1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM paranormal 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: podcast network. Now get ready for us Strange Things with 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Joshua P. 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 2: Warren. 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 3: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 3: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 3: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 3: to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 3: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:52,039 Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 4: Ready to be amazed by the Wizard of Weird. This 12 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 4: is Strange with Joshua E. 13 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 5: Wara. 14 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 6: I am Joshua FEE Warren, and each week on this show, 15 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 6: I'll be bringing you brand new mind blowing content, news, exercises, 16 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 6: and weird experiments you can do at home, and a 17 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 6: lot more on this edition of the show. Pink Floyd 18 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 6: and the Wizard of Oz. Many years ago, when I 19 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 6: was in my twenties, I had a friend in western 20 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 6: North Carolina who was a bit of an amateur horticulturalist 21 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 6: with quite a green thumb, and one evening he and 22 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 6: his wife invited me and my wife Lauren to attend 23 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 6: a special event at his house. He had prepared quite 24 00:01:54,080 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 6: an array of Blue Ridge Mountain party accoutremah and as 25 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 6: we were enjoying ourselves in the living room, he brought 26 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 6: out a boombox and put it beside the television. He 27 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 6: popped a VHS tape of The Wizard of Oz into 28 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 6: the machine started playing the movie. Now, of course, this 29 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 6: is an MGM production, So at the beginning of the 30 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 6: movie there is the famous lion and he roars three times, 31 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 6: and right in the middle of the third roar of 32 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 6: the MGM Lion, he started playing the Pink Floyd album 33 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 6: called The Dark Side of the Moon, And the volume 34 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 6: on the TV was primarily down, so what we were 35 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 6: really listening to, of course, was Pink Floyd, and he 36 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 6: was telling us how incredibly the album would synchronize with 37 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 6: the events happening on screen. And so when we first 38 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 6: started watching it, I mean, I recall like in the 39 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 6: first few minutes, we kind of seem like maybe the 40 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 6: music was matching up a little bit with some of 41 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 6: the moods you were seeing on screen. But then all 42 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 6: of a sudden, it takes a big turn when you 43 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 6: finally see for the very first time the woman who 44 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 6: portrays the Wicked Witch come riding into town on her bicycle. 45 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 6: Because as soon as she appears on screen on the 46 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 6: album Dark Side of the Moon, there is this big, obnoxious, 47 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 6: alarming clattering of. 48 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 4: Bells boom boom boom. 49 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 6: Some of you, I'm sure probably know that album inside out, 50 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 6: and you know what I'm talking about. These alarming bells 51 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 6: play as soon as she comes. I mean, I'm telling you, 52 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 6: like the instant she comes on to the screen, and 53 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 6: then from there things start to match up quite eerily. 54 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 6: Sometimes it's the tone of the music, sometimes it's the words. 55 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 4: I mean. 56 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 6: The next big thing that really really struck me was 57 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 6: this point when after the tornado, Dorothy opens the door 58 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 6: of the house that she was in, and of course 59 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 6: the whole movie switches from black and white into color. 60 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 6: And as soon as she opens the door to Oz 61 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 6: the song Money begins to play. You hear the kitching, 62 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 6: catching sounds and the boom boom boom boom boom boom 63 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 6: boom do and I mean, it's it starts to become 64 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 6: so eerie at that point that you start really getting goosebumps. 65 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 6: And I remember, you know, Lauren and I we we 66 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 6: watched some sections of this synchronization just the other day 67 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 6: to refresh myself a little bit, and we were just saying, like, 68 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 6: how is it possible. 69 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 4: That this could be an accident? It had to be. 70 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 6: Planned when you really start looking at some of these 71 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 6: moments which are just dead on. And so it occurred 72 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 6: to me that I had not really gone back and 73 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 6: all these years later and looked into that phenomenon to 74 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 6: sort of figure out what was happening, because we were saying, 75 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 6: Laurena and I were saying to each other, you know, 76 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 6: if this was not planned, then how could this be 77 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 6: Because it's not like that you're just trying to force 78 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 6: certain pieces of music onto scenes. I mean, I'm telling you, 79 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 6: it's like the songs start and stop on a dime 80 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 6: with some of these scenes, and I mean, it truly 81 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 6: is eerie when you watch it if you think that 82 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 6: it wasn't planned. 83 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 4: And so. 84 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,799 Speaker 6: This phenomenon is what many people call the Dark Side 85 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 6: of the Rainbow, also known as Dark Syde of Oz 86 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 6: or the Wizard of Floyd. So defined simply enough, it 87 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 6: is the pairing of the nineteen seventy three Pink Floyd 88 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 6: album The Dark Side of the Moon with the nineteen 89 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 6: thirty nine film The Wizard of Oz, and it produces 90 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 6: numerous moments of apparent synchronicity where the film and the 91 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 6: album appear to correspond. So how did this start? Like? 92 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 6: Where did this all begin? Where did this come from? 93 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 6: Who was the first person. 