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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites the podcast part of the Volume

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Speaker 1: Podcast Network. Iuy am Chad Noman or the Action Network. Today.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined as always by my co host, my companion,

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Speaker 1: Mike and Fadre my BFF professional better Simon Hunter L

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Speaker 1: saw him.

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Speaker 2: In Chad right Now hot topic in Philly because of

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Speaker 2: Sakuon Barkley. He said the Eagles were that pass. The

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Speaker 2: Eagles team was a top five Eagles or just team

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Speaker 2: ever to win a Super Bowl. In the list, Chad,

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Speaker 2: you're nineteen eighty five Bears, which I thought was respect to, uh,

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Speaker 2: one of the greater teams. I didn't think Saquon would

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Speaker 2: know about the nineteen eighty five Bears. So yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: it's it's a hot topic, and so you know where

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Speaker 2: I'm coming from that, I you know, I respect that

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Speaker 2: Bears team, but I'm obviously gonna put my own Eagles

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Speaker 2: team above that team.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's.

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Speaker 2: Fun debating super Bowl winners, obviously, but it's funny enough

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Speaker 2: that young people even and talk about the nineteen eighty

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Speaker 2: five Bears.

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Speaker 3: It's not just Chicago people listen that.

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Speaker 1: Eighty five Bears team. If you're in a football fan,

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Speaker 1: it's one of the most prominent franchise sort of markers

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Speaker 1: for any fan, Like it's discussed in any conversation about

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Speaker 1: greatest all time teams because their defense was so dominant

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Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl Shuffle, they had so much personality.

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Speaker 3: I think it's all the nicknames.

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Speaker 2: You got the refrigerator berry, you got sweetness in the backfield.

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Speaker 2: It's it feels like they just had the right time

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Speaker 2: of like the group of characters with a great defense,

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Speaker 2: with a great head coach, and you know it just

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Speaker 2: goes together right, eighty five Bears.

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Speaker 3: It just sounds like it's meant to.

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Speaker 1: Be that team. Also, Jimbo Covert left tackle, Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 1: Walcom Payton running back, Hall of Fame, Mike Dicka head coach,

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, Jim Finks GM Hall of Fame, Dan

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Speaker 1: Hampton defensive end, defensive tackle, Hall of Fame, Richard Dent

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Speaker 1: defensive end, Hall of Fame, Steve McMichael defensive tackle, Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame, Mike Singletary linebacker, Hall of Fame. Like that

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Speaker 1: team literally had seven Hall of Fame players and executives

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Speaker 1: and coaches, like other than the Steelers, there's no other

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Speaker 1: team that can match that. The eighty four Niners can't

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Speaker 1: match that you talk about.

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Speaker 3: None of those Dallas teams of the nineties had that

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Speaker 3: many Hall of Famers.

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Speaker 1: Troy Aikman, EMITTT Smith, Michael Irvin. I don't know that

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Speaker 1: they had. We'd have to look it up. But like

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Speaker 1: the Patriots, you know, they didn't have that many Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famers. No, the Eagles, how many Hall of Famers

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Speaker 1: will they have? Like that, Bear's team was dominant. The

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Speaker 1: only failing of that Bears team is that they didn't

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Speaker 1: win more Super Bowls, and that was because Buddy Ryan

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Speaker 1: couldn't get along with Mike Dicka. He decided to leave.

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Speaker 1: The defense was never as aggressive after that. They were

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Speaker 1: upset in multiple playoffs two years in a row. Like

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Speaker 1: it just it, It was a It was a beautiful,

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Speaker 1: gorgeous lightning bug of a team.

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Speaker 3: Once again. Though I cannot believe that Saeque had him

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Speaker 3: in his top five.

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Speaker 2: I just I just thought, respect the saquon the kids

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Speaker 2: under thirty, the fact that he knows his football history

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Speaker 2: like that, I just knew you would love that. Where

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Speaker 2: you know, as an Egos bias fan, I was just like,

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Speaker 2: I can't believe this kid went back that far.

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Speaker 3: I did not think Seque had that in his bag,

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Speaker 2: List, I think it was like it was that Dallas team,

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Speaker 2: that Patriots team.

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Speaker 3: What was it? I think Patriots won in seven? Or

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Speaker 3: was that the undefeated was nine?

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Speaker 2: I think But and then you know, the big debate

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Speaker 2: with him the other guys he was on the show

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Speaker 2: with was just talking about these Chiefs teams like of

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Speaker 2: the past where it's like no one views them as

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Speaker 2: the greatest team, right even though they almost won three

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Speaker 2: where you know, that's just you know, a kid like

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Speaker 2: him talking about it when we set him and all

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Speaker 2: my view of it.

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Speaker 3: The Eagles team, you know.

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Speaker 2: It's always the future as we move on bigger, faster, stronger.

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Speaker 2: We always talk about that, how it changes things this

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Speaker 2: Eagles team. I would love I'm gonna probably do it

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Speaker 2: this offseason because I have so much free time. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna definitely simulate it and just see what these two

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Speaker 2: teams would do against eighty five Bears against the Eagles.

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Speaker 2: I would love to know what that spread would be.

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Speaker 2: Well see, maybe I'll do a conferent action first one

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Speaker 2: in forever about all these past Super Bowl teams, but

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Speaker 2: you know this Eagles team igraded them out.

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Speaker 3: I told you I had got lower grade on them.

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Speaker 2: Than that Ravens team that lost lash two years ago

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Speaker 2: to the Chiefs. So it's funny where it's an all

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Speaker 2: time great team to our perspective because they just you know,

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Speaker 2: have scored the most points.

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Speaker 3: Of playoff history.

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Speaker 2: But it'll be interesting what the data says, because I

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Speaker 2: think it's going to say otherwise.

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Speaker 1: Bok Simon. That is one hundred percent a podcast. And

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Speaker 1: if you think we're not doing that as we get

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Speaker 1: closer into the summer to fill one of the episodes,

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Speaker 1: you're freaking crazy. And you and I are going to

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Speaker 1: be together and we're going to talk about the other

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Speaker 1: teams on that list for a good time and we'll

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Speaker 1: simulate who's going to be favored and how that game

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Speaker 1: would have played out. The other Hall of famers on

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Speaker 1: that Cowboys team, Aikman, Dion, EMMITTT Smith, Michael Irvin, Larry Allen,

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Speaker 1: Charles Haley, plus Jimmy Johnson. Look, I think the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: The last thing we'll say about this before we bring

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Speaker 1: in our guests. I think The Chiefs are going to

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Speaker 1: have Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce, Chris Jones, they might have

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Speaker 1: Joe Tooney, They're gonna have Spagnolo. I think they're gonna

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Speaker 1: have Andy Reid. They're going to go down when you

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Speaker 1: look back as one of the most talented Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame teams for sure. And I think they'll be up

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Speaker 1: there with the Steelers, the Bears, these Cowboys fascinating topic

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Speaker 1: and good for Saquon, Good for Sakue for affecting the

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Speaker 1: old gees. We are joined today speaking of an og

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Speaker 1: our longtime colleague, one of the most opinionated people at

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Speaker 1: Action Network. You can hear him during the NBA Playoffs

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Speaker 1: and Our Buckets podcast and every week during the NFL

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Speaker 1: season as co host of the Action Network podcast. His

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Speaker 1: hot reads on the Action Network podcast Sunday Night episode

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Speaker 1: with Evan Abrams are in valuable. Welcome back to the show,

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Speaker 1: bran Din.

