Speaker 1: This series includes sensitive and potentially distressing topics, including sexual
Speaker 1: assault and abuse involving children. Listener discretion is advised. On
Speaker 1: November twenty second, nineteen ninety five, a hunter named Peter
Speaker 1: Erickson walked the woods of Carmel, New York, fifty or
Speaker 1: so yards in from Fields Lane. He was out there
Speaker 1: that morning with a buddy of his name, Bruce. It
Speaker 1: was the first day of a hunting season in Putnam County,
Speaker 1: and the two friends were setting up a tree stand
Speaker 1: that morning. That's the perch that hunters hinden waiting for
Speaker 1: a deer.
Speaker 2: My buddy was down below. He's afraid to height, so
Speaker 2: he was handing me stuff and I was up in
Speaker 2: this tree and all of a sudden, I look out
Speaker 2: in the road and there's like twenty cop cars pull up,
Speaker 2: you know, all at once, and then they start walking
Speaker 2: into the woods, and you're like, what is going on here?
Speaker 1: The Carminlson County seat of Putnam. It's still a pretty
Speaker 1: small town enough so that Peter knew some of the
Speaker 1: cops who swarmed the woods that morning.
Speaker 2: I recognized a few of them, one of them pat.
Speaker 2: His name was Pacistaldo.
Speaker 1: Pacistaldo a detective for the Putnam County Sheriff straight out
Speaker 1: of a drugstore novel. He slicked his hair back in
Speaker 1: a tight pompadour and wore a top coat even when
Speaker 1: it was warm. Oh and he moonlighted on weekends as
Speaker 1: an Elvis impersonator in several of the local dives.
Speaker 2: The guy kind of looked like Elvis a little bit,
Speaker 2: But that's why he was so memorable to me. It
Speaker 2: wasn't my friend. I was like an acquaintance that we
Speaker 2: knew from working there in the jail periodically doing electrical work.
Speaker 2: So as they were coming in, I said, if a
Speaker 2: you doing, what's going on? And he goes, well, somebody
Speaker 2: found something in the woods.
Speaker 1: Earlier that morning, another hunter had stumbled over something in
Speaker 1: those woods. He bent to check it out. It was
Speaker 1: the skull of a preteen girl.
Speaker 3: He had found that skull, took it home, took it home.
Speaker 1: Later that day the hunter called the cops. And now,
Speaker 1: as Costalgo told Peter and Bruce, he was out there
Speaker 1: looking for her body.
Speaker 3: So we're like, no way.
Speaker 2: You know, this is Putnam County. Back then it was
Speaker 2: a quieter town. You don't hear this stuff here. So
Speaker 2: my friend Bruce and I said, do you mind if
Speaker 2: we kind of look around.
Speaker 1: And help you.
Speaker 2: So he goes, uh, yeah, no problem.
Speaker 1: Cops rarely let civilians walk their crime scene. According to Peter, though,
Speaker 1: that's what happened here.
Speaker 2: So I'm walking look in and my buddy Bruce goes, hey,
Speaker 2: come over here.
Speaker 1: Castaldo and the other cops rushed over to Bruce. He
Speaker 1: was crouched in the clearing between the trees, over a
Speaker 1: mound of sticks and leaves that looked composed. He lifted
Speaker 1: one of the branches and a chunk of the ground
Speaker 1: cover came up. He saw something underneath it.
Speaker 2: It was her skeleton. There's a tremendous amount of debris
Speaker 2: as well. I mean, you see the skeleton, but it's
Speaker 2: not like this bright white thing that's sticking out in
Speaker 2: the woods. There was a mandible the lower part of
Speaker 2: the jaw, and her morale was tied in the mandible
Speaker 2: was sitting on the ground. There was hair there. You
Speaker 2: could see there was hair there, dirty blonde like hair,
Speaker 2: just laying there in the leaves. It was the rib cage.
Speaker 2: It looked like it's kind of sickening. I mean, it
Speaker 2: looked like the rib cage was mostly intact.
Speaker 3: This skeleton was small too. It was It was a
Speaker 3: small skeleton.
Speaker 2: It was horrible.
