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Speaker 2: I'm Dan Board and thanks for downloading The Bengals Booth Podcast,

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Speaker 2: the I Go Back Edition as I take an in

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Speaker 2: depth look back at the highs and lows of the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three season with my buddy Jeffhobson from Bengals

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Speaker 2: finished a disappointing year on a very positive note, Joseph Osai.

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Speaker 2: luck to Ted. Now let's get to this week's guests.

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Speaker 2: In the Bengals season ending win over Cleveland, one of

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Speaker 2: their highest graded players was Joseph Osai, who had a

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Speaker 2: with Jeff Driscoll's arm leading to an easy interception for

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Speaker 2: Logan Wilson. Osai played twenty six snaps in the game,

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Speaker 3: I think he would answer the question just like I'm

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Speaker 3: He can come into the offseason without an injury and

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Speaker 2: Joseph missed his entire rookie year due to injury, then

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Speaker 2: Coach, and Romo was raving about your work ethic, how

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Speaker 2: Guy Will what do you think your offseason looks like?

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Speaker 4: you're you're mistaken. For sure. He's unstoppable, completely unstoppable.

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Speaker 2: He's so maniacally focused. Almost anytime I came in here

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Speaker 4: If you're from the outside looking in, you can you

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Speaker 4: Whatever however it comes, whatever it looks like, never take it,

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Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson had a total of six and a half

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Speaker 2: hoping that Joseph Osai also has a breakout season in

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Speaker 2: Now time for a comprehensive look back at the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three season. It was a winning year at nine

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Speaker 2: to eight, but one that fell short of the Bengals

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl aspirations. I discussed it with Bengals dot Com

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Speaker 2: editor Jeff Butch Hobson. It is the second week of

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Speaker 2: a nine and eight season. We are going to tackle

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Speaker 2: several topics on this podcast, some serious, some just for fun.

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Speaker 2: We begin with this some up the season in a sentence.

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Speaker 1: It was really good until July twenty eighth, and that's

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Speaker 1: July twenty eighth, and I think that's the right date

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Speaker 1: was The second practice was a second practice a training camp,

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Speaker 2: So that first practice was awesome, unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: we interrupt this program. That's my sentence for the season.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully we'll be back in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: it wasn't It wasn't Walter Cronkite coming in on as

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Speaker 2: Totally agree. Jake Browning is the silver lining. We have

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Speaker 2: Jake Browning had a passer rating of ninety eight point four,

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Speaker 1: It had to be the defense. I thought, you know,

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Speaker 2: My biggest disappointment is one in five in the AFC

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Speaker 2: there are probably a lot of reasons, but I'll say this,

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Speaker 2: the coaches are much smarter than I am about this stuff.

433
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Speaker 2: But how about a fullback? How about taking Sam Hubbard

434
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Speaker 2: like he used to and lining him up at fullback

435
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Speaker 2: or domatop echo back in the day. Could we try

436
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Speaker 2: something like that on third and one or fourth and one.

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Speaker 1: I guess you know you can't criticize that then for

438
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Speaker 1: not running in on third and one and fourth and

439
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Speaker 1: one because because the numbers are because the numbers are

440
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Speaker 1: with them, I guess so. And uh, And the Zachs

441
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what though, and I and those are

442
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Speaker 1: interesting numbers in the AFC North. I think that is more.

443
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Speaker 1: I think that speaks more to the town, the AC

444
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: North because I look at these other games and of

445
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: course it's just a guy watching TV. I I you know,

446
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: but a lot of teams have prouble, trouble it seems

447
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: like on the short yard stuff. And it's amazing because

448
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 1: it's it's it's only a yard, but it's uh, you know,

449
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: I saw there have been Pittsburgh almost lost the game

450
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: or almost had a chance of losing the game because

451
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Speaker 1: they couldn't convert because they looked like they were a

452
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Speaker 1: little confused. But you know, I think it's you know,

453
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Speaker 1: I think it comes down to does it come down

454
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Speaker 1: you know? I think these guys are you hear the criticism, well,

455
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Speaker 1: the offensive line they're past protectors because we're because the

456
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Speaker 1: Bengals are a past first team, and o't buy that.

457
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Speaker 1: They're tough guys. They're physical guys. They can move people.

458
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: We've seen it move people in the running game. So

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, I think it's a uh,

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Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's a That's why it's

461
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Speaker 1: a mystery.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Philly, by the way, on fourth and one with

463
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Speaker 2: the brotherly shove uns successful.

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Speaker 1: How many injuries?

465
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Speaker 2: That's a good question.

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Speaker 1: I hate that thing because it just looks like a

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Speaker 1: football version of a something you see on seventy four

468
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Speaker 1: that is on on I seventy four. It just, you know,

469
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Speaker 1: it looks like a lot of rubber Yeah, just a

470
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Speaker 1: lot of rubbernecking. You know, it just doesn't look good.

471
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Speaker 1: But I you know, but ninety two percent is ninety

472
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Speaker 1: two percent. Might be it might be driving Jason Kelsey

473
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Speaker 1: in the retirement though.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's move on your favorite moment of twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three.

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Speaker 1: You know, Tyler Boyd's catching overtime in the Vikings game.

477
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Speaker 1: That was that was unbelievable, one of the greatest catches

478
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Speaker 1: I've ever seen in just a crunch time with the

479
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Speaker 1: playoffs on the line.