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Speaker 4: And der So, it's good to be here, guys. I

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Speaker 4: didn't know we were doing some herschel Walcke a talk today.

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Speaker 4: Herschel Walker basically funded the entire Jerry Jones Cowboys Hall

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Speaker 4: of Famers. Probably like the best thing the Vikings I've

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Speaker 4: ever accomplished as a franchise, so you know, repping my

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Speaker 4: home teams here. Good time to be a Minso sports

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Speaker 4: fan as allus.

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Speaker 1: Brandon, I don't know the answer to this question. I

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Speaker 1: feel a little bit like a lawyer who is being

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Speaker 1: told to ask a question and he doesn't know the answer,

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Speaker 1: and that's always dangerous. But Matt Mitchell has told me

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Speaker 1: I have to ask what is happening at your house

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Speaker 1: right now? And I'm assuming Matt knows that the rest

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Speaker 1: of our audience is going to be tickled by what's happening.

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Speaker 5: In your house.

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Speaker 4: Man, my house is a disaster. So about a month ago,

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Speaker 4: I get a call from my landlord at like seven am.

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Speaker 4: So I'm renting a townhouse. There's four townhouses are all together,

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Speaker 4: we got like the shared four corners. And I get

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Speaker 4: get downstairs, find out if you have water coming in.

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Speaker 4: The neighbors have called and complained they're getting water. It's

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Speaker 4: from your house. So I go down. I look, there's

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Speaker 4: no water. There's nothing happening. There's no water anywhere. Nothing's

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Speaker 4: guy coming out. We got like people coming out checking

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Speaker 4: out checking underneath the house, like they're sonar ring down

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Speaker 4: underneath my house. They're finding nothing. In the meantime, I'm like, guys,

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Speaker 4: there are four houses. We share a corner where you

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Speaker 4: think the waters from check the other two houses. No, no, no,

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Speaker 4: it's your house. Finally, a full week later, we find

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Speaker 5: It's one of the other two houses.

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Speaker 4: They're water heater busted and it's just been slowly leaking

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Speaker 4: water in the meantime because of that, water has been

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Speaker 4: didn't really get like standing water. But it turns out

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Speaker 4: water being in your house for a week is real

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Speaker 4: bad for your house. So since then they came in,

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Speaker 4: just my house. This is what's happening for a month

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Speaker 4: it's been a month. This is where I live. This,

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Speaker 4: this is this is my life now.

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Speaker 1: That is terrible.

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Speaker 4: But by the way, by the way, the two feet

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Speaker 3: Me and my neighbors.

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Speaker 4: I get their mills, I get their sounds, I watch

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Speaker 4: their TV shows. I'm getting everything from that. Can like

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Speaker 1: What else is going on in those houses?

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Speaker 5: Ah, it's a mess.

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Speaker 1: Signing as a as a real estate owner. This sounds

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Speaker 2: It does and I would just be happy that he's

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Speaker 2: not suing me. I feel like this is like the

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Speaker 2: grounds determination. This guy has broken your contract in many

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Speaker 2: different ways. But yeah, this the party stick out to me.

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Speaker 2: You says can be done July, just in time for

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Speaker 3: I know, like it's ridiculous. No, you're you're a trooper.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: I'd be losing my shit, but you know that's this

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Speaker 2: is part of life. This is why as someone that

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Speaker 2: has been a renter and rented, this is the greatest fear.

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Speaker 2: Is exactly what he's explaining here, which is just all

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Speaker 2: shit going wrong and then just falls on you and

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Speaker 2: you have.

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Speaker 3: No other options. But I mean, I feel bad for you, brother.

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Speaker 4: Well you know how it goes too, Like my landlord's

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Speaker 4: So I can't even contact the landlord. Their contact with

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Speaker 5: That's all is the time, all right?

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Speaker 1: Can we get down to business please, because as terrible

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Speaker 1: to play a game. Okay. We all love betting MVPs. Brandon,

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Speaker 1: you specifically love betting MVP. You just nailed the NBA

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Speaker 1: MVP shake Gildes Alexander. You had him at six to

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Speaker 1: two round draft. You can't draft any one twenty to

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Speaker 1: and Justin Herbert. They're all between five to one and

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Speaker 1: So we've got CJ Strad, We've got Jared Goff, We've

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go brock Perdy thirty five

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Speaker 1: twenty five to one to win the Super Bowl. And

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Speaker 1: I think last year was so bad and such an

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Speaker 1: probably half a decade because they haven't made it to

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Speaker 2: Rock Party off the board. I'm gonna go with Chattery

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Speaker 2: knows all this. I'm on the Cowboys. How am I

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Speaker 2: not going to DAK forty five to one? My view

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Speaker 3: You know, the fact that they went out got a

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Speaker 2: They know the deal, right you're in the division right

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Speaker 2: perfect spot to back deck a guy who's coming off

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Speaker 2: that he's basically left for dead. I mean, though shocked

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Speaker 3: So I like that value here on.

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Speaker 1: DAK, that was gonna be my second pick Brandon.

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Speaker 4: So those were my two pecks two years ago. That

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Speaker 4: I think a problem with both of them. You often

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Speaker 4: thought had a real case to win. You often if

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Speaker 4: You have one shot at it with that one great year.

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Speaker 4: I fear with Dak and maybe Purty that they maybe

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Speaker 5: You mentioned Evan.

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Speaker 4: Evan had the stat that in the NBA, the last

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Speaker 4: three MVPs Shagist, Alexander, Jokic, and Embiid all three were

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Speaker 5: In the NFL.

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Speaker 4: The reason I want to do this draft is because

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Speaker 4: we often have longer number MVPs. Seven of the last

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Speaker 4: ten MVPs have been at eleven hundred or longer heading

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Speaker 4: We're not gonna give you short odds. We're not gonna

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Speaker 4: give you like a two thousand and one Mahomes or whatever.

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Speaker 4: If that's who you want, that's who you want. But

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Speaker 4: Lamar wanted at sixteen to one. Matt Ryan was seventy

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Speaker 4: Lamar was forty to one his first time.

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Speaker 5: So that's why.

