Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorn Smith.
Speaker 2: And Daphne's Aniga an iHeartRadio podcast. Hello friend, how you guys?
Speaker 2: I know?
Speaker 3: Are you good as you know?
Speaker 2: Because you can see I have a different background behind
Speaker 2: me with a lot of accolades. I might say this
Speaker 2: is my uh my half brother's mom and her husband's
Speaker 2: basement and office and baby rooms, so they kind of
Speaker 2: I could have this for my podcast needs. There's a
Speaker 2: baby bassinette and all kinds of other stuff over there,
Speaker 2: which I'm much. It's all pink and soft. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a girl. She's adorable.
Speaker 1: And who's a girl, Daphney? Do you want to tell
Speaker 1: us who's my niece? Yay?
Speaker 2: Well could you say? Your name's Zoe?
Speaker 1: Daphne's an auntie.
Speaker 2: I'm exciting Auntie Zoe. Yeah, it's uh And so a
Speaker 2: lot of family and friends are coming by. We're up
Speaker 2: in San Francisco where they live where I was born,
Speaker 2: oh a few years ago. Yeah, remember last episode. I
Speaker 2: think Chuck was there and he's like, we would be
Speaker 2: writing and going, oh that's a Melrose moment.
Speaker 1: This episode should be called Poor Allison, Bye Bye Billy
Speaker 1: slash Poor Alison.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, so bye bye, Billy it we'll do
Speaker 2: a brief recap here. We open up on Marina del Rey,
Speaker 2: which is our marina in La and it's on some
Speaker 2: sail boats and beautiful water, and the camera pans up
Speaker 2: this very fancy for nineteen ninety two, very modern high rise,
Speaker 2: and then we cut inside and we have we see
Speaker 2: these close ups of coffee being poured, toast being buttered,
Speaker 2: flour putting in a vase, the paper being folded and
Speaker 2: put it on a tray. So we don't know who
Speaker 2: it is. But then we pull out and hands are
Speaker 2: walking this tray and it's a who walks into or
Speaker 2: opens her bedroom door and there is a naked Billy
Speaker 2: in her bed. So they had a lovely evening and
Speaker 2: she's just like adding tulips to coffee and toast and
Speaker 2: she's in heaven. And so there they are getting frisky
Speaker 2: again and she gets a call and it's her dad,
Speaker 2: and her dad said he's coming to town. So she goes, oh, good,
Speaker 2: this is a good chance for my dad to meet Billy,
Speaker 2: my new boyfriend. But Billy says, well, no, I have
Speaker 2: a plan to see a play with Alison. And she's
Speaker 2: like oh, come on, nuzzles his neck, talks her out
Speaker 2: of it, talks him out of to his previous commitment. Alison,
Speaker 2: she is mugged when she's walking to her car at
Speaker 2: night after the play. And a little aside behind the scenes,
Speaker 2: that head the head thug guy who grabbed you and
Speaker 2: pushes you against the fence. That's Lee Ehrenberg, who I
Speaker 2: went to UCLA with and who's like the sweetest guy
Speaker 2: ever meet, sweetest man. You remember, I do?
Speaker 1: I remember?
Speaker 2: Yes, he's the sweetest man, Lee Arenberg. He's done a
Speaker 2: lot of work and he usually plays those kind of
Speaker 2: characters because he has that kind of like menacing look,
Speaker 2: but he's like a big teddy bear anyway. So that's
Speaker 2: a very traumatic situation for Allison, and she continues to
Speaker 2: have flashbacks and fear throughout the rest of the episode.
Speaker 2: And it's Keith who is kind of there for her,
Speaker 2: and Billy's not so much there for her. So you see,
Speaker 2: with Keith in the picture and with this need that
Speaker 2: she has, we see Billy kind of like, well, I
Speaker 2: guess he has her. So he goes moves towards Amanda,
Speaker 2: and then Allison sees that you know, well, he's at
Speaker 2: Amanda's all the time, says to Keith, why don't you
Speaker 2: want to move into my place? I don't want to
Speaker 2: be alone. So she's very fragile now after this experience,
Speaker 2: and she says, Billy's never there, so why don't you
Speaker 2: move into the apartment and he says, well, of course,
Speaker 2: he says, i'd look to. Simultaneously, we have Joe and
Speaker 2: Jake are trying to navigate. He has the motorcycle shop now,
Speaker 2: and she's trying to figure out how she can be
Speaker 2: a partner not step on his toes, and we'll see
Speaker 2: that kind of comes to a nice compromise at the end.