480
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Speaker 2: And maybe the second best catch in that game because

481
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Speaker 2: of T Higgins.

482
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Speaker 1: But I think my favorite moment is when it still

483
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Speaker 1: involves Tyler Boyd. I love Tyler Boyd because he's always

484
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Speaker 1: got great moments, you know. But when Jake Browning came over,

485
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Speaker 1: it was an off Okay, if it's an off the

486
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Speaker 1: field moment when everybody's around Tyler Boyd, who you know

487
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Speaker 1: may have played his last game for the Bengals in

488
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Speaker 1: a great career, and Browning, Jake Browning came over and

489
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Speaker 1: patted him on the shoulder and made it a point

490
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Speaker 1: to tell the press how important Tyler Boyd was to

491
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Speaker 1: him and to the media. I don't think. I don't.

492
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen that probably since the days of Willie Anderson.

493
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Speaker 1: That was great leadership by a guy. And it was

494
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Speaker 1: absolutely what he said was at first of all what

495
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Speaker 1: he said was absolutely true about Tyler, but the fact

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Speaker 1: that he would do that, take the time to do it.

497
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Speaker 1: Then he said it again, and he repeated it for

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Speaker 1: us in the media because some of us weren't there

499
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Speaker 1: when it happened, but he did it, but he repeated himself,

500
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Speaker 1: and it was a I just thought it was I think,

501
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Speaker 1: other than Joe Wincing when he threw the touchdown pass

502
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Speaker 1: that against Baltimore, the Browning Tyler Boyd wore when I

503
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Speaker 1: think that's take that home.

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Speaker 2: That was really good stuff. And I don't remember or

505
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Speaker 2: anything quite like that either. For Jake Browning to interrupt

506
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Speaker 2: a Tyler Boyd session with reporters to basically say hey,

507
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Speaker 2: before he continues, I want to tell you how awesome

508
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Speaker 2: this guy is. That was really cool.

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Speaker 1: It was just throwing a Willie Anderson moment when Rudy

510
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Speaker 1: Johnson had a breakout game and this is back in

511
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Speaker 1: I think three maybe, and PJ was saying, Rudy Johnson

512
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Speaker 1: to the interview room. Rudy Johnson in the interview room,

513
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Speaker 1: and Willie Anderson said, wait a minute. He held up

514
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Speaker 1: a finger and said, wait minute, listen to that. Rudy

515
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Speaker 1: Johnson to the interview room. How about that? This is

516
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Speaker 1: a guy that's paid his dues and he's Willie went

517
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Speaker 1: into a thing on Rudy, which was really good.

518
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Speaker 2: My favorite moment. This one's a little bit selfish, but

519
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Speaker 2: it was the San Francisco win and the entire day

520
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Speaker 2: for me. Because the night before the Bearcats played at

521
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Speaker 2: Oklahoma State Stillwater, Oklahoma. I was scheduled to fly the

522
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Speaker 2: next morning from Oklahoma City, which is about an hour away,

523
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Speaker 2: through Denver to get the same Jose for the game.

524
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Speaker 2: There was a snowstorm in Denver. I had to change

525
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Speaker 2: my plans at the last minute fly through Dallas, got

526
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Speaker 2: like two hours sleep. I was totally panicked I was

527
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Speaker 2: going to miss the game and get fired. Thankfully, the

528
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Speaker 2: second arrangement worked out. I got to San Jose hopped

529
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Speaker 2: in an uber, feeling triumphant, and then I think the

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Speaker 2: uber driver intentionally left me like miles away because he

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Speaker 2: didn't want to deal with game day traffic. So there

532
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Speaker 2: I am with my suitcase and my you know, my backpack,

533
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: miles from the stadium, schlepping through tailgates and stuff to

534
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: get there.

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Speaker 1: But I got to the booth about.

536
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 2: Ten minutes before the start of the pregame show. And

537
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 2: then it was an awesome day. The weather was spectacular,

538
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 2: the Bengals were spectacular. Burrow completed almost ninety percent of

539
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Speaker 2: his passes passer rating over one point thirty. Joe Mixon

540
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: had one hundred and ten combined yards, Chase had ten

541
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Speaker 2: catches in one hundred yards. So it's just a tremendous day.

542
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 2: And thankfully I made it in time. So that was

543
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Speaker 2: my favorite moment of the year.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was that. I didn't realize it

545
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: was that intense. That's ah, they would never fire one

546
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: of the great voices in Bengals history.

547
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: I hope I don't give him reason too. No, that

548
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 2: was no.

549
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Speaker 1: I think you had a good year to Hoardy, by

550
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: the way. I think it was, and I know because

551
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Speaker 1: I listened to all the why I'm watching the game,

552
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: I listened to the broadcast. It's ah, it gets harder

553
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,239
Speaker 1: and harder to call these games because the flags are

554
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: dropping and uh things are being replayed and it's not

555
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: it's not as easy to uh, not as easy to

556
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: call a game as it was once was with Gil

557
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: Santos and uh the great and the great Uh Vaughan,

558
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: you're your guy in uh Buffy h Van Miller, Van Miller,

559
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: I want to say von Miller, but uh, he's in

560
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: Buffalo too. Yeah. It was a little it was a

561
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: little deep bit easy easier back then, and they were great.

562
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Speaker 1: But it's uh it's hard.

