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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of My Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Get Everything. So don't don't welcome to the Worst

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Speaker 1: Year Ever, except for everything's better now and everybody is happy,

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Speaker 1: and we solved all of our problems. Um, and that's

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Speaker 1: the end of the whole series. My mom My mom

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Speaker 1: My mom incorrectly called our show best Year Ever when

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Speaker 1: I was on the phone with her yesterday and I

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Speaker 1: started laughing. She didn't realize what she said, and then

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Speaker 1: I think about that. Yeah, that's what we did. We

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Speaker 1: fixed it, So that's what it is. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: if everything is the absolute worst and then we fix it,

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Speaker 1: then it's no longer the worst, it's the best. It's

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Speaker 1: the best year ever. A right, everyone, we're done, go home.

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Speaker 1: Well you're already home, but yeah, I gotta day there

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Speaker 1: because of them. You can't leave you here. We might

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Speaker 1: as well talk for an hour, and some of you

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Speaker 1: are probably on the verge of homelessness now due to

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Speaker 1: the economic collapse. Should we talk about Joe Biden? Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about the election at the very least. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: didn't anything about Joe Biden. I feel like it's been

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Speaker 1: forever since we've talked about politics, because politics has been

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Speaker 1: hard to care about. It is. It's so weird. I mean, well,

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Speaker 1: you you were taking a much needed break last week

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Speaker 1: and we chatted with Dave Kim from California's district and

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Speaker 1: that was a taste of it. But you know, there's

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Speaker 1: something hopeful in in Dave Kim, the Dave Kim conversation. Um,

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Speaker 1: whereas you know, everything about the election in general feels

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Speaker 1: very bleak. Um, but it's time. It's important. It's what

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Speaker 1: we originally set show, right, Um. Yeah, and uh as

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Speaker 1: much as um, it seems like the current president is

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Speaker 1: really um, a disaster that everybody hates, and that his

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Speaker 1: opponent is um, you know, Hyden and Coast and doing well.

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Speaker 1: Try that. Yeah, I don't think he wants to announce

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Speaker 1: that he's doing Um. That's definitely like the plan, but

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's a it's good to say,

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Speaker 1: by the way, I'm like keeping I'm keeping a low profile. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's Biden his time still stuck on that one. When

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Speaker 1: we were brainstorming what to talk about, we considered doing

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Speaker 1: an episode that's deep dives and all the vice presidential candidates,

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Speaker 1: but we weren't sure when that information was going to

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Speaker 1: would make this Um, you know out day did immediately. Uh.

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Speaker 1: So instead we've broken it up into a few different components. Uh, Robert,

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Speaker 1: you wanted to talk about conventions. I love conventions. I

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Speaker 1: would love to learn about what you learned about conventions

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Speaker 1: when this all started, this podcast, and also politics. The

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Speaker 1: thing I was most excited about, Katie and Cody, the

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Speaker 1: thing that I had dreams about. I would wake up

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Speaker 1: at nights in a cold sweat, overcome with glee over

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Speaker 1: was taking all to the r n C in the DNC.

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Speaker 1: Because if you've never been to a political convention, they're terrible.

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Speaker 1: They're just the worst things people do is political conventions.

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Speaker 1: There's something so much less depressing about watching war crimes

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Speaker 1: because at least the war crimes involve a degree of

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Speaker 1: physical risk on behalf of the people committing crimes against humanity,

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Speaker 1: whereas political conventions are crimes against humanity that people get

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Speaker 1: And it's just it's they're just terrible. Um. And we

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Speaker 1: were going to go we're gonna watch the protests, and

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Speaker 1: It was going to be such bacteria, just like dripping

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Speaker 1: the things you get at a at a political convention.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm saying this, but I was looking

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Speaker 1: Robert was in town for Alive. Behind the bastard show,

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Speaker 1: Billy Way Davis and the primary vector by which the

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Speaker 1: coronavirus spread in last episode, I remember I have nightmared

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Speaker 1: about all of your dirty hands that I shook that night,

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, things continued to degenerate. UM. At one point

428
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Speaker 1: the plan was to have They started like coming up

429
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Speaker 1: with alternate plans for how to do a partly in

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Speaker 1: person convention, And they were trying to minimize the risk

431
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,239
Speaker 1: two people. But the plan they came up with just

432
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Speaker 1: would have risked people in multiple cities. So they had

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Speaker 1: this idea to open the convention with a convention in

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Speaker 1: with like a single night convention in Houston that would

435
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: be opened by Melania Trump UM, and then they would

436
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: have on the second night, a single night convention in

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Speaker 1: Indiana that would be opened by Vice President Mike Pence.

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Speaker 1: And then on the third night, President Trump would make

439
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: a speech in Jacksonville. So like they came up with,

440
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Speaker 1: what we do instead of a three night convention in

441
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Speaker 1: one state, what if we do three one night conventions. Yeah?

