WEBVTT - Pod Meets Twirl'd: The Traitors 402

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to pod meets Twirld, a podcast from two guys

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<v Speaker 1>who had never seen an episode of Dancing with the Stars,

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<v Speaker 1>but took it on and walked away experts. So now

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<v Speaker 1>we turned to Traders, another show I've never seen, but

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<v Speaker 1>Will is convinced that he could win. We are Wilfred

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<v Speaker 1>Ell and Ryder Strong, two best friends, one a TV expert,

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<v Speaker 1>one a TV skeptic, both dance scholars, join us as

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<v Speaker 1>we step into a castle full of lies, alliances, and

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<v Speaker 1>over the top wardrobe choices. This is Pod meets Twirld

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<v Speaker 1>Trading places.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, yes, episode at least at least put your

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<v Speaker 2>hoodie up.

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<v Speaker 3>I no, I had, I had the whole thing going.

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<v Speaker 3>I had it, I had, I had it going. But eventually,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I gotta get I got I'm at work this.

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<v Speaker 3>I need a new I need a new one. This

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<v Speaker 3>is well. When I go on the show, I'll get

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<v Speaker 3>my own.

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<v Speaker 1>M I want one of those gold face masks.

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<v Speaker 2>I can get you one of those. I can get

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<v Speaker 2>you one of those five minutes. Oh, I got a

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<v Speaker 2>gold face mask.

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<v Speaker 1>Guy, I got it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's easy. That's cake.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's very squid games, actually squid game a little

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<v Speaker 2>that and a little uh what's the Tom Cruise X movie?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, eyes wide shut, Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Little eyes wide shut. Oh my god, I've gone turtle,

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<v Speaker 2>I trap myself. Hang on, all right, there we go.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, we're good.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. We continue our journey with Traders Season four,

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<v Speaker 1>episode two. We already kind of spoiled it at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of our last episode because all three of first

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<v Speaker 1>episodes dropped and we just yeah, yeah, so do they

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<v Speaker 1>normally do this where they delay like who actually got

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<v Speaker 1>murdered until the next episode?

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<v Speaker 2>Or yes, apparently according to producing Tara, thank god she's

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<v Speaker 2>here because we wouldn't be going what's going on? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's how we were doing Dancing with Stars.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's uh yeah, it's really really big on

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<v Speaker 1>the cliffhangers on this show. Yeah, Like that's just my god.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like whatever that movie was with Sylvester Stallone Edge.

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<v Speaker 3>What is it called Cliffhanger?

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<v Speaker 1>It's just literally called got So beginning of episode two,

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<v Speaker 1>we pick up at the cliffhanger where the Traders are

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<v Speaker 1>deciding who to murder and then the next morning, so

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<v Speaker 1>they only know who was murdered based on who doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>get into breakfast.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, who doesn't show up to that phenomenal meal which

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<v Speaker 2>if you pause, it had some great pastries, there was

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<v Speaker 2>a potato dish, there was some good eggs that were

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<v Speaker 2>up there. Clearly juices from all around the world that

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<v Speaker 2>worth the price of admission right there at the castle,

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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, the Trader breakfast.

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<v Speaker 1>And then is it Derinda that walked in and got applause?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because she was kicked off first to the last

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<v Speaker 2>episode and she's like kind of again, never seen a

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<v Speaker 2>Housewives in my life, but she's very like.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know if she.

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<v Speaker 2>Was a good like a good housewife, if she was

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<v Speaker 2>a good witch or a bad witch. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>they liked her and the Housewives, I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought was sweet that they like gave her

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<v Speaker 1>this moment and she started crying. It was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well you made it one night.

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<v Speaker 2>Well she flew all the way to Scotland the last

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<v Speaker 2>time it was there like eight hours, and it's like

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<v Speaker 2>they thinks that's the other question is if your if

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<v Speaker 2>you do get murdered or are kicked off the show,

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<v Speaker 2>they have to make sure that you're you don't tell anybody,

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<v Speaker 2>So I imagine you're essentially sequestered for the next two

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<v Speaker 2>weeks or however long.

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<v Speaker 1>You're kidding me, You have a vacation in Scotland to

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<v Speaker 1>do nothing but hang out on the hotel.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they probably will not let you leave the hotel

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<v Speaker 2>because then someone will take a picture of you and

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<v Speaker 2>they'll know that you were kicked off the show. So

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<v Speaker 2>you're probably in a hotel room not being able to

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<v Speaker 2>leave for like ten days.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>The choices for to be murdered were Ian, who is

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<v Speaker 1>a smart gamer, Mark, which seemed kind of random to me, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because agree Adam spoken up or made a name for

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<v Speaker 1>himself in any way. And Eric the singer can draw.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Eric the singer who I don't know who is,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's also seemed very low key, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>understand why they you know, I didn't know who to pick.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess my only thought was, like, Ian, because he

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<v Speaker 1>seems like he's a gamer.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I would think, because again, at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>you're kind of throwing darts, right, I mean, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>really know any of these people.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody's formed any real alliances.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's why I was confused that they that the

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<v Speaker 1>traders did not use this information to try and figure

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<v Speaker 1>out who the secret trader was, right, because they definitely

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<v Speaker 1>picked four low key dudes, like there was no big

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<v Speaker 1>personalities in here. Yeah, and I don't know what that

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<v Speaker 1>really means. But they didn't even talk about it. They

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<v Speaker 1>were just like ah, and then they at breakfast. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>Ian didn't show up, and uh we got the sequence

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<v Speaker 1>where he gets his little like you know, murder card

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, and he says it's kind of a candied

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<v Speaker 1>compliment to be murdered, which I thought was true.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, you could be a threat. We haven't even

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<v Speaker 2>started yet. You could be a threat, so it's time

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<v Speaker 2>that you go. That makes sense. I don't think Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Rappaport would have taken it as a a sign of respect.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he would have flipped over tables and smashed stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's he seems like an emotional that's a good

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<v Speaker 1>way to put it. An emotional baby, an emotional player, yes, player, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just tan from after it was it was just it's

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<v Speaker 1>like he talked about it at one point. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a trash talk over it. It's like, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>can you can you realize it's not working? Like at

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<v Speaker 1>a certain point, It's never going to be good for you, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just they're going to vote you off whether they

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<v Speaker 2>think you're a faithful or not. At some point they're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be like, we don't really care.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, agreed.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Alan Cummings showed up and is very shy

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<v Speaker 1>in the outfit this is.

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<v Speaker 3>Time. Yeah, it's perfect. Wait, I have I have a

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<v Speaker 3>question for you.

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<v Speaker 2>First, you said at the beginning of the last episode

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<v Speaker 2>or throughout the beginning of the first episode, you're the

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<v Speaker 2>woman from Survivor that.