563
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: Now, man, all right, your low point of the season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it had to be, uh, I I I think

565
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Speaker 1: it was probably uh it might have been the Pittsburgh

566
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: game here maybe because that seems so winnable. But I

567
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: think it has to go back to the ball. I

568
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: think it just goes back to the Burrough getting hurt.

569
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Speaker 1: I mean, you got it, and I don't know I

570
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: remember that the training camp day. Did he get hurt.

571
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: That was that was I don't think I've ever felt

572
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: that bad in July since I got a somber And

573
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: you know, that wasn't. That wasn't. That wasn't. That wasn't

574
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: a great feeling either. And then and then the Baltimore thing,

575
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: and then of course the ride, you know, the flight home,

576
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: and it's one of those late night primetime games in

577
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: a row you're a zombie, and then you realize Burrows

578
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: out that was you know, I could have I could have.

579
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: I think we all could have done without that.

580
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be very specific. It's the same thing. But

581
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: it was seeing the replay of Burrow on the sideline

582
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: trying to throw a pass, just a soft toss to

583
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: test his wrist, and he couldn't even do that. You know,

584
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: he's in excruciating pain because none of us realized when

585
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Speaker 2: he threw the touchdown pass to Mixing that that was

586
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: it because we were watching the ball, Joe makes the catch,

587
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: he goes into the end zone. We're all fired up. Meanwhile,

588
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: Oburrow's experience this pain. And we later saw that replay

589
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: as well. But when we saw that replay of him

590
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: on the sideline trying to throw and being unable to

591
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: it brought back the words of Jim McKay in Munich.

592
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: Our worst fears have been realized, and not as serious circumstances, obviously,

593
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 2: But at that point we probably all thought the season

594
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: was over, and thanks to Jake Browning, it wasn't. They

595
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Speaker 2: got to the next to last game of the regular

596
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: season with a chance. Thanks to him and obviously his teammates.

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Speaker 1: Four and three. He went four and three. If it

598
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Speaker 1: was the World Series, they wouldn't won it. But no,

599
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: I mean he was, I mean he was. I thought

600
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Speaker 1: he was terrific. He was, you know, even in some

601
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Speaker 1: and all. I thought he was terrific in Kansas City.

602
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: Really he was running and making plays. And you know,

603
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: you gotta remember, it's just not that he came off

604
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: the bench, and he came off the bench in the

605
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Speaker 1: middle of a playoff run where they had a legitimate chance.

606
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: Nobody in Bengal's histories then that when Blake came off

607
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: the bench, they were owing, they were owing seven. You know, uh,

608
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: you know, when Turk came off the bench, it was

609
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: early in the year. You know, this guy I got.

610
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: No Bengals backup quarterback has come in in the playoff

611
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 1: run and got him there. I guess you could say, uh,

612
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: his fulsome soulmate Virgil Carter. But because Virgil, but because

613
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: because but Virgil really was you know, he and Sam

614
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: Weish were kind of early in the year were alternating

615
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: and then Virgil Virgil get the job. But you know,

616
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: nobody O there. I mean, that's that's that's the thing

617
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: is is the pressure that the pressure endured, and it's

618
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: the it's the great American story. You know, he was

619
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: this far away from maybe being a being an offensive

620
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: assistant at Sacramento State, you know, but he get the

621
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Speaker 1: call here and here he is and.

622
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: None of those other guys had to wait for four

623
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Speaker 2: years to get their chance, which added to the miracle.

624
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Speaker 2: Who is your team? M v P?

625
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Speaker 1: You know people are gonna, you know, they're gonna say,

626
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: you know, in my heart, I want to say mixing

627
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: because you know, he did every I mean, really he was.

628
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: He He caught the ball, he ran the ball, he

629
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: went for one thousand yards. He didn't you know, he

630
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: didn't get a hundred yard game until late. He gets

631
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: criticized because he doesn't have explosive plays, and I understand that,

632
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: but the guy never you know, he never fumbles most

633
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: of the time. He'll get you forty yards. He'll keep

634
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Speaker 1: y on schedule. He makes you know he won the

635
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: he won the Minnesota game. He's he's, he's, he's, he's

636
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Speaker 1: in the backfield. And if I haven't, if i've in

637
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: pace makes that tackle. Seasons, you know that they're done,

638
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: they're out, and he wills himself to stand up, you know,

639
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: and get in there and score. I think he had

640
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: twelve touchdowns.

641
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: You know, one four hundred and ten combined yards rushing

642
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 2: and receiving in twelve touchdowns. That's the quietest fourteen hundred

643
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: yard twelve touchdown season in history.

644
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think you know you get but

645
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: then you know my height, says Mixing. But I also

646
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: you know, my eyes also say Chase. You know, JAMAI

647
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: Chase in the guts of that when Browning first, you know,

648
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: when when Joe was just getting into shape, and then

649
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: when Browning came in, Chase was a beast. Remember, and

650
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: then he get hurt. And when he get hurt, things

651
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: kind of felt. Remember they lost they lost their two

652
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: games right when he when he when he get hurt,

653
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: and uh, Kansas City and Pittsburgh. He didn't play in

654
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and he was he was hurting against Kansas City. Really,

655
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, kudos to him for strapping it up and playing.

656
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: But you know, if he's healthy, you wonder how how

657
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: that was because he I mean, he had he had

658
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: ten I think he had u he had he had

659
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: a five one hundred yard games and one morning ties

660
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: him for the you know, that's a quiet that was

661
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: a quiet five you know, five one hundred yard games too.

