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Learn how Schneider Down's big thinking and personal 19 00:00:53,120 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: focus can benefit your organization. Visit schneider Downs dot com. 20 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale, Lolly and Matt Williamson 21 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: on Home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 22 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Dale Ally here with Matt Williamson. This 23 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. And Uh, well 24 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: we usually talked to Bob Labriol on Wednesdays, but given 25 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: all the news that's happened here the last couple of days, uh, 26 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: this is a special occasion. Uh, and so we'll have 27 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: hop on the phone here with Bob Labriola, the editor 28 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: of Steelers Digest and Steelers dot Com. He is the 29 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: esteemed editor of Steelers Digested, Steelers dot com. How you doing, Bob? 30 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: UMT today Wednesday? They're all running together for me to Bob, 31 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: I I think I wu. I write three three pieces 32 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: yesterday and then two more today and radio and I 33 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: got to do another podcast after. Like it just doesn't end. 34 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: What people always ask, what do you do in the 35 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: off season? Well, yeah, it's it's been an eventful one. 36 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: Uh so far. Uh gotta gotta gotta admit that. Yeah, Bob, 37 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: we we knew that Ben Roethlisberger was going to retire. 38 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: This this was not a surprise, um, but the finality 39 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: of it. Um, you know, when when that hits you 40 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: in the face. Is that. How did you react to that? Um? Well, 41 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: I mean I do have to admit that, um, you know, 42 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 1: I might have had a little we were you guys 43 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: a tip of when it was gonna happen. Well, yeah, 44 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: I mean we weren't prepared because, um, you know, if 45 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: anyone has been on speelers dot com, the amount of 46 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: copy was produced by all aspects um of it. You 47 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: know you I mean if we didn't know until you know, 48 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: five to ten that it was happening yesterday, I mean 49 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: that that just isn't possible. It's not humanly possible, you know, 50 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: to turn that kind of stuff around like that. But 51 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: but still, I mean I'm not going to try attempt 52 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: or I don't mean to minimize. Uh, you know, all 53 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: all hands on deck and you know, many days, weeks 54 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 1: and a lot of instances, put a lot of those 55 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: graphics together, and you know, just the research because you know, 56 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: I mean a career like Ben's, you know, just the rankings, Um, 57 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: you know, NFL history rankings, franchise rankings. I mean that 58 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: his career is so storied that um, you know, it's 59 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: not something that you can just slap together. Wouldn't be 60 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: you know, fair to him and what he meant to 61 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: the franchise to do it that way. So, um, you 62 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: know it was it was a lot of work, but 63 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: I mean it was to me, my part of it. 64 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: I'll just speak for myself, who was gratifying. I mean, um, 65 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: you know, eighteen years of pretty much having a chance 66 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: every year in every game, and every year largely because 67 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: of him. Um, and you know, I don't I don't 68 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: know what it's gonna be like without him there. Uh. 69 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: And you know, one thing I do believe is that 70 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: it's not going to be a quick or simple process 71 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: finding a quote unquote replacement, because I mean that that 72 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: that's um, you know, there's only so many unicorns on 73 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: this planet. He was one of them unicorns. Because I 74 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: think some transcendent players can lay in any era. And 75 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: you mentioned eighteen years here, and the NFL changes so 76 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: fast that the NFL is a lot different now than 77 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: it was eighteen years ago. Like mel Blunt could play 78 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: corner right now. I don't know that Jack Hamm would 79 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: be you know, the first round pick now, you know 80 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like everyone's different for their era. But 81 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: I think you could plot bend down in nineteen sixty 82 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy, two thousand and fifty, and he's gonna be 83 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: a star, yeah, because you know there was uh, you know, 84 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: just so much, so many different ways. I mean, you know, 85 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: his just you know, one of the things that's talked about, 86 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: um about him, you know there was special his ability 87 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: to extend plays and you know that kind of thing. Well, 88 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: you know it was more than just that because um, yeah, 89 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: he could extend plays. But then when it came time 90 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: to deliver