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<v Speaker 3>You liked who uh uh Natalie.

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<v Speaker 2>Natalie was one of your favorites, and so is Mark

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<v Speaker 2>starting episode two? What you saw with episode one? Has

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<v Speaker 2>that changed at all? Are the Are they still kind

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<v Speaker 2>of your favorites or are is anything changed for you

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<v Speaker 2>between two and one.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I was starting to think that that Jam

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<v Speaker 1>Jam really had a good shot at this point because

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<v Speaker 1>he was playing a good social game, like he seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like he had people liking him and he was working hard.

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<v Speaker 1>By the end of episode two, I did not feel

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<v Speaker 1>the same way, But at this point I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>Jam Jam's got a good shot if he had one Survivor,

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<v Speaker 1>which I didn't realize he's a very likable person. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he seemed like he was making a lot of friends

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<v Speaker 1>at this point and like building the kind of reputation

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<v Speaker 1>you want, you know. But I mean, now, having seen

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<v Speaker 1>all three episodes, I'm much more like it's better to

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<v Speaker 1>fly under the radar.

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<v Speaker 3>I think so too early on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was a big fan of Rob c by

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<v Speaker 2>this point from Survivor, who seemed to be playing the game,

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<v Speaker 2>like really playing the game.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, right before he got murdered. I felt that, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we're assuming all three episodes of Drops everyone's yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>catching up. But yeah, no, I mean like I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like the biggest, like the poorest player in my mind

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<v Speaker 1>is Portie, yes at this point, and I don't like

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<v Speaker 1>the Candice is playing way too hard.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I agree with you and Michael's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>those three are the worst, the worst players in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least I guess saying it playing it not

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<v Speaker 2>the way that I would play it. You're being very loud,

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<v Speaker 2>You're being it's like you don't ever especially if you're

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<v Speaker 2>a trader.

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<v Speaker 3>I would imagine you want to be the center of attention. No, like,

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<v Speaker 3>why would you do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you so little seeds to doubt and you

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<v Speaker 2>walk away, do you everything with a whisper?

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<v Speaker 3>You shouldn't be yelling all right?

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<v Speaker 1>After breakfast, everyone dispersed, and then this is where the

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<v Speaker 1>suspicion started to turn on Donna. You had Colton, Lisa,

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<v Speaker 1>and Natalie talking about Donna being suspicious.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, what, oh, come on, she's the most suspicious.

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<v Speaker 1>I got so upset. That's so funny because I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>this poor woman is not a reality star exactly. She's

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<v Speaker 1>just like everyone's like, she's so low key. She's not

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<v Speaker 1>like super talkative. So at this point I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>these like reality actory types, performative people just can't handle

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that this woman isn't as like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>performative as them. Isn't like playing hard or trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get out there. She was just kind of just chill,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like a normal human being. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>why are they picking on her?

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<v Speaker 2>Because she You're coming into a thing where it's a game.

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<v Speaker 2>You imagine that it moves very quickly, so they shoot

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<v Speaker 2>over a week or ten days, whatever it is, the

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<v Speaker 2>entire season, and if you're there, you're quiet the whole time.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not talking strategy at all. You're not making any friends.

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<v Speaker 2>You just you stand out.

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<v Speaker 1>You just do and and but she also already stands

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<v Speaker 1>out because she's older than everybody. Yeah, she's just I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I was just I felt so sorry for her,

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<v Speaker 1>and they turned on her.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's going to happen well, because again, she's

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<v Speaker 2>the first one I would have picked to a been

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<v Speaker 2>a secret trader, very first one I would have picked

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<v Speaker 2>would have been her. Yeah, because it's amazing, She's she's perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>No one wants to vote for her because of the Swifties.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone loves her, she's the mom. She's probably the nicest

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<v Speaker 2>person in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the first person.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly right, And I would have to stuck my foot

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<v Speaker 1>in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the other thing I think though about this game.

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<v Speaker 2>This game to me is like Jeopardy in that I'll

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<v Speaker 2>bet you everyone's graded it in their house, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the second you get there, you're like, I suck at this.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think you would drive, I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if I would.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it would be one of those things where

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'd be a lot better than I actually would.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel the same way with Jeopardy. I win Jeopardy

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<v Speaker 2>every night. I bet you I'd stand with there with

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<v Speaker 2>a buzzer in my hand and not get one.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right. Also during this period, Portia slips up

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<v Speaker 1>and says that she killed Ian, which is like, why

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<v Speaker 1>did she say that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't, I don't know, and she clearly said it,

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<v Speaker 2>like clearly said basically when I was a trader had

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<v Speaker 2>killed it.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, wait a minute, wait it was.

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<v Speaker 1>What Yeah, And at this point I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>she is a secret trader. Yeah. I was thoroughly convinced,

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<v Speaker 1>and like Ron and Donna's POV throughout the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, I was totally on board with I why

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<v Speaker 1>are not more people listening to this very obvious thing,

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<v Speaker 1>Like she mentioned that there's four traders and says, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we killed you and last night, however she put it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, that's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>I that This is when I started to go like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it isn't Donna, because she did this Porsche screwed

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<v Speaker 2>up so badly a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 3>That it's got to be her. Yeah, yeah, so it

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<v Speaker 3>that wasn't That wasn't good.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we as then I start to Then I

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<v Speaker 2>started to flip flop because I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, maybe maybe she's just not that good at this.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, she just misspoke because she's just bad not

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<v Speaker 3>at this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, turns out that's the case.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, yes, that's what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was like, I can't believe this person would

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<v Speaker 1>actually be that bad, right they were, Yeah, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been surprised with everything so far. I'm a really

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<v Speaker 1>bad player of this game, on the mission players on Thrones.

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<v Speaker 1>This was cool. This is where I just fell in

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<v Speaker 1>love with the atmosphere, and you know, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so into this. I just want to go hang

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<v Speaker 1>out in the woods by this castle. I love the

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<v Speaker 1>shields picking up money. It's just like robin Hood Princes

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<v Speaker 1>of Thieves. I'm like, yeah, I want to be there.

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<v Speaker 2>Every time they do the high shots driving in the

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<v Speaker 2>cars through just the gorgeous Scottish islands.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, oh my god, it's amazing, amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. So, based on weight and size, they went

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<v Speaker 1>with three smaller women, which makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Smart yep.

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<v Speaker 1>So you had Candace, Caroline, and Tiffany. Candace being one

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<v Speaker 1>of the traders, but also being picked first was and

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<v Speaker 1>somebody pointed this out not a good call. You're definitely

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<v Speaker 1>going to get swapped. There's no way you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be protected. So yeah, I should explain that if you

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<v Speaker 1>were you were in the throne at the arrival at

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<v Speaker 1>the castle, you were protected from being murdered then that night.