662
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: So I don't know, you could probably take your pick

663
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: Jama or Joe, but I you know, I think either

664
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: one will be on it, and we'll throw in.

665
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson on the defensive end, seventeen and a half sacks,

666
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: seventy nine pressures. According to Pro Football Focus, he came

667
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: out as their sixth best pass rusher among edge guys

668
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 2: this year in the NFL. Miles Garrett, Michael Parsons, Nick Bosa,

669
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: TJ Watt, Aiden Hutchinson, and then Trey Hendrickson, which is

670
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 2: great company. And I'm not in the building all that

671
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: often in the off season, especially these months, you know,

672
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: when they're not well. I have been the last couple

673
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: of years, thankfully, but February March, when the guys for

674
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 2: the most part aren't in the building unless they're here rehabbing.

675
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 2: But last year, any time I came down here, Trey

676
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: Hendrickson was here. I came down here, and it's either

677
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: like a Monday or a Tuesday. It was right after

678
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: Florida Atlantic, his alma mater, had played in the Elite

679
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: eight at Madison Square Garden. He was at the game

680
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: and the next day he's down here working out, and

681
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, I just saw you on TV at Madison

682
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: Square Garden yesterday. So his one track mind obsession with

683
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 2: being the best pass rusher that he can possibly be

684
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: is truly incredible.

685
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: If his wife's working, he's here and and his wife's

686
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: he is a pharmacist and works, and so he's you know,

687
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: he just buckles it up, comes down here, waits for

688
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: her to get home, leaves, you know. I mean, the

689
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: guys all the guy is all football all the time.

690
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: One of the more interesting guys you'll come across, you know,

691
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: he's uh I remember I talked to him. I did

692
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: a conversation with him, and uh. Sim Hubbard said, oh, well,

693
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: you guys are friends now, right, And Henders he goes.

694
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, I don't know, yeh, I said,

695
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: I said, I think we are, but I think he's

696
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: a little reluctant about it. But no, he's a he's

697
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: a he's he's a very intriguing guy, interesting guy, spark guy,

698
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: reflective and uh, I'm glad we got him, so am I.

699
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: How about your Rookie of the Year?

700
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's gotta be uh Jordan battle I think,

701
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: doesn't it have to be? I think he went from

702
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: got a battlefield promotion from personal protector. He's having a

703
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: pretty good run as a personal protector and an all

704
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: Special Teams every man for Darren Simmons, and then when

705
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: Lou decided to put him in the stating lineup, I

706
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: thought he was really got better as he went. I

707
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: think he kind of caught DJ Turner. I think DJ Turner,

708
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: I think had a really good, you know, had a

709
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: really good start to what he was doing. I think

710
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: he might have hit a little bit of a wall,

711
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 1: but I think DJ Turner had a very good rookie

712
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: year too, when you take the big picture of it.

713
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: I think he struggled a little bit at the at

714
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 1: the end. But I think he's going to be. I

715
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: think Turner's going to be a terrific player. I think

716
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: he's going to be a very good corner in the league.

717
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: And I think, like I said, I think Battle can

718
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: give them a little bit of von Bellion knowledge and

719
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: stability back there. You know, the more experience he gets,

720
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: I think he's a very mature, very mature playoff.

721
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 2: I'm with you on Jordan Battle, so his pro football focus.

722
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 2: Among the Bengals defensive players who had a legitimate number

723
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: of snaps this year, he graded out number one higher

724
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: than Trey, higher than DJ Reider, higher than Mike Hilton.

725
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: We all had very good years. That's pretty incredible. I

726
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 2: know PFF isn't the be all end all, but it

727
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 2: certainly looks like the Bengals struck at Rich Considering he

728
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: was a late third round pick ninety fifth overall. I

729
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: think they thought of him more like an early second

730
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 2: round kind of guy, and that's the way he played

731
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 2: as a rookie. I'll throw in honorable mention honors to

732
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: andre Yosi Vash. The overall numbers aren't great, but he

733
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: did have four touchdown catches for an IVY League guy

734
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 2: who never took part in spring football because he was

735
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: working on the pole, vault and the shot put. Troy

736
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: Walters is a tremendous wide receivers coach. I think, with

737
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: his training, andre Yosi Vash is going to turn out

738
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: to be a very productive NFL player.

739
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think he's more than a fourth receiver. I

740
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: really do. I think he could be. I don't know

741
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: what kind of a steady diet of a third guy,

742
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: but I think he can be a very I think

743
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: he can really contribute. I think he can catch, you know,

744
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: thirty forty balls a year, I would think, particularly in

745
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: a red I think he's a weapon. I think also too,

746
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: I think I think Miles Murphy kind of kind of

747
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: for rookies, kind of snuck in there at the end,

748
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 1: and he seemed to be improving as he went, which

749
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 1: I think, which I think is encouraging obviously, because you know,

750
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: I think he was had trouble I think getting into

751
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: a rhythm early. But he's a rookie. He's just he's

752
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: just learned, and I think he the more snaps you got,

753
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: I think the better he got. And I think that's

754
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: a good sign too.

755
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 2: All right, let's do a couple of looking ahead topics.

756
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow to the news conference this week and May

757
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 2: headlines with this statement, I expect T to be back.

758
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: Is Joe Burrow right?

