1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 2: It's the Almost Famous podcast, and we are continuing to 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 2: be your place to go to to get all the 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: breaking news on your upcoming Bachelor Atte Taylor Frankie Paul. 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 2: As we get closer and closer to her season premiering 7 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 2: this weekend, we do have some things we want to 8 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: discuss we need to discuss. This morning, Taylor made an 9 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: appearance on Good Morning America after attending a media dinner 10 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: last night. We're going to cover her GMA segment from 11 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 2: this morning. But first off, what were you expecting when 12 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: she announced that they were going to air a segment 13 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 2: with her on GMA? And what did you think of 14 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 2: her segment once you saw it? Please leave your comments below. 15 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: We had a big day yesterday, Heather. You were on 16 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: air all day and also on the computer and the 17 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: cell phone, finding every headline and every source we could 18 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: to try to piece together what exactly is happening in 19 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 2: this in this moment and what exactly this news of 20 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: the cameras shutting down on secret lives and Mormon wives means. 21 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: There's a lot of allegations out there. I can't say 22 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 2: that we have a lot of clarity, and Heather, let's 23 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 2: start by saying GMA gave me less clarity. 24 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 3: I would have to agree with that. I was actually 25 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 3: not expecting a segment. I was expecting a sit down interview. 26 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 3: I was expecting, like teasing, probably all morning we'll be 27 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 3: having the exclusive with Taylor, Frankie, Paul Blink and you 28 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 3: miss it. That was real, real quick to get her 29 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 3: in and out. 30 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: I'm trying to make sense of all of this. Domestic 31 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: violence is obviously a massive issue. It is, it is 32 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: a massive problem, but these are still we don't even 33 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: know exactly the details of what happened, Like we don't 34 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: know anything. So we're piecing together from sources and again 35 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: we're bringing in allegations that are have yet to be 36 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 2: proven true. But yet something's happened. That's obvious because she 37 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: went on GMA. So that happened, and the cameras shut 38 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: down at Secret Lives of Mormon lives, so we're basing 39 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: everything off of that. This GMA segment felt, I mean, 40 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: one what they do flyer in yesterday say hey, tomorrow 41 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: you're gonna jump on air, and it was I would say, 42 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 2: like pointless to me. It just didn't mean anything. 43 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 3: She seemed unprepared to me, is that how you felt 44 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 3: watching it? 45 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: Unprepared and probably told it seemed like she was told, hey, 46 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: don't really say anything, speak about your emotion. So she says, 47 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 2: it's a heavy time. I can't disagree with that, but 48 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 2: there was no like digging into the details. There was 49 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: a lot of kind of umbrella speak, as I would 50 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: call it, just glazing over things. 51 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 3: And it makes sense you call it umbrella speak. I 52 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 3: call it word salad. 53 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 2: Word salad. And again, no matter what happened here, I 54 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 2: get that, But why have her on if you know 55 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: that's going to be the outcome? 56 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 3: I agree, I was expecting more. I was expecting also 57 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 3: maybe some sign of emotion, something a little choked up, 58 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 3: maybe a little bit of a tear, and we didn't 59 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 3: get that either. She seemed perplexed by the first couple 60 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 3: of questions, and basically Laura Spencer starts by giving her 61 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 3: the opportunity to speak about the domestic violence headlines, which 62 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 3: I had a feeling she wasn't going to say much 63 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 3: in regards to that. 64 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: Well, nor should she, because right it's still I don't 65 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 2: even know if it's under investigation. 66 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 3: It's it's ongoing. 