1 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorn Smith. 2 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: And Daphne's Aniga an iHeartRadio podcast. Hello friend, how you guys? 3 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 2: I know? 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 3: Are you good as you know? 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 2: Because you can see I have a different background behind 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 2: me with a lot of accolades. I might say this 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: is my uh my half brother's mom and her husband's 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: basement and office and baby rooms, so they kind of 9 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: I could have this for my podcast needs. There's a 10 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,959 Speaker 2: baby bassinette and all kinds of other stuff over there, 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 2: which I'm much. It's all pink and soft. Yeah, it's 12 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 2: a girl. She's adorable. 13 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: And who's a girl, Daphney? Do you want to tell 14 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: us who's my niece? Yay? 15 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: Well could you say? Your name's Zoe? 16 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: Daphne's an auntie. 17 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 2: I'm exciting Auntie Zoe. Yeah, it's uh And so a 18 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: lot of family and friends are coming by. We're up 19 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 2: in San Francisco where they live where I was born, 20 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: oh a few years ago. Yeah, remember last episode. I 21 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: think Chuck was there and he's like, we would be 22 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: writing and going, oh that's a Melrose moment. 23 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: This episode should be called Poor Allison, Bye Bye Billy 24 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: slash Poor Alison. 25 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, so bye bye, Billy it we'll do 26 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: a brief recap here. We open up on Marina del Rey, 27 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 2: which is our marina in La and it's on some 28 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 2: sail boats and beautiful water, and the camera pans up 29 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 2: this very fancy for nineteen ninety two, very modern high rise, 30 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 2: and then we cut inside and we have we see 31 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: these close ups of coffee being poured, toast being buttered, 32 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: flour putting in a vase, the paper being folded and 33 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: put it on a tray. So we don't know who 34 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: it is. But then we pull out and hands are 35 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: walking this tray and it's a who walks into or 36 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: opens her bedroom door and there is a naked Billy 37 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: in her bed. So they had a lovely evening and 38 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 2: she's just like adding tulips to coffee and toast and 39 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: she's in heaven. And so there they are getting frisky 40 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: again and she gets a call and it's her dad, 41 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 2: and her dad said he's coming to town. So she goes, oh, good, 42 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: this is a good chance for my dad to meet Billy, 43 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: my new boyfriend. But Billy says, well, no, I have 44 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 2: a plan to see a play with Alison. And she's 45 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: like oh, come on, nuzzles his neck, talks her out 46 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 2: of it, talks him out of to his previous commitment. Alison, 47 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: she is mugged when she's walking to her car at 48 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 2: night after the play. And a little aside behind the scenes, 49 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 2: that head the head thug guy who grabbed you and 50 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: pushes you against the fence. That's Lee Ehrenberg, who I 51 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: went to UCLA with and who's like the sweetest guy 52 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 2: ever meet, sweetest man. You remember, I do? 53 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: I remember? 54 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 2: Yes, he's the sweetest man, Lee Arenberg. He's done a 55 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 2: lot of work and he usually plays those kind of 56 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: characters because he has that kind of like menacing look, 57 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: but he's like a big teddy bear anyway. So that's 58 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: a very traumatic situation for Allison, and she continues to 59 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: have flashbacks and fear throughout the rest of the episode. 60 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: And it's Keith who is kind of there for her, 61 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: and Billy's not so much there for her. So you see, 62 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 2: with Keith in the picture and with this need that 63 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 2: she has, we see Billy kind of like, well, I 64 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: guess he has her. So he goes moves towards Amanda, 65 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 2: and then Allison sees that you know, well, he's at 66 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 2: Amanda's all the time, says to Keith, why don't you 67 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: want to move into my place? I don't want to 68 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: be alone. So she's very fragile now after this experience, 69 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: and she says, Billy's never there, so why don't you 70 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: move into the apartment and he says, well, of course, 71 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: he says, i'd look to. Simultaneously, we have Joe and 72 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: Jake are trying to navigate. He has the motorcycle shop now, 73 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: and she's trying to figure out how she can be 74 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: a partner not step on his toes, and we'll see 75 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: that kind of comes to a nice compromise at the end. 76 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: But she also tries to help her friend who's been 77 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 2: traumatized by this robbery and does it her way and 78 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: takes her to a shooting range and Alison will have 79 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 2: none of it, is freaked out by the guns, and 80 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: Joe's kind of gearly getting into it that Allison's like, 81 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: I'll be waiting in the car. I can't do this 82 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: gun thing. So that didn't work, and then Joe tells 83 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 2: Jake later that she has a gun and he's like, 84 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 2: you need to get rid of it. She will, And 85 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: then we also have Rnda and Terrence, and Terrence wants 86 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 2: to decorate this big mansion that he bought and it's like, oh, 87 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 2: you have to go meet the decorator that I hired. 