759
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: He always is right? I mean, I don't know. I

760
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: I I that's a tough one. That's a tough call there.

761
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: I know they want Higgins badly. I also know the

762
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 1: numbers are daunting when you're flowing jamat Chase and Burrows.

763
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: What Chase is going to get and what Burrow already

764
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: is getting. Yeah, I think you know, but I you know,

765
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: they also there's the option of the franchise tag. You

766
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: have to look at that. But like I said, Joe

767
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: seems pretty confident. I I you know, uh, I think

768
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: T is. I think T likes it here. I think

769
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: he wants to stay here. I I think, you know,

770
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: I know that some might say, well, I want to

771
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: get out from Chase's shadows. Some might say that, But

772
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: I don't get that. I don't get that vibe from T.

773
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: I think he knows what he's got in Burrow. Burrow

774
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: and he came in together. I think there's a certain

775
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: chemistry there, a certain bond. I think he knows that

776
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: Jam makes him better, you know, and that he makes

777
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: Jama better. So I don't know. I think, uh, you know,

778
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: we'll see. Do they end up using the tag? Who knows.

779
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: But people seem to be confident that we'll be back.

780
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: And I you know, I got to take Burrow at

781
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: his word. He's certainly I know that. I don't know

782
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: if he's coming back, but I certainly know this. He's

783
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: been a huge piece of what has gone on here.

784
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he is a you know, like I keep saying, man,

785
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: when he goes up for a ball that's like a

786
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: Bill Russell Game seven rebound. He's coming down with it,

787
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: you know, about as well as anybody's I've seen. And so,

788
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just as I'm always amazed. There's two

789
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: guys I'm always amazed at when I look at when

790
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: I'm around them all the time, but I'm always stunned

791
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: when I see them up close. Burrow he's always taller

792
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: than I think he is. And then t is just

793
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: a massive guy. And then you look at you turn

794
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: it and then you watch what he does on the

795
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: tape and wow, you know, he is just's he's quite

796
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: a player.

797
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: He's a monster. Joe said what he said. Then Zach

798
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 2: Taylor said it's hard to imagine life without Tea. I

799
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 2: don't think they're going to have to imagine it this year.

800
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 2: I do think the franchise tag seems most likely. He

801
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: would be twenty one point seven mil, which is obviously

802
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: a lot of money, but the Burrow contract doesn't really

803
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: hurt until the following year. It's structured in such a

804
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: way that this coming year they'll still have some maneuverability.

805
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: I think they can fit that in. Jamar Chase is

806
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 2: probably going to be looking at more like thirty million

807
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: dollars a year, which is incredible for a wide receiver.

808
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: But if anybody deserves it, he does. I think they

809
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: keep the band together as long as they can under

810
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 2: the cap, and to me, that feels like a franchise

811
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: tag for Tea. But we'll see. They've got until March

812
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 2: fifth to figure it out.

813
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: Man, does Boyd come back to the Higgins comes back?

814
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: Does Tyler come back?

815
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 2: Well, that's our next topic. All right, here we go.

816
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 2: T is not the only prominent free agent. You also

817
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 2: have alphabetically Chidabeo, Wouje, Tyler, Boyd, DJ Reader, Jonah Williams.

818
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 2: There are others, but we'll concentrate on those four rate

819
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: in order of likelihood, which guy will be back Cheetoh, Tyler, DJ, Jonah.

820
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: That's a tough one night, probably, I mean DJ, maybe

821
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: because I don't know what his injury will do to

822
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: his bracket value or how other teams view him. I

823
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, um selfishly, you'd love to have DJ back.

824
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: You talked to him for you know, one of your

825
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: great podcast, great interview with him about and we've talked

826
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: to people ad nauseum here about what he means to

827
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: his team. There's no question about it. Coaches, players, you know,

828
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: the outpouring when he get hurt. I mean the guy

829
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,959
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean look like I mean, his walker

830
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: looked like a funeral home with all the you know,

831
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: balloons and the gifts and whatever. I know, the social

832
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: media content team was they had some nice cards and

833
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: stuff for him because he's been so helpful. So, I

834
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: you know, how does that play into what? You know?

835
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: A right tackle trying to keep Jonan Williams around is

836
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: a right tackle who proved he can play right tackle.

837
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: He can also play left tackle. Had a pretty good year.

838
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: He's on the top one hundred free agent lists. He

839
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: might be tough to to bring back when you're playing,

840
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: you know, or when you're playing the let when you're

841
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: paying the left tackle as much as you and I,

842
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to pay corners. You got a

843
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: woozy a up. But O Cheeto is is is Uh,

844
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: he's coming off his own injuries, you know, so does

845
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: that what? How are other teams going to view him?

846
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: That's a question. But I just think it's it's tough

847
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: to keep these guys. I mean, it's just it's hard

848
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: to Uh, it's hard to imagine life without them. But

849
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: that is life, you know, with us, what happens when

850
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: you do well and you know all these good players

851
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: and you uh, you know you just talked about te

852
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: Chase and Burrow, right, well, where do those other I mean,

853
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: it's going to be hard to fit in any of

854
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 1: those guys.

855
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: Right here is my order of likelihood. Most likely DJ Reader.

856
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: It's really unfortunate, but I do agree that the injury

857
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: made it more likely he turns thirty over the summer.