67 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: It's ongoing, so there's a very little she could say 68 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: in general. She didn't make this comment. Heather and I 69 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: want to dig into it a little bit. On the 70 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: Vile Files, they had two guests on about nine months ago. 71 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: They've reshared this, and the guests claim that Dakota sabotages 72 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 2: these big moments for Taylor. Yes, we don't know if 73 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: that's true or not, but this is what the two 74 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 2: guests on the Vile Files was sharing. And then Taylor 75 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: Yes or today and her interview shared that it's unfortunate 76 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: that this premiere something exciting for her now is kind 77 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 2: of a heavy time. It kind of feels like if 78 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 2: you read through the lines, those three Taylor and the 79 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,679 Speaker 2: two guests and the Vile Files are trying to say 80 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 2: something without actually saying it. 81 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 3: I would say that there could be truth to that, 82 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 3: but I have to keep going back to the fact 83 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 3: that this happened three weeks ago. 84 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not right. 85 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 3: It happened two days ago, right before your premiere. It 86 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 3: happened three weeks ago. Whatever this situation was, and it's 87 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 3: been being kept under wraps. Now is that close to 88 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 3: your premiere and has the chance to ruin your premiere. Absolutely, 89 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 3: but it doesn't feel It feels like when somebody says 90 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: that that it's coming across as like they're doing this 91 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 3: because of my premiere. Again, we don't know. We don't 92 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 3: know what the inner workings of her relationship is with 93 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 3: Dakota and if this is calculated, but we do know 94 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 3: that the cops were called like that, there's proof of that. 95 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 5: Hey, guys, jumping in here, so sorry, my phone was 96 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 5: on silent and I lost track of time. I was 97 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 5: just thinking, you know, I was just like in deep 98 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 5: thought and I lost track of time about this interview 99 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 5: because I found it to be the strangeous thing. I'm 100 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 5: assuming you guys have already approached that. 101 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 3: We said a whole lot of nothing was said up top, 102 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 3: and word salad is what I used, and said umbrella 103 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 3: something umbrella is that like, a whole lot of mess 104 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 3: is what we meant. Okay, but I'm interested to hear 105 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 3: what you think Ashley about. You know, let's jump into 106 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 3: the part where, uh, they said that they reached out 107 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 3: to Dakota for a response. The look on her face 108 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 3: was extremely shocked when they said. 109 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 5: That, this is obviously one of those interviews where it's 110 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 5: within the network, it was set up or ren This 111 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 5: is like a pr move. This isn't like going to 112 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 5: be some sort of you know, political type of interview. 113 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 5: Like she should be knowing exactly what's coming at her. 114 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 5: She didn't know that was coming at her. Laura just 115 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 5: threw that at her. 116 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 3: She felt very ill prepared for this. Just the look 117 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 3: on her face and how she was searching for answers 118 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 3: as she was speaking. That's what I think when you 119 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 3: know it's a word solid is when somebody's talking, talking, talking, 120 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 3: hoping that the answer will find them as they're speaking. 121 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 3: That's what I think we were experiencing as viewers today. 122 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 5: But Okay, so the question is how did this the 123 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 5: inner workings at ABC network together here to prepare her 124 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 5: for this interview. Don't you feel like it was almost 125 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 5: like Good Morning America wanted to catch her in awkwardness. 126 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 3: I think they were soft, just in general, I thought 127 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 3: that they were soft. I would love to hear from 128 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 3: Ben as a lead as to the amount of media 129 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: training that the lead typically goes through, because I'm going 130 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 3: to take a gander here and say that she's not 131 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 3: even gone through a fraction of that. 132 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: The media training was light to say, say it nicely. 133 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: I mean there was some helpful things. They would ask 134 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: you the most intense questions in a group of people 135 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 2: and give you no reaction and just kind of kind 136 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: of criticize your responses. There was also moments where I 137 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: felt like they didn't want you prepared, and I honestly 138 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 2: kind of enjoyed those more. You know, when it came 139 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 2: down to like finale for me, they didn't want me prepared. 