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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, welcome back to Killers amongst Us,

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Speaker 1: a production of iHeartMedia and Crime Online. How does a

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Speaker 1: serial killers are few and far between. But has Lois

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Speaker 1: Reese proven all the experts wrong? I, Nancy Grace, this

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Speaker 1: is Killers amongst Us. It all starts, I believe it

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Speaker 1: or not a worm farm. Take a listen to our

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Speaker 1: friends at Devil We Know. On March twenty third, eighteen,

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Speaker 1: after receiving the missing person's report, the police discovered Dave's

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Speaker 1: when his friend received the text message, which meant someone

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Speaker 1: else had undoubtedly sent the text message. The police had

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Speaker 1: one question, however, where was Dave's wife? Lois Well? That

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Speaker 1: was just the beginning of a ball of yarn that

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Speaker 1: be unraveled. But very quickly This emerged video from a

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Speaker 1: way to go. She certainly sounds chipper if she knows

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Speaker 1: Does she even know he's dead, because if she does,

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Speaker 1: we learn, Lois Reese is a gambling addict. She has

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Speaker 1: told tens of thousands of dollars from her disabled sister

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Speaker 1: after she Lois Reese was appointed guardian over the disabled sister.

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Speaker 1: What else would she do for money to gamble? You know,

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Speaker 1: when I was traveling out in that neck of the woods,

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Speaker 1: pop casino to get pancakes. Yeah, so it's everywhere. Who knew?

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Speaker 1: But the big question is where is Lois Reese? That

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Speaker 1: absolutely was her joining me an All Star panel. Ashley Wilcott,

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Speaker 1: judge and trial lawyer, Court TV anchor at Ashley Wilcott

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Speaker 1: dot com. We're now psycho. Allen's joining me from Beverly Hills.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall thirty six years Seattle PD twenty two

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Speaker 1: of that homicide author Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer, Gary Jean Grant,

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Speaker 1: Cloyd Steiger at Cloyd Steiger dot com. Joseph Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My

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Speaker 1: Feet and star of a Nie Yeres Poisonous Liaisons on

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Speaker 1: True Crime Network, Tess Coster joining us special guest friend

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Speaker 1: of David and Lois Reese in Minnesota. Who calls nine

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Speaker 1: one one and where do you find out? Why? Killen

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Speaker 1: Thompson KMT News three, Rochester and Amanda Hall reported Wink

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Speaker 1: coming go all right, Callen Thompson KIMT News three, Rochester.

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Speaker 1: Where is the come and go in relation to David

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Speaker 1: Reese's dead body in the bathroom. Sure, it's only about

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Speaker 1: a forty five minute drive from Blooming Prairie. And this

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Speaker 1: her asking for directions, But where's she trying to go? Killen? What?

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Speaker 1: You know? When we see her on the surveillance camera

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Speaker 1: And it for sure does. If you keep going, you'll

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Speaker 1: joining me right now, longtime friend of murder victim David

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Speaker 1: Reese and wife Lois test cost her test? Does this

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Speaker 1: sound like the Lois that you knew Lois opened Dave here.

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Speaker 1: she also bought a sandwich. Clearly, to you, doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst,

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Speaker 1: murdering her husband had not affected her appetite, Nancy, it

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Speaker 1: that what was happening for Lois Reese, as with so

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Speaker 1: many women who kill, is she wanted an idealized life.

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Speaker 1: This is why Casey Anthony killed, Why Jodi Arias killed,

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Speaker 1: Very often we hear about killers going and chowing down

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Speaker 1: after the murders. I was thinking about, specifically a little

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Speaker 1: to do what I want, guess what else, I'm hungry.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do what I want, and I'm gonna do

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Speaker 1: it an excess, just like I committed a crime that

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Speaker 1: That's just that's a that's an outright challenge. Okay, she

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Speaker 1: do think I do think Ashley will call it his right.