88 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 2: And she's like okay, and she goes over to his 89 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: new mansion and it's none other than her old roommate, 90 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 2: Carrie aka Raydon Tong. He plays her again. 91 00:04:58,440 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: That was fun. 92 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, c D crazy roommate and they have a whole 93 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 2: jealousy triangle that they'll have to work out. So this 94 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: really is about navigating the different pairings and of course 95 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 2: at the end everybody. We have the saddest scene in 96 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 2: cinematic history when Belly finds out that Keith has moved in. 97 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: So he figures, well, my time is here. 98 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,799 Speaker 1: Second only to Casablanca, but serious second only. 99 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, maybe it was close, though it was close. 100 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 2: I don't know. If we're in the oscars, I don't know. 101 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: I think BILLI and Allison scene may have won, just. 102 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: Got nominated for very few oscars. I think we do 103 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: need to point there's a. 104 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 3: Couple of reasons for that. We can get into that 105 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 3: in a minute. 106 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 2: Well, now that we're streaming on Paramount Plus, we probably 107 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: would be eligible anyway. Uh, but yeah, that's a sad, 108 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: sad scene. So get your Kleenex and box of wine people, 109 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: because you're gonna need it. 110 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 3: Bye Bye Billy, Bye Bye Billy. 111 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 2: And so that's that's where we end the episode. And 112 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 2: I like we said, let's jump in. 113 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: What a great summary Daphne. 114 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 2: Nice and brief, but really well done, so everyone should 115 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: watch it. I just want to reminder. 116 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: I think I think the main point that we'd all 117 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: like to agree on is there was way too much 118 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: making out with Billy and Amanda. I think the main 119 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: point we want to make enough of that, am I right? 120 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: Enough of that right now? 121 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 4: I will say there there was less of it than 122 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 4: the last episode, which is much more of this. 123 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,799 Speaker 1: Well I noticed the nuzzling, Yes, yeah, because it really 124 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: is slightly less pain for me, your only marker of success, 125 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: slightly less pain for me. 126 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 4: I'm just trying to break it to you that, yes, 127 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 4: there was the making out, but to be honest, it 128 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 4: was less than last episode. I'm still very sad for Alison, 129 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 4: because you know much I'm rooting for Alison, and I 130 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 4: am such a spectator in this in these episodes, like 131 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 4: when you say, Daphne that we hope people are watching 132 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 4: these old shows. It is so fun for me to 133 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 4: go back that I'm watching a show I never saw, right, 134 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 4: and so I'm truly an audience member in these first 135 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 4: in this first season, and so I'm getting invested in 136 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 4: these characters. And of course I'm rooting for my friends 137 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 4: Courtney and Daphney, but I'm really rooting for Alison during 138 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 4: this stretch of time where I. 139 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: Mean funny also watching that scene court you and I 140 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 2: was thinking, Wow, I'm really feeling like like I feel 141 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: so sad and that, and I was like, oh, they're 142 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: dating these she's they're using, they're using emotional connection and 143 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: probably and imagining like never saying like saying goodbye, like Billy, 144 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: You guys are both so good. Andrew was really good too. 145 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: I really felt it. 146 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: What a weird reality I was watching the What a 147 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: weird reality. We probably drove to work together. Then he 148 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: goes and makes that with Heather and I go mack. 149 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 2: Out with and then we. 150 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: Get back in the car, drive home, hopefully make out 151 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: with each other. Maybe we're just tired at that point. 152 00:07:58,560 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: And they were like, I've had about it. 153 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 4: You could reality that you can truly see in this 154 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 4: episode that Alison, the character is annoyed by Keith and 155 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 4: not really very warm and fuzzy. She's like talking herself, 156 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 4: and this is what I'm watching, and I'm the audience member, 157 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 4: so I'm like, this is just what I observe. 158 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 3: I see Alison not very. 159 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 4: Interested in Keith, and she's settling and she's just okay. 160 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 4: And then somehow he manages to like come be the 161 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 4: hero when she's in a dark and scary time in 162 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 4: her life and he happens to be there, and she's 163 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 4: just grateful for that presence, but it's. 164 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 3: Not really she doesn't really like him. 165 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: This is what I see. 166 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 3: And yet when. 167 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 4: She's with Billy, it's just warm and fuzzy and perfect 168 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 4: and you know, like there's chemistry and you like each 169 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 4: other and both and it's so sad to see the 170 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 4: relationship that they're not choosing to have be the one 171 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 4: that's so obviously better on screen. 