442
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: You spread it out like that, spread it out, You

443
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: just spread you spread it out that way. Uh, there's

444
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: more of it. Yeah, there's an amazing line in the

445
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: New York Times article about this quote. Proponents of that

446
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: plans had a roving convention could have been spun as

447
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: a powerful message about the country reopening everywhere, with the

448
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: bonus of avoiding a single, large, crowded gathering for full

449
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 1: full days in one city, and just amazing, Like, I

450
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: it's astonishing sound logic. I don't I can't believe how

451
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: dumb it all is. Um, but yeah, it and it

452
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: does seem like so obviously, eventually, like a week or

453
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 1: so ago, the President was like, all right, well we're

454
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 1: not gonna We're not gonna do it now. Now the

455
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,719
Speaker 1: Republicans are planning to do basically the same thing as

456
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: the Democrats, right, President Trump's going to give They're going

457
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 1: to have like a minimal sort of thing. They're they're

458
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: gonna start. They're gonna have one night in Jacksonville, where

459
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: there's again literally like a hundred or two hundred people

460
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: who do kind of the legally necessary voting ship, and

461
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: then Trump's going to give a speech in Jacksonville. No

462
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: press are going to be allowed, almost no people are

463
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,479
Speaker 1: going to be allowed. There's not going to be crowded

464
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: rooms of fans or anything. Um, and then it'll be over, um,

465
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: and we will continue to barely care about the election

466
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: as uh we fist fight police in the streets and

467
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: prepared to set up sniper traps for the landlords coming

468
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: to evict us. Um, it's gonna be a fun August

469
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: in September. What Jesus? Yeah, it really is almost energy speech.

470
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: I don't think it's really great. He's gonna that's gonna

471
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: be like a toss up between which one is more

472
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: painful to watch him or Biden's Like, they're gonna be like,

473
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: you can't feed if you can't feed off the energy

474
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: of a crowd. No, No, And that's what's great. And

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Speaker 1: I just based on the interview he recently gave to

476
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: that um was the Australian Journal. Yeah. My my assumption

477
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: is that his his acceptance speech is just going to

478
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: be ninety a spirited ninety minute defense of Gillen Maxwell. Um.

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00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah. Yeah, he's working on it now. He's

480
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: trying to get as much you know, just he he

481
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: pulls out a power point line by line, he's going

482
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: through like the charging documents. Here's why I wish her

483
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: well and then just keep wishing her well, it's going

484
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: to be a nightmare. It'll be a fascinating nightmare. Yeah.

485
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: Um so everything it's just gonna keep being bad. Um

486
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, but there's not going to be a convention,

487
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: and that's a bummer. That's a real bummer. I was

488
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: looking forward to taking you all. I was we were

489
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: starting to talk about inviting my my, my young photojournalist

490
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: friend Garrison, um before it became clear that, uh, there

491
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a convention. I was really looking forward to

492
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: endangering the life of a teenager as well as the

493
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: lives of my co hosts by going to Florida. Well,

494
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: a teenager is dancing dangerously close to being a child,

495
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: so well, we already established that they all deserve to

496
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: die from this. Back to school or back to the

497
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Speaker 1: you know, the convention or the other. Speaking of everything

498
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: being good, I wanted to talk a little bit about

499
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: mail in voting, you know, that sexy topic that's on

500
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: the front of everybody's minds. Um so do you guys,

501
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: do you remember when the president suggested that the election

502
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: be delayed and definitely yeah, remember that forever ago, but

503
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: it was days ago. Uh yeah, No, he did that

504
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: because of you know, the pandemic, even though, as we've

505
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: already mentioned, um, you know, kids would have to go

506
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: back to school. But no, we have to delay the

507
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: election anyway. After a lot of pressure from everybody, including

508
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: Republican leaders, Um, he's sort of abandoned that, uh and

509
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: pivoted to a new demand suggest question, that the election

510
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: be called on November three, even if millions of ballots

511
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: remain uncounted. This seems like something that couldn't possibly spark

512
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: massive violence nationwide. No, not possibly. He wouldn't want that.

513
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: That's not from him. I've got this quote. I've been

514
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: watching elections and they say the projected winner or the

515
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: winner of the election. I don't want to see that

516
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: take place in a week after number or after November three,

517
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: or a month or frankly, with litigation and with everything

518
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: else that can happen years. But let's be real here.

519
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: Millions of ballots will be uncounted on November. On November three.

520
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: There's many reasons for that, but one big one is

521
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: what is happening with the postal service? Right now? This

522
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: is where I talk a little bit about the postal service. Um,

523
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: so what is happening with the postal service? It's not good. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody is all aware of Trump's attacks on

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00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: the personal, on the postal service, his repeated claims that

526
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: they can't be trusted to deliver ballots. Uh. This is

527
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: all come at a time when the post Office was

528
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: already under extreme financial distress. Over the past ten years,

529
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: post offices have been closed. While they've been closed across

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00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: the country. UM. Rural mail delivery is stretched thin. Thousands

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00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: of post office workers positions have been a limit of

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00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: been cut. Uh. And this is of course, has been

533
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: exacerbated by the pandemic. UM. Yeah, thousands of postal workers

534
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: have taken emergency leave to quarantine after contracting the virus

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00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: or when they had to care for their children. Uh.