Speaker 2: But she also tries to help her friend who's been
Speaker 2: traumatized by this robbery and does it her way and
Speaker 2: takes her to a shooting range and Alison will have
Speaker 2: none of it, is freaked out by the guns, and
Speaker 2: Joe's kind of gearly getting into it that Allison's like,
Speaker 2: I'll be waiting in the car. I can't do this
Speaker 2: gun thing. So that didn't work, and then Joe tells
Speaker 2: Jake later that she has a gun and he's like,
Speaker 2: you need to get rid of it. She will, And
Speaker 2: then we also have Rnda and Terrence, and Terrence wants
Speaker 2: to decorate this big mansion that he bought and it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you have to go meet the decorator that I hired.
Speaker 2: And she's like okay, and she goes over to his
Speaker 2: new mansion and it's none other than her old roommate,
Speaker 2: Carrie aka Raydon Tong. He plays her again.
Speaker 1: That was fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, c D crazy roommate and they have a whole
Speaker 2: jealousy triangle that they'll have to work out. So this
Speaker 2: really is about navigating the different pairings and of course
Speaker 2: at the end everybody. We have the saddest scene in
Speaker 2: cinematic history when Belly finds out that Keith has moved in.
Speaker 2: So he figures, well, my time is here.
Speaker 1: Second only to Casablanca, but serious second only.
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, maybe it was close, though it was close.
Speaker 2: I don't know. If we're in the oscars, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think BILLI and Allison scene may have won, just.
Speaker 1: Got nominated for very few oscars. I think we do
Speaker 1: need to point there's a.
Speaker 3: Couple of reasons for that. We can get into that
Speaker 3: in a minute.
Speaker 2: Well, now that we're streaming on Paramount Plus, we probably
Speaker 2: would be eligible anyway. Uh, but yeah, that's a sad,
Speaker 2: sad scene. So get your Kleenex and box of wine people,
Speaker 2: because you're gonna need it.
Speaker 3: Bye Bye Billy, Bye Bye Billy.
Speaker 2: And so that's that's where we end the episode. And
Speaker 2: I like we said, let's jump in.
Speaker 1: What a great summary Daphne.
Speaker 2: Nice and brief, but really well done, so everyone should
Speaker 2: watch it. I just want to reminder.
Speaker 1: I think I think the main point that we'd all
Speaker 1: like to agree on is there was way too much
Speaker 1: making out with Billy and Amanda. I think the main
Speaker 1: point we want to make enough of that, am I right?
Speaker 1: Enough of that right now?
Speaker 4: I will say there there was less of it than
Speaker 4: the last episode, which is much more of this.
Speaker 1: Well I noticed the nuzzling, Yes, yeah, because it really
Speaker 1: is slightly less pain for me, your only marker of success,
Speaker 1: slightly less pain for me.
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to break it to you that, yes,
Speaker 4: there was the making out, but to be honest, it
Speaker 4: was less than last episode. I'm still very sad for Alison,
Speaker 4: because you know much I'm rooting for Alison, and I
Speaker 4: am such a spectator in this in these episodes, like
Speaker 4: when you say, Daphne that we hope people are watching
Speaker 4: these old shows. It is so fun for me to
Speaker 4: go back that I'm watching a show I never saw, right,
Speaker 4: and so I'm truly an audience member in these first
Speaker 4: in this first season, and so I'm getting invested in
Speaker 4: these characters. And of course I'm rooting for my friends
Speaker 4: Courtney and Daphney, but I'm really rooting for Alison during
Speaker 4: this stretch of time where I.
Speaker 2: Mean funny also watching that scene court you and I
Speaker 2: was thinking, Wow, I'm really feeling like like I feel
Speaker 2: so sad and that, and I was like, oh, they're
Speaker 2: dating these she's they're using, they're using emotional connection and
Speaker 2: probably and imagining like never saying like saying goodbye, like Billy,
Speaker 2: You guys are both so good. Andrew was really good too.
Speaker 2: I really felt it.
Speaker 1: What a weird reality I was watching the What a
Speaker 1: weird reality. We probably drove to work together. Then he
Speaker 1: goes and makes that with Heather and I go mack.
Speaker 2: Out with and then we.
Speaker 1: Get back in the car, drive home, hopefully make out
Speaker 1: with each other. Maybe we're just tired at that point.
Speaker 1: And they were like, I've had about it.
Speaker 4: You could reality that you can truly see in this
Speaker 4: episode that Alison, the character is annoyed by Keith and
Speaker 4: not really very warm and fuzzy. She's like talking herself,
Speaker 4: and this is what I'm watching, and I'm the audience member,
Speaker 4: so I'm like, this is just what I observe.
Speaker 3: I see Alison not very.
Speaker 4: Interested in Keith, and she's settling and she's just okay.
Speaker 4: And then somehow he manages to like come be the
Speaker 4: hero when she's in a dark and scary time in
Speaker 4: her life and he happens to be there, and she's
Speaker 4: just grateful for that presence, but it's.
Speaker 3: Not really she doesn't really like him.
Speaker 2: This is what I see.
Speaker 3: And yet when.
