WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: I Go Back

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, get Everyboddy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Dan Board and thanks for downloading The Bengals Booth Podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>the I Go Back Edition as I take an in

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<v Speaker 2>depth look back at the highs and lows of the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty three season with my buddy Jeffhobson from Bengals

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<v Speaker 2>dot Com. But first I'll talk to a player who

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<v Speaker 2>finished a disappointing year on a very positive note, Joseph Osai.

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<v Speaker 2>In the Bengals season ending win over Cleveland, one of

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<v Speaker 2>their highest graded players was Joseph Osai, who had a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of quarterback hits, including one where he made contact

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<v Speaker 2>with Jeff Driscoll's arm leading to an easy interception for

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<v Speaker 2>Logan Wilson. Osai played twenty six snaps in the game,

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<v Speaker 2>his second highest total of the season in a year

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<v Speaker 2>where he was only on the field for sixteen percent

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<v Speaker 2>of the Bengals defensive plays. Prior to the Cleveland game,

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<v Speaker 2>defensive coordinator lou An Aroumo was asked if he wished

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<v Speaker 2>that Osai was further along in his development.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he would answer the question just like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to and I don't want to speak for him,

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<v Speaker 3>but yeah, I mean, I think again, it's all of us,

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<v Speaker 3>but yeah, I think Joe would want to have a

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<v Speaker 3>bigger role, of bigger impact and all of that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm just hoping for him.

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<v Speaker 3>He can come into the offseason without an injury and

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<v Speaker 3>he can train, and you know, we can see a

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<v Speaker 3>better Joseph Osaia going forward. His walk to his effort

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<v Speaker 3>has been tremendous. It's just amount of going out there

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<v Speaker 3>and doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph missed his entire rookie year due to injury, then

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<v Speaker 2>flashed at times last year, leading to the hope that

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<v Speaker 2>he would be a valuable pass rusher this season, But

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<v Speaker 2>after having shoulder surgery in the off season, he hurt

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<v Speaker 2>his ankle in the final preseason game and finished the

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<v Speaker 2>year with just one sack. I talked to him about

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<v Speaker 2>it this week. I thought you finished the season on

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<v Speaker 2>a really positive note. How did you feel about the finale?

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<v Speaker 2>Felt great.

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<v Speaker 4>It just felt great to be fine, be able to

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<v Speaker 4>impact the game in a positive way. So, yeah, looking

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<v Speaker 4>forward to being healthy, staying healthy, and everything's a lesson

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<v Speaker 4>and it's all for a purpose. And I got to

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<v Speaker 4>go back to work, that's all.

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<v Speaker 2>Coach, and Romo was raving about your work ethic, how

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<v Speaker 2>hard you're trying to be what I think we all

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<v Speaker 2>know you're capable of being. I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 2>heard those comments or saw those comments, but clearly the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that you didn't have a big season this year

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<v Speaker 2>was not a matter of effort.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I didn't see those comments, and I appreciate him

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<v Speaker 4>for those commerce. You know, he's a he's a great coacher,

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<v Speaker 4>great guy. But yeah, you know that's unfortunately that's ball.

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<v Speaker 4>You gotta you gotta get on the field to able

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<v Speaker 4>to do anything in the first place. And but you know,

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<v Speaker 4>everybody's story is different now that everybody comes on the

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<v Speaker 4>scene and is the guy didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to be at first.

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<v Speaker 4>But you hear stories about guys who work in the

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<v Speaker 4>shadows till year six, year seven, and then they become

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<v Speaker 4>the stars they want to be. They're able to impact

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<v Speaker 4>games and be be a dominant for it. So you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's just it's it's always work, you know. I That's

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<v Speaker 4>all I. I don't know any different. So it's always

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<v Speaker 4>gonna be work, and we'll hope for the best.

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<v Speaker 2>Guy Will what do you think your offseason looks like?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, it's I've been spoiled. I've been spoiled with h

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<v Speaker 4>My rookieyear went to the Super Bowl. Last year, we

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<v Speaker 4>went to the NMC Championship. So now I don't even

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<v Speaker 4>know what to do. I don't know how I should

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<v Speaker 4>schedule my time, where how long I should take off,

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<v Speaker 4>or what do I should do during his time right

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<v Speaker 4>now cause we're usually in the playoffs. But I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 4>spend a lot of time with the fan. That's what's

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<v Speaker 4>important to me right now. So spend time with the fam,

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<v Speaker 4>stay in shape, workout, and you know, my first off

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<v Speaker 4>season without having to have a surgery, so that's also

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<v Speaker 4>a blessing. We thank God for that and just go

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<v Speaker 4>from there.

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<v Speaker 2>Trey had a mindster season. Mark your position. Did you

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<v Speaker 2>learn anything from watching him? Have seventeen and a half sab.

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<v Speaker 4>Solutely taking what he had and using it at practice,

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<v Speaker 4>not just trying to bring it out it during game days.

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<v Speaker 4>But like I said, the process he's his process is

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<v Speaker 4>so unique and his mentality also his confidence in himself,

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<v Speaker 4>And in a way it helped me bring me It

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<v Speaker 4>helped bring me close to God too, because he's such

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<v Speaker 4>a huge believer in God and he's a great guy.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, it was it was great to this is

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<v Speaker 4>my understudy year, so to speak, working under him and

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<v Speaker 4>learning from him and and getting to observe him. Just

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<v Speaker 4>be a master of what he does. And if you

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<v Speaker 4>don't think he's a master of what he does, you're

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<v Speaker 4>you're you're mistaken. For sure. He's unstoppable, completely unstoppable.

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<v Speaker 2>He's so maniacally focused. Almost anytime I came in here

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<v Speaker 2>in the off season, he was here, and it's just

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<v Speaker 2>his one track mind to be great at what he does.

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<v Speaker 2>Really is striking.

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<v Speaker 4>If you're from the outside looking in, you can you

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<v Speaker 4>would call it crazy, you would call it you would,

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<v Speaker 4>you would, you would say a lot of things about it.

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<v Speaker 4>But he he is dedicated to his craft and he's

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<v Speaker 4>dedicated to his God, and those two things when you

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<v Speaker 4>put them together, you get greatness. I can bet on

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<v Speaker 4>it right now. He's gonna be one of the goods,

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<v Speaker 4>and I can't wait to see it happen. He was.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a huge mention to me this year because this

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<v Speaker 4>confidence in myself still even though I haven't gotten a

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<v Speaker 4>chance to prove it, is confidence of myself too that

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<v Speaker 4>I also will be great. He was a huge, huge, huge,

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<v Speaker 4>huge health for me this year. He doesn't even know it,

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<v Speaker 4>but yeah, So this confidence in myself that I'm going

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<v Speaker 4>to be great, and I just have to get the

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<v Speaker 4>opportunity and not take, not take lightly the opportunity at all.

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<v Speaker 4>Whatever however it comes, whatever it looks like, never take it,

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<v Speaker 4>never take it for granted, never take it lightly, and

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<v Speaker 4>then go dominate what it's worth.

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<v Speaker 2>Trey Hendrickson had a total of six and a half

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<v Speaker 2>sacks in his first three seasons, then broke out in

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<v Speaker 2>year four with thirteen and a half, and that's roughly

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<v Speaker 2>what Trey has averaged over the last four seasons. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>hoping that Joseph Osai also has a breakout season in

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<v Speaker 2>year four. The Bengals Booth podcast is brought to you

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<v Speaker 2>Now time for a comprehensive look back at the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three season. It was a winning year at nine

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<v Speaker 2>to eight, but one that fell short of the Bengals

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<v Speaker 2>Super Bowl aspirations. I discussed it with Bengals dot Com

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<v Speaker 2>editor Jeff Butch Hobson. It is the second week of

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<v Speaker 2>January and for the first time in three years, we

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<v Speaker 2>are not looking ahead to a playoff game unfortunately. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm with Jeff Hobson and we are looking back and

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<v Speaker 2>a nine and eight season. We are going to tackle

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<v Speaker 2>several topics on this podcast, some serious, some just for fun.

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<v Speaker 2>We begin with this some up the season in a sentence.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really good until July twenty eighth, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>when the ducked and then an ellipses there and they

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<v Speaker 1>hit it, which was too bad because, as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>July twenty eighth, and I think that's the right date

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<v Speaker 1>was The second practice was a second practice a training camp,

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<v Speaker 1>and Joe Burrow had a strained calf, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's just this is this is the year of the

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<v Speaker 1>strained calf. It's the year of the torn ligament in

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<v Speaker 1>the wrist. I mean, that's just no two ways about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, and from that afternoon on from training camp,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it was kind of a cloud over the season

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<v Speaker 1>and what if.

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<v Speaker 2>So that first practice was awesome, unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>It was. It was. It was a fifteen to two practice.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, are you ready for my sentence? Yes, please,

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<v Speaker 2>we interrupt this program. That's my sentence for the season.

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<v Speaker 2>Because when anybody asked me about the Bengals chances prior

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<v Speaker 2>to the season, my answer was always, I think they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to the super Bowl if Joe Burrow stays healthy,

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<v Speaker 2>and unfortunately he did not. But to me, it's an interruption,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not an ending. We saw the five game stretch

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<v Speaker 2>where they were great. They were four and one, They

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<v Speaker 2>could have easily been five and zero if Tyler Boyd

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<v Speaker 2>didn't drop that pass late in the Houston game. They

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<v Speaker 2>beat San Francisco by fourteen, They beat Buffalo by six

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<v Speaker 2>and led by fourteen late in that game and when

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<v Speaker 2>Joe threw his final pass of the year, they had

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<v Speaker 2>the lead in the second quarter at Baltimore. So to me,

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<v Speaker 2>we interrupt this program the Bengals as we think of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully we'll be back in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was Unfortunately, it was a big interruption. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't It wasn't Walter Cronkite coming in on as

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<v Speaker 1>the World turns, but it was, you know, it was

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's who they are. I believe that that's

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<v Speaker 1>who they are. They're that four and one team. Now

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<v Speaker 1>does that mean they're going to go fifteen and two

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<v Speaker 1>or fourteen and three? I mean, well, fourteen and three,

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen and four. That's the kind of team they were

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<v Speaker 1>kind of evolving to, I think, and you know, granted

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of questions in the off season and who

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<v Speaker 1>comes back and who doesn't. But the DNA is still there,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's you know, the big thing of Courses Burrow

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<v Speaker 1>if he's healthy and I you know, it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a hard season that kind of wrapping around because

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<v Speaker 1>there were the ebbs and flows. It was it seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like there were like four different seasons. It was continued.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't even taught we haven't even mentioned the name

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<v Speaker 1>Jake Browning, you know who was started the last seven

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<v Speaker 1>games of the year. But even before Jake get in there,

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<v Speaker 1>there there was the strained calf, there was the struggles

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<v Speaker 1>in September, then there was that great run and then

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<v Speaker 1>he get hurt, and so it was like there was

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<v Speaker 1>like four or five different seasons. It felt like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you were covering four different seasons. It was hopefully we

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<v Speaker 1>won't have another year like it, because we've had about

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<v Speaker 1>five in about eleven months.