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<v Speaker 3>And you have to find these little tokens, and I found.

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<v Speaker 1>You can swap stretch out right, but also you could

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<v Speaker 1>share that token with whoever whoever you wanted to, which,

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<v Speaker 1>which immediately what people did. So at the first stop,

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<v Speaker 1>which was like an orchard, people were running around, found

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<v Speaker 1>some tokens. Lisa swapped with Caroline, Drinda swapped with Candace.

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<v Speaker 1>Second stop, Caroline swap with Tiffany, Mora swap with Derinda.

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<v Speaker 1>All of this was like just kind of chaos.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not keeping track really of what's going on now,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think you're supposed to do. You run around,

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<v Speaker 2>you try to find bags, you run back to whoever's

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<v Speaker 2>on your team. It's very chaotic. There's no real rhyme

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<v Speaker 2>or reason to any of their challenges. They just seem

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<v Speaker 2>very frantic.

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<v Speaker 1>Although this was when I started to realize that Colton

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<v Speaker 1>is a really good player of this game.

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<v Speaker 3>I know I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>He actually looked at this situation and explained it perfectly.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, you don't want to swap too early, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not even go look for tokens until the final stop,

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<v Speaker 1>which was brilliant and guess who found a token and

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<v Speaker 1>was able to save himself. It was the smartest move

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<v Speaker 1>because like, if he had gotten it earlier, he's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the bigger guys, people would have swapped with him

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<v Speaker 1>and immediately, so he was like two steps ahead. He

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<v Speaker 1>knows what's going.

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<v Speaker 2>On, strength and brains. The guy's kind of got the

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<v Speaker 2>whole package from the.

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<v Speaker 1>Because then later we'll get into it, like his whole

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<v Speaker 1>Donna thing, which I was like, dude, get off the

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<v Speaker 1>Donna turned out.

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<v Speaker 2>To be exactly Yes, this guy knows what the best player,

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<v Speaker 2>so he's a good He's a really good player.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Rob found a token and gave it to

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<v Speaker 1>jam Jam, and jam Jam swapped with Mara, who A did.

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<v Speaker 2>Not like seen her going like, you know, don't, don't

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<v Speaker 2>You're not going to do it to that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, she's like begging and it's like and

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<v Speaker 2>it was a little sad where it's like.

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<v Speaker 3>Did get off get out of the chair. Yeah, it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>come on.

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<v Speaker 4>But then when they make it Michael, dude, he runs over, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>and he just starts screaming at Yam Yam, or about

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<v Speaker 4>you and it's our jam Jam and it's like, dude,

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<v Speaker 4>he didn't do it against you, Like, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything's about him. He's like, well, I thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a discussion. No, they didn't say it

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be a discussion. They said, who ever

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<v Speaker 2>found the token, right, can swap it. Wasn't you then

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<v Speaker 2>get to discuss who on your team who gets the token.

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<v Speaker 3>No one ever said that right, So yeah it was.

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<v Speaker 3>But again you're right about it anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Why would why would Michael Rapper like he just thinks

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<v Speaker 1>that he's.

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<v Speaker 2>He thought because I think I think in his line

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<v Speaker 2>of thinking, he was way more vulnerable than Jam Jam

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<v Speaker 2>after the night before and everything that happened at the roundtable,

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<v Speaker 2>So they should have discussed who was going to get

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<v Speaker 2>the token and get on the seat, which again.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened the night before at the roundtable, everyone was.

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<v Speaker 2>Calling out different people, and Michael was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>people called out just because he was He's loud and brash.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait had they even have it? I'm like losing track.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if we'd had a round table yet.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, there's a murder. You're right, it's not the

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<v Speaker 2>round tubby yet. No, they discuss it at the round

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<v Speaker 2>table after, you're right, we'll right my bad mind. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So he made it all about him without I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 2>what it was. He thought he was vulnerable because they

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<v Speaker 2>went and put a car out of their way to put.

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<v Speaker 3>A coffin in his grave. But who cares exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>But if he took it personally to where it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm totally I'm vulnerable because of that. So we should

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<v Speaker 2>have discussed people exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so dumb and like jam Jam got the thing,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, he got the token, so go with

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<v Speaker 1>it man, like he can.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're also just keep putting a target on your

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<v Speaker 3>back by.

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<v Speaker 1>Being an ass.

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<v Speaker 3>What are you doing, dude? What are you doing? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And I love they kept it was so big at

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<v Speaker 2>times that everyone else was discussing like is he the

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<v Speaker 2>the like the best trader in history because there's no

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<v Speaker 2>way he can be a trader because who the hell

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<v Speaker 2>would play it like this? Or is he just a

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<v Speaker 2>really bad faithful, like they had no idea, I know, because.

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<v Speaker 3>He's there, hasn't been around table yet.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, yeah, no, That's why I was like, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>you're just making it about you. I mean, because then

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<v Speaker 1>of course the round table becomes about him, about him,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like attacking jam Jam. You're like, why let

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<v Speaker 1>it go? Man? And also at this point, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not knowing who the secret trader was, I was, I

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<v Speaker 1>really didn't. I pretty Jamjam wanting to protect himself made sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, yeah, that makes him more likely a faithful.

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<v Speaker 1>So you didn't think it was Donna. If you had

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<v Speaker 1>to put your money down at this point, who did

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<v Speaker 1>you think the secret trader was? It's hard to remember, honestly.

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<v Speaker 1>Like once, once the conflict between jam Jam and Michael

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<v Speaker 1>got as heated as it did, I was like, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it is one of them, because they were they kept

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<v Speaker 1>going back to that same debate. I was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to let this go. And the fact that

0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:52.000
<v Speaker 1>they kept getting into it, I was like, one of

0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.360
<v Speaker 1>them is maybe just playing this too hard to try

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<v Speaker 1>and deflect, because like they they felt that the crosshairs

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<v Speaker 1>pointed at them and so they had to point at

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<v Speaker 1>the other you know what I mean, like, which turned

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<v Speaker 1>out to not be the case at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that's the joy, that's the joy. You just you

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<v Speaker 2>drop the grenade in the middle of the room and

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<v Speaker 2>you walk away.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it'd's so bad, Like it's just protesting way too much.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was That was a weird confrontation.

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<v Speaker 2>And even Alan Cumming was like, hey, why this is

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<v Speaker 2>something you could probably discuss.

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<v Speaker 1>We're still got to show to do here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's a g again. I'm going to give my

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<v Speaker 2>flowers every week. Alan Cumming is a really engaging host.

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<v Speaker 2>He's very good at this. It's the fabulous thing and

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of this subdude comedy.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I think some of it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>I like it. I like it, but it's very script

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<v Speaker 1>it's very like delivering.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's what I love.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but but it's very different from like like there's

0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:55.600
<v Speaker 1>not as much hosting skill going on into it's acting skill.