Speaker 1: The body belonged to a twelve year old girl, a
Speaker 1: girl going missing a full year prior. Her name was
Speaker 1: Josette Right and it was Costaldo they put in charge
Speaker 1: of finding her. The cops taped the site off and
Speaker 1: gathered forensics. They were clothes draped over the body, including
Speaker 1: the coach she was last seen wearing. It was badly moldered,
Speaker 1: with plant where it's growing through it. Her broad been
Speaker 1: tied around her head. Forensics pros would later say that
Speaker 1: it had been used to gagger, along with her underwear,
Speaker 1: which had been stuffed in her mouth. Her hands were
Speaker 1: bound in a complex odd tie. A sash cord ran
Speaker 1: from her wrist to both her neck and ankle, yanking
Speaker 1: her right foot back behind her and not far from
Speaker 1: her body, cops found a hunting knife rusted in the damp.
Speaker 1: I'm Paul Salatarov, and for thirty three years I've written
Speaker 1: for Rolling Stone magazine. I go after racist cops who
Speaker 1: shoot and kill on her black kids. I investigate me
Speaker 1: on Nazi's bent on genocide in Virginia, and social media
Speaker 1: tech lords who look the other way, while the cartel's
Speaker 1: poisoned children on their platforms. Now, when you write those
Speaker 1: kinds of stories, one after another, you build a layer
Speaker 1: of callous around your heart. But this story has pierced
Speaker 1: the skin and will not give me peace. I keep
Speaker 1: hearing the voices of girls who'd warned the cops about
Speaker 1: a demon, a hundred of girls hiding in the woods.
Speaker 1: And I keep hearing the voice of that demon in
Speaker 1: the woods, a voice that's still in my head five
Speaker 1: years later. You'll soon meet him in this sea. In fact,
Speaker 1: he's lurking here in this episode.
Speaker 4: You my madness, laughter, my fears, sorrows, depths are endless.
Speaker 1: In this.
Speaker 5: Valley of the years.
Speaker 4: I want to see revelation.
Speaker 1: I want to know holy water.
Speaker 6: I'm reading out desperately. Shune to the one who's holding
Speaker 6: the stars, to the one who is holding.
Speaker 4: Holding the stars.
Speaker 5: This is the Devil's quarry.
Speaker 7: I was in the group homing Caramel. I'd say we
Speaker 7: were pretty tight with the crew that was there. You know,
Speaker 7: we all came from different backgrounds. We were all kind
Speaker 7: of there for same reasons, but for.
Speaker 1: Different Rachel was seven or eight when her mom's new
Speaker 1: boyfriend crashed into their lives. Within weeks, he was abusing
Speaker 1: both Rachel and her mom. It's why she landed in
Speaker 1: the group home a few years later. That home was
Speaker 1: known as Saint Cabrini, and it proved to be a
Speaker 1: blessing for Rachel.
Speaker 7: When it came to Carmel, it was like kind of
Speaker 7: like a clean slate for me.
Speaker 1: Cabrini was a haven for the yanked out girls of
Speaker 1: Putnam County, the ones who had been abused by man
Speaker 1: in their house were ignored by their drug distracted mother.
Speaker 1: They ranged an age from eleven to eighteen, but looked
Speaker 1: out for each other. Like sisters. Rachel and the others
Speaker 1: loved to hang on the big stone porch out front,
Speaker 1: smoking menthols with the boys who stopped by. That porch
Speaker 1: is where she first met Josette. Right.
Speaker 7: She was an average ten eleven year old. You know,
Speaker 7: she had long blonde hair.
Speaker 1: Rachel is one of the first people that Putnam cops
Speaker 1: spoke to after Josette's body was found. Rachel, by the way,
Speaker 1: is a pseudonym. You'll see why she needs one soon enough.
Speaker 1: As it happened, she was classmates with Josette's sister, who
Speaker 1: was four years older than Josette. Their house was the
Speaker 1: Hank Spot on weekday afternoons.
Speaker 7: It was the house to go to, you know, it
Speaker 7: was the party house. It was a place where kids
Speaker 7: went to hang out to get drunk. There was people
Speaker 7: there all the time.
Speaker 1: Well hanging at that house. She met Josette's mom, Susan,
Speaker 1: and spent time with her boyfriend, Freddie. Freddie wore a ponytail,
Speaker 1: who was missing three front teeth and had a nasty
Speaker 1: scar under his lip.