94 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 4: Who even noticed that this? 95 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 6: Like? 96 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 4: Who thought to play those things together like that? 97 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 6: Right? That's question number one. So I looked into it, 98 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 6: and here's I'm going to actually give you a little 99 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 6: more detail than I usually would, just because I think 100 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 6: something like this warrants that. Okay, So apparently here's the deal. 101 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 6: In August of nineteen ninety five, the Fort Wayne Journal 102 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 6: Gazette in Indiana published an article by a man named 103 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 6: Charles Savage suggesting that readers watch the nineteen thirty nine 104 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 6: film The Wizard of Oz while listening to the Pink 105 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 6: Floyd album. So this starts in nineteen ninety five, not 106 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 6: that long ago. According to Savage, if you start the 107 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 6: album as the MGM lion roars on screen quote, the 108 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 6: result is astonishing. It's as if the movie were one 109 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 6: long art film music video for the album, song lyrics 110 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 6: and titles match the action and plot. The music swells 111 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 6: and falls with characters movements, expect to see firm coincidences 112 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 6: to make you wonder whether the whole thing was planned 113 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 6: end quote. And commonly noted instances of synchronicity include singer 114 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 6: Claire Torre's howls on the Great Gig in the Sky 115 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 6: during the film's tornado scene and the album's final fading 116 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 6: heartbeat while Dorothy listens to the Tin Woodsman's non existent heart. 117 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 6: Fans created websites and the experience. Fans created websites about 118 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 6: the experience and cataloged moments of synchronicity. In April nineteen 119 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 6: ninety seven, the DJ George Taylor Morris discussed Dark Side 120 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:27,679 Speaker 6: of the Rainbow on Boston Radio, and July of two thousand, 121 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 6: Turner Classic Movies aired The Wizard of Oz with the 122 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 6: option of synchronizing the broadcast to the album using the 123 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 6: SAP audio channel. So there are other occasions where this 124 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 6: has been done. 125 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 4: Okay, so you say, all right, well why did this 126 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 4: guy say to do this? 127 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 6: All it tells you is, Savage said. The idea was 128 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 6: first shared on an online Pink Floyd newsgroup. That's it. 129 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 6: That's the source. Like you know, a newsgroup is basically 130 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 6: something like like a chat room, you know, back in 131 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 6: the day that was very popular in the nineteen nineties. 132 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 6: Social media wasn't anywhere close to where it is today, 133 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 6: of course, and so people would get on these chat 134 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 6: rooms and you would see a bunch of threads and 135 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 6: apparently there was just some something similar to that where 136 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 6: people would discuss pink Floyd. And so somebody at some 137 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 6: point on one of these newsgroups suggested that you play 138 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 6: pink Floyd while watching The Wizard of Oz and how 139 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 6: to synchronize. And we don't apparently even know who that 140 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 6: person was. Now, there are a lot of people who 141 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 6: listen to this podcast, So if you happened to if 142 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 6: you happened to be that person who first figured this 143 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 6: out or you know who did it, let me know. Okay, 144 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 6: you can email me through my website, Joshua Poron dot com. 145 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 6: That's that would be interesting to know who thought of 146 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 6: this and how it came about. 147 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 4: So, okay, well, what's the response been. 148 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 6: Of Pink Floyd have denied any connection between the album 149 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 6: and the film. The guitarist David Gilmour dismissed it as 150 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 6: the product of quote some guy with too much time 151 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 6: on his hands end quote. The bassist Roger Waters said 152 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 6: it was bs and that it had nothing to do 153 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 6: with anyone who worked on the album. The drummer Nick 154 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 6: Mason said, quote, it's absolute nonsense. It has nothing to 155 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 6: do with the Wizard of Oz. It was all based 156 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 6: on the sound of music. 157 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 4: End quote. 158 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 6: The Dark Side of the Moon engineer Alan Parsons also 159 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 6: denied any connection, saying the band had no means of 160 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 6: playing videotapes in the studio at the time of recording. 161 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 6: He said he was disappointed by the results when he 162 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 6: tried doing this. So anyway, these guys are saying, Nope, 163 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 6: absolutely not. There is that we did not, in any 164 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 6: way whatsoever try to connect this album to the Wizard 165 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 6: of Oz, and I believe them. So this makes it 166 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 6: even weird, then, doesn't it. Because if they did not 167 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 6: do this intentionally, and yet it syncs up so dramatically, 168 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 6: so perfectly at so many points in so many ways, 169 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 6: what's going on here? 170 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 4: Really? 171 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 6: What's the deeper meaning behind this? Why are these synchronicities there? 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You are not alone. 239 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 3: And now back to the iHeartRadio and Cost to cost 240 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 3: Am Paranormal Podcast Network and Strange Things. 241 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 6: Welcome back to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast 242 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 6: to Coast to Him Paranormal Podcast Network. 243 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 4: I am your host, the Wizard of Weird, Joshua P. 244 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 6: Warren beaming into your worm whole brain from my studio 245 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 6: in Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day is 246 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 6: golden and every night is silver. 247 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 4: Getato zuume. 248 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 6: And in fact, right now there are plans underway to 249 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 6: build two new movie studios near my house here in 250 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 6: Las Vegas, one to the north and one to the south. 251 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 6: And so this is going to be interesting because a 252 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 6: lot of people are moving out of California and they're 253 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 6: coming here and starting production companies. I guess it's a 254 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 6: much more affordable for one thing. Plus, there's plenty of 255 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 6: land here. It's a blank slate. You can do whatever 256 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 6: you want. And there are lots of famous people who 257 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 6: live here in Las Vegas who are helping. 258 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 4: To spearhead this. 259 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 6: Nicholas Cage lives near me, Mark Wahlberg does, and guys 260 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 6: like that have been going to the government and sort 261 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 6: of cheerleading for tax breaks for production and everything. 