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Speaker 4: We like the long shots. I'm interested by Dak and

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Speaker 4: by Purty. I'm understanding the forty nine ers For my

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Speaker 5: Surprise myself a little bit. Actually, I don't.

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Speaker 4: Really love this team or player, but I like the number,

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Speaker 4: and I like I don't mind betting on being wrong sometimes.

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Speaker 4: And if I'm wrong, how would I be wrong? Could

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Speaker 4: it be this version? I've not been in on the rams.

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Speaker 4: think it was a really interesting MVP pick. Davante Adams

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Speaker 4: we're all going to have that conversation if he's having

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Speaker 5: So he's my first pick. I surprise myself.

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Speaker 1: I gotta say I love that one too. Simon. We also,

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but like my two futures

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Speaker 1: don't have any issue with what Brandon is saying about Stafford.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the first team I think a position

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Speaker 2: I love the pick too because I think Stafford was

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Speaker 2: it was ailing him. You saw just a different Stafford

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Speaker 2: after that Bills game. Right, that game with their offense

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Speaker 2: So my view of this is the same as what

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Speaker 2: has the weapons coming off what I perceived as a

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Speaker 3: Fifty to one. I'd take that anytime on a guy

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Speaker 1: All Right, my second pick.

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Speaker 3: Wait, doesn't he doesn't he get back to back?

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Speaker 1: Are we not doing so let's saying that Brandon's going

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Speaker 1: last every time? Not doing it. We're not doing a

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Speaker 1: snake draft. Start my second pick. I am gonna go

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Speaker 1: with Trevor Lawrence fifty to one. I don't I don't know.

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Speaker 5: That was next pick from me.

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Speaker 4: I should I should have gone.

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Speaker 1: I don't love Trevor Lawrence. He hasn't lived up to expectations.

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Speaker 1: But given the division, given the coaching changes, given the

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Speaker 1: he's going to be in a position he'll have a

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Speaker 1: I'll take trem Lawrence.

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Speaker 3: It gets gross once you start getting down here, so

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Speaker 3: I get really, I just I'm so burned by him

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Speaker 2: I just need to see him have a full season

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Speaker 2: healthy and you know, be competible in an offense. Because

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Speaker 2: it sounds crazy, but Mac Jones came in and Brian

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Speaker 2: Thompson Junior played better, and that team looked like they

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Speaker 2: played better. So that's not you don't want me to

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Speaker 2: be in the same mindset of saying Mac Jones came

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Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence, this is a massive, massive year, and he's

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Speaker 2: a quarterback who's very lucky that they are playing in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: If he played in any type of other big market,

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Speaker 2: big year upcoming for Jacksonville and Trevor Lawrence. My pick, Chad,

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Speaker 2: I feel like Brandon talked about it a little bit.

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Speaker 2: It's that year two quarterback, right, That's where you get

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Speaker 2: these crazy long shide values, Like one of my best

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Speaker 2: bets in my career, Mahomes fifty to one. The next

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Speaker 2: getting really good long shot odds before the public and

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Speaker 2: It's hard to imagine any of these quarterbacks being like

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Speaker 2: to take that next step I can't do it. The

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Speaker 2: Is bon Knicks. I bet this one. He was one

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Speaker 2: hundred to one, down to eighty to one. Now he's

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Speaker 2: seventy five to one. It's just really about Sean Payton

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Speaker 2: is an offense that runs through him. This kid throws

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Speaker 2: that team somehow wins the division, first time someone outside

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs wins that division. Bo next to me could

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Speaker 2: easily win this award, Like he has all the tools,

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Speaker 2: has the coaching staff. It's just do we really believe

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Speaker 2: in bon Nicks? Was last year simply a fluke?

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Speaker 2: Literally the peak of bon Knicks was what we saw

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Speaker 2: last year? Yeah, that's a risk, but at seventy five

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Speaker 2: I like those long shot odds on a year two

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Speaker 2: next step and everything you've seen this offseason, him working

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Speaker 2: there laid out. Is it a flash in the pan

436
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Speaker 2: from last season? I don't know, Cheb, but I like

437
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Speaker 2: that number. Seventy five to one.

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Speaker 1: Two other quarterbacks in his division have odds between five

439
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Speaker 1: to one and twenty to one, so he will have

440
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Speaker 1: to exceed the preseason expectations of two other quarterbacks, Patrick

441
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 1: Mahomes and Justin Herbert Brandon your last choice for MVP.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I looked at those sophomore quarterbacks too. We obviously

443
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Speaker 4: have the six guys drafted last year. JJ McCarthy is

444
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Speaker 4: not a sophomore quarterback. He's basically a rookie, but in

445
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Speaker 4: a good position if Minnesota wins. Well, again, we saw

446
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Speaker 4: Darnold kind of get like the I don't know to.

447
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Speaker 5: See in the conversation.

448
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Speaker 4: No, he was not, but if you're being talked about

449
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Speaker 4: in the conversation, maybe I could see Panics maybe get

450
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 4: into that spot. Drake London, Kyle Pitts, Bijon Robinson, and

451
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 4: again similar to your Trevor Lawrence pick Chad soft division,

452
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 4: very winnable division, very good chance to get to twelve

453
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Speaker 4: thirteen wins. If things go, well there, Drake may that

454
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Speaker 4: was my favorite quarterback of the choices last year. I

455
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Speaker 4: like a lot of the Patriots, we'll talk about them

456
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 4: in a second. Lawrence was who I was hoping to

457
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Speaker 4: take here. So I love that pick. I think that's

458
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Speaker 4: as much a pick on Liam Cohen as it is

459
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Speaker 4: on Trevor Lawrence. Bringing in the coach that last year

460
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Speaker 4: got Baker Mayfield to forty five hundred yards and forty

461
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Speaker 4: one touchdowns. If Trevor Lawrence does that and then they

462
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Speaker 4: win the division and get in contention, he's going to

463
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Speaker 4: get that Golden Boy bump into the MVP conversation. All right,

464
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Speaker 4: I'm trying to decide if I want to make like

465
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Speaker 4: a realistic long shot pick or just a long shot

466
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Speaker 4: long shot pick, and I'm last I'm doing both. Okay,

467
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Speaker 4: Caler Murray, that's my pick. Caller Murray is fifty to one.

468
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Speaker 4: This is my more realistic one. Kyler's been in the

469
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Speaker 4: MVP conversation at the midpoint of the season, like two

470
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Speaker 4: previous times. He's just tiny and then he gets hurt

471
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Speaker 4: and then that's it. But we've just been watching Lamar

472
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Speaker 4: Jackson the last couple of years do the thing where

473
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Speaker 4: you get the highlight reel runs, you make the crazy

474
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Speaker 4: you know plays very like TikTok generation sort of thing.

