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He made his debut at Wrigley Thursday 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:33.560 Night Hall of Fame game. Carson Beck versus Kenny Pickett. 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:37.039 The Falcons have lost Jalen Walker. He's got a torn 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:42.360 acl The Ravens lock up Zay Flowers. He got paid. 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:45.880 The Bears locked up offensive tackle Darnell Wright. So those 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:49.680 are some of your headlines, by the way, Because of 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:54.680 the nature of the payment, the live tourt still owes 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:59.520 John Rahm about one hundred and fifty million dollars. Good 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:03.480 luck yet that now he's earned almost one hundred million 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:10.920 dollars in live earnings already. But they could file bankruptcy 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:16.160 and full liquidation, and then John Rahm would probably not 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:19.280 get paid one hundred and fifty million dollars that he's owed. 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:21.800 A lot of these guys who first went to live 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:25.400 they got most of that money up front. John ram 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.400 had it on the back end. But it looks like 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.760 he might get the hundred million that he's earned, but 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:36.200 not the one hundred and fifty that he's owed. How 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:40.920 how can you declare bankruptcy with a you know, the 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:44.800 Saudi Fund, they've got hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:48.280 billions of dollars. That's the curious part of this that 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:55.160 you're going to say that this portion is bankrupt here, okay, 0:02:56.240 --> 0:03:00.160 And I don't know how John rom fights this, hybe. 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:06.760 It's just that you're declaring bankruptcy. Chapter seven bankruptcy as 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:10.840 opposed to chapter eleven. I think chapter eleven is restructuring. 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:16.680 Chapter seven, for bankruptcy is full liquidation. If I know 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:21.320 my bankruptcy laws here, but I don't know if bankruptcy 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:26.760 would help them. Maybe they renegotiate what they owe Jen Rahm, 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:30.840 I don't know, but does this go to a higher court, 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:33.560 like for one hundred and fifty million dollars? I don't 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:36.400 know the other golfers who were involved in this on 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:39.480 who would be on the back end as far as 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:43.920 their payments. I think Bryson de Shamba was that there 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:47.600 were talks of, you know, five hundred million dollar extension. 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:52.760 Obviously that's not happening, but yeah, just interesting stuff. 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:53.200 You know. 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:57.120 It feels like the Live tour was on life support 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.040 and then all of a sudden, oh there's going to 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:00.720 be an influx of money. They're going to try to 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:04.600 keep this going. Everything I've heard since January is it 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:06.920 was going to die of slow death, and that's exactly 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:08.120 what's happened. Yeah, Paulie. 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:08.440 Yeah. 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.360 According to Golf Monthly, the Live Tour is still actively 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:15.840 participating in events the Bedminster this week, and the new CEO, 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.919 Scott Neil, is still in talks with investors about having 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:20.400 some type of season next year. 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:21.240 Yeah. 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:26.080 Well, good luck with that, Matt Boyer. No, I mean, 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.640 I still don't know how they thought this was going 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:32.279 to be something that people were going to watch and 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.040 it was all of a sudden going to Now. Has 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:38.279 the PGA Tour benefited Absolutely. Have they adopted some of 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:45.039 the things that Live was presenting. Absolutely, But you're trying 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.800 to do this around the world and people just weren't interested. 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:53.760 Yeah, Dylan, Yes, I'm seeing Actually, like just today it 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:58.680 says that they've secured funding from an unnamed investor that 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:00.880 will keep the circuit alive, But it seems like that 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:04.680 would basically just cover what's owed to golfers right now. 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:07.560 So it's like putting a band aid on a musketball. 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:11.360 There's still the larger issue of like Maintaining and running. 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.840 The League Age seven to seven to three DP show 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:17.360 Get to Your Phone Calls. He is the two time 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:22.360 Amazon best selling author speak speaker. He was the bookmaker 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:25.839 at the center of the show Heyo Tani epe Misuhara 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:30.440 sports betting scandal. Matt Boyer was sentenced to one year 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:34.520 in a day pleading guilty for money laundering, falsified tax returns, 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:38.680 illegal book making. I talked to him after yesterday's show, 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:41.560 and I started out by asking him, when is the 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:45.400 first time you took a bet from Sho Heeo Tani's interpreter. 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:48.840 I believe it's twenty twenty one, that the end of 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:52.040 the the end of the season of twenty twenty one. 