WEBVTT - It's Like Buying Goodwill From An Alligator 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:05.600 This broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:10.520 George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Ketty arm. 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:11.480 Strong and Getty. 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:12.440 I know he. 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:17.960 Armstrong and Yetty. 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:28.080 In honor of Valentine's Day, Subway is offering buy one, 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:30.760 get one free sub What better way to say I 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:36.040 love you than I got this for free at Subway. 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:43.080 That's a decent point. Valentine Day is on a Friday 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:46.239 this year, so I don't know. I don't know how 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:47.920 to finish that. Does that mean anything? 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.440 Well, if you were thinking of going out for dinner 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:54.320 or drinks or whatever on Friday, because that's what you do. 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:59.040 Think again, that's a better point if you're not a 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.880 Valentine's Day but just usually you go out to dinner 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:05.080 on Friday or something, not this time, right, I wouldn't, 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:09.800 I wouldn't, wouldn't try. I'm tempted to tell this story myself, 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.440 but Elon told the story in the Oval office yesterday, 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:14.600 so we'll play him. I find his speaking, I don't 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:16.520 know if it's because of his Asperger's or whatever, so 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:19.200 kind of I don't know. I find it a little 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:22.560 difficult to follow sometimes his halting manner. But this is 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:29.760 an amazing story about how off track the government bureaucracy 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:32.920 can get in its effectiveness. And well, I'll let him 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:34.280 tell it and fill in any gaps. 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:36.120 And then we're told this is actually, I think a 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:39.480 great anecdote because we're told the most number of people 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.120 that could retire possibly in a month is ten thousand. 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:47.560 We're like, well, why is that? Well, because all our 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:51.560 time at paperwork is manual on paper. It's manually calculated, 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:52.919 been written down on a piece of paper. 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.920 Then it goes down to mine, like, what do you 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:56.480 mean of mine? 0:01:56.920 --> 0:02:00.240 Like, yeah, there's a limestone mine where we're still all 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:04.120 the retirement paperwork. And you look at picture of at 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.080 a picture of this mine. We'll post the pictures afterwards, 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:08.480 and this is this mine looks like something out of 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:11.360 the fifties because it was started in nineteen fifty five, 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:13.280 so it looks like it's like. 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:14.560 A time warp. 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.800 And then the speed, then the limiting factor is the 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:20.480 speed at which the mine, the shaft elevator can move, 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:24.040 determines how many people can retire from the federal from 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:27.440 the federal government, and the elevator breaks down and then 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:31.959 sometimes and then you can't. Nobody can retire. It doesn't 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:34.720 that sound crazy? There look a thousand people that work 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.200 on this. So I think if we can take those 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:39.160 people and say, like, you know what, instead of working 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:44.160 in a mine shaft and carrying Manila ovelopes to you know, 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:47.640 boxes in a mine shaft, you could do practically anything 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:51.480 else and you would add to the goods and services 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.440 of the United States in a more useful way. 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:56.720 Yeah, I'm looking at us on a luget olive ark. 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:59.120 I'm looking at the pictures of the mine and the 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:03.600 boxes them envelopes because that's how they process retirement in 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:07.040 the federal government in the year twenty twenty five. I mean, 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:12.359 it's really quite hilarious. About seven hundred workers operate more 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:15.760 than two hundred and thirty feet underground to process a 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:19.720 maximum of ten thousand federal retirement applications per month, all 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:23.919 processed by hand, using paper and stored in Manila envelopes 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:25.400 and cardboard boxes. 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:26.280 Yeah. 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:28.840 I saw the pictures too, and the fact that it's 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:32.840 a file cabinet thing is amazing enough. But why is 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:34.960 it got to be down in a mind? 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:38.520 I guess to keep what Yeah, the same reason they 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.400 store old films and stuff like that. Down in minds. 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:44.720 You can get the right humidity and all these different 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:48.160 sorts of things. But for so things don't decay. But 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.080 you don't need to do that anymore. I mean, I 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:54.120 don't know if you're familiar with the whole computerized record. 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:56.440 Keeping things or even air conditioners. 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:00.040 Apparently this has been known for quite some time. The 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:04.000 Washington Post described the facility as a sinkhole of bureaucracy 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:06.640 way back in twenty fourteen at the. 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:10.120 Time, probably defending it as a critical institution that Elon 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:11.680 Musk must not assault. 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:14.160 Probably at the time, and this is eleven years ago. 