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00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: And these absences have led to a lot of delays

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00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: in mail delivery, especially in a lot of swing states

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00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: like Ohio and Michigan. The outgoing Postmaster General recently warned

539
00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: that without immediate intervention, they could run out of funds

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00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: within the year. I mean, they would have shut down,

541
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: which is just something so unfathomable. Of course, Trump's attacks

542
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: didn't start with the election on the post Office. That's

543
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: just let's be real, that's the latest tactic he's using

544
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: to so doubts in the whole process. But he's been

545
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: railing against the Post Office for years, primarily because of

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00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: their relationship with Amazon and Jeff Bezos. Um, they get

547
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: a discounted shipping contract uh from the Post Office. Um.

548
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: But that's all kind of you know, general information about

549
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: what's happening. But now let's talk about Louis to Joy. Uh,

550
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: who's the Trump donor with no experience who has become

551
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: the new Postmaster general. This little excerpt from the Washington Post. Joy,

552
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: a North Carolina logistics executive who donated more than two

553
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: million dollars to GOP political committees over the past four years,

554
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: approved changes that took effect July that the agency said

555
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: were aimed at cutting costs for the debt laden mail service.

556
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: That they said, Uh. They included prohibiting overtime, bay, shutting

557
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: down sorting machines early, and requiring letter carriers to leave

558
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: mail behind when necessary to avoid extra trips or late

559
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: delivery on routes. The new policies have resulted in at

560
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: least a two day to delay and scattered parts of

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00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: the country even for express mail, according to multiple postal

562
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: workers and union leaders. Letter carriers are manually sorting more mail,

563
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: adding to the delivery time. Bins of mail ready for

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00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: delivery are sitting in post offices because of scheduling and

565
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: route changes, and without the ability to work overtime. Workers

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00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: say the log jam is worsening without an end in

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00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: sight end quote. Um, that's just a brief. It is

568
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: terrifying and it poses very very real concerns on how

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00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: long it will take for people to receive their ballots,

570
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: if they even will receive their ballots, and then after that,

571
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: how long it will take for ballots to be sent back,

572
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: if they will even be received when they are sent back.

573
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: Because you know what we need an election is uncertainty

574
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: about whether or not our ballots are going to get counted. Um.

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00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: I believe that there are only there are sixteen states

576
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: that require mail in ballots to just be postmarked on

577
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: election day, but there are thirty four states that will

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00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: not accept mail in ballots after election day. Uh. And

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00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: to make it even more confusing, each state has their

580
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: own rules and time frames. For example, Alaska will accept

581
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: a ballot for up to ten days post race if

582
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: it's postmarked on or before the election day, but in Kansas,

583
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: voters only have like three days or something like that

584
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: post election. It's just all incredibly frustrating. We might not

585
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: have an election. You know what I love is that

586
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: Oregon a state so profoundly dysfunctional, uh that our police

587
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: officers tear gassed us more than a hundred times in

588
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: the space of five weeks, UH for yelling at them

589
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: from the streets. UM. And we have had the largest

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00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: budget shortfall of any state in the country over the

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00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: coronavirus UM, and we're still attempting to reopen bars and

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00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: restaurants like a a historically dysfunctional state that no one

593
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: lives in, that hates funding their own schools. Um Is

594
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: has been able to for many years now run elections

595
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: completely through the mail UM, despite the fact that politics

596
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: here has always been a complete fucking disaster. Um Oregon

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00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: manages to do it, but it's impossible for the rest

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00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: of the country. Clearly no other state could handle such

599
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: a task. What's been so frustrating about this is to

600
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: see this conversation. It's just talking in circles about it

601
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: for so long, about this issue when every day, but

602
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: honestly for years now, and the problem is I spoke

603
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: about this uncertainty. Okay, this this postal service stuff, the

604
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: way the pandemic has affected the question of how the

605
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: election will be run, all of that is new. But this,

606
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: this issue of mail in voting is not new, and

607
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: it's something we've all known. UH. We need to start

608
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: getting organized with a long time ago in order for

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00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: people to understand how it works, to have confidence and

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00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: how it works. And at this point it's just I

611
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: don't see how we pull it off. I don't I

612
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 1: don't see how this is anything but a debacle, especially

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00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: with the President demanding that UM results be announced the

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00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: night of of UH and and all of these delays

615
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: that we're seeing. UM. We're all aware that Trump has

616
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: been raging against mail and voting for a long time

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00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: now it terrifies him. The prospect of getting more voters

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00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: and making it easier for people to vote could potentially

619
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: be catastrophic for the Republican Party, except not really, because

620
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: they can stand to benefit from as well, with all

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Speaker 1: their rural voters, with their old white racist voters who

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00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: are susceptible to viruses. You know, in theory, it could

623
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: be a boon for the GOP and those regions with

624
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: those demographics. Um, I was interesting. Earlier today, Trump tweeted

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Speaker 1: this out. Whether you call it vote by mail or

626
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: absentee voting in Florida, the election system is safe and secure,

627
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: tried and true. Florida's voting system has been cleaned up.