Speaker 4: She's with Billy, it's just warm and fuzzy and perfect
Speaker 4: and you know, like there's chemistry and you like each
Speaker 4: other and both and it's so sad to see the
Speaker 4: relationship that they're not choosing to have be the one
Speaker 4: that's so obviously better on screen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the first scene with Keith and Allison when
Speaker 1: I'm so far over to the side of the car,
Speaker 1: I'm almost hanging out.
Speaker 2: I look about to jump back. Is my car sick?
Speaker 1: Like I literally look sick and so close and I'm like,
Speaker 1: but am I really so close.
Speaker 3: Like I was a good four feet away in a
Speaker 3: car and you were.
Speaker 2: The notes I made on that scene were that he
Speaker 2: was harassing you for like and mocking you and teasing
Speaker 2: you and being starcastic like, oh, we're just but buddies,
Speaker 2: We're just pals, you know, and really, and I thought
Speaker 2: that was so annoying, like mocking you and being sarcastic
Speaker 2: because you want to go slowly and you're like, do
Speaker 2: you not remember I don't trust you, because like he
Speaker 2: never told you he was married before, but remember she
Speaker 2: delivered okay, well do you what do you need the papers?
Speaker 2: I'm divorced. I just thought he was yeah.
Speaker 4: Well I think Allison was too, because all those lines
Speaker 4: that she delivered in that scene were so were that
Speaker 4: same level of annoyance.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, he was like literally it did feel like
Speaker 2: it was going like this, and then this trauma happens
Speaker 2: to Alison, and so then he's there to save her.
Speaker 2: Doesn't it there for her? Over and over?
Speaker 4: Doesn't it make you sort of wonder like did Keith
Speaker 4: somehow orches straight all this to su I mean, there's
Speaker 4: no spoilers here because I don't know where this is going.
Speaker 3: This is just.
Speaker 1: Because he does loan her his car car. She says
Speaker 1: she needs to feel like it's not that I really care.
Speaker 1: I just my car's in the shop. Like I don't
Speaker 1: care that you're not going to play with me my cars.
Speaker 4: Right, I'm fine going alone. So he knows she's going alone.
Speaker 4: He's she's in the borrowed car and you know, going
Speaker 4: to the theater district and and all this stuff, and
Speaker 4: like just conveniently he's there when she's going down into
Speaker 4: the scary laundry room too, like when she thought the
Speaker 4: lights burned out? Is that so is that just a coincidence?
Speaker 4: Or to watch this is my this is my weariness
Speaker 4: level of Keith. I don't trust him at all. I
Speaker 4: don't like him at all. And Chuck said very clearly
Speaker 4: they needed a villain, they needed a conflict, and like villain.
Speaker 3: Is Keith villain? Definitely?
Speaker 4: I see him as villain, even though you know they're
Speaker 4: painting it like, oh, this is a relationship for Alison
Speaker 4: as an audience member.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm taking it very personally. How on Alison's side
Speaker 1: you both are? It really feels like that great conversation,
Speaker 1: like he's the worst, you're the best. So we really
Speaker 1: appreciate it as a I really appreciate the conversation.
Speaker 2: But you guys, the writers aren't dumb what you're feeling, Laura,
Speaker 2: as an audience member, as you say, I am two,
Speaker 2: we're all feeling it. I think they you know, they
Speaker 2: have specific lines and they're writing it in there. It's
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: So we got to see why well be revealed. You
Speaker 4: sound like you know where it's going. I don't, and
Speaker 4: so I'm super excited. I find out this is just what.
Speaker 2: I thought I knew.
Speaker 1: But I forgot this. So Alison goes to play gets mugged.
Speaker 1: That scene was terrifying. I completely forgot it. I sort
Speaker 1: of remembered it after, but like hanging on the fence
Speaker 1: and crying like I didn't remember that at all.
Speaker 4: You know, they grab her, they grab her purse and
Speaker 4: take the key and.
Speaker 2: And then he takes you by that back of your
Speaker 2: head and over to the.
Speaker 4: Yes, shoves your face into the fence. It's it's terrifying,
Speaker 4: totally trauma.
Speaker 2: Makes me wonder if Keith set it up, because you're
Speaker 2: absolutely right, He's there for every moment, and it felt
Speaker 2: like the Lee Ehrenberg character made it extra scary for
Speaker 2: you to make a bully, and I do remember that.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because I just saw Lee rewatching Seinfeld
Speaker 1: for the thousands time and he has, remember, has that
Speaker 1: fight with Kramer over the parking space. So if people
Speaker 1: don't remember who he is, the guy who's arguing with
Speaker 1: Kramer over the parking space.
Speaker 2: He was amazing in that too.
Speaker 1: But I do remember how incredibly sweet he was, which
Speaker 1: is great because it was really scary. But so often
Speaker 1: don't you find those guys who played that have guys
Speaker 1: are the sweetest guys?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the sweeting you in between. Yes, you have
Speaker 2: to practice, you know, you have to go over the
Speaker 2: blocking and stuff.