858
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 2: The Bengals are historically hesitant to give long term deals

859
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: to guys in their thirties, and that's probably smart, but

860
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: somebody would have somebody out there would have given DJ

861
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: Reader like a four year deal or something like that,

862
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 2: and he's a great player. I understand why another team

863
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: might have done that. With the injury, that becomes less likely.

864
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 2: He's probably looking at a shorter deal with incentives and

865
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 2: all things being equal, I think the Bengals become one

866
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: of the better options for DJ reader. He likes it here.

867
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: He knows he'd have a chance to win a Super Bowl.

868
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 2: They've already paid him fifty three million bucks, so there's

869
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: some loyalty there. So again I would put him at

870
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 2: the top of the list for most likely. I guess

871
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 2: number two I would go Boyd. Having said that, I

872
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: don't think it's likely. We saw on Monday, the day

873
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 2: after the final game of the year, he exchanged signed

874
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: jerseys with Chase and Higgins. It was kind of a

875
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: sad moment to see that happening. And even when Joe

876
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 2: Burrow was asked about him, he didn't say I expect

877
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: Boyd back, you know, he kind of spoke about Boyd

878
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: for all he's met with kind of a tone that

879
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 2: he expe to be gone. Now. Maybe the market isn't

880
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: as good for a nine year vet who's going to

881
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 2: be thirty next year as he hopes and that brings

882
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 2: him back to Cincinnati. Obviously, if the Bengals could keep

883
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 2: him at a reasonable price, I'm sure they would love

884
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: to have them. So I'll put him number two on

885
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: the list. But again, I don't think it's especially likely

886
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 2: in a Wouoja's case because of the injury and he

887
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 2: didn't have a great year this year. He's probably looking

888
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: at something of a prove it type deal for a

889
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: year or two. I think under those circumstances, he's going

890
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: to want to try to prove it at a place

891
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 2: where he's pretty much guaranteed to start, and I don't

892
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 2: think that'll be here. I think they're probably looking at

893
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: Cam Taylor, Britt and DJ Turner as the starting outside corners.

894
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: They'd love to have Cheetoh as a third guy. You

895
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 2: need more than two. But from his perspective, if it's

896
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 2: going to be a prove it contract, he's probably going

897
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: to want to try to prove it where they say, oh,

898
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: you are definitely going to be one of our starters.

899
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 2: And then I would put Jonah in the fourth spot

900
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: because I think he's positioned himself to be one of

901
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 2: the top free agent tackles available. Pro Football Focus graded

902
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 2: him number sixty three out of eighty nine, which had

903
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 2: enough snaps to qualify, which you know doesn't sound very good,

904
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: but I thought he was very solid this year. I

905
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 2: think you can win with Jonah Williams at either left

906
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 2: tackle or right tackle. The Bengals have correct but Pro

907
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: Football Focus also does these contract you know, predictions or whatever,

908
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: what they think he's likely to get. They project four years,

909
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: sixty four mil. That's what the Bengals are paying Orlando

910
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: Brown Junior, a four time Pro Bowler who graded out

911
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: much better according to PFF than Jonah did this year.

912
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: So if that's the case, I think he's likely to

913
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 2: get that that kind of deal somewhere else in Cincinnati.

914
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't. I mean, I don't think he can

915
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: pay two tackle You can't pay two tackles at particularly

916
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: what your wide receivers are.

917
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 2: Right on this organization, I don't think he can with

918
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: the likelihood that you're going to try to get a

919
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: long term deal done with one of the highest paid

920
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 2: wide receivers in the game. What is their number one

921
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 2: priority in the off season?

922
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: Great question. I guess if we're talking players, are we

923
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: talking players or if we're talking uh fixes.

924
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 2: Open ended question.

925
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I probably I think get the defense fixed

926
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 1: and they have to figure out if that's personnel or scheme. Uh.

927
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: And then I think beyond that, I think it's uh,

928
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, I think they got to shore up their

929
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: corner you know, their cornerback depth. I think probably they

930
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: could attack They got to attack their defensive line depth

931
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean, you know, we're talking about

932
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: dj H they don't have they don't have them on

933
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: the contract, so they have to I think they have

934
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: to attack that, uh, you know, some inside people and uh,

935
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: you know, I think, uh, you might have to tackle

936
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: the right time. You know, where do you get your

937
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: right tackle? You know, we've just said that we thought

938
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: we don't think Jonas coming back, so you know, historically

939
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: you got to go get that guy early, you know.

940
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: So I think probably if you're looking at positions, I think,

941
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: you know, you're probably looking corner depth, nose tackle, three

942
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 1: technique depth from the probably tackle.

943
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 2: The number one off season priority is Wristwatch Joe Burrow's wrist.

944
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 2: They've got to make sure that they do everything right

945
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 2: in terms of getting him healthy and keeping him healthy

946
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 2: until the start of the season. Wouldn't that be nice?

947
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 2: If he was able to not only recover from risk surgery,

948
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: but go through a normal training camp and be able

949
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 2: to play in the opener without having.

950
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: A house arrested.

951
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: But you know, a second off season priority, in my opinion,

952
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 2: is something that you brought up when you spoke with

953
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor and one of your conversations that you had

954
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: in megals dot com, and that is getting off to

955
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 2: a better start. It's the one thing that has been

956
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: pretty much lousy in his five year tenure, with the

957
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 2: exception of the Super Bowl year. The first few weeks

958
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: of the season. I went to his first year, I

959
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 2: went to his second year, one in one his third year,

960
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 2: and three in one that year that was the year

961
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 2: they went to the Super Bowl. Oh into a year

962
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 2: four they overcame it got to the AFC Championship Game.

