1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Hello Texans, and welcome to the program that brings you 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: wherever the Texans might be going. And this week they're 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: at the Combine in Indianapolis. Mark Vandermayer, John Harris with you. 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: We had general manager Nick Casserio on the program last night, 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: and tonight it's head coach Lovey Smith to kick things off. 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: Later on, former NFL coach Dave McGinnis. He was head 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: coach of the Cardinals. He's coached a lot of places. 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: He's at Texan TCUILAM. We're gonna have him on. It's 9 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: gonna be very interesting stuff. And later on John Schmelt 10 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: of Giants dot Com. They're on the Texans schedule. Texans 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: going to the Metal Lands this year. Let's talk to 12 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: him about what they're going through from a Texans lens 13 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: or through it from that perspective. But right now, the 14 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: head coach of your Texans, Lovey Smith, as we catch 15 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: up with him, and first item on the agenda is 16 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: what's on the agenda? Well, it kind of starts the process, 17 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: you know, kind of official kickoff to really looking to 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: change your roster and see what the roster we look 19 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: like for the for the upcoming year. First time we 20 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: get a chance to meet you know, college prospects, see them, 21 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: work out, get medical information on them. It's a lot 22 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: of information and a lot of time we'll be spending 23 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: together in upcoming weeks. But this starts the process. Coach, 24 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: how much of a stress is off your shoulders once 25 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: you get your coaching staff in place? Now that you 26 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: have it in place, how does that feel? I've made 27 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: a statement. It's one of the hardest things you have 28 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: to do as a as a head football coach is 29 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: first all putting staff together and then keeping your football 30 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: staff together. So for us to be able to get 31 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: that done as soon as we were able to, of course, 32 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: we had a head start to be first, to be 33 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: able to get the coordinators in place, you know, Pep Hamilton, 34 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: of course, Frank Ross and some of our you know, 35 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: our coaches that will be at in prominent positions, so 36 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: to be able to get together. And then it's just 37 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: not them, it's all of the staff. It just kind 38 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: of fell into place, and really love I know, every 39 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: hit football coach is gonna talk about how he loves 40 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: his staff, right, and I do. I just liked the 41 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: group we're able to put together. It seemed like well 42 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: we're speaking a you know, a similar language early in 43 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: the process. Well, it's interesting because every team wants to 44 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: be good en the trenches and the guys you have 45 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: coach in those position groups jacquesas there, George Warhop. This 46 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 1: has been really interesting for us to meet those guys 47 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: because we felt like running through a brick wall after 48 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: we had our media sessions with them. Well, they first off, 49 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 1: George Warhop. You know George with my offensive line coach 50 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: in Tampa. So I had had an opportunity interview him before, 51 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: get to know him, see him, not just wondering what 52 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: he's liked seeing in every situation. So that was a 53 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: get right away for him. His experience that he's going 54 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: to bring to the offensive line room is pretty special. 55 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 1: And the same thing with Jock. I didn't know him, 56 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: but I knew his background, his family, where he had 57 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: been from. You know, he was assistant defensive line coach 58 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: for the Buffalo Bills. Eric Washington, the defensive line coach 59 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: there was on my staff in Chicago. Eric worked for 60 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: Rod and Marinelli, one of my best friends in life, 61 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: and of course with a defensive line guru, it just 62 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: all made sense. And when I talked with Josh. With 63 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: Jock right away, you know you kind of know no 64 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: early on that yeah, this is gonna be good. This 65 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: is a good fit, and he's hit the payment run. 66 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: And I'm going to say that for our our entire staff, 67 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: we didn't bring all of our staff up here and 68 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: that decision. You know, you can get an awful lot here, 69 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: but when your new staff, there's a lot of work 70 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: to be done. And the guy those guys are back, 71 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: they're working their butts off. Coach when you put that 72 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: staff together. Obviously you talked about guys George did coach 73 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: for you previously. You didn't know, Jock. What was the 74 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: main thing you were looking for from a group of 75 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: assistants to join you? Well, stern teachers, guys that have 76 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: an expertise, But I also know how to communicate that 77 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: to the players and the system that we put in 78 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: play offensively, defensively and special teams too, where players who 79 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: won't feel like that it brings out the best in them. 80 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: We feel like we're a player. We have player friendly 81 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: systems with all three phases. But that's what you're looking 82 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: for a little bit in your staff. You and I 83 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: did a zoom call for the season ticket members and 84 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: midway through Nick, as Sarrio jumped on, it's kind of 85 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: like the halftime show cameo appearance, and I can tell 86 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: you to have chemistry already working together. I know you've 87 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: been in the building a year, but now that you're 88 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: the head coach, how's that going and how will that 89 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: help you here and beyond as you put together the 90 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two Texans, well, first off as a month, 91 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: it's just I make you know, it's a marriage. You 92 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: have to be able to get along with wife, have 93 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: to get along with the husband. You kind of joined together, 94 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: and there's kind of honeymoon phase two. Feel like, you know, 95 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: Nick and I knew each other, you know before, and 96 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: I knew what kind of football guy was, knew what 97 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: kind of man he was. So but from there of 98 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: us going to work now, there's so many things we 99 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: have to talk about on how we're building this franchise 100 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: back up, and that process started immediately and it's carrying on. 101 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: We have meetings going on right now, but we're still 102 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: meeting by stuff, just getting on the same page with everything. Coach. 