262 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 4: So it's kind of cool. 263 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 6: When you when you live at a place like this 264 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 6: entertainment capital of the world, to go out once in 265 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 6: a while you have, you know, your celebrity sighting that's 266 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 6: always just out of the blue. In fact, last night, 267 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 6: Larne and I went to a steakhouse in a kind 268 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 6: of an upscale suburb of Las Vegas. And this was 269 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 6: close to dusk, I mean, the sun was still up. 270 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 6: But as Larne and I were walking in the front door, 271 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 6: there were a couple of men who were sitting there 272 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 6: on the bench waiting for the valet to bring their 273 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 6: car back. And the valet had just pulled the car up, 274 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 6: and so one of the guys ran to get the car, 275 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 6: and the other guy stood up and he kind of 276 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 6: like stood up right in front of me. So there 277 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 6: was a moment where we were kind of awkwardly in 278 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 6: each other's way. And this guy had tan skin, black mustache, 279 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 6: black shoulder linked hair, and he was wearing this fedora 280 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 6: with a big jewel on the front, and he had 281 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 6: all kinds of sort of south Western jewelry and stuff, 282 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 6: and so you know, we we locked eyes, and again 283 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 6: we had the awkward moment where we're about to walk 284 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 6: into each other, and then I paused and said after you, 285 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 6: and he nodded and was and so he just walked 286 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 6: by me and he went on to this car, which 287 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 6: was the valet only only parked the car like ten 288 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 6: feet away. So anyway, I passed this h this and 289 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 6: he's an older fella, you know. So I passed him 290 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,959 Speaker 6: and we walked in the door, and Lauren looks at 291 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 6: me and goes, that was Carlos Santana. 292 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 4: And I looked. 293 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 6: At her and I was like, yeah, that was Carlos Santana. 294 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 6: It's like I didn't when you see it's so funny 295 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 6: when you see a celebrity out of the blue, unexpectedly, 296 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 6: out of context. Often it just you do not put 297 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 6: two and two together. And of course then I turned 298 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 6: back around and I saw they were getting into a nice, 299 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 6: fancy car, and it was I mean, it was obviously 300 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 6: Carlo Santana, considered one of the greatest guitarists of all time, 301 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 6: who obviously had just finished eating at the steakhouse. He's 302 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 6: seventy six years old, you know, he was born in Mexico, 303 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 6: even played at Woodstock. And it turns out I looked 304 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 6: it up and sure enough, he has or at least 305 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 6: had a mansion in that area. And I say had 306 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 6: because I know it was up for sale at some point. 307 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 6: But he obviously hangs out around this. 308 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 4: Neck of the woods. 309 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 6: And you know, it's funny to think of, like, how 310 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 6: many Carlos Santana fans would have just like put that, 311 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 6: like on their bucket list of one of the most 312 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 6: profound moments of their lives. To run into this guy, 313 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 6: and we just had a pleasant exchange as we were 314 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 6: walking past each other in and out of a restaurant. Know, 315 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 6: it's just one of the fun little things about living 316 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 6: here in Vegas. I ran into Weiman from Jackass a 317 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 6: while back, but I knew who he was, of course, 318 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 6: so I got a picture with him. I don't usually 319 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 6: go up to celebrities and talk to them, but come on, 320 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 6: wei Man, All right, back to the movie stuff. What 321 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 6: is going on here? How do we explain the fact 322 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 6: that the Dark Side of the Moon somehow seems to 323 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 6: so perfectly sync up with. 324 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 4: The Wizard of Oz. Well, look, I think. 325 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 6: The only way we might be able to explain this 326 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 6: is by accepting that there is some kind of grand 327 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 6: design behind the pace of reality, which is why certain 328 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 6: world events tend to mimic each other over time. You 329 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 6: see dramas play out, wars and periods of peace and 330 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 6: all that. They go through cycles, and you can almost 331 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 6: take one part of history and overlap it with another 332 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 6: part of history, and you can see the pendulum swinging 333 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 6: back and forth. But it's easier, perhaps to see how 334 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 6: spec it can get when you look at how certain 335 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 6: people resonate with each other. Of course, the most famous 336 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 6: example of this, I've talked about it before is the 337 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 6: list of coincidences between Abraham Lincoln and John F. 338 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 4: Kennedy. 339 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 6: For example, Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy who told 340 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 6: him not to go to forge theater. Kennedy had a 341 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 6: secretary named Lincoln who warned him not to go to Dallas. 342 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 6: Both let's see here, Booth the guy who killed Lincoln. 343 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 6: Booth ran from a theater and was caught in a warehouse. 344 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 6: Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater. 345 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 6: Both presidents were elected to Congress in forty six and 346 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 6: later to the presidency in sixty. Both assassins, John Wilkes 347 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 6: Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald were born in thirty nine 348 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 6: and known by their three names composed of fifteen letters. 349 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 6: I mean, this kind of stuff goes on and on. 350 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 6: It's just crazy. It's truly inexplicable. Even if some of 351 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 6: it is exaggerated, there is enough of it that you 352 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 6: cannot deny this residence, and you find that in the 353 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 6: same way that people resonate with each other. I think 354 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 6: artistic projects too. You know, I've also talked about I 355 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 6: think Lauren Coleman was the first person who really pointed 356 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 6: out this thing. 357 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 4: He called the name game. 358 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 6: How that okay? You take, for example, George Reeves, the 359 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 6: first guy who played Superman on TV. His life ended tragically. 360 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 6: He supposedly committed suicide. 361 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 4: He might have been murdered. And then you have. 362 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 6: The first guy who really became famous for playing Superman 363 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 6: on on the big screen, Christopher Reeve. And look what 364 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 6: happened to him. He ended up paralyzed after a horse 365 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 6: riding accident. So there's George Reeve and Christopher Reeves, or 366 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 6: George Reeves and Christopher Reeve, no relation, bad things happened 367 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 6: to them. And then Keanu Reeve he had tragedy in 368 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 6: his life life where very close loved ones died in 369 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 6: a car accident. 