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00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: We defeated Democrats, sucrats attempts change. So in Florida, I

629
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: encourage all to request a ballot and vote by mail

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Speaker 1: hashtag maga uh um. So it benefits him there, clearly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's just fun that he's using the like

632
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: Florida figured it out, but you know, around for two

633
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: thousand when Florida didn't really work out. But that's too

634
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: long ago. He doesn't remember that. I know. It's all.

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00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: It's all just really it's terrifying. Um, yeah, it's but

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00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: I mean because I mean, no matter what happens, no

637
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: one is going to be satisfied with the results of

638
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 1: the election. That doubt has been planted in every single

639
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: person about no matter what the result is. Yeah, Like, honestly,

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Speaker 1: either President Trump is willing to take power and no

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Speaker 1: the right. Why it's up really having the CAHNI is

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Speaker 1: to stop them. Um, one of those two things will happen,

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Speaker 1: and nobody will believe in the validity of the election,

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Speaker 1: not even most of the people who get their way

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Speaker 1: in the end. See you, we don't think that this

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Speaker 1: is going to be a big uniting event. I think

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Speaker 1: this is the I think we're at the start of

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Speaker 1: a death spiral that's more or less unstoppable. At this point,

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Speaker 1: we've been spiraling for a while now, yeah, yeah, yeah, speeds.

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Speaker 1: We we've been sick for a while. Um, like a

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Speaker 1: coral reef. But there's a certain point in like the

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Speaker 1: death of a coral reef, where the reef itself is

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Speaker 1: still alive, but the damage is so extensive that it's

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Speaker 1: annihilation is inevitable. And I think that's the point that

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Speaker 1: we're at. Well. I also want to point out that

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Speaker 1: you know, Katie is serious once she throws out honey one,

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Speaker 1: one other thing I'm serious about before we take an

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Speaker 1: ad break, is I guess the takeaway the call to

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Speaker 1: action I want to impart with you guys about this conversation,

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Speaker 1: and that's to send your ballots in immediately. Do not

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Speaker 1: sit on it. Send it in, especially if you live

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Speaker 1: in a state that is uh not honoring ballots that

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Speaker 1: come in after election day, So please check up your

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Speaker 1: state's rules and please be responsible about it and tell

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Speaker 1: all your friends. If there's one thing I would love

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Speaker 1: to see from our listeners, it is uh their own

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Speaker 1: work at getting this issue out. Send in your ballots immediately.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I was just joking about the country being

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Speaker 1: doomed by the way. Everything's going to be okay, Please

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Speaker 1: please send send in the please bust. It'll be fine,

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Speaker 1: I was just thinking about how I really have deep,

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Speaker 1: um and profound faith in democracy and the fundamental courage

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Speaker 1: indecency of the American people, and things are going to

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Speaker 1: be great. That's what I was thinking about. I don't

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Speaker 1: believe you, ye ask honey, So let's keep going for us.

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Speaker 1: It's like we're He's clutching his face in horror. Cody

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Speaker 1: was given the task. I'm so sorry talking about some

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Speaker 1: of the Trump's latest bullshit and his inherent authoritarian Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the authoritarian stuff, and um, this is gonna be a chaotic,

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Speaker 1: little hodgepodge of just frustration. Because the thing is, I

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Speaker 1: mean both of you had shades of this in your

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Speaker 1: and what we're talking about, it's impossible to not touch

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Speaker 1: on it every day. And I think what we're really

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Speaker 1: pointing to when we talk about this now is obviously

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Speaker 1: the you know, the secret police and the election pushing

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Speaker 1: and stuff. One thing I will say is that I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of people are starting to use the

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Speaker 1: word fascist more to refer to the president specifically. A

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Speaker 1: little bit you see it sprinkled in um. Not really

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Speaker 1: a lot of political figures using the word, not really

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Speaker 1: a lot of like actual journalists in the like mainstream

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Speaker 1: media like using that word. They've been very afraid to

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Speaker 1: use the word. But like you can find find an

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Speaker 1: article from two days ago that is just called like,

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Speaker 1: Trump's tactics are right out of the authoritarian playbook, And

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Speaker 1: you can find an article from three and a half

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Speaker 1: years ago called Trump's tactics are right out of the

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Speaker 1: authoritarian playbook. And it's starting to just feel oppressively useless. Uh,

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Speaker 1: just like every step of the way where we are,

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Speaker 1: and again, like four years ago, people talking about we're

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Speaker 1: like a boiling frog, like they pushed the line a

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Speaker 1: little bit, uh, and every little bit you get used

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Speaker 1: to and then we're here or whatever, And I just

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Speaker 1: get this overwhelming sense of that, especially now in just

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Speaker 1: like in looking and how people talk about him, because

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Speaker 1: it really hasn't changed much. It's gotten a bit louder.