Speaker 7: He was very free spirited, I guess want to say.
Speaker 7: You know, he spent a lot of his life in jail,
Speaker 7: and he was very for his age, kind of sure.
Speaker 1: The house was the sort of place where the adults
Speaker 1: often behaved like teens instead of authority figures. They partied
Speaker 1: just as hard as the kids they were raising, shared
Speaker 1: their beer and Newports with him, and brought around men
Speaker 1: like Freddy. How did Freddy support himself?
Speaker 7: I think he did odd jobs. I think he was
Speaker 7: a carpenter. He did do carpentry work. He also said
Speaker 7: he was a reverend.
Speaker 1: Did Freddie strike you as religious?
Speaker 7: No, you he wasn't godly at all. You're covered in
Speaker 7: tattoos and you know, I remember them being on his
Speaker 7: arms and they were like Jeilhouse tattoos, So you know,
Speaker 7: like the tattoos that after years they just looked like blah.
Speaker 7: That's kind of like how I remember his tattoos being
Speaker 7: like some you can't even make out exactly. He tell
Speaker 7: you it was a horse, and you're like what.
Speaker 1: The Putnam cops took a run at Freddy after joe
Speaker 1: His body was found. His mugshots are in the case file,
Speaker 1: as well as pages of handwritten notes about him. One
Speaker 1: of those pages describes his jail house tats and that
Speaker 1: wasn't all worse on Freddy's forearm. It was a circle
Speaker 1: of clansmen burning crosses. And there's another note in that
Speaker 1: file apparently Freddie had founded a white supremacist gang while
Speaker 1: in prison. There's also a number of people said that
Speaker 1: Freddy held neo Nazi hughes.
Speaker 7: Well maybe that's what he was a reverend in.
Speaker 1: I couldn't corroborate that Freddy was ordained in anything, but
Speaker 1: it was easy enough to confirm that he'd done a
Speaker 1: serious stretch in prison. Do you know what he went
Speaker 1: to prison for?
Speaker 7: I honestly killing a man for killing him man, I
Speaker 7: want to say killing a man.
Speaker 1: There aren't any murders on Freddy's sheet, at least none
Speaker 1: I could find, and there aren't any details on his
Speaker 1: egg evaded assaults, the counts that sent him to prison.
Speaker 1: But there are statements in that file from Josette's friends.
Speaker 1: They said Freddie often called Josette nasty names, and one
Speaker 1: of them said he slapped her hard in the face
Speaker 1: after she asked him for pizza money.
Speaker 7: I know that she didn't like Freddy.
Speaker 1: Josette's dad was in California and been out of the
Speaker 1: picture for years. Her mom worked two jobs to support
Speaker 1: three school age kids and often left Josette to her
Speaker 1: own devices.
Speaker 7: She wanted to be seen, and her mom probably was
Speaker 7: the person she needed to be seen by.
Speaker 1: To keep herself busy, Josette wandered the streets. She was
Speaker 1: constantly seen walking the town at all hours alone, from
Speaker 1: the age of ten. Carmel, New York, is a town
Speaker 1: surrounded on four sides by the lakes of the Hudson Valley.
Speaker 1: It's an hour or so from midtown Manhattan, as one
Speaker 1: of the more well off towns in Putnam County, but
Speaker 1: Carmel isn't a suburb for CFOs. It's where cops and
Speaker 1: firemen move their families. In the white flight panic of
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies, they built their homes on banks of
Speaker 1: Lake Carmel. Then it advertently fouled the waters with the
Speaker 1: runoff from their cheap septic tanks. I've spoken to a
Speaker 1: number of locals who swam the lake as kids. They
Speaker 1: tell me they'd come down with weird sinus problems or
Speaker 1: gastric flare ups that hung on for a week after
Speaker 1: they took a dip. Still, you can certainly find beauty
Speaker 1: on Carmel. There's the post guard, perfect town square with
Speaker 1: its quaint old courthouse and banners hanging from lampposts to
Speaker 1: the Sons who went to War. They're twisty roads up
Speaker 1: dense green hills where lakeviews sparkle between the trees. But
Speaker 1: drive the main drag in either direction, you'll pass strip
Speaker 1: malls with down her shuttered stores. From the first time
Speaker 1: I walked here, I had the sense I was being watched.
