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Speaker 5: Wara.
Speaker 6: I am Joshua FEE Warren, and each week on this show,
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Speaker 6: lot more on this edition of the show. Pink Floyd
Speaker 6: and the Wizard of Oz. Many years ago, when I
Speaker 6: was in my twenties, I had a friend in western
Speaker 6: North Carolina who was a bit of an amateur horticulturalist
Speaker 6: with quite a green thumb, and one evening he and
Speaker 6: his wife invited me and my wife Lauren to attend
Speaker 6: a special event at his house. He had prepared quite
Speaker 6: an array of Blue Ridge Mountain party accoutremah and as
Speaker 6: we were enjoying ourselves in the living room, he brought
Speaker 6: out a boombox and put it beside the television. He
Speaker 6: popped a VHS tape of The Wizard of Oz into
Speaker 6: the machine started playing the movie. Now, of course, this
Speaker 6: is an MGM production, So at the beginning of the
Speaker 6: movie there is the famous lion and he roars three times,
Speaker 6: and right in the middle of the third roar of
Speaker 6: the MGM Lion, he started playing the Pink Floyd album
Speaker 6: called The Dark Side of the Moon, And the volume
Speaker 6: on the TV was primarily down, so what we were
Speaker 6: really listening to, of course, was Pink Floyd, and he
Speaker 6: was telling us how incredibly the album would synchronize with
Speaker 6: the events happening on screen. And so when we first
Speaker 6: started watching it, I mean, I recall like in the
Speaker 6: first few minutes, we kind of seem like maybe the
Speaker 6: music was matching up a little bit with some of
Speaker 6: the moods you were seeing on screen. But then all
Speaker 6: of a sudden, it takes a big turn when you
Speaker 6: finally see for the very first time the woman who
Speaker 6: portrays the Wicked Witch come riding into town on her bicycle.
Speaker 6: Because as soon as she appears on screen on the
Speaker 6: album Dark Side of the Moon, there is this big, obnoxious,
Speaker 6: alarming clattering of.
Speaker 4: Bells boom boom boom.
Speaker 6: Some of you, I'm sure probably know that album inside out,
Speaker 6: and you know what I'm talking about. These alarming bells
Speaker 6: play as soon as she comes. I mean, I'm telling you,
Speaker 6: like the instant she comes on to the screen, and
Speaker 6: then from there things start to match up quite eerily.
Speaker 6: Sometimes it's the tone of the music, sometimes it's the words.
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 6: The next big thing that really really struck me was
Speaker 6: this point when after the tornado, Dorothy opens the door
Speaker 6: of the house that she was in, and of course
Speaker 6: the whole movie switches from black and white into color.
Speaker 6: And as soon as she opens the door to Oz
Speaker 6: the song Money begins to play. You hear the kitching,
Speaker 6: catching sounds and the boom boom boom boom boom boom
Speaker 6: boom do and I mean, it's it starts to become
Speaker 6: so eerie at that point that you start really getting goosebumps.
Speaker 6: And I remember, you know, Lauren and I we we
Speaker 6: watched some sections of this synchronization just the other day
Speaker 6: to refresh myself a little bit, and we were just saying, like,
Speaker 6: how is it possible.
Speaker 4: That this could be an accident? It had to be.
Speaker 6: Planned when you really start looking at some of these
Speaker 6: moments which are just dead on. And so it occurred
Speaker 6: to me that I had not really gone back and
Speaker 6: all these years later and looked into that phenomenon to
Speaker 6: sort of figure out what was happening, because we were saying,
Speaker 6: Laurena and I were saying to each other, you know,
Speaker 6: if this was not planned, then how could this be
Speaker 6: Because it's not like that you're just trying to force
Speaker 6: certain pieces of music onto scenes. I mean, I'm telling you,
Speaker 6: it's like the songs start and stop on a dime
Speaker 6: with some of these scenes, and I mean, it truly
Speaker 6: is eerie when you watch it if you think that
Speaker 6: it wasn't planned.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 6: This phenomenon is what many people call the Dark Side
Speaker 6: of the Rainbow, also known as Dark Syde of Oz
Speaker 6: or the Wizard of Floyd. So defined simply enough, it
Speaker 6: is the pairing of the nineteen seventy three Pink Floyd
Speaker 6: album The Dark Side of the Moon with the nineteen
Speaker 6: thirty nine film The Wizard of Oz, and it produces
Speaker 6: numerous moments of apparent synchronicity where the film and the
Speaker 6: album appear to correspond. So how did this start? Like?
Speaker 6: Where did this all begin? Where did this come from?
Speaker 6: Who was the first person.
Speaker 4: Who even noticed that this?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 4: Who thought to play those things together like that?
Speaker 6: Right? That's question number one. So I looked into it,
Speaker 6: and here's I'm going to actually give you a little
Speaker 6: more detail than I usually would, just because I think
Speaker 6: something like this warrants that. Okay, So apparently here's the deal.