370 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 4: I recall. 371 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 6: There seems to be residences between people that are sometimes 372 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 6: represented by names. People asked me all the time if 373 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 6: I'm related to Ed and Lorraine Warren, and of course 374 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 6: I am not, but it's I can understand why people 375 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 6: think that. In fact, I remember when I was like 376 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 6: a kid in middle school or high school, coming across 377 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 6: some ghost book and it mentioned Ed Lorraine Warren and 378 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 6: that was the only time I'd ever even heard of them, 379 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 6: And then all these years later they became really famous, 380 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 6: at least from what I can tell, famous to me 381 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 6: when the conjuring stuff started. But I've actually had people 382 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 6: accused me of calling myself Warren to ride on their coattails. 383 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 6: It's like, no, there's no relation there. I actually did 384 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 6: get to meet Lorraine Warren, and there's actually a picture 385 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 6: of the two of us together on my Instagram page, 386 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 6: which I believe is Joshua P. Warren podcasts on Instagram 387 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 6: and very nice. Lady Ed was dead by that time, 388 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 6: but no relationship, and then being still sticking with the 389 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 6: name game Warren zevon one of my favorite singers. He 390 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 6: sung about spooky things like Werewolves of London and Roland 391 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 6: the Headless Thompson Gunner, and so I kind of feel 392 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 6: like that, in the same way that events can resonate 393 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 6: with each other and people can resonate with each other, 394 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 6: works of art can also resonate with each other, and 395 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 6: it doesn't have to be intentional at all, as a 396 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 6: matter of fact, it pretty much is not intentional at all. 397 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 6: It just so happens to work out that way. So 398 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 6: I have no doubt that when these guys were making 399 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 6: Dark Side of the Moon they had no intention of 400 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 6: it somehow synchronizing with the Wizard of Oz, and yet 401 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,959 Speaker 6: the fact that it did is even further evidence to 402 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 6: me of this great grand cosmic design between all things 403 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 6: in life, and especially how that that can pop up 404 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 6: and you become much more aware of it when you're 405 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 6: looking at people expressing themselves artistically, and even though those 406 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 6: two have very little to do with each other artistically, 407 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,479 Speaker 6: when you see them put together, well, they actually do 408 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 6: have something quite common there that was unintentional. In fact, 409 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 6: I'll tell you something else that's kind of interesting about movies. 410 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 6: People have told me for a lot of my life 411 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 6: that they think I have a bit of like an 412 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 6: Orson Wells energy around me, because of course he got 413 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 6: famous in radio doing his War of the World's stunt 414 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 6: about aliens invading, and then later on, of course he 415 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 6: was a multimedia man. He was a great storyteller. He 416 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 6: was always writing and making movies. And that's kind of 417 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 6: funny because I was looking at some of his work recently, 418 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 6: and of course his masterpiece was Citizen King. And it 419 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 6: just so happened to tie in with something that I've 420 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 6: been bringing into my house lately as part of Maya 421 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 6: and Laurens redecorating. It has to do with the classic 422 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 6: horror movie The Creature from the Black Lagoon. There's kind 423 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 6: of an odd story about how that movie came to be, 424 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 6: and when we come back, well, I'm going to share 425 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 6: it with you. I kind of tend to think if 426 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 6: I find something interesting, then well you might find it 427 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 6: interesting as well. And we're sticking with the movie themes 428 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 6: and I don't know a bit of synchronicity and how 429 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 6: things kind of come together in unexpected ways. I'm Joshua P. Warren, 430 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 6: and you're listening to strange things on the iHeartRadio and 431 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 6: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network, and I will 432 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 6: be back after these important messages. 433 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 4: Don't go anywhere. 434 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: There's more strange things coming right up. 435 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 7: Hey, folks, we need your music. 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That's Coast 444 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 7: to Coast AM. 445 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,959 Speaker 5: Now back to the Wizard of Weird on the iHeartRadio 446 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 5: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 447 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 4: Welcome back to Strange Things. 448 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 6: On the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 449 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 4: I'm your host, Joshua P. 450 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 6: Warren, and this is the show where the unusual becomes usual. 451 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 6: I am a great lover of art, so as my 452 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 6: wife and so as we are decorating our house. We've 453 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 6: only owned this house here in Vegas a couple of years, 454 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 6: so there's a lot that goes into getting a house 455 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 6: up and running, and so we're just now really getting 456 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 6: more into the decorating part. I enjoy purchasing metaphysical tools 457 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 6: that are very functional and can be used in my practices, 458 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 6: my meditations, my rituals. 459 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 4: And all that stuff. 460 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 6: But when not in use, also look great as a 461 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 6: work of art, just sitting on a shelf or an 462 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 6: altar or hanging on a wall. I'm always looking for 463 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 6: that combo. I think the two go hand in hand, 464 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 6: a sort of synergy there. And of course, last year, 465 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 6: as you may or may not recall, I discovered this 466 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 6: fantastic artisan here in the United States. 467 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 4: Who makes jewelry. 