Speaker 1: But I was surprised, like she couldn't get her key.
Speaker 1: I just assumed watching it that she would get her
Speaker 1: key in time and go in the car. I was
Speaker 1: just as shocked as you or Laura having seen her
Speaker 1: for the first time when she got grabbed and really scary.
Speaker 4: And it was shot in that way that's really startling
Speaker 4: and frightening, like that tone in Melrose's place. We're going
Speaker 4: to see it in subsequent seasons, like it's going to
Speaker 4: come up a lot. I think a lot of you know, traumatizing,
Speaker 4: scary stuff happens, especially to the women, as we know.
Speaker 4: But I think this is kind of you know, although
Speaker 4: Billy was he had his car, you know, beating attack
Speaker 4: thingy too. This is a really scary, like the music
Speaker 4: is scary. It continues through the episode with the laundry
Speaker 4: room and she's going down and she's really fearful, and
Speaker 4: just the tone of everything about the show, with the
Speaker 4: music and.
Speaker 2: Also the camera shots. I mean, no, forget that's Victoria Hope.
Speaker 2: She's so good at bringing out the emotion. And I
Speaker 2: think she uses like steady cam or handheld a lot,
Speaker 2: so that when you use steadycam or handheld, it's not
Speaker 2: like locked off on a tripod. You feel vulnerable because
Speaker 2: it's moving with you. There's no That's what I felt
Speaker 2: in that scene. And also down in the laundry room,
Speaker 2: there's movement to it, so there's this like creeping feeling
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: And also it's always scary to go down into a
Speaker 1: dark laundry room, right like go down into your basement,
Speaker 1: go down into a dark laundry room.
Speaker 2: But didn't you think so?
Speaker 1: So Alison goes down into the dark laundry room. The
Speaker 1: lights are out, she hears a noise. Keith comes down,
Speaker 1: of course her savior. She says, I'm so scared. I'm
Speaker 1: so scared, And I literally said, what about your laundry?
Speaker 4: Like, didn't we start to You're going to help you
Speaker 4: with your laundry, right, I can't I just.
Speaker 3: Abandons the load of laundry.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm thinking, yeah, you're traumatized, and why would you
Speaker 2: go down in that moment. I'm trying to imagine it
Speaker 2: will maybe if I go down in the launderroom and
Speaker 2: I'll feel better if I do my laundry right now.
Speaker 2: Well that'd be like in bed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say forget it. I can do laundry
Speaker 4: tomorrow on the light day. But she must have clearly
Speaker 4: known there's like another light switch at the bottom of
Speaker 4: the stairs, very conveniently, so I'll just like bravely venture
Speaker 4: down and hit this southern light switch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's trying to be brave. There's a line like
Speaker 1: later on which just got me. It made me laugh.
Speaker 1: Start when when Keith says, and I wrote here, Keith
Speaker 1: is very sweet and thoughtful post mugging. I'm almost rooting
Speaker 1: for him, like he's saying all the right things.
Speaker 2: He actually said.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about being strong, being brave. Let me be
Speaker 1: all those things for you, at least for tonight. Then
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to hit him because I was like,
Speaker 1: that's really taking advantage of Alison's vulnerability, yeah, and.
Speaker 4: Trying to pat himself on the back. I will shoulder
Speaker 4: this all for you.
Speaker 1: But he did say the right things right like he
Speaker 1: said it was so scary, don't worry about the car.
Speaker 1: Like he really did say all the right things. So
Speaker 1: I understood.
Speaker 2: Why.
Speaker 1: Oh, and how about that scene when so it's post mugging,
Speaker 1: it's the next morning and Alison and Keith are holding
Speaker 1: hands in the doorway and Billy comes in and he
Speaker 1: has no id to what happened. He's just coming and
Speaker 1: apologizing for the play, and he says, how is the play?
Speaker 1: And Allison goes, I don't remember. It all kind of
Speaker 1: slipped my mind once I got carjacked, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's a master of passive aggression. And then and then
Speaker 1: she walks up and she and he goes, I didn't hear.
Speaker 1: She goes, I tried to reach you, and plays the
Speaker 1: message and she's sobbing and saying, basically, I've just been
Speaker 1: attacked and enjoyed there for me.
Speaker 2: She says, listen to it for yourself, and she leaves
Speaker 2: with Keith and he's living listening. Poor Billy's by himself,
Speaker 2: hearing you don't traumatize. Yes, He's like, what did I do? Yeah? Yeah, yeah?