172 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the first scene with Keith and Allison when 173 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: I'm so far over to the side of the car, 174 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: I'm almost hanging out. 175 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 2: I look about to jump back. Is my car sick? 176 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: Like I literally look sick and so close and I'm like, 177 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: but am I really so close. 178 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 3: Like I was a good four feet away in a 179 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 3: car and you were. 180 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: The notes I made on that scene were that he 181 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: was harassing you for like and mocking you and teasing 182 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 2: you and being starcastic like, oh, we're just but buddies, 183 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 2: We're just pals, you know, and really, and I thought 184 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 2: that was so annoying, like mocking you and being sarcastic 185 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: because you want to go slowly and you're like, do 186 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: you not remember I don't trust you, because like he 187 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 2: never told you he was married before, but remember she 188 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 2: delivered okay, well do you what do you need the papers? 189 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: I'm divorced. I just thought he was yeah. 190 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 4: Well I think Allison was too, because all those lines 191 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 4: that she delivered in that scene were so were that 192 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 4: same level of annoyance. 193 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: Like yeah, he was like literally it did feel like 194 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 2: it was going like this, and then this trauma happens 195 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: to Alison, and so then he's there to save her. 196 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 2: Doesn't it there for her? Over and over? 197 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 4: Doesn't it make you sort of wonder like did Keith 198 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 4: somehow orches straight all this to su I mean, there's 199 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 4: no spoilers here because I don't know where this is going. 200 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 3: This is just. 201 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: Because he does loan her his car car. She says 202 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: she needs to feel like it's not that I really care. 203 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: I just my car's in the shop. Like I don't 204 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: care that you're not going to play with me my cars. 205 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 4: Right, I'm fine going alone. So he knows she's going alone. 206 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 4: He's she's in the borrowed car and you know, going 207 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 4: to the theater district and and all this stuff, and 208 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 4: like just conveniently he's there when she's going down into 209 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 4: the scary laundry room too, like when she thought the 210 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 4: lights burned out? Is that so is that just a coincidence? 211 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 4: Or to watch this is my this is my weariness 212 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 4: level of Keith. I don't trust him at all. I 213 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 4: don't like him at all. And Chuck said very clearly 214 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 4: they needed a villain, they needed a conflict, and like villain. 215 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 3: Is Keith villain? Definitely? 216 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 4: I see him as villain, even though you know they're 217 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 4: painting it like, oh, this is a relationship for Alison 218 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 4: as an audience member. 219 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: Well, I'm taking it very personally. How on Alison's side 220 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: you both are? It really feels like that great conversation, 221 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: like he's the worst, you're the best. So we really 222 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: appreciate it as a I really appreciate the conversation. 223 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 2: But you guys, the writers aren't dumb what you're feeling, Laura, 224 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 2: as an audience member, as you say, I am two, 225 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: we're all feeling it. I think they you know, they 226 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,719 Speaker 2: have specific lines and they're writing it in there. It's 227 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 2: in there. 228 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. 229 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 4: So we got to see why well be revealed. You 230 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 4: sound like you know where it's going. I don't, and 231 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 4: so I'm super excited. I find out this is just what. 232 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 2: I thought I knew. 233 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: But I forgot this. So Alison goes to play gets mugged. 234 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: That scene was terrifying. I completely forgot it. I sort 235 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: of remembered it after, but like hanging on the fence 236 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: and crying like I didn't remember that at all. 237 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 4: You know, they grab her, they grab her purse and 238 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 4: take the key and. 239 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 2: And then he takes you by that back of your 240 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 2: head and over to the. 241 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 4: Yes, shoves your face into the fence. It's it's terrifying, 242 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 4: totally trauma. 243 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 2: Makes me wonder if Keith set it up, because you're 244 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: absolutely right, He's there for every moment, and it felt 245 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: like the Lee Ehrenberg character made it extra scary for 246 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: you to make a bully, and I do remember that. 247 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,359 Speaker 1: And it's funny because I just saw Lee rewatching Seinfeld 248 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: for the thousands time and he has, remember, has that 249 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: fight with Kramer over the parking space. So if people 250 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: don't remember who he is, the guy who's arguing with 251 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: Kramer over the parking space. 252 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: He was amazing in that too. 253 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: But I do remember how incredibly sweet he was, which 254 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: is great because it was really scary. But so often 255 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: don't you find those guys who played that have guys 256 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: are the sweetest guys? 257 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the sweeting you in between. Yes, you have 258 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 2: to practice, you know, you have to go over the 259 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: blocking and stuff. 