0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:59.920
<v Speaker 1>It's just like playing this funny, over the top character.

0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:03.000
<v Speaker 3>Or scripted is the host like oh he's so.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what's amazing is that it's actually right and still

0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.120
<v Speaker 1>a genius like he he's like one of the few

0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:12.320
<v Speaker 1>hosts that when I watch it, I'm like, you deserve

0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:14.920
<v Speaker 1>all the money and all the credit. And I'm sure

0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:18.199
<v Speaker 1>he has an earpiece, but he is constantly engaging with

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<v Speaker 1>people and having real He runs the tribal councils and

0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:24.280
<v Speaker 1>so he has to just roll with whatever they're giving

0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:28.320
<v Speaker 1>him on an unscripted basis. And he is amazing because.

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<v Speaker 3>I've done it for what forty seasons?

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<v Speaker 1>It has always been great, and everybody respects him, everybody

0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.520
<v Speaker 1>listens to him. He's able to control the game, control

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation without ever really taking a side or making it.

0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:42.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like basically a group therapy session every night,

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<v Speaker 1>and he is so good at it. So I guess

0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.080
<v Speaker 1>that is like the high bar that I know, where's

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<v Speaker 1>Alan coming? Besides this little trying to comment down. Ya,

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<v Speaker 1>He's a great entertainment. It's just about doing his thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it makes sense, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So the group dispersed for dinner, really started zeroing in

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<v Speaker 1>on a portion.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you see what they were having for dinner? Couldn't tell.

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<v Speaker 2>It looked like a decent spread though, looks like the

0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:06.560
<v Speaker 2>food there is pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, and then in the kitchen, if.

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<v Speaker 1>They do like a whole follow up episode, like a

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<v Speaker 1>companion just on the food.

0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:14.159
<v Speaker 2>The castle and the kits because in the kitchen they

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<v Speaker 2>have all the candy like around the kitchen area, like

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<v Speaker 2>everything's all set up.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd like to add like a tour of the food

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<v Speaker 3>of the castle. If we can get that, that'd be great.

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<v Speaker 1>God, they must be offering like vacation packages for people

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<v Speaker 1>to go to the castle or live the trader's lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>They probably run games there like like that they'll play

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<v Speaker 2>like a mafia or something in the castle.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll bet you that.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember it. Like there there are D and

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<v Speaker 1>D groups that do this where they go to castles

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<v Speaker 1>and play D and D yes and because when I

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<v Speaker 1>saw that roundtable, I was like, that's a perfect gaming table.

0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:49.800
<v Speaker 1>How fun would it be to good place D a castle?

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<v Speaker 1>Like has Critical Role done that where they film it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if they've done that, but I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>they will.

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<v Speaker 1>They should.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm sure they're.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to someplace like like if they were just playing

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<v Speaker 1>D and D H on this show, I'd kind of

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<v Speaker 1>be into it. I think i'd watch it because like

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't watched Chronical role because they're all just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like in a room if they were like at

0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:09.919
<v Speaker 1>a castle, and then you got to see them like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I'm kind of into it.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, we should put it together, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Second round table begins. Natalie started the conversation calling out Donna,

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<v Speaker 1>which I was like, poor Donna. This is where I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>what is going on? I was starting to think maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I was like ageism ages and also like like just

0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:34.720
<v Speaker 1>because she's not a big, like fancy dressed reality star,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna pick on her.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, man, realism reels.

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<v Speaker 1>It just felt it just felt like bullying to me. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Ron brought up his very reasonable evidence.

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<v Speaker 3>He again came with receipts.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:52.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:57.200
<v Speaker 1>But then Michael does the same freaking thing. He says, well,

0:21:57.200 --> 0:22:00.600
<v Speaker 1>when we killed ID, and I actually gave him the

0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:02.480
<v Speaker 1>benefit of the doubt because I could tell by the

0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:04.120
<v Speaker 1>way he was trying to I was like.

0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:06.480
<v Speaker 3>We gave him more of a benefit of Yeah, yeah,

0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:06.800
<v Speaker 3>that's what.

0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:08.920
<v Speaker 1>I gave him more a benefit of the doubt than her,

0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:11.520
<v Speaker 1>Like she just said it apropos of nothing.

0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:16.480
<v Speaker 2>I was and multiple times she said a couple of things, yes, yeah, but.

0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:18.879
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't believe that. Like, here they are presenting evidence

0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:20.840
<v Speaker 1>about how you don't say that, and then he just

0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:24.359
<v Speaker 1>does it. It's like, dude, watch watch yourself.

0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:26.879
<v Speaker 2>And then everyone was like, whoa, whoa, what did you

0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:29.520
<v Speaker 2>just Okay? Would that have changed your mind? If you

0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:31.280
<v Speaker 2>were sitting at the table and you heard Michael say

0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:34.080
<v Speaker 2>when we kill the end, would you have changed your vote? A?

0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:37.399
<v Speaker 2>Who would you have been voting for already? And B

0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:38.960
<v Speaker 2>would you have changed it because of Michael?

0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:41.359
<v Speaker 1>Based on what was said at this table, there was

0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:43.959
<v Speaker 1>no doubt in my mind that Porsche was the right vote.

0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:45.800
<v Speaker 3>I think I would have I would have stuck with

0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:46.280
<v Speaker 3>Porsche too.

0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:48.480
<v Speaker 2>That would have been I was I had switched from

0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:51.360
<v Speaker 2>down at a Porsche by that point because there were literal

0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:52.680
<v Speaker 2>receipts like.

0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:54.240
<v Speaker 3>Okay, there's some actual evidence.

0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:57.359
<v Speaker 1>Yes, everything else is really and and that's what's tricky

0:22:57.359 --> 0:22:59.119
<v Speaker 1>about this game for me. It's like so much of

0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:04.320
<v Speaker 1>it is really just vibes, you know, innuendo and like

0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:06.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't trust you, I trust you, and it's like

0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:09.800
<v Speaker 1>that's really hard. That's what I like about the fact

0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:12.920
<v Speaker 1>that the secret Trader was unknown to us, Yeah, because

0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:16.320
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's a little easy when you know

0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:18.960
<v Speaker 1>who's a trader and who's not to see them lying

0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:22.160
<v Speaker 1>or to see them not lying, whereas when you really

0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:26.000
<v Speaker 1>don't know, like we didn't these first couple episodes. I

0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:28.720
<v Speaker 1>I was pretty on board with the Porsche boat, you know.

0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:30.800
<v Speaker 1>I was there's no doubt in my mind. I was like, you, yad,

0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:33.359
<v Speaker 1>just vote for her. So I was. I was genuinely

0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:35.680
<v Speaker 1>shocked when she turned out to be a faithful.