Speaker 6: In August of nineteen ninety five, the Fort Wayne Journal
Speaker 6: Gazette in Indiana published an article by a man named
Speaker 6: Charles Savage suggesting that readers watch the nineteen thirty nine
Speaker 6: film The Wizard of Oz while listening to the Pink
Speaker 6: Floyd album. So this starts in nineteen ninety five, not
Speaker 6: that long ago. According to Savage, if you start the
Speaker 6: album as the MGM lion roars on screen quote, the
Speaker 6: result is astonishing. It's as if the movie were one
Speaker 6: long art film music video for the album, song lyrics
Speaker 6: and titles match the action and plot. The music swells
Speaker 6: and falls with characters movements, expect to see firm coincidences
Speaker 6: to make you wonder whether the whole thing was planned
Speaker 6: end quote. And commonly noted instances of synchronicity include singer
Speaker 6: Claire Torre's howls on the Great Gig in the Sky
Speaker 6: during the film's tornado scene and the album's final fading
Speaker 6: heartbeat while Dorothy listens to the Tin Woodsman's non existent heart.
Speaker 6: Fans created websites and the experience. Fans created websites about
Speaker 6: the experience and cataloged moments of synchronicity. In April nineteen
Speaker 6: ninety seven, the DJ George Taylor Morris discussed Dark Side
Speaker 6: of the Rainbow on Boston Radio, and July of two thousand,
Speaker 6: Turner Classic Movies aired The Wizard of Oz with the
Speaker 6: option of synchronizing the broadcast to the album using the
Speaker 6: SAP audio channel. So there are other occasions where this
Speaker 6: has been done.
Speaker 4: Okay, so you say, all right, well why did this
Speaker 4: guy say to do this?
Speaker 6: All it tells you is, Savage said. The idea was
Speaker 6: first shared on an online Pink Floyd newsgroup. That's it.
Speaker 6: That's the source. Like you know, a newsgroup is basically
Speaker 6: something like like a chat room, you know, back in
Speaker 6: the day that was very popular in the nineteen nineties.
Speaker 6: Social media wasn't anywhere close to where it is today,
Speaker 6: of course, and so people would get on these chat
Speaker 6: rooms and you would see a bunch of threads and
Speaker 6: apparently there was just some something similar to that where
Speaker 6: people would discuss pink Floyd. And so somebody at some
Speaker 6: point on one of these newsgroups suggested that you play
Speaker 6: pink Floyd while watching The Wizard of Oz and how
Speaker 6: to synchronize. And we don't apparently even know who that
Speaker 6: person was. Now, there are a lot of people who
Speaker 6: listen to this podcast, So if you happened to if
Speaker 6: you happened to be that person who first figured this
Speaker 6: out or you know who did it, let me know. Okay,
Speaker 6: you can email me through my website, Joshua Poron dot com.
Speaker 6: That's that would be interesting to know who thought of
Speaker 6: this and how it came about.
Speaker 4: So, okay, well, what's the response been.
Speaker 6: Of Pink Floyd have denied any connection between the album
Speaker 6: and the film. The guitarist David Gilmour dismissed it as
Speaker 6: the product of quote some guy with too much time
Speaker 6: on his hands end quote. The bassist Roger Waters said
Speaker 6: it was bs and that it had nothing to do
Speaker 6: with anyone who worked on the album. The drummer Nick
Speaker 6: Mason said, quote, it's absolute nonsense. It has nothing to
Speaker 6: do with the Wizard of Oz. It was all based
Speaker 6: on the sound of music.
Speaker 4: End quote.
Speaker 6: The Dark Side of the Moon engineer Alan Parsons also
Speaker 6: denied any connection, saying the band had no means of
Speaker 6: playing videotapes in the studio at the time of recording.
Speaker 6: He said he was disappointed by the results when he
Speaker 6: tried doing this. So anyway, these guys are saying, Nope,
Speaker 6: absolutely not. There is that we did not, in any
Speaker 6: way whatsoever try to connect this album to the Wizard
Speaker 6: of Oz, and I believe them. So this makes it
Speaker 6: even weird, then, doesn't it. Because if they did not
Speaker 6: do this intentionally, and yet it syncs up so dramatically,
Speaker 6: so perfectly at so many points in so many ways,
Speaker 6: what's going on here?
Speaker 4: Really?
Speaker 6: What's the deeper meaning behind this? Why are these synchronicities there? Well,
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Speaker 6: Warren beaming into your worm whole brain from my studio
Speaker 6: in Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day is
Speaker 6: golden and every night is silver.
Speaker 4: Getato zuume.
Speaker 6: And in fact, right now there are plans underway to
Speaker 6: build two new movie studios near my house here in
Speaker 6: Las Vegas, one to the north and one to the south.
Speaker 6: And so this is going to be interesting because a
Speaker 6: lot of people are moving out of California and they're
Speaker 6: coming here and starting production companies. I guess it's a
Speaker 6: much more affordable for one thing. Plus, there's plenty of
Speaker 6: land here. It's a blank slate. You can do whatever
Speaker 6: you want. And there are lots of famous people who
Speaker 6: live here in Las Vegas who are helping.
Speaker 4: To spearhead this.
Speaker 6: Nicholas Cage lives near me, Mark Wahlberg does, and guys
Speaker 6: like that have been going to the government and sort
Speaker 6: of cheerleading for tax breaks for production and everything.
Speaker 4: So it's kind of cool.
Speaker 6: When you when you live at a place like this
Speaker 6: entertainment capital of the world, to go out once in
Speaker 6: a while you have, you know, your celebrity sighting that's
Speaker 6: always just out of the blue. In fact, last night,
Speaker 6: Larne and I went to a steakhouse in a kind
Speaker 6: of an upscale suburb of Las Vegas. And this was
Speaker 6: close to dusk, I mean, the sun was still up.