260 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: But I was surprised, like she couldn't get her key. 261 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: I just assumed watching it that she would get her 262 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: key in time and go in the car. I was 263 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: just as shocked as you or Laura having seen her 264 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: for the first time when she got grabbed and really scary. 265 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,479 Speaker 4: And it was shot in that way that's really startling 266 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 4: and frightening, like that tone in Melrose's place. We're going 267 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 4: to see it in subsequent seasons, like it's going to 268 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 4: come up a lot. I think a lot of you know, traumatizing, 269 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 4: scary stuff happens, especially to the women, as we know. 270 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 4: But I think this is kind of you know, although 271 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 4: Billy was he had his car, you know, beating attack 272 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 4: thingy too. This is a really scary, like the music 273 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 4: is scary. It continues through the episode with the laundry 274 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 4: room and she's going down and she's really fearful, and 275 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 4: just the tone of everything about the show, with the 276 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 4: music and. 277 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 2: Also the camera shots. I mean, no, forget that's Victoria Hope. 278 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 2: She's so good at bringing out the emotion. And I 279 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 2: think she uses like steady cam or handheld a lot, 280 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 2: so that when you use steadycam or handheld, it's not 281 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 2: like locked off on a tripod. You feel vulnerable because 282 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 2: it's moving with you. There's no That's what I felt 283 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: in that scene. And also down in the laundry room, 284 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: there's movement to it, so there's this like creeping feeling 285 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 2: as well. 286 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: And also it's always scary to go down into a 287 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: dark laundry room, right like go down into your basement, 288 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: go down into a dark laundry room. 289 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 2: But didn't you think so? 290 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: So Alison goes down into the dark laundry room. The 291 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: lights are out, she hears a noise. Keith comes down, 292 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: of course her savior. She says, I'm so scared. I'm 293 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: so scared, And I literally said, what about your laundry? 294 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 4: Like, didn't we start to You're going to help you 295 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 4: with your laundry, right, I can't I just. 296 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 3: Abandons the load of laundry. 297 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 2: Well, I'm thinking, yeah, you're traumatized, and why would you 298 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 2: go down in that moment. I'm trying to imagine it 299 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 2: will maybe if I go down in the launderroom and 300 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: I'll feel better if I do my laundry right now. 301 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: Well that'd be like in bed. 302 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say forget it. I can do laundry 303 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 4: tomorrow on the light day. But she must have clearly 304 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 4: known there's like another light switch at the bottom of 305 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 4: the stairs, very conveniently, so I'll just like bravely venture 306 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 4: down and hit this southern light switch. 307 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's trying to be brave. There's a line like 308 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: later on which just got me. It made me laugh. 309 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: Start when when Keith says, and I wrote here, Keith 310 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: is very sweet and thoughtful post mugging. I'm almost rooting 311 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: for him, like he's saying all the right things. 312 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 2: He actually said. 313 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: Don't worry about being strong, being brave. Let me be 314 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: all those things for you, at least for tonight. Then 315 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to hit him because I was like, 316 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: that's really taking advantage of Alison's vulnerability, yeah, and. 317 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 4: Trying to pat himself on the back. I will shoulder 318 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 4: this all for you. 319 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: But he did say the right things right like he 320 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: said it was so scary, don't worry about the car. 321 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: Like he really did say all the right things. So 322 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: I understood. 323 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 2: Why. 324 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: Oh, and how about that scene when so it's post mugging, 325 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: it's the next morning and Alison and Keith are holding 326 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: hands in the doorway and Billy comes in and he 327 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: has no id to what happened. He's just coming and 328 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: apologizing for the play, and he says, how is the play? 329 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: And Allison goes, I don't remember. It all kind of 330 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: slipped my mind once I got carjacked, and I was like, oh, 331 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: she's a master of passive aggression. And then and then 332 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: she walks up and she and he goes, I didn't hear. 333 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: She goes, I tried to reach you, and plays the 334 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: message and she's sobbing and saying, basically, I've just been 335 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: attacked and enjoyed there for me. 336 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 2: She says, listen to it for yourself, and she leaves 337 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 2: with Keith and he's living listening. Poor Billy's by himself, 338 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: hearing you don't traumatize. Yes, He's like, what did I do? Yeah? Yeah, yeah? 339 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 4: And then you know, alongside this, Billy's navigating his thing 340 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 4: with Amanda, Who's who's really catching on that he's preoccupied 341 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 4: with his feelings about Alison and stuff. And she's going, 342 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 4: you know, you don't seem like somebody who just thinks 343 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 4: of her as a friend. You seem to be thinking 344 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 4: of her an awful lot, you know, this guilt over 345 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 4: her not being there for her. 346 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: And how about that shot when when they're in the 347 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: sculpture garden, which sculpture garden that's kind of cool from 348 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:14,479 Speaker 1: place is that? 349 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 2: And I come in and it's this naked. 