103 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: One of the things that Nick brought up and you 104 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: spoke to it a little bit, but Nick talked a 105 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: little bit more about it was talking with you during 106 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: the season about defensive football and you hear three four 107 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: verses fourth three. You and I've talked about that before, 108 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: but you guys come from different schools. I was intrigued 109 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: by the conversations that you guys had and how you 110 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: shared together and came to I say common ground because 111 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: maybe you never come to a common ground, but maybe 112 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: it's hey, I just look at it this way. We 113 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,239 Speaker 1: look at it this way. But how did those conversations 114 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: help when the conversation came around it of you being 115 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: the head coach? How do you think those conversations talking 116 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: just defensive football helped getting you to the spot where 117 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: you are today the head coach alongside general manager Nick Cassario. Well, 118 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 1: I think, first off, we did have to come to 119 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: a common ground on how we do things. And I 120 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: think if you just educate people on why everything that 121 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: we do and just talking, you know, talking defensively, there's 122 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: a reason why. You know, in my years of coaching 123 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: that I've come to conclusion that this is what we 124 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: want to do, this is our you know, this is 125 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: why we're going to base out of the four man front. 126 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: This is why we're gonna play these courages. These blitzes 127 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: has been tried and tested throughout and I like when 128 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 1: people ask why. I like one of the main things 129 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: I want a player to ask is, hey, coach, why 130 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: do we do it this way? What's the reason behind this? 131 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: And you give an origin behind with the reason why 132 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: we do it. And the same thing with Nick. There's 133 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: a lot of ways. There are a lot of three 134 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: four teams that really believe in what they do. But 135 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: I believe in this, and there's a group in our 136 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: family that believes this is the way to play winning football. 137 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: And that has just been magnified even more through my 138 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: time in the league. And I was out of the 139 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: league for a while and I came back and I 140 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: believe it even more. On how we do things. We 141 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: did some good things defensively. Some good things defensively is 142 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: past year. But on what and who we can become. 143 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: That's what's most exciting right now of this system and 144 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: us adding a few more guys to it and coaching 145 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: it up better. It's interesting because offensive football, some of 146 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: the numbers have really evolved. You look at completion percentage 147 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: and how that's gone up it's like inflation, coach, But 148 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: the way you do business defensively, you have the belief 149 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: that it stops that or slows it down enough. Yes, 150 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: there's going to be you know, completions per se. You know, 151 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: you can look at a completion percentage and two yard 152 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: two yard pass. It didn't tell you an awful lot. 153 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: The stats that we put the most emphasis on defensively, 154 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: I'm talking about, yeah, yard rushing yards, pack carey. Most 155 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: of that is just based on whether you give a 156 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: big place or not. You can't give a big place. 157 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: We gave it too many at times this past year. 158 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: Third down conversions, that's important. Yeah, taking the ball away. 159 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: You know how much we talk about takeaways. The reason 160 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: why it's just not I mean that leads a point, right, 161 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: And so these are the things that you have to 162 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: put an emphasis on. This is what our defense is 163 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: all about. And and for the guys to know where 164 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: he's supposed to be strong by play, I'm talking about 165 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: whatever the field. You know, making a team dumped the 166 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: ball off, that's a good thing. You know why First off, 167 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: you know it's not pushing the ball at the field, 168 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: but now we get a chance to hit them to 169 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 1: show a physical part of the game and also take 170 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: the ball away. So these are the things we've been 171 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: doing for a long period of time. We really believe in. 172 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,599 Speaker 1: Every coach on our staff believes in how there's a 173 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: lot of ways of doing it, but you have to 174 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: have a belief that this is the way that leads 175 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: to winning football. Schooled me last year. I don't call 176 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: it turnover anymore. It's not a turnover anymore. It's always 177 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: a takeaway. So whenever a hairy turner like no, no, no, 178 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: it's a takeaway. And coach, I know that your lessons. 179 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: I mean, we saw it for a year. I'm down 180 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 1: at the senior ball on the very first day of 181 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: practice Kirby Joseph from Illinois a pick and a funnel 182 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: recovery and I was like, loveby Smith impact right there, 183 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: he's here, the one of the linebackers this year from Illinois. 184 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: J Yeah, Jake Hanson. I'm sure there are some of 185 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: these guys that you recruited. Does that give you I 186 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: don't see it gives your leg up or bag, But 187 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: just the fact that you know some of the guys, 188 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: it's some capacity that maybe you bring itton interview room, 189 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: like hey, hey, Joe, how are you doing? Man? Remember 190 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 1: when I was recruiting you. Does that help you in 191 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: any way? Here? It definitely helps. And every night we've 192 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: had interviewers as someone that I've recruited that I know personally, 193 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: that helps an awful lot. Yeah, it helps when you 194 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: know guys like some of the Illinois gas you talk 195 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: about that here. I know who they are. I've seen 196 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: them three years or whatever. I've been in their home, 197 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: so I know everything I need to know about them. 198 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: But also my time in college of just you know, 199 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: playing Big ten football. A lot of Big ten athletes 200 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: here right now that I compete against, So I feel 201 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 1: like I have an upper hand knowing those guys too. 202 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: All of that helps. You mentioned a lot of your 203 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: staff isn't here. Coach, how long have you been coming here? 204 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: You were on a staff in the nineties, So were 205 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: you at the combine in the nineties and what were 206 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 1: you doing? And could you discuss the evolution of this 207 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: because it's fascinating. I was a secondary coach at Ohio State. 