the ball. I mean, you're talking about an 91 00:05:56,279 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: arm or it's now it's referred armed talent. Uh. Um. 92 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: That to me, you're talking about a very very select 93 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: group alway far um. You know those kind of people 94 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: because you know, you you can almost hear the coaches 95 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: grinding their teeth. Uh. You know, when Ben would be 96 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: sprinting to the right sideline and without stopping, just kind 97 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: of tork his upper body and fire a pass across 98 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: the field on the money. And you know, um NFL 99 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: defensive backs and they're pretty quick people, and you know 100 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: they can cover a lot of ground fast. And I 101 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: remember Super Bowl forty when Ben did that. He went 102 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: all the way across the field to Hines Ward in 103 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: the first half for a thirty seven yard game. Um. 104 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know that I've ever seen that 105 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: before or since. Yeah, right, a long distance um. And 106 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: you know, coaches, if you would describe that Ken Wizzen 107 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: Hunt as an example, who was the offensive coordinator at 108 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: the time, you know, what would you say to a 109 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: second year quarterback who was thinking about that, attempting that 110 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: in a game like that? I mean, he'd lose his mind. 111 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: Don't do that. Yeah, I mean, and we've all you know, 112 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: a lot of times it's associated with basketball. You know, 113 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: when Steph Curry standing at the logo there on the 114 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: sideline and uh, you know, he's starting to get a 115 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: shooting position and you can almost hear the coach, oh no, no, no, no, no, 116 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: great shot as it goes through the net. Um. So 117 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: there were a lot of those kinds of things. Uh 118 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: with Ben and to comeback, I mean, seriously, the comebacks. 119 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning has one more then uh, Ben Roethlisberger. And 120 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: this is like NFL rankings. He's one behind Peyton Manning 121 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: and tied with two guys named Breeze and Brady. Pretty good. Yeah, 122 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: if you think about it, one third of his career 123 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: victories we're comeback victories one third of them. Yeah, it 124 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: became it just became commonplace. I don't know that Steeler 125 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: fans appreciated what that was for for what it was, 126 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: just because because he did it so often. Yeah, and 127 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 1: you know what what what ended up happening. I think 128 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: you know a lot of fans got numb, you know, 129 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: when he didn't when he didn't finish the comeback. You know, 130 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: super Bowl forty five of an example, Roethlisberger lost his 131 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: magic at the end of game, right, um. And the 132 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: other thing that was amazing to me his stat And 133 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: you know, we all have our unique opinions maybe of what, um, 134 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: what season was in terms of you know, a disappointment 135 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: or you know, something to be celebrated or appreciated or whatever. Okay, 136 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: but Ben's comebacks, I think it was seven seven of 137 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: the nine victories, you know, we're comeback wins. Um. And 138 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: that was that ranked in the top ten for a 139 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: season in NFL history. And he's starting nine years almost, 140 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: I mean, still still doing it at that level, you know, 141 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: and and and again I keep going back to you 142 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 1: if this is the NFL history. The NFL started in 143 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: nineteen twenty, boys and girls. I mean, there's a lot 144 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: of years, a lot of people have played that position. Um, 145 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: and for the last eighteen years we have been at 146 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: you have been fortunate enough to see it done at 147 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: an extremely high level, not only in Steelers history, but 148 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: in the history of the sport. Yeah, I agree, Bob, 149 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: And I think to your point about replacing him, Um, 150 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: people thinking, well, the Steelers had no secession plan here, 151 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: they just you don't. You don't. It doesn't happen. You 152 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: have that guy and then you've tried to find the 153 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: next guy. It's I mean, you know, you can point 154 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: to the to the to the Farve Rogers thing all 155 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: you want. That's really the only time in NFL history 156 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: has happened. It's very rare that a team draft has 157 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: one guy in draft, the next one, well, and did 158 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: they do they have the next one? I mean one 159 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: guy's record in the playoffs is not exactly stellar. Um. 160 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: So you know, in a lot of ways, maybe you 161 00:10:55,800 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: can say the Packers had