Speaker 1: There's a vibe here you don't get in the posher
Speaker 1: towns west of Carmel, A deep going suspicion of strangers.
Speaker 1: A mile up the hill from carmel'stown square stands the
Speaker 1: house where Josette lived. On her walk down that hill,
Speaker 1: she'd passed the girls home.
Speaker 7: On her left, she walked by the group home a lot.
Speaker 7: We were like a pit stop. I guess I think
Speaker 7: that's how we ended up starting to talk to her,
Speaker 7: and she became like talking to all the group home girls.
Speaker 1: Having seen firsthand what her home life was like, Rachel
Speaker 1: got why that group home was Josette's pit stop.
Speaker 7: It gave her something to do. She wasn't just walking
Speaker 7: around aimlessly, or she wasn't, you know, by herself.
Speaker 1: Something the lost girl herself. Rachel felt for Josette became
Speaker 1: a kind a big sister to her. She made time
Speaker 1: for at the group home and bought her snacks at
Speaker 1: the deli. The two of them formed a bond that
Speaker 1: deepened the following year. When Rachel left Cabrini and moved
Speaker 1: back home, her mom would rented an apartment in Carmel,
Speaker 1: a ten minute walk from the group home. Within weeks,
Speaker 1: if not days, Josette showed up there.
Speaker 7: She spent a lot of time with my mom as well.
Speaker 7: My mama taught her how to crochet and just you know,
Speaker 7: passing the time together. My mom would make everything like potholders, napkins, blankets, scarves,
Speaker 7: you know, like she would make everything. But I remember
Speaker 7: her just teaching her, how do you like just do
Speaker 7: a single stitch, or to do a little box.
Speaker 1: And they'd sit at a table together.
Speaker 7: My mom never sat at a table show. We sat
Speaker 7: on the floor, so they probably sit on the floor.
Speaker 1: After a while. Josette was over there all the time.
Speaker 7: She was a part of the household and you know,
Speaker 7: eating dinners together and things like that. Yeah, she belonged.
Speaker 7: She was very energetic, she was very loving, she was
Speaker 7: very kind. I don't know why I think of a horse,
Speaker 7: but she was very a gentile person, you know, was
Speaker 7: just looking in the pastor looking to belong somewhere and
Speaker 7: and feel like she did.
Speaker 1: But several months later, in the summer of ninety four,
Speaker 1: Rachel and her family decided to move to Pauling, half
Speaker 1: hour drive from Carmel. The day they finished packing, Josette
Speaker 1: showed up at their front door.
Speaker 7: She was there as we were leaving, and I remember
Speaker 7: her saying, just take me. They won't even notice I'm gone.
Speaker 7: I was like, we can't, we can't take you. I
Speaker 7: told her that she couldn't come with us.
Speaker 1: She was crying.
Speaker 7: I think we both were should have just taken her,
Speaker 7: you know. It crusted me. I worried about her. They
Speaker 7: worried about her.
Speaker 1: After she moved away, Rachel lost touch with Josette. Then,
Speaker 1: four months after she left, Rachel got news from her
Speaker 1: mother Josette had gone missing, just vanished. October third, nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety four. It was the last day Josette was seen
Speaker 1: in Carmel. She stepped off a scool bus in front
Speaker 1: of her small ranch house at three o'clock that afternoon.
Speaker 1: The house, per usual, was packed with teens, Josette's two
Speaker 1: older sisters their friends. Putnam detectives would later interview those teens.
Speaker 1: Once said Josette had argued with her sister Chloe before
Speaker 1: walking out of the house. Josette, she said, admired Chloe
Speaker 1: and tried to mix in with her click, but the
Speaker 1: older girls would have none of it. That day, nasty
Speaker 1: words were exchanged, according to those teens. Joseph called her mom,
Speaker 1: saying she was going over to a friend's house. Then
Speaker 1: she went to the basement and made a second call.
