Speaker 1: This series includes sensitive and potentially distressing topics, including sexual
Speaker 1: assault and abuse involving children. Listener discretion is advised. On
Speaker 1: November twenty second, nineteen ninety five, one hundred named Peter
Speaker 1: Erickson walked the woods of Carmel, New York, fifty or
Speaker 1: so yards in from Fields Lane. He was out there
Speaker 1: that morning with a buddy of his named Bruce. It
Speaker 1: was the first day of a hunting season in Putnam County,
Speaker 1: and the two friends were setting up a tree stand
Speaker 1: that morning. That's the perch that hunters hinda waiting for
Speaker 1: a deer.
Speaker 2: My buddy was down below. He's free to heights, so
Speaker 2: he was handing me stuff and I was up in
Speaker 2: this tree and all of a sudden, I look out
Speaker 2: in the road, and there's like twenty cop cars pull up,
Speaker 2: you know, all at once, and then they start walking
Speaker 2: into the woods, and you're like, what is going on here?
Speaker 1: The Cornelson County seat of Putnam, it's still a pretty
Speaker 1: small town enough so that Peter knew some of the
Speaker 1: cops who swarmed the woods that morning.
Speaker 2: I recognized a few of them, one of them pat
Speaker 2: His name was Pacistaldo.
Speaker 1: Pacstaldo, a detective for the Putnam County sheriff straight out
Speaker 1: of a drugstore novel. He slipped his hair back in
Speaker 1: a tight pompadour and wore a top coat even when
Speaker 1: it was warm. Oh and he moonlighted on weekends as
Speaker 1: an Elvis impersonator in several of the local dives.
Speaker 2: The guy kind of looked like Elvis a little bit,
Speaker 2: But that's why he was so memorable to me. It
Speaker 2: wasn't my friend. I was like an acquaintance that we
Speaker 2: knew from working there in the jail periodically doing electrical work.
Speaker 2: So as they were coming in, I say, I ain't
Speaker 2: doing what's going on? And he goes, well, somebody found
Speaker 2: something in the woods.
Speaker 1: Earlier that morning, another hunter had stumbled over something in
Speaker 1: those woods. He went to check it out. It was
Speaker 1: the skull of a preteen girl.
Speaker 2: He had found that skull, took it home, took it home.
Speaker 1: Later that day, the hunter called the cops. And now,
Speaker 1: as costalgo told Peter and Bruce, he was out there
Speaker 1: looking for her body.
Speaker 3: So we're like, no way.
Speaker 2: You know, this is Putnam County back then, it was
Speaker 2: a quieter town. You don't hear this stuff here. So
Speaker 2: my friend Bruce and I said, do you mind if
Speaker 2: we kind of look around and help you. So he goes, uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: no problem.
Speaker 1: Cops rarely let civilians walk their crime scene. According to Peter, though,
Speaker 1: that's what happened here.
Speaker 2: So I'm walking look and my buddy Bruce goes, hey,
Speaker 2: come over here.
Speaker 1: Castaldo and the other cops rushed over to Bruce. He
Speaker 1: was crouched in the clearing between the trees, over a
Speaker 1: mound of sticks and leaves that looked composed. He lifted
Speaker 1: one of the branches and a chunk of the ground
Speaker 1: cover came up. He saw something underneath it.
Speaker 2: It was her skeleton. There's a tremendous amount of debris
Speaker 2: as well. I mean, you see the skeleton, but it's
Speaker 2: not like this bright white thing that's sticking out in
Speaker 2: the woods. There was a mandible the lower part of
Speaker 2: the jaw and her moram was tied inde mandible was
Speaker 2: sitting on the ground. There was hair there. You could
Speaker 2: see there was hair there, dirty blonde like hair, just
Speaker 2: laying there in the leaves. It was the ribbed cage.
Speaker 2: It looked like it's kind of sickening. I mean, it
Speaker 2: looked like the rib cage was mostly intact. This skeleton
Speaker 2: was small too. It was It was a small skeleton.
Speaker 2: It was horrible.