350 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: Torso of this woman in bronze and we're driving in 351 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: and she's talking, we're driving in. The shot is coming 352 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: in and you see them coming up in the background. 353 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: And did you notice in this scene she says someone 354 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: who loves you? 355 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? 356 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: Do we know that they love each other? Have they 357 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: said the L word yet? 358 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 4: That came out and even Billy didn't say anything about it, 359 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 4: and we're going, excuse me, is that is that a 360 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 4: thing we. 361 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 2: Missast moving fast? 362 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that was the elder. 363 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: And even and before that when he meets the dad, 364 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 2: what about that scene that was hilarious, Like Amanda's father 365 00:17:55,680 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: is teaching Billy the things about whiskey scotch, whiskey scotch, and. 366 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 3: He's like, well, I drink beer and I'm a camp driver. 367 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 2: And I'm like wrong. Thing he wasn't. 368 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 3: He wasn't trying very hard to make a good impression. 369 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 2: I don't think he knew how to be honest. Yeah, 370 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: he was like, well i'd drive out, well, I like beer. 371 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: I thought he was being so sweet, like he wasn't 372 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: putting on airs. 373 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 4: I just think it was he like didn't care to 374 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 4: impress him. He was like not going to. 375 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 2: Try, well that was that would be dumb. I think 376 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 2: so too dumb. 377 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 3: I think so true. 378 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 2: Like Amanda, You've just said, You're like it's like dumb, 379 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 2: like do something. Isn't he smarter? 380 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 4: But like, I don't know, just he was a little 381 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 4: bit like almost defiantly sort of challenging Amanda's dad and 382 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:47,719 Speaker 4: I don't like I don't like Scotch. 383 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 3: I'm a beer drinker. 384 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 4: Like that is kind of dumb if you're gonna try 385 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 4: to make a good impression. So I conclude, well, then 386 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 4: he just wasn't trying, because. 387 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 2: So I'm going to bring this back to me again. 388 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 2: I just realized. Yesterday after saying hi to the baby, 389 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 2: David and I went to One A Vista, which is 390 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: a famous Irish pub here in San Francisco next to 391 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 2: Giadelli Square. It's where Herbcane went all these writers. And 392 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 2: I had an Irish coffee Irish whiskey, and David had 393 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 2: a Guinness so beer drinker Irish And then I looked 394 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 2: the clock. It was like eleven am. 395 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 3: He'd probably been up for hours. 396 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: We've been up for hours watching over the baby. It's 397 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 2: so exhausted. It's five o'clock summer. He goes so meanly. 398 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 2: Her dad goes to her asa as an aside in 399 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 2: the kitchen and says, like, we'll see how long this lies. 400 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's not for you. Wayne Tippit is the actor 401 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 4: who plays Amanda's dad. He's so great and yeah he's. 402 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 2: Great another millions and everything. 403 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just he was perfect but it. 404 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: Does feel early, like I know we snuck in that 405 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: Amanda loves Billy, but it does feel early for him 406 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: to meet her dad right, like, So it's all happening 407 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: very very fast, that that real ship is taking off. 408 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: Billy and Alison and Keith are moving quickly because of 409 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: her trauma. 410 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 4: And by the end of the episode, she's going to 411 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 4: suggest he moves in. Yeah, it's moving fast. Yes, you know, 412 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 4: we don't talk about the L word, but we're also 413 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 4: moving in together super fast. 414 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 2: Well I feel like, yeah, I don't know, And it 415 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 2: feels doesn't it feel like driven by Amanda this close 416 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 2: close close? Doesn't it feel like she's like I want 417 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 2: him and doesn't feel like it's so pushed and initiated 418 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 2: by Billy. Yeah, it feels like, yes, okay, Well she's gorgeous. Yes, 419 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: I dig this, and my roommate slash woman that I 420 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 2: really love is you know, back in Keith's life. 421 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: So also, she's so seductive, like you said, Daphnie started 422 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: off with her making a breakfast in bed. She's so 423 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: gorgeous obviously, and she's more sure than it doesn't. 424 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 2: Look it like. 425 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: Remember you know, Heather said she felt old coming on 426 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: the show. She doesn't look any older than anybody else, 427 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: but she definitely is more sophisticated. He looks like an 428 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: axe like boy next to her, so I think he 429 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: just sort of is letting her lead the way. Who 430 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't like on who could say no to her. I'll 431 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: be like, so beautiful, I'll do this. 432 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 2: Sure he's not. You're right, she is in spite of 433 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 2: how he was. 434 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 4: But she was driving that and saying all right, we're 435 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 4: in this, I love you and you. 436 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: Should move in, and you know that was What do 437 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: you think is the competition for her? Like how much 438 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: of it is stealing Billy from Allison? 