963
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: Oh into this year. That's one and nine in the

964
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 2: first two weeks of a five year stretch. And I

965
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: was happy to hear him say when you talk to

966
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 2: him about it, that they do need to really look

967
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: hard at what they've done and try to determine what

968
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: they can change to get off to a faster start.

969
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: You know, it's a balance, and so I get back

970
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: to what we're saying, a balance. I mean, because he's

971
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: very Zach is very aware, and I agree with him

972
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: on this, because the season is so long and you

973
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: know you've got it, you can't you can't, you can't

974
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: run these guys had in the spring and in training

975
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: camp can't do it.

976
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: They don't want to do it.

977
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: For one thing, you know, it's an it's the the

978
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: era of the era of the haid nosed. You know,

979
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: training camps is and and regimens is over because it's

980
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: a and I think for a variety of reasons. Main

981
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: thing is just too damn long to keep pounding these guys.

982
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: So he's gotta but you also have to be ready.

983
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: Right now, I would say it, there's a big cave

984
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: yeat with what what is that one? What did they

985
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: have that one year? In twenty twenty one, they had

986
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow who actually went through he didn't go through

987
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: all of training camp because he was coming back from

988
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: a rehab, but he went through most of it, right

989
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: and they were three and one. So if I'm Zach Taylor,

990
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: you gotta, you know, you got to say, you know,

991
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: you got to balance it. They've been very good in

992
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: November December right now, they ran into obviously they ran

993
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: into problems this year, but they didn't have Burrow. But

994
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: when they've had Borrow, they've been you know, I think

995
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: before this November stretch they were like fourteen and they

996
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: were like thirteen and four in November and December and

997
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 1: January games, which says they're doing something right in getting

998
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: ready for it. So you gotta do you panic and say,

999
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 1: you know, do you panic can say you can change

1000
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: it up? Or do you step back and say, Okay,

1001
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: we didn't have Burrow, we do have to do a

1002
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: few things differently, and they will and it's built in

1003
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: because it's not like the previous two years where they

1004
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: were so deep into February. So I think, you know,

1005
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: Zach's Zach and Joey Bose his strength coach, they got

1006
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: a real good handle on this, on this stuff, and

1007
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 1: I'm pretty confident that they'll they'll they'll figure out what

1008
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: they're what they're doing. And the big thing to me is,

1009
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, how do you keep Borrow healthy? What do

1010
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: you do? Do you give them maybe do you give

1011
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: them days off in training camp? I mean, what do

1012
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: you you know, what do you do? Because I'm all

1013
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 1: in Forze, you got to get to the gate. Marvin

1014
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: Lewis was good at getting these guys to the gate too,

1015
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: even though he you know, if you compare the training

1016
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: camps and Pe like the Marines, and you know, but

1017
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: it's but it's a different era and it's a different game.

1018
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 1: But both Zach and Barber we're very good at getting

1019
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: their guys to the gate in their era of football.

1020
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: They both knew it was important, and so I just

1021
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's fascinating to look at to

1022
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: look at it because I think Zach's got a really

1023
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: good grip on it. I think his record in the

1024
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: big games shows that proves that that he's getting them

1025
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,959
Speaker 1: ready for the big ones. And you can argue, look,

1026
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: they had they were good enough in November December. This time,

1027
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: they didn't win enough games, but they had enough people

1028
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: with their backup quarterback to almost make it.

1029
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 2: I think all of that is true. And I am

1030
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 2: certainly not calling for the return of the Forest Greg era.

1031
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: In That's what I told them. I said, I said, look,

1032
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm not looking you to go with double sessions here

1033
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: in morning and afternoon.

1034
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 2: A goal line drill on the first day of training, camp.

1035
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 2: But I do think they've got to do something differently,

1036
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: and I don't even really specifically have an answer for

1037
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 2: what that something is. But there are a lot of

1038
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 2: smart people here the coaching staff, Duke Tobin, Mike Brown's

1039
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 2: been in pro football for sixty plus years. They've got

1040
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 2: to have a meeting of the minds to say, all right,

1041
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 2: maybe we need to do this a little differently, and

1042
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: this a little differently so that we can avoid losses

1043
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 2: that are just as costly in September as they are

1044
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: in October, November, December. At the end, it's how many

1045
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: win and how many you lose, And if you're constantly

1046
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 2: starting zero to two, you put yourself off in a

1047
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 2: hole that yeah, maybe you recover and make it to

1048
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 2: the playoffs. But maybe that's the difference between being the

1049
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 2: number one seed and having a couple of home games

1050
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 2: as your path to go to New Orleans and the

1051
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 2: Super Bowl next year.

1052
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: The guy Zach's philosophy that is that probably mirrors more

1053
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: than anybody's, probably Paul Brown's. Paul Brown was was kind

1054
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: of at the vanguard of this. He was seen as

1055
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: as different because he kept he kept it light, he

1056
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: kept it brisk, he kept it short. He didn't want

1057
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 1: to get his guys beat up. And it's really kind

1058
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: of funny how it's kind of come full circle. And uh,

1059
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: you know with what Zach is doing. So I think, uh,

1060
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 1: Zach's kind of get history on his side because Pebe

1061
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 1: for the most part had some pretty good teams. People

1062
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: forget his last team he had here win eleven and three,

1063
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: you know, and uh so I I uh, you know,

1064
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: it's a famous story of uh the uh when Kenny Anderson.