Speaker 4: And then you know, alongside this, Billy's navigating his thing
Speaker 4: with Amanda, Who's who's really catching on that he's preoccupied
Speaker 4: with his feelings about Alison and stuff. And she's going,
Speaker 4: you know, you don't seem like somebody who just thinks
Speaker 4: of her as a friend. You seem to be thinking
Speaker 4: of her an awful lot, you know, this guilt over
Speaker 4: her not being there for her.
Speaker 1: And how about that shot when when they're in the
Speaker 1: sculpture garden, which sculpture garden that's kind of cool from
Speaker 1: place is that?
Speaker 2: And I come in and it's this naked.
Speaker 1: Torso of this woman in bronze and we're driving in
Speaker 1: and she's talking, we're driving in. The shot is coming
Speaker 1: in and you see them coming up in the background.
Speaker 1: And did you notice in this scene she says someone
Speaker 1: who loves you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do we know that they love each other? Have they
Speaker 1: said the L word yet?
Speaker 4: That came out and even Billy didn't say anything about it,
Speaker 4: and we're going, excuse me, is that is that a
Speaker 4: thing we.
Speaker 2: Missast moving fast?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that was the elder.
Speaker 2: And even and before that when he meets the dad,
Speaker 2: what about that scene that was hilarious, Like Amanda's father
Speaker 2: is teaching Billy the things about whiskey scotch, whiskey scotch, and.
Speaker 3: He's like, well, I drink beer and I'm a camp driver.
Speaker 2: And I'm like wrong. Thing he wasn't.
Speaker 3: He wasn't trying very hard to make a good impression.
Speaker 2: I don't think he knew how to be honest. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was like, well i'd drive out, well, I like beer.
Speaker 1: I thought he was being so sweet, like he wasn't
Speaker 1: putting on airs.
Speaker 4: I just think it was he like didn't care to
Speaker 4: impress him. He was like not going to.
Speaker 2: Try, well that was that would be dumb. I think
Speaker 2: so too dumb.
Speaker 3: I think so true.
Speaker 2: Like Amanda, You've just said, You're like it's like dumb,
Speaker 2: like do something. Isn't he smarter?
Speaker 4: But like, I don't know, just he was a little
Speaker 4: bit like almost defiantly sort of challenging Amanda's dad and
Speaker 4: I don't like I don't like Scotch.
Speaker 3: I'm a beer drinker.
Speaker 4: Like that is kind of dumb if you're gonna try
Speaker 4: to make a good impression. So I conclude, well, then
Speaker 4: he just wasn't trying, because.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to bring this back to me again.
Speaker 2: I just realized. Yesterday after saying hi to the baby,
Speaker 2: David and I went to One A Vista, which is
Speaker 2: a famous Irish pub here in San Francisco next to
Speaker 2: Giadelli Square. It's where Herbcane went all these writers. And
Speaker 2: I had an Irish coffee Irish whiskey, and David had
Speaker 2: a Guinness so beer drinker Irish And then I looked
Speaker 2: the clock. It was like eleven am.
Speaker 3: He'd probably been up for hours.
Speaker 2: We've been up for hours watching over the baby. It's
Speaker 2: so exhausted. It's five o'clock summer. He goes so meanly.
Speaker 2: Her dad goes to her asa as an aside in
Speaker 2: the kitchen and says, like, we'll see how long this lies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's not for you. Wayne Tippit is the actor
Speaker 4: who plays Amanda's dad. He's so great and yeah he's.
Speaker 2: Great another millions and everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just he was perfect but it.
Speaker 1: Does feel early, like I know we snuck in that
Speaker 1: Amanda loves Billy, but it does feel early for him
Speaker 1: to meet her dad right, like, So it's all happening
Speaker 1: very very fast, that that real ship is taking off.
Speaker 1: Billy and Alison and Keith are moving quickly because of
Speaker 1: her trauma.
Speaker 4: And by the end of the episode, she's going to
Speaker 4: suggest he moves in. Yeah, it's moving fast. Yes, you know,
Speaker 4: we don't talk about the L word, but we're also
Speaker 4: moving in together super fast.
Speaker 2: Well I feel like, yeah, I don't know, And it
Speaker 2: feels doesn't it feel like driven by Amanda this close
Speaker 2: close close? Doesn't it feel like she's like I want
Speaker 2: him and doesn't feel like it's so pushed and initiated
Speaker 2: by Billy. Yeah, it feels like, yes, okay, Well she's gorgeous. Yes,
Speaker 2: I dig this, and my roommate slash woman that I
Speaker 2: really love is you know, back in Keith's life.
Speaker 1: So also, she's so seductive, like you said, Daphnie started
Speaker 1: off with her making a breakfast in bed. She's so
Speaker 1: gorgeous obviously, and she's more sure than it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Look it like.
Speaker 1: Remember you know, Heather said she felt old coming on
Speaker 1: the show. She doesn't look any older than anybody else,
Speaker 1: but she definitely is more sophisticated. He looks like an
Speaker 1: axe like boy next to her, so I think he
Speaker 1: just sort of is letting her lead the way. Who
Speaker 1: wouldn't like on who could say no to her. I'll
Speaker 1: be like, so beautiful, I'll do this.