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.760 The report said the total spending on the retirement system 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:20.520 per year was fifty six million dollars. Multiple attempts to 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:24.799 digitize the system had been made since the eighties. According 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:28.600 to the report, each attempt largely failed and was eventually scrapped, 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:31.440 with the reported cost totaling over one hundred and thirty 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.920 million dollars. They spent we we at taxpayers have spent 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.560 one hundred and thirty million dollars trying to get away 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:41.359 from paper and Manila envelopes in boxes down in a 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:46.120 mine unsuccessfully. As Musk said, it was started in fifty five. 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:50.159 Nineteen fifty five. Looks like a time warp. It really 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.920 does it well. It looks like you're This picture must 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:57.560 be from when my dad was in high school, the 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:00.640 limiting factor being the mine shaft elevator. As he said, 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:05.359 my favorite part was him saying this could be remedied 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:11.000 with practically anything else. That's a funny thing to say this. 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.280 We love the line. We could make this better by 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:15.560 doing practically anything else. 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:18.760 And it's worth referring back to the New York Times 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:21.880 headline appearing with Trump. Musk makes broad claims of federal 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:25.800 fraud without proof. Says there's waste and fraud across the 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:32.960 bureaucracy without offering evidence. What the hell, no evident. 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:35.360 I don't even know what to think. 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:37.599 I loved his line about and I guess if the 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:39.720 elevator breaks, no one can retire. 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:44.720 That's Michael. This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard, 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:51.400 no I know. And what should be most striking is 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.320 there have been multiple attempts to improve it at a 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.400 cost of one hundred and thirty million dollars. They and 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:01.960 you couldn't because the bureaucracy is so thick and layered 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:04.960 and people I got. I gotta believe it's got a 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:08.440 lot to do with. Well, if we computerized it, we 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:11.440 would need seven hundred employees. We'd probably need like six, 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:19.080 maybe one, And they're the the the inertia to keep 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:22.479 all those people employed. It reminds me of the whole 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:25.080 dock worker thing that we mocked because the dock worker 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:27.599 unions are so powerful they want to keep having a 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:31.160 guy with a clipboard and a pen read the license 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:34.039 plate of the car rather than have a computer scan 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:37.520 it and do it because you got another employee and 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:40.640 more union does right, Well, that's that thing and needs 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:45.320 to get worked out. But with my tax money down there, 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:47.599 with the retirement records, that's insane. 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.800 You remember, one of the more stupid and discouraging moments 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:54.440 in American politics was when Mitt Romney referred to the 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:59.320 creative destruction of capitalism, meaning, you know, as things become 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.160 useless or less useful, or a better product comes along 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.560 or whatever, the old thing goes away. And that's not 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.320 a bad thing, that's a wonderful thing. But with government 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:12.360 it's the equivalent of we're still ordering our household goods 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:16.360 from the sears. Roebuck catalog and waiting six to eight 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:21.160 weeks for delivery because well, think about all the people 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:23.920 who print the catalog and work at the warehouse and 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:28.080 all those well, you know, all the chanting. We should 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:31.000 play some more of the chanting and then swearing and 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:31.680 stuff like that, and. 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:34.360 Sears would go away because everybody would use Amazon. No, 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.920 we can't have Seiers go away. So we're gonna fund 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:38.920 it somehow to keep it around, even though there's a 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:39.800 much better way to. 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.800 Do it, And so you have the equivalent to continue, 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:45.320 you know, going back and forth between the metaphor and 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:50.160 the reality of Chuck Schumer bellowing in the streets that we. 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.840 Are gonna fight Elon Musk trying to. 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:58.120 Take away our catalog at our sixty eight wait deliveries. 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:02.320 We're gotta fight. I straight, Who's with me? 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:04.240 And what was the other clip we played where they're 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:08.440 trying discoh with this idiotic song in which they're trying 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:12.800 to make reducing government waste the civil rights issue of 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:16.400 our time? Michael plays the idiotic song would you clip? 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:18.600 Which side are you on? 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:20.440 This is so horrible? 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:21.560 Side? Are you? 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:23.200 I apologize for playing it? 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:25.040 Which side are you on? 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:28.320 Wait till they're kicking the versus side Are you on? 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:35.320 Where fight against jog? Where fights? 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:36.319 No? 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:42.000 Wait landscap within our walls, We'll fight from dong to dusk. 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:44.880 Which side are you on? 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:48.960 Which side are you on? 