0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:36.200
<v Speaker 5>See.

0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:40.119
<v Speaker 2>It was one of two things for me. I was like, Okay,

0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:44.720
<v Speaker 2>so she's the secret trader or she's just really really

0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:48.760
<v Speaker 2>bad bad at this. And I I didn't know which

0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:50.280
<v Speaker 2>way to go. It's like, if she says she's a

0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:53.080
<v Speaker 2>faithful or if she says she's a trader, I'll be like, oh, okay,

0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:55.240
<v Speaker 2>yeah they got her. I was like, but I'm kind

0:23:55.240 --> 0:23:57.320
<v Speaker 2>of leaning towards the fact that she's just kind of

0:23:57.359 --> 0:23:58.080
<v Speaker 2>bad at this. Yeah.

0:23:58.160 --> 0:23:59.720
<v Speaker 1>You know what. I don't even think it was that

0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:01.680
<v Speaker 1>she said though, like we killed you and or I

0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:04.440
<v Speaker 1>killed anything. It was when she said that there were

0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:06.240
<v Speaker 1>four traders, Yeah, how do you know how many traders?

0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:08.560
<v Speaker 1>That's when I was like, yeah, oh, if they're not

0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:12.520
<v Speaker 1>supposed to know, and if you were the secret trader,

0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:16.359
<v Speaker 1>you would know that there were four because exactly what

0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:19.159
<v Speaker 1>you said last episode that they would have to have

0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:21.159
<v Speaker 1>a list of four names, right, Because then it was

0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:24.360
<v Speaker 1>I was like, she knows, she knows. I thought for

0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:27.080
<v Speaker 1>sure we were, we were revealing the secret.

0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:29.080
<v Speaker 3>I was fifty to fifty bad player fifty.

0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:32.359
<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, for the first vote, if

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:34.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know who it is, and somebody does come

0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:37.199
<v Speaker 2>with literal receipts, where other people also chimed in, like,

0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:39.520
<v Speaker 2>oh I heard her say that too. How do you

0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:41.600
<v Speaker 2>not vote for the person where there's receipts, I mean

0:24:41.640 --> 0:24:43.280
<v Speaker 2>there's some form of evidence.

0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:43.720
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:01.280
<v Speaker 1>So there were some votes for Donna, which didn't make

0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:05.719
<v Speaker 1>sense to me, votes for Michael totally made sense. And

0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:08.080
<v Speaker 1>then Portia, which is what exactly what I who I

0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:11.680
<v Speaker 1>would have voted for game I think, not even thought

0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:15.480
<v Speaker 1>twice about it. And then she was banished. She goes

0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:20.760
<v Speaker 1>to the banished, banished goes to the circle of honesty, the.

0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Truth, the circle of truth, and then she's a faithful.

0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:26.960
<v Speaker 3>Faithful man.

0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, I mean she didn't really defend herself very well.

0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:35.040
<v Speaker 2>No, I just again, I don't think this was her game,

0:25:36.560 --> 0:25:39.760
<v Speaker 2>and I you know, didn't didn't speak well, didn't form alliances,

0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:43.880
<v Speaker 2>didn't play well particularly in the challenges, didn't defend herself

0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:44.879
<v Speaker 2>properly at the table.

0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:46.760
<v Speaker 3>She was the first out.

0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:47.239
<v Speaker 5>Well.

0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Then the players broke into small groups to talk about

0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:54.439
<v Speaker 1>the roundtable and started pointy fingers at Ron, saying he

0:25:54.640 --> 0:25:55.400
<v Speaker 1>is the trader.

0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:58.800
<v Speaker 2>This is the thing about this game. Anytime somebody points

0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:02.720
<v Speaker 2>out somebody else. But dude, he had actual receipts, like

0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:03.160
<v Speaker 2>you said.

0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:07.159
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't saying I think it's poorsia because I just

0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:09.680
<v Speaker 1>have a feeling. He was like, look, I overheard this,

0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:14.200
<v Speaker 1>so I'm just gonna say, you know, if the choice

0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:17.600
<v Speaker 1>is between Donna and this person, this person, we actually

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:22.080
<v Speaker 1>can say why, there's reasoning. That was like evidence I

0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:24.240
<v Speaker 1>feel like Ron at this point, I was like, Ron

0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:26.240
<v Speaker 1>is getting the short end of the stick and totally

0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:28.720
<v Speaker 1>TINU to feel that way. I do all three of

0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:33.080
<v Speaker 1>these episodes. I feel like he is being reasonable. He is,

0:26:32.880 --> 0:26:36.920
<v Speaker 1>he is, he is expressing himself unemotionally, he's not pointing

0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:40.800
<v Speaker 1>fingers needlessly, and he's he's doing it respectfully. Yeah, I know,

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:42.399
<v Speaker 1>and he's losing for it.

0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:45.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's actually turning on him, and you saw the

0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:48.880
<v Speaker 2>next day at breakfast when somebody said they're like, oh, well,

0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:51.520
<v Speaker 2>it makes no sense that Ron didn't tell anybody heard

0:26:51.560 --> 0:26:53.439
<v Speaker 2>this thing. And Donna was on, who was like, well, no,

0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:56.000
<v Speaker 2>he did tell some people. Yeah, he told me and Michael.

0:26:56.240 --> 0:26:58.119
<v Speaker 1>He also said that the round table, I.

0:26:58.119 --> 0:27:00.119
<v Speaker 2>Know, but even before, but they're saying, like before, like

0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:02.159
<v Speaker 2>why before the round table would you if you heard this,

0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 2>why would you not tell anybody? And it was Donna

0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:05.480
<v Speaker 2>was like, no, he did. He told me, and he

0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:08.160
<v Speaker 2>told Michael. And the problem is people weren't trusting Donna

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:10.680
<v Speaker 2>and Michael at that point, right, So it's like, then

0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:12.720
<v Speaker 2>why does that met Well, oh oh he told the

0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:13.959
<v Speaker 2>other people we don't trust.

0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:16.399
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's why you have to be super social in

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:18.840
<v Speaker 1>this game. You have to just get to know and

0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:21.040
<v Speaker 1>just get to hang out with people, which I feel

0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:24.360
<v Speaker 1>like the Housewives are very good at, Like they are

0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:27.840
<v Speaker 1>socially engaging with everybody and they're making everybody feel like

0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:32.280
<v Speaker 1>they have some kind of connection, because I mean, the

0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Housewives really they're killing it.