208 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: We finished our season, I get a call from you know, 209 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: Tony dunny Say. Tony Dungeon is new head football coach 210 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: for the Tampa Buccaneers and defensive coordinating Money Kiffing Cammas 211 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: have a linebacker job open and he say, can you 212 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: me met to comebine in eighteen eighty six? Can you 213 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: meet me at to combine? And I want to talk 214 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: football with you. I got in my car, drove down here. 215 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: Then it was OURCA Dome. Money Kiffing had a room, 216 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: had a little side room. Now. I walked right in, 217 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: didn't see any of comeback. We went in a little 218 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: side room like this. Three hours later we finished. He said, hey, 219 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: good job. I'll get back with you later. I drove 220 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: home late on that night. They called me and say 221 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: he want you to come to Tampa. So that was 222 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: my first dealings with a combine that really kind of 223 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: and has it changed a lot. No, We're getting good 224 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: information back then, We're getting good information right now. And 225 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: this kind of must is the biggest thing us this media, 226 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: all of us digital teams and all these cameras. Is 227 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 1: that the biggest part of it that's just exploded over 228 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: the years. That's probably the biggest part that's changed. But 229 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: everything has changed. I mean now we hold all of 230 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 1: the night meetings we used to be holding at holiday 231 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: and I think now they're all. Of course, it's been 232 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: a suite up up top. But everything has gotten better. 233 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 1: Back when I first started, I mean I didn't have 234 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: an iPhone then. So every technology is so much better 235 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: and we can get so much valuable information that helps 236 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: us make great decisions. Having recruited some of the guys 237 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: who are here, what's interesting to me is you recruited 238 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: back in the day at Ohio State and NFL head 239 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: coach for so long, assistant coach before that, back in 240 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: college now here, how have athletes changed. Can you discuss 241 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 1: that a little bit? Well, they've changed a little bit. 242 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: When I was I told you that year I came 243 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: down my top six defensive backs at Ohio State. That 244 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: was back I guess it was the ninety five season. 245 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: Top six got drafted in the second round of higher 246 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: Sean Springs was the third pick I think in the draft. 247 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: It maybe the highest cornerback ever drafted in the draft. 248 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: Great athletes back then. It's great athletes now. You know 249 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: they're running a little faster, but there were great athletes 250 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: back then too. It's just now you just look at 251 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 1: things that have changed on how athletes train. Just everything 252 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: is better. So of course the athlete is gonna be 253 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: a little bit better too. Coach, when you go through 254 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: this process you talk about building the team, You've mentioned 255 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: it a few times, so I want to hit out 256 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: a little bit more. And that's physical toughness you talked about. 257 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: We'd like to see a guy, we'd like to see 258 00:12:58,120 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: quarterback check it down because we're gonna come up with 259 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: going to introduce ourselves to him and let that guy 260 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: know we're gonna be a physical football team. Is that 261 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: one of the tenants you want to see no matter 262 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: who you draft or who you bring into the organization 263 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 1: from this process. Guys that show that mental and physical toughness, 264 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: is that gonna be up to the top of the 265 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: list of things you're looking for. Absolutely. I was at 266 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: a place once where our quarterback, instead of running out 267 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: of bounds, he ran back inside and got hurt. We 268 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: don't want our quarterback showing that. We want David's fees 269 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: running to get down or get out of bounds everybody else. Though. 270 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: One way to tell if the football team is tough 271 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: or not, well, you do your wide receivers like to block? 272 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: Do they like to block? Other way? Do your cornerback 273 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: like to tackle? So physical football. Absolutely, it's a month 274 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna have run periods where it's just 275 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: blocking and tackling. You are personality when people leave in 276 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: ourg stadium, Yes, we want them to talk about how 277 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: physical a brand of football that we play. Opponents come in, man, 278 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: hey we have we have the Texans this week. We 279 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: know it's gonna we know it's gonna be a physical game. 280 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: That's absolutely the mindset we would like to have, coach. 281 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: Something very important was brought up in your press conference today. 282 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: That's R and B music and uh I was wondering, artists, 283 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: are we talking about green here or and would you 284 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: classify the spinners and stylistics as R and B or soul? 285 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: How would you categorize those? Well, of both, I would 286 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: say they're soul, R and B spinners one of my 287 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: all time I had listened to quite a bit of 288 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: my alarm in the morning. A change is gonna, A 289 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: change is gonna come by Otis Redding is my alarm 290 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: that I wake up with each day. Oh yes, so 291 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: any old school and I'm talking about boots. He's rubber 292 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: band Parliament that group. Oh wow, But a wreath of 293 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: Franklin of course, Cladys Night into Pip anyone in that 294 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: average white band. Uh, there's so many, but that group, 295 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: that's what I listened to. Nothing, the OJ's, Eric Winnepier, 296 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: all of those we can go on and own and own. 297 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: That's me. So when somebody says, Lina Richard, you you're 298 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: thinking commodorees. Yeah, I'm thinking there's commodores. And you know, 299 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: I can understand leaving the commodores. We all have to 300 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: make a move. But that's why you talk about the OJ's. 301 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: The OJ's never parted. They never broke up. When you 302 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: have a group like that, think of how many groups 303 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: stayed together their entire time, the three of them the 304 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: entire time. That's pretty special, right, because the Temptations have 305 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: had David Ruff and different one then it's all of those, 306 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: But the oj stayed together in the entire time. One 307 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: of my favorites, coach, what's your pregame music when you 308 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: go to one of those? Is that what you can? 309 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: Could I see you before the game, and I mean 310 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: you are in You're in a different zone, like you're 311 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: in a zen zone. Whatever, what get you you're going 312 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,479 Speaker 1: before a game? Yeah, And there's some you know, religious 313 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: podcasts that I listened to also. But as far as 314 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: music is concerned, yeah, it's that I have a wide 315 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: variety of music and even TikTok nowadays. I know the 316 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: spirit throws y'all, but I'm a TikTok guy too, because 317 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: what you can get. What you can get is you 318 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: can get old you can get old uh concerts clips. 