140 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 2: They want me they wanted me thrown off. They wanted 141 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: me to have to respond. Just from a a fan perspective, 142 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: I want her authentic in her response. I don't want 143 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: her prepared. I don't want her to be coached up 144 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 2: on what to say and not to say. If these 145 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 2: allegations are true, no matter what happens with the show, 146 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: I want to know what she thinks about it, what 147 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: she feels about it, what she is doing about it, 148 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: what she thinks about you know, the relationship with Dakota. 149 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: She said even in this interview that there was a 150 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 2: toxicity in Utah. I'm assuming when she says that that 151 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: that means not only kind of a peer group, but 152 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 2: also a past relationship that continues to bring out something 153 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 2: negative in her. Even if they're there is an attraction 154 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 2: there and a connection there, it doesn't bring out the 155 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 2: best of her. I want to hear what she says 156 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: about that. I think this interview, I don't know. I'm 157 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: not a PR expert. I think they were going to 158 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 2: get criticized either way. But I do think it goes 159 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: better for everybody if we watch it and say, yes, Okay, 160 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 2: I might not agree, but at least I know where 161 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 2: you're at. I watched this and I said, I have 162 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: less of an idea of where. 163 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 3: She's at as somebody watched her for multiple seasons. This 164 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 3: was not authentic Taylor. 165 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 5: She was trying to be very careful, which she's usually 166 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 5: not trying to be careful. Now when I'm watching this, 167 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 5: I think, oh, wow, she seems very guilty because she's 168 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 5: not denying it. But then my thought is, oh, is 169 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 5: this a legality thing? She literally can say anything. 170 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 3: She for sure can't say anything because if this moves forward, right, 171 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 3: anything that she has said in the press will be 172 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 3: used against her. So if this ends up moving forward 173 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: into something more serious than what we know, So of 174 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 3: course I didn't expect her to say details about that. 175 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 3: I think for me, I was expecting emotion. I was 176 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 3: expecting I'm a flawed person. I'm still learning Bachelor Nation. 177 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 3: Please give me a chance. Like that's the kind of 178 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 3: stuff I was expecting to hear today. 179 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like she's just trying to tiptoe the 180 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 5: line of like she doesn't want to sound guilty, so 181 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 5: she doesn't want to show too much emotion. 182 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 2: A few key points from this interview that sit out. 183 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 2: Taylor did have a few quotes. I want to just 184 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: kind of give through the the topics if you didn't 185 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 2: get to watch it. Taylor's quoted by saying, I'm a 186 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 2: person that will always speak my truth, and that's what 187 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 2: I'm known for. And she says she'll do that when 188 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 2: the time is right. That makes sense based on everything 189 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: we're saying. Lara Spencer, who conducted the interview, said that 190 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 2: they reached out to Dakota but did not get a 191 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 2: response from him. I'm not shocked. The final really standout 192 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 2: quote Taylor responds to one of Lara's questions about what 193 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 2: she envisions for the future of the show, and she said, 194 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 2: it's hard to say now, just because you know everything 195 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: going on. It's hard to see past this. I'm not 196 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 2: gonna lie in this moment. It's just so heavy when 197 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 2: your life is broadcasted out there in these headlines. It's 198 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 2: like the end of the world. I thought that was, 199 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 2: for me, the most genuine moment of this interview. I'm 200 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: not saying Taylor's not genuine. If there's one word to describe, 201 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 2: if there's multiple ways to describe Taylor Franky Paul, but 202 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 2: one of them is genuine. I mean, it might not 203 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: always be a genuine this. You're like, yeah, that's what 204 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 2: I would say and do. But she's always been very 205 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 2: vulnerable to her fans, to the show. She's put her 206 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 2: life out there. So her saying in this moment it 207 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 2: feels like the end of the world goes back to 208 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 2: our conversation yesterday was yeah, I'm not shocked that it 209 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 2: is I and honestly I feel for you in that, 210 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 2: But yet you did an interview this morning, and you 211 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 2: did a press dinner last night, Like it's just making 212 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 2: things worse, Like if it feels like the end of 213 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: the world, and yet you're getting thrown out there to 214 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 2: the Oscars and a press dinner and then on GMA 215 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 2: the next day. Every day is going to have a 216 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 2: reminder of what bad is happening, which leaves no time 217 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 2: for the healing or the reflection or the deep breast 218 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: to say, wow, like things have gotten out of control 219 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 2: for me. No, you're so busy, you're flying across country 220 00:12:58,720 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 2: every day. 221 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, those are really good points. Really have to worry 222 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 5: about our mental health right now. It's like kind of scary. 