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<v Speaker 2>I suspect we will get to the name Jake Browning

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<v Speaker 2>and our second topic, which is what was the silver

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<v Speaker 2>lining and a disappointing year?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's it. I mean that is look at

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<v Speaker 1>if we were having a beer on July fourth and

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<v Speaker 1>I laid out all the things and they're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>uh six Harrison bucker Field goals away from going to

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<v Speaker 1>the playoffs, what you would have thought I'd had one

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<v Speaker 1>too many, you know, to me, that is the silver lining.

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<v Speaker 1>They survived with a backup quarterback all the way to

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<v Speaker 1>the end, which shows you the roster, and they there

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<v Speaker 1>were people talking and now it seems so long ago.

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<v Speaker 1>But going into that, this training camp and people talking

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, this may be the best roster you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we've had in this in this century, certainly in the

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<v Speaker 1>last fifteen years maybe, And I think they were proven

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<v Speaker 1>correct because they went nine to eight without you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and you forget you had you didn't have t Higgins

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<v Speaker 1>for four games, and you know, didn't have the big

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<v Speaker 1>man for seven and look at how close. Shit, look

0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:53.839
<v Speaker 1>at how close she came. That's coaching and that's and

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<v Speaker 1>that's roster and that's that's that's a silver line. That's

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<v Speaker 1>two silver linings.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally agree. Jake Browning is the silver lining. We have

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<v Speaker 2>eliminated a very important question, and that is who is

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<v Speaker 2>the backup quarterback. We didn't know it going into the year.

0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.240
<v Speaker 2>Is it Browning? Is it Trevor Simeon? Do they have

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<v Speaker 2>to go get somebody else? They did Will Greer. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we still didn't know really until Joe Burrow went down.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we do.

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<v Speaker 2>Jake Browning had a passer rating of ninety eight point four,

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<v Speaker 2>That is tied for fifth best in franchise history in

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<v Speaker 2>a single season. That was Kenny Anderson's passer rating in

0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:32.360
<v Speaker 2>his MVP season. He was great, so were Zach Brian

0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Dan Pitcher during the time that Joe was out, as

0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:39.559
<v Speaker 2>they suited the offense to his strengths. And now we'll

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<v Speaker 2>see if some of those elements will be incorporated more

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<v Speaker 2>next year. Zach says, we were starting to do those

0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.800
<v Speaker 2>things anyway, and we would have if you know, if

0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Joe didn't hurt his calf in training camp. Well, we'll see,

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<v Speaker 2>but I would like to think that there will be

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<v Speaker 2>more under center run, more screen game things that make

0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:00.880
<v Speaker 2>it more offensive line friendly. I think not only was

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<v Speaker 2>the offense Jake Browning friendly, I think it was offensive

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<v Speaker 2>line friendly, which would be good for that group.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, again, I guess I guess the question is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, how much do you want to expose Burrow

0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:15.040
<v Speaker 1>on those naked bootlegs because Jake was so good at those.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would think Burrow would be outstanding at those.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess as long as you knew he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't going to take a shot, how do you how

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<v Speaker 1>do you know? But I mean, you know, Zach talked

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<v Speaker 1>about balance. I think that's probably the one thing about

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<v Speaker 1>this offseason, and I know you asked us about it

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<v Speaker 1>about the press. Uh to him at the press conference about, uh,

0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:37.680
<v Speaker 1>you know regimen. Now that they're a month. You know,

0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:40.880
<v Speaker 1>these last two years they went into you know into

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<v Speaker 1>basically February, and one year they went into mid February.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that changes, and now that actually is probably a

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<v Speaker 1>positive because you know they'll be able to rest and

0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:53.840
<v Speaker 1>so balance, it's balanced. It's it's it's getting your players

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<v Speaker 1>to the gate, but they getting them ready for the opener.

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<v Speaker 1>It's balance run pass, you know under center, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's something that they talked about. I think then that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's something I think they'll they'll strive to. That's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be the off season theme, I think is balanced.

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<v Speaker 2>What was the biggest disappointment to me?

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<v Speaker 1>It had to be the defense. I thought, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they were so good down the stretch last year in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two, in that ten game winning streak. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean they were they were the spine of that of

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<v Speaker 1>that I mean, as good as Joe was, the defense

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<v Speaker 1>was the spine of that run. And you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>they turned this thing around from twenty twenty to twenty

0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.200
<v Speaker 1>twenty one, they did it with the run game. They

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<v Speaker 1>were there was what you have to do in the

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<v Speaker 1>AFC North, and they were so good against the run,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were not good against the run. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>that was that was the disappointing thing. And I know

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna ask me about the biggest mystery. You can

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<v Speaker 1>probably it's probably the same thing. It's because they were

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<v Speaker 1>so good last year. They basically had the same same

0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.440
<v Speaker 1>people accepted safety, and I guess we have to take

0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:56.520
<v Speaker 1>a look at the safety position. It's maybe a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more important than perhaps people thought. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I would expect that, Diyll. That's another silver lining. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't imagine them having another season like this again once

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<v Speaker 1>Luke gets into the laboratory and straights it out.

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<v Speaker 2>My biggest disappointment is one in five in the AFC

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<v Speaker 2>North and the only win was against the Cleveland team,

0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:21.360
<v Speaker 2>basically resting everybody. Now, in fairness, the Bengals did not

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<v Speaker 2>have a healthy Joe Burrow for any of those games,

0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:26.480
<v Speaker 2>at least for four quarters. He was healthy for about

0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:29.440
<v Speaker 2>a quarter and a third at Baltimore, but that was it,

0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:32.640
<v Speaker 2>and that's a huge factor. But Joe did not play defense,

0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:36.200
<v Speaker 2>and this team was especially bad on defense in those

0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:39.720
<v Speaker 2>AFC North games. Thirty four points allowed at Baltimore, thirty

0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:43.240
<v Speaker 2>four allowed at Pittsburgh. With Mason Rudolph at quarterback. They

0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:46.840
<v Speaker 2>made Kenny Pickett to Pat Fryarmouth look like Mahomes to

0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Kelsey and the rushing yards allowed in those AFC North

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<v Speaker 2>games scary two to six against Cleveland one seventy eight

0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:57.960
<v Speaker 2>and week two against Baltimore one fifty three at home

0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:00.520
<v Speaker 2>against the Steelers. If you cannot stop the run in

0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:05.400
<v Speaker 2>this division against Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Cleveland, you are doomed.

0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Remember the last game here in twenty twenty when I

0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:12.800
<v Speaker 1>think Baltimore rushed for maybe four hundred yards, but they

0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:15.439
<v Speaker 1>didn't have you know, they had a skeleton crew there.

0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:18.159
<v Speaker 1>DJ Reader was out and they were playing with guys

0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.480
<v Speaker 1>that they had just picked up during the year. So

0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:22.720
<v Speaker 1>it's a different deal. But I think it's the same

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<v Speaker 1>sentiment going into the going into the offseason that that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to get fixed. And it would seem to me,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like I said, it's the same guys that

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<v Speaker 1>were the spine of that playoff run in twenty twenty two.

0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.679
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I think the hope is the safety's

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<v Speaker 1>Dax Hille Jordan Battle two, first year guy basically two

0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:46.119
<v Speaker 1>first year starters that they're going to be better in

0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:49.160
<v Speaker 1>year two. I think that's the you know, certainly, daxas

0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:52.280
<v Speaker 1>all the athleticism that you could want. He's a first

0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:55.240
<v Speaker 1>round pick. He's legitimate first round pick. Jordan Battle, I

0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:57.639
<v Speaker 1>think is everything they thought he was when they you know,

0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Darren Simmons when they interviewed in the eighteen minutes in Indy.

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<v Speaker 1>He started his name because he was so good and

0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:06.560
<v Speaker 1>he was great after the game about his interception, his

0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:09.159
<v Speaker 1>first interception in the finale here Sunday, he broke it

0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:12.639
<v Speaker 1>down and everything is he Von Bell? You know do

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<v Speaker 1>we have I think they've got you got guys, Dax Hill.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's going through what Jesse Bates did. I

0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:24.080
<v Speaker 1>think Battle could you know, Battle could be Von Bell?

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<v Speaker 1>Like maybe not maybe maybe doesn't have, you know, quite

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<v Speaker 1>the blue chip talent of a Bell. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>he certainly is a locker room guy and knowledge. He's

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<v Speaker 1>certainly headed there. It's just in the NFL, they don't

0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:38.600
<v Speaker 1>wait around for these guys, you know what I mean,

0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:40.240
<v Speaker 1>They don't wait around. You got to do it now.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think you know they I guess they paid,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they paid a little bit of a price.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think what's the alternative in this day and

0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:50.080
<v Speaker 1>age when you've signed Joe Burrow to a big contract,

0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:52.639
<v Speaker 1>you can't go out and get a pay Jesse Bates

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<v Speaker 1>and Von Bell. You just you just can't. You can't

0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:57.600
<v Speaker 1>do it. You know, you gotta You're gonna you gotta

0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:00.320
<v Speaker 1>rely on these young guys to come along. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think they're two good young guys. You just got to

0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:05.760
<v Speaker 1>hope that they that they're gonna they're gonna take that leap.

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<v Speaker 2>You teased our next topic, what was the biggest mystery

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty three?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably the probably the defense, I guess probably, I mean

0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:22.680
<v Speaker 1>because stopping the run specifically that and I think the

0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:25.680
<v Speaker 1>big plays because they never with with Lou. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Lou was always good about that. You know, we got

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<v Speaker 1>to get to stop the explosives, you know, And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's the thing that probably upset me, maybe even

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<v Speaker 1>more than not being able to stop it or I

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<v Speaker 1>think if you talk to Lou, that's that's the thing

0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:38.879
<v Speaker 1>that really upset him, was those explosives. And I know

0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:42.639
<v Speaker 1>Nick Scott talked about this, uh, he talked about the

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<v Speaker 1>explosives after the season and he you know, what stuck

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<v Speaker 1>with him was was the Houston game, and that really

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<v Speaker 1>might have been the turning point in a way. The

0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:55.080
<v Speaker 1>turning point was obviously when Burrow get hurt, but the

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<v Speaker 1>fact the offense played terrific, you know, and the offense

0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:02.720
<v Speaker 1>and the defense just didn't you know, just couldn't didn't

0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:04.760
<v Speaker 1>have that one stop and kept and gave up eight

0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:08.080
<v Speaker 1>plays of twenty yards. That was That was really the

0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:10.760
<v Speaker 1>stunning thing, how they just kept getting the ball thrown

0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.679
<v Speaker 1>over them, you know, I mean, uh, that was uh

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<v Speaker 1>and I and I know Lou's gonna get that fixed.