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:49.480 Me? 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:54.640 Which side are you on? Which side are you on? 0:08:55.480 --> 0:09:00.600 Thank you for are unions? 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:03.439 It was to fat he wants sound. 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:07.680 Too bow to him, but we want him in jail. 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:12.760 Where are you? Yeah? The other one? Thank you for 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:16.160 asking the other one? I mean, like me, body and soul? 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:26.800 Are you are you can? 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.200 You're with the Union? 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:34.280 Are you a scabby musk ploodhound? Wow? 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:39.720 You're either with the Union or a scabby musk bloodhound. 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:43.280 But you know, sometimes you get done with a song 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:45.520 and you realize badline is as bad. 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:46.600 I gotta cut that. 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:50.800 I suggest you got old stop it, make it end, Michael. 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:51.920 That's all. 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:53.320 The other verses were plenty. 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:57.080 I'm on the side that doesn't think we should have 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:02.640 the retirements system done by hand on paper in Manila 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:10.000 envelopes down in a mine anymore. That's insane. 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.640 And the whole pathetic effort to get some sort of 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:17.760 Union song to catch on in twenty twenty five. If 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:19.200 you know the history of that sort of thing. 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:21.720 Yeah, that song was not to make sure black kids 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:25.439 could go to school, or or black people could vote 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.400 and sell Alabama or whatever. That song was to make 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:34.120 sure that you keep having people fill out by hand 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:38.479 paperwork and store it in a box underground. 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:41.840 Well, and as funny as that was, because it was 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:46.400 such a steaming pile, it's highly annoying because it tries 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:50.240 to put on the clothes of, as Jack pointed out, 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.760 the civil rights movement, which was a righteous cause in 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:57.400 Dace indeed, or you know, a miners' union singing a 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:00.760 song so everybody didn't die of black black long at 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:04.880 age forty one, you know, that sort of union movement. 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:07.560 But they're putting on the clothes of that stuff in 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.760 the name of preserving the pay of bureaucrats who don't 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:14.640 do anything as our country goes broke. Which side are 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.280 you on? Yeah, yeah, I got an answer for you. 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.160 Yeah, you're not Pete Seeger or Woody Guthrie. If you're 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:23.240 trying to argue that we need to have trans operas 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.000 in Ireland paid for by the taxpayer. 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:29.040 You know, if the Irish want a good trans opera, 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:32.000 and who among us doesn't enjoy a good trans opera. 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.679 The Irish need to pay for it with their own 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:39.679 the balloons or pounds or whatever rocks or whatever currency 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:40.079 they use. 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:44.440 Yes, more on the way, Which side are you on? 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:50.040 Which side are you on? 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:59.680 Pete Hexas second Death said a couple interesting things today 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.880 is in Brussels. I believe he said it is unrealistic 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:06.160 for Ukraine to get to go back to its pre 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.480 war borders, which is true, and that we are not 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.680 supporting Ukraine being a member of NATO anytime soon. So 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:15.200 that's where that is now. And New York Times with 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:18.600 an article I just started reading about how the most 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.840 brutal fighting going on right now is on Russian soil 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:25.920 as Russian soldiers try to dislodge that little piece of 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:29.200 land the Ukrainians have taken. And that's a brutal, awful fight. 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:34.160 Yeah, there are some fairly Trump friendly diplomatic types who 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.120 think Hegseth saying those things out loud was just a 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:45.400 horrific mistake. I don't, and I think I understand why. 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:49.760 In a classic negotiating sense, you don't want to announce 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:51.800 in advance what you're willing to give up. 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:53.840 Well, that's true, but I set off the table. But 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:55.319 I don't have any idea where they are in the 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:59.319 negotiations that they may have already crossed that point. I 0:12:59.400 --> 0:12:59.800 don't think. 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:02.800 Well, officially there aren't any negotiations, but. 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:07.320 What's being discussed behind the scenes, that theme, I've already 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:10.959 dealt with that, right, you know, conversations. I mean, that's 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.679 one of the headlines today. Trump has had several conversations 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:16.760 with Putin recently. I don't know to what extent we 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:19.880 should be deciding what Ukraine's willing to do. That's its 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:23.400 own separate topic. Trump may have already told Putin, yeah, 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:25.520 we realized they're not going to get all their country back. 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:27.160 Yeah. 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:29.480 And I just I'm so tired of the knee jerk 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:34.440 condemnation of departing from the usual way of doing things. 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.280 I think the usual way of doing things sometimes is good, 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.320 and so I'm not knee jerk in the other direction either. 