Speaker 6: But as Larne and I were walking in the front door,
Speaker 6: there were a couple of men who were sitting there
Speaker 6: on the bench waiting for the valet to bring their
Speaker 6: car back. And the valet had just pulled the car up,
Speaker 6: and so one of the guys ran to get the car,
Speaker 6: and the other guy stood up and he kind of
Speaker 6: like stood up right in front of me. So there
Speaker 6: was a moment where we were kind of awkwardly in
Speaker 6: each other's way. And this guy had tan skin, black mustache,
Speaker 6: black shoulder linked hair, and he was wearing this fedora
Speaker 6: with a big jewel on the front, and he had
Speaker 6: all kinds of sort of south Western jewelry and stuff,
Speaker 6: and so you know, we we locked eyes, and again
Speaker 6: we had the awkward moment where we're about to walk
Speaker 6: into each other, and then I paused and said after you,
Speaker 6: and he nodded and was and so he just walked
Speaker 6: by me and he went on to this car, which
Speaker 6: was the valet only only parked the car like ten
Speaker 6: feet away. So anyway, I passed this h this and
Speaker 6: he's an older fella, you know. So I passed him
Speaker 6: and we walked in the door, and Lauren looks at
Speaker 6: me and goes, that was Carlos Santana.
Speaker 4: And I looked.
Speaker 6: At her and I was like, yeah, that was Carlos Santana.
Speaker 6: It's like I didn't when you see it's so funny
Speaker 6: when you see a celebrity out of the blue, unexpectedly,
Speaker 6: out of context. Often it just you do not put
Speaker 6: two and two together. And of course then I turned
Speaker 6: back around and I saw they were getting into a nice,
Speaker 6: fancy car, and it was I mean, it was obviously
Speaker 6: Carlo Santana, considered one of the greatest guitarists of all time,
Speaker 6: who obviously had just finished eating at the steakhouse. He's
Speaker 6: seventy six years old, you know, he was born in Mexico,
Speaker 6: even played at Woodstock. And it turns out I looked
Speaker 6: it up and sure enough, he has or at least
Speaker 6: had a mansion in that area. And I say had
Speaker 6: because I know it was up for sale at some point.
Speaker 6: But he obviously hangs out around this.
Speaker 4: Neck of the woods.
Speaker 6: And you know, it's funny to think of, like, how
Speaker 6: many Carlos Santana fans would have just like put that,
Speaker 6: like on their bucket list of one of the most
Speaker 6: profound moments of their lives. To run into this guy,
Speaker 6: and we just had a pleasant exchange as we were
Speaker 6: walking past each other in and out of a restaurant. Know,
Speaker 6: it's just one of the fun little things about living
Speaker 6: here in Vegas. I ran into Weiman from Jackass a
Speaker 6: while back, but I knew who he was, of course,
Speaker 6: so I got a picture with him. I don't usually
Speaker 6: go up to celebrities and talk to them, but come on,
Speaker 6: wei Man, All right, back to the movie stuff. What
Speaker 6: is going on here? How do we explain the fact
Speaker 6: that the Dark Side of the Moon somehow seems to
Speaker 6: so perfectly sync up with.
Speaker 4: The Wizard of Oz. Well, look, I think.
Speaker 6: The only way we might be able to explain this
Speaker 6: is by accepting that there is some kind of grand
Speaker 6: design behind the pace of reality, which is why certain
Speaker 6: world events tend to mimic each other over time. You
Speaker 6: see dramas play out, wars and periods of peace and
Speaker 6: all that. They go through cycles, and you can almost
Speaker 6: take one part of history and overlap it with another
Speaker 6: part of history, and you can see the pendulum swinging
Speaker 6: back and forth. But it's easier, perhaps to see how
Speaker 6: spec it can get when you look at how certain
Speaker 6: people resonate with each other. Of course, the most famous
Speaker 6: example of this, I've talked about it before is the
Speaker 6: list of coincidences between Abraham Lincoln and John F.
Speaker 4: Kennedy.
Speaker 6: For example, Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy who told
Speaker 6: him not to go to forge theater. Kennedy had a
Speaker 6: secretary named Lincoln who warned him not to go to Dallas.
Speaker 6: Both let's see here, Booth the guy who killed Lincoln.
Speaker 6: Booth ran from a theater and was caught in a warehouse.
Speaker 6: Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater.
Speaker 6: Both presidents were elected to Congress in forty six and
Speaker 6: later to the presidency in sixty. Both assassins, John Wilkes
Speaker 6: Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald were born in thirty nine
Speaker 6: and known by their three names composed of fifteen letters.
Speaker 6: I mean, this kind of stuff goes on and on.
Speaker 6: It's just crazy. It's truly inexplicable. Even if some of
Speaker 6: it is exaggerated, there is enough of it that you
Speaker 6: cannot deny this residence, and you find that in the
Speaker 6: same way that people resonate with each other. I think
Speaker 6: artistic projects too. You know, I've also talked about I
Speaker 6: think Lauren Coleman was the first person who really pointed
Speaker 6: out this thing.
Speaker 4: He called the name game.