Speaker 1: She briefly left the house and stood on the porch,
Speaker 1: waiting there in her thin brown jacket. When no one
Speaker 1: showed up, she went back in the house. There she
Speaker 1: did a very odd thing. She went up to her sister, Shelley,
Speaker 1: stood in front of her staring, then said goodbye and left.
Speaker 1: At three forty five, she went walking down the hill,
Speaker 1: headed toward the shops downtown. That night, when she didn't
Speaker 1: come home for dinner, her mom, Susan, called around to
Speaker 1: Josette's friends and knocked on the doors of their houses.
Speaker 1: None of them had seen her since school let out,
Speaker 1: so Susan asked her daughters if she should call the cops.
Speaker 1: Her oldest girl, Shelley, nixed the idea, saying that cops
Speaker 1: do nothing till forty eight hours have passed. Nonetheless, Susan
Speaker 1: called the next morning when there was still no sign
Speaker 1: up Josette. Pa Castaldo, the others impersonating detective, was a
Speaker 1: sign to find Josette, but he had no training in
Speaker 1: missing person searches. He'd spent the bulk of his career
Speaker 1: as a deputy and detective in a narcotic squad, so
Speaker 1: with no leads to go on, he focused on the
Speaker 1: town's drug dealers, starting with Anthony to Pippo, I.
Speaker 3: Would not really argue that I was a successful drug dealer.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even argue that I broke even you know,
Speaker 3: I covered some costs, but mostly ingested more than.
Speaker 1: I was ever intent. Anthony was all of eighteen when
Speaker 1: Josette Wright went missing, at six or five and two
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pounds. He walked and talked like an
Speaker 1: underground wrestler, which was exactly the sort of vibe he
Speaker 1: was going for. He and his boys got up the
Speaker 1: crazy stuff together. They staged many WrestleManias in their yards,
Speaker 1: breaking chairs and tube lights over each other's skulls. They
Speaker 1: ditched class to get high and sell we to their classmates,
Speaker 1: and any money Anthony made never amounted him much was
Speaker 1: used to fund his rave trips to the city. You know,
Speaker 1: the music was like.
Speaker 3: And then they would have these laser lights and these
Speaker 3: smoke machines. You got five thousand kids and they're just
Speaker 3: in there in half of them don't even know they're there,
Speaker 3: and the other half are just dancing until they drop.
Speaker 1: And his buddies would walk the South Bronx at night,
Speaker 1: the cop weed an angel dust and dance still dawn
Speaker 1: at the Rays and Chelsea clubs, so.
Speaker 3: Like the city ones are early the best ones, and
Speaker 3: it's like just it's it's it's an experience, you know.
Speaker 1: I was. They drive home with Carmel high off their heads,
Speaker 1: seem to have everything, including the Cross County Parkway.
Speaker 3: Listening to the music on the way there, listening to
Speaker 3: music on the way back. We're driving our vehicle smoking
Speaker 3: space base. Now we're mixing the crack and the dust
Speaker 3: and off the cloud.
Speaker 1: Night in a town with a little or no violent crime,
Speaker 1: Anthony had his run ins with the cops.
Speaker 3: My first real encounter with the cops was it was
Speaker 3: criminal mischief. I threw a metal garbage can at the
Speaker 3: window of a Metro North train and then the cops
Speaker 3: all of a sudden came and they started running after us,
Speaker 3: and so I ran and I got in the woods
Speaker 3: and they.
Speaker 1: Were bringing the dog, Rebel, the canine.
Speaker 3: So I'm like fox, I tried to bury myself in
Speaker 3: these leaves, and I'm like, the fucking dog comes right
Speaker 3: up there, she find something like you got me. It
Speaker 3: takes me in jail, and it felt like, you know,
Speaker 3: it felt kind of like a badge honor. That was crazy.
Speaker 3: I had just shaved the sides of my head and
Speaker 3: I had all this leaf particles on it, and I
Speaker 3: was itchy, and I guess I probably ran into some poison,
Speaker 3: ivy or something. I would love to have all of
Speaker 3: my mug shots back.
Speaker 1: You could say Anthony had a rep around too.
Speaker 2: They stood out based on their clothes and actually this
Speaker 2: was probably cutting edge at that time to have them bag,
Speaker 2: you know, hanging you know, your butt hanging out. They
Speaker 2: looked exactly like unsavories.