0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:17.920
<v Speaker 1>And I think I do think you can probably chuck

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<v Speaker 1>that up to some of the inexperience back there, because

0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:22.440
<v Speaker 1>not only Dax and Jordan, but you had a rookie

0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:24.480
<v Speaker 1>corner and DJ Journal who had to play a lot,

0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:27.159
<v Speaker 1>which I think is kind of a silver lining too.

0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:30.439
<v Speaker 1>I know DJ had his uh had his ups and downs,

0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:32.720
<v Speaker 1>but he got a lot of snaps in and I

0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:34.320
<v Speaker 1>think he showed that he's going to be a very

0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:38.320
<v Speaker 1>good NFL corner and uh, you know, with a woozy

0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:40.240
<v Speaker 1>ab and a free agent, you know, I think he's

0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:42.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, they need him to come on and the

0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:44.400
<v Speaker 1>fact that he played so many snaps. I think that's

0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:46.680
<v Speaker 1>a silver lining too, But you know he was living

0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:50.399
<v Speaker 1>and learning to back there. So uh yeah, I just

0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:54.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, right right right down to the end against

0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:57.480
<v Speaker 1>Kansas City with those you know, because if you remember

0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:00.640
<v Speaker 1>when they were in the two games they wont no, well,

0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:03.280
<v Speaker 1>in the games they've beaten Kansas City, they stayed away

0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:04.720
<v Speaker 1>from that. When they had it was great, you know

0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:07.679
<v Speaker 1>those you know, with Hill and Kelsey and everything, they

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<v Speaker 1>would shut that down. It didn't happen this last time

0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:13.840
<v Speaker 1>on Kansas City. And if it did, it might be

0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:15.879
<v Speaker 1>in the playoffs. If they didn't, if they're about two

0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:18.240
<v Speaker 1>or three big plays away for being in the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 2>That was definitely a mystery. I'll give you another one.

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<v Speaker 2>Why can't the Bengals run for a yard on third

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<v Speaker 2>and one and fourth and one? If you had to

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<v Speaker 2>guess what the typical team does when they run on

0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:36.240
<v Speaker 2>third and one or fourth and one. I don't have

0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:38.639
<v Speaker 2>a league wide average, but I can give you the

0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:42.280
<v Speaker 2>numbers in the AFC. North Baltimore on third and one

0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:45.760
<v Speaker 2>successful seventy six percent of the time, fourth and one

0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:48.080
<v Speaker 2>eighty three percent of the time. Now, these are just

0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:51.840
<v Speaker 2>runs Pittsburgh third and third and one seventy three percent

0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:54.360
<v Speaker 2>of the time, fourth down eighty eight percent of the time,

0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:57.840
<v Speaker 2>the Browns third down and one seventy one percent of

0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:00.440
<v Speaker 2>the time, fourth and one eighty one percent of the time.

0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Here are the Bengals numbers on third and one and

0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:05.800
<v Speaker 2>fourth and one this year, third and one when they

0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:10.159
<v Speaker 2>ran successful fifty nine percent of the time. When they

0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:14.080
<v Speaker 2>ran on fourth and one sixty percent of the time,

0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:19.480
<v Speaker 2>so fifteen percent lower than their division rivals on third

0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:23.280
<v Speaker 2>and one, twenty to thirty percent lower than their division

0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:27.240
<v Speaker 2>rivals on fourth and one. Why was that the case? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>there are probably a lot of reasons, but I'll say this,

0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:33.000
<v Speaker 2>the coaches are much smarter than I am about this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But how about a fullback? How about taking Sam Hubbard

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<v Speaker 2>like he used to and lining him up at fullback

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<v Speaker 2>or domatop echo back in the day. Could we try

0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:44.400
<v Speaker 2>something like that on third and one or fourth and one.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you know you can't criticize that then for

0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:50.080
<v Speaker 1>not running in on third and one and fourth and

0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:52.919
<v Speaker 1>one because because the numbers are because the numbers are

0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:55.800
<v Speaker 1>with them, I guess so. And uh, And the Zachs

0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:57.439
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what though, and I and those are

0:22:57.520 --> 0:22:59.760
<v Speaker 1>interesting numbers in the AFC North. I think that is more.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that speaks more to the town, the AC

0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:05.600
<v Speaker 1>North because I look at these other games and of

0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:08.200
<v Speaker 1>course it's just a guy watching TV. I I you know,

0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:12.000
<v Speaker 1>but a lot of teams have prouble, trouble it seems

0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:14.560
<v Speaker 1>like on the short yard stuff. And it's amazing because

0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:17.399
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's only a yard, but it's uh, you know,

0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:21.320
<v Speaker 1>I saw there have been Pittsburgh almost lost the game

0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:23.200
<v Speaker 1>or almost had a chance of losing the game because

0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:25.600
<v Speaker 1>they couldn't convert because they looked like they were a

0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:30.480
<v Speaker 1>little confused. But you know, I think it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it comes down to does it come down

0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:37.160
<v Speaker 1>you know? I think these guys are you hear the criticism, well,

0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:40.240
<v Speaker 1>the offensive line they're past protectors because we're because the

0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:42.359
<v Speaker 1>Bengals are a past first team, and o't buy that.

0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:45.400
<v Speaker 1>They're tough guys. They're physical guys. They can move people.

0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:48.000
<v Speaker 1>We've seen it move people in the running game. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't know, I think it's a uh,

0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:54.120
<v Speaker 1>I think it's I think it's a That's why it's

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<v Speaker 1>a mystery.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Philly, by the way, on fourth and one with

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<v Speaker 2>the brotherly shove uns successful.

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<v Speaker 1>How many injuries?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good question.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate that thing because it just looks like a

0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:11.800
<v Speaker 1>football version of a something you see on seventy four

0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:16.399
<v Speaker 1>that is on on I seventy four. It just, you know,

0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:18.720
<v Speaker 1>it looks like a lot of rubber Yeah, just a

0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:21.320
<v Speaker 1>lot of rubbernecking. You know, it just doesn't look good.

0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:23.280
<v Speaker 1>But I you know, but ninety two percent is ninety

0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:26.520
<v Speaker 1>two percent. Might be it might be driving Jason Kelsey

0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:27.439
<v Speaker 1>in the retirement though.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's move on your favorite moment of twenty

0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:31.720
<v Speaker 2>twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Tyler Boyd's catching overtime in the Vikings game.

0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:40.240
<v Speaker 1>That was that was unbelievable, one of the greatest catches

0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:42.280
<v Speaker 1>I've ever seen in just a crunch time with the

0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:43.600
<v Speaker 1>playoffs on the line.

0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:45.720
<v Speaker 2>And maybe the second best catch in that game because

0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:46.399
<v Speaker 2>of T Higgins.

0:24:47.600 --> 0:24:49.640
<v Speaker 1>But I think my favorite moment is when it still

0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:52.600
<v Speaker 1>involves Tyler Boyd. I love Tyler Boyd because he's always

0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:55.920
<v Speaker 1>got great moments, you know. But when Jake Browning came over,

0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:57.680
<v Speaker 1>it was an off Okay, if it's an off the

0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:02.159
<v Speaker 1>field moment when everybody's around Tyler Boyd, who you know

0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:04.840
<v Speaker 1>may have played his last game for the Bengals in

0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:08.119
<v Speaker 1>a great career, and Browning, Jake Browning came over and

0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:10.200
<v Speaker 1>patted him on the shoulder and made it a point

0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:13.119
<v Speaker 1>to tell the press how important Tyler Boyd was to

0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:16.280
<v Speaker 1>him and to the media. I don't think. I don't.

0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:19.440
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen that probably since the days of Willie Anderson.

0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:22.560
<v Speaker 1>That was great leadership by a guy. And it was

0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:26.440
<v Speaker 1>absolutely what he said was at first of all what

0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:29.720
<v Speaker 1>he said was absolutely true about Tyler, but the fact

0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:31.440
<v Speaker 1>that he would do that, take the time to do it.

0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:34.080
<v Speaker 1>Then he said it again, and he repeated it for

0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:36.520
<v Speaker 1>us in the media because some of us weren't there

0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:39.879
<v Speaker 1>when it happened, but he did it, but he repeated himself,

0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:43.920
<v Speaker 1>and it was a I just thought it was I think,

0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:49.280
<v Speaker 1>other than Joe Wincing when he threw the touchdown pass

0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:54.520
<v Speaker 1>that against Baltimore, the Browning Tyler Boyd wore when I

0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:56.040
<v Speaker 1>think that's take that home.

0:25:56.560 --> 0:26:00.080
<v Speaker 2>That was really good stuff. And I don't remember or

0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:02.919
<v Speaker 2>anything quite like that either. For Jake Browning to interrupt

0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:06.680
<v Speaker 2>a Tyler Boyd session with reporters to basically say hey,

0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:09.000
<v Speaker 2>before he continues, I want to tell you how awesome

0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:10.320
<v Speaker 2>this guy is. That was really cool.

0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:13.359
<v Speaker 1>It was just throwing a Willie Anderson moment when Rudy

0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:16.720
<v Speaker 1>Johnson had a breakout game and this is back in

0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:22.560
<v Speaker 1>I think three maybe, and PJ was saying, Rudy Johnson

0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:24.520
<v Speaker 1>to the interview room. Rudy Johnson in the interview room,

0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:27.919
<v Speaker 1>and Willie Anderson said, wait a minute. He held up

0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:30.080
<v Speaker 1>a finger and said, wait minute, listen to that. Rudy

0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Johnson to the interview room. How about that? This is

0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:35.960
<v Speaker 1>a guy that's paid his dues and he's Willie went

0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:38.160
<v Speaker 1>into a thing on Rudy, which was really good.

0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:41.840
<v Speaker 2>My favorite moment. This one's a little bit selfish, but

0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:45.840
<v Speaker 2>it was the San Francisco win and the entire day

0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:49.480
<v Speaker 2>for me. Because the night before the Bearcats played at

0:26:49.600 --> 0:26:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Oklahoma State Stillwater, Oklahoma. I was scheduled to fly the

0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:58.520
<v Speaker 2>next morning from Oklahoma City, which is about an hour away,

0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:01.000
<v Speaker 2>through Denver to get the same Jose for the game.