Speaker 6: How that okay? You take, for example, George Reeves, the
Speaker 6: first guy who played Superman on TV. His life ended tragically.
Speaker 6: He supposedly committed suicide.
Speaker 4: He might have been murdered. And then you have.
Speaker 6: The first guy who really became famous for playing Superman
Speaker 6: on on the big screen, Christopher Reeve. And look what
Speaker 6: happened to him. He ended up paralyzed after a horse
Speaker 6: riding accident. So there's George Reeve and Christopher Reeves, or
Speaker 6: George Reeves and Christopher Reeve, no relation, bad things happened
Speaker 6: to them. And then Keanu Reeve he had tragedy in
Speaker 6: his life life where very close loved ones died in
Speaker 6: a car accident.
Speaker 4: I recall.
Speaker 6: There seems to be residences between people that are sometimes
Speaker 6: represented by names. People asked me all the time if
Speaker 6: I'm related to Ed and Lorraine Warren, and of course
Speaker 6: I am not, but it's I can understand why people
Speaker 6: think that. In fact, I remember when I was like
Speaker 6: a kid in middle school or high school, coming across
Speaker 6: some ghost book and it mentioned Ed Lorraine Warren and
Speaker 6: that was the only time I'd ever even heard of them,
Speaker 6: And then all these years later they became really famous,
Speaker 6: at least from what I can tell, famous to me
Speaker 6: when the conjuring stuff started. But I've actually had people
Speaker 6: accused me of calling myself Warren to ride on their coattails.
Speaker 6: It's like, no, there's no relation there. I actually did
Speaker 6: get to meet Lorraine Warren, and there's actually a picture
Speaker 6: of the two of us together on my Instagram page,
Speaker 6: which I believe is Joshua P. Warren podcasts on Instagram
Speaker 6: and very nice. Lady Ed was dead by that time,
Speaker 6: but no relationship, and then being still sticking with the
Speaker 6: name game Warren zevon one of my favorite singers. He
Speaker 6: sung about spooky things like Werewolves of London and Roland
Speaker 6: the Headless Thompson Gunner, and so I kind of feel
Speaker 6: like that, in the same way that events can resonate
Speaker 6: with each other and people can resonate with each other,
Speaker 6: works of art can also resonate with each other, and
Speaker 6: it doesn't have to be intentional at all, as a
Speaker 6: matter of fact, it pretty much is not intentional at all.
Speaker 6: It just so happens to work out that way. So
Speaker 6: I have no doubt that when these guys were making
Speaker 6: Dark Side of the Moon they had no intention of
Speaker 6: it somehow synchronizing with the Wizard of Oz, and yet
Speaker 6: the fact that it did is even further evidence to
Speaker 6: me of this great grand cosmic design between all things
Speaker 6: in life, and especially how that that can pop up
Speaker 6: and you become much more aware of it when you're
Speaker 6: looking at people expressing themselves artistically, and even though those
Speaker 6: two have very little to do with each other artistically,
Speaker 6: when you see them put together, well, they actually do
Speaker 6: have something quite common there that was unintentional. In fact,
Speaker 6: I'll tell you something else that's kind of interesting about movies.
Speaker 6: People have told me for a lot of my life
Speaker 6: that they think I have a bit of like an
Speaker 6: Orson Wells energy around me, because of course he got
Speaker 6: famous in radio doing his War of the World's stunt
Speaker 6: about aliens invading, and then later on, of course he
Speaker 6: was a multimedia man. He was a great storyteller. He
Speaker 6: was always writing and making movies. And that's kind of
Speaker 6: funny because I was looking at some of his work recently,
Speaker 6: and of course his masterpiece was Citizen King. And it
Speaker 6: just so happened to tie in with something that I've
Speaker 6: been bringing into my house lately as part of Maya
Speaker 6: and Laurens redecorating. It has to do with the classic
Speaker 6: horror movie The Creature from the Black Lagoon. There's kind
Speaker 6: of an odd story about how that movie came to be,
Speaker 6: and when we come back, well, I'm going to share
Speaker 6: it with you. I kind of tend to think if
Speaker 6: I find something interesting, then well you might find it
Speaker 6: interesting as well. And we're sticking with the movie themes
Speaker 6: and I don't know a bit of synchronicity and how
Speaker 6: things kind of come together in unexpected ways. I'm Joshua P. Warren,
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Speaker 6: Warren, and this is the show where the unusual becomes usual.
Speaker 6: I am a great lover of art, so as my
Speaker 6: wife and so as we are decorating our house. We've
Speaker 6: only owned this house here in Vegas a couple of years,
Speaker 6: so there's a lot that goes into getting a house
Speaker 6: up and running, and so we're just now really getting
Speaker 6: more into the decorating part. I enjoy purchasing metaphysical tools
Speaker 6: that are very functional and can be used in my practices,
Speaker 6: my meditations, my rituals.
Speaker 4: And all that stuff.
Speaker 6: But when not in use, also look great as a
Speaker 6: work of art, just sitting on a shelf or an
Speaker 6: altar or hanging on a wall. I'm always looking for
Speaker 6: that combo. I think the two go hand in hand,
Speaker 6: a sort of synergy there. And of course, last year,
Speaker 6: as you may or may not recall, I discovered this
Speaker 6: fantastic artisan here in the United States.
Speaker 4: Who makes jewelry.