1065
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: This is back in a whole different time of football,

1066
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: when the starters played every preseason game, you know. But

1067
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: even that then in seventy eight, I know, there was

1068
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 1: some hope. And when they went to the at halftime

1069
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,439
Speaker 1: at the last preseason game, boy, I hope he maybe

1070
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: sits Kenny, you know, and for the second half. And

1071
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: Kenny came out and played the first series and broke

1072
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: his hand on a helmet and the season was lost. So,

1073
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 1: like I say, Zach's got a Zach. Zach and PB

1074
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: are on the same page there all, right.

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00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 2: Final topic, and this is one where it's great to

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00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 2: have you on as a guest. The possibility of Willie

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00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 2: Anderson being selected for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

1078
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: You've got a meeting coming up soon. What's the next step.

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00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: I wish he just had a better presenter, he'd have

1080
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: a better shot. No, I think his chances get better

1081
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 1: every year. I think he's an attractive candidate. I've heard

1082
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: that from a lot of This is his third trip

1083
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: to the finals, and I think Willie just more and

1084
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 1: more that we present his case. It just grows on people.

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00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: You know, it's an indisputable case, you know, hope going

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00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: in there. I'm with some pro football focus, not only

1087
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: pro football focused stats, but Mike Giddings, an old school

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00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: pro scout who many teams, including the Bengals use so

1089
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: new school, old school stats, quotes from people like Bill

1090
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: cow and Ozzie Newsome, teams that had to play him

1091
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: twice a year in the division. Willie's case makes itself,

1092
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, so, and I think it's growing on people. Unfortunately,

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00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: I think it takes time. For Tony Boselli was in

1094
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: front of the committee six times, so you know, I

1095
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: think it's we'll see what happens. I you know, I

1096
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: think you know, there's no it's also probably you know,

1097
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: not only is it. You know, there's only two Bengals

1098
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: in the Hall, but there's only I don't think there's

1099
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: been a right tackle elected to the Hall in about

1100
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: twenty years so, and I think that's part of the

1101
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: agumen is look the left, you know, the great pass

1102
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: rusher are now on either side of the ball. If

1103
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: you look at Willy, at one time or another played

1104
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: ten of the top twelve sackers, you know, and at

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00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: one time or the other. Now, as Willy evolved and

1106
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: the game evolved, a lot of guys switch sides. But

1107
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: a lot of guys who would have been you know,

1108
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: the athleticism has moved. You didn't have just one athletic

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00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: guy rushing the batch. You had two three and they

1110
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 1: were over both tackles. So that's part of it. And

1111
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's that's that's something that's

1112
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: beginning to take hold. Yeah, I mean right tackles or

1113
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: tackles too.

1114
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 2: How sophisticated are these presentations? Is there video? Do you

1115
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 2: have a like a folder, you know, glossy pictures? How

1116
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 2: is that done?

1117
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just there's no video. It's I'll have a

1118
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: brochure that I'll hand out to the folks, but it's

1119
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: basically you know, I'll speak for five minutes and that

1120
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: a limit. Yeah, it's a five minute limit. And then

1121
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: you'll you know, and then you know, the others will

1122
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: speak for him, others on the committee. He will be discussed,

1123
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: he'll be debated. Then with the other fourteen modern era candidates.

1124
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: Each guy is voted on. Each guy has to get

1125
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: eighty percent of the vote. So we'll at the end

1126
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: if he makes it to the if he makes it

1127
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: to the end. So it's uh, you know, it gets

1128
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: it goes from a cut, it gets cut from fifteen

1129
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: to ten and then to five. So it's uh, it's

1130
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: always a This is the first time we've met. It's

1131
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: the first time we've met in persons since twenty nineteen,

1132
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: so no since twenty twenty. It's the first time since

1133
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, so because we met before the pandemic. But

1134
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: so it'll be it'll be Uh, it's always interesting. It's

1135
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: a draining day. It's important. It's one of the you know,

1136
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: it's a big responsibility to be entrusted with. It's important.

1137
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: It's uh, you know, it's uh, you know, they say

1138
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: it can change people's lives, so you take that responsibility,

1139
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: you know, take that it's ability.

1140
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: Seriously, Willie's case is in great hands. He helped Ken

1141
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 2: Riley make it to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

1142
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: I know that Willy's going to have his case presented

1143
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 2: beautifully next week. And best of luck and helping to

1144
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 2: convince that crew that he is worthy of inclusion in

1145
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 2: the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

1146
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: It's very kind of you to say. I told Willie today,

1147
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: I said, it's going to be like when you met

1148
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: with brat Kowski and he told you the Tuesday before

1149
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: you played Peppers, you're gonna have to take her more

1150
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: on one And Willie looked at eight plays on the

1151
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: film and said, don't worry, bratt I got it. So

1152
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: that's what I told Willie. That's what I told Willie today.

1153
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 2: Well, you're right, you do have it. You're going to

1154
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 2: be great. Best of luck with that, and thanks so

1155
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 2: much for your time. It's always pleasure, Hordy.

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00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,360
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1158
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,720
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1159
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