223 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 5: She says, it's the end of the world. 224 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm having a hard time processing obviously. 225 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 2: Here we've broken down Taylor Frankie Paul every Friday. And 226 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 2: I said it last Frankie Friday. I said, I'm really 227 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 2: starting to understand why Taylor Frankie Paul is the lead 228 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 2: of the show. Like, I'm starting to see that picture. 229 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: She's she's vulnerable, she speaks her mind, she is not 230 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 2: afraid to share what she's thinking any given moment. She's 231 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 2: a leader. I still agree with all those things. I'm 232 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 2: not backtracking on that statement. I started to see it, 233 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 2: but I'm also now seeing another side where I'm like, 234 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: was she is this good for. 235 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 3: No, it's I think we're all in agreement. It's not 236 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 3: right now. She really needs I think some serious help 237 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 3: beyond whatever she's been doing. I believe she has been 238 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 3: doing therapy and she's been open, but I think she 239 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 3: needs something more intensive, Like this is too much pressure, 240 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 3: and you've said it so many times, Ben, She's crying 241 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 3: for help, and I'm concerned that nobody's listening around her. 242 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: It feels like she's on Instagram being like, hey, I 243 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 2: need a break, and the show is saying, hey, come 244 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 2: to this next event. 245 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, this was too much for really, like any person 246 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 5: to take on. How are you supposed to have two shows. 247 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 2: Two shows, three kids? 248 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 4: Three kids? 249 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 3: And I think, guys that she might have been filming 250 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 3: both at the same time for a period of time, 251 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 3: because in this recent season of Secret Lives, the girls 252 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 3: that were doing Dancing with the Stars, they still made 253 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 3: them film Secret Lives at the same time. Yeah, I 254 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 3: think she was having to do this Bachelorette and Secret 255 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 3: Lives at the same time. She's just had no breaks. 256 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 2: But here's the other side of this. And I don't 257 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 2: mean this to like keep us safe. I just mean it. 258 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 2: It still does. I mean there's it's still allegations. It 259 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: still doesn't excuse domestic violence, of course, of course, but 260 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 2: again we don't know the details yet enough to make 261 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: a strong statement on that. But just because you're tired 262 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 2: and just because you're busy does not excuse the actions 263 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 2: and behaviors that would lead to what allegedly is a 264 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: domestic violence issue. So that still has to be noted 265 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 2: that that I cannot, you know, makes sense ever make 266 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: an excuse for I think we're all talking from a 267 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: level of hey, maybe this, like maybe the signs were 268 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 2: on the wall that something wasn't right. Now, Again, we 269 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 2: haven't really been able to take us firm stance yet 270 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: on what exactly happened between her and Dakota. And there's 271 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 2: a reason for that. There's not a lot of information 272 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: out there. There's some headlines, there's some articles with some 273 00:15:54,160 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 2: alleged like but even those articles from trusted sources are different. 274 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 2: They're saying different things with different things happening. We can't 275 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 2: make a statement on that yet. I think the last 276 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 2: few days have been making statements on hey, maybe we 277 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 2: should have saw this coming, like not domestic violence, but 278 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: something bad happening, something that would be a pivot point 279 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 2: for the show, something that would cause Taylor, Frankie Paul 280 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 2: to have to go on GMA to make a statement 281 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 2: like maybe we should have paid attention to that. And 282 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 2: then as obviously more information comes out, we can speak 283 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 2: to exactly what happened that in that altercation, if there 284 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: was one. Again, we don't even really know if there 285 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: was one. Taylor didn't say it this morning, you know 286 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 2: there was something. 