0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 2>There was a snowstorm in Denver. I had to change

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:07.160
<v Speaker 2>my plans at the last minute fly through Dallas, got

0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:09.760
<v Speaker 2>like two hours sleep. I was totally panicked I was

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:13.320
<v Speaker 2>going to miss the game and get fired. Thankfully, the

0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:16.800
<v Speaker 2>second arrangement worked out. I got to San Jose hopped

0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:19.560
<v Speaker 2>in an uber, feeling triumphant, and then I think the

0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:23.440
<v Speaker 2>uber driver intentionally left me like miles away because he

0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:26.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to deal with game day traffic. So there

0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:29.160
<v Speaker 2>I am with my suitcase and my you know, my backpack,

0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:33.320
<v Speaker 2>miles from the stadium, schlepping through tailgates and stuff to

0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:33.760
<v Speaker 2>get there.

0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:35.240
<v Speaker 1>But I got to the booth about.

0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Ten minutes before the start of the pregame show. And

0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:40.120
<v Speaker 2>then it was an awesome day. The weather was spectacular,

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:44.159
<v Speaker 2>the Bengals were spectacular. Burrow completed almost ninety percent of

0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:47.359
<v Speaker 2>his passes passer rating over one point thirty. Joe Mixon

0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:49.960
<v Speaker 2>had one hundred and ten combined yards, Chase had ten

0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:52.440
<v Speaker 2>catches in one hundred yards. So it's just a tremendous day.

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:55.639
<v Speaker 2>And thankfully I made it in time. So that was

0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:56.800
<v Speaker 2>my favorite moment of the year.

0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:59.800
<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize it was that. I didn't realize it

0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 1>was that intense. That's ah, they would never fire one

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:05.040
<v Speaker 1>of the great voices in Bengals history.

0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:07.520
<v Speaker 2>I hope I don't give him reason too. No, that

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:08.159
<v Speaker 2>was no.

0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:09.879
<v Speaker 1>I think you had a good year to Hoardy, by

0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:11.560
<v Speaker 1>the way. I think it was, and I know because

0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:13.640
<v Speaker 1>I listened to all the why I'm watching the game,

0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:17.120
<v Speaker 1>I listened to the broadcast. It's ah, it gets harder

0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:19.239
<v Speaker 1>and harder to call these games because the flags are

0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:23.480
<v Speaker 1>dropping and uh things are being replayed and it's not

0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:26.200
<v Speaker 1>it's not as easy to uh, not as easy to

0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 1>call a game as it was once was with Gil

0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Santos and uh the great and the great Uh Vaughan,

0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:36.160
<v Speaker 1>you're your guy in uh Buffy h Van Miller, Van Miller,

0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:39.640
<v Speaker 1>I want to say von Miller, but uh, he's in

0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:41.640
<v Speaker 1>Buffalo too. Yeah. It was a little it was a

0:28:41.640 --> 0:28:43.720
<v Speaker 1>little deep bit easy easier back then, and they were great.

0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:45.240
<v Speaker 1>But it's uh it's hard.

0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:48.600
<v Speaker 2>Now, man, all right, your low point of the season.

0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it had to be, uh, I I I think

0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:56.160
<v Speaker 1>it was probably uh it might have been the Pittsburgh

0:28:56.240 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 1>game here maybe because that seems so winnable. But I

0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 1>think it has to go back to the ball. I

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:03.680
<v Speaker 1>think it just goes back to the Burrough getting hurt.

0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:05.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you got it, and I don't know I

0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:08.720
<v Speaker 1>remember that the training camp day. Did he get hurt.

0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 1>That was that was I don't think I've ever felt

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:14.320
<v Speaker 1>that bad in July since I got a somber And

0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, that wasn't. That wasn't. That wasn't. That wasn't

0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:24.200
<v Speaker 1>a great feeling either. And then and then the Baltimore thing,

0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 1>and then of course the ride, you know, the flight home,

0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:29.200
<v Speaker 1>and it's one of those late night primetime games in

0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:31.880
<v Speaker 1>a row you're a zombie, and then you realize Burrows

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:35.200
<v Speaker 1>out that was you know, I could have I could have.

0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:36.520
<v Speaker 1>I think we all could have done without that.

0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:39.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll be very specific. It's the same thing. But

0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:43.440
<v Speaker 2>it was seeing the replay of Burrow on the sideline

0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:46.280
<v Speaker 2>trying to throw a pass, just a soft toss to

0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:48.920
<v Speaker 2>test his wrist, and he couldn't even do that. You know,

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:52.520
<v Speaker 2>he's in excruciating pain because none of us realized when

0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:55.080
<v Speaker 2>he threw the touchdown pass to Mixing that that was

0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:57.120
<v Speaker 2>it because we were watching the ball, Joe makes the catch,

0:29:57.160 --> 0:29:59.560
<v Speaker 2>he goes into the end zone. We're all fired up. Meanwhile,

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Oburrow's experience this pain. And we later saw that replay

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:07.400
<v Speaker 2>as well. But when we saw that replay of him

0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 2>on the sideline trying to throw and being unable to

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 2>it brought back the words of Jim McKay in Munich.

0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Our worst fears have been realized, and not as serious circumstances, obviously,

0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:22.520
<v Speaker 2>But at that point we probably all thought the season

0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:25.280
<v Speaker 2>was over, and thanks to Jake Browning, it wasn't. They

0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:28.000
<v Speaker 2>got to the next to last game of the regular

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 2>season with a chance. Thanks to him and obviously his teammates.

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Four and three. He went four and three. If it

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:36.960
<v Speaker 1>was the World Series, they wouldn't won it. But no,

0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean he was, I mean he was. I thought

0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:42.160
<v Speaker 1>he was terrific. He was, you know, even in some

0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:44.240
<v Speaker 1>and all. I thought he was terrific in Kansas City.

0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Really he was running and making plays. And you know,

0:30:49.160 --> 0:30:52.360
<v Speaker 1>you gotta remember, it's just not that he came off

0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:54.640
<v Speaker 1>the bench, and he came off the bench in the

0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:57.600
<v Speaker 1>middle of a playoff run where they had a legitimate chance.

0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Nobody in Bengal's histories then that when Blake came off

0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:03.760
<v Speaker 1>the bench, they were owing, they were owing seven. You know, uh,

0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:06.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, when Turk came off the bench, it was

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:08.520
<v Speaker 1>early in the year. You know, this guy I got.

0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:11.960
<v Speaker 1>No Bengals backup quarterback has come in in the playoff

0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:14.719
<v Speaker 1>run and got him there. I guess you could say, uh,

0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 1>his fulsome soulmate Virgil Carter. But because Virgil, but because

0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:23.840
<v Speaker 1>because but Virgil really was you know, he and Sam

0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Weish were kind of early in the year were alternating

0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 1>and then Virgil Virgil get the job. But you know,

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:32.720
<v Speaker 1>nobody O there. I mean, that's that's that's the thing

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:35.480
<v Speaker 1>is is the pressure that the pressure endured, and it's

0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:38.600
<v Speaker 1>the it's the great American story. You know, he was

0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:42.520
<v Speaker 1>this far away from maybe being a being an offensive

0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 1>assistant at Sacramento State, you know, but he get the

0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 1>call here and here he is and.

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 2>None of those other guys had to wait for four

0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:51.560
<v Speaker 2>years to get their chance, which added to the miracle.

0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Who is your team? M v P?

0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:56.480
<v Speaker 1>You know people are gonna, you know, they're gonna say,

0:31:56.640 --> 0:32:01.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, in my heart, I want to say mixing

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 1>because you know, he did every I mean, really he was.

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 1>He He caught the ball, he ran the ball, he

0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:11.080
<v Speaker 1>went for one thousand yards. He didn't you know, he

0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:13.520
<v Speaker 1>didn't get a hundred yard game until late. He gets

0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:17.440
<v Speaker 1>criticized because he doesn't have explosive plays, and I understand that,

0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 1>but the guy never you know, he never fumbles most

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:24.120
<v Speaker 1>of the time. He'll get you forty yards. He'll keep

0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:26.640
<v Speaker 1>y on schedule. He makes you know he won the

0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:29.360
<v Speaker 1>he won the Minnesota game. He's he's, he's, he's, he's

0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:33.200
<v Speaker 1>in the backfield. And if I haven't, if i've in

0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 1>pace makes that tackle. Seasons, you know that they're done,

0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:40.960
<v Speaker 1>they're out, and he wills himself to stand up, you know,

0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 1>and get in there and score. I think he had

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:44.240
<v Speaker 1>twelve touchdowns.

0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, one four hundred and ten combined yards rushing

0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:51.480
<v Speaker 2>and receiving in twelve touchdowns. That's the quietest fourteen hundred

0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:54.320
<v Speaker 2>yard twelve touchdown season in history.

0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I think you know you get but

0:32:56.320 --> 0:32:59.440
<v Speaker 1>then you know my height, says Mixing. But I also

0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:02.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, my eyes also say Chase. You know, JAMAI

0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Chase in the guts of that when Browning first, you know,

0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:08.800
<v Speaker 1>when when Joe was just getting into shape, and then

0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:11.960
<v Speaker 1>when Browning came in, Chase was a beast. Remember, and

0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 1>then he get hurt. And when he get hurt, things

0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:16.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of felt. Remember they lost they lost their two

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:18.800
<v Speaker 1>games right when he when he when he get hurt,

0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:23.600
<v Speaker 1>and uh, Kansas City and Pittsburgh. He didn't play in

0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:27.720
<v Speaker 1>Pittsburgh and he was he was hurting against Kansas City. Really,

0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:32.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, kudos to him for strapping it up and playing.

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:35.360
<v Speaker 1>But you know, if he's healthy, you wonder how how

0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:36.920
<v Speaker 1>that was because he I mean, he had he had

0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:40.000
<v Speaker 1>ten I think he had u he had he had

0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:42.760
<v Speaker 1>a five one hundred yard games and one morning ties

0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:44.600
<v Speaker 1>him for the you know, that's a quiet that was

0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:47.280
<v Speaker 1>a quiet five you know, five one hundred yard games too.

0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:49.520
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know, you could probably take your pick

0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Jama or Joe, but I you know, I think either

0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:55.200
<v Speaker 1>one will be on it, and we'll throw in.