Speaker 1: The body belonged to a twelve year old girl, a
Speaker 1: girl going missing a full year prior. Her name was
Speaker 1: Josette Right and it was Costaldo they put in charge
Speaker 1: of finding her. The cops taped the site off and
Speaker 1: gathered forensics. They were clothes draped over the body, including
Speaker 1: the coach she was last seen wearing. It was badly
Speaker 1: moldered with plant where its growing through it. Her broad
Speaker 1: been tied around her head. Forensics pros would later say
Speaker 1: that it had been used to gagger, along with her underwear,
Speaker 1: which had been stuffed in her mouth. Her hands were
Speaker 1: bound in a complex odd tie. A sash cord ran
Speaker 1: from her wrist to both her neck and ankle, yanking
Speaker 1: her right foot back behind her and not fall from
Speaker 1: her body. Cops found a hunting knife rested in the damp.
Speaker 1: I'm Paul Salatarov, and for thirty three years I've written
Speaker 1: for Rolling Stone magazine. I go after racist cops who
Speaker 1: shoot and kill on her and black kids. I investigate
Speaker 1: me on Nazi's bent on genocide in Virginia and social
Speaker 1: media tech layds who look the other way, while the
Speaker 1: cartel's poisoned children on their platforms. Now, when you write
Speaker 1: those kinds of stories, one after another, you build a
Speaker 1: layer of callous around your heart. But this story has
Speaker 1: pierced the skin and will not give me peace. I
Speaker 1: keep hearing the voices of girls who'd warned the cops
Speaker 1: about a demon, a hundred of girls hiding in the woods.
Speaker 1: And I keep hearing the voice of that demon in
Speaker 1: the woods, a voice that's still in my head five
Speaker 1: years later. You'll soon meet him in this reason. In fact,
Speaker 1: he's lurking here in this episode.
Speaker 4: New My madness, laughter, my fears, sorrows, depths are endless
Speaker 4: in this.
Speaker 5: Valley of the years.
Speaker 4: I want to see your revelation.
Speaker 1: All want to know, Holy War.
Speaker 3: I'm reading out desperately.
Speaker 1: Shune to the one who's.
Speaker 4: Hold the stars, to the.
Speaker 1: One who is holding.
Speaker 3: The stars.
Speaker 5: This is the Devil's quarry.
Speaker 6: I was in the group homing Caramel. I'd say we
Speaker 6: were pretty tight with the crew that was there. You know,
Speaker 6: we all came from different backgrounds. We were all kind
Speaker 6: of there for same reasons, but were different.
Speaker 1: Rachel was seven or eight when her mom's new boyfriend
Speaker 1: crashed into their lives. Within weeks, he was abusing both
Speaker 1: Rachel and her mom. It's why she landed in the
Speaker 1: group home a few years later. That home was known
Speaker 1: as Saint Cabrini, and it proved to be a blessing
Speaker 1: for Rachel.
Speaker 6: When it came to Carmel, it was like kind of
Speaker 6: not a clean slate for me.
Speaker 1: Cabrini was a haven for the yanked out girls of
Speaker 1: Putnam County, the ones who had been abused by man
Speaker 1: in their house were ignored by their drug distracted mother.
Speaker 1: They ranged an age from eleven to eighteen, but looked
Speaker 1: out for each other. Like sisters. Rachel and the others
Speaker 1: loved to hang on the big stone porch out front,
Speaker 1: smoking menthols with the boys who stopped by. That porch
Speaker 1: is where she first met Josett. Right.
Speaker 6: She was an average ten eleven year old. You know,
Speaker 6: she had long blonde hair.
Speaker 1: Rachel is one of the first people the Putnam cop
Speaker 1: spoke to after Josette's body was found. Rachel, by the way,
Speaker 1: is a pseudonym. You'll see why she needs one soon enough.
Speaker 1: As it happened, she was classmates with Josette's sister, who
Speaker 1: was four years older. Than Josette. Their house was the
Speaker 1: hang spot on weekday afternoons.
Speaker 6: It was the house to go to. You know, it
Speaker 6: was the party house. It was a place where kids
Speaker 6: went to hang out to get drunk. There was people
Speaker 6: there all the time.
Speaker 1: Well hanging at that house. She met Josette's mom, Susan,
Speaker 1: and spent time with her boyfriend Freddie. Freddie wore a
Speaker 1: ponytail and was missing three front teeth and had a
Speaker 1: nasty scar under his lip.