a succession plan. Um, you 162 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: know with Rogers the follow far But you start looking 163 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: at those, um championship games at home, playoff games at 164 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: home and Lambeau and stuff, and then maybe you start 165 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: to rethink that a little bit. So even in that 166 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: case where arguably or certainly it's part of it in 167 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 1: the conversation that they had a nice succession plan going 168 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,839 Speaker 1: when you really get down into it a little bit 169 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: maybe below the first level. Um, you know, it's some 170 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 1: statistically maybe but certainly not in uh terms of playoffs 171 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: success or you know that kind of thing. So you know, 172 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: again it's I'm just trying to emphasize your point that 173 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: it is very very difficult to find these guys. I mean, 174 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 1: it just is. And the phrase franchise quarterback is still 175 00:11:52,760 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: round around way too much, way too much, and um, 176 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 1: you know it's very very very you know, the Scheelers, 177 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: all the years they've been in business, maybe they've had 178 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: two franchise quarterbacks too. So the term franchise quarterback, if 179 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: we're going to really use it like you're supposed to, 180 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: I mean, elite to get thrown around way too much too. 181 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: How long did it take you watching him when he 182 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: got here before you thought that might be an elite 183 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: player a franchise player? Is it was? It apparent right away. 184 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 1: I'm sure he looked different everybody else. Yeah, I mean 185 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: it was one of those things where Um, you know 186 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: one of the things that I did and still do 187 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: back in the day when you know we could actually 188 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: go to training camp and stand on the sideline, but 189 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: you know you could on early a lot of times. 190 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: That's you know, frustrating and tedious, but one of the 191 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, whenever there's a um, whatever position the number 192 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: one pick is, I would like to watch those position drills. 193 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 1: And when it was when it was a quarterback and 194 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: there were four quarterbacks in camp that year, Ben Batch, 195 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: Maddox and Brian Saint Pierre, and you know, they would 196 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: go through a lot, you know, they do a lot 197 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: of the same things together and everybody would drop back 198 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: or everybody would And you know, I'm not I'm not 199 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: a sophisticated talent evaluator, but I'm here to tell you 200 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: I could tell you know, I and I always that 201 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: I used them my wife standard. If my wife can 202 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: watch those four guys and say that big, tall guy 203 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: wearing number seven, he's better than everybody else, that that 204 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 1: is obvious, and it was obvious. Um, you know, I 205 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: referenced it. I've told this story a hundred times. It 206 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: was a Saturday Pro actice, it was before the preseason started. 207 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: Preseason game started, you know, in that dog days kind 208 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: of period, and it was eleven on eleven, you know, 209 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: and was I believe it was still before Fatch's knee 210 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: was injured. So Ben's running third, and um, so you 211 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: play with all the thirds. One of the thirds was 212 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: a free agent wide receiver from Temple made a mere Cob. Now, 213 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: I'm here to tell you the mere Cob was very 214 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: much in the mix. It could be on the fifty 215 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: threemium roster until he broke his leg late in the preseason. 216 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: Because a mere Cob um. He when Ben threw him 217 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: the ball, he caught it. And when Ben was throwing 218 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: him the ball, it was on the money, it was 219 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: on time. It was all of those good things. And 220 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: there was a play. I was standing next to Tounch 221 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: joking on the sideline of the field that they were using, 222 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: and you know, Ben took the snap and they looked 223 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: around a little bit. It was eleven on eleven, and 224 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: so then he starts drifting to his right, and even 225 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: though you're not allowed to hit the quarterback and those things, 226 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: you know, he's running hard towards the right sideline and 227 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: he didn't stop and throw back across his body over 228 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: the middle of the field, twenty five yards down the field, 229 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: but because of the angle, it's a lot farther. He 230 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: just talked his up her body and just let it 231 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: slide and he stuck that football between the one and 232 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: the nine on Zamir Cobbs