468 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 6: He smelts the metals by hand, and I worked with 469 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,719 Speaker 6: him to create the electroum ring, which contains gold and silver, 470 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 6: and everybody loves the electrom ring. But we just did 471 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 6: that for a limited period of time. And I went 472 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 6: back to him a few months ago and I said, 473 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 6: you know what, I'm sure this would not be cheap, 474 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 6: but would you be willing just for me to make 475 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 6: an electroum wand and he goes, wow, I've never tried that, 476 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 6: And I said, well, I will pay you handsomely, and 477 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 6: we discussed how it should look at everything, and sure enough, 478 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 6: you can imagine it's that kid on Christmas morning Phenomenon. 479 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 6: The day it arrived, I was grinning from ear to ear. 480 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 6: He made me this wand I was the only person 481 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 6: in the world, okay, to have this from a custom 482 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 6: original mold eight and a half inches long that's twenty 483 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 6: one point fifty nine centimeters made of bronze, with an 484 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 6: electrum tip that's fifty fifty gold and silver. This thing 485 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 6: feels heavy and solid in the hand. You got to 486 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 6: see a picture of this thing. Okay, this is the 487 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 6: Roll's Rooice of Wands, and I haven't told anybody about it, 488 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 6: and I've been using it and all I do to 489 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 6: manifest with it as I go out and I point 490 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 6: it at the sky and I say out loud what I 491 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 6: want and then I say. 492 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 4: Thank you. 493 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 6: That's all I have to do with this wand And 494 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 6: when I'm not using it, it sits on this in 495 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 6: this beautiful stand, on this altar, and I mean. 496 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 4: It, just it again. 497 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 6: It makes it gives you cold chills when you think 498 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 6: about what it can do. You've got to see a 499 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 6: picture of this thing. And I was going to just 500 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,959 Speaker 6: keep it all to myself and be like my precious 501 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 6: and then I would mention it sometimes on the podcast. 502 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 6: But you know what I get fun out of allowing 503 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 6: you to experiment with the things that I'm experimenting with, 504 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 6: so we can all compare notes. So I asked him 505 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 6: if he would be willing to make some of these electroum. 506 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 4: Wands for you, if you. 507 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 6: Are like me and I'm talking to the exact same 508 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 6: one that I've got, And he said that he would 509 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 6: do that. So right now as I record this, he 510 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 6: is taking requests. There's no guarantee, but if you are 511 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 6: interested in getting an electroum wand he also said that 512 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 6: he'll for the time being, he will also make more 513 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 6: electron rings and as a matter of fact, to even 514 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 6: make a thicker version. Some people have emailed saying, I 515 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 6: love my electron ring. Is there is it possible to 516 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 6: get a thicker one? So I said great. So I 517 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 6: don't know how long this is going to last, but 518 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 6: go to electroumshop dot com E L E C t 519 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 6: R U M electroumshop dot com. Even if you don't 520 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 6: intend to buy anything, just like watch the videos and 521 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,479 Speaker 6: like look at the pictures and look at this wand 522 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 6: it is breathtaking. And that's why you can see like 523 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 6: I like stuff like that because when I'm not using it, 524 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 6: it's a work of art. But what's even odd, even 525 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 6: more odd about all this is that like Lauren and 526 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 6: I have decided in our living room, for example, which 527 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 6: of course we have a big theater there, because you know, 528 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 6: that's not kind of the center of life in this 529 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 6: day and age you have to have a big. 530 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 4: Theater around your living room. 531 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 6: We are going for kind of like a teeky slash ufo, 532 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 6: alien slash oddity kind of theme. Yeah, I'm telling you, 533 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 6: I could sell tickets to my house. They would cost 534 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 6: a lot, but I could do that and people would 535 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 6: buy them. But so we have I don't want to 536 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 6: go into all this detail about exactly how it looks. 537 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 6: Maybe at some point I'll put some pictures up for 538 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 6: you on my Instagram page or whatever. But one of 539 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 6: the things that kind of captures the feeling we're going 540 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 6: for is stuff related to the movie The Creature. Actually 541 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,240 Speaker 6: it's just called Creature from the Black Lagoon nineteen fifty 542 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 6: four released by Universal Studios. Everybody knows this movie, and 543 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 6: so we have, you know, like some vintage posters and 544 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 6: some stuff signed by Riku Browning, the guy who played 545 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 6: Creature in the water, like the underwater scenes. And what's 546 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 6: funny is that as I've been buying all this Creature stuff, 547 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 6: I've got two autograph Creature things, and I have a 548 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 6: creature statue, and like, as I've been buying this creature stuff, 549 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 6: I was looking back into how that movie was made. 550 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 6: And it turns out that going back to Orson Wells 551 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 6: Well in nineteen forty one, during the filming of Citizen Kme, 552 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 6: the crew had a dinner party and one of these 553 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:10,359 Speaker 6: producers named William A. Land or William alland he came 554 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 6: to this dinner party. So here he is sitting there 555 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 6: having dinner. Sure, he's probably I can just imagine, it's 556 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 6: nineteen forty one. They're smoking their cigarettes, They've had a 557 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 6: couple of cocktails or whatever. He's sitting there and he 558 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 6: starts up this conversation at the dinner table with this 559 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 6: Mexican cinematographer named Gabrielle Fugera. And as they are having 560 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,800 Speaker 6: their dinner talk, the cinematographer starts telling this producer about 561 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 6: this myth of a race of half fish, half human 562 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 6: creatures in the Amazon River. And this immediately piques the 563 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,320 Speaker 6: interest of this producer, William Aloud, and so he starts 564 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 6: taking some notes and he starts thinking about this, and 565 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 6: he dwells on this idea for ten years, and then 566 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 6: ten years later, I don't know he felt the time 567 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,399 Speaker 6: was right, and he went out and he's found some 568 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 6: professional writers to expand this thing, and they turned it 569 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 6: into this treatment for a movie called The Black Lagoon, 570 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 6: and then you know, it picked up steam and they 571 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,280 Speaker 6: ended up making this movie Creature from the Black Lagoon. 