Speaker 2: Sure he's not. You're right, she is in spite of
Speaker 2: how he was.
Speaker 4: But she was driving that and saying all right, we're
Speaker 4: in this, I love you and you.
Speaker 1: Should move in, and you know that was What do
Speaker 1: you think is the competition for her? Like how much
Speaker 1: of it is stealing Billy from Allison?
Speaker 2: Or am I sort of looking into the future. But
Speaker 2: I think you're looking like you're projecting. Yeah, I think you,
Speaker 2: Allison are projecting.
Speaker 1: Your lines are really blurred for someone Alison does it
Speaker 1: like Andrew Billy, Amanda, Heather Courtney, Elison.
Speaker 3: Courtney's really offended by this whole thing.
Speaker 2: For Alison, I do think there's touches of that those
Speaker 2: Melrose moments where she's like, well, you know, kind of
Speaker 2: gives them ultimatums and nuzzles Isna and like, you know,
Speaker 2: I'll take you away from her. But I don't think
Speaker 2: it's fully that. I think she really digs them from
Speaker 2: the very first episode, way back on what twenty one twelve.
Speaker 1: Well, they had more of this, like this scene and
Speaker 1: you pointed out, Daphne, I'm still mad at you for
Speaker 1: it when they're ice skating and it's so sweet and
Speaker 1: you're kind of rooting for them, Still mad at you
Speaker 1: for it. But in this one, they're walking down, you're
Speaker 1: getting a hot dog and a dirty dog.
Speaker 2: A dirty dog.
Speaker 1: Heah, there's dirty others in her, like really fitted sexy plaid.
Speaker 1: So here's the dichotomy, a clothing dichotomy.
Speaker 2: She's got this.
Speaker 1: Sexy red plaid suit with a half jacket and a
Speaker 1: tight skirt, and I've got this huge plaid jacket. I
Speaker 1: remember that jacket though, and I remember thinking it was
Speaker 1: so cool because had huge shoulder pads that sort of
Speaker 1: hung halfway down my arm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was like an ll bean or whatever
Speaker 2: you like, you know what.
Speaker 1: I think it was now that we're talking about it.
Speaker 1: And I literally had a vague memory of this. It
Speaker 1: was because I was so scared. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: kept that jacket.
Speaker 2: You're still wearing it, come on now. It was a
Speaker 2: scene daft.
Speaker 1: You know, this was a scene between you and me
Speaker 1: when I'm folding sheets.
Speaker 4: I thought the same thing, like did she just come
Speaker 4: over and like you happen to be folding laundry at
Speaker 4: the times they're like, hey, help me fold this laundry
Speaker 4: and let's chat.
Speaker 1: But doesn't it look like I'm folding up like a
Speaker 1: bed that had been on the couch.
Speaker 2: It was very confusing to me.
Speaker 4: It was like you folded or you were just folding
Speaker 4: the laundry in the living And.
Speaker 2: I just remember things we've said this before early on
Speaker 2: in our podcast, like well, what can she be doing?
Speaker 2: Or you're saying we walk on set, you know, with
Speaker 2: your tea or your water going, well, what am I doing?
Speaker 2: Expecting somebody there? So they're like well, and then they're like, well,
Speaker 2: we got to do it over here. Well let's do
Speaker 2: she's folding laundry. And I don't even know if they
Speaker 2: tied it into the laundry scene earlier episode No, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe or maybe that's what it was and we
Speaker 4: didn't get it.
Speaker 2: Oh she didn't get it.
Speaker 1: But I'm really glowing and talking about because I had
Speaker 1: spent the night with Keith who now and it's so
Speaker 1: funny because watching it, I didn't at all get what
Speaker 1: you guys were talking about about him taking advantage of.
Speaker 2: Her in her moment of need. Now I'm furious.
Speaker 1: I'm furious now what happened. I'm so angry that he
Speaker 1: took advantage of her because he did. It was right
Speaker 1: after that I'll be brave for you that they fell
Speaker 1: into bed, and then she's all perky and saying, we
Speaker 1: had it's amazing.
Speaker 2: Actually it was amazing. Yeah, And I'm like, well, I'll
Speaker 2: take care of that. I'm taking you to the shooting range.
Speaker 2: You know, we're going to go shoot my SIGs hour.
Speaker 4: I also thought it was sort of funny, like Joe
Speaker 4: was being like, oh, I know how that feels. That's
Speaker 4: happened to me, Like, oh, yeah, it happened to me
Speaker 4: in New York.
Speaker 3: I just, you know, have an evil access in New York.
Speaker 2: She did say that, you're right, I've been mugged. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I got this.
