Speaker 1: Welcome to pod meets Twirld, a podcast from two guys
Speaker 1: who had never seen an episode of Dancing with the Stars,
Speaker 1: but took it on and walked away experts. So now
Speaker 1: we turned to Traders, another show I've never seen, but
Speaker 1: Will is convinced that he could win. We are Wilfred
Speaker 1: Ell and Ryder Strong, two best friends, one a TV expert,
Speaker 1: one a TV skeptic, both dance scholars, join us as
Speaker 1: we step into a castle full of lies, alliances, and
Speaker 1: over the top wardrobe choices. This is Pod meets Twirld
Speaker 1: Trading places.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, episode at least at least put your
Speaker 2: hoodie up.
Speaker 3: I no, I had, I had the whole thing going.
Speaker 3: I had it, I had, I had it going. But eventually,
Speaker 3: you know, I gotta get I got I'm at work this.
Speaker 3: I need a new I need a new one. This
Speaker 3: is well. When I go on the show, I'll get
Speaker 3: my own.
Speaker 1: M I want one of those gold face masks.
Speaker 2: I can get you one of those. I can get
Speaker 2: you one of those five minutes. Oh, I got a
Speaker 2: gold face mask.
Speaker 1: Guy, I got it.
Speaker 3: That's easy. That's cake.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very squid games, actually squid game a little
Speaker 2: that and a little uh what's the Tom Cruise X movie?
Speaker 1: Yeah, eyes wide shut, Yes.
Speaker 2: Little eyes wide shut. Oh my god, I've gone turtle,
Speaker 2: I trap myself. Hang on, all right, there we go.
Speaker 3: Okay, we're good.
Speaker 1: All right. We continue our journey with Traders Season four,
Speaker 1: episode two. We already kind of spoiled it at the
Speaker 1: end of our last episode because all three of first
Speaker 1: episodes dropped and we just yeah, yeah, so do they
Speaker 1: normally do this where they delay like who actually got
Speaker 1: murdered until the next episode?
Speaker 2: Or yes, apparently according to producing Tara, thank god she's
Speaker 2: here because we wouldn't be going what's going on? Well,
Speaker 2: that's how we were doing Dancing with Stars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's uh yeah, it's really really big on
Speaker 1: the cliffhangers on this show. Yeah, Like that's just my god.
Speaker 2: It's like whatever that movie was with Sylvester Stallone Edge.
Speaker 3: What is it called Cliffhanger?
Speaker 1: It's just literally called got So beginning of episode two,
Speaker 1: we pick up at the cliffhanger where the Traders are
Speaker 1: deciding who to murder and then the next morning, so
Speaker 1: they only know who was murdered based on who doesn't
Speaker 1: get into breakfast.
Speaker 2: Right, who doesn't show up to that phenomenal meal which
Speaker 2: if you pause, it had some great pastries, there was
Speaker 2: a potato dish, there was some good eggs that were
Speaker 2: up there. Clearly juices from all around the world that
Speaker 2: worth the price of admission right there at the castle,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, the Trader breakfast.
Speaker 1: And then is it Derinda that walked in and got applause?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because she was kicked off first to the last
Speaker 2: episode and she's like kind of again, never seen a
Speaker 2: Housewives in my life, but she's very like.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if she.
Speaker 2: Was a good like a good housewife, if she was
Speaker 2: a good witch or a bad witch. But I think
Speaker 2: they liked her and the Housewives, I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought was sweet that they like gave her
Speaker 1: this moment and she started crying. It was like, okay,
Speaker 1: well you made it one night.
Speaker 2: Well she flew all the way to Scotland the last
Speaker 2: time it was there like eight hours, and it's like
Speaker 2: they thinks that's the other question is if your if
Speaker 2: you do get murdered or are kicked off the show,
Speaker 2: they have to make sure that you're you don't tell anybody,
Speaker 2: So I imagine you're essentially sequestered for the next two
Speaker 2: weeks or however long.
Speaker 1: You're kidding me, You have a vacation in Scotland to
Speaker 1: do nothing but hang out on the hotel.