475
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Speaker 4: Just gave me the three or four big plays of

476
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Speaker 4: the game and grab my attention. Kyler's always going to

477
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Speaker 4: have that. You now have back to back years tat

478
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 4: McMillan with Marvin Harrison Junior, plus the tight end that

479
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 4: the coaching staff is young, but the team has been

480
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 4: slowly rounding in the form. I'll admit what I don't

481
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Speaker 4: love here is it's a tough path to win a

482
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Speaker 4: lot of games. You gotta win a lot of games

483
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Speaker 4: win MVP, and I don't know if I trust the

484
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Speaker 4: defense yet.

485
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Speaker 3: And we've been.

486
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Speaker 4: Talking about multiple teams in that division already, so that's

487
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Speaker 4: not great. I would love Kyler Murray better if it

488
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Speaker 4: was in a more winnable division. But four thousand yards,

489
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Speaker 4: twenty five scores, five six seven hund rushing yards and

490
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Speaker 4: some scores and those highlight plays, the scramble around makes

491
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Speaker 4: something out of nothing. That's the plane. Speaking of which

492
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Speaker 4: similar style player, Chad, You're either gonna love this and

493
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Speaker 4: bett it immediately or absolutely hate it and kick me

494
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Speaker 4: off the podcast. I'm going off the board two hundred

495
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Speaker 4: and fifty to one for a starting quarterback in the

496
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Speaker 4: NFL named Justin Fields. Justin Fields of the New York

497
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Speaker 4: Football Jets, there is your Lamar Jackson long shot. If

498
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Speaker 4: he starts all year and stays healthy, that's the key.

499
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Speaker 4: He could get a thousand yards rushing. He probably will

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Speaker 4: get a thousand yards rushing and ten scores. We've seen

501
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Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson, We've seen Cam Newton probably a more a

502
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 4: better candidate for Justin the Fields running quarterbacks in quarters

503
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 4: sort of sprak the MVP formula. I like what the

504
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Speaker 4: Jets did bringing in Aaron Glenn, bringing a new coaching

505
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 4: staff they believe in. There's a lot of talent on defense.

506
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Speaker 4: Glenn can get them back in the right track. There's

507
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Speaker 4: Garrett Wilson and Bresee Hall on offense, throw weapons. They've

508
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Speaker 4: invested a lot in the offensive line. I think Fields

509
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 4: is an interesting flyer for the team that probably is

510
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Speaker 4: going to go very terribly. Probably this will go in

511
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Speaker 4: your MVP portfolio and you'll be like, man, I can't

512
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Speaker 4: believe I made that stupid bet, But just in case,

513
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 4: that's what I thought. Three years ago. I bet Trey

514
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Speaker 4: Lance because I just wanted any Shanahan quarterback fifty to one.

515
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Speaker 4: And not only did Trey Lance not win MVP, he

516
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Speaker 4: didn't even start. He got benched and traded and was

517
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Speaker 4: like the third string Cowboys quarterback. And it was in

518
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Speaker 4: Action app top of my list as my top future

519
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 4: as the futures guy at Action Network. But the next

520
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 4: year I went back to the well with Brock Purty

521
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 4: fifty to one. He didn't win either, but it was

522
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Speaker 4: a great pick and a great value that gave me

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Speaker 4: a lot of shots later in the season. Fields, if

524
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Speaker 4: he actually plays decently and gets his runs and gets

525
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Speaker 4: the highlights. Two hundred and fifty to one for a

526
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Speaker 4: decent NFL starting quarterback is just too long for an

527
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Speaker 4: MVP pick. We know it's a quarterback. There are only

528
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 4: thirty two of them. That's only if you count like

529
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 4: Cleveland and some of the teams that didn't even have

530
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Speaker 4: real guys. So justin Fields is the long shot of

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Speaker 4: long shots. Chad, do you love me or hate me?

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Speaker 1: You couldn't even make that whole pitch without your voice cracking,

533
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: because you know how absurd the idea really is. That

534
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: is what I think of it. I feel like whenever

535
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: water is underneath your house has slowly seeped into your

536
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: brain because it's outrageous. I do love listen. I love

537
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Speaker 1: the Stafford pick. I like the Dak pick. I like

538
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: the Prety pick. Trevor Lawrence is a fun little taste.

539
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Speaker 1: I agree with you, Simon, like I was looking at

540
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Speaker 1: the odds sort of that we have in front of

541
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Speaker 1: us here, I was debating between Drake May and bo Nix.

542
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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about some coaching changes, so I

543
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: don't want to go too too deep into Drake May,

544
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: soh feels is off the board for me. Kyleer Erray

545
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: is interesting. I just think he's not gonna be better.

546
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: His team is not gonna be better than the Niners.

547
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: They won't be better than the Rams, in my opinion.

548
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: So I'd rather invest in the other two. But I

549
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: like the conversation. That's a fun conversation. Coaching coordinator changes

550
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: this offseason, Brandon, that you think you love that have

551
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Speaker 1: the biggest impact, positively or negatively on Super Bowl future values.

552
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Speaker 1: Any way you'd like to slice it, you start.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I when I get wrapped up for the beginning

554
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 4: of the new football season, coaching and offensive line are

555
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 4: the two areas that I think are the are the

556
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 4: biggest edge. Betters can have big picture on a team

557
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 4: going into a season. Who got the big coaching change

558
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 4: that's gonna help the team? Then raise the floor or

559
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 4: raise the ceiling? Who got the trenches upgrade? And I

560
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 4: think the answer to both of those questions this year,

561
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 4: Chad is your Chicago Bears. Chicago and Ben Johnson. I

562
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 4: know it's all the hype. I know that Bears are

563
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 4: always the offseason champs. This season, I think it's actually

564
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 4: legit Ben Johnson with the culture change that he's going

565
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Speaker 4: to bring to the locker room, with the play calling.

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Speaker 4: I think with the aggression that he's going to bring

567
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Speaker 4: from the Dan Campbell Tree, I think maybe he was

568
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 4: the aggression, but it's not just Ben Johnson. And that's

569
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Speaker 4: part of the reason I love this. You never know

570
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Speaker 4: what happens when you go from like the star play

571
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 4: caller to the head coach. Dennis Allen. I love the

572
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 4: rejected failed head coach back to just humbling myself to

573
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Speaker 4: become a humble, little defensive coordinator. Again, Dennis Allen's a

574
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Speaker 4: fantastic defensive coordinator and there's talent to work with. There

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Speaker 4: I'm intrigued to I don't know a lot about Declan Doyle.

576
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Speaker 4: He's the new offensive coordinator. He was a tight ends

577
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 4: coach for Denver and the Saints before that. Tight ends

578
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Speaker 4: coach is what Ben Johnson was. We're seeing more and

579
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Speaker 4: more tight ends coaches as tight ends become versatile weapons.

580
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 4: Are you in line or are you out split out wide?