0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:59.240
<v Speaker 2>Trey Hendrickson on the defensive end, seventeen and a half sacks,

0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 2>seventy nine pressures. According to Pro Football Focus, he came

0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:06.960
<v Speaker 2>out as their sixth best pass rusher among edge guys

0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:11.320
<v Speaker 2>this year in the NFL. Miles Garrett, Michael Parsons, Nick Bosa,

0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:15.480
<v Speaker 2>TJ Watt, Aiden Hutchinson, and then Trey Hendrickson, which is

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:19.440
<v Speaker 2>great company. And I'm not in the building all that

0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:22.680
<v Speaker 2>often in the off season, especially these months, you know,

0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:25.239
<v Speaker 2>when they're not well. I have been the last couple

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:30.239
<v Speaker 2>of years, thankfully, but February March, when the guys for

0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:32.760
<v Speaker 2>the most part aren't in the building unless they're here rehabbing.

0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:36.359
<v Speaker 2>But last year, any time I came down here, Trey

0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:39.120
<v Speaker 2>Hendrickson was here. I came down here, and it's either

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:41.520
<v Speaker 2>like a Monday or a Tuesday. It was right after

0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Florida Atlantic, his alma mater, had played in the Elite

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 2>eight at Madison Square Garden. He was at the game

0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:51.160
<v Speaker 2>and the next day he's down here working out, and

0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:53.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I just saw you on TV at Madison

0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:59.120
<v Speaker 2>Square Garden yesterday. So his one track mind obsession with

0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:02.279
<v Speaker 2>being the best pass rusher that he can possibly be

0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:04.560
<v Speaker 2>is truly incredible.

0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:09.320
<v Speaker 1>If his wife's working, he's here and and his wife's

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:13.440
<v Speaker 1>he is a pharmacist and works, and so he's you know,

0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:17.400
<v Speaker 1>he just buckles it up, comes down here, waits for

0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:19.560
<v Speaker 1>her to get home, leaves, you know. I mean, the

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:22.520
<v Speaker 1>guys all the guy is all football all the time.

0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:26.000
<v Speaker 1>One of the more interesting guys you'll come across, you know,

0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:28.719
<v Speaker 1>he's uh I remember I talked to him. I did

0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:32.920
<v Speaker 1>a conversation with him, and uh. Sim Hubbard said, oh, well,

0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:34.799
<v Speaker 1>you guys are friends now, right, And Henders he goes.

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:38.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. You know, I don't know, yeh, I said,

0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 1>I said, I think we are, but I think he's

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:43.040
<v Speaker 1>a little reluctant about it. But no, he's a he's

0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:47.480
<v Speaker 1>a he's he's a very intriguing guy, interesting guy, spark guy,

0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 1>reflective and uh, I'm glad we got him, so am I.

0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:52.880
<v Speaker 2>How about your Rookie of the Year?

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:56.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it's gotta be uh Jordan battle I think,

0:35:56.200 --> 0:35:57.719
<v Speaker 1>doesn't it have to be? I think he went from

0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:01.320
<v Speaker 1>got a battlefield promotion from personal protector. He's having a

0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:03.560
<v Speaker 1>pretty good run as a personal protector and an all

0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:06.719
<v Speaker 1>Special Teams every man for Darren Simmons, and then when

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Lou decided to put him in the stating lineup, I

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:13.320
<v Speaker 1>thought he was really got better as he went. I

0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:17.680
<v Speaker 1>think he kind of caught DJ Turner. I think DJ Turner,

0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:20.400
<v Speaker 1>I think had a really good, you know, had a

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:22.640
<v Speaker 1>really good start to what he was doing. I think

0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:24.359
<v Speaker 1>he might have hit a little bit of a wall,

0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:26.439
<v Speaker 1>but I think DJ Turner had a very good rookie

0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:28.279
<v Speaker 1>year too, when you take the big picture of it.

0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:30.200
<v Speaker 1>I think he struggled a little bit at the at

0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:31.800
<v Speaker 1>the end. But I think he's going to be. I

0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:33.759
<v Speaker 1>think Turner's going to be a terrific player. I think

0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:35.480
<v Speaker 1>he's going to be a very good corner in the league.

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:37.920
<v Speaker 1>And I think, like I said, I think Battle can

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:41.120
<v Speaker 1>give them a little bit of von Bellion knowledge and

0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:45.440
<v Speaker 1>stability back there. You know, the more experience he gets,

0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:48.120
<v Speaker 1>I think he's a very mature, very mature playoff.

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:51.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm with you on Jordan Battle, so his pro football focus.

0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:54.839
<v Speaker 2>Among the Bengals defensive players who had a legitimate number

0:36:54.840 --> 0:36:57.640
<v Speaker 2>of snaps this year, he graded out number one higher

0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 2>than Trey, higher than DJ Reider, higher than Mike Hilton.

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:03.120
<v Speaker 2>We all had very good years. That's pretty incredible. I

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:05.920
<v Speaker 2>know PFF isn't the be all end all, but it

0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:09.040
<v Speaker 2>certainly looks like the Bengals struck at Rich Considering he

0:37:09.239 --> 0:37:12.400
<v Speaker 2>was a late third round pick ninety fifth overall. I

0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:14.319
<v Speaker 2>think they thought of him more like an early second

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:16.800
<v Speaker 2>round kind of guy, and that's the way he played

0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:19.800
<v Speaker 2>as a rookie. I'll throw in honorable mention honors to

0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:24.200
<v Speaker 2>andre Yosi Vash. The overall numbers aren't great, but he

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:27.600
<v Speaker 2>did have four touchdown catches for an IVY League guy

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:29.800
<v Speaker 2>who never took part in spring football because he was

0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:33.520
<v Speaker 2>working on the pole, vault and the shot put. Troy

0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:36.400
<v Speaker 2>Walters is a tremendous wide receivers coach. I think, with

0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:39.680
<v Speaker 2>his training, andre Yosi Vash is going to turn out

0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:41.200
<v Speaker 2>to be a very productive NFL player.

0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think he's more than a fourth receiver. I

0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:47.040
<v Speaker 1>really do. I think he could be. I don't know

0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:50.319
<v Speaker 1>what kind of a steady diet of a third guy,

0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:53.839
<v Speaker 1>but I think he can be a very I think

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:56.080
<v Speaker 1>he can really contribute. I think he can catch, you know,

0:37:56.960 --> 0:37:59.560
<v Speaker 1>thirty forty balls a year, I would think, particularly in

0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:02.640
<v Speaker 1>a red I think he's a weapon. I think also too,

0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:05.000
<v Speaker 1>I think I think Miles Murphy kind of kind of

0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:07.080
<v Speaker 1>for rookies, kind of snuck in there at the end,

0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:09.439
<v Speaker 1>and he seemed to be improving as he went, which

0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:12.320
<v Speaker 1>I think, which I think is encouraging obviously, because you know,

0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:15.080
<v Speaker 1>I think he was had trouble I think getting into

0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:16.759
<v Speaker 1>a rhythm early. But he's a rookie. He's just he's

0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 1>just learned, and I think he the more snaps you got,

0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 1>I think the better he got. And I think that's

0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:21.239
<v Speaker 1>a good sign too.

0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:24.320
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's do a couple of looking ahead topics.

0:38:25.120 --> 0:38:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Joe Burrow to the news conference this week and May

0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:32.120
<v Speaker 2>headlines with this statement, I expect T to be back.

0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 2>Is Joe Burrow right?

0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 1>He always is right? I mean, I don't know. I

0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:41.080
<v Speaker 1>I I that's a tough one. That's a tough call there.

0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:45.560
<v Speaker 1>I know they want Higgins badly. I also know the

0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:49.720
<v Speaker 1>numbers are daunting when you're flowing jamat Chase and Burrows.

0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:52.840
<v Speaker 1>What Chase is going to get and what Burrow already

0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:55.239
<v Speaker 1>is getting. Yeah, I think you know, but I you know,

0:38:55.640 --> 0:38:57.960
<v Speaker 1>they also there's the option of the franchise tag. You

0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:01.960
<v Speaker 1>have to look at that. But like I said, Joe

0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:08.120
<v Speaker 1>seems pretty confident. I I you know, uh, I think

0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:11.400
<v Speaker 1>T is. I think T likes it here. I think

0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:13.840
<v Speaker 1>he wants to stay here. I I think, you know,

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:16.400
<v Speaker 1>I know that some might say, well, I want to

0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:20.440
<v Speaker 1>get out from Chase's shadows. Some might say that, But

0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:22.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't get that. I don't get that vibe from T.

0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:25.440
<v Speaker 1>I think he knows what he's got in Burrow. Burrow

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:27.800
<v Speaker 1>and he came in together. I think there's a certain

0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:30.960
<v Speaker 1>chemistry there, a certain bond. I think he knows that

0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:34.359
<v Speaker 1>Jam makes him better, you know, and that he makes

0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Jama better. So I don't know. I think, uh, you know,

0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:42.319
<v Speaker 1>we'll see. Do they end up using the tag? Who knows.

0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:45.200
<v Speaker 1>But people seem to be confident that we'll be back.

0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:47.440
<v Speaker 1>And I you know, I got to take Burrow at

0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:51.120
<v Speaker 1>his word. He's certainly I know that. I don't know

0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:53.160
<v Speaker 1>if he's coming back, but I certainly know this. He's

0:39:53.200 --> 0:39:55.480
<v Speaker 1>been a huge piece of what has gone on here.

0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he is a you know, like I keep saying, man,

0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:00.680
<v Speaker 1>when he goes up for a ball that's like a

0:40:00.840 --> 0:40:04.279
<v Speaker 1>Bill Russell Game seven rebound. He's coming down with it,

0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:08.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, about as well as anybody's I've seen. And so,

0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:11.399
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's just as I'm always amazed. There's two

0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:13.880
<v Speaker 1>guys I'm always amazed at when I look at when

0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:16.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm around them all the time, but I'm always stunned

0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:20.200
<v Speaker 1>when I see them up close. Burrow he's always taller

0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:22.640
<v Speaker 1>than I think he is. And then t is just

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:25.680
<v Speaker 1>a massive guy. And then you look at you turn

0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:27.880
<v Speaker 1>it and then you watch what he does on the

0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:32.200
<v Speaker 1>tape and wow, you know, he is just's he's quite

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:32.520
<v Speaker 1>a player.

0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:36.640
<v Speaker 2>He's a monster. Joe said what he said. Then Zach

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:39.759
<v Speaker 2>Taylor said it's hard to imagine life without Tea. I

0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:42.279
<v Speaker 2>don't think they're going to have to imagine it this year.