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Speaker 1: But whenever even his election quote and his tweets about

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Speaker 1: pushing that election back, you know, the reaction would be

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Speaker 1: this is extremely dangerous or he didn't really mean it

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Speaker 1: is just something he says, He's not really going to

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Speaker 1: do anything, or like he actually can't do that, which

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Speaker 1: is one could say a bit naive. One could say that,

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Speaker 1: One could maybe say that because even like since the beginning,

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Speaker 1: tweeting things like I have the support of the police,

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Speaker 1: the support of the military, the support of the bikers

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Speaker 1: for Trump. I have the tough people, but they don't

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Speaker 1: play it tough until they go to a certain point,

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Speaker 1: and then it would be very bad, very bad, and

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Speaker 1: like people kind of freaked out. But then also people

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Speaker 1: were like, well, he's not like what he is is

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Speaker 1: this a tweet? But then you have him uh sending

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Speaker 1: in the fence to uh beat the ship out of

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Speaker 1: Roberts and like, and all these protesters were friends. We

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Speaker 1: get a long, we got a thing going on. I

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Speaker 1: tweeted this today. You're reminding me of it, uh, because

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Speaker 1: it was just today. I just was thinking back on

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Speaker 1: everybody in six uh the day after the election, saying

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Speaker 1: how bad can it be? He can't do that much?

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Speaker 1: Calm down? How bad can it be? They said? Anyway? Sorry,

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Speaker 1: continued Well, I mean yeah, so like that's how bad

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Speaker 1: can it be? And it can be uh global pandemic

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Speaker 1: and uh sending in the FEDS to cities to clean

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Speaker 1: up the crime because he's the law and order president, right,

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Speaker 1: and it's just sort of like, uh, he's cashing all

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Speaker 1: these checks right that we all that we all saw

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Speaker 1: him right since the beginning. He does all the things

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Speaker 1: that authoritarians talk about. At least he's always talked about

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Speaker 1: all the leaders who have you know, Well, now he's

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Speaker 1: president for life. Maybe we should do that like all

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Speaker 1: these sort of like little praisings of authoritarians now and

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Speaker 1: throughout history. UM, and his coach to everything is in

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Speaker 1: conflict with reality. UM. And that has always been something

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Speaker 1: that has been like a touchstone of like fascist movements

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Speaker 1: literally Mussolini said that the to create a fascist national myth,

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Speaker 1: it is not necessary for it to be a reality. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's all based on this fake spiritual myth making um

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Speaker 1: and getting people like working people up into a frenzy. Um,

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Speaker 1: and uh, saying these sort of like trial balloon phrases

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Speaker 1: and like talking about he's talking about the violence, I

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Speaker 1: got the tough people. He's not going to do anything.

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Speaker 1: He talks about those things and then he doesn't. Necessarily

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Speaker 1: it's not about crossing the line, right, Um, it's about

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Speaker 1: nudging the line a little farther, You move it a

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Speaker 1: little bit, and then so now the resistance is a

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Speaker 1: little bit closer to where the line used to be.

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Speaker 1: They've crossed the old line, but you don't see them

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Speaker 1: crossing the line because the line is actually moved. And

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Speaker 1: it's just been sort of slow slog of him doing

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Speaker 1: all these things and saying all these things, and um,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, we're in the middle of this crisis.

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Speaker 1: And one thing I think that can be said about

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Speaker 1: um also like fascist movements and regimes in general, aside

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Speaker 1: from the fact that they don't like start at the end,

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Speaker 1: which I see a lot of people say, like, well,

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Speaker 1: you can call him a fascist. Therefore he's not well, okay,

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Speaker 1: that's not how time works. UM. So he's done like

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Speaker 1: you do all these things. But one thing you can

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Speaker 1: say is that if there's a major crisis, it's either

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Speaker 1: really good or really bad for them. Right. Um. This

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Speaker 1: in our our leaders like gross incompetence and very obvious ignorance.

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Speaker 1: Even in the Axios interview that Robert mentioned earlier, we

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Speaker 1: see this sort of floundering and struggle because they can't

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Speaker 1: actually deal with a crisis. They can manufacture them, they

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Speaker 1: can take advantage of them, but they can't actually deal

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Speaker 1: with them. Um. And so we're sort of in this

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Speaker 1: spot where this like what is happening now could be

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Speaker 1: them crumbling because that's how they have to deal with things. Um.