Speaker 6: He was very free spirited, I guess want to say.
Speaker 6: You know, he spent a lot of his life in jail,
Speaker 6: and he was very for his age, kind of sure.
Speaker 1: The house was the sort of place where the adults
Speaker 1: often behaved like teens instead of authority figures, big party,
Speaker 1: just as hard as the kids they were raising, shared
Speaker 1: their beer and Newport's with him, and brought around men
Speaker 1: like Freddy. How did Freddy support himself?
Speaker 6: I think he did odd jobs. I think he was
Speaker 6: a carpenter. He did do carpentry work. He also said
Speaker 6: he was a reverend.
Speaker 1: Did Freddie strike you as religious?
Speaker 6: No, Yeah, he wasn't godly at all. You're covered in tattoos,
Speaker 6: and you know, I remember them being on his arms
Speaker 6: and they were like jelhouse tattoos, So you know, like
Speaker 6: the tattoos that after years they just looked like blah.
Speaker 6: That's kind of like how I remember his tattoos being
Speaker 6: like some you can't even make out exactly. He tell
Speaker 6: you it was a horse, and you're like what.
Speaker 1: The Putnam cops took a run at Freddy after Joe
Speaker 1: said his body was found. His mugshots are in the
Speaker 1: case file, as well as pages of handwritten notes about him.
Speaker 1: One of those pages describes his jail house tats and
Speaker 1: that wasn't a worse on Freddy's forearm, it was a
Speaker 1: circle of clansmen burning crosses. And there's another note in
Speaker 1: that file apparently Freddie had founded a white supremacist gang
Speaker 1: while in prison. There's also a number of people said
Speaker 1: that Freddy held neo Nazi hughes.
Speaker 6: Well maybe that's what he was a reverend in.
Speaker 1: I couldn't corroborate that Freddy was ordained in anything, but
Speaker 1: it was easy enough to confirm that he'd done a
Speaker 1: serious stretch in prison. Do you know what he went
Speaker 1: to prison for?
Speaker 6: I honestly killing a man for killing him man, I
Speaker 6: want to say killing a man.
Speaker 1: There aren't any murders on Freddie's sheet, at least none
Speaker 1: I could find, and there aren't any details on his
Speaker 1: egg evaded assaults, the counts that sent him to prison.
Speaker 1: But there are statements in that file from Josette's friends.
Speaker 1: They said Freddie often called Josette nasty names, and one
Speaker 1: of them said he slapped her hard in the face
Speaker 1: after she asked him for pizza money.
Speaker 6: I know that she didn't like Freddy.
Speaker 1: Josette's dad was in California and been out of the
Speaker 1: picture for years. Her mom worked two jobs to support
Speaker 1: three school age kids and often left Josette to her
Speaker 1: own devices.
Speaker 6: She wanted to be seen, and her mom probably was
Speaker 6: the person she needed to be seen by.
Speaker 1: To keep herself busy, Josette wandered the streets. She was
Speaker 1: constantly seen walking the town at all hours alone, from
Speaker 1: the age of ten. Carmel, New York, is a town
Speaker 1: surrounded on four sides by the lakes of the Hudson Valley.
Speaker 1: It's an hour or so from midtown Manhattan, as one
Speaker 1: of the more well off towns in Putnam County, but
Speaker 1: Carmel isn't a suburb for CFOs It's where cops and
Speaker 1: firemen move their families. In the white flight panic of
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies, they built their homes on banks of
Speaker 1: Lake Carmel. Then it advertently fouled the waters with the
Speaker 1: runoff from their cheap septic tanks. I've spoken to a
Speaker 1: number of locals who swam the lake as kids. They
Speaker 1: told me they'd come down with weird sinus problems or
Speaker 1: gastric flare ups that hung on for a week after
Speaker 1: they took a dip. Still, you can certainly find beauty
Speaker 1: on Carmel. There's a post guard perfect town square with
Speaker 1: its quaint old courthouse and banners hanging from lampposts to
Speaker 1: the sons who went to war. They're twisty roads up
Speaker 1: dense green hills where lakeviews sparkle between the trees. But
Speaker 1: drive the main drag in either direction, you'll pass strip
Speaker 1: malls with down her shuttered stores. From the first time
Speaker 1: I walked here, I had the sense I was being watched.