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:43.520 But I don't feel any need to leap to the 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:46.920 criticism of the way they're doing things now, because so 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.000 much of it was not very effective. 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:52.040 Anyway. Well, two things on that one. Zelensky has already 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:54.680 said himself that he realizes they are probably not going 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:56.800 to get all the land back. To the pre war borders, 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.920 so he has said right two, having read the Bob 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.559 Woodward book and the David Sanger book, there's so much 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.200 that goes on that we don't know about until much later. 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:10.600 One hundred as the kids say, uh so, speaking of things, 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:11.600 people say. 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:12.360 Are you laughing at me? 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:12.560 How? 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:16.439 Yeah? That was funny. So a couple of things. 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:18.679 From the world to work. Number one, I'm working on 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:24.000 my first ever PowerPoint except I'm not using powerpointing, using 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:28.600 Apple's platform, which is a keynote. I have never made 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:32.240 one of those PowerPoint style presentations in my life. 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:34.520 I haven't either, and with luck, I may be able 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:35.880 to get to the grave without having to. 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:38.200 And I've always thought it might be fun to know 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:39.800 how it's it's practically effortless. 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.080 Anybody is everything you want to be employable. It seems 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:43.960 like a good idea, especially now. 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:46.440 But I'm going to work very, very hard to avoid 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:50.320 the things I hate about PowerPoint presentations and that everybody 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:57.880 else hates unnecessarily fancy transitions between slides, and the slide 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:03.440 that has five points that you can read in twelve seconds, 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.880 but that the presenter reads for you over the case 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:08.000 of ninety seconds. 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.400 Yeah, I've always wondered, why were you doing this? So 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:16.800 you're telling me all this slowly? Okay, I see it 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:19.400 right up there. I read it already. Can we move 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:21.520 on please? Anyway? 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:23.840 And then this I came across in the Wall Street Journal. 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:27.520 I think this is so funny that people don't get this. 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.760 I'll start the way they start. Greg Fahee says there's 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:34.920 a trick that helped him recruit college athletes and make 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:37.800 friends with powerful people. When he meets someone, he repeats 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:40.840 their name and conversation and he writes it down his 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:44.160 phone two at his memory. But he's one of those guys. Okay, Jack, 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.760 would you be totally opposed to trying this out? Because Jack, 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:49.040 I hear you're worrying you do it? Why what can 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:49.760 I do for you? 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:51.920 Now? Three times I'm a little weird about. 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.120 I know, and that the article is about how the 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:58.760 vast majority of the people think that's creepy. 0:15:59.080 --> 0:15:59.960 Yeah, I agree. 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.760 I feel some people think it's a powerful toll. 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.960 Even the first one, I'm a little makes it a 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:08.480 little weird, But you get into two and three. I've 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:12.040 started referring to our what are you supposed to call 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:17.440 them other than waitresses? I've started referring to servers by 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:20.320 their names, and my kids really hate it. I don't 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:23.200 know why, but it really bothers them when I do that. Wow, Yeah, 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.080 I alway, Jenny, I'm out. Are you doing, Jenny? 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.600 Whenever my mom would chat with a server or whatever, 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.200 that just made me so uncomfortable. Do you remember why? 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:34.440 Because it drives my kid's nuts. So now I do 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.520 it more. It's got to be something anthropological. 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:40.840 Huh. It's gotta be anyway. 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:45.280 So the guy reacting to the Jack, would you be 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:46.480 totally opposed to trying this? 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:46.880 Jack? 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:47.880 Jack? I hear that you. 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:51.440 He says it was clear the person was using manipulative 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:58.560 sales tactics, and this communications professor says, it's easy to 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.160 see when somebody's trying to influence you by doing that. 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:04.000 I feel icky when someone says my name every other sentence. 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:07.280 Yeah, I'm probably I'm probably not buying whatever you're trying 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:08.320 to sell me. You do that? 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:10.400 Oh no, no, I'm going elsewhere. 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:11.399 See you? What is it? 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:11.840 Jim? 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:15.320 Jim, You'll notice I'm leaving. Jim. Now I'm walking out 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:20.119 the door. Jim Armstrong and Geeddy. 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:23.800 I feel like the luckiest man on earth right now. 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:30.520 And I want you to know that I am not 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:31.800 a hero in this at all. 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:37.000 And President Trump, this is a hero. 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:42.840 Mark Fogel, teacher accused of smoking dope in Russia by 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:44.879 the Russians. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. You never know. 