0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:38.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, if I know my housewife lore, which I don't

0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:39.880
<v Speaker 2>literally never seen an episode of Housewives in my life,

0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:42.040
<v Speaker 2>but if I know anything about housewives. It's a show

0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:46.520
<v Speaker 2>about drunken backstabbing, which is what this is. I mean,

0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:48.439
<v Speaker 2>you're literally they just made a game. It might as

0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:51.280
<v Speaker 2>well be called to Find the Secret Housewife, right, you

0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean?

0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:53.720
<v Speaker 3>I mean this is what they do for a living.

0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 3>Do you think social skills are more important than strategy? Well, again,

0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:02.240
<v Speaker 3>what's the strategy unless you're a trick if you're faithful,

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:05.159
<v Speaker 3>is there a strategy because you're just I'm gonna be

0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:07.199
<v Speaker 3>as honest as I can. I'm going to try to

0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:09.719
<v Speaker 3>look for signals for other people. But what would your

0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:10.399
<v Speaker 3>strategy be?

0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:13.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, because like at this point, from this

0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:15.680
<v Speaker 1>point in the three episodes, all the way through the

0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:18.440
<v Speaker 1>end of the third one, I was like, this game

0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:22.760
<v Speaker 1>is actually there's no strategy, There's no It's really just

0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:26.600
<v Speaker 1>a game of popularity. It's just like people piling on

0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:30.520
<v Speaker 1>and I was really upset watching them Pilon Donna. But

0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:36.800
<v Speaker 1>then boom, how do I know? My god, it's gonna

0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 1>keep happening this whole season?

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:40.720
<v Speaker 3>Is it's crazy?

0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:44.479
<v Speaker 2>Now if they're smart, well we'll get it. We'll get

0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:45.880
<v Speaker 2>into that next episode. We'll get into it.

0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, okay, all right, Well At this point, the

0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 1>traders receive letters that they have to murder someone in

0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:52.600
<v Speaker 1>playing sight.

0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:55.360
<v Speaker 2>So is this a thing that happens, Yeah, okay, this

0:28:55.440 --> 0:28:59.040
<v Speaker 2>is this is this happens occasionally. They upped the anties

0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:00.640
<v Speaker 2>with the murders. It can't just be you meet and

0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:01.720
<v Speaker 2>decide who you're gonna kill.

0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:04.560
<v Speaker 1>I like this factor. I like that they have to

0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:07.400
<v Speaker 1>like really lie to each other and do things in

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:11.080
<v Speaker 1>front of other people or like, because that that's where

0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 1>the strategy and the socialization really have to to. Like

0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 1>it's it's either or from moment to moment. And at

0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:21.360
<v Speaker 1>this point, like you know, when when Can'tice does her

0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:26.240
<v Speaker 1>congo line, I was just like that, And even before

0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:28.200
<v Speaker 1>she does it, she's talking about different things that she

0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:31.160
<v Speaker 1>could be doing. She's like, do I have a breakdown

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 1>because Portia laught and I was like, I hate you

0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:34.880
<v Speaker 1>so much.

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:36.680
<v Speaker 3>But then she said it best.

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:39.719
<v Speaker 1>But she's like, sometimes being a little extra is in

0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:43.520
<v Speaker 1>your benefit. I'm like, yeah, yes you are. You're gonna

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:45.240
<v Speaker 1>get away with shit that, Like I would not be

0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:47.600
<v Speaker 1>able to get away with or even rob the trader,

0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:51.080
<v Speaker 1>her partner would. He wouldn't have been able to distract

0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:56.920
<v Speaker 1>people like that if he suddenly, but because she has

0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:00.800
<v Speaker 1>a personality where people kind of expect that or buy that,

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:03.840
<v Speaker 1>she can't get away with a lot a lot and

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 1>she's so at this point, I was like, I went

0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:09.680
<v Speaker 1>from thinking Kansas is a really bad player who's not

0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:11.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna last, you know, he was not going to to like,

0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, she might be she might go far.

0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 2>This is where rob C became a champion to me,

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:21.240
<v Speaker 2>where he was just like, okay, who At first he

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:23.320
<v Speaker 2>was like I think they're doing a murder and plain

0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:25.719
<v Speaker 2>sight like he's called it. He's like, I think it's no,

0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:29.240
<v Speaker 2>nailed it. And then it was like who started the

0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:31.480
<v Speaker 2>congo line? Yeah, like he instantly went there.

0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:33.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. It was brilliant.

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:36.239
<v Speaker 1>I was so impressed with him. Yeah, because like at

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:38.080
<v Speaker 1>this point he had flown under the radar for me,

0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:40.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, because they don't they didn't highlight his personality.

0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:43.960
<v Speaker 1>They were you know, but he like was suspicious and

0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:46.360
<v Speaker 1>paranoid exactly the right time.

0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:48.600
<v Speaker 2>He's like, don't don't let him hug you, don't let

0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:50.600
<v Speaker 2>him hand you a glass, don't let him do anything.

0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:56.080
<v Speaker 2>He's like like staying behind the wall as something's going up. Brilliant,

0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:57.280
<v Speaker 2>this guy would have won the whole thing had he

0:30:57.360 --> 0:30:58.920
<v Speaker 2>not been Yes, that was he was my pa. At

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 2>the second he went I think they're doing a murder

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:02.320
<v Speaker 2>and plane side. I'm like, that's your winner.

0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:04.280
<v Speaker 1>But do you think that's why they picked him?

0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:05.840
<v Speaker 2>Do you think they know because they didn't know that

0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 2>at the time, I didn't know that. They just know

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:08.240
<v Speaker 2>that he won.

0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:13.000
<v Speaker 3>They so lucky, They so lucky.

0:31:13.080 --> 0:31:15.000
<v Speaker 1>They got so lucky because I didn't know who they picked.

0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:17.560
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sitting there going, man, if they didn't pick Rob,

0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:19.040
<v Speaker 1>they're screwed.

0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:21.040
<v Speaker 2>Right, because at the next banishment he would have been like,

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 2>who starts a conga line?

0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Yep, exactly you did.

0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 2>That was straight up a distraction and that's another piece

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:30.960
<v Speaker 2>of evidence. And they ever had to say it because

0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 2>they managed to pick him, and they're they're picking off

0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:36.640
<v Speaker 2>the gamers, which is what I would do too. By

0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:39.760
<v Speaker 2>the way, it's like, oh, you're you do reality TV

0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 2>show gaming. You gotta go first. I'll deal with the

0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:44.640
<v Speaker 2>housewives next, Like you gotta go first.

0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:48.720
<v Speaker 1>Now the other Rob, the trader, Rob Robert was very

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 1>smart setting up that chess situation really good. I was like, wow,

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:56.720
<v Speaker 1>this is because so he and Lisa got to sit

0:31:56.800 --> 0:32:00.680
<v Speaker 1>there and basically in Playing Sight figure out who they

0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:01.200
<v Speaker 1>were going to kill.