287 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 5: She definitely keeps alluding to it as headlines, not as 288 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 5: anything else like or like, you know, relationship situations or anything. 289 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 4: It's the headlines, which is a tactic. 290 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 5: And then did we talk about the fact that Laura 291 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 5: called her out up being producer on Mormon Wives, which 292 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 5: was but I'm gonna. 293 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 2: Let you guys continue from here. I do have a 294 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 2: call with a source that I got to jump on 295 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 2: right now, So I'm gonna jump you guys take it 296 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: over from here, and I'm sure we'll be back in 297 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 2: the next day or so, maybe even today, who knows, 298 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 2: sharing any new information that comes out. 299 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 3: Thanks Ben. We did not get to that yet, Ashley. 300 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 3: But honestly, too, that was the point where I went, 301 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 3: I went like, I had to like laugh for a second, 302 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 3: because it's like that should have been a straightforward answer. 303 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 3: What she said was correct, like that she said that 304 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 3: the shutdown had nothing to do with her. 305 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 4: She didn't make the decision, but her actions dead. 306 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 3: Actions did so she needed to say. First of all, 307 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 3: the way she was asked, did you know that we 308 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 3: heard productions been shut down? And she said something like, 309 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 3: oh yeah, I heard that. She had been a straightforward 310 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 3: answer of yes, it is currently shut down, because the 311 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 3: follow up question of aren't you in executive producer made 312 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 3: her look really stupid, and then her respont's answer to 313 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 3: that saying saying, oh, yeah, I heard that this season. 314 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 3: That's a lie. I will just say that that is a. 315 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 5: False What do you mean, oh yeah, this season? What 316 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 5: when she said oh yeah, oh she found out about 317 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 5: her being like an honorary producer. 318 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 3: That is not how things work. Yeah, that was a 319 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 3: huge contract negotiation. And again I was like, you're answering 320 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 3: this wrong. Just be like you are correct. I am 321 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 3: an executive producer on the show, but I don't have 322 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 3: anything to do with the production schedule of the show. 323 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 3: Like the way she responded to that was wrong in 324 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 3: my opinion. 325 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. Oh and that this. 326 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 5: Is a demonstration to me that it was and I 327 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 5: appreciate this. I appreciate that it was like an actual 328 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 5: news segment and not ju a pr moment to try 329 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 5: to straighten things out. Laura was like, I'm actually going 330 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 5: to ask her a hard question right now. 331 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,719 Speaker 3: I thought I was expecting longer First of all, I 332 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 3: was not expected. I was expecting maybe top of the show, 333 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 3: a little bit end of the show, maybe another clip 334 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 3: of the sit down interview. I was expecting longer content, 335 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 3: and I was expecting to see a range of emotions. 336 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 3: And you don't have to have the emotion when you're 337 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 3: talking about the questionable act that we can't go into 338 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 3: detail on. But when she said my kids are my everything, 339 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 3: that would have been an opportune time to show some 340 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 3: sort of emotion. I think she was very much trying 341 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 3: to keep it together because I think authentic Raw Taylor 342 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 3: would have shown emotion because she can't hold that back 343 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 3: in her dating life. So, I mean, neither of us 344 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 3: know what it would be like to be in this 345 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 3: kind of situation. We've never had, you know, this amount 346 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 3: of eyes and this amount of media attention in our lives. 347 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 3: But it wasn't what I was expecting. 348 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 5: I know many either, It's just get into a very 349 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 5: weird spot like this was supposed to. 350 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 4: Heal things, and I don't think it did a thing. 351 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 3: I don't think it did a thing either. 352 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 4: I also not that it was supposed to heal things. 