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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, I'm Kaylie Shore and you're listening to too

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Speaker 1: much to say question it out you. Okay, So I

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Speaker 1: try to not get to preachy in general. Um, I

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Speaker 1: know that my social media might contradict that sometimes, but

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Speaker 1: for all the things that I have strong opinions on,

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Speaker 1: I pick the few that are most important to me.

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Speaker 1: Obviously human rights fall under that category, the LGBTQ community, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, ending racism, All of those things are super

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Speaker 1: super important to me and I post about them frequently.

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Speaker 1: And you know, there's usually a crossover with politics because

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Speaker 1: some politicians don't care about those things. So those politicians

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Speaker 1: can go funk off, you know what I'm saying. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: that's not what this episode is about. This episode is

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Speaker 1: about something that I am very strongly opinionated about, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be preachy, but I think that

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Speaker 1: education on this topic is really important because a lot

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Speaker 1: of people don't know. And honestly, it's not their fault

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Speaker 1: because there's a really big reason why people don't know

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Speaker 1: about this, and it's because a lot of companies don't

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Speaker 1: want you to. So let's talk about animal testing. Back

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Speaker 1: in I adopted a dog named Buddy from this organization

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Speaker 1: called the Beagle Freedom Project, and they help get beagles

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Speaker 1: who've been tested on in laboratories, whether it's cosmetics, house cleaners, etcetera, etcetera,

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Speaker 1: find homes after the lab no longer needs them. And

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Speaker 1: it's they do such amazing work. I mean, like I've

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Speaker 1: also fostered dogs for them. Um My foster one day, Maple,

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Speaker 1: um when I got him, he was just terrified, like

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Speaker 1: three months prior. And when he got out of the lab.

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Speaker 1: That the day he left the lab and went to

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Speaker 1: That was the first time he ever saw a toy

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Speaker 1: or even a blanket. I mean, I'm not kidding when

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Speaker 1: I tell you that these dogs are kept in cages,

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Speaker 1: and the only like classification for their cages and the

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Speaker 1: be six inches wider than the dog and six inches

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Speaker 1: higher than the dog. So think about what six inches

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Speaker 1: looks like. I mean, that's probably like your pointer finger.

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Speaker 1: That is all. The dog doesn't have space to move around,

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Speaker 1: like literally, that's it. And then they in order to

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Speaker 1: the cage and be able to like walk around like

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Speaker 1: a little bit. But like they don't really care at

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Speaker 1: all about the health of these dogs. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: like the amount of compartmentalization you'd have to do in

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Speaker 1: Mary kay like spearheaded that and talked about it a lot.

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Speaker 1: But then UM people started to sell their products in China,

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Speaker 1: and up until this year, China required UM everywhere on

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Speaker 1: That's the one fact that didn't fact check. I think

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Speaker 1: it's Beijing, Beijing just anyways, everything else I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: even if it was an ingredient that had been used before,

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Speaker 1: So they were choosing to do that. They were choosing

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Speaker 1: test subjects. And the reason that they test on beagles

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Speaker 1: and it's just not. And the vast majority of animal

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Speaker 1: but I mean when it comes to cosmetics, especially like

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Speaker 1: I mean that's fucking weird, you know, Like if they're like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: so you can put it on your face, Like, no,

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Speaker 1: thank you, I will find something that I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I love makeup. I'm a huge fan of makeup. It's

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Speaker 1: So they're testing these drugs and also like you know,

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Speaker 1: There's there's really no really no benefit to it, and

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Speaker 1: usually killed by asphyxiation or breaking their necks or just decapitation.

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Speaker 1: So and when you're talking about that, you're usually talking

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Speaker 1: that I believe, So we're making strides forward. But Bagle

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Speaker 1: Freedom Project is an incredible place to highly recommend checking

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Speaker 1: So check them out. I hope you guys go cruelty free.

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Speaker 1: If you have any questions, um, please tweet me at

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Speaker 1: last night I'd like to say is like, if you

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Speaker 1: do decide to go cruelty free, you don't have to

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Speaker 1: throw away your products if anything, like, because those products

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Speaker 1: like just you don't be wasteful. Use those products till

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Speaker 1: that many of the things that you have in your

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Speaker 1: cabinet are already completely cuelty free. So thank you guys

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Speaker 1: for listening. I appreciate it. Um. This is the podcast

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Speaker 1: Strong Opinions. I'm Kaylie Shore. You've been listening to too

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Speaker 1: much to say and I'll see you guys next week

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Speaker 1: asking question. So turn it out you