Speaker 1: That's Peter Erickson again, he's one of the hunters who
Speaker 1: was in the woods today Joset's bones were found. You
Speaker 1: remember seeing Anthony and his boys around town.
Speaker 2: They had that type of look like they were the
Speaker 2: type of kids that were selling drugs and school kids
Speaker 2: as they were walking up from the school of the
Speaker 2: Delhi not kids i'd want my daughter.
Speaker 4: To come home with.
Speaker 2: And I would assume at that time a lot of
Speaker 2: people had that same opinion.
Speaker 7: You couldn't you couldn't miss Anthony. He's huge. I'm sure
Speaker 7: they like stereotyped him to be a thug or you know,
Speaker 7: a hood rat or however you want to call him.
Speaker 7: But yet he was always soft spoken, you know, like
Speaker 7: he's he was this big guy, but yet so teddy bears.
Speaker 1: Rachel got to know Anthony on that group home porch
Speaker 1: he dropped by of with a dozen or so girls
Speaker 1: who lived there.
Speaker 3: Saint Cobrini's group homeer was on Seminary Hill Road. We'd
Speaker 3: hang we'd hang out and talk and you know, sometimes
Speaker 3: we'd sneak off a little bit and smoke.
Speaker 1: Or make out whatever.
Speaker 3: And from a young guy, there's a lot of young girls,
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, hey, you don't know, you don't
Speaker 3: want to smoke pot? Yeah, they were already having pot problems,
Speaker 3: so that's what we did.
Speaker 1: Anthony was often there with his best friend Andy. Andy
Speaker 1: was a lot smaller than Anthony, maybe five seven in boots,
Speaker 1: but at a short king's confidence around girls around guys.
Speaker 1: Though he had a quick, fused temper.
Speaker 7: Andy he was more of the well, what you know,
Speaker 7: I'm not I'm not trying to you know, like, but
Speaker 7: if if you had a problem with him, he wanted
Speaker 7: to know why. And I remember Anthony and Andy with
Speaker 7: this big old juke box, you know, like they would
Speaker 7: just be doing nothing and get blamed for something like
Speaker 7: something just as walking up and down a hill with
Speaker 7: a juke box, you know, like Watery Order.
Speaker 1: Or Detective Nostaldo suspected Anthony was more than just a
Speaker 1: two bit dealer. Anthony found that out one cold winter morning,
Speaker 1: three months after jezz Hat disappeared.
Speaker 3: I'm walking down three on one.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: Three on one is a road that goes to Cold Spring.
Speaker 3: It's a long road. I didn't have my license yet.
Speaker 3: I just had a permit, and I didn't.
Speaker 1: Have a car. He was walking home from a girlfriend's
Speaker 1: house where he just spent the night. Now, if you
Speaker 1: ask him, Anthony was a player in the day. He
Speaker 1: says he kept a notebook with the numbers of three
Speaker 1: hundred girls, but he either didn't have it on him
Speaker 1: that day or none of those girls would feel his calls. Courthouse.
Speaker 1: I'm walking in It's a long walk. I don't want
Speaker 1: to walk the whole thing. I'm stressed out about it.
Speaker 1: It's six seven, maybe eight miles to Caramel, and I'm
Speaker 1: way out of place at a way out of an hour,
Speaker 1: like early fucking seven thirty eight o'clock. I'm walking twenty
Speaker 1: minutes into it. Anthony found himself surrounded.
Speaker 3: I get four cop cars. They pull up all different
Speaker 3: ways like weird, right, and then an unmarked car and
Speaker 3: then it's Castaldo. Well, the first thing you don't want
Speaker 3: to do when you're surrounded by four cop cars and
Speaker 3: you're not doing nothing is run. If I ran, they
Speaker 3: know I got something. I'm not running.
Speaker 1: Besides, this time he was clean, by dumb luck.
Speaker 3: I didn't have anything. If I did, it was probably
Speaker 3: half a joint.
Speaker 1: Castaldo rolled his windowed down to talk to Anthony.
Speaker 3: He's like, you had to need to Pipo. Yeah, come
Speaker 3: with me, so I get I get in his car.