Jersey. Um, and you could 233 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: hear it hit, you know, like um, and I just 234 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: turned the touch of yoking. I don't even know. I 235 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: probably had the dumbest look on my face maybe ever. 236 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: And he touch looked at me and said Brett Farve 237 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: because touches last year in the NFL. It was with 238 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: the Packers, he was blocking for far and that's that 239 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: you know. That was for me. It was like, yeah, right, 240 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: that's exactly right. So um, yeah, I knew then that 241 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: this guy was, you know, different than Matics and you 242 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: know Charlie Batch, you know all that other all the 243 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: other people who were there. And then he started seeing 244 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: him in his rookie season. Um, you know that that 245 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: stretch it was Halloween, the Steelers beat the unbeaten Patriots, 246 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: and then the next week Sunday at Hindesfield they beat 247 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: the undefeated, uh Philadelphia Eagles. So it's still like late 248 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: October early November. So those teams are like six and 249 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: seven or whatever. Ben ro played Brady and then Donovan McNabb. 250 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: I mean again, it was one of those my wife 251 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: could tell you that it was that obvious, and um, 252 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: yeah there was. There was a lot of those kinds 253 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: of moments in his rookie season. Yeah, absolutely, a lot 254 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: of those moments throughout the course of his career. I 255 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: did want to touch on one of the things that 256 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: the Art Rooney told us today, Bob, that this will 257 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: in fact be Kevin Culvert's final season with the with 258 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers, as the general manager did say that 259 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: he's you know, they're looking at ways for him to 260 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: stay on maybe in kind of a Bill nun type 261 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: capacity where you come in and work with the scouts 262 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: after they go out and gather all the information. Um, 263 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: but you're not going on the road anymore and doing 264 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: all those things. Um, you know, they maybe they don't 265 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: draft of Ben Roethlisberger if they don't have Kevin colburn 266 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: on on on the you know, he had a lot 267 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: of very successful drafts, uh since two thousand. Yeah. Life 268 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: and Adventure and it's waiting. Hi, this is Merril Hodge. 269 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: At S ANDT Bank, they know lives for the living. 270 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: That's why S ANDT Bank offers solutions to help you 271 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: get the most out of it, whether you're investing in 272 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: your home, planning for the future, are just making the 273 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: most of every day. 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Um, you know 282 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: they were watching a video of Ben from Miami of 283 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: Ohio and he did one of those you know, it's 284 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: a mere cod things in a in a game. And 285 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: you know what Kevin's comments was, We're never going to 286 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: be drafted high enough to pick that guy because you know, 287 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 1: again and I'm not disparaging Kevin Colbert's evaluation skills, but 288 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: you do. I mean, you know, when you know, when 289 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: you see something that is very unique and again I was, um, uh, yeah, 290 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: you know, I hope to live long enough to see him, 291 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: and I'm not all that confident I will lab as. 292 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: We mentioned Kevin again and his career was unbelievable. And 293 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: you know, and what would you say are his greatest 294 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: strengths as a general manager scouts? You know, boss? I 295 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: mean the way he handles the scouting staff and communicator 296 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: and he's dealing with Tomlin and you know he's done 297 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: so much. He's collaborative and that's what you have to be. 298 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: That's what you have to be with the Steelers. I 299 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: mean people who think and all are teams like this, 300 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: but people who think you know that Kevin cole because 301 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: you call him general manager and he could walk into 302 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: Mike Collins office and say you're fired. Doesn't work that 303 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: way here. Um you know, Um, Kevin doesn't walk into 304 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 1: the draft room, you know, and say this is who 305 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: we're picking on the first round. It doesn't work that way. Uh. 306 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,479 Speaker 1: The Meek of Fitzpatrick trade had to be approved. I mean, 307 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: Kevin doesn't have the ability or the response of the 308 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,239 Speaker 1: power or whatever would you want to use to go 309 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: in the art room. You do the second's office and 310 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: say hey, I traded next year's number one pick for 311 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: the safety uh in Miami. Okay, sure again, it doesn't 312 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,959 Speaker 1: work that way. It didn't work that way when the 313 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: head of the personel compartment was that one of his 314 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: owner's sons. You know. So, um, yeah, you have to 315 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: you have to be collaborative that job. Check here he 316 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: goo at the door. Right. Ego lists, because if you 317 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: think you know it almore or um, you know, you 318 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: think you're gonna be Mike Cannonbaum or some of those 319 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: other ego madiacs who um, every time they open their mouths, 320 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: they show what they don't know. Um, that's that. That 321 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: doesn't cut it here and so um his ability two 322 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: fit in and you know, um work with people. And 323 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: how many times have we heard Mike com and say 324 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: about how much funny he was, you know, going pro 325 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: days with Kevin and you know there's the same mindset 326 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,959 Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. I mean, that's that's 327 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: that's a skill. Oh, there's no doubt about it. Because 328 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: he did it with Bill Cower and then he did 329 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: it with Mike Tomlin. I mean those two as as 330 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: great a coaches as they are, they're pretty kind of 331 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of of the 332 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: personality types. Right, and um oh, let me just throw 333 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: this in. I know this is off topic, but Frenny 334 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: Steelers fans out there who don't think or didn't believe 335 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: or whatever that Bill Kower called plays on the sidelines, 336 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 1: people are delusional. People are delusional. I referenced when he 337 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: said that. Remember when he said that when Jim Hasn't 338 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: was the defensive coordinator, I'm the defensive coordinator here. Yeah, 339 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: and he had he told he told Ken Wison hunt 340 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: and this was sometimes the way he would do it. 341 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: Would you know, through the communicators say the play and 342 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: Connor would get on it and say to him, I 343 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: don't like that. Think of something else. The clocks running, 344 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't even and and again I'm not 345 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 1: disparaging Bill Coward. I'm just saying, you know, people think 346 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: that this is some kind of radical, uh unique move 347 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: that Mike Palmer is making. Seriously, Ah, that's hey, Matt, 348 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: tell people how the NFL works. Um. I think last 349 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: week Dale went through all the head coaches in the league, 350 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: and the most successful ones are calling plays in some capacity. 351 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: You know, all four, all four teams of this weekend's finals, 352 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: all the ones that are alive. Yeah, so I mean, anyway, 353 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: sorry to digress, but I mean that's um. You know, 354 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: Kevin's ability to to bring people together, UM, to work together, 355 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: you know, rather than pulling in a lot of different 356 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: directions is a skill. Um. And he is organized. Um. 357 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: They have a system that they use. Uh. And you 358 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: know one of the problems that I remember from nine 359 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: draft was, and I was Chuck Noll still the Steelers 360 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: looked like two guys, Tim Worley, the running back from 361 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: Georgia and Andre Risen and the wide receiver from Michigan State. Now, 362 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: in grading them and all that stuff, one of the 363 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: things that they never was what if they're both available? 364 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: When we picked seventh, they were And so now you're 365 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: you're trying to you're scrambling with fifteen minutes I think 366 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: was the time between picks in that era. Well, now 367 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: you know you're you're you're trying to figure something out. Well, 368 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: that never happened with the Steelers because they would go 369 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: through all the different permutations and you know whatever, and 370 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: so you were never shocked. Who when the Brown stepped 371 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: up and did something really stupid and pick a tight 372 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: end um traded up the fifth overall and unfore to 373 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: pick the tight end UM forecast the quarterback on the 374 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: board who would torture them for the next twenty years. 375 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: So um. But so that kind of organization taking ahead 376 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: and that kind of stuff. UM, you know, uh, Kevin Uh, 377 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: as I said, very thorough, um, very detailed. Um, as 378 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: you mentioned jail Dale, the ability to handle coaches with 379 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: such different personalities as Bill Cower and Mike Tomba at 380 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: the skill as well. That's along those lines. Even if 381 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: they happen to hire Kevin's successor from outside the building, 382 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: they're not going to change the way they scout players 383 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: or their system or the stuff has been in place 384 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 1: since Bill Nunnon and you know way back when, right, 385 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, basically, I mean if they hire a 386 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: GM from the outside and this guy thinks he's gonna 387 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: walk into the office that I'm the Hall of Monkey 388 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: Thomas office and say hey, you're fine, you know, UM, 389 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: that is gonna work out for him either or we 390 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: I want to pick this guy, you know first, or 391 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: I want to trade this guy for this um. You 392 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: know again, that's that's just that's not the way this 393 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: franchise does business, and it's not I don't know, um, 394 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: but it's ever gonna be the way the franchise does business. 395 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: And fans can complain about the Steelers being set in 396 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: their ways, um, but you know my answer to that is, 397 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: you know they've had to errors of great success and 398 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: too you know that we're almost thirty years apart. So 399 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: apparently if they haven't changed what they've done and they've 400 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: been successful in too fastly different areas and airs, excuse me, 401 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: maybe you know what they're doing isn't the problem. It's um, 402 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: how it's it's how they're doing it isn't the problem. 403 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: It's what they're doing isn't always you know, right right, 404 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: And nobody's ever right a hundred percent of the time. 405 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure you know the people who wanted well, they 406 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: missed on this pick or they missed on out, you 407 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: never hear them talk about the hits, like getting t J. 408 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: Water Kim Heyward at the end of the first round 409 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: his Matt and I talked about, you know, Colbert's drafts 410 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 1: over over the years, he's averaged pick in the draft. 411 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: You're not getting blue blue chip guys there, right, the 412 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: guys that the guys that your wife could pick labs. 413 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,479 Speaker 1: He doesn't have the choice of those guys, right right? Um, 414 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 1: because uh you know, uh just a Tom Donahoe who 415 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: was um they called it director of football Operations. Um. 416 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: He told me the story about you know, he interviewed 417 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: in Seattle and you know they were talking about what 418 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: a great first round pick they had Walter Jones. When 419 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: they pick him second or third or something McDonald's that 420 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: I told the guy, my wife knows Walter Jones can play. 421 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: Who's getting the fifth round? You know that kind of game? Um? 422 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: So um, that's you know. And uh, the other thing 423 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: I really like is, um, they can't draft cornerbacks. Well, 424 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: if you look where they were picking them, Um, you 425 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: know you missed Shaquille was his name, Shaquille Richardson or 426 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 1: someone in the fifth round? How many fifth round cornerbacks 427 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: are hits? Right? I mean seriously, Yeah, you were in 428 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 1: that part of the business. Uh. People don't understand that 429 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: if you look some things you're looking for when you look, 430 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: it's when you look for him, uh that it really 431 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: says whether the guy is going to be a successor 432 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 1: on it. Because Tom Brady isn't an example of a 433 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: great pick by New England. Tom Brady is an example 434 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: of stupidity league wide, including the right because if the 435 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: New England Patriots new Tom Brady was gonna be Tom 436 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: Brady and they didn't pick him in the first round, 437 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: that's football now practice. I agree completely, Bob. We're out 438 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 1: of time here. We're gonna let you go. Maybe we'll 439 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 1: catch up with you here in a few weeks when 440 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,959 Speaker 1: we get a little bit more into this process. But 441 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: as always, we appreciate you dropping by and uh installing 442 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: some knowledge on us here. We'd we always like that. 443 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: I can, that's what, that's what That's what makes me 444 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: a steam. That's what that's what makes you a steam. 445 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: I'm just steamed, you know. That's he is Bob Labriola, 446 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: editor of Steelers Digestive Steelers dot Com. Uh form my 447 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: partner Matt Jimeson for Brian Lamartine here on site keeping 448 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: us on the air. I'm Dale Lally. We appreciate you 449 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: listening to this edition of the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio, 450 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: Life and Adventure and it's waiting Hi. This is Merril 451 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: Hodge at S ANDT Bank. 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