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Speaker 1: Or it could mean that they're going to keep sending

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Speaker 1: in um you know, the law and order folks, because

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Speaker 1: they've conditioned so many people to see any single protesters

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Speaker 1: like you're the Antifa. You're like even you have calmness

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Speaker 1: who are like quote liberals who were like demonizing Antifa

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Speaker 1: and being like we shouldn't defend antifa just to like

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Speaker 1: fight the fascist, Like, well, what are you doing? Like

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Speaker 1: when you're you're helping them, You're helping this narrative. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna read this just a brief passage from Herbert packs

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Speaker 1: book about this kind of thing. Fascist violence was neither

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Speaker 1: random nor indiscriminate. It carried a well calculated set of

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Speaker 1: coded messages that communist violence was rising, that the democratic

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Speaker 1: state was responding to it ineptly, and that only the

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Speaker 1: fascist were tough enough, tough enough to save the nation

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Speaker 1: from anti national terrorists. An essential step in the fascist

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Speaker 1: march to acceptance and power with to persuade law and order,

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Speaker 1: conservatives and members of the middle class to tolerate fascist

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Speaker 1: violence as a harsh necessity in the face of left provocation.

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Speaker 1: It helped, of course, that many ordinary citizens never feared

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Speaker 1: fascist violence against themselves because they were reassured that it

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Speaker 1: was reserved for national enemies and terrorists who deserved it.

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Speaker 1: So to bring it back to the election a little bit,

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Speaker 1: I mean we see that rhetoric of course already in

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Speaker 1: playing his tweets and everything, But in the campaign videos,

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Speaker 1: the campaign videos that I've seen from Donald Trump are

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden wants no more police. Yeah, he's a Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden is a secret Antifa, right, and yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, he's been showing up in block here in

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Speaker 1: Portland Chuck to Malatov to fed the other night. Changes

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Speaker 1: my view of him entirely. But then also you get him, uh,

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Speaker 1: him making statements about Portland, um, and he's referring to

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Speaker 1: how we need to we need to lock up the

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Speaker 1: aggregators and the anarchists. Uh. And that is just like

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Speaker 1: straight up just like it's just it's just this again.

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Speaker 1: It's the same old playbook, um, only Joe Biden saying it. Instead.

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Speaker 1: You can't like a sign like it's an it's a

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Speaker 1: political ideology. He's saying we should lock up the anarchist.

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Speaker 1: That's like saying we'll lock up all the libertarians, or

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Speaker 1: we'll lock up all the like whatever it is. Um.

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Speaker 1: And that is a bonkers thing to say. Sorry, Katy,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, No, yeah, I mean it just seems like

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Speaker 1: that is the main thing that he is going to

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Speaker 1: be hammering for the next few months. And it's easy

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Speaker 1: for other people to get like swept up into it, right,

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Speaker 1: Like Joe Biden didn't need to say we need to

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Speaker 1: lock up all the anarchists or prosecute the anarchists, but

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Speaker 1: it's this sort of actic of framing everything like this

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Speaker 1: where even the opposition will play into it. And it's

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Speaker 1: all this confusions. I mean, it even stems back to

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Speaker 1: when this protest movement began, you know, people conflating and

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Speaker 1: also not giving due justice to what um a rioter is.

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Speaker 1: You know, like, well let's break down that term, let's

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Speaker 1: see what this is. But that's too much for so

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Speaker 1: many people. And there's just you know, they can see

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Speaker 1: images of violence and um and fear. And then there's

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Speaker 1: people that might be on the fence but really don't

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Speaker 1: like the way this is playing out, are afraid of

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Speaker 1: the chaos. Um gotta bring order to the chaos. And

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Speaker 1: you know who, you know who can do it. You

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Speaker 1: know who can bring order the chaos? The lawn order guy,

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Speaker 1: the current president who is residing over all the chaos,

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Speaker 1: the one who wishes the pimp. Well, I I mean

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Speaker 1: not to bring up Q and on, but here I go.

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Speaker 1: I I've just seen there's everything is just chaos. There

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Speaker 1: is information abounding from all sides. People are afraid in

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Speaker 1: a myriad of different ways. Here's here's the reality of

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Speaker 1: the situation, unfortunately, which is that everything's already Everything has

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Speaker 1: always been chaos for most of the people on this plant.

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00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: Everything was chaos for the people in Beau Paul, India,

852
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, who got fourteen of thousands or so of

853
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: whom were choked to death almost immediately when that chemical

854
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Speaker 1: plant went up. Um, everything was chaos for the Maya

855
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: people in Guatemala, two thousand plus of whom were murdered

856
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: in tens of thousands more of whom were tortured by

857
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Speaker 1: the right wing death squads trained by a mix of

858
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Speaker 1: c I, a UH and border patrol agents. Everything was chaos,

859
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: has been chaos for you know, the kids in Yemen, Um,

860
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: the kids in Pakistan who have you know, went and

861
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: testified in front of our Congress that they're now terrified

862
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: at the site of blue Skies because it means that

863
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: drones can come for them and their family. Is We've

864
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: had in this country a wall protecting us from the chaos,

865
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:10,479
Speaker 1: built of money, money, and guns, and that wall has

866
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: crumbled in on itself and now we just have a

867
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,959
Speaker 1: pile of guns and rotting dollar bills. Um, And we're

868
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: no longer can trick ourselves into believing that we're safe.