319 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: There's nothing like. It's one thing listening to the old music, 320 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: but seeing them perform it, it's pretty special. Yeah, some 321 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: of the footage you've never seen before you get that's 322 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: what where did you get that? That's exactly what I'm 323 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: going through a lot of much spare time. This one. 324 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: What's the documentary Summer of Souls? You've seen it. I've 325 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: seen the Summer of Soul and I've seen it. It's 326 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: Sly and the Family Stone that that performance that they did, 327 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: that's the Summer of Soul as you can see. Now 328 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: you give me in music now we can talk arrested right, 329 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: And they were at Woodstock too, They're a movie there 330 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: at Woodstock too. I also have the whole document with 331 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: three hours of Woodstock. Can't tell you how many times 332 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: I've seen Woodstock and that documentary also Yeah, Richie Havens 333 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: excellent absolute coach sax a lot for joining thanks to man. 334 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: There's Texans head coach Lovey Smith coming up. Dave McGinnis. 335 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,479 Speaker 1: He does color commentary for Titans Radio, and he has 336 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: a lot to say about what's going on here with 337 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: the Titans, with the AFC South and then some it's 338 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: next on Texans Radio. It's Texans Radio coming your way 339 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: from the NFL scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Now. Dave McGinnis 340 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: was a head coach in the NFL and he does 341 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: color commentary for Titans Radio. And let's start here with 342 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: a two prompt question. Does the outside world overreact when 343 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: a team loses its first playoff game after clinching the 344 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: number one seed, particularly in this case the Tennessee Titans situation, 345 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: And what about their situation moving forward? What do they 346 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: need to do? The first answer is yes to the 347 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: overreactions because the National Footballgue is now such a marketing monster. 348 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: And here's the other thing about the National Football League 349 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: that's different from all the other professional sports. Guys, when 350 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: you get in the playoffs, we've got No. Three out 351 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: of five, we've got No. Four out of seven. You know, 352 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: we don't. And everything that's done in the National Football 353 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: League is one at a time, and it's immediate. Hey, 354 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: it's not only the playoffs. Let's back up a little 355 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: mark every week. If you lose, we're done. If you win, 356 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: we're going to Super Bowl. Yeah, and that's the outside. 357 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: But that's why I say when and when you ask 358 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: me about Vabel or about Dicka, those guys understand that. 359 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: See part of that. And it's even expanded more now 360 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: with the way the world is, with everything that goes 361 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: on with the social media and all this stuff. Everything 362 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: is immediate and everybody becomes an expert and everybody has 363 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: an opinion. Is that is out there, that's that's public. 364 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: So you have to understand the grind that the National 365 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: Football League is. You know, I work for Jeff Fisher. 366 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: He understood it too, he was you know, he understood that. 367 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: And so your question, Yeah, when you lose in the playoffs, 368 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: it's like it's over everything that you know, everybody that's 369 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: in that building when you lose needs to be gone. 370 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: You know, it needs to be gone. They need you 371 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: need to change everything. Well, that's not what it is. 372 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: First of all, it's really hard to get there and 373 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: second of all, it's a one games it's a you know, 374 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: it's it's a one game shot. And so like with 375 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: the Titans, I mean, you all of a sudden and 376 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: I don't want to talk all Titans on here and 377 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 1: we're not, which I like. But the thing about it 378 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: is when you go through a season with COVID and 379 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: with going through ninety one different players on a roster, 380 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: that to me, I've coached, I coached for thirty one 381 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: years in this league. I understand how hard it is 382 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: to put together an active roster every week when you 383 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 1: but to go through ninety one different players. That's why Mike, 384 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: that's why Mike Rabel was Coach of the Year, and 385 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: his staff and the whole organization, John Robinson, all of them. 386 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: It was a marvelous job of what they did to 387 00:19:58,119 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: put all that to, you know, to be able to 388 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: do that. But then what happens is is your expectations 389 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: start to write, which is fine, that's what you want. 390 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: Then they get the number one seed and then all 391 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 1: of a sudden you've got a chance to get your 392 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: people back. So everybody's going, well, this is a this 393 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: is a walk, you know, this is this is a walk. 394 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: Into what we're getting ready to do, and then you know, 395 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: you turn the ball over and you lose, and all 396 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: of a sudden everybody, So do you overreact? Yes? Is 397 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: there disappointment? Absolutely? And should there be disappointment, absolutely, there 398 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,959 Speaker 1: should be. But it's what's going on. What's going on 399 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: in Tennessee is really solid and really good from the 400 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: top down, Amy Adam Strunks and she's taken over. Guys. 401 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: I mean you would I mean you guys work in 402 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: the National Football League, you would love her as an owner. 403 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: And John Robinson and Mike Rabel are a perfect fit. 404 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: That's why they both got extended together. And they'll keep rolling. Coach. 405 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: You know this as well as anybody. It is so 406 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: hard that we were just talking about Tom Brady. He's 407 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: played in ten of forty six Super Bowls since he's 408 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: been alive. Mark and I are saying, man, we'd like 409 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: to go to We'd like to go to one. We 410 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: just like to get there to one. The Titans did 411 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: get there back in ninety nine. They've gotten close, they 412 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: got close in nineteen. What puts them over the hump, 413 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: in your opinion, what gets them to the Super Bowl? 414 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: What gets them to a Super Bowl Championship. In your opinion, well, 415 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: I think what they're gonna have to do is be 416 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: able to they they had the team to do it 417 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 1: this year, because if you'd ask me this last year, 418 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: I would have said, you know, they're gonna have to 419 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: get better on defense. Well they did that, all right, 420 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: you ask me this year. What they're gonna have to 421 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: do is they're gonna have to They're gonna have to 422 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: get more consistent offensively, because there were stretches offensively where 423 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: they were really dangerous. All right, Derek Henry goes down. 424 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: They're still able to keep a run game generated and 425 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: a run game going. And let's just be honest. You 426 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: know what happened and what happened in the playoffs was 427 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: you know, you threw three interceptions, the turnovers. You know, 428 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: that's it. So I would say when they are breaking 429 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: down their film, they said, you know, we've got to 430 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,959 Speaker 1: protect the ball better on offense, and we've got to 431 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: continue to be able to build upon this capability that 432 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: we generated this year of being able to rush with 433 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: four people. Yes, that's the key now in the National 434 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: Football League. If you can generate a rush and I'm 435 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: not talking about a sack every time. But you've got 436 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: to be able to get people off the spot and 437 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: be able to and be able to alter routes, be 438 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: able to alter time with four people. Because the way 439 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 1: the game has spread horizontally, you have got to be able. 440 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: If you have seven in coverage, you have a chance. 