581
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Speaker 4: Are you receiving? Are you blocking? Like tight end coaches

582
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Speaker 4: are kind of touching a lot of parts of the offense,

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Speaker 4: so they bring a lot of versatility and new ideas

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Speaker 4: to an offense as well. So look, we know I

585
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 4: just said earlier, I'm a Minnesota sports fan.

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Speaker 5: I am not a Bears fan, even though.

587
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 4: I live in this area here, the area is buzzing

588
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 4: about Chicago coaching. And between that and the huge investment

589
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 4: in the offensive line and Grady jarr and the defensive line,

590
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 4: like they are pressing all my buttons.

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Speaker 5: And I don't know how. I know.

592
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Speaker 4: The schedule is daunting, the road schedule, oh my goodness,

593
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 4: Like you can't really make it much harder than that.

594
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 4: But Chicago's coaching and investment in the line, I don't

595
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Speaker 4: know how I cannot be in on this team going ahead.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday I got a text from you know. I've got

597
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Speaker 1: my Chicago text chain, and the text yesterday was the

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00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:06,479
Speaker 1: anatomy of the Bears season, which starts with your fans

599
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: are excited for the season, season ends in disaster, fans

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00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: sad and depressed. Off season hype videos. So we are

601
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: in the middle of the off season hype video fans

602
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: excited for the season phase Brandon from your mouth to

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Speaker 1: God's ear, like, let's let's make it happen. And by

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00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: the way, Chicago's got a direct pipeline to God right now,

605
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: so we should definitely, should definitely be taking advantage of that.

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Speaker 1: There's a great story, I think in the New York

607
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: Times today about how long can Chicago hype for the

608
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Speaker 1: Pope last? So we're already getting to the point where

609
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: we know the hype for the Pope in Chicago is

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00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 1: not going to last, so we might as well use

611
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Speaker 1: it for all we can and try to get as

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Speaker 1: many prayers in for the Bears before everyone has the

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00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: Pope backlash. Simon coaching change coaching, coaching that are positive, negative,

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Speaker 1: impacting future odds for you.

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Speaker 2: First, I want to know how terrified you were when

616
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: there feels like there's only one reporter left in this

617
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: whole entire world. It happens to be your boy, Seth.

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Speaker 2: Were you terrified when he texted you, Hey, doing a

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Speaker 2: story on the Bears?

620
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 3: You're like, holy shit, this is bad.

621
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Speaker 2: You do not want him going around your team, So, likeily,

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Speaker 2: I imagine that conversation.

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Speaker 1: Look, we're gonna have Seth on the show to talk

624
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Speaker 1: about his book for those For those who don't know,

625
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Speaker 1: Simon is talking about Seth Wickersham, who's one of my

626
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: closest friends, and he has a book coming out in

627
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Speaker 1: the fall in September called American King, The Biography of

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Speaker 1: a Quarterback. I've read it. It's brilliant. It's so brilliant that,

629
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Speaker 1: like it is sent me into a six week spiral

630
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Speaker 1: about the book I'm working on and how can I

631
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Speaker 1: make it as good as Seth's. I swear to god,

632
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: we've been talking about this. It's so freaking good. And

633
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: he's with Caleb Williams in his pre draft process, and

634
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: then during his season with the Bears, he goes in

635
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: detail with John Elway, Steve Young, Warren Moon, he goes

636
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: back to Wayie Tittle like it is, it is an

637
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Speaker 1: amazing book, and I hope everyone buys it and he

638
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: will come out and talk about the book.

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Speaker 5: Simon.

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Speaker 1: I knew about this already, because you know, Seth had

641
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Speaker 1: been telling me about the book for three years. We

642
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: had had lunched many many times where he told me

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Speaker 1: what he had on Caleb Williams. That the news came

644
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: out last week from Seth that Caleb wasn't watching film

645
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: with Shane Waldron, wasn't getting direction, had really connected with

646
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Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell from the Vikings, was hoping to get drafted

647
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Speaker 1: by the Vikings. Caleb's dad was trying to pull sort

648
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Speaker 1: of an Archie Manning and get his get the Bears

649
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: to not draft Caleb Williams and get him drafted by

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Speaker 1: somebody else. This week, Ben Johnson acknowledged all that, said,

651
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: we don't mind that reputation. This is what we're here

652
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: to turn around. I thought he handled it great. Caleb

653
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: hasn't said anything about it. Seth blew up last week.

654
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: He and I were on the phone when he was

655
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: in the middle of Allah's media stuff. I was in Lexington, Kentucky.

656
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 1: It's great, It's totally great. I got a text from

657
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: my son when I was on the road because all

658
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: this was breaking when I was on the road, and

659
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: who obviously he knows Seth very very well. The text

660
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: was this shit from Seth is so fucking annoying. All

661
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: I'm getting is Caleb Williams hates the Bears in my timeline.

662
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: So that's how it landed in my house as a

663
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: bear stand.

664
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 2: And I'm the other way where it made me so happy,

665
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: where it's like we all knew something was holding back

666
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams last year, and when you go through the

667
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 2: numbers and just going through last season, it's incredible what

668
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 2: he did. And that's why I'm still well. I still

669
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: hasn't have not mud, still have him above Jane Daniels,

670
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: and I'm still very excited. And I know that to

671
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 2: me the slam dung higher of the offseason. It's what

672
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: we just said, it's Ben Johnson, right, Like the fact

673
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: that he has him now it changes everything and you know,

674
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: for me, minds me a little more boring, and that's

675
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: how I like it.

676
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 3: Here.

677
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: It's gotta be Brian Schottenheira, like, I love everything about

678
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: this move for Dallas because he is what people view

679
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: as Jerry's lap dog and the disrespect he got from

680
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: that hire. Even Jerry disrespected in his hiring process.

681
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 3: What do you call him? The basically called him like

682
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 3: he was never the coach.

683
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: Now he is the coach, and he's the cheap version

684
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 1: of Mike McCarthy.

685
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: Yes, and I view this as a net positive because

686
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 2: nothing's really gonna change much there. Their offense is going

687
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: to be the exact same. But now we have a

688
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 2: guy that to me is already being doubted by the public.

689
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 2: And you mean, I mean Chad me and you made

690
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: that joke instantly. I can't wait to better this guy

691
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: in the regular season. The playoffs, he just gonna be like

692
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 2: his daddy, Like, that's when we're gonna fade this kid

693
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: when he gets the playoffs. So the jokes are already there.

694
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: But to me, the team that jumps out to me

695
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: is a guy that you know I talk all the

696
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: time as an Eagles fan. I've hate a lot of

697
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 2: our hires the past, one Nick Siriani, who just won

698
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: me a super Bowl. You want to head you want

699
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: to hate your head coach. That's the best outcome for

700
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: most of these teams, For Dallas and their fan base,

701
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,959
Speaker 2: I think this is perfect. No one likes the Brian

702
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: Scheiner seat and I are hire they're being doubted. We

703
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: talked like, I'm I'm all in on this team. That

704
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 2: one jumped out to me though, of just Dak gonna

705
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: be comfortable in this offense. Still, the fact that this

706
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 2: guy is kind of being bashed on by the media.