869
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: And that's the yeah, and then yeah, and then the

870
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: people that have power are manipulating that and using that

871
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: to their advantage. Yeah, it's awesome. It's just cool. It's

872
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: very cool. Um, we're all fans of folks. I just

873
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: bring that up to say, like, even people, and I've

874
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: mentioned this on even more news I think last week,

875
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: but people that I wouldn't necessarily consider progressive but not

876
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: a fan of the president, I've seen sharing que and

877
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: on adjacent you know, conspiracy theories saying you can't trust

878
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: any media neither side, and that is a demoralizing um

879
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: state for us to be in a few months away

880
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: from the election. But I will say, my my dear

881
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: friend told me the other day that she had a

882
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: dream that Biden one. So that's one less thing I

883
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: have to worry about. So I share that with you guys.

884
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: You any comfort. My friend dreamt that Biden won, so

885
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: we don't need to worry about it. That's excellent. That

886
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: means I love her. I'm not making fun of her.

887
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: She said it tongue in cheek. I think she believed it.

888
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: But that's like, yeah, it's just the even the qut

889
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: on stuff you're bringing up in like all the this

890
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: adjacent stuff that's part I mean, that's obviously part of it,

891
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: and that's gonna there's a reckoning there that we have

892
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: not experienced yet that we I don't even want to

893
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: open up the Q and On worms right now really,

894
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: but like I don't need but but the current situation now,

895
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: aside from all the chaos and all the sort of

896
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: the veil dropping of what people sort of saw as like, no,

897
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: we're safe, We're America, it's fine. Um, aside from all that,

898
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: this pandemic it's forcing people to stay inside and um

899
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: not really interact with people on as much of a

900
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: human level as they used to. And a lot of

901
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: that means that they're gonna be online more. And when

902
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: you're online more, your brain rots and it's bad for you,

903
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: and you believe things you shouldn't and it just it

904
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: gets worse and worse. And then you're gonna start sharing

905
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: q and On memes because you get you get sucked

906
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: down into that little rabbit hole and you're like, oh no,

907
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: now I'm buried alive in the rabbit hole. And uh,

908
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: the pandemic situation is really exacerbated. I think a lot

909
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: of the Q and stuff specifically because it is congregated,

910
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: everybody in one in one, just like maddening space where

911
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: everything is it's like you gotta grab onto something, you gotta.

912
00:55:54,760 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: I don't know it's it's it's exponentially exploding right now. Yeah,

913
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 1: you know what I love ending podcasts now, I don't

914
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 1: love ending podcasts. I love Cherry Dr Pepper. I do.

915
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: I do love Cherry Dr Pepper. You know what I love?

916
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: I love right now? UM, watching the videos coming in

917
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: from Beirut the day we filmed this is the day

918
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: of a horrific explosion that seems to have been the

919
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: result of an improperly stored confiscated ammonium nitrate fireworks and somebody, well,

920
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: just what's It's probably the largest non nuclear explosion maybe

921
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: in world history. UM. It just unbelievable devastation. The videos

922
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: coming out of Bay like now look like the end

923
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: of the damn world. UM, and looking at it and

924
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: knowing number one that this is the not even the beginning,

925
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: because Beirut has been dealing with um an economic collapse,

926
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: food shortages, UM. The fact that this port was like

927
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: a major port for a lot of the grain that

928
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: fed a significant chunk of the Middle East, so that

929
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: the the food shortages are going to get even worse,

930
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: not just in Lebanon, but all over the rest of

931
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: the region as a result of this UM. A lot

932
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: of the damage because the economic collapse is never going

933
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: to be repaired, so huge chunks of the city. People

934
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: are going to be going without windows and without you know,

935
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: UM power, UM, even more than they already have. Then,

936
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: a lot of folks I talked to in Beyroute, we're

937
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: already dealing with twenty two hours a day without electricity

938
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: before this. UM just just a complete nightmarish collapse. And

939
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: it's terrible, and it also it's like a trailer for

940
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,919
Speaker 1: what's going to be happening all over more often as

941
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: the systems around the world, the security systems that individual

942
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: nations put in place, UM and kind of international trade

943
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: systems and and sort of the basic protections people tried

944
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: to to to set in place continue to fray in

945
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: the face of of global chaos. I'm reminded in what

946
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: happened in Lebanon an explosion back and I think two

947
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: thirteen in the town of West Texas UM which I

948
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: was there the very next day. That was that massive

949
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: ammonium night trade explosion in that little Texas town that

950
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: like almost wiped it off the face of the damn

951
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: map UM. And it's the it's it's it's always at

952
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like right now, there's a

953
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory spreading like Israel has bombed Lebanon, and it's

954
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: not like the fundamentally kind of the thing that we're

955
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: probably going to find out what they root is more

956
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: or less what we found out with with West and

957
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: the explosion there, which is that a mix of improper

958
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: storage UM, a complete like gutting of any sort of

959
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: regulation or attempts at like UM actually providing uh security

960
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: and protection for things like this by the government UM

961
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,439
Speaker 1: in order to like cut costs. Like all of these

962
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,919
Speaker 1: things that happened as a state starts to fail UM

963
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: are what resulted in this calamity and what will result

964
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: in future calamities. And there will be explosions UM like

965
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: this in other places and the suffering will continue to

966
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: spread UM because at the end of the day, we

967
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: made a decision as a society to UM suck all

968
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: of the money out globally from anything that wasn't creating

969
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: more money. UH. And it's good, I mean in so

970
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: many different capacity things are going to continue to be destabilized. UM.