441 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: If you have seven in coverage against five, I'm not 442 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: very smart, but they had Math and Snyder Texas. If 443 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: you've got seven against five eligible, you know, and I've 444 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: been a defensive coordinator for a long time in this league, 445 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: then you've got a chance to do something with your coverage. 446 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: But if you are forced to bring more people to 447 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: legitimately get somebody off a spot, then the one on ones, 448 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: the one on one capabilities in this league go exponentially 449 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: to the offensive side of the ball now because of 450 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: the way the rules are. When I first started coaching 451 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: defense in this league, it was different. You could do 452 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: some things to tier inside routes. Yeah, you could do 453 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: some things to deter quarterbacks from holding on to it 454 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: a long time. You know. Now it's different. It's different, 455 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: And so I would say just more consistency offensively as 456 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: far as protecting the football would be the number one 457 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: biggest thing. And then of course, guys, when I first 458 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: got into the league, there was no free agency, no 459 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: salary cap. As you got. The salary cap now is 460 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: a great leveling factor, you know in the National Football League, 461 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: and the salary cap and the inverse draft order. You know, 462 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: if you're making the right choices is a huge leveling factor. 463 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: If you win, which one of the Titans had six 464 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: winning seasons in a row, now you're gonna be drafting 465 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: it that so your evaluation ability becomes very very important too. 466 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: Dave McInnis joining against Tennessee Titans, radio color commentator, former 467 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: NFL coach, want more for you? No, he wouldn't do 468 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: all that we want Indiana State. I gotta go back 469 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: to that. I'm gonna hit the brakes on a Larry 470 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,719 Speaker 1: Bird right there, because watching him play when you were 471 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: coaching on campus, what was that like? Stop it? I 472 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: mean it was you know when we went, Bob King 473 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: was the athletic director that hired a guy named Dick 474 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: Jameson to be the head coach. It was the offensive 475 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: coordinate at Missouri, and that's why I decided to go 476 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: and Bob King a legendary basketball coach, you know, collegiately 477 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: had just gotten Larry Bird. Larry Bird originally went to IU, 478 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: you know, and then transfers to Indiana State. And so 479 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: what Bob King wanted to do was what he knew 480 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 1: the basketball program was going to ascend. He wanted to 481 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: to get the football program to ascend, you know, along 482 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: with it. And so you know, if things worked out, 483 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: he knew it was going to have Final Four money 484 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: he was going to have, you know. So anyway, we 485 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: go in there and Bird is there. And let me 486 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: just say this. When I was at Indiana State coaching football, 487 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: Larry Bird is there in basketball. Kurt you know, Kurt 488 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: Thomas was there on the on the Olympic team of 489 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: the gymnast you know, the gymnastic team. Bruce Bumgartner, you know, 490 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 1: the world uh grec O wrestling champion, you know when 491 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: was there on the rest, was there on the wrestling team, 492 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: you know, and so it was it was a really 493 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: unique time to be there. But to be able to 494 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: watch Larry Bird. I became very good friends with the 495 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: guy that was the color commentator that would do some 496 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: color sometimes on the basketball game, had his own plane 497 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: would fly well, you know, he was very close to 498 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: Larry Bird. So I got to know, you know, got 499 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: to know the whole group because you're there, you know, 500 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: you're there in Tara Hold, Indiana. Guys. It was really 501 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: kind of a surreal experience because when you first would 502 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 1: watch him play with the guys, you would you would go, 503 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: there's something different about this guy. And he's not skying 504 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: above the rim, he's not doing but just the just 505 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it was nearly damn near like a ballet, 506 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: the things he would do, the presence, and then if 507 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: you ever would talk to him, you know which Jerry 508 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 1: Manley's the guy's name, would do a lot. He could 509 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 1: heat photographic memory of what the floor looked liked at 510 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,719 Speaker 1: times just times you know, four to I mean, and 511 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: then some of the things that he would be able 512 00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: to do. And then as the momentum started to roll, 513 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: it was it was, it was a neat experience to 514 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: be a part of because you were just you knew 515 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: you were watching something special and and and you knew 516 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: that you know, of course, you know the finals with 517 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: he in magic, you know up there. I mean, when 518 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: you watch all of that stuff and you look back 519 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: on it, I think I don't appreciate it enough. Because 520 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: at the time I'm bringing kids in to watch games, 521 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: I'm trying to wark you know, as he's gonna sign here, 522 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: Am I gonna lose him to Am I gonna lose 523 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: him somewhere? But when you look back on it, you go, 524 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: I was really being I was able to witness something special. 525 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 1: He was a He was a true magician with the 526 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: game of basketball. Johnny, who was I thinking of when 527 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: coach said Larry Bird at a photographic memory of the final? 528 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: Because I'm gonna ask this question, Okay, coach, You've been 529 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,719 Speaker 1: around some great, great, great players, eight Hall of famers. 