Speaker 3: He was, you know, a big Italian guy. You know,
Speaker 3: he seemed like a kind of scary guy. But he's
Speaker 3: being polite to me.
Speaker 1: Anthony thought he was being taken for a tuna. That
Speaker 1: was Castaldo's wrap around town. A cop with heavy hands.
Speaker 1: Castaldo had a different message in mind.
Speaker 3: He says he's investigating this missing girl, Josette.
Speaker 1: Right. Anthony knew her. Of course, he'd seen her hanging
Speaker 1: with the group home girls and wandering the streets of
Speaker 1: Carmel at all hours.
Speaker 3: You know, you would see Josette walking around. You see
Speaker 3: Josette in the deli there, the Glenida Delhi and the
Speaker 3: Launs you met and this little area.
Speaker 1: You remember one time in particular.
Speaker 3: I was sitting on the church steps, like a lot
Speaker 3: of times, the girls from the group home around three
Speaker 3: point thirty would go to these steps, and she was
Speaker 3: crying and I could tell it was probably something from home.
Speaker 3: But I wish I asked, And I always thought that,
Speaker 3: like my whole life, if I could have just asked
Speaker 3: one question, you know what's wrong. But she asked me
Speaker 3: for a cigarette. I knew it was wrong, but you're crying, girl,
Speaker 3: You're already smoking, and I know what you're doing out here,
Speaker 3: so I have it, and I gave her a cigarette.
Speaker 1: You let the cigarette for her.
Speaker 3: She had longbod hair and blue eyes twelve for twelve
Speaker 3: year old.
Speaker 1: But Costaldo wasn't asking about her appearance. He wanted leads
Speaker 1: on her disappearance.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't really know I know the girl,
Speaker 3: I don't really know anything. I haven't heard anything. He says,
Speaker 3: if you do, please call this and he gave me
Speaker 3: his card.
Speaker 1: By the time Castaldo dropped him in downtown Carmel, Anthony's
Speaker 1: stomach was a nots all those detectives to drop a
Speaker 1: business card. They were clearly on a mission and not
Speaker 1: for crime stopper tips. What Anthony couldn't have known then
Speaker 1: was how far those costs would go to put Joseph writes,
Speaker 1: murder on someone or that he Anthony, what's been the
Speaker 1: next three decades searching for actual killer? That killer has
Speaker 1: been lurking in plain sight forever, but the Putnam cops
Speaker 1: won't touch him, and never did. And so five years
Speaker 1: after I first wrote this story, I'm mispossessed by it.
Speaker 1: As Anthony in twenty twenty one, I've laughed in your
Speaker 1: face if you'd asked me about the devil. But soon,
Speaker 1: very soon, you'll know what I know. That the Devil
Speaker 1: is real and walks among us. The Devil's Quarry is
Speaker 1: a production of Love of for Good in association with
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone Films and Signal Company Number One. I'm your
Speaker 1: creator and host Paul Soli Taroff. Executive producers are Jason Flomm,
Speaker 1: Jeff Kempler, Kevin Wardis and Gilbert King from Rolling Stone Films.
Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Alexandre Dale and Sean Woods. Our
Speaker 1: producers are Karakornhaber, Hannah Beale, Jackie Pawley, Austin Smith and
Speaker 1: Kathleen Horn. Our editors Joel Lovell. Fact checking by Lucy Croning.
Speaker 1: Our sound designer is Brit Spangler and our engineer is
Speaker 1: Austin Smith. Additional reporting by Kathleen Horrant. Original music arranged
Speaker 1: and produced by Alexis Quadrado at the Plaza Rojas Studio
Speaker 1: at a marketing and operations Jeff Cleibern, publicist Nathaniel Baruch,
Speaker 1: art director Andrew Nelson, Social media manager Sarah Gibbons. Legal
Speaker 1: review provided by Claris Law and Gibson Done. Our theme song,
Speaker 1: The One Who's Holding the Stars, is performed by Alexis
Speaker 1: Quadrado at the Plaza Roja Studio. Vocals by Rob Reddy
Speaker 1: of California. Corns written by Leo Schofield and Kevin Harrick
Speaker 1: at the Florida Department of Corrections Hardy Correctional Facility