439 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 2: Or am I sort of looking into the future. But 440 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 2: I think you're looking like you're projecting. Yeah, I think you, 441 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 2: Allison are projecting. 442 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: Your lines are really blurred for someone Alison does it 443 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: like Andrew Billy, Amanda, Heather Courtney, Elison. 444 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 3: Courtney's really offended by this whole thing. 445 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 2: For Alison, I do think there's touches of that those 446 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 2: Melrose moments where she's like, well, you know, kind of 447 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 2: gives them ultimatums and nuzzles Isna and like, you know, 448 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 2: I'll take you away from her. But I don't think 449 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 2: it's fully that. I think she really digs them from 450 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: the very first episode, way back on what twenty one twelve. 451 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: Well, they had more of this, like this scene and 452 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: you pointed out, Daphne, I'm still mad at you for 453 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: it when they're ice skating and it's so sweet and 454 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: you're kind of rooting for them, Still mad at you 455 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: for it. But in this one, they're walking down, you're 456 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: getting a hot dog and a dirty dog. 457 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 2: A dirty dog. 458 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: Heah, there's dirty others in her, like really fitted sexy plaid. 459 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: So here's the dichotomy, a clothing dichotomy. 460 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 2: She's got this. 461 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: Sexy red plaid suit with a half jacket and a 462 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 1: tight skirt, and I've got this huge plaid jacket. I 463 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: remember that jacket though, and I remember thinking it was 464 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: so cool because had huge shoulder pads that sort of 465 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: hung halfway down my arm. 466 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was like an ll bean or whatever 467 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 2: you like, you know what. 468 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: I think it was now that we're talking about it. 469 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 1: And I literally had a vague memory of this. It 470 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: was because I was so scared. Yeah, I think I 471 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: kept that jacket. 472 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 2: You're still wearing it, come on now. It was a 473 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 2: scene daft. 474 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: You know, this was a scene between you and me 475 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: when I'm folding sheets. 476 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 4: I thought the same thing, like did she just come 477 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 4: over and like you happen to be folding laundry at 478 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 4: the times they're like, hey, help me fold this laundry 479 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 4: and let's chat. 480 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: But doesn't it look like I'm folding up like a 481 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: bed that had been on the couch. 482 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 2: It was very confusing to me. 483 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 4: It was like you folded or you were just folding 484 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 4: the laundry in the living And. 485 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 2: I just remember things we've said this before early on 486 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 2: in our podcast, like well, what can she be doing? 487 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 2: Or you're saying we walk on set, you know, with 488 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 2: your tea or your water going, well, what am I doing? 489 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 2: Expecting somebody there? So they're like well, and then they're like, well, 490 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 2: we got to do it over here. Well let's do 491 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 2: she's folding laundry. And I don't even know if they 492 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 2: tied it into the laundry scene earlier episode No, right. 493 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe or maybe that's what it was and we 494 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 4: didn't get it. 495 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 2: Oh she didn't get it. 496 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: But I'm really glowing and talking about because I had 497 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: spent the night with Keith who now and it's so 498 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: funny because watching it, I didn't at all get what 499 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: you guys were talking about about him taking advantage of. 500 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 2: Her in her moment of need. Now I'm furious. 501 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: I'm furious now what happened. I'm so angry that he 502 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 1: took advantage of her because he did. It was right 503 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: after that I'll be brave for you that they fell 504 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: into bed, and then she's all perky and saying, we 505 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: had it's amazing. 506 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 2: Actually it was amazing. Yeah, And I'm like, well, I'll 507 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: take care of that. I'm taking you to the shooting range. 508 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 2: You know, we're going to go shoot my SIGs hour. 509 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 4: I also thought it was sort of funny, like Joe 510 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 4: was being like, oh, I know how that feels. That's 511 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 4: happened to me, Like, oh, yeah, it happened to me 512 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 4: in New York. 513 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 3: I just, you know, have an evil access in New York. 514 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: She did say that, you're right, I've been mugged. Yeah, 515 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 2: I got this. 516 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 4: Oh well, yeah, I have an idea. Come on, I 517 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 4: know you're scared to go out of the house right 518 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 4: now and you're not going to work, but come on, 519 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 4: let's go. 520 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 3: Let's leave the house. 