572 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 6: And so so who would think the Creature from the 573 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 6: Black Lagoon came from a dinner party at Citizen At 574 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 6: the making of Citizen case just weird. But you know, 575 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 6: there were two actors who played Creature and one played 576 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 6: him on Land and the other was the guy who 577 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 6: played in the underwater scenes. The guy who played him 578 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 6: on Land was named Ben Chapman and they called Creature 579 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 6: gil Man. And those scenes were shot at Universal City 580 00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 6: in California, and they say this costume was just, oh, 581 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 6: it was just miserable to be inside this thing that 582 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 6: once they put this actor inside of it, that he 583 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 6: was unable. The way it was made, he could not 584 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 6: sit down for fourteen hours each day, and this thing 585 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 6: overheated easily. So they had a backlot. 586 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 4: Lake, you know that they made there. 587 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,439 Speaker 6: And if he was frequently saying like please hose me down, 588 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 6: hose me down, stay, take him out, the hose him down. 589 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 6: And sometimes they would just put him in the water 590 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,919 Speaker 6: and let him float around for a while to cool off. 591 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 6: He could not see very well while he was wearing 592 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 6: the head piece. There's, of course, there's this damsel in 593 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 6: distress in this movie, played by Julie Adams, and they 594 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 6: said that sometimes because he couldn't see well, he'd be 595 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 6: like carrying her and he would accidentally scrape her head 596 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 6: against these rocky grotto walls. 597 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 4: I mean that's rough stuff, man. You know. 598 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 6: Actors would not put up with that nowadays. I don't 599 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 6: think they would say, you give me a foam rock here, 600 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 6: But no, they're scraping this woman's head on the wall 601 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,479 Speaker 6: of this cave or whatever because the guy can't see. 602 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 6: And then when they decided to do the underwater shots, 603 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 6: they went to Florida, well Cool of Springs, Florida, and 604 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 6: that's when they brought in Recoop Browning, who played all 605 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 6: the underwater stuff. He's the man that everybody really knows best, 606 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 6: because everybody knows those underwater scenes best. And they said, 607 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 6: this guy, Recoop Browning, he could hold his breath for 608 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 6: up to four minutes at a time. He said, quote, 609 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,760 Speaker 6: if you're not doing anything at all four minutes as possible. 610 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 6: But if you're moving in the water, well you know 611 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 6: it's not. If you're swimming fast or fighting, you use 612 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 6: up a lot of oxygen and it cuts it down. 613 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 4: To at the most two minutes. End quote. 614 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 6: Wow, talk about a fit guy. As a matter of fact, 615 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 6: Recoop Browning, he lived to be an old man. Let's see, 616 00:38:55,719 --> 00:39:00,240 Speaker 6: he died. He died last year and he was nicey 617 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 6: three years old, and so I have two pieces signed 618 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 6: by him, the guy who was playing the creature down 619 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 6: there under the water. Isn't that Isn't that interesting though? 620 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 6: To think about how these movies came to be and 621 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 6: how they used to make them versus now with all 622 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 6: the CGI you watch a movie, it's almost like just 623 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:24,439 Speaker 6: watching a big cartoon. Well, you know, I I've had 624 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 6: some work in movies myself, and I even got the 625 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 6: honor of working for three days with Robin Williams on 626 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 6: the movie Patch Adams. As a matter of fact, I 627 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 6: was a featured extra. But I'm just I'm even on 628 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 6: camera in a scene with him and talking about laughing 629 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 6: our heads off for three days. He was a funny, 630 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 6: funny man. There's no doubt about it. And a super 631 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:47,800 Speaker 6: nice guy. 632 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 4: But you know, when we. 633 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 6: Come back from this break, I want to talk about 634 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 6: something that I've been putting off for a while because 635 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 6: I have a friend who was He was almost maybe 636 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 6: just as funny as Robin Williams when you hung out 637 00:39:59,480 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 6: with him. 638 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not. 639 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 6: Even I'm not exaggerating. His name was Scott Grewenwald. He 640 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 6: was famous, he was on TV and he passed away 641 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 6: last year. And I was thinking about him the other day. 642 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 6: And because we start on a TV show together, and 643 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 6: when we come back, I want to tell you a 644 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 6: little bit about Scott Grewenwald and synchronicity. I'm Joshua Pee Warren. 645 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 6: You're listening to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast 646 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 6: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be 647 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 6: right back. 648 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 3: Hang in there. Josh is coming right back on the 649 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 3: iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Every 650 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,959 Speaker 3: eight minutes. The American Red Cross brings help and hope 651 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 3: to people in need. 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Warren on the iHeartRadio 658 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 3: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 659 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 6: Welcome back to the final segment of this edition of 660 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,720 Speaker 6: Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM 661 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,240 Speaker 6: Paranormal Podcast Network. 