0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:03.920
<v Speaker 3>Really smart, really smart.

0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:06.120
<v Speaker 1>So the Traders, all three of the Traders did really

0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:06.880
<v Speaker 1>well with this thing.

0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 3>I think so too. This was their best episode so

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:12.240
<v Speaker 3>far of just cam in them.

0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:14.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, she didn't get to weigh in on who

0:32:14.600 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 1>they killed, which I found interesting, Like.

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 2>But they killed the right person for her because that

0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:20.520
<v Speaker 2>guy would have pointed a finger right at her.

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:22.800
<v Speaker 3>So it worked perfectly first.

0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:24.880
<v Speaker 1>See I wonder if so they have no idea until

0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:28.000
<v Speaker 1>the episode airs that all that was happening, right, No.

0:32:27.880 --> 0:32:29.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I mean they might have talked to each

0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:30.800
<v Speaker 2>other in the tower like hey, what did you do?

0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:32.920
<v Speaker 1>But no, right, But I mean they didn't know that

0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:34.960
<v Speaker 1>if they didn't hear Rob saying I think they're trying

0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 1>to murder someone on Playing Sight.

0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 3>You know she told them later.

0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:39.760
<v Speaker 2>Remember She's like, he came up to me and said

0:32:40.120 --> 0:32:43.400
<v Speaker 2>they're performing a murder in Playing Sight and they're like what, Yeah,

0:32:43.440 --> 0:32:45.080
<v Speaker 2>So I mean that's that's the guy who.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh.

0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:47.960
<v Speaker 2>They also can't talk to each other when they're not filming,

0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:49.840
<v Speaker 2>by the way, Oh, so they're not allowed to speak

0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:50.760
<v Speaker 2>while not filming.

0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:52.680
<v Speaker 3>Are their phones taken? From them.

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 5>I wonder, yes there is actually I remember Dolores told

0:32:57.280 --> 0:33:00.680
<v Speaker 5>us last season or someone that they are allowed a

0:33:00.680 --> 0:33:04.360
<v Speaker 5>phone call to like one person, So like, will you'd

0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:07.400
<v Speaker 5>only call Sue and only Sue can know and they're

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:09.280
<v Speaker 5>actually monitoring your call as well.

0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:12.280
<v Speaker 3>So what happened with God Dylan.

0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:16.280
<v Speaker 5>Has said before that like he because his girlfriend knows

0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:18.840
<v Speaker 5>like all the housewives, and so she was like, oh

0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:20.800
<v Speaker 5>my god, I know this person, and he couldn't really

0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 5>respond on what it was.

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:23.680
<v Speaker 1>And there's someone listening in.

0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:31.440
<v Speaker 3>Geez, that's crazy. Yeah, oh my god. Mm well, I'm

0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:32.520
<v Speaker 3>got to figure out who I'll call.

0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 1>I'll be your one phone, yes, well, speaking.

0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Code exactly, I'll be like, hey, the eagle murdered that

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 2>one guy from Love from the Housewives last night, m

0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:50.640
<v Speaker 2>and then no one will be able to pick us up.

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<v Speaker 3>We're clever people.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, they started playing chess, decided how to

0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:01.040
<v Speaker 1>murder in some weird coded speed that didn't quite make

0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:01.400
<v Speaker 1>sense to me.

0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:01.840
<v Speaker 4>But they got it.

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<v Speaker 3>A credit.

0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:05.560
<v Speaker 1>They figured it out yep, and threw the card into

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<v Speaker 1>the fire.

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:11.719
<v Speaker 3>They did it. Yeah, but they did it. They accomplished

0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 3>their mission.

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:15.759
<v Speaker 2>We should also say one of the or the the

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:22.920
<v Speaker 2>uh prize for completing the murder and plain Sight was

0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:23.800
<v Speaker 2>getting to.

0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:26.959
<v Speaker 3>Meet the secret the Secret.

0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Trader, So that's why they wanted to do it. It wasn't

0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:30.399
<v Speaker 2>just that they got to kill somebody. They also got

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:33.200
<v Speaker 2>to face to face meet the Secret Trader. And I

0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:36.920
<v Speaker 2>have a theory about why that happened so quickly. What

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:40.520
<v Speaker 2>do you mean, I don't think they ever would have

0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:46.279
<v Speaker 2>unmasked the Secret Trader in episode three or it really

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:49.480
<v Speaker 2>turned out to be episode two. If this if whoever

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:52.239
<v Speaker 2>was the Secret Trader was flying under the radar, but

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:55.080
<v Speaker 2>the secret Trader they picked had the second most number

0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:58.800
<v Speaker 2>of votes, and all the producers knew that the Secret

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:01.799
<v Speaker 2>Trader was going to be out in anyway, so they

0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:04.359
<v Speaker 2>had to do every yep they had to. This would

0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:06.920
<v Speaker 2>have been because I was like, wow, this season episode two,

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:08.600
<v Speaker 2>we already get to know who the Secret Trader is.

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:11.400
<v Speaker 2>And that's only because the Secret Trader was about to die.

0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:13.960
<v Speaker 2>And if this Secret Trader was flying totally under the radar,

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:16.759
<v Speaker 2>they would have gone five episodes before we ever knew

0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:17.719
<v Speaker 2>who the Secret Trader was.

0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:20.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm convinced, because why would you do that?

0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 2>You gain nothing by putting the secret Trader out there,

0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:25.680
<v Speaker 2>but they knew and everybody knows now it was Donna.

0:35:26.680 --> 0:35:30.000
<v Speaker 2>They knew that Donna had the most votes. They've got

0:35:30.000 --> 0:35:32.600
<v Speaker 2>cameras on everybody, they hear people talking. They know ten

0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:35.240
<v Speaker 2>people are going to vote for Donna. Let's do this now,

0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 2>so at least we have a chance of having some

0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:39.000
<v Speaker 2>of the who's it going to be?

0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:39.560
<v Speaker 3>Who's it going to be?

0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Who's it going to because the producers already knew the

0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Secret Trader was dead, so I had not had it

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:49.360
<v Speaker 2>been somebody nobody suspected, this would have been five episodes

0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:51.600
<v Speaker 2>before they unveiled the Secret Trader.

0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:53.720
<v Speaker 3>Way better.

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:57.200
<v Speaker 2>So what I'm guessing is going to happen because they

0:35:57.239 --> 0:36:01.920
<v Speaker 2>did something similar last year. I guess is Alan's gonna

0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:03.920
<v Speaker 2>come up to them. He's going to appear in the

0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:07.400
<v Speaker 2>tower in another episode or two, and he's gonna look

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 2>at them and says and say, by the way, I

0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:11.279
<v Speaker 2>picked a new secret Trader, and you don't know who

0:36:11.280 --> 0:36:12.759
<v Speaker 2>it is, and we're going to start all over again.