521 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, And didn't you think it was interesting that Jake 522 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: was so anti gun. So Jake finds out that Joe 523 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: has a gun at home and he does this, He 524 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: just rails on it, talking about his friends who had 525 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: guns and. 526 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 2: They ended up shooting each other. 527 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: I thought that was a nice anti gun message in 528 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: the middle of Melrose Place. 529 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a very like, very clear conversation between 530 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 3: the two characters. That whole scene with Jake. 531 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 4: And Joe is so sweet because their storyline like refers 532 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 4: to the previous episode where Joe had sort of he 533 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 4: had said to her, you are silent partner, right, and 534 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 4: so all throughout this one when they're having this thread 535 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 4: continue where he's saying, this is my business, you're the 536 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 4: silent partner. 537 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 3: Stopped telling me. 538 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 4: What to do, and by the end he is She 539 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 4: gives the hey, I'm done with the gun, and he gives, hey, 540 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 4: I'm giving you the books, and like they like both. 541 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 3: Share this do the money part yeah for each other. 542 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 4: And it's such a sweet scene with the with the 543 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,719 Speaker 4: gift that Daphne or not that Daphne that Joe brings 544 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 4: for Ja very blurry. 545 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 3: The gift that Joe, You're so confused. 546 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 2: It's just because we're middle aged brain now. 547 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: But Dap, who is the transper guy we saw at 548 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: the window. He used to go on those magical motorcycle 549 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: rides with all of you guys. 550 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what he was the best I am. Yeah 551 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 2: he was a few times. Yeah, Yeah. I liked how 552 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 2: in the beginning when Joe brings up, you know, I 553 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 2: noticed your business and I'm the silent. You just want 554 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 2: my money and I'm your investor. So she's trying to 555 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 2: figure out but she has ideas and stuff, and he's 556 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 2: so testy, what do you mean you don't think I 557 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 2: can do the money myself. Let's just say it. You 558 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 2: don't think I can run this business by myself. And 559 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: then by the end they both give in. She's very 560 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 2: testy when she's defending having a gun and he's like, 561 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 2: you got to get rid of that. I you know, 562 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 2: my friend died in my arms with the gun that 563 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 2: he had, so anyway, it was very I like at 564 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 2: the end they both compromised. The only way you can 565 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 2: move to the middle, and they did with that wonderfully 566 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 2: melrose Place moment of the neon sign that she brings 567 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 2: to him that says Jake's place, and they do that 568 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: silhouetted kiss in front of it, and it says Jake's place, 569 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 2: and it's just this beautiful Okay, for now they're coming together. 570 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 2: It's a good game. 571 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: You finally gissed. You guys did a lot less making 572 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: out in this story. Yeah, so we haven't talked yet 573 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: about Karen's and Rondo, which is great for comic relief. 574 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 4: That whole storyline. When I saw ray dun Chong's name 575 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 4: in the credit, so I was like, oh, and I 576 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 4: totally understood when Ronda's character says, wait, you haven't told 577 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 4: me what your decorator's name was that you want me 578 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 4: to meet with, and then you're. 579 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 2: Like, I can tell you. 580 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: And it was such a good balance right to these 581 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: sort of heavy storylines, especially the poor Alison storyline, So 582 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: they're so light and funny, and raydon Chong is so 583 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: hilarious and Vanessa does such a great job playing along 584 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: with it. Meanwhile, we've got the storyline with Keith and 585 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: Allison and Billy where Alison finally asked Keith to move 586 00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 1: in and then Billy decides to move in with Amanda. Yeah, 587 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: and then we have that sad scene at the end. 588 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 2: That lasted forever and it was so sad. 589 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: Just on Alison being sad, and then she wait a minute, Billy, 590 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: and then she goes, do you want your coffee maker? 591 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 2: And we're like, no, Oh. It wasn't just sad because 592 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 2: of the writing. It was as sad because of the shots, 593 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 2: because she kept turning around and doing close ups on 594 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 2: you and Courtney, you were so real and so just there. 595 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 2: And I just saw she's using, that's really my boyfriend 596 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 2: and I'm never going to see him again. You were 597 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 2: just like and tears were coming in him and then 598 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 2: they cut to him and little Andrew slash Billy was 599 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 2: just like, oh, I don't need the coffee maker. Amanda 600 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 2: has a big german one gives you everything. Oh. 601 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: And then he says, right before this last scene, she's like, wait, 602 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: where are you going? And he goes, it's not as 603 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: if we thought we were going to spend the rest 604 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: of our lives together. 605 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 2: And I was like, but we did. We did. It's 606 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 2: like and then he also does I think, didn't he say, Corney, Well, 607 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 2: we probably did the best. We like, No, you haven't 608 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 2: even comes the best. 609 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: You can you more, I haven't even kissed you more 610 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: busy kissing these other people that we want you to 611 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: stop kissing right now. 612 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 3: You guys were both so good in that scene. 613 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 4: And it traveled from the bedroom out into the living 614 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 4: room as he goes and he ends up going out 615 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 4: the door, but like every back and forth shot and 616 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 4: the music cues underneath, it was just this gentle piano. 617 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 4: It was like very unique and very like pure lump 618 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 4: in your throat watching scene. 619 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 2: I mean, and that hugo he goes to the door, 620 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: you guys have even hugged and then they cut to 621 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 2: you and you're going bye, and he's like. 622 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: He decides to give me hugs and you're like, I know, 623 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: he gives me a kiss on the cheek and like 624 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: it's almost a kiss. I thought at first when he 625 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: leaned in, I thought he's gonna kiss her me and 626 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: then this is what life is bloring again, And then 627 00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: he didn't. It was a kiss on the cheek and 628 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: a hug, and it's like, oh. 629 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 2: And all we the audience are going, oh, she's left 630 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 2: there with what's his name exactly? Yeah, it was wanting 631 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 2: to seattle the very end. He's like, come on, at 632 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 2: least look at the you know, check out the things 633 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 2: of pamphlets. And please just consider it, and. 634 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: You thought about it till right now. But all through 635 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: it she's saying, I don't know if I'm brave enough 636 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: to live and work in la anymore. So that's also 637 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: working with him saying you want to go to Seattle. 638 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: So there's a very good chance. 639 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 4: And she's got her gonna move walking out the door. 640 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 4: She no longer has a roommate, so yeah, I don't 641 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 4: pay through the end, John, it's a good option to 642 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 4: come in and be her roommate. 643 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: This should have been the cliffhanger. And you know what, 644 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: episode twenty four was probably supposed to be the last episode, 645 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: but then they kept asking episod ten. 646 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 2: You're obsessed with how bad the ratings were, and she 647 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 2: thinks every episode we were off air, so this was 648 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 2: probably it. 649 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: Well, but twenty four would have been. We did twenty 650 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: two then, so twenty four would have been a lot. 651 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: So my guess is this was where they were. This 652 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: was probably going to be the cliffhanger, but then they 653 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: kept adding because the ratings were getting higher and higher. 654 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 3: Maybe well a lot happened in this one, for sure. 655 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 4: We've got Bill out into Amanda's apartment, Allison's on the 656 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 4: verge of considering if she's going to leave for Seattle. 657 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 4: We didn't see Michael and Jane at all. We saw 658 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 4: Matt for a beat as he's giving advice to Ronda. 659 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 2: And there and he was also cleaning the pool. 660 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 3: And Matt was cleaning the boot was mad that mad. 661 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 4: I don't think that was Matt. I think that was 662 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 4: unnamed pool cleaner guy. 663 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 2: I think pulled around and seen. 664 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, they would like he was being paid for the episodes. 665 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 4: They might as well have used his face. 666 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: He was actually cleaning the pool. TV money clean the pool. 667 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 4: He was just there at work a scene in a 668 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 4: pool duty for you, Doug. You know I'm not doing 669 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 4: anything else right now? 670 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 3: Can I clean the poole? 671 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 4: You? 672 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 3: I can fold your footage. 673 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 2: I'm here all day, my trailer. 674 00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: No, I know we have to end. But one quick question, 675 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: Laura U. Did you and Doug ever have a scene 676 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: together where you're just ever on the show where you're 677 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: just talking to each other? 678 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 3: Yes, we have some sids later. 679 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 2: Okay, oh good, I'm exciting. 680 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: I don't know episode I couldn't imagine how Sydney and 681 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: Doug would have a conversation there. 682 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 3: There are some scenes with Sydney and Matt group scenes. 683 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 2: We're all in group seas together. Something happened somewhere along 684 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 2: the line. Totally all right, I gotta go see the baby, all. 685 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 4: Right, have fun, guys, Thanks for tuning into our episode. 686 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 4: Is still the place to see on a Melrose minute 687 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 4: and say on the next episode. 688 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 2: Bye guys, Bye everyone,