662 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,360 Speaker 4: I am your host, Joshua P. A. 663 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 6: Warren, And over the years, I have done a lot 664 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 6: of television work. I mean, if you name a major channel, 665 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,040 Speaker 6: I've probably been on a you know, History, Discovery, Travel, 666 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,879 Speaker 6: Animal Planet, TLC. 667 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 4: I mean, I mean I did that. 668 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 6: A lot, and I don't do it so much anymore 669 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:43,080 Speaker 6: because it's very time consuming, and you know, I've just 670 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 6: moved on to other types of projects. I turned down 671 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 6: TV offers all the time. But back in twenty twelve, 672 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,319 Speaker 6: I was right in the thick of it, and I 673 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,280 Speaker 6: was a cast member on a show on the Travel 674 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 6: Channel for a whole season called Paranormal p Operazzi. And 675 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,239 Speaker 6: by the way, when you're doing TV and you have 676 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 6: a crew out there on a paranormal show and they're 677 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 6: trying to capture something paranormal right then and there, there's 678 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,800 Speaker 6: a lot of pressure, and sure enough, I would bring 679 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 6: portable wishing machines out to the set and in the 680 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,360 Speaker 6: field sometimes to see if I could help increase the 681 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 6: chances of something happening. In fact, doctor Mulder created a 682 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,920 Speaker 6: special machine just for that purpose called the Model Filled X, 683 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 6: and for a while he stopped making it, but he 684 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,240 Speaker 6: contacted me today and he said, you know what, I've 685 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 6: redesigned the internal stuff here and he goes, I'm going 686 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,279 Speaker 6: to make another batch of the Model Filled X. You 687 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,319 Speaker 6: can travel with it, take it out into the field. 688 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,920 Speaker 6: If you're a researcher and you want to try to 689 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,280 Speaker 6: create more activity, whether it's ghosts or UFOs or cryptid 690 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,840 Speaker 6: sidings or whatever. So if you're interested in that, just 691 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 6: go to Wishingmachine project dot com and on the right 692 00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 6: the right side there at the lower end of the 693 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,160 Speaker 6: page it need something portable, and that's where you'll find 694 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,160 Speaker 6: the link to the Field X Wishingmachine project dot com. 695 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 6: But I actually did use the wishing machine in the 696 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 6: field when I was doing this show Paranormal Paparazzi, because 697 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 6: the idea was that I was one of a handful 698 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,399 Speaker 6: of reporters and we went out. We traveled all over 699 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 6: the country filming stories about people having paranormal encounters. And 700 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 6: then we would all get together at the main office 701 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 6: in our studio was in New York City in Manhattan, 702 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,240 Speaker 6: I mean right there, within walking distance of Times Square, 703 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,200 Speaker 6: and we would bring back our reports so we would 704 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 6: all sit there and discuss them together. 705 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 4: And so it was a. 706 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:50,560 Speaker 6: Very it was a very time consuming and elaborate project, 707 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,799 Speaker 6: because I mean you're talking about half the time you're 708 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,800 Speaker 6: out in the field in the middle of nowhere, just 709 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,040 Speaker 6: you and your producer, out in the jungle or the desert, 710 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,440 Speaker 6: the you never know where you're going to be. And 711 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 6: then after that you go back to New York and 712 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 6: spend a few weeks there filming stuff in the studio. 713 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,680 Speaker 6: And I didn't like living in New York. It felt 714 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 6: too claustrophobic to me. I need more space than that. 715 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:15,480 Speaker 6: No matter where you. 716 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 4: Are, there's always somebody else right there. 717 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,439 Speaker 6: But during my time in New York, that is when 718 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 6: I became friends with Scott Gruenwald. I'd never met him before, 719 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,520 Speaker 6: he was a cast member on the show. I ended 720 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,360 Speaker 6: up spending more time with him than any other cast member. 721 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 6: I saw him almost every day, and like I say, 722 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:41,560 Speaker 6: the guy was absolutely hilarious. He had short gray hair, 723 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 6: he had a gray beard. He had these twinkling dark eyes, 724 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 6: and just laugh lines all over his face because he 725 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,399 Speaker 6: was just constantly cracking jokes and laughing. He was sharp 726 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,840 Speaker 6: as attack, and he always smelled like smoke because he 727 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:02,759 Speaker 6: smoked as much as possible. As a matter of fact, 728 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,840 Speaker 6: there were times where we'd be filming and we'd be like, 729 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,200 Speaker 6: I don't know, maybe on the tenth floor or twelfth 730 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,040 Speaker 6: floor of a building, and we would have a five 731 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:14,319 Speaker 6: minute break, and he would rush down as fast as 732 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,920 Speaker 6: he could and go outside and just inhal a cigarette 733 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,480 Speaker 6: and rush back up and sometimes just run up the 734 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 6: flights of stairs. I don't know how he did it. 735 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,720 Speaker 6: He didn't drink, he'd had problems with that in the past. 736 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:33,640 Speaker 6: But he's definitely smoked. And he ended up dying last 737 00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 6: year of a stroke at the age of sixty. And 738 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,840 Speaker 6: the last time I saw him, he had his stroke 739 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,160 Speaker 6: a few years before he died, and then he had 740 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 6: another stroke and then he died. But I saw him 741 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,320 Speaker 6: between strokes and we were at an event in Chicago 742 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 6: and he was outside smoking a cigarette and I said, Scott, 743 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,920 Speaker 6: didn't you have a stroke recently? 744 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 4: And he said yep. 745 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,400 Speaker 6: I said, why are you still smoking cigarettes? 746 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,279 Speaker 4: He goes, oh, they told me it was it was 747 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 4: the energy drinks. 748 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 6: And I go, okay, And look, I'm not one of 749 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,600 Speaker 6: these people who blame somebody for their own death. And 750 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,280 Speaker 6: that's I think that's a sad phenomenon. It's like anytime 751 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 6: somebody dies, all these people are like, oh, well, they 752 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,560 Speaker 6: they they smoked or they drank, or they ate too much, 753 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,799 Speaker 6: or they didn't exercise enough, or they didn't go to 754 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,200 Speaker 6: the doctor enough or I mean, there's just like there's 755 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,759 Speaker 6: always you know, they took they didn't take the right medicine. 