Speaker 1: There's a vibe here you don't get in the posher
Speaker 1: towns west of Carmel, a deep going suspicion of strangers.
Speaker 1: A mile up the hill from carmel'stown square stands the
Speaker 1: house where Josette lived. On her walk down that hill,
Speaker 1: she'd passed the girls home.
Speaker 6: On her left, she walks by the group home a lot.
Speaker 6: We were like a pit stop. I guess I think
Speaker 6: that's how we ended up starting to talk to her,
Speaker 6: and she became like talking to all the group home girls.
Speaker 1: Having seen firsthand what her home life was like, Rachel
Speaker 1: got why that group home was Josette's pit stop.
Speaker 6: It gave her something to do. She wasn't just walking
Speaker 6: around aimlessly, or she wasn't, you know, by herself.
Speaker 1: Something the lost girl herself. Rachel felt for Josette became
Speaker 1: a kind of a big sister to her. She made
Speaker 1: time for at the group home and bought her snacks
Speaker 1: at the deli. The two of them formed a bond
Speaker 1: that deepened the following year, when Rachel left Cabrini and
Speaker 1: moved back home. Her mom had rented an apartment in Carmel,
Speaker 1: a ten minute walk from the group home. Within weeks,
Speaker 1: if not days, Josette showed up there.
Speaker 6: She spent a lot of time with my mom as well.
Speaker 6: My mama taught her how to crochet and just you know,
Speaker 6: passing the time together. My mom would make everything like potholders, napkins, blankets, scarves,
Speaker 6: you know, like she would make everything. But I remember
Speaker 6: her just teaching her, how do you like just do
Speaker 6: a single stitch, or to do a little box.
Speaker 1: And they'd sit at a table together.
Speaker 6: My mom never sat at a table show. We sat
Speaker 6: on the floor, so they'd probably sit on the floor.
Speaker 1: After a while. Josette was over there all the time.
Speaker 6: She was a part of the household and you know,
Speaker 6: eating dinners together and things like that. Yeah, she belonged.
Speaker 6: She was very energetic, she was very loving, she was
Speaker 6: very kind. I don't know why I think of a horse,
Speaker 6: but she was very a gentile person, you know, was
Speaker 6: just looking in the pastor looking to belong somewhere and
Speaker 6: and feel like she did.
Speaker 1: But several months later, in the summer of ninety four,
Speaker 1: Rachel and her family decided to move to Pauling, half
Speaker 1: hour drive from Carmel. The day they finished packing, Josette
Speaker 1: showed up at their front door.
Speaker 6: She was there as we were leaving, and I remember
Speaker 6: her saying, just take me. They won't even notice I'm gone.
Speaker 6: I was like, we can't, we can't take you. I
Speaker 6: told her that she couldn't come with us. She was crying.
Speaker 6: I think we both were should have just taken her,
Speaker 6: you know. It crusted me. I worried about her. I
Speaker 6: worried about her.
Speaker 1: After she moved away, Rachel lost touch with Josette. Then,
Speaker 1: four months after she left, Rachel got news from her
Speaker 1: mother Josette had gone missing, just vanished. October third, nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety four. It was the last day Josette was seen
Speaker 1: in Carmel. She stepped off a square wool bus in
Speaker 1: front of her small ranch house at three o'clock that afternoon.
Speaker 1: The house, per usual, was packed with teens, Josette's two
Speaker 1: older sisters, their friends. Putnam detectives would later interview those teens.
Speaker 1: One said Josette had argued with her sister, Chloe before
Speaker 1: walking out of the house. Josette, she said, admired Chloe
Speaker 1: and tried to mix in with her click, but the
Speaker 1: older girls would have none of it. That day, nasty
Speaker 1: words were exchanged, according to those teens. Josette called her mom,
Speaker 1: saying she was going over to a friend's house. Then
Speaker 1: she went to the basement and made a second call.