353 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,479 Speaker 4: You guys know what I mean when I say that, 354 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 4: Like it was. 355 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 5: Supposed to make people feel some sort of way about 356 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 5: her season airing on Sunday, and I think that, if anything, 357 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 5: I think it did nothing. 358 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 3: It did nothing because even saying, you know what, these 359 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 3: headlines have made me realize that I need. 360 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 5: To after this week of me doing this press story, 361 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 5: even I need to go retreat for a while. 362 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 3: I need to take a break. I need to be 363 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 3: a present mom. If she had said things like that, 364 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 3: I think people would have been like, you go girl, 365 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 3: you're prioritizing what needs to be done. But instead it 366 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 3: was like, make sure to tune into my season. Oh yeah, 367 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 3: and we have an exclusive clip, which that clip didn't 368 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 3: give anything. 369 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 5: I don't know if you talked about this with Ben, 370 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 5: but I know she said this last night or something 371 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 5: along the lines at her press dinner, and then she 372 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 5: did it again here and I thought it was the 373 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 5: weirdest statement to be like, these headlines are making me 374 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 5: sit making they're ruining my week that's supposed to be celebratory, 375 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 5: and I'm like, what, ye like it's ruining your week? 376 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 3: Because it's what Ben was saying. It's that somebody had 377 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 3: said on The Vile Files about that Dakota sabotages her moments, 378 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 3: and so I think that's what she's implying. But where 379 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 3: I come back on that is that this happened three 380 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 3: weeks ago, whatever this thing was, it didn't happen this week, 381 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 3: the week of your premiere. 382 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 4: Is she trying to say that he's putting this out now? 383 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 3: Yes, intentionally When you say these headlines are ruining and 384 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,959 Speaker 3: I can't enjoy another premiere, it's making it sound like 385 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 3: it's a calculated move, and who knows, maybe that's true, 386 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 3: maybe there's some truth to that. I would also say 387 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 3: that the reason why it's happening now is because somebody 388 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 3: up top orchestrated this to drop on Sunday. 389 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 5: Somebody at top of you know that we talked about 390 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 5: this in the last episode, But somebody the top of 391 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 5: what like certainly not ABC. 392 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 3: At the network. They there's no way that the network 393 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 3: did not know when that situation happened, because it affected 394 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 3: immediately filming of Secret Lives, which then caused them to 395 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 3: go down. 396 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 4: That's right, Okay. 397 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 5: So the network has known this for three weeks. Why 398 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 5: Sunday night. 399 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 3: Or just after three weeks, like just maybe just after. 400 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 5: You think that they were really going to try to 401 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 5: hide it, hide it, hide it, or do you think 402 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 5: that they should have just come out three weeks ago. 403 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 3: I think that the last three weeks have been trying 404 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 3: to build a strategy, and I think that the strategy 405 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 3: did not work, and I think that we're now in 406 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 3: scramble mode. And I think that today and the next 407 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 3: twenty four hours, I think by Thursday, if nothing has 408 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 3: changed in the sense when I say no other sponsors 409 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 3: or deals have dropped out by Thursday, they are going 410 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 3: to consider this like all good, okay, because that's what 411 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 3: they're most concerned about. Putting her out there on GMA 412 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 3: was really I think about saving sponsors. It's not about 413 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 3: public opinion, public opinion or people tuning in or anything 414 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 3: like that. It's about making sure that sponsors don't drop 415 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 3: out by her going out there and saying nothing, and 416 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 3: by her continuing to show up being like see, I'm 417 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 3: an active player, Like I'm not going and hiding. Because 418 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,959 Speaker 3: that's a problem too. Write for the show if as 419 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 3: much as we think she should be prioritizing her mental 420 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 3: health and doing that. If they don't have a lead 421 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 3: out there pushing the show and showing up, who do 422 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 3: they have to promote it? 423 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 4: Right? 424 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 5: No one? 425 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 3: No one? 426 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, but do they really need promotion right now? 427 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 3: I mean, I not right now, But what about for 428 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 3: the rest of the season. 