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:54.279 How were you introduced? 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:59.240 I actually met him at a poker game after I 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:02.640 was introduced to him by going to a private booker 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.000 game with some of the Angels players and coaches and 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:08.320 friends at a local hilton in San Diego. 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:13.600 When did you realize that he worked for show Hair, I. 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:15.720 Mean I knew right away, of course, I mean who didn't, 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:19.680 right He was such a popular character, probably the most 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:22.560 popular interpreter in the world thanks to show. 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:27.679 Hey of course, at what's your role as a bookie 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:33.200 of keeping somebody betting, but also is there a sympathetic 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.280 side to being a bookie when you realize somebody is 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:37.480 in a lot of trouble. 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:39.440 Yeah, that's a fine line. 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.840 As a legal book maker, you're giving out credit, and 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.839 it's a tough way of trying to make a living 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:49.200 but also not being greedy and egotistical and then trying 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:52.240 to maintain giving someone in a relationship to where you're 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:55.440 not hurting their family or their situation with their bills 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:57.800 or It's a very fine line. The more you get 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:00.480 to know the person and more you underst stand them 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.360 and what they do for a living, then the more 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:05.080 you can help them if they are having a gambling problem, 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.640 which you know, I personally had one as well, so 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.840 I understand that dynamic better than anyone. But you're right, 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.080 it's a it's a hard line to figure out, and 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.840 sometimes they're Oftentimes they're lying to you because they're gambling 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:18.560 with you and they want to give you them an 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:20.720 impression that it's not affecting them, you know, at home 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.000 or financially, because they want to continue to bet with 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.680 you or get credit or ask you for more credit. 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:30.840 So those are the situations that come up. They're hard to. 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:34.480 I'm going to say, run and figure out, because when 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:37.280 you are dealing with these people, you know, at least 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:38.600 in my case, you have a heart. I mean, the 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:40.000 last thing you want to see is if someone just 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:40.880 losing more money than. 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:41.440 They can afford. 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:45.920 Yeah, but at what point are you allowed or do 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.800 you ask that's a lot of money you're betting to 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:50.480 show Hey. No, you're betting this. 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:54.400 Truth be told. When EPA came to me, it was 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:56.800 a tiny account. It was one thousand and eight thousand 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:59.320 dollars credit line, so I you know, initially I thought 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:02.920 it was no big deal, and then that escalated very 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.640 rapidly to the point of about thirty days later we 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:07.240 were at a half a million to a million dollar 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.000 credit line. And then I knew at that point it 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.600 had to be either show Hay or him together, or 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:14.800 maybe he, you know, had some funds. 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:15.680 I didn't know about him. 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:19.280 You really don't know everyone's personal private lifestyle. Maybe he 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:21.640 was a large investor in something. But then when I 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:23.960 started getting into the point of millions and millions, then 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:27.840 I knew that either show Hey was involved or they 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:30.800 were partners. I wasn't really sure, and I didn't ask 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:33.920 a lot of questions because animinity in my business when 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:37.280 I was running a book making operation was key. I 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:40.000 had a lot of clients in celebrities and athletes CEOs 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:43.960 that were very private and that's why they liked working 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:47.200 with me because of that privacy. But at the same time, 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:49.400 I was being paid, you know, five hundred thousand dollars 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:52.439 every two weeks. So the greedy sided me of running 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.320 a business and making a lot of money was just like, 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.559 you know, everything's running smoothly. He's not even making any 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:01.800 signs of you know, panicking or even really was laughing 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:04.560 and making fun of himself quite often. If you look 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:08.000 at the text messages that the government throughout, which is 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.280 there was quite a few of them, you could see 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:12.600 us joking back and forth about both of us being 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:16.719 degenerates and losing money through book makers, slash casinos, etc. 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:22.400 So you didn't know that sho Hey O Tani knew 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.680 not for a fact, right, Yeah. 