0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:46.400
<v Speaker 2>I do think the franchise tag seems most likely. He

0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:49.160
<v Speaker 2>would be twenty one point seven mil, which is obviously

0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:52.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of money, but the Burrow contract doesn't really

0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:56.680
<v Speaker 2>hurt until the following year. It's structured in such a

0:40:56.680 --> 0:40:59.920
<v Speaker 2>way that this coming year they'll still have some maneuverability.

0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:04.120
<v Speaker 2>I think they can fit that in. Jamar Chase is

0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:07.320
<v Speaker 2>probably going to be looking at more like thirty million

0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:09.560
<v Speaker 2>dollars a year, which is incredible for a wide receiver.

0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:13.239
<v Speaker 2>But if anybody deserves it, he does. I think they

0:41:13.360 --> 0:41:16.239
<v Speaker 2>keep the band together as long as they can under

0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:19.320
<v Speaker 2>the cap, and to me, that feels like a franchise

0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:21.520
<v Speaker 2>tag for Tea. But we'll see. They've got until March

0:41:21.600 --> 0:41:22.399
<v Speaker 2>fifth to figure it out.

0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Man, does Boyd come back to the Higgins comes back?

0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Does Tyler come back?

0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's our next topic. All right, here we go.

0:41:30.320 --> 0:41:33.240
<v Speaker 2>T is not the only prominent free agent. You also

0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:38.720
<v Speaker 2>have alphabetically Chidabeo, Wouje, Tyler, Boyd, DJ Reader, Jonah Williams.

0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:41.879
<v Speaker 2>There are others, but we'll concentrate on those four rate

0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:51.640
<v Speaker 2>in order of likelihood, which guy will be back Cheetoh, Tyler, DJ, Jonah.

0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:57.440
<v Speaker 1>That's a tough one night, probably, I mean DJ, maybe

0:41:57.520 --> 0:42:01.640
<v Speaker 1>because I don't know what his injury will do to

0:42:01.840 --> 0:42:05.719
<v Speaker 1>his bracket value or how other teams view him. I

0:42:06.000 --> 0:42:09.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, um selfishly, you'd love to have DJ back.

0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:11.319
<v Speaker 1>You talked to him for you know, one of your

0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:14.560
<v Speaker 1>great podcast, great interview with him about and we've talked

0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:17.200
<v Speaker 1>to people ad nauseum here about what he means to

0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:21.000
<v Speaker 1>his team. There's no question about it. Coaches, players, you know,

0:42:21.600 --> 0:42:24.040
<v Speaker 1>the outpouring when he get hurt. I mean the guy

0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:25.959
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I mean look like I mean, his walker

0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:28.360
<v Speaker 1>looked like a funeral home with all the you know,

0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:31.040
<v Speaker 1>balloons and the gifts and whatever. I know, the social

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:35.279
<v Speaker 1>media content team was they had some nice cards and

0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:38.800
<v Speaker 1>stuff for him because he's been so helpful. So, I

0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:42.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, how does that play into what? You know?

0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:44.880
<v Speaker 1>A right tackle trying to keep Jonan Williams around is

0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:47.239
<v Speaker 1>a right tackle who proved he can play right tackle.

0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:50.120
<v Speaker 1>He can also play left tackle. Had a pretty good year.

0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:53.440
<v Speaker 1>He's on the top one hundred free agent lists. He

0:42:53.560 --> 0:42:56.080
<v Speaker 1>might be tough to to bring back when you're playing,

0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:57.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, or when you're playing the let when you're

0:42:57.880 --> 0:43:02.000
<v Speaker 1>paying the left tackle as much as you and I,

0:43:02.239 --> 0:43:05.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's hard to pay corners. You got a

0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:07.839
<v Speaker 1>woozy a up. But O Cheeto is is is Uh,

0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:11.680
<v Speaker 1>he's coming off his own injuries, you know, so does

0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:14.920
<v Speaker 1>that what? How are other teams going to view him?

0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:18.719
<v Speaker 1>That's a question. But I just think it's it's tough

0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:20.839
<v Speaker 1>to keep these guys. I mean, it's just it's hard

0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:24.040
<v Speaker 1>to Uh, it's hard to imagine life without them. But

0:43:24.200 --> 0:43:28.480
<v Speaker 1>that is life, you know, with us, what happens when

0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:30.120
<v Speaker 1>you do well and you know all these good players

0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:34.680
<v Speaker 1>and you uh, you know you just talked about te

0:43:35.800 --> 0:43:39.319
<v Speaker 1>Chase and Burrow, right, well, where do those other I mean,

0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:40.719
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be hard to fit in any of

0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:41.280
<v Speaker 1>those guys.

0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:47.040
<v Speaker 2>Right here is my order of likelihood. Most likely DJ Reader.

0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:50.920
<v Speaker 2>It's really unfortunate, but I do agree that the injury

0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:53.960
<v Speaker 2>made it more likely he turns thirty over the summer.

0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:58.720
<v Speaker 2>The Bengals are historically hesitant to give long term deals

0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:02.279
<v Speaker 2>to guys in their thirties, and that's probably smart, but

0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:05.040
<v Speaker 2>somebody would have somebody out there would have given DJ

0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:07.520
<v Speaker 2>Reader like a four year deal or something like that,

0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:10.919
<v Speaker 2>and he's a great player. I understand why another team

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:15.480
<v Speaker 2>might have done that. With the injury, that becomes less likely.

0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:19.920
<v Speaker 2>He's probably looking at a shorter deal with incentives and

0:44:20.280 --> 0:44:23.920
<v Speaker 2>all things being equal, I think the Bengals become one

0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:26.759
<v Speaker 2>of the better options for DJ reader. He likes it here.

0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:28.600
<v Speaker 2>He knows he'd have a chance to win a Super Bowl.

0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:31.239
<v Speaker 2>They've already paid him fifty three million bucks, so there's

0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 2>some loyalty there. So again I would put him at

0:44:34.200 --> 0:44:36.839
<v Speaker 2>the top of the list for most likely. I guess

0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:40.640
<v Speaker 2>number two I would go Boyd. Having said that, I

0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:44.000
<v Speaker 2>don't think it's likely. We saw on Monday, the day

0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:46.400
<v Speaker 2>after the final game of the year, he exchanged signed

0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:48.880
<v Speaker 2>jerseys with Chase and Higgins. It was kind of a

0:44:49.000 --> 0:44:51.759
<v Speaker 2>sad moment to see that happening. And even when Joe

0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:54.360
<v Speaker 2>Burrow was asked about him, he didn't say I expect

0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Boyd back, you know, he kind of spoke about Boyd

0:44:57.000 --> 0:44:59.560
<v Speaker 2>for all he's met with kind of a tone that

0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:03.720
<v Speaker 2>he expe to be gone. Now. Maybe the market isn't

0:45:03.719 --> 0:45:06.080
<v Speaker 2>as good for a nine year vet who's going to

0:45:06.120 --> 0:45:10.320
<v Speaker 2>be thirty next year as he hopes and that brings

0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:12.839
<v Speaker 2>him back to Cincinnati. Obviously, if the Bengals could keep

0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:15.440
<v Speaker 2>him at a reasonable price, I'm sure they would love

0:45:15.520 --> 0:45:17.880
<v Speaker 2>to have them. So I'll put him number two on

0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:20.200
<v Speaker 2>the list. But again, I don't think it's especially likely

0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:23.960
<v Speaker 2>in a Wouoja's case because of the injury and he

0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:26.720
<v Speaker 2>didn't have a great year this year. He's probably looking

0:45:26.800 --> 0:45:29.120
<v Speaker 2>at something of a prove it type deal for a

0:45:29.239 --> 0:45:32.560
<v Speaker 2>year or two. I think under those circumstances, he's going

0:45:32.600 --> 0:45:34.080
<v Speaker 2>to want to try to prove it at a place

0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:36.839
<v Speaker 2>where he's pretty much guaranteed to start, and I don't

0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:39.279
<v Speaker 2>think that'll be here. I think they're probably looking at

0:45:39.719 --> 0:45:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Cam Taylor, Britt and DJ Turner as the starting outside corners.

0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:45.520
<v Speaker 2>They'd love to have Cheetoh as a third guy. You

0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:49.160
<v Speaker 2>need more than two. But from his perspective, if it's

0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:51.799
<v Speaker 2>going to be a prove it contract, he's probably going

0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:53.600
<v Speaker 2>to want to try to prove it where they say, oh,

0:45:53.760 --> 0:45:56.080
<v Speaker 2>you are definitely going to be one of our starters.

0:45:56.440 --> 0:45:58.320
<v Speaker 2>And then I would put Jonah in the fourth spot

0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:02.560
<v Speaker 2>because I think he's positioned himself to be one of

0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:07.240
<v Speaker 2>the top free agent tackles available. Pro Football Focus graded

0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:10.160
<v Speaker 2>him number sixty three out of eighty nine, which had

0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:13.279
<v Speaker 2>enough snaps to qualify, which you know doesn't sound very good,

0:46:13.719 --> 0:46:16.160
<v Speaker 2>but I thought he was very solid this year. I

0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:18.879
<v Speaker 2>think you can win with Jonah Williams at either left

0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:22.880
<v Speaker 2>tackle or right tackle. The Bengals have correct but Pro

0:46:23.000 --> 0:46:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Football Focus also does these contract you know, predictions or whatever,

0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:30.640
<v Speaker 2>what they think he's likely to get. They project four years,

0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:34.040
<v Speaker 2>sixty four mil. That's what the Bengals are paying Orlando

0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:38.080
<v Speaker 2>Brown Junior, a four time Pro Bowler who graded out

0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:41.160
<v Speaker 2>much better according to PFF than Jonah did this year.

0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:43.920
<v Speaker 2>So if that's the case, I think he's likely to

0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:46.520
<v Speaker 2>get that that kind of deal somewhere else in Cincinnati.

0:46:46.680 --> 0:46:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can't. I mean, I don't think he can

0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:51.080
<v Speaker 1>pay two tackle You can't pay two tackles at particularly

0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:52.399
<v Speaker 1>what your wide receivers are.

0:46:53.719 --> 0:46:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Right on this organization, I don't think he can with

0:46:57.040 --> 0:46:58.520
<v Speaker 2>the likelihood that you're going to try to get a

0:46:58.520 --> 0:47:00.239
<v Speaker 2>long term deal done with one of the highest paid

0:47:00.239 --> 0:47:02.920
<v Speaker 2>wide receivers in the game. What is their number one

0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:04.400
<v Speaker 2>priority in the off season?

0:47:05.160 --> 0:47:09.040
<v Speaker 1>Great question. I guess if we're talking players, are we

0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:13.000
<v Speaker 1>talking players or if we're talking uh fixes.