0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:16.319
<v Speaker 2>And he approached some he'll have approached somebody else to

0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:19.040
<v Speaker 2>take that position, and a new trader will have joined

0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:20.239
<v Speaker 2>the ranks that we don't know.

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:22.080
<v Speaker 1>Who it is because it's a really good dynamic.

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:23.640
<v Speaker 3>It's a great dynamic.

0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:27.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I feel like the the show is in

0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:30.040
<v Speaker 1>some ways more self satisfying when you know who the

0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:33.759
<v Speaker 1>bad guys are, but it's more exciting and way more

0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:36.000
<v Speaker 1>exciting to be guessing yourself.

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:36.520
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:38.719
<v Speaker 2>Because I've seen now both versions I've seen where you

0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:41.600
<v Speaker 2>know everybody, yeah, and now the version where you don't.

0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:43.560
<v Speaker 2>And all I was thinking about the whole time Sue

0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:45.000
<v Speaker 2>and I were talking about, is oh, who's.

0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:46.600
<v Speaker 3>The secret Trader? Who it could be that could be them?

0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 1>Could be them?

0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 3>So they'll bring that back in some form before the season's.

0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:52.439
<v Speaker 1>Over all, right, So going back, because we actually didn't

0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:55.399
<v Speaker 1>say who the four choices that the Secret Trader gave

0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:56.280
<v Speaker 1>them to murder?

0:36:56.480 --> 0:36:57.600
<v Speaker 3>Oh right, or it was.

0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:03.120
<v Speaker 1>Monet, Rob C, Tara, and Kristen.

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:06.640
<v Speaker 3>Yes, which again some weird choices.

0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 1>I know you would have you would have picked Rob

0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:12.799
<v Speaker 1>C based on said during the ch But would you

0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:15.280
<v Speaker 1>do you think you would have chosen that? Yes before?

0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:17.200
<v Speaker 3>Really somebody exactly.

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:19.120
<v Speaker 2>He's a gamer who does strategy and has won one

0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:19.759
<v Speaker 2>of these games before.

0:37:19.800 --> 0:37:21.520
<v Speaker 3>Get rid of them, Just get rid of those guys.

0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:24.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because everybody else again and this, you know, knowing

0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:27.759
<v Speaker 1>now that it was Donna, she wasn't really playing well. No,

0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:31.120
<v Speaker 1>she's playing very poorly, yeah, because she you know, those

0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:33.759
<v Speaker 1>first four picks were kind of just you know, got

0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:38.040
<v Speaker 1>random and random, and like, really at this point, shouldn't

0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:41.279
<v Speaker 1>she have been picking people who were calling her out? Yeah,

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:43.920
<v Speaker 1>you think she'd already done a round table, right.

0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:46.399
<v Speaker 2>But then the other thing is like, do you if

0:37:46.440 --> 0:37:48.880
<v Speaker 2>you pick four people that called out Donna?

0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:52.760
<v Speaker 1>No, But what she should have done is is the

0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:59.600
<v Speaker 1>list should have been jam Jam Michael yeah, and maybe

0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:03.439
<v Speaker 1>two other people that were you know, speaking out a lot,

0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:07.560
<v Speaker 1>because if it, let's say, maybe when Jim died, everybody

0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:10.319
<v Speaker 1>would turn to Michael, right or vice versa. So like

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:12.640
<v Speaker 1>if she had put them on the list, and you know,

0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:15.080
<v Speaker 1>instead she picked people who, as far as we know

0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:18.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm only seeing the finished edit, did not speak up

0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 1>that much.

0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:22.080
<v Speaker 2>I agree, So she was just playing really poorly, right.

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:24.239
<v Speaker 2>I also think they did her dirty. They should have

0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:28.280
<v Speaker 2>made her faithful, and they should have let her last

0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:29.879
<v Speaker 2>on the show as long as she lasts on the show,

0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:32.440
<v Speaker 2>because it would have just been better for her to

0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:35.120
<v Speaker 2>play as a faithful I think then as the secret Trader.

0:38:35.040 --> 0:38:38.200
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think you're you know, the fact that you

0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:40.560
<v Speaker 1>called it right away, that you're like, oh, she's the

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:45.040
<v Speaker 1>secret to perfect and they all did means that means

0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:49.960
<v Speaker 1>that the producers were probably not giving the contestants or

0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:53.000
<v Speaker 1>the audience as as much credit as they should have, right,

0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:55.360
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? Right, the producers were thinking,

0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:57.560
<v Speaker 1>they were like, do this tricky thing and give it

0:38:57.560 --> 0:38:59.600
<v Speaker 1>to like the and it's like little old lady, you

0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:01.600
<v Speaker 1>know I would suspect And it's like, but that's.

0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:03.600
<v Speaker 3>So why you suspect them exactly?

0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:07.240
<v Speaker 2>Whereas you give it to like Mark Ballas or Kristen

0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:10.480
<v Speaker 2>somebody who or the or Eric the the singer who

0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:12.839
<v Speaker 2>kind of frankly nobody really knows who this guy is

0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:15.839
<v Speaker 2>and is just quiet and flying under the radar. That's

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:17.040
<v Speaker 2>somebody that then they did.

0:39:17.680 --> 0:39:20.080
<v Speaker 1>I feel like with Rob r Or they did chore

0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:23.879
<v Speaker 1>somebody who's like probably gonna really not be suspected for.

0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:24.520
<v Speaker 3>A long time.

0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, But I think you know, this is the

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:29.440
<v Speaker 1>fun is that it could have gone the exact opposite

0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:33.319
<v Speaker 1>and picked like Michael Rapperport because he's so obnoxious. That's

0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:33.879
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying.

0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:35.920
<v Speaker 3>That's what they're saying, Like he can't be a trader.

0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:38.239
<v Speaker 2>You can't be a trader too much of a dick,

0:39:38.360 --> 0:39:41.000
<v Speaker 2>like nobody would play it like this, So yeah, you

0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:41.920
<v Speaker 2>don't know, you don't know.

0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 3>That's the thing that's so crazy. Yeah. Nuts.

0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:47.080
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, that's it for this episode of pod

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:51.880
<v Speaker 1>meets Twirled. Alliances were tested, trust misplaced, and once again

0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:54.960
<v Speaker 1>we're left with a cliffhanger. Join us next time as

0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:57.279
<v Speaker 1>we continue our journey through season four of Traders, a

0:39:57.360 --> 0:40:01.920
<v Speaker 1>show in which, as Shakespeare said his Scottish play, fad

0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:04.080
<v Speaker 1>is foul and foul is fad

0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:15.200
<v Speaker 2>Mhm