Speaker 1: She briefly left the house and stood on the porch
Speaker 1: waiting there in her thin brown jacket. When no one
Speaker 1: showed up, she went back in the house. There she
Speaker 1: did a very odd thing. She went up to her sister, Shelley,
Speaker 1: stood in front of her staring, then said goodbye and left.
Speaker 1: At three forty five, she went walking down the hill,
Speaker 1: headed toward the shops downtown. That night, when she didn't
Speaker 1: come home for dinner, her mom, Susan, called around to
Speaker 1: Josette's friends and knocked on the doors of their houses.
Speaker 1: None of them had seen her since school let out,
Speaker 1: so Susan asked her daughters if she should call the cops.
Speaker 1: Her oldest girl, Shelley, nixed the idea, saying that cops
Speaker 1: do nothing until forty eight hours passed. Nonetheless, Susan called
Speaker 1: the next morning when there was still no sign up Josette. Backstaldo,
Speaker 1: the others impersonating detective was a sign to find Josette,
Speaker 1: but he had no training in missing person searches. He'd
Speaker 1: spent the bulk of his career as a deputy and
Speaker 1: detective in a narcotic squad, so with no leads to
Speaker 1: go on, he focused on the town's drug dealers, starting
Speaker 1: with Anthony to Pippo, I.
Speaker 3: Would not really argue that I was a successful drug dealer.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even argue that it broke even. You know,
Speaker 3: I covered some costs, but mostly ingested more than I
Speaker 3: was ever intent.
Speaker 1: Anthony was all of eighteen when Joe's atte wright went missing.
Speaker 1: At six or five and two hundred and thirty pounds.
Speaker 1: He walked and talked like an underground wrestler, which was
Speaker 1: exactly the sort of vibe he was going for. He
Speaker 1: and his boys got up the crazy stuff together. They
Speaker 1: stayed many WrestleMania's in their yards, breaking chairs and tube
Speaker 1: lights over each other's skulls. They ditched class to get
Speaker 1: high and sell we to their classmates, and any money
Speaker 1: Anthony made never amounted him much was used to fund
Speaker 1: his rave trips to the city. You know, the music
Speaker 1: was like.
Speaker 3: And then they would have these laser lights and these
Speaker 3: smoke machines. You got five thousand kids and they're just
Speaker 3: in there in half of them don't even know they're there,
Speaker 3: and the other half were just dancing until they drop.
Speaker 1: And his buddies would walk the South Bronx at night,
Speaker 1: the cop weed an angel dusk and dance too gone
Speaker 1: at the Rays and Chelsea clubs.
Speaker 3: So like the city ones are early the best ones,
Speaker 3: and it's like just it's it's it's an experience, you know,
Speaker 3: I wasn't.
Speaker 1: They drive home with carmel high off their heads, seeing
Speaker 1: two of everything, including the Cross County Parkway.
Speaker 3: Listening to the music on the way there, listening to
Speaker 3: music on the way back. We're driving our vehicle smoking
Speaker 3: space base. Now we're mixing the crack and the dust
Speaker 3: and off the cloud.
Speaker 5: Nine.
Speaker 1: In a town with a little or no violent crime,
Speaker 1: Anthony had his run ins with the cops.
Speaker 3: My first real encounter with the cops was it was
Speaker 3: criminal mischief. I threw a metal garbage can at the
Speaker 3: window of a Metro North train and then the cops
Speaker 3: all of a sudden came and they started running after us,
Speaker 3: and so I ran and I got in the woods
Speaker 3: and they were bringing the dog, Rebel, the canine. So
Speaker 3: I'm like fox, I tried to bury myself in these leaves,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, the fucking dog comes right up there,
Speaker 3: she finds me, like you got me. It takes me
Speaker 3: into jail and it felt like, you know, it felt
Speaker 3: kind of like a badge honor. That was crazy. I
Speaker 3: had just shaved the sides of my head and I
Speaker 3: had all this leaf particles on it, and I was itchy,
Speaker 3: and I guess I probably ran into some poison, ivy
Speaker 3: or something. I would love to have all of my
Speaker 3: mug shots back.
Speaker 1: You could say Anthony had a rep around too.
Speaker 2: They stood out based on their clothes and actually this
Speaker 2: was probably cutting edge at that time to have them bag,
Speaker 2: you know, hanging you know, your butt hanging out. They
Speaker 2: looked exactly like unsavories.