707
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: Those tends to be the coaches that work out, not

708
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 2: the guys that we all love and a door coming

709
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 2: to the season.

710
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: Guys, the answer is, Robert Salah to the Etransisco forty

711
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: nine ers. As much as I love Ben Johnson and

712
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: believe me like I'm all in on Ben Johnson and

713
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, I think the division is terribly hard. I'm

714
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: not quite sure the defense is good enough.

715
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 3: Yet.

716
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: I think they're schedule is just a tragedy and the

717
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: NFL should have thought harder. If they're going to put

718
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: their highest profile new hire with a transcendent, potentially talent

719
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: at quarterback, give him a freaking break in the schedule.

720
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: Robert Sala going back to that defense after the just

721
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 1: mess that was the New York Jets, feeling liberated from

722
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: the New York media, from the Johnson family, from the

723
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: quarterback drama, that defense when Robert Sala was coaching, that

724
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: defense for the Jets was elite. We saw how bad

725
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: they got after he left, and he was doing that

726
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: with every obstacle. He was handcuffed by this team. He

727
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: gets to go back to San Francisco with a talented

728
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: defense and a coach who will trust in him implicitly,

729
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: and a lot of guys on that team who remember

730
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: what it was like when he was there, and he

731
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: was so freaking good and so smart, and the way

732
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: he was so intense on that sideline. He got to

733
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: be himself as a defensive coroner. He couldn't do that

734
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: as a head coach with the Jets. Give me Robert

735
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: Sala San Francisco, forty niners. You guys shake their heads.

736
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was my second pick as well, and frankly,

737
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 4: it's a one be more than a number two. We

738
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 4: talked about this just before we started the show. San

739
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 4: Francisco is my very first bet of the new NFL

740
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 4: season to win the Super Bowl next year. I know

741
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 4: you guys are in on them as well. We forget

742
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 4: because it's been a few years now. Number One, the

743
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 4: Jets defense just last year was great with Robert Sala

744
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 4: then they got rid of him and it fell completely

745
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 4: off a cliff. But he was that good for them

746
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 4: before that.

747
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 5: Though.

748
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 4: The thing we forget, as much as we give Kyle

749
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 4: Shanahan credit and as good as the offense, Ala says,

750
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 4: their defense actually ranked higher than the offense in the

751
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 4: years that Sala was there. And it's not like the

752
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 4: offense was bad. That's just how great, how elite the

753
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 4: defense was. So you're right, it's not the same names anymore,

754
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 4: but there's still a lot of talent there. They lost

755
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 4: a ton, a ton of injury games last year, so

756
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 4: just getting back healthy, I think they to me remind

757
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 4: me that the reason I picked them was I alway

758
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 4: was due in like January. Okay, who will be next

759
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 4: year's what's the team where it's hot right now? Who's

760
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 4: next year's Commanders? Who is next year's Eagles? That sort

761
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 4: of thing. I think that the Miners are next year's Eagles.

762
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 4: I think getting that new voice in to lead the defense,

763
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 4: a new old voice in their case, just like the

764
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 4: Eagles did, and then getting healthy again and a team

765
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 4: that just the stock is too low because of the

766
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 4: way the season ended, just like the Eagles had the

767
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 4: previous year where the Eagles remember fell apart and we

768
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 4: didn't even know we're going to keep next year Yanni,

769
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 4: You're going to fire him, And we even't got that.

770
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 5: A little bit into the season.

771
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 4: It was two and two starting out, I think, and

772
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 4: we didn't know if they're going to be any good.

773
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 4: They got to that bye a week and everything is

774
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 4: clicked in the place, and off they went. Obviously, McCaffrey

775
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 4: was out last season. That's the Saquon Barkley of the team.

776
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 4: Getting him back. We say running backs don't matter, but

777
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 4: a couple of them really do matter and change everything

778
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 4: about an offense getting him back in there, getting Trent

779
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 4: Williams back healthy on the line. I'm not worried about

780
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 4: losing Deebo Samuel. They've got plenty of other options. They

781
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 4: were preparing for that anyway. I think San Francisco to

782
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 4: me is a co favorite in the NFC.

783
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 5: Like I don't even think that they are a sleeper.

784
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 4: I would just put them with Philadelphia and a head

785
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 4: of Detroit or other teams in the NFC. So I

786
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 4: think the revamp defense, the renewed defense is big there.

787
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 4: I really like Clint Kubiak, the offensive coordinator, hired in Seattle.

788
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 4: I wanted to be excited about them with him and

789
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 4: with Mike McDonald, and then they were like, yeah, but

790
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 4: we're not really sure we're doing. Goodbye Gino and goodbye DK.

791
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 4: That was my other Super Bowl bet. I'm already just

792
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 4: kind of counting that ticket as a loss because I

793
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 4: don't know what's happening. They decided they're in transition when

794
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 4: I thought that they had a possible contender there, but

795
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 4: to my San Francisco pick, to our San Francisco pick.

796
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 4: The one thing I did love about it was that

797
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 4: I really like Seattle right there in the division. So okay, well,

798
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 4: Seattle's worst. I guess San Francisco gave a couple easier

799
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 4: wins in the division maybe as well. So those were

800
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 4: the coordinator names that really caught my eye. That the

801
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 4: coaching names, Simon, I guess I'm proving your point. I

802
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 4: did not like Brian Schottenheimer or Matt Eberflus. I know,

803
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 4: I like the rehire of the defense. These just feel

804
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 4: like kind of retread names that gave up in the cycle.

805
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 4: But that's your point, that's the narrative thing. And it

806
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 4: is a little crazy that Dak is forty five to

807
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 4: one MVP, as good as he is, as good a

808
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 4: weapons as they have with George Pickens now. So yeah,

809
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 4: I think what you said is interesting. We'll have to

810
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 4: kind of rethink the narrative because it does feel like

811
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 4: a very low spot on perception on the Cowboys.

812
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would just say too, the forty nine ers.

813
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 2: The biggest thing, My biggest worry is.

814
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 3: The Eagles nailed the fucking draft like they nailed the draft.

815
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 2: So to me, the forty nine ers, that's been the

816
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: kind of the Achilles heel these last couple years is

817
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: Lynch has not been nailing the draft like he was

818
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: in the early twenty twenties, right, And for a team

819
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: like them that have to.

820
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 3: Pay these top talent guys, you have to nail the draft.

821
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 2: So I'm really excited to see what's all I can

822
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: do with these young guys, especially the secondary that they

823
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: have in San Francisco. So I'm right there with you,

824
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: my I mean, we got to talk about it, right.