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:27.480 I mean I didn't have a relationship with show Hey 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:28.520 at that time. 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:31.920 He spoke very little English. And I've been around the 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.240 team and some players. I used to play golf with 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:36.920 some of the players and gamble with them, and quite 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:39.880 a few of the Angels players were betting through my organization, 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:45.160 but my relationship was with DPE. I never spoke about 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:48.400 anything outside of that to even the players, even like, 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:50.680 for example, some of the players were betting with me, 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:52.880 I wouldn't discuss their business with the other players. 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:55.520 That being said, I don't think a lot. 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:58.000 Of these guys knew I'm saying I'm talking about the 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.800 Angels players knew the extent of what was going on 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.360 because EPA was very private, didn't have a lot to say, 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:07.880 you know, very very wanted things to be low key. 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.800 I realized now why at the time I thought, personally, 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.240 I thought show he was betting with him, because the 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.360 amount of bets that they were making and clearly an 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:17.920 amount of money that was being wired. 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:19.720 I just figured he had. 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:21.560 To have known, especially with that long period of time 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.520 and you're seeing five hundred thousand OAR wires come out 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:24.959 about to count every two weeks. 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:26.439 For basically a year and a half. 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.320 I just, even to this day, I still don't understand 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:34.320 how Showhy didn't wasn't aware. I do believe wholeheartedly that 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.880 he never gambled. I don't think he was placing any 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:38.880 of the bets or involved in that part at all. 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:43.200 He's Matt Boyer, two time Amazon best selling author and 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:46.000 at the center of the show. Hey Utani, if a 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:50.240 Musicuhara sports betting scandal, how many athletes give us a 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:55.240 sense are betting this way that you dealt with that 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:59.200 we're betting through a booking, I asked him. 0:10:59.280 --> 0:10:59.960 At least fifth. 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:04.280 It's probably even higher because the reality is everyone's using 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.080 third party people and beards and people to vet through. 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:09.160 You know, let's be real. 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:13.760 Competitive athletes are very competitive in everything they do, and 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:16.440 sports is if you're a sports fan, as you and 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:19.600 I both are, we watch all sports, and whether you 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:23.120 gamble or not, you generally like to have some sort 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.160 of play in the game, whether it's fantasy betting a friend, 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:27.560 you know, you go, I don't know about you. 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:28.360 Do you even golf? 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:29.040 Dan? 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.920 I golf. I'm a guy who gambled a long, long, 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.400 long time ago and quit cold turkey. 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:36.040 Yeah? 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:38.320 You, so you don't gamble on the golf course? Five bucks? 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:38.840 Seven bucks? 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:39.160 Nothink? 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:41.320 Okay, that's rare, right, I mean if you if you 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.600 go to a golf course, you'll see that most people 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:45.640 that golf. Whether they gamble a lot or little, it's 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:48.360 usually a dollar or five dollars, twenty dollars whatever. Most 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.000 people gamble almost everything they do when it comes to that. 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.520 I think athletes are even higher because the fact they're 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:57.400 so competitive and they like to win it all cost But. 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:00.280 Of course there's current athletes, Matt, these are current leads 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:01.520 who are still betting. 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:03.800 Definitely, Yeah, no doubt. 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.439 How many bookies are there left in America? 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:13.600 Millions? I mean they're everywhere, literally throughout the country. There's 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.800 at least a million book makers. Now, some of them 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.839 might only have ten or twenty clients, you know, very small. 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:21.920 There's a lot of small operations that are just local 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:23.760 bookmakers at golf courses or whatnot. 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:25.000 But there's millions. 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.160 Yeah. I just didn't know if it was a shrinking 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.920 because you have all these other gambling sites where you 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:34.160 can go and do it above board. But a lot 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.520 of guys love that, you know, they're not paying taxes 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.640 that you know, you can do it in a clandestine way. 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:43.960 So what's next for you? 