971
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: And this is an effect like again going back to

972
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: how good bad could he be? You know, when he

973
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: was elect in And I've mentioned this before on shows,

974
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: having a conversation with an old friend who was a

975
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: Trump supporter, UM and him being like, yeah, because he

976
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: works in construction wanting deregulation, saying, you know, all this

977
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: stuff wanting and I understand that zoning laws can be

978
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: tricky and dumb on a municipal level, you know, like locally,

979
00:59:55,720 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: but regulations in general are there for a reason, as

980
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: you're just mentioning with Beirut's and and regulations and UM

981
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: watch dog groups that attempt to like a lot of

982
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: the reason why ship has gotten to be such a

983
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: problem in Beirut is that you have all these like

984
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: this is like like like people in Beirut have been

985
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: protesting and like livid over corruption in in their local

986
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: and national government for a long time, and like the

987
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: other calamity calamities have been occurring for a while as

988
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: a result of this corruption and incompetence. There were massive

989
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: wildfires not all that long ago that were horribly exacerbated

990
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: by the fact that like money that was supposed to

991
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: go towards allowing the state to fight these wildfires and

992
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: train people. Was lining the epockets of corrupt officials. Um

993
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: and and we're just seeing this cycle accelerate all over

994
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: the world basically everywhere. Um and whenever people try to

995
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: stop it. And you have things like the Panama Papers

996
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: right where like some brave crusading journalists will reveal a

997
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: chunk of the massive worldwide graft network. Um that that

998
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: keeps making everything worse. They killed them with a firebomb

999
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: in their car, um And everybody moves on. And uh,

1000
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: conservatives convince everyone that it's much more reasonable to be

1001
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: angry at the fact that a single kid on a

1002
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: college campus lit Stephen Crowder's book on fire some stupid

1003
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: ship like that or whatever, like dumb bullshit. Um, it's

1004
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: all terrible and I hate it, some unhelpful everything. The President,

1005
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: speaking of everything we just talked about, just shared that

1006
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: that fun little gift where it says trump trump then

1007
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: Trump then and and jokes about how he's gonna be

1008
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: the president forever, because that's what good presidents do. My

1009
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: favorite thing about presidents is when they viscerally hate more

1010
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: than half the country and try to make that half

1011
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: of the country mad every every second of the day.

1012
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: But he's a nice guy. He is a nice guy.

1013
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: He wishes that child. Need to think about, you know,

1014
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, not the people of Lebanon, Um,

1015
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: not all of the people suffering in our own country,

1016
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: Not the folks staring houselessness in the face. Uh, not

1017
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: the hundreds of thousands of refugees around the world still

1018
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: in camps from conflicts from Syria to Malaysia. But we

1019
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: really need to think about and dedicate our our sympathy

1020
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: towards is that child rapist. Thank you, Gillen Baxwell for

1021
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: your sacrifices. I believe I remember you in a past

1022
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: episode saying that you refuse to learn how to pronounce

1023
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 1: her name. Yeah, but Katie, like every figure anyone ever trusted,

1024
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: I was always a liar. Um that one hurt, that

1025
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: one really did some damn to me. A good place

1026
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: for us to wrap staying your goddamn giz Lane, y'all. Yea,

1027
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: I will never not pronounce it Jis Lane. I'm sorry. Look,

1028
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: if you want to make the world better, find a

1029
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: child predator near you and express solidarity with them. And

1030
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: then when you're asked about a civil rights hero ten

1031
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: minutes later be like, I don't know that guy, what

1032
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: are you talking about? And then move on. Yeah, Daniel, Daniel,

1033
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Speaker 1: please edit this in the funniest way possible to me

1034
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: saying this, keep it all, keep it yeah. This is

1035
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: the end of the episode. You can follow Katie on

1036
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram at Katie Stole. You can follow Cody

1037
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram and dr Mr Cody. You can

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Speaker 1: follow Robert on Twitter. I right, okay. You can follow

1039
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: this podcast on Twitter and Instagram at Worst Your Pod.

1040
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: We have a merch store. It's got stuff in it.

1041
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: That's all the things and you should wash your hands.

1042
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: Were face man's We can't have. Everything is so dull,

1043
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Speaker 1: everything's so dumb, and it's not again. Um I tried. Daniel.

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