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.760 They grab Americans all the time in China and Russian 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:49.959 North Korean places like that, so they can use him 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:51.920 as a bargaining chip for something, or he might have 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:53.120 been smoking dope. Who knows. 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.000 You don't we audit into the country anyway. 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.680 You don't get to hold an American for what four years? 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:01.040 How long was he there alone? Time? Long time? 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:01.320 Yeah? 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:07.920 Years? And first I always wonder on these things because 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:12.399 you know, there's uh, You've got the policy people around 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:14.480 any White House, and then you got the political people. 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.040 And I'm sure the political people are pushing hard for 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:20.600 get this guy on TV. Get this guy. We need 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:22.399 to We need him standing next to Donald Trump. And 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.160 I'm thinking, man, I just got out of four years 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.240 in a Russian prison, which he's about to describe what 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:29.400 it was like. I want to go home. I don't 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:31.200 want to be on Fox and Friends this morning doing 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:34.119 an interview with makeup and lights and waiting for the 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:36.760 segment to start an end. I want to be home 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.240 in my bed with my family or friends or whoever 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:42.960 I haven't seen in four years. Right, that seems like, yeah, 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.600 I don't know what's going on there anyway. Here is 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:48.360 Mark Foegel Fogel describing a little the last several years 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:49.280 in a Russian prison. 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:54.200 This super organism of people that came to my support. 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:59.000 And the love that I was given. 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:03.720 Sustain me for three and a half years. 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:06.960 In prison, that had me. 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:11.560 In hospitals for more than one hundred days. I was 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:16.960 given more than four hundred injections in that time, and 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:24.359 knowing I had the support of my fellow Pennsylvanians, my family, 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:36.520 my friends, it was so overwhelming that it brought me 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.280 to my knees and it brought me to tears. 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:45.200 I'm sure he did a big debriefing with the CIA. 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:48.800 Maybe the first thing he did on the plane back 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.640 over probably four hundred injections. 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:54.479 Of what and you're held in the hospital why as 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:58.240 some sort of weird detention, more questions than answers. 0:19:58.280 --> 0:19:59.360 But that's fine, there's time. 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:03.400 Yeah, but good lord, four hundred injections of God knows 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:06.840 what that would scare me. Yeah, what you're a beating 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:09.199 I know how to take, not that I would enjoy it, 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:12.520 But then happen to me full of God knows what. 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:15.800 I assume he doesn't speak Russian. So somebody comes up 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.840 to you in the hospital or the prison and sticks 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:21.000 an eedel in your arm? You think, am I going 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:23.320 to be dead in thirty seconds? Or what the hell 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:25.280 is that? Are you doing medical experiments on me? What 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:27.119 the hell is going on here? Right? 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:32.440 Four hundred and was he counting them or seemed quite confident. 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:35.399 In his number? I have many questions. Anyway, here's Trump 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:38.159 talking about the whole deal that he made with Putin. 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:41.960 They were very nice, We were treated very nicely by Russia. Actually, 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:46.000 I hope that's the beginning of a relationship where we 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:49.240 can end that war and millions of people can stop 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:52.600 being killed. They've lost millions of people. They lost in 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:57.359 terms of soldiers, probably one point five million soldiers in 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:00.560 a short period of time we got to that war. 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:04.800 And I'm interested primarily from the standpoint of death. We're 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:07.879 losing all those soldiers, and then other American soldiers, the 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:11.639 Ukrainian and Russian soldiers. But you're probably talking about a 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:13.880 million and a half. I think I think we kind 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:15.040 of bring that one to an end. 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:18.680 So what's the angle there? So this is seen as 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:23.920 us getting Mark fogelback, who Putin had been holding illegally 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:27.280 for three and a half years, as part of the 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:29.800 negotiation for ending the war in Ukraine. I don't know 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:30.919 how it's all going to fit together. 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:38.280 Yeah, you know, Trump absolutely understands the art of negotiation. 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:41.800 You know, you want to rattle a seller and soothe 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:45.800 a buyer, for instance, And he's trying to get Putin 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:49.520 to buy a good deal to in the war that spares. 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:50.920 Ukraine too much, you know, defeat. 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:56.040 But the idea that you could like maneuver against Putin 0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:59.240 and actually buy goodwill, it's like trying to buy goodwill 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:02.560 from an alligate. I mean, I don't mind him trying. 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:05.520 It just seems, is it that every president's a bit 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:09.119 of an egomaniac and they all think they can play 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:11.080