Speaker 6: He smelts the metals by hand, and I worked with
Speaker 6: him to create the electroum ring, which contains gold and silver,
Speaker 6: and everybody loves the electrom ring. But we just did
Speaker 6: that for a limited period of time. And I went
Speaker 6: back to him a few months ago and I said,
Speaker 6: you know what, I'm sure this would not be cheap,
Speaker 6: but would you be willing just for me to make
Speaker 6: an electroum wand and he goes, wow, I've never tried that,
Speaker 6: And I said, well, I will pay you handsomely, and
Speaker 6: we discussed how it should look at everything, and sure enough,
Speaker 6: you can imagine it's that kid on Christmas morning Phenomenon.
Speaker 6: The day it arrived, I was grinning from ear to ear.
Speaker 6: He made me this wand I was the only person
Speaker 6: in the world, okay, to have this from a custom
Speaker 6: original mold eight and a half inches long that's twenty
Speaker 6: one point fifty nine centimeters made of bronze, with an
Speaker 6: electrum tip that's fifty fifty gold and silver. This thing
Speaker 6: feels heavy and solid in the hand. You got to
Speaker 6: see a picture of this thing. Okay, this is the
Speaker 6: Roll's Rooice of Wands, and I haven't told anybody about it,
Speaker 6: and I've been using it and all I do to
Speaker 6: manifest with it as I go out and I point
Speaker 6: it at the sky and I say out loud what I
Speaker 6: want and then I say.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 6: That's all I have to do with this wand And
Speaker 6: when I'm not using it, it sits on this in
Speaker 6: this beautiful stand, on this altar, and I mean.
Speaker 4: It, just it again.
Speaker 6: It makes it gives you cold chills when you think
Speaker 6: about what it can do. You've got to see a
Speaker 6: picture of this thing. And I was going to just
Speaker 6: keep it all to myself and be like my precious
Speaker 6: and then I would mention it sometimes on the podcast.
Speaker 6: But you know what I get fun out of allowing
Speaker 6: you to experiment with the things that I'm experimenting with,
Speaker 6: so we can all compare notes. So I asked him
Speaker 6: if he would be willing to make some of these electroum.
Speaker 4: Wands for you, if you.
Speaker 6: Are like me and I'm talking to the exact same
Speaker 6: one that I've got, And he said that he would
Speaker 6: do that. So right now as I record this, he
Speaker 6: is taking requests. There's no guarantee, but if you are
Speaker 6: interested in getting an electroum wand he also said that
Speaker 6: he'll for the time being, he will also make more
Speaker 6: electron rings and as a matter of fact, to even
Speaker 6: make a thicker version. Some people have emailed saying, I
Speaker 6: love my electron ring. Is there is it possible to
Speaker 6: get a thicker one? So I said great. So I
Speaker 6: don't know how long this is going to last, but
Speaker 6: go to electroumshop dot com E L E C t
Speaker 6: R U M electroumshop dot com. Even if you don't
Speaker 6: intend to buy anything, just like watch the videos and
Speaker 6: like look at the pictures and look at this wand
Speaker 6: it is breathtaking. And that's why you can see like
Speaker 6: I like stuff like that because when I'm not using it,
Speaker 6: it's a work of art. But what's even odd, even
Speaker 6: more odd about all this is that like Lauren and
Speaker 6: I have decided in our living room, for example, which
Speaker 6: of course we have a big theater there, because you know,
Speaker 6: that's not kind of the center of life in this
Speaker 6: day and age you have to have a big.
Speaker 4: Theater around your living room.
Speaker 6: We are going for kind of like a teeky slash ufo,
Speaker 6: alien slash oddity kind of theme. Yeah, I'm telling you,
Speaker 6: I could sell tickets to my house. They would cost
Speaker 6: a lot, but I could do that and people would
Speaker 6: buy them. But so we have I don't want to
Speaker 6: go into all this detail about exactly how it looks.
Speaker 6: Maybe at some point I'll put some pictures up for
Speaker 6: you on my Instagram page or whatever. But one of
Speaker 6: the things that kind of captures the feeling we're going
Speaker 6: for is stuff related to the movie The Creature. Actually
Speaker 6: it's just called Creature from the Black Lagoon nineteen fifty
Speaker 6: four released by Universal Studios. Everybody knows this movie, and
Speaker 6: so we have, you know, like some vintage posters and
Speaker 6: some stuff signed by Riku Browning, the guy who played
Speaker 6: Creature in the water, like the underwater scenes. And what's
Speaker 6: funny is that as I've been buying all this Creature stuff,
Speaker 6: I've got two autograph Creature things, and I have a
Speaker 6: creature statue, and like, as I've been buying this creature stuff,
Speaker 6: I was looking back into how that movie was made.