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:47.440 You know, I'm excited about this journey. I'm rebuilding, as 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:49.000 you know you just said, I have two books that 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:50.760 I produced one of them. I just did right when 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.920 I got out of prison, and public speaking and giving 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:57.920 back to people that you know, maybe hopefully NFL. 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.000 Teams, NBA teams, college athlete. 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:02.760 I'd like to go to these schools and you know, 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:06.080 universities and give a public speaking event to where I 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:09.120 can help these kids avoid going down the wrong path. 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.000 I have the best experience because I've been on both sides, 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.000 not always a gambler, but as a bookmaker and dealing 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:17.600 with athletes, and I understand that it's easy to follow 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:20.600 into that trap of you know, not only betting yourself, 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.640 but maybe trying to sway a game, you know, fixing 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:25.640 a game to make a few extra dollars, especially these 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:27.959 college athletes. And now you're singing in with all these 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:31.079 pros that are you know, Terry Rosier and Chauncey Billups 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:33.920 and guys that you would never anticipate getting into trouble 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.920 because they're wealthy and you know they're NBA athletes. But 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:40.400 it's sad that it's happening. If I could persuade a 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.719 kid from doing that, or a professional athlete, then by 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.040 giving a public speaking event, then I feel like I'm 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:48.680 doing something great. So I plan on doing that and 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:52.760 just building my personal brand. 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.880 Did you take any action? Were there any suspicious bets 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:57.960 where you thought somebody might be fixing a game? 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.040 You know, just in the US, there was a particular 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:04.160 fight that I saw a lot of people coming in 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:07.160 vetting on and there was a fight that was rigged 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.240 and they got caught and they obviously got barred from 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:14.520 the UFC tennis matches. I saw quite a bit lower level, 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.320 you know, like the two three hundred, top three hundred 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:20.120 players in the in the nation, not these high level 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.240 ones that I'm aware of, you know, top twenty, top 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:25.200 one hundred. So those are the usually the guys who 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.400 are really not making a ton of money, that are, 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:29.880 you know, trying to find other edges to make an 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:31.640 earning on the side, sadly the wrong way. 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:34.960 If I ask you to fix a sporting event, which 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:35.800 one are you fixing? 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:41.680 Tennis is the easiest by far, not even close, I mean, 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:45.520 because you can make it so unobvious by you know, 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.920 just playing a particular set or a game for example, 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.720 you know, tennis works you got to win, and men's 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.040 usually three out of five. I mean, you could just 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.520 throw set one, come back and win the next you 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.160 know three, And if you throw set one and you're 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.119 a favorite, especially then the underdog is the value. 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:06.600 Is very big on that sounds like that's happened many times. 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:08.480 I mean, if you think about it in tennis, drat 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:12.560 to tennis wise, you still win. So the guy who 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:15.360 threw set one can still win the match and still 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:18.400 get paid and still keep his status, and nobody really 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.760 gets harmed in that sense in his mind. Of course, 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.280 there's somebody getting harmed who's gambling on the sport and 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.840 has basically betting a bet that they're going to lose, 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:27.080 and they. 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:27.720 Don't even know it. 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.600 And the integrity of the sport more importantly is the problem. 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:33.000 And that's that's what I hate to see more than anything. 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:35.680 I knew in twenty eighteen when gambling became legal this 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:37.720 was going to happen, and I've been saying it even 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:39.760 before I went to prison, that it's only going to 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:42.000 get worse. And really, what you're going to see the 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:44.560 sad part is these young kids. You know, I have 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:48.680 five children, and three of them are young adults who 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:51.840 have their you know, boyfriends or kids come over and 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:52.840 I hear it all day long. 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:54.080 They're all gambling and they're young. 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:56.880 Yeah, and well I agree that. Yeah, that's a sweet 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.760 spot of eighteen to twenty four. Men keeps saying I've 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:04.080 been down that road, and thank god I wise enough 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:07.800 to quit gambling because I see where we're headed with this. 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.200 Are you worried about your safety at all through all 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:10.480 of this? 