Speaker 4: Oh well, yeah, I have an idea. Come on, I
Speaker 4: know you're scared to go out of the house right
Speaker 4: now and you're not going to work, but come on,
Speaker 4: let's go.
Speaker 3: Let's leave the house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And didn't you think it was interesting that Jake
Speaker 1: was so anti gun. So Jake finds out that Joe
Speaker 1: has a gun at home and he does this, He
Speaker 1: just rails on it, talking about his friends who had
Speaker 1: guns and.
Speaker 2: They ended up shooting each other.
Speaker 1: I thought that was a nice anti gun message in
Speaker 1: the middle of Melrose Place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a very like, very clear conversation between
Speaker 3: the two characters. That whole scene with Jake.
Speaker 4: And Joe is so sweet because their storyline like refers
Speaker 4: to the previous episode where Joe had sort of he
Speaker 4: had said to her, you are silent partner, right, and
Speaker 4: so all throughout this one when they're having this thread
Speaker 4: continue where he's saying, this is my business, you're the
Speaker 4: silent partner.
Speaker 3: Stopped telling me.
Speaker 4: What to do, and by the end he is She
Speaker 4: gives the hey, I'm done with the gun, and he gives, hey,
Speaker 4: I'm giving you the books, and like they like both.
Speaker 3: Share this do the money part yeah for each other.
Speaker 4: And it's such a sweet scene with the with the
Speaker 4: gift that Daphne or not that Daphne that Joe brings
Speaker 4: for Ja very blurry.
Speaker 3: The gift that Joe, You're so confused.
Speaker 2: It's just because we're middle aged brain now.
Speaker 1: But Dap, who is the transper guy we saw at
Speaker 1: the window. He used to go on those magical motorcycle
Speaker 1: rides with all of you guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what he was the best I am. Yeah
Speaker 2: he was a few times. Yeah, Yeah. I liked how
Speaker 2: in the beginning when Joe brings up, you know, I
Speaker 2: noticed your business and I'm the silent. You just want
Speaker 2: my money and I'm your investor. So she's trying to
Speaker 2: figure out but she has ideas and stuff, and he's
Speaker 2: so testy, what do you mean you don't think I
Speaker 2: can do the money myself. Let's just say it. You
Speaker 2: don't think I can run this business by myself. And
Speaker 2: then by the end they both give in. She's very
Speaker 2: testy when she's defending having a gun and he's like,
Speaker 2: you got to get rid of that. I you know,
Speaker 2: my friend died in my arms with the gun that
Speaker 2: he had, so anyway, it was very I like at
Speaker 2: the end they both compromised. The only way you can
Speaker 2: move to the middle, and they did with that wonderfully
Speaker 2: melrose Place moment of the neon sign that she brings
Speaker 2: to him that says Jake's place, and they do that
Speaker 2: silhouetted kiss in front of it, and it says Jake's place,
Speaker 2: and it's just this beautiful Okay, for now they're coming together.
Speaker 2: It's a good game.
Speaker 1: You finally gissed. You guys did a lot less making
Speaker 1: out in this story. Yeah, so we haven't talked yet
Speaker 1: about Karen's and Rondo, which is great for comic relief.
Speaker 4: That whole storyline. When I saw ray dun Chong's name
Speaker 4: in the credit, so I was like, oh, and I
Speaker 4: totally understood when Ronda's character says, wait, you haven't told
Speaker 4: me what your decorator's name was that you want me
Speaker 4: to meet with, and then you're.
Speaker 2: Like, I can tell you.
Speaker 1: And it was such a good balance right to these
Speaker 1: sort of heavy storylines, especially the poor Alison storyline, So
Speaker 1: they're so light and funny, and raydon Chong is so
Speaker 1: hilarious and Vanessa does such a great job playing along
Speaker 1: with it. Meanwhile, we've got the storyline with Keith and
Speaker 1: Allison and Billy where Alison finally asked Keith to move
Speaker 1: in and then Billy decides to move in with Amanda. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then we have that sad scene at the end.
Speaker 2: That lasted forever and it was so sad.
Speaker 1: Just on Alison being sad, and then she wait a minute, Billy,
Speaker 1: and then she goes, do you want your coffee maker?
Speaker 2: And we're like, no, Oh. It wasn't just sad because
Speaker 2: of the writing. It was as sad because of the shots,
Speaker 2: because she kept turning around and doing close ups on
Speaker 2: you and Courtney, you were so real and so just there.
Speaker 2: And I just saw she's using, that's really my boyfriend
Speaker 2: and I'm never going to see him again. You were
Speaker 2: just like and tears were coming in him and then
Speaker 2: they cut to him and little Andrew slash Billy was
Speaker 2: just like, oh, I don't need the coffee maker. Amanda
Speaker 2: has a big german one gives you everything. Oh.