Speaker 6: And it turns out that going back to Orson Wells
Speaker 6: Well in nineteen forty one, during the filming of Citizen Kme,
Speaker 6: the crew had a dinner party and one of these
Speaker 6: producers named William A. Land or William alland he came
Speaker 6: to this dinner party. So here he is sitting there
Speaker 6: having dinner. Sure, he's probably I can just imagine, it's
Speaker 6: nineteen forty one. They're smoking their cigarettes, They've had a
Speaker 6: couple of cocktails or whatever. He's sitting there and he
Speaker 6: starts up this conversation at the dinner table with this
Speaker 6: Mexican cinematographer named Gabrielle Fugera. And as they are having
Speaker 6: their dinner talk, the cinematographer starts telling this producer about
Speaker 6: this myth of a race of half fish, half human
Speaker 6: creatures in the Amazon River. And this immediately piques the
Speaker 6: interest of this producer, William Aloud, and so he starts
Speaker 6: taking some notes and he starts thinking about this, and
Speaker 6: he dwells on this idea for ten years, and then
Speaker 6: ten years later, I don't know he felt the time
Speaker 6: was right, and he went out and he's found some
Speaker 6: professional writers to expand this thing, and they turned it
Speaker 6: into this treatment for a movie called The Black Lagoon,
Speaker 6: and then you know, it picked up steam and they
Speaker 6: ended up making this movie Creature from the Black Lagoon.
Speaker 6: And so so who would think the Creature from the
Speaker 6: Black Lagoon came from a dinner party at Citizen At
Speaker 6: the making of Citizen case just weird. But you know,
Speaker 6: there were two actors who played Creature and one played
Speaker 6: him on Land and the other was the guy who
Speaker 6: played in the underwater scenes. The guy who played him
Speaker 6: on Land was named Ben Chapman and they called Creature
Speaker 6: gil Man. And those scenes were shot at Universal City
Speaker 6: in California, and they say this costume was just, oh,
Speaker 6: it was just miserable to be inside this thing that
Speaker 6: once they put this actor inside of it, that he
Speaker 6: was unable. The way it was made, he could not
Speaker 6: sit down for fourteen hours each day, and this thing
Speaker 6: overheated easily. So they had a backlot.
Speaker 4: Lake, you know that they made there.
Speaker 6: And if he was frequently saying like please hose me down,
Speaker 6: hose me down, stay, take him out, the hose him down.
Speaker 6: And sometimes they would just put him in the water
Speaker 6: and let him float around for a while to cool off.
Speaker 6: He could not see very well while he was wearing
Speaker 6: the head piece. There's, of course, there's this damsel in
Speaker 6: distress in this movie, played by Julie Adams, and they
Speaker 6: said that sometimes because he couldn't see well, he'd be
Speaker 6: like carrying her and he would accidentally scrape her head
Speaker 6: against these rocky grotto walls.
Speaker 4: I mean that's rough stuff, man. You know.
Speaker 6: Actors would not put up with that nowadays. I don't
Speaker 6: think they would say, you give me a foam rock here,
Speaker 6: But no, they're scraping this woman's head on the wall
Speaker 6: of this cave or whatever because the guy can't see.
Speaker 6: And then when they decided to do the underwater shots,
Speaker 6: they went to Florida, well Cool of Springs, Florida, and
Speaker 6: that's when they brought in Recoop Browning, who played all
Speaker 6: the underwater stuff. He's the man that everybody really knows best,
Speaker 6: because everybody knows those underwater scenes best. And they said,
Speaker 6: this guy, Recoop Browning, he could hold his breath for
Speaker 6: up to four minutes at a time. He said, quote,
Speaker 6: if you're not doing anything at all four minutes as possible.
Speaker 6: But if you're moving in the water, well you know
Speaker 6: it's not. If you're swimming fast or fighting, you use
Speaker 6: up a lot of oxygen and it cuts it down.
Speaker 4: To at the most two minutes. End quote.
Speaker 6: Wow, talk about a fit guy. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 6: Recoop Browning, he lived to be an old man. Let's see,
Speaker 6: he died. He died last year and he was nicey
Speaker 6: three years old, and so I have two pieces signed
Speaker 6: by him, the guy who was playing the creature down
Speaker 6: there under the water. Isn't that Isn't that interesting though?
Speaker 6: To think about how these movies came to be and
Speaker 6: how they used to make them versus now with all
Speaker 6: the CGI you watch a movie, it's almost like just
Speaker 6: watching a big cartoon. Well, you know, I I've had
Speaker 6: some work in movies myself, and I even got the
Speaker 6: honor of working for three days with Robin Williams on
Speaker 6: the movie Patch Adams. As a matter of fact, I
Speaker 6: was a featured extra. But I'm just I'm even on
Speaker 6: camera in a scene with him and talking about laughing
Speaker 6: our heads off for three days. He was a funny,
Speaker 6: funny man. There's no doubt about it. And a super
Speaker 6: nice guy.
Speaker 4: But you know, when we.
Speaker 6: Come back from this break, I want to talk about
Speaker 6: something that I've been putting off for a while because
Speaker 6: I have a friend who was He was almost maybe
Speaker 6: just as funny as Robin Williams when you hung out
Speaker 6: with him.
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not.
Speaker 6: Even I'm not exaggerating. His name was Scott Grewenwald. He
Speaker 6: was famous, he was on TV and he passed away
Speaker 6: last year. And I was thinking about him the other day.
Speaker 6: And because we start on a TV show together, and
Speaker 6: when we come back, I want to tell you a
Speaker 6: little bit about Scott Grewenwald and synchronicity. I'm Joshua Pee Warren.
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Speaker 6: Welcome back to the final segment of this edition of
Speaker 6: Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
Speaker 6: Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 4: I am your host, Joshua P. A.