756 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 6: There's this tendency to blame people for their own deaths 757 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,120 Speaker 6: in this culture, and I don't I don't agree with that. 758 00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,319 Speaker 6: But anyway, so he had a stroke and that's what 759 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,200 Speaker 6: finally did him. In the boy I tell you why. 760 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,080 Speaker 6: It was so fun hanging out with that guy. He 761 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,760 Speaker 6: was so funny and he would run around do naked 762 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,640 Speaker 6: ghost hunting, yeah, anything to get a laugh. You may 763 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,680 Speaker 6: have seen him on Ghost Adventures. He was on Ghost 764 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 6: adventures with Zach and the guys. But here's here's what 765 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:59,160 Speaker 6: I want to tell you about him. Aside from the 766 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,359 Speaker 6: fact that he was just from what I could tell, 767 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,720 Speaker 6: just a really great person and a lot of fun 768 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:08,800 Speaker 6: and just a positive force of energy, he also had 769 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,840 Speaker 6: this open mind that would allow him to have a 770 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,560 Speaker 6: lot of synchronicities and interesting things happened to him. And 771 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,799 Speaker 6: you know, I would go out and when we were 772 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,000 Speaker 6: shooting that after we were done, I'd go out at 773 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 6: night and I'd hang out and party in New York 774 00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,680 Speaker 6: until late, and then I'd sleep as late as I could. 775 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 6: He would wake up at like four o'clock in the morning, 776 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,920 Speaker 6: and if I saw him at you know, nine o'clock 777 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,280 Speaker 6: in the morning, he already had like a big story 778 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,000 Speaker 6: to tell me about all the stuff he'd been. 779 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,080 Speaker 4: Doing early that morning. 780 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,800 Speaker 6: So one morning we got together, because sometimes we wouldn't 781 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:42,840 Speaker 6: actually start filming. 782 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,560 Speaker 4: Until later in the afternoon. It just depended. 783 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,000 Speaker 6: But anyway, so one day we got together and he 784 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:49,799 Speaker 6: comes up and he goes, man, you're not gonna believe 785 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,560 Speaker 6: what happened to me today. So he would just go 786 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,960 Speaker 6: out and just roam Manhattan just to see what would 787 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,359 Speaker 6: happen to him. And while we were there filming, at 788 00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:05,640 Speaker 6: one point, the NFL Draft was in town, was in 789 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:10,600 Speaker 6: New York, and he didn't even know it. But at 790 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,360 Speaker 6: some point he's just going in and out of buildings 791 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,000 Speaker 6: and he walks into some big, fancy building and there's 792 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,239 Speaker 6: a big crowd there and there's a lot of press there, 793 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:21,600 Speaker 6: and so he's automatically interested. And as he's kind of 794 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,400 Speaker 6: like standing around, somebody says to him, are you here 795 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:30,040 Speaker 6: for the draft pick? And he said, uh yeah. They said, okay, 796 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,200 Speaker 6: here's your tag, and they gave him a name tag. 797 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,480 Speaker 4: Now, this is just the kind of stuff. 798 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,840 Speaker 6: That he would pull, right because he had nothing to 799 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,160 Speaker 6: do with the NFL draft. The draft is where you 800 00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,440 Speaker 6: pick the players who are gonna make it. Usually these 801 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,640 Speaker 6: are college kids who are suddenly going to become professional 802 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,680 Speaker 6: football players, and it's like you're instantly rich. And so 803 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,040 Speaker 6: he said that they after he had this name tag, 804 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,719 Speaker 6: that he walked into this banquet room and he said 805 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,000 Speaker 6: it was just like, oh my gosh, anything. It was 806 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:06,120 Speaker 6: the King's chamber. They had every type of food open bar. 807 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,200 Speaker 6: Of course, again he didn't drink, but just like he 808 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,440 Speaker 6: was pigging out though and they're eating all the food 809 00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:18,839 Speaker 6: and everybody's just excited and tense. And he said it 810 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,480 Speaker 6: finally it came draft picked time, and he walked into 811 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,560 Speaker 6: this room and here are all these college kids sitting there, 812 00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:31,640 Speaker 6: and they have their families there and there, and everybody's 813 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:36,000 Speaker 6: just praying to God that their kid, their son gets picked, 814 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,799 Speaker 6: you know. And he said that every time a guy 815 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,920 Speaker 6: would get picked, a kid would get picked, that like 816 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,319 Speaker 6: it was like somebody was hitting the lottery in front 817 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,400 Speaker 6: of you, and the whole family would just absolutely explode 818 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,239 Speaker 6: and jump up and down and just cry in a 819 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:54,440 Speaker 6: hug and sing. 820 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:55,480 Speaker 4: He said it was like. 821 00:50:55,480 --> 00:51:01,439 Speaker 6: All day, one after one after one, watching people hit 822 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:06,279 Speaker 6: the lotto, their dreams coming true. He said it was 823 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:13,640 Speaker 6: the most profound thing to witness something like that one 824 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,560 Speaker 6: after the other, hour after hour, and it really just 825 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:22,720 Speaker 6: sort of it made him feel fantastic, and that whenever 826 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,040 Speaker 6: he was feeling down, that was a memory that he 827 00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,960 Speaker 6: would reflect on, something that I call like your go 828 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,840 Speaker 6: to memory. And my book used the forest. That was 829 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:36,880 Speaker 6: his go to memory. And for some reason, whenever I 830 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,880 Speaker 6: think of Scott and I do I miss him, and 831 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:40,920 Speaker 6: I know a lot of people do. 832 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,640 Speaker 4: He was brilliant. He was hilarious, and it's sad that 833 00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:45,240 Speaker 4: he's gone. 834 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,399 Speaker 6: But when I think of him, I like to think 835 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,560 Speaker 6: of that that day he spent watching all these dreams 836 00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,520 Speaker 6: come true, where he was just bathed and nothing but 837 00:51:55,600 --> 00:52:01,160 Speaker 6: waves of radiant happiness, and that I think stuck with him, 838 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:06,920 Speaker 6: I'm sure till the very end. So Scott Grunwald, my friend, 839 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,799 Speaker 6: you were a great guy, And thank you for all 840 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,600 Speaker 6: that you did and contributed, and thank you for all 841 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:16,319 Speaker 6: of the lefts and the fun and the kindness. And 842 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,960 Speaker 6: I know, sir, that you are now resting in peace. 843 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,600 Speaker 6: But if you ever come back as a ghost, at 844 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:30,200 Speaker 6: least to visit me, please keep your pants on. I'm 845 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:34,000 Speaker 6: not into the naked ghost encounter thing. All right, my friends, 846 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,560 Speaker 6: time to end the show with a good fortune tone. 847 00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:37,600 Speaker 6: Take a deep breath. 848 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:39,040 Speaker 4: Here it is. 849 00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,160 Speaker 6: That's it for this edition of the show. Follow me 850 00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:11,279 Speaker 6: on Twitter at Joshua P. 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