0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:13.799
<v Speaker 2>Open ended question.

0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:18.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I probably I think get the defense fixed

0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:22.839
<v Speaker 1>and they have to figure out if that's personnel or scheme. Uh.

0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:25.680
<v Speaker 1>And then I think beyond that, I think it's uh,

0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:28.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think they got to shore up their

0:47:28.080 --> 0:47:31.319
<v Speaker 1>corner you know, their cornerback depth. I think probably they

0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:33.640
<v Speaker 1>could attack They got to attack their defensive line depth

0:47:33.680 --> 0:47:35.719
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. I mean, you know, we're talking about

0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:38.840
<v Speaker 1>dj H they don't have they don't have them on

0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:40.520
<v Speaker 1>the contract, so they have to I think they have

0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:44.960
<v Speaker 1>to attack that, uh, you know, some inside people and uh,

0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:48.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think, uh, you might have to tackle

0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:50.000
<v Speaker 1>the right time. You know, where do you get your

0:47:50.040 --> 0:47:53.080
<v Speaker 1>right tackle? You know, we've just said that we thought

0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:57.160
<v Speaker 1>we don't think Jonas coming back, so you know, historically

0:47:57.239 --> 0:47:59.320
<v Speaker 1>you got to go get that guy early, you know.

0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:03.239
<v Speaker 1>So I think probably if you're looking at positions, I think,

0:48:03.280 --> 0:48:07.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, you're probably looking corner depth, nose tackle, three

0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:11.720
<v Speaker 1>technique depth from the probably tackle.

0:48:13.160 --> 0:48:18.279
<v Speaker 2>The number one off season priority is Wristwatch Joe Burrow's wrist.

0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:20.880
<v Speaker 2>They've got to make sure that they do everything right

0:48:20.960 --> 0:48:23.240
<v Speaker 2>in terms of getting him healthy and keeping him healthy

0:48:23.320 --> 0:48:25.279
<v Speaker 2>until the start of the season. Wouldn't that be nice?

0:48:25.320 --> 0:48:28.040
<v Speaker 2>If he was able to not only recover from risk surgery,

0:48:28.120 --> 0:48:30.520
<v Speaker 2>but go through a normal training camp and be able

0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:32.280
<v Speaker 2>to play in the opener without having.

0:48:32.080 --> 0:48:33.440
<v Speaker 1>A house arrested.

0:48:35.000 --> 0:48:38.000
<v Speaker 2>But you know, a second off season priority, in my opinion,

0:48:38.120 --> 0:48:39.880
<v Speaker 2>is something that you brought up when you spoke with

0:48:40.360 --> 0:48:44.120
<v Speaker 2>Zach Taylor and one of your conversations that you had

0:48:44.160 --> 0:48:46.480
<v Speaker 2>in megals dot com, and that is getting off to

0:48:46.560 --> 0:48:49.399
<v Speaker 2>a better start. It's the one thing that has been

0:48:49.640 --> 0:48:53.239
<v Speaker 2>pretty much lousy in his five year tenure, with the

0:48:53.320 --> 0:48:55.839
<v Speaker 2>exception of the Super Bowl year. The first few weeks

0:48:55.840 --> 0:48:57.680
<v Speaker 2>of the season. I went to his first year, I

0:48:57.719 --> 0:49:00.759
<v Speaker 2>went to his second year, one in one his third year,

0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:02.600
<v Speaker 2>and three in one that year that was the year

0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:04.839
<v Speaker 2>they went to the Super Bowl. Oh into a year

0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:07.839
<v Speaker 2>four they overcame it got to the AFC Championship Game.

0:49:07.960 --> 0:49:10.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh into this year. That's one and nine in the

0:49:10.680 --> 0:49:13.800
<v Speaker 2>first two weeks of a five year stretch. And I

0:49:13.960 --> 0:49:16.759
<v Speaker 2>was happy to hear him say when you talk to

0:49:16.880 --> 0:49:20.919
<v Speaker 2>him about it, that they do need to really look

0:49:21.000 --> 0:49:24.640
<v Speaker 2>hard at what they've done and try to determine what

0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:26.600
<v Speaker 2>they can change to get off to a faster start.

0:49:27.040 --> 0:49:29.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's a balance, and so I get back

0:49:29.400 --> 0:49:31.839
<v Speaker 1>to what we're saying, a balance. I mean, because he's

0:49:32.040 --> 0:49:35.120
<v Speaker 1>very Zach is very aware, and I agree with him

0:49:35.160 --> 0:49:38.880
<v Speaker 1>on this, because the season is so long and you

0:49:38.960 --> 0:49:41.520
<v Speaker 1>know you've got it, you can't you can't, you can't

0:49:41.600 --> 0:49:44.560
<v Speaker 1>run these guys had in the spring and in training

0:49:44.600 --> 0:49:45.360
<v Speaker 1>camp can't do it.

0:49:45.880 --> 0:49:46.680
<v Speaker 2>They don't want to do it.

0:49:46.840 --> 0:49:48.640
<v Speaker 1>For one thing, you know, it's an it's the the

0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:53.080
<v Speaker 1>era of the era of the haid nosed. You know,

0:49:53.200 --> 0:49:56.719
<v Speaker 1>training camps is and and regimens is over because it's

0:49:56.760 --> 0:50:00.160
<v Speaker 1>a and I think for a variety of reasons. Main

0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:03.600
<v Speaker 1>thing is just too damn long to keep pounding these guys.

0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:05.840
<v Speaker 1>So he's gotta but you also have to be ready.

0:50:06.040 --> 0:50:07.759
<v Speaker 1>Right now, I would say it, there's a big cave

0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:10.319
<v Speaker 1>yeat with what what is that one? What did they

0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:12.600
<v Speaker 1>have that one year? In twenty twenty one, they had

0:50:12.719 --> 0:50:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Joe Burrow who actually went through he didn't go through

0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:18.080
<v Speaker 1>all of training camp because he was coming back from

0:50:18.080 --> 0:50:19.920
<v Speaker 1>a rehab, but he went through most of it, right

0:50:20.480 --> 0:50:24.040
<v Speaker 1>and they were three and one. So if I'm Zach Taylor,

0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:25.640
<v Speaker 1>you gotta, you know, you got to say, you know,

0:50:25.760 --> 0:50:28.880
<v Speaker 1>you got to balance it. They've been very good in

0:50:29.239 --> 0:50:32.040
<v Speaker 1>November December right now, they ran into obviously they ran

0:50:32.080 --> 0:50:34.360
<v Speaker 1>into problems this year, but they didn't have Burrow. But

0:50:34.440 --> 0:50:37.120
<v Speaker 1>when they've had Borrow, they've been you know, I think

0:50:37.480 --> 0:50:40.000
<v Speaker 1>before this November stretch they were like fourteen and they

0:50:40.040 --> 0:50:43.600
<v Speaker 1>were like thirteen and four in November and December and

0:50:43.680 --> 0:50:48.240
<v Speaker 1>January games, which says they're doing something right in getting

0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:52.080
<v Speaker 1>ready for it. So you gotta do you panic and say,

0:50:53.040 --> 0:50:55.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, do you panic can say you can change

0:50:55.440 --> 0:50:58.480
<v Speaker 1>it up? Or do you step back and say, Okay,

0:50:58.520 --> 0:51:00.880
<v Speaker 1>we didn't have Burrow, we do have to do a

0:51:00.960 --> 0:51:03.759
<v Speaker 1>few things differently, and they will and it's built in

0:51:04.360 --> 0:51:06.560
<v Speaker 1>because it's not like the previous two years where they

0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:10.040
<v Speaker 1>were so deep into February. So I think, you know,

0:51:10.480 --> 0:51:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Zach's Zach and Joey Bose his strength coach, they got

0:51:12.960 --> 0:51:15.440
<v Speaker 1>a real good handle on this, on this stuff, and

0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:18.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty confident that they'll they'll they'll figure out what

0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:21.840
<v Speaker 1>they're what they're doing. And the big thing to me is,

0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:24.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, how do you keep Borrow healthy? What do

0:51:24.640 --> 0:51:26.279
<v Speaker 1>you do? Do you give them maybe do you give

0:51:26.320 --> 0:51:28.960
<v Speaker 1>them days off in training camp? I mean, what do

0:51:29.000 --> 0:51:30.520
<v Speaker 1>you you know, what do you do? Because I'm all

0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:32.760
<v Speaker 1>in Forze, you got to get to the gate. Marvin

0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:34.600
<v Speaker 1>Lewis was good at getting these guys to the gate too,

0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:36.920
<v Speaker 1>even though he you know, if you compare the training

0:51:37.000 --> 0:51:40.000
<v Speaker 1>camps and Pe like the Marines, and you know, but

0:51:40.160 --> 0:51:42.319
<v Speaker 1>it's but it's a different era and it's a different game.

0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:44.760
<v Speaker 1>But both Zach and Barber we're very good at getting

0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:47.480
<v Speaker 1>their guys to the gate in their era of football.

0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:50.680
<v Speaker 1>They both knew it was important, and so I just

0:51:50.760 --> 0:51:53.880
<v Speaker 1>think it's I think it's fascinating to look at to

0:51:53.960 --> 0:51:55.640
<v Speaker 1>look at it because I think Zach's got a really

0:51:55.640 --> 0:51:57.239
<v Speaker 1>good grip on it. I think his record in the

0:51:57.280 --> 0:52:00.480
<v Speaker 1>big games shows that proves that that he's getting them

0:52:00.520 --> 0:52:03.959
<v Speaker 1>ready for the big ones. And you can argue, look,

0:52:04.000 --> 0:52:06.839
<v Speaker 1>they had they were good enough in November December. This time,

0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:10.440
<v Speaker 1>they didn't win enough games, but they had enough people

0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:12.360
<v Speaker 1>with their backup quarterback to almost make it.

0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:15.279
<v Speaker 2>I think all of that is true. And I am

0:52:15.360 --> 0:52:17.960
<v Speaker 2>certainly not calling for the return of the Forest Greg era.

0:52:18.160 --> 0:52:20.200
<v Speaker 1>In That's what I told them. I said, I said, look,

0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:22.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm not looking you to go with double sessions here

0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:23.040
<v Speaker 1>in morning and afternoon.

0:52:24.560 --> 0:52:26.759
<v Speaker 2>A goal line drill on the first day of training, camp.