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:13.480 No, definitely not. I mean, don't get me wrong. Anything 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.400 can happen, especially this crazy world we're living in it. 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.960 But you know I've been I made my peace with everybody. 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:21.920 I've done everything I can to make it right. And 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:24.960 you know, I'm not an angel. I've done some things 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:27.360 in my life I'm not so proud of, but I've done. 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:28.080 More than I am proud of. 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:30.600 So I don't I don't really have any any means 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:32.480 per se that are looking for me. 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:36.440 So no, thanks for joining us, Matt, Good luck with 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:37.440 the journey. 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:39.840 Thanks for having me, Dan, I really appreciate spending honor. 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:45.240 That's Matt Boyer. We did the interview yesterday after the show. Look, 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:49.160 I don't want to glamorize anything with this person. I 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:52.880 know he's got an agenda. I know that he's got 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.640 to make money. You know, the government ten million dollars. 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.680 From what I'm told, probably wants to look at doing 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:04.240 a movie deal on this. So there's a lot involved, 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.200 you know, the tennis aspect of fixing a tennis match, 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:14.679 and we've had examples of this. It's happened recently. The 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:20.960 number of players athletes who do bet through bookies. Now, 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:24.040 there was no DraftKings or FanDuel. When I was growing up, 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:27.280 I bet through a bookie. If I was growing up now, 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.680 i'd be all over that app. I wouldn't be going 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.600 through a bookie. But a lot of people don't want 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.480 people to know what they're doing. They don't want you 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.480 to be able to follow their activity that they want 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.560 to be able to do something clean. It's with somebody. 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:44.560 You don't know how much I'm making or how much 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.480 I lost, so there's less of a paper trail. I 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.680 understand that it's going to continue. That's why I wanted 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.600 to know how many bookies. I was told there's probably 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:59.639 ten real bookies left in America. Like prominent bookies. Now 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.399 you have guys who will take some action, But as 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:08.120 far as true bookies, a source told me probably ten 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:12.119 major players in America. All right, we'll take a break. 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.760 Get the phone calls coming up. 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Check us out 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:55.760 on YouTube and subscribe. 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:00.639 Full disclosure. I did have some trepidation about out having 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:06.960 the bookmaker for Shoheo Tani's interpreter on because and I've 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:11.600 talked about this and I speak from firsthand experience. If 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:15.080 I was eighteen nineteen, twenty twenty one, twenty two and 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:18.160 I had a chance to bet whenever I wanted to bet, 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:20.480 and I could do that on an app. And yes, 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:24.280 I know I DraftKings is a sponsor, But if you 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:26.840 do it, and you do it, and you do it wisely, 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:29.719 you can have fun, it can be entertainment for you. 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:34.320 But the problem I see is knowing firsthand. And I 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.359 was actually good at it. I walked away with a profit, 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.840 but I needed a devastating loss to walk away, and 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:44.919 that's what happened. I lost thirty three hundred dollars on 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:49.760 a Bowl game, and my bookie actually talked me out 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:55.160 of the winning side, and I'm thankful that he did, 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:58.639 because if I won that, I might be still betting. 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:03.160 And I just know you you don't own that money. 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:07.399 You rent that money. So having him on, I wanted 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:10.280 to kind of understand, you know, what is that like 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:13.919 when you know somebody is that damaged gambling wise and 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:19.080 they're losing forty dollars as a bookie, is there any 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:22.560 part of you that says, man, I can't take your 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:28.160 bets anymore? And you know, he said, yeah, a little bit, 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:32.080 but look he's running a business and probably think of 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:36.320 that gravy train as going to continue. I'm still amazed though, 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:41.800 that nobody flagged this, like the bank and maybe show 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:44.639 HEYU Tani had no idea what was going on, and 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:47.800 even you know, the bookie, Matt Boyer said, so he 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:51.159 doesn't believe that sho Hey was involved in this, But 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:55.880 doesn't your bank look at things like this with draws. 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:59.920 Do you have a business manager like you can't just 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:03.200 have a couple of million dollars gone and then a 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:06.080 couple of million dollars and then a couple of million dollars. 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:08.760