Speaker 6: Warren, And over the years, I have done a lot
Speaker 6: of television work. I mean, if you name a major channel,
Speaker 6: I've probably been on a you know, History, Discovery, Travel,
Speaker 6: Animal Planet, TLC.
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean I did that.
Speaker 6: A lot, and I don't do it so much anymore
Speaker 6: because it's very time consuming, and you know, I've just
Speaker 6: moved on to other types of projects. I turned down
Speaker 6: TV offers all the time. But back in twenty twelve,
Speaker 6: I was right in the thick of it, and I
Speaker 6: was a cast member on a show on the Travel
Speaker 6: Channel for a whole season called Paranormal p Operazzi. And
Speaker 6: by the way, when you're doing TV and you have
Speaker 6: a crew out there on a paranormal show and they're
Speaker 6: trying to capture something paranormal right then and there, there's
Speaker 6: a lot of pressure, and sure enough, I would bring
Speaker 6: portable wishing machines out to the set and in the
Speaker 6: field sometimes to see if I could help increase the
Speaker 6: chances of something happening. In fact, doctor Mulder created a
Speaker 6: special machine just for that purpose called the Model Filled X,
Speaker 6: and for a while he stopped making it, but he
Speaker 6: contacted me today and he said, you know what, I've
Speaker 6: redesigned the internal stuff here and he goes, I'm going
Speaker 6: to make another batch of the Model Filled X. You
Speaker 6: can travel with it, take it out into the field.
Speaker 6: If you're a researcher and you want to try to
Speaker 6: create more activity, whether it's ghosts or UFOs or cryptid
Speaker 6: sidings or whatever. So if you're interested in that, just
Speaker 6: go to Wishingmachine project dot com and on the right
Speaker 6: the right side there at the lower end of the
Speaker 6: page it need something portable, and that's where you'll find
Speaker 6: the link to the Field X Wishingmachine project dot com.
Speaker 6: But I actually did use the wishing machine in the
Speaker 6: field when I was doing this show Paranormal Paparazzi, because
Speaker 6: the idea was that I was one of a handful
Speaker 6: of reporters and we went out. We traveled all over
Speaker 6: the country filming stories about people having paranormal encounters. And
Speaker 6: then we would all get together at the main office
Speaker 6: in our studio was in New York City in Manhattan,
Speaker 6: I mean right there, within walking distance of Times Square,
Speaker 6: and we would bring back our reports so we would
Speaker 6: all sit there and discuss them together.
Speaker 4: And so it was a.
Speaker 6: Very it was a very time consuming and elaborate project,
Speaker 6: because I mean you're talking about half the time you're
Speaker 6: out in the field in the middle of nowhere, just
Speaker 6: you and your producer, out in the jungle or the desert,
Speaker 6: the you never know where you're going to be. And
Speaker 6: then after that you go back to New York and
Speaker 6: spend a few weeks there filming stuff in the studio.
Speaker 6: And I didn't like living in New York. It felt
Speaker 6: too claustrophobic to me. I need more space than that.
Speaker 6: No matter where you.
Speaker 4: Are, there's always somebody else right there.
Speaker 6: But during my time in New York, that is when
Speaker 6: I became friends with Scott Gruenwald. I'd never met him before,
Speaker 6: he was a cast member on the show. I ended
Speaker 6: up spending more time with him than any other cast member.
Speaker 6: I saw him almost every day, and like I say,
Speaker 6: the guy was absolutely hilarious. He had short gray hair,
Speaker 6: he had a gray beard. He had these twinkling dark eyes,
Speaker 6: and just laugh lines all over his face because he
Speaker 6: was just constantly cracking jokes and laughing. He was sharp
Speaker 6: as attack, and he always smelled like smoke because he
Speaker 6: smoked as much as possible. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 6: there were times where we'd be filming and we'd be like,
Speaker 6: I don't know, maybe on the tenth floor or twelfth
Speaker 6: floor of a building, and we would have a five
Speaker 6: minute break, and he would rush down as fast as
Speaker 6: he could and go outside and just inhal a cigarette
Speaker 6: and rush back up and sometimes just run up the
Speaker 6: flights of stairs. I don't know how he did it.
Speaker 6: He didn't drink, he'd had problems with that in the past.
Speaker 6: But he's definitely smoked. And he ended up dying last
Speaker 6: year of a stroke at the age of sixty. And
Speaker 6: the last time I saw him, he had his stroke
Speaker 6: a few years before he died, and then he had
Speaker 6: another stroke and then he died. But I saw him
Speaker 6: between strokes and we were at an event in Chicago
Speaker 6: and he was outside smoking a cigarette and I said, Scott,
Speaker 6: didn't you have a stroke recently?
Speaker 4: And he said yep.
Speaker 6: I said, why are you still smoking cigarettes?
Speaker 4: He goes, oh, they told me it was it was
Speaker 4: the energy drinks.
Speaker 6: And I go, okay, And look, I'm not one of
Speaker 6: these people who blame somebody for their own death. And
Speaker 6: that's I think that's a sad phenomenon. It's like anytime
Speaker 6: somebody dies, all these people are like, oh, well, they
Speaker 6: they they smoked or they drank, or they ate too much,
Speaker 6: or they didn't exercise enough, or they didn't go to
Speaker 6: the doctor enough or I mean, there's just like there's
Speaker 6: always you know, they took they didn't take the right medicine.