825
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 2: The best, the best coaching higher to me, is up

826
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 2: in New England, a guy we all love, is it not?

827
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 3: What do you say, Chad?

828
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, like I just asked you who the

829
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: best coaching Hier was. He gave me ten minutes on

830
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: Brian fucking Schottenheimer. And now at the end of this

831
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: we're going to Mike Vrabel. Of course, Mike Vrabel is

832
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 1: a better higher than Brian Schottenheimer.

833
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:42,959
Speaker 5: I'm true.

834
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: Like I'm just thinking, like, do I think Robert sala

835
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: is a better piece to get the forty nine ers

836
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 1: over the top and make them more of a Super

837
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: Bowl contender? Do I think Mike Vrabel is making the

838
00:42:55,040 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: Patriots a super Bowl contender right now? Maybe?

839
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 3: There you go, that's right.

840
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: That's why I just think he can change the whole culture.

841
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: So that's why I love it so much.

842
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: Where it's like he got first over Brian Schottenheimer.

843
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 2: No, because the Brian shine he was so ever left field.

844
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 2: People knew the Vrabel conversation was coming because you teased

845
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: the earlier. So I didn't want to start with him

846
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: just because people knew it was coming. But it's uh,

847
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: it's the move that just jumped out to both of us.

848
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 2: We loved it so much, you know, my sick mind,

849
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 2: I was thinking of all the ways we could get

850
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: rid of Sirianni. After that Week four when we were

851
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: two and two. I was like, oh my god, fire,

852
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: this motherfucker. Bring me in Vrabel, give me Vrabel right now.

853
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: We'll win a super Bowl this season. Nah, I'm sorry,

854
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: Nick Sirianni. You're you're the man, uh the Rael.

855
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: Well here's the thing, though, here's the thing right now,

856
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: If you could have Mike Rabel for the next five

857
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: years or Nick Sirianni for the next five bye.

858
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 3: So I don't like I don't like Sirianne as a person.

859
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 3: That's my issue.

860
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 2: So I can't the blinds are too blurred, like he

861
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 2: with that whole thing. We talked shit to Eagles fans

862
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 2: and then rather than owning up to it at the

863
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 2: press conference, he brought his kids out chet.

864
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 3: I was out forever. He just that totally rubbed me

865
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 3: the wrong way.

866
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: And I respect him as a coach and as a

867
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: man obviously, but as just a general person, I just

868
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 2: do not like him as Rabel. As a general person,

869
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: I'd be boys with Rabel. I'd pack a dip dip

870
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: lip with Rabel. Rabel is that man, that dude. He's

871
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: a man's man. And like the fact that you know,

872
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: this offensive lineman they drafted was a Will Howard that

873
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 2: he was blocking with him, like getting a feel for him,

874
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: see how he could work his hands in his body.

875
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: Oh I love that. Yeah, Like that's the stupid ship.

876
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: As a football fan, I just love to hear. So

877
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: you know that one jumps out right away where it's

878
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: like he can come in put his identity in this team.

879
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 2: Like you just said, Chad, they probably won't win this year, right,

880
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 2: we all agree Drake May is a ton of talent.

881
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 2: He would have to take an insane jump in year

882
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: two because they just don't have the weapons on the

883
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: outside in my opinion to really factor into that that

884
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: division with the Bills. But crazier things have happened, right,

885
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: so you know Vrabel, to me, that's that's the higher

886
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,479
Speaker 2: that Newland kept. I feel like they're doing everything wrong

887
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: after the Brady air, this feels like the first of

888
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: two first right moves right, taking Drake May, then following

889
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: up getting Rable the next year. So I mean as

890
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: Anderson's take on it, because you know, I think you

891
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: like Rabel as well, but not too many of us

892
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 2: hate a guy who wins us tons of money every time.

893
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 3: He's an underdog is a better that's right?

894
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he's such an overachiever. So I'm of

895
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 4: two minds on it. I think here's what I want

896
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 4: from Mike Brabel. I would love to hire Mike Rabel

897
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 4: as the head coach on a three year deal, and

898
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 4: then you have to leave and go to a different

899
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 4: team because I think he is a floor raiser, but

900
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 4: I do not think he is a ceiling raiser.

901
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 3: Interesting.

902
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 5: I think Rabel is the guy you.

903
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 4: Want to bring in, like he bring him in to

904
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 4: remake your restaurant and your business and get that everything going.

905
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 4: But then you need Sirianni to get the super Bowl

906
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 4: after that, like you need innovation and creativity. I don't

907
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 4: love how Rabel manages games, and I know we over

908
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 4: index on that from a fans standpoint. Coaching is a

909
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 4: lot more than that. But I think the way that

910
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 4: he sets up the team it's very It's what you love, Simon,

911
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 4: That's what we love as football fans. It's old school,

912
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 4: it's smash mouth, it's run first. I think he's perfect

913
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 4: for this Patriots team right now. A little bit of Belichick,

914
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 4: still a little bit of that flavor still, and a

915
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 4: team that just needs to raise the floor. So I'm

916
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 4: gonna use this to launch into We're doing my off

917
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 4: season hot takes.

918
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 5: Here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna put my off

919
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 5: season hot takes all into one take.

920
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 4: I think the Patriots can be this year's Commanders, and

921
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 4: I think the Commanders might be this year's Texans. Here's

922
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 4: what I mean. Patriots floor raising. That's what we saw

923
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 4: with the Commanders last year. They had a ton of

924
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 4: salary cap and then they spent it on just dudes everywhere,

925
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 4: and I was like, really, like, go get a couple

926
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 4: real names in here. It turned out the dudes everywhere

927
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 4: making the offensive line much better, just adding veterans on

928
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 4: the defense, Bobby Wagner and Frankie lou Who. Those dudes

929
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 4: raised the floor, and Jane Daniels raised the ceiling, and

930
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 4: the new coaching staff gave them an opportunity that fits

931
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 4: the formula.

932
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 5: Here.

933
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 4: The Patriots still lack talent. You're right, I don't know

934
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 4: that this is not a Super Bowl pick. This is

935
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 4: maybe a worse to first Division winner pick. I think

936
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 4: the Bills have a little more holes in the roster

937
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 4: then they might look. I know, man, much you won't

938
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 4: like to hear it, but I know he's down on

939
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 4: them because of we were doing hard knocks. We're getting

940
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 4: coming off the MVP season. There's a lot of reason

941
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 4: that the Bills this maybe isn't the Bill's year. They're

942
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 4: kind of transitioning. Meanwhile, the Patriots add Stefon Digs at receiver.

943
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 4: Not a lot left, but something there back in the division.

944
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 5: He knows.

945
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 4: I love Kyle Williams from the draft. I thought he

946
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 4: was a really good pick for there. Another receiver they

947
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 4: drafted Trevion Henderson. You mentioned Will Campbell, the lineman. They

948
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 4: brought in Morgan Moses on the line. They paid big

949
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 4: money for Milton Williams, who was fantastic in the playoffs.