Speaker 1: And then he says, right before this last scene, she's like, wait,
Speaker 1: where are you going? And he goes, it's not as
Speaker 1: if we thought we were going to spend the rest
Speaker 1: of our lives together.
Speaker 2: And I was like, but we did. We did. It's
Speaker 2: like and then he also does I think, didn't he say, Corney, Well,
Speaker 2: we probably did the best. We like, No, you haven't
Speaker 2: even comes the best.
Speaker 1: You can you more, I haven't even kissed you more
Speaker 1: busy kissing these other people that we want you to
Speaker 1: stop kissing right now.
Speaker 3: You guys were both so good in that scene.
Speaker 4: And it traveled from the bedroom out into the living
Speaker 4: room as he goes and he ends up going out
Speaker 4: the door, but like every back and forth shot and
Speaker 4: the music cues underneath, it was just this gentle piano.
Speaker 4: It was like very unique and very like pure lump
Speaker 4: in your throat watching scene.
Speaker 2: I mean, and that hugo he goes to the door,
Speaker 2: you guys have even hugged and then they cut to
Speaker 2: you and you're going bye, and he's like.
Speaker 1: He decides to give me hugs and you're like, I know,
Speaker 1: he gives me a kiss on the cheek and like
Speaker 1: it's almost a kiss. I thought at first when he
Speaker 1: leaned in, I thought he's gonna kiss her me and
Speaker 1: then this is what life is bloring again, And then
Speaker 1: he didn't. It was a kiss on the cheek and
Speaker 1: a hug, and it's like, oh.
Speaker 2: And all we the audience are going, oh, she's left
Speaker 2: there with what's his name exactly? Yeah, it was wanting
Speaker 2: to seattle the very end. He's like, come on, at
Speaker 2: least look at the you know, check out the things
Speaker 2: of pamphlets. And please just consider it, and.
Speaker 1: You thought about it till right now. But all through
Speaker 1: it she's saying, I don't know if I'm brave enough
Speaker 1: to live and work in la anymore. So that's also
Speaker 1: working with him saying you want to go to Seattle.
Speaker 1: So there's a very good chance.
Speaker 4: And she's got her gonna move walking out the door.
Speaker 4: She no longer has a roommate, so yeah, I don't
Speaker 4: pay through the end, John, it's a good option to
Speaker 4: come in and be her roommate.
Speaker 1: This should have been the cliffhanger. And you know what,
Speaker 1: episode twenty four was probably supposed to be the last episode,
Speaker 1: but then they kept asking episod ten.
Speaker 2: You're obsessed with how bad the ratings were, and she
Speaker 2: thinks every episode we were off air, so this was
Speaker 2: probably it.
Speaker 1: Well, but twenty four would have been. We did twenty
Speaker 1: two then, so twenty four would have been a lot.
Speaker 1: So my guess is this was where they were. This
Speaker 1: was probably going to be the cliffhanger, but then they
Speaker 1: kept adding because the ratings were getting higher and higher.
Speaker 3: Maybe well a lot happened in this one, for sure.
Speaker 4: We've got Bill out into Amanda's apartment, Allison's on the
Speaker 4: verge of considering if she's going to leave for Seattle.
Speaker 4: We didn't see Michael and Jane at all. We saw
Speaker 4: Matt for a beat as he's giving advice to Ronda.
Speaker 2: And there and he was also cleaning the pool.
Speaker 3: And Matt was cleaning the boot was mad that mad.
Speaker 4: I don't think that was Matt. I think that was
Speaker 4: unnamed pool cleaner guy.
Speaker 2: I think pulled around and seen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they would like he was being paid for the episodes.
Speaker 4: They might as well have used his face.
Speaker 2: He was actually cleaning the pool. TV money clean the pool.
Speaker 4: He was just there at work a scene in a
Speaker 4: pool duty for you, Doug. You know I'm not doing
Speaker 4: anything else right now?
Speaker 3: Can I clean the poole?
Speaker 4: You?
Speaker 3: I can fold your footage.
Speaker 2: I'm here all day, my trailer.
Speaker 1: No, I know we have to end. But one quick question,
Speaker 1: Laura U. Did you and Doug ever have a scene
Speaker 1: together where you're just ever on the show where you're
Speaker 1: just talking to each other?
Speaker 3: Yes, we have some sids later.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh good, I'm exciting.
Speaker 1: I don't know episode I couldn't imagine how Sydney and
Speaker 1: Doug would have a conversation there.
Speaker 3: There are some scenes with Sydney and Matt group scenes.
Speaker 2: We're all in group seas together. Something happened somewhere along
Speaker 2: the line. Totally all right, I gotta go see the baby, all.
Speaker 4: Right, have fun, guys, Thanks for tuning into our episode.
Speaker 4: Is still the place to see on a Melrose minute
Speaker 4: and say on the next episode.
Speaker 2: Bye guys, Bye everyone,