Speaker 6: There's this tendency to blame people for their own deaths
Speaker 6: in this culture, and I don't I don't agree with that.
Speaker 6: But anyway, so he had a stroke and that's what
Speaker 6: finally did him. In the boy I tell you why.
Speaker 6: It was so fun hanging out with that guy. He
Speaker 6: was so funny and he would run around do naked
Speaker 6: ghost hunting, yeah, anything to get a laugh. You may
Speaker 6: have seen him on Ghost Adventures. He was on Ghost
Speaker 6: adventures with Zach and the guys. But here's here's what
Speaker 6: I want to tell you about him. Aside from the
Speaker 6: fact that he was just from what I could tell,
Speaker 6: just a really great person and a lot of fun
Speaker 6: and just a positive force of energy, he also had
Speaker 6: this open mind that would allow him to have a
Speaker 6: lot of synchronicities and interesting things happened to him. And
Speaker 6: you know, I would go out and when we were
Speaker 6: shooting that after we were done, I'd go out at
Speaker 6: night and I'd hang out and party in New York
Speaker 6: until late, and then I'd sleep as late as I could.
Speaker 6: He would wake up at like four o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 6: and if I saw him at you know, nine o'clock
Speaker 6: in the morning, he already had like a big story
Speaker 6: to tell me about all the stuff he'd been.
Speaker 4: Doing early that morning.
Speaker 6: So one morning we got together, because sometimes we wouldn't
Speaker 6: actually start filming.
Speaker 4: Until later in the afternoon. It just depended.
Speaker 6: But anyway, so one day we got together and he
Speaker 6: comes up and he goes, man, you're not gonna believe
Speaker 6: what happened to me today. So he would just go
Speaker 6: out and just roam Manhattan just to see what would
Speaker 6: happen to him. And while we were there filming, at
Speaker 6: one point, the NFL Draft was in town, was in
Speaker 6: New York, and he didn't even know it. But at
Speaker 6: some point he's just going in and out of buildings
Speaker 6: and he walks into some big, fancy building and there's
Speaker 6: a big crowd there and there's a lot of press there,
Speaker 6: and so he's automatically interested. And as he's kind of
Speaker 6: like standing around, somebody says to him, are you here
Speaker 6: for the draft pick? And he said, uh yeah. They said, okay,
Speaker 6: here's your tag, and they gave him a name tag.
Speaker 4: Now, this is just the kind of stuff.
Speaker 6: That he would pull, right because he had nothing to
Speaker 6: do with the NFL draft. The draft is where you
Speaker 6: pick the players who are gonna make it. Usually these
Speaker 6: are college kids who are suddenly going to become professional
Speaker 6: football players, and it's like you're instantly rich. And so
Speaker 6: he said that they after he had this name tag,
Speaker 6: that he walked into this banquet room and he said
Speaker 6: it was just like, oh my gosh, anything. It was
Speaker 6: the King's chamber. They had every type of food open bar.
Speaker 6: Of course, again he didn't drink, but just like he
Speaker 6: was pigging out though and they're eating all the food
Speaker 6: and everybody's just excited and tense. And he said it
Speaker 6: finally it came draft picked time, and he walked into
Speaker 6: this room and here are all these college kids sitting there,
Speaker 6: and they have their families there and there, and everybody's
Speaker 6: just praying to God that their kid, their son gets picked,
Speaker 6: you know. And he said that every time a guy
Speaker 6: would get picked, a kid would get picked, that like
Speaker 6: it was like somebody was hitting the lottery in front
Speaker 6: of you, and the whole family would just absolutely explode
Speaker 6: and jump up and down and just cry in a
Speaker 6: hug and sing.
Speaker 4: He said it was like.
Speaker 6: All day, one after one after one, watching people hit
Speaker 6: the lotto, their dreams coming true. He said it was
Speaker 6: the most profound thing to witness something like that one
Speaker 6: after the other, hour after hour, and it really just
Speaker 6: sort of it made him feel fantastic, and that whenever
Speaker 6: he was feeling down, that was a memory that he
Speaker 6: would reflect on, something that I call like your go
Speaker 6: to memory. And my book used the forest. That was
Speaker 6: his go to memory. And for some reason, whenever I
Speaker 6: think of Scott and I do I miss him, and
Speaker 6: I know a lot of people do.
Speaker 4: He was brilliant. He was hilarious, and it's sad that
Speaker 4: he's gone.
Speaker 6: But when I think of him, I like to think
Speaker 6: of that that day he spent watching all these dreams
Speaker 6: come true, where he was just bathed and nothing but
Speaker 6: waves of radiant happiness, and that I think stuck with him,
Speaker 6: I'm sure till the very end. So Scott Grunwald, my friend,
Speaker 6: you were a great guy, And thank you for all
Speaker 6: that you did and contributed, and thank you for all
Speaker 6: of the lefts and the fun and the kindness. And
Speaker 6: I know, sir, that you are now resting in peace.
Speaker 6: But if you ever come back as a ghost, at
Speaker 6: least to visit me, please keep your pants on. I'm
Speaker 6: not into the naked ghost encounter thing. All right, my friends,
Speaker 6: time to end the show with a good fortune tone.
Speaker 6: Take a deep breath.
Speaker 4: Here it is.
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