429 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 4: I don't know. I think it'll float. 430 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 3: I think so too. I'm honestly at a loss. 431 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 4: I really don't I could have had Jesse out there, 432 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 4: I don't know. 433 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't think so. But I really 434 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 3: don't know what the plan was. I think that's what's confusing, 435 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 3: is like the interview didn't do a whole lot, and 436 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 3: it's just it's just like, Okay, watch my show, and 437 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 3: when I'm ready to talk about it, I will talk 438 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 3: about it. That was the takeaway. 439 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 5: I'd find this honestly fascinating. This is the biggest Bachelor 440 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 5: PR crisis we've had since Bachelor in Paradise season four. 441 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 5: I think the Gary thing was kind of weird. The 442 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 5: male thing was a little weird. I can't think about 443 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 5: any Oh, oh my god, how to how am I 444 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 5: not forgetting the obvious good Chris Harrison, Rachel Lindsay, Chris. 445 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 3: Harrison, Rachel Lindsay with a cue one. 446 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 4: That's probably PR crisis number one. 447 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 3: That's PR crisis number one, Paradise number two. And then 448 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 3: Gary Turner. 449 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 4: And Harry is a nothing. 450 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know those murder comments that. 451 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 5: Well, I mean that's that was our last like what 452 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 5: in the f But that was when he was post Bachelor, 453 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 5: which made a difference. 454 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 3: Sure, post Bachelor, but it did. It did hold the 455 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 3: media for an entire week, those things, those headlines, so 456 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 3: it was it was a big blitz for sure. Yeah, 457 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 3: I'm I'm you know what, I don't know Chris Harrison, 458 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 3: but uh, I'm really interested. I'm really interested to know 459 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 3: what he's thinking right now when all this is playing out. 460 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 4: I don't want to speak for him. 461 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 3: No, it's not, but I just I just truly wonder. 462 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 5: It's just like so crazy, age like how am I 463 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 5: involved with this franchise that literally. 464 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 4: Like I love it, like I love it, love it, 465 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:50,479 Speaker 4: love it. 466 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 5: I can't believe how many times I've had to be 467 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 5: on this mic debating something that is so controversial about it? 468 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 5: What like what I feel like no other reality show. 469 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 5: I mean, there's a huge spotlight on Bachelor versus any 470 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 5: other reality show. 471 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 4: Huge. 472 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 3: I was saying this with Deanna yesterday. I mean, all 473 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 3: good things must come to an end at some point. 474 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 3: It can't last forever, but wow, it has gone on 475 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 3: for much longer than I think anybody could have ever anticipated. 476 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 3: And so, you know, if this ends up being the 477 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 3: last season of Bachelorette, let's hope it's a good watch. 478 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 3: And if for some reason we don't see it at 479 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 3: all come Sunday, who knows. But I mean, I'm still 480 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 3: as much as everything that's going on. I'm still intrigued, 481 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 3: even though I feel like I know the ending already, unfortunately, which. 482 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 4: Really, oh well, we've had lots of spoilers on that one. 483 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 5: I know. Did you guys talk spoilers yesterday on your 484 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 5: Ben podcast? 485 00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 3: Uh No, But I did see pictures last tonight, and yeah, 486 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 3: I saw the pictures the TikTok that went out on 487 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 3: Monday that I said was her going rogue. I think 488 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 3: that was correct in that it was actually a PR 489 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 3: stunt by the team. 490 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 4: Okay, so I. 491 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 3: Believe you were actually correct on that, because thank you, 492 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 3: I had some phone calls last night and Amy Sugarman 493 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 3: was like, no, you're You're wrong. 494 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 4: So much. Shoot, where's Amy? 495 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 3: I know? Sleeping? 496 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 5: Okay, all right, well this is again continuously evolving, so 497 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 5: we'll be back with it and until then, I love you, 498 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 5: See you next time. 499 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 4: I've been Ashley Bye. 500 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: I followed the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 501 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts