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Speaker 1: Welcome to Monday's this year a big blue kickoff live

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Speaker 1: here on giants dot Com, presented by cores Light. He

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Speaker 1: has Paul the Tina. I'm Lance Meado, good to be

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Speaker 1: with you for the next sixty minutes. Two zero one

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Speaker 1: five one three. That is the telephone number hashtag Giants

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Speaker 1: Chat on Twitter. We're going to recap last night's game

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Speaker 1: between the Giants and the Cowboys, as the Giants fell

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Speaker 1: to the Cowboys twenty to thirteen, so the Giants owen

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Speaker 1: two for the fifth time in the last six games.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to the ins and outs of this contest.

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Speaker 1: Will also update you on the injury front. Eli Apple

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Speaker 1: John Hallapeo both suffering injuries in last night's game, as

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Speaker 1: well as punt returner Kaitlin Clay. So let's start there, Paul,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll get into the contest and then we'll

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Speaker 1: open it up in terms of the phone lines and

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Speaker 1: the tweets. So the Giants, right before we went on,

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Speaker 1: made a formal announcement in terms of John Hallapeo status

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Speaker 1: and it is not good news. He left the game.

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Speaker 1: John Greco replaced him, and the Giants have officially announced

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Speaker 1: that he suffered fractures to his lower leg and ankle.

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Speaker 1: In Dallas, he scheduled to undergo surgery to repair the injuries. Now,

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Speaker 1: Pat Shermer is gonna have a conference its call, and

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Speaker 1: he will address the media later on. But hither four o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Given the offensive line has had its fair share of

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Speaker 1: Upton downs over the first two contests, now all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, you need to account for a new face

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Speaker 1: in the mix and provide for more continuity as this

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Speaker 1: team moves forward. Well, it's not just a new face.

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Speaker 1: It's the guy who makes the calls. It's the center.

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Speaker 1: So that is obviously a very big concern. Now, John

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Speaker 1: Greco has been here since last season, so he obviously

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Speaker 1: knows the offense, he gets the playbook, and and you know,

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Speaker 1: at this point in time, he is certainly the most

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Speaker 1: likely guy you would think to start this weekend against Houston.

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Speaker 1: I would say, however, that they picked up Pully from

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Speaker 1: the Chargers, who has been a garden center in this league,

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Speaker 1: played mostly center from them last year, and he started,

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Speaker 1: is probably, In fact, I won't say probably, he is

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Speaker 1: more accomplished as an NFL center than Greco Is Greco's

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Speaker 1: some point in time, once they think that Pully is

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Speaker 1: up to speed, they would at least consider potentially making

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Speaker 1: him the starting center. Although I don't know that, but

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Speaker 1: I would agree with you. I agree with that rationale

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Speaker 1: that to me makes the most sense. He's only been

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Speaker 1: with the team for about two weeks at this point,

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Speaker 1: very difficult to think that he would be close to

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Speaker 1: being ready. In fact, he didn't get a jersey last night.

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Speaker 1: He was inactive, and he was inactive the first week,

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Speaker 1: as was the other candidates that I'll throughout is Evan Brown,

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Speaker 1: the undrafted rookie out of SMU. He's another guy who

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Speaker 1: has center experience. He's also been inactive for the first

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Speaker 1: two contests of the season. Yeah, and one would think, again,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but one would think that they would

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Speaker 1: rather go with an experienced player in this spot than

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Speaker 1: to that in a second, but you know, just real

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Speaker 1: quickly A Lapel, great story, Paul last season emerges as

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Speaker 1: a Staughter has experienced at guard and center, beats out

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Speaker 1: Brett Jones to the starting gig. This year, Brett Jones

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Speaker 1: on the Giants roster. Listen, I understand, it's part of football.

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Speaker 1: It's the nature of the beast. Injuries are gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: It's just when you see a guy who's worked so

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Speaker 1: to see that happened two weeks into the season. Well,

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Speaker 1: this is a guy who actually spend time in the

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Speaker 1: Experimental Fall League. He played with the Brooklyn Bolts and

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Speaker 1: the Boston team. I forget the Boston was at the Brawler.

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Speaker 1: It was the Boston Brawlers. I mean, you know what

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Speaker 1: a phenomenal story. And by the way, really good guy people.

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Speaker 1: look what happened. You know, he put forth several more

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Speaker 1: I hope it is not the end of the line

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Speaker 1: for him, because this is a guy who has weathered

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Speaker 1: you can't. You can't feel worse for a guy like that.

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Speaker 1: Boston Brawlers and Brooklyn Bolts of the Fall Experimental Football

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Speaker 1: They played over at the Brooklyn Minor League Baseball STU

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Speaker 1: Park right now, yep, where the Brooklyn Cyclones play well.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of the offensive line, I think that is a

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Speaker 1: starting point to where we should start recapping last night's game.

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Speaker 1: As the Giants fell to the Cowboys. You mentioned the

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Speaker 1: have no update on his status. At Kalin Clay suffered

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Speaker 1: the offensive line, clearly a major issue win last night's game.

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Speaker 1: Paul six sacks that Dallas collected. That was double their

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Speaker 1: it was a very long evening for Eli Manning and

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Speaker 1: not only expectations, but below satisfactory. I mean, it's one

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Speaker 1: thing to say, well, maybe expectations were too high and

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Speaker 1: don't know how many times I had to say this

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Speaker 1: during the all season. The goal for the offensive line

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Speaker 1: I know there are people out there who want five

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Speaker 1: And they're not getting that from anybody on that line

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Speaker 1: very disheartening. Now, on the flip side to that, once again,

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Speaker 1: I preached to be fair. Okay, there are those critics

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Speaker 1: They had five preseason quarters combined, and as I believe

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Speaker 1: I've said before on the air and on this show,

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Speaker 1: it was unrealistic to expect them to be terrific coming

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Speaker 1: out of the box. I've said all along, get the

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Speaker 1: two and two by the fifth game, and the offensive line,

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Speaker 1: which needs more chemistry and more meshing than any other

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Speaker 1: They've had two really bad games. Now, what you need

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Speaker 1: to remember is that this is still a growing process.

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Speaker 1: It is still a situation that you hope will improve

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Speaker 1: Jets felt after they crushed the Lions and everybody wanted

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Speaker 1: because as I told our dear friend Charlie and Mayne,

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Speaker 1: rest of the offensive line, don't talk to me about

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Speaker 1: semester report guard. You remember those when you were in school,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to give them a grade after two

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Speaker 1: games because it's incomplete. I admit to you, it's bad.

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Speaker 1: It is bad, and they got a lot of work

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Speaker 1: don't come to the phones and tell me I'm ignoring it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not ignoring it. It's it smells right now. Well,

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Speaker 1: if we're gonna be fair to add to what you

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Speaker 1: just laid out, Paul, a few things. Number One, for

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Speaker 1: those that want to simply pile on Eric Flowers after

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Speaker 1: could be finger pointing and blame to go across the board. Paul,

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Speaker 1: I think there were breakdowns all around. I mean Damien

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Speaker 1: allow to have that second resurgence. I just think it's

429
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Speaker 1: gonna take too much time. I would love to see it.

430
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Speaker 1: We're all waiting to see it. But this but this

431
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Speaker 1: line is far from what we need to make a

432
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Speaker 1: championship run. So with that said, do you think that

433
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Speaker 1: this none we'll get it together a time for ELI

434
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Speaker 1: to have that second win. Thanks guys, love the show,

435
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Speaker 1: all right, Tony appreciated the phone call. Well, we talked

436
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Speaker 1: about how they did revamp the offensive line this offseason.

437
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Speaker 1: To Tony's point, so they address the offensive line, I

438
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 1: mean when we say it's a lingering issue, yes, meaning

439
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 1: it's been a troublesome issue over the last few seasons, Paul.

440
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 1: But the players that were on the roster are no

441
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Speaker 1: longer here, so it's all new faces. I mean, Eric

442
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: Flowers is the only returning player, but he's at a

443
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 1: new position now. If you want to go the route of, well,

444
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: they didn't get a lot of work in in the

445
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Speaker 1: preseason and they're gonna need the first quarter of the

446
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 1: season again on the same page, I don't think that's

447
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Speaker 1: a stretch. I think, though, how you can counter that

448
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,479
Speaker 1: in fairness, Paul, is you can look at a lot

449
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Speaker 1: of other teams where the starters did not get preseason

450
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 1: snaps and they have not necessarily missed a beat case

451
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Speaker 1: at point the Rams. Now, the Rams did not revamp

452
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Speaker 1: their entire offensive line, So I get that it's a

453
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Speaker 1: little different. But I think by the time you get

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Speaker 1: to the third game, by the time you get to

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Speaker 1: the fourth game, if the struggles continue, I don't know

456
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Speaker 1: if you can continue to point to well, it's the

457
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: lack of preseason snaps that is a result of perhaps

458
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: the offensive line not being on the same page. It

459
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Speaker 1: sometimes does take a season or two for this group

460
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: to be a well oiled machine, but well, sometimes it does. Listen,

461
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: every group is different. But here's what I will say,

462
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Speaker 1: Pat sheremer came from Minnesota, Paul, where they we talked

463
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: about the Vikings, Mike Remers, free agency, Pat elf line.

464
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: It did not take an entire season for that group

465
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Speaker 1: to get together, and those were three new phases. It

466
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 1: took over the course of a season for them to

467
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Speaker 1: get on the same page. And nobody's saying they were

468
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Speaker 1: the most dominant offensive line last year in Minnesota, but

469
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: they were certainly good enough to establish a running game

470
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Speaker 1: after losing Dalvin Cook and strong enough to allow case

471
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Speaker 1: Keenum to have a very productive season. So it goes

472
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Speaker 1: down to execution as opposed to names on paper. You

473
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Speaker 1: can revamp all of the offensive lineman you want. If

474
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Speaker 1: the guys don't execute, all it is is a bunch

475
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Speaker 1: of names on paper. By the way, should I tell

476
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Speaker 1: anybody that the defending champion Eagles lost yesterday and in

477
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Speaker 1: addition to that, they gave up three sacks, And I'm

478
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Speaker 1: sure they're pretty ticked off at their record right now,

479
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 1: being one in one, and the Redskins, who was supposed

480
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: to be world beaters after they won their first game,

481
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: also lost and they are one and one. I guess

482
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Speaker 1: here's the reality of it. What the giants who put

483
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: on tape so far is not good enough for where

484
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Speaker 1: they want to be at the end of the two

485
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Speaker 1: thousand eighteen season. Nobody's going to deny that that's a fact. Okay,

486
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 1: let's just pull no punches on this. However, they are

487
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Speaker 1: owing to in a division where the three other teams

488
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 1: are all one and one, So is not the end

489
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Speaker 1: of the world. Anybody, Anybody who wants to just throw

490
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Speaker 1: their towel in on the season now and doesn't want

491
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Speaker 1: to bother with the other fourteen games. They're welcome to

492
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Speaker 1: start up their Madden video games and you can play

493
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: Madden for the next fourteen weeks and not bother with

494
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Speaker 1: the rest of the real NFL regular season. You're certainly

495
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Speaker 1: welcome to do that if you want. Or you could

496
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Speaker 1: go root for your favorite hockey team. Training camps already

497
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: started for the NHL uh preseason hoops, I believe just

498
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,239
Speaker 1: starting very soon. Okay, so you could do that if

499
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Speaker 1: you really. It's also an option. I'm surprised you didn't

500
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Speaker 1: go that round. If if if that's what you wish

501
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: to do, then go ahead and do that. But if

502
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Speaker 1: you're an NFL fan, and if you're a fan of

503
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Speaker 1: a team that is one in one or oh and

504
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 1: two for that matter, then you know that there are

505
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Speaker 1: many more games to play and you have to stick

506
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Speaker 1: it out. Two one, one three. Joe is in Pennsylvania's

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Speaker 1: We Move Along here on Monday's edition to Big Blue

508
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Speaker 1: Kickoff Live. How we doing, John, Oh? Wonderful? Am I

509
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: am mad? I have to put blame this loss on

510
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: our rookie coaching staff. You could see in Dallas last

511
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: week when they played their offense stuck. They came out.

512
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: They were the grass. They had us, and we were

513
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: playing on the roads from the very beginning. I mean,

514
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Speaker 1: I loved to play. They they throw a bomb deep

515
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: and this is the second week in a row. Jack

516
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: rabbit slip. We the safety there. Whatever we do, you've

517
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: got to look for this in the start of the game.

518
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: And you can't get beat deep. If you give up

519
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: a thirty forty yard that's fine. But but least least

520
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: you're you're you're not giving up that touchdown there. You

521
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: do see, uh, when we didn't go for them six

522
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: inches ice as we lost the game. Talking about the

523
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Speaker 1: fourth and one, well, Pat Shermer was asked about that

524
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Speaker 1: after the game. Joe Joe hold on, Well, let me explain.

525
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Speaker 1: Pat Schremer did talk about that after the game, and

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Speaker 1: you're referring to when it was, I believe a third

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Speaker 1: and five and they were just short with say Kwan

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Speaker 1: Barkley after a short catch and run, and he said,

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Speaker 1: at that point in the game he felt it was

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Speaker 1: still very early, it was only a one possession game,

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Speaker 1: and he designed to punch the Eagles well, because that's

532
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Speaker 1: Doug Peterson's philosophy. He's been very aggressive. You've got to

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Speaker 1: play fighting in defense, you gotta be the aggressive. Well,

534
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: but Joe, Joe in fairness, Joe in fairness, they went

535
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Speaker 1: for it. No but Joe in fairness that he went

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Speaker 1: for it on fourth and one two times later on

537
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,719
Speaker 1: and then when we start falling behind and didn't do nothing.

538
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: But but then the tone of the game was set. Yeah,

539
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: but to pinpoint, to pinpoint them not going but the

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Speaker 1: I think you're Joe, you're simplifying the game to say

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Speaker 1: that they lost the game simply because they didn't go

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Speaker 1: for it on that fourth in one early, I think

543
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Speaker 1: it's miss leading that. Then I'm just saying that the uh,

544
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Speaker 1: there's no way the offer. We weren't out physical the

545
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: offensive line either. They should know these stunts. That's what

546
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: that rod mill and Elli does all the time. He

547
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: runs the stunts. There's cornerbacks running right off the end

548
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: all the time. There's nobody coming right at Ela, there's

549
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: nobody picking them up. Does Eli have to attain for

550
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: that himself, I'm not sure, But I mean that's you know, uh,

551
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: linebackers coming right up the middle of that come on that.

552
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Speaker 1: It just wasn't one time there was. It was about

553
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: ten times. They should know this stuff. You know, it's

554
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: one thing getting beat physical, but come on, it was

555
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: a rookie. They weren't prepared. The offensive line should know

556
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Speaker 1: their assignments. That I'm telling you. They should know their

557
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: their their assignments on that. And we weren't aggressive enough.

558
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Speaker 1: And I hope he learns from this. I'd love to

559
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: come out the first play the game ourselves max protect

560
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: we have we have UH. Who is it the great

561
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: UH receiver? Can't they Beckham? Send him deep on a bomb,

562
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: Send send our tight end on a bomb, loosen them up.

563
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: We didn't do none of that stuff. I will tell

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Speaker 1: you something, Joe. Now, let me just say, first of all,

565
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Speaker 1: I would have gone to got down fight and if

566
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Speaker 1: I was gonna lose, but it was too late to

567
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: the game. And then they came back when it when

568
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,719
Speaker 1: it was too late a game, they were drown everything

569
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: at him and everything, and it was too late. The

570
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: tone wasn't set there, Paul by the coaching staff. Well,

571
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: we did not go out there to UH. We did

572
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: not play to win the game. We played not to lose,

573
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: and and that's what happened. So thank you. But I

574
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: hope they okay, thank you, all right, I'm gonna I

575
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: hope Joe still listens while while he hangs up there.

576
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: I would have gone for the fourth and inches at

577
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Speaker 1: the forty eight yard line on the Giants first drive.

578
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: That would have been my personal preference. Uh hey, not everybody.

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Speaker 1: Everyone has an opinion and not everybody has to agree

580
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Speaker 1: with you know what has done. So I'm not I'm

581
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Speaker 1: not being a submersive when saying I would have gone

582
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Speaker 1: for it, because I don't second guess anybody. That's the

583
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Speaker 1: one thing about me, Folks, whether or not you like

584
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Speaker 1: what my opinion is, I don't second guess anybody. I'll

585
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Speaker 1: tell you what I thought at the time, and I

586
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Speaker 1: will try to justify it as best as possible. And

587
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: if I was wrong, I'll tell you I would have

588
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Speaker 1: gone for the fourth and inches at the Giants after

589
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys had taken that seven nothing lead. That would

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Speaker 1: have been my preference. Do I understand the lie chic

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Speaker 1: for the decision that Coach Shermer made. I do because

592
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Speaker 1: he's thinking to himself, the places at a fever pitch,

593
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: they are foaming at the mouth, and Dallas, trust me,

594
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: the place was erupting like it usually does for a

595
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: primetime game. They've got a seven nothing lead thanks to

596
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: a quick strike bomb, and he's thinking to himself, if

597
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: if we don't get this, okay, we have just doubled

598
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: the fever pitch in this building, and Dallas is going

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Speaker 1: to take the ball over midfield with a seven to

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Speaker 1: nothing lead, with momentum that has now increased exponentially. So

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Speaker 1: I totally understand why he made his decision. I would

602
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Speaker 1: not have done it that way, but I understand it.

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Speaker 1: I think that's one of those where you can agree

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Speaker 1: to disagree, and you can certainly uh go through the

605
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: logic that he was going through and acknowledge that there

606
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: was rationale behind it. Well, and that's why I threw

607
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: out his reasoning and rest conference. And then the Cowboys

608
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: did tack on a field goal after the Giants punted,

609
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: but Paul after that, they hold the Cowboys to three

610
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: consecutive punts leading up to the end of the first half.

611
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: There was ample opportunity even with you downten nothing after

612
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: you chose not to go for it on fourth in inches,

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Speaker 1: to still very much get back in this game. And

614
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: the Giants offense just couldn't muster anything. So that's why

615
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: I understand Joe's frustration. But to simply go back to

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Speaker 1: that one decision early in the game and say that

617
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Speaker 1: was the lone reason that set the tone as to

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Speaker 1: why the Giants did't win the game, I think it's

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Speaker 1: completely misleading. And furthermore, in terms of how they started

620
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Speaker 1: out the game offensively, their first drive, uh Barkley for

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Speaker 1: five in the left flat and in completion to the sideline.

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Speaker 1: Then Beckham for nine on a cross, Barkley for four

623
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Speaker 1: up the gut, Barkley one to the left flat on

624
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: a pass, Barkley is screen for four, and now it's

625
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Speaker 1: fourth down. So in your first possession, you've gone to

626
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Speaker 1: Becca wants Barkley four times. You've mixed it up with

627
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: run and pass. I have absolutely no problem with that

628
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: philosophy right there. I really don't. I don't think you

629
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Speaker 1: have to necessarily match sixt yard bombs with the Cowboys

630
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Speaker 1: on that first possession. I think what you've done there

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Speaker 1: is you've gone to your two playmakers, You've mixed up

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Speaker 1: the run of the pass, and to me, you've moved

633
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: the ball out to midfield. Now it stinks that you

634
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: are in short of sticks and and got nothing to

635
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: show for it, and want departing on fourth down. But philosophically,

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Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with that first possession. No

637
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,479
Speaker 1: neither do I. Plus I thought Beckam and Barkley, if

638
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: you go back and watch that drive, they forced a

639
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: lot of mistackles on that first possession, so they created

640
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Speaker 1: space after the initial catch or after the initial run.

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Speaker 1: And at that point also, and I'm glad you brought

642
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: this up, Pat Shervi's probably also thinking in his mind, Paul, Okay,

643
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: our offense on this first drive, it's stalled, but we're

644
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: showing that we have the capabilities to move the football

645
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: against the giant the Cowboys defense. So he's not saying

646
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: to himself, well, boy, the next three possessions are essentially

647
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: going to be three and outs or penalty driven drives

648
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: and so forth. I don't think that's necessarily going through

649
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: his mind, because remember, you're making these decisions in real time.

650
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: You're not making these decisions after the entire game is complete.

651
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: So that's why I think, when you take all that

652
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: evidence into consideration, I'm completely fine with them deciding not

653
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: to go for Well, to your point as to the

654
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: Giants still being in the game. Late second quarter, okay,

655
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: and Dallas is at their own thirty eight yard line

656
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 1: and the score is tend enough in Cowboys, and Karl

657
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 1: Barwin has a Paul cortness jest. I mean he's coming

658
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: off the edge. Prescott throws it right to him. He

659
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: holds onto that pick, there's no one in front of him.

660
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: That's a touchdown, and all of a sudden everything changes

661
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: because now it's a ten seven game and that stadium

662
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: would be as quiet it as a church. But the

663
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 1: ball hits him in the chest and he doesn't hold it. Nonetheless,

664
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: the Cowboys punt. Giants get the ball back from their

665
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: own twenty yard line, and they go all the way

666
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: up to midfield again, and then Lawrence on a stunt

667
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: winds up coming up the middle on a sack short

668
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: circuits the Giants to where they go into halftime down

669
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: ten to nothing, when really, for all practical purposes, had

670
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: they just executed on either one of those two plays,

671
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: they probably get points going into the half, And maybe

672
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 1: everything is different coming out of the third quarter, because

673
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: the Giants got the ball to start the third quarter,

674
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: and of course what happened then once again they talk

675
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: about how there were five key plays in every game,

676
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: the sack, force fault at Damien Wilson, which, oh, by

677
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: the way, gave the ball at the Giant to Dallas

678
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: at the Giants. You want to blame that field goal

679
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: on the defense, No, I actually thought the defense did

680
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: a night's job keeping them out of the end zone,

681
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: thank you. However, with that being said, you know, Dak

682
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: Prescott missed a wide open Rico Gathers in the right

683
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: corner of the ant zone. He overthrew him. So the

684
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: Giants defense did dodge a bullet if you're gonna look

685
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: at it from a big picture perspective. But no, that's

686
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: not on the defense. That's the defense being put in

687
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: a precarious spot because of a turnover. But what you

688
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: were just laying out, Paul, is a trend over the

689
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: first two games. It's the lack of execution, the penalties,

690
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: the sacks that have absolutely stalled and killed drives. And

691
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: here's another example that we didn't bring up red zone

692
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: issues first and goal at the three. Paul. Okay, big

693
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: turning point in this game. Back to that one you're

694
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: knocking on the door. You give it to say Kwan Barkley,

695
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: they allow penetration, he loses five yards. Okay, not a

696
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: good play. But on top of that, Red Ellison is

697
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: called for offensive holding. Cowboys accept the penalty, which is

698
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: the wise move. Now it's first and goal from the thirteen,

699
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: and the Giants never recovered. So you know, that was

700
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: to me a huge turning point in the game, if

701
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: you want to go in addition to the sack of

702
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: the force fumble, because that's an opportunity to put points

703
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: on the board. You don't know what's gonna happen if

704
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: Eli Manning doesn't get sacked there. Well, now on the right,

705
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: after the hold to Ellison, first and goal from the thirteen,

706
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: goalm into left guard for two and on that play

707
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: is when, uh, the injury occurred. And as you recall

708
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: again a devastating injury. And it really it's short circuited

709
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: everything because the Giants appeared to have some momentum going

710
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: and then Hallapeo gets hurt and now, yeah, horrible injury,

711
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: and so now the momentum is lost and they come

712
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: in and and Eli getting pressured on second down and

713
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: goal from the eleven, has to throw the ball away,

714
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: then has to run and scramble by the way on

715
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: third down and goal from the Elevety scrambles for one

716
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: yard and they settled for the field goal. I was

717
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: on the field and I was right there at the

718
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: at the goal line when Manning scrambled to that end zone.

719
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: So I thought I got a pretty good look at

720
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: it from the field. Was that a helmet the helmet

721
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: hit you're talking about when he got hit and he

722
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: was running up for about four or five yards, Well,

723
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: he got a guard, he got a yawn on the

724
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 1: scramble and it was number five, it was fifty four.

725
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: I did not and I go by numbers. I'm a

726
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: lot like a coach. I go by angle smith. I

727
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: did not think that was helmet helmet, and I thought

728
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: he got hit very hard in the shoulder. Yeah, I

729
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: saw the replay, I distinctly remember, and I would have

730
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: taken notice of that. I did not see anything. To me,

731
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look at folks. I haven't looked at the tape.

732
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: It was. It was alright field level. I thought initially

733
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: it might have been a helmet. The helmet I'm thinking

734
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: of myself. Really, No, I don't think that was a

735
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: missing Yeah, very good, it was a hard hit, so

736
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: I can understand you. Initially, I have no problem with

737
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: the hit. I just wanted to know if it was

738
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: helmet the helm. No, I did not see any evidence.

739
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: If it can't helt we want to remind you Big

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742
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,680
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743
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: a biglue Kioff Live recapping the giants thirteen loss to

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys in Big d Scott is in New Mexico. Scott,

745
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: what's happening, Hi, guys? How are you doing what you

746
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: got for us? Uh? I think both of you made

747
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: some very good points about the Giants, so I'm not

748
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: going to pile and I think obviously they're playing poorly,

749
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: and I think the games speak for themselves. I think

750
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: people can see what's going on. But one of the

751
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: things that I'm curious about, and it was something that

752
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: Dave Gentelman said. He I think stated, and I hope

753
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: I'm getting this right, that he wanted players on his

754
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: team that hated losing more than winning. And I was

755
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: listening to the pressers after the game, and they talked

756
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: to Landon Collins and they asked him, do you think

757
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: there's a problem or is there a sense of agency?

758
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: And he remember that question. His direct quote was, there's

759
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: no sense of urgency now the team is owned to

760
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you're aware that there's no

761
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: Giant team that I know of when owing three to

762
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: start the season and made the playoffs. So where is

763
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: that sense of urgency and why aren't the players? I'm

764
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: sort of reminded of a movie called Network, where you know,

765
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: one of the characters sticks his head out the window

766
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take

767
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: it anymore. Where is that with the Giants. I don't

768
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: see the passion. I don't see the will not to lose.

769
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: And I was wondering, since you guys see the players

770
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: and talk to them regularly, where is that sense, Because again,

771
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: whether the play is good or bad, you need to

772
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: have that on your team. I'm not saying you have

773
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: to have a Ray Lewis character or you have to

774
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: have the passion of a Tom Brady reflected and seen

775
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 1: it every day, but that does complicate the issues. And

776
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: I was on with you guys last Thursday, and we

777
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: talked about fixing problems after the first time it happens.

778
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: Yet I see a replication again of the first game

779
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: and what I saw last season, and I don't know

780
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: if it's the coaches or the players themselves. So I

781
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: was wondering if you could give me sort of your

782
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: feeling as to whether that passion exists on the Giants. Well,

783
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: I think two quick points. First of all, the replication

784
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: of last season with the old line is irrelevant because

785
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: these are five new starters. I mean, and quite frankly,

786
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: I hate to say this, I think Flowers might have

787
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: played the best of the five linemen last night. He

788
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: did not get beat off the edge, not once. Uh.

789
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: In terms of allowing a set he battled DeMarcus allot

790
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: he really did. I mean to hold DeMarcus Lawrence to

791
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: what he did was actually Yeoman's effort. I think a

792
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: lot of coaches would take that around this league. Um so, So,

793
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: I don't think that part of it is necessarily relevant.

794
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: But here's what I will say. I agree with you.

795
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman said I want players who hate to lose,

796
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: and maybe maybe that there were too many. Um Okay,

797
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: he's given to these players by the general populace. After

798
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville game, I'll be honest with you, I heard

799
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: too many people tell me, Oh, they lost to Jacksonville,

800
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: that's okay. Not Giants players. I'm talking about the atmosphere

801
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: around them. Too many fans and media said it was

802
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: okay because Jacksonville is a great team. The Giants fought

803
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: them and they lost, and it's okay. See, I didn't

804
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: take it that way. I'll be honest with you, my friend.

805
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: I saw that game, and I said, the Giants not

806
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: only could have won that game, they probably should have

807
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: won that game. And I thought, I thought, if I

808
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: were a player, I would have been angry and disgusted

809
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: by it, and and I would have come out like

810
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: the Cowboys did last night, with so much fire and

811
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: brimstone that I would have burned the building down. That's me.

812
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: But see, I'm an Italian and I got a lot

813
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: of a regular in my blood. And that's the way

814
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: we are, Okay, That's just that's that's what it is.

815
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: Pison power baby. So um, that's my take. But I

816
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: got the sense from the entire NFL world, Oh, the

817
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 1: Giants fought Jacksonville so hard it was okay that they lost,

818
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: and to me, that kind of in filter rated the mentality.

819
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: And and maybe maybe Dallas was more ticked off that

820
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: they lost to Carolina than the Giants were that they

821
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: lost to Jacksonville, And that may have manifested itself in

822
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: the emotions last night, given the fact it was the

823
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: Dallas home opener and the place was absolutely foaming at

824
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: the mouth, which it always does in Jerry's world for

825
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 1: a particular come firement. Correct. So, I mean, I don't

826
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: know if there's so much to read into the mental

827
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 1: game of this. I know you brought up Landed Collins comment, Scott.

828
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: I heard the comment live. We actually played it on

829
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: our radio post game. And once again, I think in

830
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: the heat of the moment after games, sometimes players are

831
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: not thinking things through and what comes out of their

832
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: mouth is maybe not necessarily what they and to say.

833
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: I just say, I think collins Is intent is really

834
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: we're not going to panic. Correct. But but even if

835
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: Landon Collins gave the best answer possible and he appeas

836
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: to what Scott was talking about, and he was angry

837
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: and he was frustrating. He said, guys got to play better.

838
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: What difference does that commentary make if they don't go

839
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: out and beat the Houston Texans. My point is talk

840
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: is cheap in this world, Scott. And I'm not saying

841
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: that your point is invalid. It's just I'm the last

842
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: person that is going to over analyze what a player

843
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: or even a coach says in a postgame press Cotins. Now,

844
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: with that being said, I just laid out what Pat

845
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: Shermer said why he didn't go for it on fourth

846
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: and one. That was simply just an explanation in a

847
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: rationale from an ex is an o standpoint that was

848
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: in all of a sudden and amped up speech to

849
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: motivate his players. So I don't really think we got

850
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: to sit here and over analyze this. And here's the

851
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: other thing about that Jacksonville thought process, which I also

852
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: thought was an absolute joke, Paul the Ravens. If you

853
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: remember beat up the Bills in Week one and then

854
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 1: look at what the Bengals did to that ray Vin's

855
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 1: defense on Thursday night. So it's a week to week league.

856
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: What you do one week to me has no bearing

857
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: unnecessarily your performance the following week. More importantly, the emotions

858
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: that you take after a game, which I agree, I'd

859
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: rather see guys more upset after a game than not

860
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: be upset. But the truth of the matter is it's

861
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: how feisty are they for the following weekends kick off

862
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: when they actually kick it off. That's much more important

863
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: than what they showed the previous post game. Well, I

864
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: agree with you, but forget the feistiness of what they

865
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: show in the huddle before they run out of the tunnel.

866
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: It's all about how they execute once they kick off,

867
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: you know. To me, it's it's irrelevant what they say

868
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: or do before and after games doesn't add up to

869
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: much of anything. And it's got to appreciate the phone

870
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: call you got it. Let's head back to the phone

871
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: lines as we move along here on Big Blue Kickoff Live.

872
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: As we are fielding your phone calls at two zero, one, four, five,

873
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: one three, let's check in with J and d c J.

874
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: What's happening, Hey, Lands, Hey, you guys doing what you

875
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: got for us? Great? So I just want to start

876
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: off by saying, um that Flowers and Apple played pretty

877
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: decent yesterday. As much as we ripped on them, I

878
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: think it's fair to say to kind of give them

879
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: guys from credit when they actually do well. Apple played

880
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: very well. In fact, after that first bomb uh that

881
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: that went to the other side, Apple actually did a

882
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: terrific job covering to go routes down the sideline on

883
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: the Cowboys third possession near the end of the first quarter.

884
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: He was all over the receiver and blanket coverage and

885
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: I actually thought Apple played forced two completions there against

886
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: the Jaguars too. This is straight that he's looking. I'm

887
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: glad you brought that up, absolutely, and it actually looked

888
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: like they kind of ran the same play twice as

889
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: as Apple to see, you know, whether he's going to

890
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: make to play again. Okay, so really quickly to have

891
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: two comments. UM, I blamed the loss yesterday on I

892
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: cute i Q offensively, i Q defensively, and coaching i

893
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: Q UM going back to the fourth preseason game where

894
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: we let Danny at Line run eighty five yards on

895
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: the read options. Um, that was the sign right there

896
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: of gap intecrity. And Lennon Collins spoke about gap intecrity

897
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: and stopping seek with gap integrity. When you lack gap integrity,

898
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: it's because people are trying to overcompensate and not during

899
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: their job. You know, Um, we had Connor Barwin who

900
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: completely blows past you know, Dak Prescott for a big

901
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 1: run and um, honestly, Dak Prescott had another big run

902
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: but Curtis rally tackled him and honestly that might have

903
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: one have gone for another touchdown. So you know, Um,

904
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: we have to be able to have gap integrity and

905
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: have to be able to have I Q okay quickly.

906
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: We can't pass the ball downfield. Everybody in the free

907
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: world knows that you come after our office ave line.

908
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: That's how you beat us. Schematically, we have to be

909
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: able to get quick screens where the quick screens come

910
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: then to pass Sherman's offense where the quick screens where

911
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: the bubble screens. You know, later on at the end

912
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: of the game, we finally ran a tight end screen

913
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: to Evan Ingram. We have to run plays like that

914
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: in the beginning of the game. Now, Paul, I do

915
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: agree with you a lance, I'm not sure with one

916
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: of you guys said it about throwing it over the

917
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: top to match Dallas is six dr play and I

918
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: agree with that. But schematically, we have to be able

919
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: to get the ball out quick to our playmakers in

920
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: space and let them be able to work, you know. Um,

921
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: And my last comment is this, Eli Manning. I defend

922
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: Eli Manning thousand times. I'm called the homer. But Eli,

923
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 1: we have to get the ball out quick. It's okay

924
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: to get to check down sometimes stick with the play.

925
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: Eli Manning is one of the smartest quarterbacks that I've

926
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: seen in my life at the line of scrimmage. But time,

927
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: stick with the play. He was checking down all night.

928
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: I mean, that was the entire offense. You know. Coach

929
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: Sherman had a good answer for that in the post

930
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: game when someone was was railing him about, uh, you

931
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: know what good is the checkdown play? When it barely

932
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: gets you had a yardage? All those completions are worthless.

933
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: And Sherman said, okay, so you want him to force

934
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: the ball downfield into coverage like like, is that a

935
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: good play? Well, and speaking of that, if you remember

936
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 1: now granted this was late in the game, and appreciate

937
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: the phone call, j thanks so much, Away and Eli,

938
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: do you remember when he tried to throw it down

939
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: the field in the end zone into triple coverageohn Odell Beckham,

940
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: it was intercepted, It was out of bounds. But so

941
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: those are the types of throws that they should go

942
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: for early in the game. See, because part of the

943
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: reason is, and I know what you're you know that

944
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: the critic, because there are a lot of ELI critics

945
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: out there. They'll say, okay, but you know, at least

946
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,479
Speaker 1: try to throw it deep. Well, here's the thing. If

947
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: you don't have enough time to let the receiver develop

948
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: his route and to gain the separation. Yeah, Eli could

949
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: go back there in a second and a half and

950
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: just throw the ball deep, but the odds of a

951
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: successful play are gonna be minute. No, I'm with you.

952
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: There may not be anybody down the field pall to

953
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: receive the throw, no matter how fast back exactly because

954
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: you know, people were talking about how he overthrew a

955
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: Dell Becam in the Jacksonville game because there were times

956
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: where Eli was just immediately getting rid of it. So

957
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: if you can't hook up with the receiver, what's the purpose.

958
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: I mean, you might as well dump it down and

959
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: hope that you get maybe a three or four yard game.

960
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: But I think what people are missing is you can't

961
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: have those big plays if the protection is not executed

962
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: to perfection or not near perfection, because then Eli is

963
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: going to be impacted based on his footwork, his throw,

964
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,479
Speaker 1: and so forth. And there are a lot of times, Paul,

965
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: the minute the ball was snapped, somebody for the Cowboys

966
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: was off the edge or off a stunt on the interior,

967
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: and and Eli basically just had to brace himself. See,

968
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: I'd be okay with just adequate protection. Well, it doesn't

969
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: have to be perfect, o'nect. Well, then let me clarify

970
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say. The communication has to be

971
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: near perfection, Paul. And that's what I think is impacting

972
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: the offensive line. You know, we could talk about technique

973
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: all we want. What I saw and this is just

974
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: my own personal observation. If you looked at the offensive line,

975
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: I think it's a matter of our eyes looking at

976
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: each other before the snap and saying, hey, they're showing

977
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 1: a blitz. This guy's coming off the edge, I have him,

978
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: you take him, you move over. Those type of subtleties,

979
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: to me, I think is impacting the PLO. I asked

980
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: that question before this game when we analyze the Jaguars tape,

981
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: and there were some clear mental misques by the offensive line,

982
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: and the question was is it because guys are not

983
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: getting the proper signals. Do they not understand the proper signals?

984
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: Or is somehow some way even though they're getting them

985
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: and they understand them, then they're just not doing what

986
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: they're supposed to do. Um, I asked the three promped question.

987
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: I brought that to your attention as viewers going into

988
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: the Cowboys game. I'm still not sure which one of

989
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 1: those answers, or combination thereof it is, because at this moment,

990
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: this offensive line is not functioning properly, and so at

991
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: least one of those three things must apply or something

992
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: in between. Mixture of the two chooser one five one three.

993
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: Lenn Is in Columbia, Maryland. As we move along here,

994
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 1: how are we doing, Len? What's happening? Well, another disappointing uh,

995
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: day after but that's the way it goes. Hey, trying

996
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: to stay positive. If we've got another opportunity next week

997
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: against the nowen two teams, so you know, maybe we

998
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: get to win next week. M Hey, listen, let me

999
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: let me just say I really appreciate you guys. UM.

1000
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: You know, starting the day after the game, starting off

1001
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: the show with with um an injury report, telling us

1002
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: what you know you know, we want these guys to

1003
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: excite us and thrill us and on Sunday and and

1004
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: I often forget myself. I'm not blaming anybody else, but

1005
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: I often forget that these guys like like John Hall

1006
00:52:55,120 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: Appeal just one play away from perhaps that could or

1007
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 1: ending injury. And I hope, but I can come back

1008
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: with that. And I think you guys said, you know,

1009
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 1: you told a great story about He took a couple

1010
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 1: of minutes to tell the Halopel story. And I appreciate

1011
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: that too. It is a great story. They are people

1012
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: to lend sometimes, especially fantasy football folks. They think these

1013
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: guys are numbers and video game players. They're real people.

1014
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: They're flesh and blood. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, and it

1015
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 1: changes their lives dramatically, no question. Um. You know, uh,

1016
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Greco, he's probably you know, first man up. Um,

1017
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: we'll see for center for center. Um. You know, there's

1018
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: nothing like senior leadership. And maybe he'll provide a little

1019
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: for us, and you know, we'll get that continuity, we'll

1020
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: get the communication a little better. I'm not I'm not

1021
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: blaming John Halappel for a lack of communication. I'm just

1022
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: saying maybe Greco as a senior leader here can give

1023
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: us a little bit of that and to tighten that

1024
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: line up. Well, he's got NFL games under his belt. Again,

1025
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,439
Speaker 1: more at guard than he does it center, but he's

1026
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: been around this leagal long time. And get the senior

1027
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: leadership on the field. I think this offensive line needs

1028
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: it a little bit. Uh, And I'm not kno consoled

1029
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: and when I say that, and I just think we

1030
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 1: need a little more. And by the way, when Greco

1031
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,919
Speaker 1: was at his best with the Browns, he was known

1032
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:25,479
Speaker 1: as a better run blocker, just so you know. Yeah, okay, yeah,

1033
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: thank you for that, Thank you for that. Um, you know,

1034
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: not much more to say about, you know, the offensive

1035
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: line and the offense in general than what Joe from

1036
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania said. I think he summed it up quite well

1037
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: and you could hear the emotion in his voice. And

1038
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: that's okay with me. Um, you know, I want to

1039
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: talk about the defense a little bit. And uh, Paul, Also,

1040
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: I want to say, you know, your your time frame

1041
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: thing four weeks. I appreciate that. I think that's about

1042
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: the right time. I stretch it maybe even to six weeks.

1043
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: Maybe you go to the bye week and you start

1044
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: to make you know, you start to make a few changes. Um,

1045
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: you know, some people sit more than they have uh,

1046
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: you know, the first six eight weeks, for for example,

1047
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: right if Martin keeps playing the way he's playing on defense,

1048
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I could see Carter getting more and more

1049
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: snaps I mean Goods and you know he's running a

1050
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 1: run on the field. I'm not sure what he's really

1051
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 1: doing out there. I could see, you know, by week six,

1052
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: I could see Armstrong being a three down middle linebacker

1053
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: for the Giants unless Goodson picks up takes well and

1054
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: Armstrong has more experience than Goods in uh. And he

1055
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: also on top of that, I would say Martin's got

1056
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: more experience than Carter. And I see where you're going

1057
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: with that. And I think Carter has been, you know,

1058
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: showing some flashes in terms of his pass rushing ability

1059
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: land I think though, right now, with a young guy

1060
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: like that, I don't know if they wanted to put

1061
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: so much on his plate. And he made this clear

1062
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: when he spoke to the media a few weeks ago

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00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: that his main goal is get after the quarterback. But

1064
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: I see your point. As the season progresses, they may

1065
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: develop in me un round six, Week six, So you

1066
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: get out to the by and you begin altering the

1067
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: number of snaps that that you know, guys are getting

1068
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: if it keeps going this way. UM back on the

1069
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: on the Eli hit, I didn't you know, I didn't

1070
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: think it was helmet to helmet either, um Paul. But

1071
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: I can tell you that I can tell you this,

1072
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 1: and I think Lance alluded to it. He got rocked. Wow,

1073
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: And you know what, that's the way you're supposed to

1074
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: play defense when that quarterback's got the ball. You know

1075
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,879
Speaker 1: those r p O plays with a quarterback. I mean,

1076
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: there was some place when it looked like he held

1077
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: the ball in Elliott's belly for an exorbitant amount of time.

1078
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: I know we're only talking about a second here, but

1079
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: it was just a long period of time. Got to

1080
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: pay for that. The quarterback has got to pay, and

1081
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: he has to pay with extreme prejudice. They have to

1082
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: be punished. Eli got punished on that play, and you

1083
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: got to punish the quarterback. I mean, also wasn't sliding lens,

1084
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,919
Speaker 1: so you know, he put himself in a position where

1085
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: obviously he was gonna have to take the hit. Other quarterbacks,

1086
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: in fairness, they get out in the open field if

1087
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: they're showing slides. Sometimes that's a very tough decision for

1088
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: a defender, especially in today's NFL with the way the

1089
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: rules are laid out. If you take a chance like that,

1090
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: you could be even kicked out of the game, like

1091
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: we saw within Atlanta Falcons defender yesterday. Lance. Well, but

1092
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that was a dirty hit on Cam.

1093
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: There was a dirty hit on Cam Newton yesterday and

1094
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: a guy got ejected for that. So you gotta see

1095
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: the fine line between taking a risk versus doing what's

1096
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: not gonna cost your team. You gotta be careful with

1097
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: those quarterbacks, gonna keep that ball in that belly for

1098
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: that long. Well, but he on the fake handoff to

1099
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott, there was no one in his vicinity, so

1100
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: they sold it for a fraction of a second, and

1101
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,439
Speaker 1: then Prescott immediately ran out to the left side. Well,

1102
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: you know what, that's a good point. There's gotta be

1103
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: somebody in position to punish him. Of course, I mean

1104
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: that's the big Prescott rolled out to the left. But

1105
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: um yeah, you know, um okay. You know we talked

1106
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: about the defense keeping him in the game and so

1107
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: forth and only twenty points. But and I'm glad you

1108
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: mentioned the Barwin play. Um, she too bad he didn't

1109
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: come down with that. But that was really the only

1110
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: played The defense made turnovers? How many times did we

1111
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: was was a runner thrown for a loss? How many

1112
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: defense passes were there? I mean, you know it was

1113
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: Prescott overthrowing guys. Um, even when Elliot was running. I mean,

1114
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: come on, knocked the guy down, jump on top of him,

1115
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: throw him on the ground. I mean the guy was

1116
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: dragging two and three tacklers. I was. They held him

1117
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: to twenty points. Okay, but there was no dramatic place.

1118
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,439
Speaker 1: Now the Barwin play would have been God bless him,

1119
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: and um, you know it's just I was. I was not.

1120
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: I think I was a team loss and it was

1121
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: an organizational loss. If you want to go to the

1122
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: coaching staff. It wasn't just all on the offense. Um.

1123
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: I think Eli played as well as he could have

1124
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: under the circumstances. And you know, everybody, you know, you

1125
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: go online, you go to some of these chat rooms.

1126
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: People are you know, killing Eli. But you know who

1127
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: do they want to start on Sunday against Houston? Yeah?

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00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I mean he he gives us the

1129
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: best chance to win. I mean, we didn't draft the quarterback.

1130
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: We go on from there. This guy gives us the

1131
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,439
Speaker 1: best chance. And then I don't think any of those

1132
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: people ever saw Joe Pizarchiic play. Okay boy, those were

1133
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: the days, all right. Listen, thanks for taking into Houston,

1134
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: and uh, let's let's let's get a win. Guy, go giant.

1135
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: Appreciate the phone call. Thanks awaye, and let's head back

1136
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: to the lines, because Sean is in Maryland. Casean, what's happening? Hi, guys,

1137
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: it will be real quick. Um, so just hear me

1138
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: out if I didna say something that's unpopular. So um,

1139
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: let's take a moment and let's scratch out all of

1140
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: our Tolly's okay, so let's scratch out say Kwon Barkley,

1141
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Sterling Shepherd as an ingram, and let's go

1142
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: back to football. One on one. Two of these things

1143
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: has to be true. One or the other has to

1144
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: be true, either as you have a line that's the

1145
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: water of China back there that can give your quarterback

1146
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: the time he needs to complete a throw, or be

1147
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: you don't have a line, but you have a mobile

1148
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: quarterback that can extend plays, throw on the run, and

1149
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: avoid the rush. The New York Giants have neither. And

1150
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: this is what we're this is why we're going to

1151
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: continue to I'm sorry, guys, what what? What they displayed

1152
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: last night on prime time television was disgusting. I couldn't

1153
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: even watch the rest of that game. And it's not

1154
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: so much that Eli can't play, because I still think

1155
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: he can. And Paul, you're you're, you're the same, You're

1156
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 1: the same age as my father. You don't think that

1157
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: the league has changed so much. Look at all these guys.

1158
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: I would watch Pat my home last year. Well, I'm sorry,

1159
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: I watched Pat Mahomes just day through a seventy yard

1160
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: laser and Fitzpatrick, Matt Ryan. All these guys are running

1161
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: the rushes comings Phiodelphia. Listen to hell out of Patrick yesterday.

1162
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: But these quarterbacks they can move. Eli can't. That's not

1163
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: his game. Your your dad's gonna appreciate this comment. Would

1164
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: you would rather do is have? Aren't you manning behind

1165
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: center right now? Because he could certainly run around? Well, Sean,

1166
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 1: what about Philip Rivers is not a mobile quarterback? I

1167
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: would not consider Drew Brees a very mobile quarterback. I

1168
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: mean he has the ability to get out of the popery,

1169
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: but not not as not as mobile as DeShawn Watson

1170
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: and some of these other guys. Though. Yeah, but yes

1171
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: that's true. And don't know, don't get me wrong, you

1172
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: still have about people, but the majority of the league

1173
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,919
Speaker 1: it's changing. I mean even Jonson in a couple of days,

1174
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: like when we were because you guys were getting so

1175
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: annoyed not with you do you do you consider Brady mobile?

1176
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: And Brady Brady is not the most mobile guy in

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01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: the world. And quite honestly, the Patriots have not had

1178
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: a great offensive line throughout his career. There have been

1179
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: times where it was very suspect. What's the difference, Paul

1180
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: differences that entire Patriots organization, from top to bottom, is

1181
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: absolutely headed and shoulders above everybody else in the NFL.

1182
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: The difference is also executions and execution, I mean a

1183
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: lot goes into our teams overcome those issues. It is

1184
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: so frustrating to know who watched this Giant's offense that

1185
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 1: has all these high drastics and they can't even cost

1186
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: the fifty yard line. This is this is who we

1187
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: are yeah, it's it's it's it's not it's it's not fun. Look,

1188
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: I'm with you. We've all seen it. I mean you

1189
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: know it is at times very very painful and very frustrating.

1190
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: So I appreciate what you're saying, believe me. And all

1191
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying is it just seems like, because like I said,

1192
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: I was watching, I was watching the NFL yesterday. I'm

1193
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: watching Pat Mahomes come in and ball. I'm watching two

1194
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: Patrick Ball, Kim. I'm watching all these mobile quarterbacks, and

1195
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: it just seems like the league has slowly changed into

1196
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: these mobile quarterbacks. But none of these lines on, none

1197
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: of these offensive lines up perfect. But they have a

1198
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: quarterback that can ease vade the rush and extend to

1199
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: play with his foot, and Eli can't do that. Like

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01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: the types of quarterbacks like the Eli man Is and

1201
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: the Tom Bladies, those are on the wing. I personally,

1202
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: as a fan, I thought we had more time, but

1203
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: I see now everybody knows that the Giants don't have

1204
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: the line. We've been exposed. They're kinda I mean, you've

1205
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: got defenders going right through six socks players, I mean

1206
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: just crazy. Well, you get put on film and then

1207
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: teams start the game plan accordingly, and now they're gonna

1208
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: see what Jacksonville did, They're gonna see what Dallas did.

1209
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure J J Wan and Jadaveon Clowney are gonna

1210
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: scheme up their own ideas based on what happened in

1211
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: the first two games. There's no doubt about that. And

1212
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: I get your point, but you know, I think for

1213
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: people to simply say Benching, Eli Manning, giving Alex Tanny

1214
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: or Kyle Loletta the starting reins just because maybe they

1215
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: can move out of the post get doesn't necessarily lead

1216
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: to winning football. Though. See there are two different things.

1217
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: Well but but but in fairness, In fairness, I get that.

1218
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 1: But you know what last season at the tail end,

1219
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: when Eli Manning Street came to an end, that was

1220
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: part of the rational Geno Smith was put in. Look

1221
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: at what happened to Gino Smith in that Raiders Gameshan,

1222
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 1: despite his mobility, he still was sacked. So my point

1223
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: is simply going to a mobile quarterback thinking that's going

1224
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: to just put everything else away and cover up all

1225
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: of your issues is still not necessarily the one percent answer.

1226
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is a great mobile quarterback. He has had

1227
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: offensive line issues pretty much for the duration of his

1228
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: career since they won a Super Bowl. Yes, they've made

1229
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 1: the playoffs, but you know what, he's also gotten hurt

1230
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: as a result of his mobility and lack of protection,

1231
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: and they have not had many deep postseason runs in

1232
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: fairness too, So I think there's evidence across the board

1233
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 1: where you simply put in the mobile quarterback, it doesn't

1234
01:04:54,840 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: necessarily cover up the rest of its scor two games

1235
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:04,439
Speaker 1: with Ryan Fitzpatrick as their starting quarterback, and he can't

1236
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: move worth a damn. And I don't think anybody thinks

1237
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: that the Buccaneers offensive line is that great. And yet

1238
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: so now they've been able to produce a ton of points.

1239
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: This league has become so unpredictable for so many reasons. Again,

1240
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 1: it is the quicksand of mediocrity. And what we really

1241
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: have learned, for the most part is that what you

1242
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,479
Speaker 1: put on tape one Sunday almost doesn't seem to matter

1243
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: a whole lot the next Sunday. And that's what really stinks,

1244
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: because you want to be able to hang your hat

1245
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: on something from the current game that you can count

1246
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: on next week. And and you know, again, what do

1247
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: you think the Redskins and Eagles are happy today after

1248
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: they thought they were world beaters in week one. I mean,

1249
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty disgusting. I'm just going to leave you

1250
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: with this. Like I am as a fan, I love

1251
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: the Giants, I really do, but I am just so frustrate.

1252
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: I am so sick and tired of my team. Look

1253
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, I said and watched football all

1254
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: day and I was telling myself, I'm like, watch, you're

1255
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: gonna see look how look how these office is not

1256
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: just they're just slowing. They don't even they don't even

1257
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: they don't even school all the time. Sometimes they count.

1258
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: But the office flows. The wide receiver catches, the tight

1259
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: end catches the running back like it flows. When you

1260
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: watch the Giants, it's so it's so anneenic, it's so uneasy,

1261
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: like it takes so much for us to gain a yard.

1262
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 1: It's not it's not entertaining. Because Sean, I will say

1263
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: one thing to you before you go, and we we

1264
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: do have to run. Bill Parcels used to believe in

1265
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: what he called the psychology of results, and and by

1266
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: that he used to say winning breeds winning and losing breeds, losing.

1267
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: The quicker that this reconstituted Giants team can get a win,

1268
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: the much better off that they will be because you

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Speaker 1: don't want to get used to losing now, because the

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Speaker 1: roster has been turned over many times. I don't buy

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Speaker 1: that last year's three wins necessarily follows them into two eighteen.

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Speaker 1: But what I will say is a two game losing

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Speaker 1: streak is enough. This team now has to dig their

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Speaker 1: heels in, sharpen their claws, sharpen their teeth, and say

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Speaker 1: enough is enough. Three losses in a row will not happen,

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Speaker 1: and we must do everything we can to will it

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Speaker 1: to go the other way. And that's just the way

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Speaker 1: it has to bait. They've got to dig their heels

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Speaker 1: in and and draw the line in the sand and

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Speaker 1: make Houston pay for it, much like Dallas made the

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Speaker 1: Giants pay for it last night. Alan appreciate the phone call.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, you got it, Thanks so much for weighing in.

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Speaker 1: The thing is, the Houston Texans are coming in with

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Speaker 1: the same exact philosophy, Paul, that you laid out for

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Speaker 1: The Giants understood, they're also in an old two hole.

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Speaker 1: They're also saying it's unacceptable, and they're also saying we

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Speaker 1: don't want to lose, so let the stronger will team

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Speaker 1: win because, as again, back to back is back to back,

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Speaker 1: three makes a streak. Okay, the idea is not to

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Speaker 1: have a losing streak. You lose back to back, that's

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Speaker 1: all it is. You don't want to lose three in

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Speaker 1: a row. That's the first sign of warning. We want

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Speaker 1: They should a biglue Kickoff Lives certainly appreciate everybody for

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Speaker 1: weighing in our full recap of the Cowboys Giants game

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Speaker 1: from Sunday night. Big Blue Kickoff Live will be up

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Speaker 1: and running again tomorrow one thirty pm Eastern. Pat Schirmer's

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Speaker 1: gonna have a conference call with reporters later today, so

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Speaker 1: stay lock to Giants dot com for all the latest.

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Speaker 1: For Paul to Tino, I'm Lance Meadow. Enjoy the rest

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Speaker 1: of your Monday right here on Giants dot com. I

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Speaker 1: have a going