Speaker 1: That's Peter Erickson again, he's one of the hunters who
Speaker 1: was in the woods today Joseid's bones were found. You
Speaker 1: remember seeing Anthony and his boys around town.
Speaker 2: They had that type of look like they were the
Speaker 2: type of kids that were selling drugs and school kids
Speaker 2: as they were walking up from the school of the
Speaker 2: Delhi not kids i'd want my.
Speaker 4: Daughter to come home with.
Speaker 2: And I would assume at that time a lot of
Speaker 2: people had that same opinion.
Speaker 6: You couldn't you couldn't miss Anthony. He's huge. I'm sure
Speaker 6: they like stereotyped him to be a thug or you know,
Speaker 6: a hood rat or however you want to call him.
Speaker 6: But yet he was always soft spoken, you know, like
Speaker 6: he's he was this big guy, but yet so teddy bears.
Speaker 1: Rachel got to know Anthony on that group home porch
Speaker 1: he dropped out of with a dozen or so girls
Speaker 1: who lived.
Speaker 3: There, Saint Cobrini's group home. It was on Seminary Hill Road.
Speaker 3: We'd hang we'd hang out and talk and you know,
Speaker 3: sometimes we'd sneak off a little bit and smoke or
Speaker 3: make out whatever.
Speaker 1: And I'm a young guy.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of young girls. It's like, you know, hey,
Speaker 3: you don't know, you don't want to smoke pot? Yeah,
Speaker 3: they were already having pot problems, so that's what we did.
Speaker 1: Anthony was often there with his best friend Andy, and
Speaker 1: he was a lot smaller than Anthony, maybe five seven
Speaker 1: in boots, but had a short king's confidence around girls
Speaker 1: around guys, though he had a quick, fused temper.
Speaker 6: Andy he was more of the well what you know,
Speaker 6: I'm not I'm not trying to you know, like, but
Speaker 6: if if you had a problem with him, he wanted
Speaker 6: to know why. And I remember Anthony and Andy with
Speaker 6: this big old juke box, you know, like they would
Speaker 6: just be doing nothing and get blamed for something like
Speaker 6: something just as walking up and down a hill with
Speaker 6: a jukebox, you know, like water Order.
Speaker 1: Or Detective Nostaldo suspected Anthony was more than just a
Speaker 1: two bit dealer. Anthony found that out one cold winter morning,
Speaker 1: three months after Jezz had disappeared.
Speaker 3: I'm walking down three on one. Now. Three on one
Speaker 3: is a road that goes to Cold Spring. It's a
Speaker 3: long road. I didn't have my license yet. I just
Speaker 3: had a permit, and I didn't have a car.
Speaker 1: He's walking home from a girlfriend's house where he just
Speaker 1: spent the night. Now, if you ask him, Anthony was
Speaker 1: a player in the day. He says he kept a
Speaker 1: notebook with the numbers of three hundred girls, but he
Speaker 1: either didn't have it on him that day or none
Speaker 1: of those girls would feel his calls. Courthouse.
Speaker 3: I'm walking in is a long walk. I don't want
Speaker 3: to walk the whole thing. I'm stressed out about it.
Speaker 3: It's six seven, maybe eight miles to Caramel, and I'm
Speaker 3: way out of place, at a way out of an hour,
Speaker 3: like early fucking seven thirty eight o'clock.
Speaker 1: And walking twenty minutes into it, Anthony found himself surrounded.
Speaker 3: I get four cop cars. They pull up all different ways,
Speaker 3: like weird right, and then an unmarked car, and then
Speaker 3: it's Castaldo. Well, the first thing you don't want to
Speaker 3: do when you're surrounded by four cop cars and you're
Speaker 3: not doing nothing is run. If I ran, they know
Speaker 3: I got something. I'm not running.
Speaker 1: Besides, this time he was clean, by dumb luck.
Speaker 3: I didn't have anything. If I did, it was probably
Speaker 3: half a joint.
Speaker 1: Castaldo road is winded down to talk to Anthony.
Speaker 3: He's like you, Anthony, depipo, Yeah, come with me so
Speaker 3: I get I get in his car. He was, you know,
Speaker 3: a big Italian guy. You know, he seemed like a
Speaker 3: kind of scary guy. But he's being polite to me.