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Speaker 1: But that's why I said these women murder because a

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Speaker 1: Why can't we catch this woman? How can this woman

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Speaker 1: John David. That's because it's your phone, right, But to

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Speaker 1: Kellen Thompson KIMT News. What's a typical winter weather in Rochester, Rochester,

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Speaker 1: Minnesota is bone chilling cold. Those winters can get really

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Speaker 1: She goes from bone chilling, as you describe it accurately,

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Speaker 1: whether in Rochester to your neck of the woods Atmanda Hall, Wi,

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Speaker 1: the nineties, Nancy gapshe Josie seven mile island of Fort

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Speaker 1: So everything is turned upside down for Lois Reese. She's

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Speaker 1: swapping everything out for a new life. But then to

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Speaker 1: Lois Reese re emerging in your life? He Ashley was

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Speaker 1: Louis Freeze captured on video using Hutchinson's information to get

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Speaker 1: five grand from a bank account, then pulls up at

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Speaker 1: a hotel to order a room service and movies in

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Speaker 1: room movies in Hutchinson's car with Hutchinson's driver's licenses and

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Speaker 1: driver's license and credit cards. She's assumed not only her ID,

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Speaker 1: but her car, her insurance, her credit cards, even her hat.

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Speaker 1: Does this woman no shame? And back to you? Test

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Speaker 1: cost her. You were right to be physically ill for

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Speaker 1: the next two days, ill with fear. You had to

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Speaker 1: be afraid that she had been coming after you. Yes,

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Speaker 1: after the fact. At first they thought she was just

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Speaker 1: wanting to squat in one of my houses, find a

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Speaker 1: place to live for free. Then after the whole Pamela

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Speaker 1: thing happened, then I started thinking back, Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: I do look a lot like her, same heights, blonde hair,

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Speaker 1: same statue, So I thinking it could have been me.

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Speaker 1: That's a scary thought. So, seven days after test costs

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Speaker 1: her Spots or old buddy Lois Reese, Pam Hutchinson's body

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Speaker 1: was found. Correct, Pam's time share condo less than a

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Speaker 1: block murder was one block from our house in Snug Harbor,

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Speaker 1: on the fourth floor. At a distance. You could be

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Speaker 1: a sister of Ess. But didn't the deputies tell you

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Speaker 1: that Lois could have very well been coming after you

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Speaker 1: the day that I went into identify her on all

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Speaker 1: the videotapes. Yes, they commented that we did look similar.

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Speaker 1: And those videotapes they were heartbreaking, just heart wrenching. They

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Speaker 1: had her in the hall which they had her in

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Speaker 1: the hallway of Snug Harbor, apparently about right after the murder,

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Speaker 1: pacing back and forth, going to the elevator, then going

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Speaker 1: back toward the door and going to the elevator and

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Speaker 1: pacing back and forth. But they had a videotape of

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Speaker 1: her the next day on Friday, loading her Pamela's car

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Speaker 1: actually with things, and according to the sheriff, the hat

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Speaker 1: was even Pamela's that she was wearing. And then they

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Speaker 1: had photos of her at the ATM machine with Pamela's

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Speaker 1: hat on, withdrawing money from Pamela's account. They also had

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Speaker 1: the d of her at Smulkin Oyster Brewery when her

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Speaker 1: and Pamela were first meeting, and her swinging her long

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Speaker 1: platinum hair that was on TV quite often. So Lois

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Speaker 1: Reese is now assuming pam Hutchinson identity. But where is

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Speaker 1: she headed? Listen wanted The nationwide hunt for the accused

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Speaker 1: killer Grandma just escalated big time. Giant new billboards are

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Speaker 1: going up in Force States, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California.

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Speaker 1: They feature the face of fifty six year old Lois

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Speaker 1: Reese being sought for the slaying of her look alike

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Speaker 1: in Fort Myers, Florida. The US Marshall Service has assumed

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Speaker 1: command of the search. This case has really grabbed the

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Speaker 1: attention of the nation. Now look at this. It's the

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Speaker 1: image of a middle aged woman robbing a bank in Pasadena, California.

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Speaker 1: She's wearing a hat and glasses, and she's about the

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Speaker 1: same age and body type as Lois Reese. Could that

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Speaker 1: be her? We are receiving several tips. Some are are

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Speaker 1: very credible and some are not so credible. Reese was

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Speaker 1: last seen in Corpus Christi, Texas, driving a white Accuras

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Speaker 1: she allegedly stole from her last victim, Pamela Hutchinson, who

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Speaker 1: copsay was targeted by Reese because they looked so much alike.

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Speaker 1: Where will Lois Reese turn up next? And who will

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Speaker 1: be her next victim? Maybe she'll pull up at a

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Speaker 1: red light beside you. Nancy Grace killers amongst us signing

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Speaker 1: off goodbye for