950
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 4: On the defensive line, Carlton Davis probably the best cornerback available.

951
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 4: Just lots of talent everywhere. So Vrabel raised the floor.

952
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 4: Talent everywhere, raising the floor, Drake May, can you raise

953
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 4: the ceiling? Can you be Jane Daniels this year? And

954
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 4: I don't help out again, not Super Bowl ceiling, but

955
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 4: this to me, this is a screams over this year

956
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 4: as an over team and a possible if they can

957
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 4: get things right. Division push where we talked about fields

958
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 4: and the Jets, but the reality is They're probably not

959
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 4: going to be that good. The Dolphins are downswing. I

960
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 4: think the Bills are certainly not upswing. So maybe you

961
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 4: think they stay the same, But in the NFL, you

962
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 4: don't usually stay the same. You go one direction or

963
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 4: the other, and I think that they are going the

964
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 4: wrong direction. The Commanders, I think might be this year's Texans,

965
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 4: the team that is all hype.

966
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 5: We all got excited.

967
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 4: We watched what was I think five straight one score victories.

968
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 4: At the end of the season. They knocked off the Lions. Congrats.

969
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 4: The Lions were playing the three of us on defense

970
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 4: at the end of the season. Like somebody was knocking

971
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 4: off the Lions. They just happened to be there for it.

972
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 4: They get the big trade for the receiver, Stefan Diggs

973
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 4: for the Texans, Deeba Stamuel for the Commanders. Oh, we

974
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 4: got the new weapon for our new shiny young quarterback toy.

975
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 5: That's the star, Well, Lizzie, because CJ.

976
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 4: Stroud was the big sleep for MVP last year and

977
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 4: then he kept sleeping all season long and never really

978
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 4: woke up and had a great season.

979
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 3: Is that.

980
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 4: Jayden Daniels. I like Jade Daniels, but growth is not linear.

981
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 4: You don't just become a superstar and that's it. You're

982
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 4: gonna take some lumps along the way. I wanted them

983
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 4: to continue to add up the roster this year. They

984
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 4: did the big splash. They put everything in on Laramie

985
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 4: tunsel on a trade. Laramie Tunseel was really not great

986
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 4: last season. They're missing Sam Cosmia on the line.

987
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 5: I don't know.

988
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 4: The line got a lot worse than the ear went on.

989
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 4: The defense still lacks a lot of talent. I don't

990
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 4: know if the Commanders are gonna be as hype as

991
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 4: everyone thinks they are. I think they could disappoint like

992
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 4: the Texans, and I think the Patriots might be this

993
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 4: year's Commanders instead.

994
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: Look Simon, a few weeks ago, we said the Patriots

995
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: at what was it sixteen one or thirty to one?

996
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: It was some outrageous numbers.

997
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 3: No, no, just to win their division, but it was crazy

998
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 3: it was.

999
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 1: But to win their division, it was like an outrageous.

1000
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 3: It wasn't that. I think it was seven or eight

1001
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 3: to one.

1002
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: I think that was the Titans. I don't know if

1003
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: someone can look up and put it all.

1004
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: That now, because the Patriots are way down brother. Now

1005
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 2: they've been bet down since we even talked about it,

1006
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: Like after I moved.

1007
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: I think the time it was pretty long odds whatever.

1008
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: It was like, the Bills are minus two seventy five

1009
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: to win the AFC East, and we love the Patriots

1010
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: and got a little blowback for it. We still like

1011
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: the Titans more to win the AFC South if we're

1012
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: looking at sort of worse the first. But I don't

1013
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 1: mind what Brandon is saying about the Patriots at all.

1014
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 3: I don't mind.

1015
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: But I really love what he's saying about Commanders because

1016
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 2: I'm of the same exact mentality of him. It's just

1017
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 2: like they they came out of nowhere, shocked the world,

1018
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: and now everyone's just like, well, that's who they're going

1019
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 2: to be now. Jane Daniels, he's a top five quarterback.

1020
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 2: This is a team that every year they're gonna win

1021
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 2: this division or fight to win this division. It's just like,

1022
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 2: what are you just talking about. It's never that easy.

1023
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 2: You peak in value, peak in value. That's why when

1024
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: we talked about these three guys the Top, the Lamar,

1025
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 2: the Mahomes, the Josh Allen, they're the unicorns. They're the

1026
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 2: guys every year that get you ten wins, and that's

1027
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 2: just not normal, right, there's just ups and down. So

1028
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 2: what he's talking about here, this is why I love Dallas.

1029
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 2: It's like everyone's all in on the Eagles, super winning team.

1030
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 2: Everyone's all in on the you shining New twenty the Commanders.

1031
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 2: Everyone has left Dallas for dead. Dallas is no worse

1032
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 2: off than they were last year when they were plus

1033
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 2: one point thirty at this point to win the NFC East.

1034
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: So it's just that's why I love this job.

1035
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 3: Ched. It's just overreaction.

1036
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 2: It's just last year, the amount of shit I took

1037
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 2: for talking about the Eagles being a top three team

1038
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 2: coming into the season because ESPN had them ranked twelfth

1039
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: or thirteenth. It's what do you people want from me?

1040
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 2: It's like, this is my job to make a living

1041
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 2: doing this. It's it's I'm never biased. I'm happy to

1042
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 2: take Dallas right as an Eagles fan. I am happy

1043
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: to get Dallas. Why because I know it's a smart bet.

1044
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 2: It's all about the values here. So everything you just

1045
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 2: said about the Commanders, I am. We're on the exact

1046
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 2: same page about It's just this this team at everything

1047
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 2: break right for them, Jad and Daniels was the best

1048
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: fourth down quarterback you might have ever seen.

1049
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 3: The issue of the NFL.

1050
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 2: So much regression is coming to that team. So everything

1051
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 2: you just talked about, it's it's it's dead on in

1052
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 2: my opinion about the Commanders.

1053
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: Brandon, what are the odds for the Patriots to win

1054
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: the division right now?

1055
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 4: They're the best number out there right now is a

1056
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 4: plus six fifty plus plus five six hundred depending on

1057
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 4: your book, and a plus six fifty as the best.

1058
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: All right, Well, look, we've unpacked a lot of stuff

1059
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: here today. We've done our hot takes. We've done our

1060
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: NFL MVPs, We've done our Super Bowl futures. We did

1061
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: our draft of NFL MVPs. I like it. I like

1062
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: where we landed. Hopefully, Brandon, you've got your goloshes and

1063
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 1: your apartment. Travail's will clean themselves up real real soon.

1064
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 1: Brandon Anderson, thank you for joining everyone listening to Brandon

1065
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: on Buckets throughout the rest of the NBA Playoffs. Simon

1066
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,279
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