0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:30.719
<v Speaker 2>But I do think they've got to do something differently,

0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:33.640
<v Speaker 2>and I don't even really specifically have an answer for

0:52:33.719 --> 0:52:35.520
<v Speaker 2>what that something is. But there are a lot of

0:52:35.560 --> 0:52:39.400
<v Speaker 2>smart people here the coaching staff, Duke Tobin, Mike Brown's

0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:42.359
<v Speaker 2>been in pro football for sixty plus years. They've got

0:52:42.440 --> 0:52:44.160
<v Speaker 2>to have a meeting of the minds to say, all right,

0:52:44.239 --> 0:52:46.160
<v Speaker 2>maybe we need to do this a little differently, and

0:52:46.280 --> 0:52:50.040
<v Speaker 2>this a little differently so that we can avoid losses

0:52:50.120 --> 0:52:53.000
<v Speaker 2>that are just as costly in September as they are

0:52:53.120 --> 0:52:55.520
<v Speaker 2>in October, November, December. At the end, it's how many

0:52:55.600 --> 0:52:57.960
<v Speaker 2>win and how many you lose, And if you're constantly

0:52:58.080 --> 0:53:00.320
<v Speaker 2>starting zero to two, you put yourself off in a

0:53:00.400 --> 0:53:02.440
<v Speaker 2>hole that yeah, maybe you recover and make it to

0:53:02.480 --> 0:53:04.719
<v Speaker 2>the playoffs. But maybe that's the difference between being the

0:53:04.800 --> 0:53:07.640
<v Speaker 2>number one seed and having a couple of home games

0:53:07.680 --> 0:53:09.480
<v Speaker 2>as your path to go to New Orleans and the

0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:10.399
<v Speaker 2>Super Bowl next year.

0:53:10.760 --> 0:53:15.319
<v Speaker 1>The guy Zach's philosophy that is that probably mirrors more

0:53:15.400 --> 0:53:18.520
<v Speaker 1>than anybody's, probably Paul Brown's. Paul Brown was was kind

0:53:18.560 --> 0:53:20.759
<v Speaker 1>of at the vanguard of this. He was seen as

0:53:21.200 --> 0:53:24.759
<v Speaker 1>as different because he kept he kept it light, he

0:53:24.880 --> 0:53:26.759
<v Speaker 1>kept it brisk, he kept it short. He didn't want

0:53:26.760 --> 0:53:29.839
<v Speaker 1>to get his guys beat up. And it's really kind

0:53:29.880 --> 0:53:32.880
<v Speaker 1>of funny how it's kind of come full circle. And uh,

0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:35.799
<v Speaker 1>you know with what Zach is doing. So I think, uh,

0:53:36.320 --> 0:53:39.240
<v Speaker 1>Zach's kind of get history on his side because Pebe

0:53:39.360 --> 0:53:41.439
<v Speaker 1>for the most part had some pretty good teams. People

0:53:41.480 --> 0:53:43.799
<v Speaker 1>forget his last team he had here win eleven and three,

0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:47.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, and uh so I I uh, you know,

0:53:47.480 --> 0:53:52.320
<v Speaker 1>it's a famous story of uh the uh when Kenny Anderson.

0:53:53.000 --> 0:53:55.040
<v Speaker 1>This is back in a whole different time of football,

0:53:55.080 --> 0:53:58.960
<v Speaker 1>when the starters played every preseason game, you know. But

0:53:59.080 --> 0:54:01.360
<v Speaker 1>even that then in seventy eight, I know, there was

0:54:01.400 --> 0:54:03.720
<v Speaker 1>some hope. And when they went to the at halftime

0:54:03.800 --> 0:54:06.439
<v Speaker 1>at the last preseason game, boy, I hope he maybe

0:54:06.520 --> 0:54:09.960
<v Speaker 1>sits Kenny, you know, and for the second half. And

0:54:10.120 --> 0:54:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Kenny came out and played the first series and broke

0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:14.279
<v Speaker 1>his hand on a helmet and the season was lost. So,

0:54:15.239 --> 0:54:19.359
<v Speaker 1>like I say, Zach's got a Zach. Zach and PB

0:54:19.480 --> 0:54:21.640
<v Speaker 1>are on the same page there all, right.

0:54:21.760 --> 0:54:24.920
<v Speaker 2>Final topic, and this is one where it's great to

0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:27.920
<v Speaker 2>have you on as a guest. The possibility of Willie

0:54:27.920 --> 0:54:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Anderson being selected for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

0:54:31.719 --> 0:54:34.640
<v Speaker 2>You've got a meeting coming up soon. What's the next step.

0:54:35.400 --> 0:54:37.239
<v Speaker 1>I wish he just had a better presenter, he'd have

0:54:37.320 --> 0:54:41.960
<v Speaker 1>a better shot. No, I think his chances get better

0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:44.839
<v Speaker 1>every year. I think he's an attractive candidate. I've heard

0:54:44.880 --> 0:54:47.160
<v Speaker 1>that from a lot of This is his third trip

0:54:47.200 --> 0:54:50.000
<v Speaker 1>to the finals, and I think Willie just more and

0:54:50.120 --> 0:54:53.280
<v Speaker 1>more that we present his case. It just grows on people.

0:54:53.800 --> 0:54:59.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's an indisputable case, you know, hope going

0:54:59.520 --> 0:55:02.440
<v Speaker 1>in there. I'm with some pro football focus, not only

0:55:02.520 --> 0:55:05.920
<v Speaker 1>pro football focused stats, but Mike Giddings, an old school

0:55:06.920 --> 0:55:12.239
<v Speaker 1>pro scout who many teams, including the Bengals use so

0:55:13.239 --> 0:55:17.680
<v Speaker 1>new school, old school stats, quotes from people like Bill

0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:20.279
<v Speaker 1>cow and Ozzie Newsome, teams that had to play him

0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:24.440
<v Speaker 1>twice a year in the division. Willie's case makes itself,

0:55:24.960 --> 0:55:28.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, so, and I think it's growing on people. Unfortunately,

0:55:28.520 --> 0:55:32.040
<v Speaker 1>I think it takes time. For Tony Boselli was in

0:55:32.080 --> 0:55:36.960
<v Speaker 1>front of the committee six times, so you know, I

0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:41.520
<v Speaker 1>think it's we'll see what happens. I you know, I

0:55:41.640 --> 0:55:45.520
<v Speaker 1>think you know, there's no it's also probably you know,

0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:47.600
<v Speaker 1>not only is it. You know, there's only two Bengals

0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:49.799
<v Speaker 1>in the Hall, but there's only I don't think there's

0:55:49.840 --> 0:55:52.279
<v Speaker 1>been a right tackle elected to the Hall in about

0:55:52.360 --> 0:55:55.640
<v Speaker 1>twenty years so, and I think that's part of the

0:55:55.719 --> 0:55:59.480
<v Speaker 1>agumen is look the left, you know, the great pass

0:55:59.640 --> 0:56:02.680
<v Speaker 1>rusher are now on either side of the ball. If

0:56:02.719 --> 0:56:05.640
<v Speaker 1>you look at Willy, at one time or another played

0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:10.480
<v Speaker 1>ten of the top twelve sackers, you know, and at

0:56:10.520 --> 0:56:13.000
<v Speaker 1>one time or the other. Now, as Willy evolved and

0:56:13.040 --> 0:56:16.040
<v Speaker 1>the game evolved, a lot of guys switch sides. But

0:56:16.160 --> 0:56:17.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of guys who would have been you know,

0:56:19.239 --> 0:56:22.120
<v Speaker 1>the athleticism has moved. You didn't have just one athletic

0:56:22.160 --> 0:56:24.560
<v Speaker 1>guy rushing the batch. You had two three and they

0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:27.800
<v Speaker 1>were over both tackles. So that's part of it. And

0:56:27.880 --> 0:56:29.960
<v Speaker 1>I think that's I think that's that's that's something that's

0:56:30.000 --> 0:56:34.080
<v Speaker 1>beginning to take hold. Yeah, I mean right tackles or

0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:34.759
<v Speaker 1>tackles too.

0:56:36.239 --> 0:56:39.719
<v Speaker 2>How sophisticated are these presentations? Is there video? Do you

0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:43.000
<v Speaker 2>have a like a folder, you know, glossy pictures? How

0:56:43.120 --> 0:56:43.640
<v Speaker 2>is that done?

0:56:43.960 --> 0:56:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just there's no video. It's I'll have a

0:56:48.280 --> 0:56:51.480
<v Speaker 1>brochure that I'll hand out to the folks, but it's

0:56:51.520 --> 0:56:55.640
<v Speaker 1>basically you know, I'll speak for five minutes and that

0:56:55.719 --> 0:56:58.239
<v Speaker 1>a limit. Yeah, it's a five minute limit. And then

0:56:58.280 --> 0:57:01.160
<v Speaker 1>you'll you know, and then you know, the others will

0:57:01.200 --> 0:57:03.480
<v Speaker 1>speak for him, others on the committee. He will be discussed,

0:57:03.480 --> 0:57:08.080
<v Speaker 1>he'll be debated. Then with the other fourteen modern era candidates.

0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Each guy is voted on. Each guy has to get

0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:17.400
<v Speaker 1>eighty percent of the vote. So we'll at the end

0:57:17.480 --> 0:57:18.760
<v Speaker 1>if he makes it to the if he makes it

0:57:18.840 --> 0:57:21.360
<v Speaker 1>to the end. So it's uh, you know, it gets

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<v Speaker 1>it goes from a cut, it gets cut from fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>to ten and then to five. So it's uh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>always a This is the first time we've met. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the first time we've met in persons since twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>so no since twenty twenty. It's the first time since

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty, so because we met before the pandemic. But

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<v Speaker 1>so it'll be it'll be Uh, it's always interesting. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a draining day. It's important. It's one of the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a big responsibility to be entrusted with. It's important.

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<v Speaker 1>It's uh, you know, it's uh, you know, they say

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<v Speaker 1>it can change people's lives, so you take that responsibility,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, take that it's ability.

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<v Speaker 2>Seriously, Willie's case is in great hands. He helped Ken

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<v Speaker 2>Riley make it to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that Willy's going to have his case presented

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<v Speaker 2>beautifully next week. And best of luck and helping to

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<v Speaker 2>convince that crew that he is worthy of inclusion in

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<v Speaker 2>the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very kind of you to say. I told Willie today,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, it's going to be like when you met

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<v Speaker 1>with brat Kowski and he told you the Tuesday before

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<v Speaker 1>you played Peppers, you're gonna have to take her more

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<v Speaker 1>on one And Willie looked at eight plays on the

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<v Speaker 1>film and said, don't worry, bratt I got it. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I told Willie. That's what I told Willie today.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you're right, you do have it. You're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be great. Best of luck with that, and thanks so

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<v Speaker 2>much for your time. It's always pleasure, Hordy.

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