530 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: I've been involved with those players. We had a coach 531 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: and used some of them. With Bill O'Brien. We used 532 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: to ask about Tom Brady and we used to ask 533 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: him what was the greatest thing about Brady? He never 534 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: said arm, He never said um. Even like on field intelligence, 535 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 1: any leadership, he says his recall, Oh, the greatest ones 536 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: that you have been around. Have you found that to 537 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: be the case? Like a Singletary or Otis Wilson or whoever, 538 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: that they could recall something that happened, Hey, coach Weed 539 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 1: in week four when we played this team back in 540 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three. They were in this particular set, and 541 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: I think we should check. Did you feel that way 542 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: when you coached guys of that caliber, that their recall 543 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,959 Speaker 1: made help make them great? John One? Those guys are different, 544 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: they are different, They're they're they're different, and when you've 545 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: been around them long enough, you understand. As I said, 546 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: I've been involved with eight of them. Now. The two 547 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: guys that stick out that I was very closely involved with, 548 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: Mike Singletary was like that when he could tell you 549 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: and he would he could take visiting talking with Mike's 550 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 1: interchanges with Mike Singletary during a game, his recall work. Coach. 551 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: I saw this on their Pittsburgh film, you know, te coach, 552 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: I saw, you know, just and that kind of thing. 553 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: And the other guy that it was that was fascinating 554 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: to get inside of him, and that was Enias Williams. Oh, 555 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: you know. And Enias Williams was one of the most 556 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: pure cover corners I've ever been around in my life. 557 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: And and you know, of course he's in the Hall 558 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: of Fame now. But when we'd get ready to play, 559 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: and I was a defensive coordinator when I first went 560 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: to Arizona and Niki was there and after you know, 561 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: it was we won the first playoff game in fifty 562 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 1: one years. The Cardinals had won as an organization when 563 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: we beat Dallas in Dallas and Nias Williams when you 564 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: would game plan and we were going against a legitimate receiver, 565 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: and it may have it may have spoiled me a 566 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: lot as far as game planning, because I would tell 567 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: Nias every Monday, we would communicate even before the team. 568 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: I said, a Nias, you need to wear the hat 569 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: against Michael Urban. Can you do that? He said, I 570 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: got it. Now I got ten other guy, you know, 571 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: but he could recall. He said, coach, look when he's 572 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: done it. When you know two weeks ago they ran this. 573 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: You know, his split was this, this is what he's 574 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: gonna run. So here's all of that stuff. The great 575 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: ones have it. It was the same way it was. 576 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: It was the same way with Dan Hampton. It's a 577 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: defensive tackle. He and Steve McMichael were brilliant in that 578 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: center guard triangle. Brilliant you know as to as to 579 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: how they could figure it out. One more for you, 580 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: the combine the evolution of this of that your thoughts 581 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: completely different. First year was every I've been to everyone 582 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: of them that's been here. Nineteen eighty seven was the 583 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: first year they're they're all staying. I've been to everyone 584 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty seven. They're all staying over there where 585 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: they still stay now. But it was the wild West. Yeah, no, no, 586 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: there was there was. There was no schedules, no anything. 587 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I was a very young coach, 588 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: and so my job was to go grab guys in 589 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: their room, bring them down to our suite, pull, you know, 590 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: pull them in our suite in the backdoor, so nobody 591 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: could else could get keep him as long as you want, 592 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: send him back out the back door, uh, you know. 593 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: And and I I can still remember, I mean, everybody 594 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: was over there in that lobby. And and of course 595 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: you know, I was just come out of recruiting, so 596 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: I knew, you know, how to operate, how to do stuff. 597 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: And and plus I knew the guys, you know, because 598 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: I just come out of you know, collegiate football, and 599 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: who was who was who in the zoo? So you know, 600 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,239 Speaker 1: but you go up the room and go ahead during 601 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: and get and you know one and they're rooming with 602 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: one another. Both of you come you know, both of them. 603 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it was it was that guys. I'm serious, 604 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: and I can I can still vividly see, you know, 605 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: you know in that lobby, everybody in the lobby and 606 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: coming down the stairs, you know, Dion Sanders, you know, 607 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: Dion was coming down there and at the time had 608 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: the long Jerry curl and had the chains and everything, 609 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: and walking right beside him all, you know, just straight 610 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: up dressed up, just Tom Landry. I'm going, this is 611 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: the NFL. Here we are, you know, I mean, and 612 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: it was, it was a different world. And so I've 613 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: seen it change exponentially. I was, you know, I was 614 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: coaching then. I was a head coach when they when 615 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: they when they started, you know, giving the fifteen minutes. 616 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: And I've seen it evolved. I've worked the floor as 617 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: a linebacker coach, you know, myself at Jim Haslet, John Fox, 618 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: I mean, all of those guys. I worked the floor 619 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: as a linebacker coach for six or seven of these 620 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: in a row, you know. So I've seen it from 621 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: all different angles. And it's a And the other thing 622 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: was the first one I came to and for years, years, 623 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: years nobody was here, said scouts and coaches nobody and 624 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: maybe press, maybe maybe John McClain, John McClain, John McClain, 625 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: Rick Goslin Ya, you know, you know, uh Clark judge, 626 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: you know, but not like this. And then now now 627 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: you've got you've got fans here and it's it's televised, 628 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: and it's I've seen it evolved because I've been to 629 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: every one of them. I've not missed one. And so 630 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: has it changed. I can't tell you how much it's changed, 631 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: but I go back to the wild West days where 632 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: you look back on it and you go, really, what 633 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: about moving it? Well, it's going to happen, you know, 634 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: because the you know, the National Football League and rightfully 635 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: so is a marketing giant and this this sells and 636 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: it should. I mean it's a and it you know, 637 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: what are the three here? The Star and so far right? Yeah, 638 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: so it'll move and and and look when it moves. 