Speaker 3: Anthony thought he was being taken for a tuna.
Speaker 1: That was Castaldo's reper around town, a cop with heavy hands.
Speaker 1: But Castaldo had a different message in mind.
Speaker 3: He says he's investigating dismissing girl Josette.
Speaker 1: Right. Anthony knew her, of course, He'd seen her hanging
Speaker 1: with the group homegirls and wandering the streets of Carmel
Speaker 1: at all hours.
Speaker 3: You know, you would see Josette walking around. You see
Speaker 3: Josette in the deli there, the Glenida Delhi and the
Speaker 3: laundry met and this little area.
Speaker 1: He remember one time in particular, I.
Speaker 3: Was sitting on the church steps, like a lot of times,
Speaker 3: the girls from the group home around three point thirty
Speaker 3: would go to these steps, and she was crying and
Speaker 3: I could tell it was probably something from home. But
Speaker 3: I wish I asked, And I always thought that, like
Speaker 3: my whole life, if I could have just asked one question,
Speaker 3: you know what's wrong. But she asked me for a cigarette.
Speaker 3: I knew it was wrong, but you're crying, girl, You're
Speaker 3: already smoking, and I know what you're doing out here,
Speaker 3: So I have it, and I gave her a cigarette.
Speaker 1: He lit the cigarette for her.
Speaker 3: She had longblod hair and blue eyes twelve for a
Speaker 3: twelve year old.
Speaker 1: But Costaldo wasn't asking about her appearance. He wanted leads
Speaker 1: on her disappearance.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't really know I know the girl,
Speaker 3: I don't really know anything. I haven't heard anything. He says,
Speaker 3: if you do, please call this and he gave me
Speaker 3: his card.
Speaker 1: By the time Castaldo dropped him in downtown Carmel, Anthony's
Speaker 1: stomach was a nots all those detectives to drop a
Speaker 1: business card. They were clearly on a mission. And not
Speaker 1: for crime stopper tips. What Anthony couldn't have known then
Speaker 1: was how far those costs would go to put Joseph writes,
Speaker 1: murder on someone or that he Anthony, what's been the
Speaker 1: next three decades searching for actual killer? That killer has
Speaker 1: been lurking in plain sight forever, but the Putnam cops
Speaker 1: won't touch him, and never did. And so five years
Speaker 1: after I first wrote this story, I'm mispossessed by it.
Speaker 1: As Anthony in twenty twenty one, I've laughed in your
Speaker 1: face if you'd asked me about the devil. But soon,
Speaker 1: very soon, you'll know what I know, That the Devil
Speaker 1: is real and walks among us. The Devil's Quarry is
Speaker 1: a production of Love of for Good in association with
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone Films and Signal Company Number One. I'm your
Speaker 1: creator and host Paul sol Taroff. Executive producers are Jason Flomm,
Speaker 1: Jeff Kempler, Kevin Wardis and Gilbert King from Rolling Stone Films.
Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Alexandra Dale and Sean Woods. Our
Speaker 1: producers are Garakrnhaber, Hannah Beale, Jackie Pawley, Austin Smith, and
Speaker 1: Kathleen Horn. Our editor is Joel Lovell. Fact checking by
Speaker 1: Lucy Croning. Our sound designer is Brit Spangler and our
Speaker 1: engineer is Austin Smith. Additional reporting by Kathleen Horn. Original
Speaker 1: music arranged and produced by Alexis Quadrado at the Plaza
Speaker 1: Rojas Studio at a marketing and operations Jeff Cliburn, publicist
Speaker 1: Nathaniel Barouch, art director Andrew Nelson, Social media manager Sarah Gibbons.
Speaker 1: Legal review provided by Claris Law and Gibson Dunn. Our
Speaker 1: theme song, The One Who's Holding the Stars, is performed
Speaker 1: by Alexis Quadrado at the Plaza Roja Studio. Vocals by
Speaker 1: Rob Reddy of California. Corns written by Leo Schofield and
Speaker 1: Kevin Harrick at the Florida Department of Corrections Hardy Correctional
Speaker 1: Facility