639 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: When it moves, they'll run it extremely well. The only 640 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: thing you won't have everybody that's been coming. I don't 641 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: know how many we've gotten this building that have been 642 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: to all of them as I have, but you get 643 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: a familiarity here. I mean I can put it on 644 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: autopilot when I come into this place every year at 645 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: this time of year because I know exactly where everything is, 646 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,959 Speaker 1: I know exactly what's happening. I know exactly that's going 647 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: to change for all of us that have been doing 648 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: it this long, and you know here this place, those 649 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: that are just starting that'll be there, That'll be their norm, 650 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: that'll be how they were. You know. I when I 651 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: drove down from Chicago from my first one, I had 652 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: no idea what was going to be like. So when 653 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: I go to the next one, some play sales starting 654 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: with everybody else. It's what you do, right, Absolutely, Coach, 655 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us. We really appreciate it, guys. 656 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: It's my pleasure. It was great, Okay, it was great. 657 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: There's Dave McGinnis, former NFL coach and color commentator on 658 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: the Titans Radio Network, coming up from Giants dot Com. 659 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: John Schmelk. He hosts a show every day in New 660 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: York City. He hosts a Knicks podcast. He's very active 661 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: in that part of the country. Texans play at the 662 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: Giants this year. Let's get you ready for that one 663 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: and the whole scene in the Big Apple next here 664 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: from Indy on Texans Radio. Fun Night on Texans Radio. 665 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: We already had Lovey Smith and coach Dave McGinnis, Tennessee 666 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: Titans color commentator, and the two of them met up 667 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: after our interview with Lovey Smith. Now, let's go to 668 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: the Big Apple. John Schmelk Giants dot Com hosts a 669 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: show every day for them. It's Big hosts a Knicks podcast, 670 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: Giants going through some changes. They're on the Texans schedule. 671 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: Relevant to the Houston situation? What about the Giants situation? Now, 672 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: it's an overused word, so I hate to use it, 673 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: but I do think that the culture this is gonna 674 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: be making air quotes. Culture that Joe Shane and Brian 675 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,879 Speaker 1: Dabele have brought over from the Bills. Joe Shane being 676 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: the new GM, Brian Dable new head coach. It's different. 677 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: It's very much and I've heard this about how you know, 678 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: Brandon being worked in Buffalo. It's a very family type 679 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: of atmosphere. Everyone's part of the same team, and you 680 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: just get that sense that you know, if Joe Shane 681 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: passes in the hallway, he'll chat you up for five minutes. 682 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: Brian dabe will pull you aside, all how's your family, 683 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 1: how's everything going? This is just in like a month, 684 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: it's been a really good change. Of course, none of 685 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: that matters unless you win football games, as you guys 686 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: well know. So we'll see what the results are. And 687 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: the Giant's already doing some work today to try to 688 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 1: get under the salary cap. They released DeVante Booker and 689 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: Kyle Rudolph to save some money. Joe shane Is said 690 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: he wants to shave forty million off the cap before 691 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: fregency comes. So that's a lot of work. And that's 692 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,839 Speaker 1: what I think they're trying to figure out right now. 693 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 1: John the sixty four million dollar question, you know it, 694 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask it. I'm gonna try and ask it 695 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: in a way that's a little different as opposed to, well, 696 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: what do you think about Daniel Jones? That's the way 697 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: I was going to ask it, But go ahead, Can 698 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 1: it work? And if it can? How? Yeah? I think 699 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: it can. I actually think if you put the right 700 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,280 Speaker 1: pieces around Daniel Jones, he can be a winning quarterback 701 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: in this league. Now, is he going to be a 702 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: quarterback that's gonna improve to the point where he's in 703 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: the category with a you know, Aaron Rodgers or Patrick 704 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: Mahomes or Josh Allen. No, but Canny be in a 705 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: category with Ryan Tannehill and Kirk Cousins and like that 706 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: group of quarterbacks. Yeah, I think he can if you 707 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: put the right pieces around him. Now, the question is, 708 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: and when you have to decide whether or not to 709 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: pay a quarterback long term, the question you're ask yourself, well, 710 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: can he elevate into that next group, into the Staffords, 711 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,280 Speaker 1: the Dak Prescotts, the Russell Will you know, Kyler Murray's 712 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: kind of that group. So I don't know about that yet. 713 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: I don't think I've seen enough to convince myself he 714 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 1: can be that guy. But if you look at the 715 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: last couple of years, the stuff that's been around Daniel 716 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: has really put him back a little bit, whether it's 717 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 1: the offensive line He's now had Pat Shermer, Jason Garrett, 718 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 1: and Freddy Kitchens's offensive coordinators and play callers over his 719 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: first three years in the league. To quote John Mayer, 720 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 1: the owner, and he spoke after Joe Shane's press conference, 721 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 1: we've done everything possible to screw this kid up. That's 722 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: from the owner of the team. So they think if 723 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: they can put enough pieces around him, and last year 724 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: the receiving corps Strong Shephard got hurt, Kadarius Tony got hurt, 725 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,439 Speaker 1: Kenny Gollady got hurt, Sakon Barkley got hurt, Evan Ingram 726 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: got hurt. They missed. They missed over thirty games compon 727 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: between those five guys. So I think if you do 728 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: put the right pieces around, then he can be good. 729 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: The question is how good. They have to make a 730 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 1: decision on the fifth year option on him on May second. 731 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: That's an over twenty million dollar decision. It's a big one. 732 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 1: I think the thought is, you let him play out 733 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: the year. If he turns out to be really good, 734 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: you can always franchise him and work that way. So 735 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 1: we'll see. They're gonna be patient with that decision. As 736 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,879 Speaker 1: they mentioned, they have salary cap issues, so that's kind 737 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: of where they are. So yes, it can work. But 738 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: to the extent of it working, I think, is what 739 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: we're still trying to figure out. John Schmelka, Giants dot 740 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 1: Com joining us on Texans Radio. All right, New York Landscape. 741 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,439 Speaker 1: The Giants are the premier NFL team over the Jets. 742 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: The Jets aren't listening, so I can say this. Obviously, 743 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: they're right next to us over there. Be careful. I 744 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,359 Speaker 1: don't want to get shifted in the back. Those are 745 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: those are good guys, Yeah they are. But how how 746 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,359 Speaker 1: are things going with the fans? I mean, you have 747 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,320 Speaker 1: the Yankees, you have the Necks, you have the Giants, Jets, 748 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 1: you have what is it nine professional sports? It's a 749 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: lot including MLS. Yeah, you have three hockey teams, two basketball, 750 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,280 Speaker 1: two baseball, and then the football teams. Obviously, and obviously 751 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: the Bills are a New York team, but it's not 752 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 1: New York City, so you shouldn't you shouldn't. So the 753 00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: Metropolitan area Giant fans are upset. Um, it's been really rough. 754 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,839 Speaker 1: There's been one playoff appearance since they won the Super 755 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: Bowl in twenty eleven. There's two part of me winning seasons. 756 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: Since they won the super Bowl in twenty eleven, they've 757 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,399 Speaker 1: made the playoffs once in twenty sixteen. It's been bad. 758 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 1: I think if you look at over the last four seasons, 759 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 1: the Giants either have the worst or tied for the 760 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,280 Speaker 1: worst record in the NFL. So it's been bad. Fans 761 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 1: are impatient, but I do think hope is a very 762 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 1: valuable currency in New York. Sure, fans are willing to 763 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: an extent to accept a level of losing if they 764 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: see a cogent plan and legitimate future as to what's 765 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 1: coming next. So I think how you go about this 766 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: is just as important as the immediate results, because I 767 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: do think will look. There are always some portions of 768 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: the fan base that have no patience and thing's gonna 769 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: be mad no matter what. You can't worry about them 770 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: because it can't win. But I think there's a big 771 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: enough portion of the fan base where if they see 772 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: a plan and progress, even if it's a small step 773 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 1: back to take a larger step forward in two or 774 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,919 Speaker 1: three years, I think they are willing to accept that. John, 775 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 1: you mentioned five guys. You're talking offense, so you're talking 776 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: about goal that you're talking about Tony Sequon Barkley. Of 777 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 1: those guys, God, he signs a big contracts. I'm assuming 778 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 1: he's there. He has to pay. Yes, Sis is on 779 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: his rookie contract, second year ye Ingraham Barkley. There's been 780 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 1: some questions about whether those two guys come back. What 781 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 1: is looking into the John's crystal ball? What do you 782 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 1: think this season and where those guys are gonna play? 783 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: Are they gonna be in New York. Are they're gonna 784 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 1: be somewhere else? Yeah? And Starling Shepard you can put 785 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 1: in that category too. He popped as achilles um in 786 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 1: December and they're trying to save cap space. So that's 787 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: somebody that some people think could be a cap casualty. 788 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if they're gonna want to do that. 789 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: He's they've already signed to a second contract. They like him. 790 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: He's a great dude. We love Stroling. He's a good 791 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: football player. So after guys suffers that injury, do you 792 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: want to just let him go? That's a that's a 793 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: big organizational decision. I don't know how they're gonna view that. 794 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 1: Evaningham is a free agent. Um. I think it's fair 795 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: to say his numbers in production haven't been what you 796 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,399 Speaker 1: thought it would be. Being a first round tie end, 797 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 1: I think a lot of that, much like with Daniel's 798 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: a situation they put him in. But I think given 799 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: the cap situation, unless they can get him in a 800 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 1: bargain deal, I think that would be difficult. Saquon Barkley's 801 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,760 Speaker 1: kind of the big question, right, That's the big question 802 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: that was asked to Joe Shane and to Brian Dable, 803 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: he's on the last year of his rookie contract. So 804 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 1: the question they're going to have to ask themselves is 805 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 1: how do you get the most valuable assets out of 806 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,720 Speaker 1: the player. Is it him trying to have a bounce 807 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 1: back year and helping Daniel to figure out your franchise 808 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: quarterback situation on the field this year, or is it 809 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: trading him, which frankly would be at his all time 810 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: lowest value coming off two injury plague seasons where you're 811 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 1: getting what a Day three pick, a fourth round right? 812 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 1: Do you want to do that? Or but again, what 813 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: if he plays great and then he's a free agent 814 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:49,280 Speaker 1: next year? What's this organizational philosophy from Joe Shane about 815 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: signing or running back to a second contract. You know, 816 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: some teams just won't do that period. I don't know 817 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,879 Speaker 1: how Joe Shane thinks about that. So then do you 818 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: think about franchising and trading him or do you just 819 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: let him go and get a compensatory pick. So if 820 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: that's the calculation they're gonna have to make. His money's guaranteed, 821 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,359 Speaker 1: So it's seven eight million dollars you can save by 822 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: moving him. Is that worth not? Having him on the 823 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: roster this year when you're trying to figure out your quarterback. 824 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: So that's the calculation. I see both sides of the argument. 825 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:15,919 Speaker 1: I think it's a really tough decision, to be honest 826 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 1: with you, John Shabal, Giants dot Com joining us Eli Manning. 827 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,319 Speaker 1: What's the relationship between him and New York? Now, Oh, 828 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: they love him. I mean he is an office in 829 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: our building. Okay, it's it's like, it's funny the Giants 830 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: brought him back. Is kind of in a business and 831 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 1: ambassador type of role. And when he first got there, 832 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 1: I'm like walking by where his offices, He's like trying 833 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 1: to set up his voicemail. I thought I was in 834 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: like the bizarre world, like what's going on here? Um? Now? 835 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: But he does the Eli Manning Show with us, which 836 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,720 Speaker 1: is on our YouTube channel. He's had like Kevin Durant 837 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: on this year or Kevin Hard It's kind of like 838 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: a talk show host, variety show type deal. It's kind 839 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: of one of those fun things. So yeah, look, you 840 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,839 Speaker 1: York loves him, man. I mean, you know, he's one 841 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 1: of the few guys that have brought championships to New 842 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 1: York recently. You mentioned New York sports scene. I mean 843 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: it's been bad. I mean the Yankees last one in 844 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 1: twenty two thousand and nine, and there hasn't been anything 845 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,799 Speaker 1: since the Giants in twenty eleven, so it's been it's 846 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: been a bit since since the New York team has won. 847 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 1: So ELI is always going to have that recognition and 848 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 1: that love. John Schmelt from Giants dot Com very interesting guy. 849 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 1: And you'll hear more of these interviews on our podcasts. 850 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 1: On the Texans app tomorrow night, Mike Keith Tennessee Titans, 851 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,359 Speaker 1: Matt Taylor of the Indianapolis Colts. We got a lot 852 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,399 Speaker 1: of other stuff going on. We'll have the general out 853 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 1: as well, and who knows who else shows up. It's 854 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 1: all happening here. Thanks for listening. It's Texans Radio. Go Texans.