Speaker 2: No, they probably will not let you leave the hotel
Speaker 2: because then someone will take a picture of you and
Speaker 2: they'll know that you were kicked off the show. So
Speaker 2: you're probably in a hotel room not being able to
Speaker 2: leave for like ten days.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: The choices for to be murdered were Ian, who is
Speaker 1: a smart gamer, Mark, which seemed kind of random to me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because agree Adam spoken up or made a name for
Speaker 1: himself in any way. And Eric the singer can draw.
Speaker 1: And then Eric the singer who I don't know who is,
Speaker 1: but he's also seemed very low key, and I didn't
Speaker 1: understand why they you know, I didn't know who to pick.
Speaker 1: I guess my only thought was, like, Ian, because he
Speaker 1: seems like he's a gamer.
Speaker 2: That's what I would think, because again, at this point,
Speaker 2: you're kind of throwing darts, right, I mean, you don't
Speaker 2: really know any of these people.
Speaker 3: Nobody's formed any real alliances.
Speaker 1: But that's why I was confused that they that the
Speaker 1: traders did not use this information to try and figure
Speaker 1: out who the secret trader was, right, because they definitely
Speaker 1: picked four low key dudes, like there was no big
Speaker 1: personalities in here. Yeah, and I don't know what that
Speaker 1: really means. But they didn't even talk about it. They
Speaker 1: were just like ah, and then they at breakfast. Uh
Speaker 1: Ian didn't show up, and uh we got the sequence
Speaker 1: where he gets his little like you know, murder card
Speaker 1: or whatever, and he says it's kind of a candied
Speaker 1: compliment to be murdered, which I thought was true.
Speaker 2: It's like, you could be a threat. We haven't even
Speaker 2: started yet. You could be a threat, so it's time
Speaker 2: that you go. That makes sense. I don't think Michael
Speaker 2: Rappaport would have taken it as a a sign of respect.
Speaker 2: I think he would have flipped over tables and smashed stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he seems like an emotional that's a good
Speaker 1: way to put it. An emotional baby, an emotional player, yes, player, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just tan from after it was it was just it's
Speaker 1: like he talked about it at one point. It's like
Speaker 1: I'm a trash talk over it. It's like, yeah, but
Speaker 1: can you can you realize it's not working? Like at
Speaker 1: a certain point, It's never going to be good for you, dude.
Speaker 2: They're just they're going to vote you off whether they
Speaker 2: think you're a faithful or not. At some point they're
Speaker 2: gonna be like, we don't really care.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, agreed.
Speaker 1: And then Alan Cummings showed up and is very shy
Speaker 1: in the outfit this is.
Speaker 3: Time. Yeah, it's perfect. Wait, I have I have a
Speaker 3: question for you.
Speaker 2: First, you said at the beginning of the last episode
Speaker 2: or throughout the beginning of the first episode, you're the
Speaker 2: woman from Survivor that.
Speaker 3: You liked who uh uh Natalie.
Speaker 2: Natalie was one of your favorites, and so is Mark
Speaker 2: starting episode two? What you saw with episode one? Has
Speaker 2: that changed at all? Are the Are they still kind
Speaker 2: of your favorites or are is anything changed for you
Speaker 2: between two and one.
Speaker 1: I guess I was starting to think that that Jam
Speaker 1: Jam really had a good shot at this point because
Speaker 1: he was playing a good social game, like he seemed
Speaker 1: like he had people liking him and he was working hard.
Speaker 1: By the end of episode two, I did not feel
Speaker 1: the same way, But at this point I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: Jam Jam's got a good shot if he had one Survivor,
Speaker 1: which I didn't realize he's a very likable person. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he seemed like he was making a lot of friends
Speaker 1: at this point and like building the kind of reputation
Speaker 1: you want, you know. But I mean, now, having seen
Speaker 1: all three episodes, I'm much more like it's better to
Speaker 1: fly under the radar.
Speaker 3: I think so too early on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was a big fan of Rob c by
Speaker 2: this point from Survivor, who seemed to be playing the game,
Speaker 2: like really playing the game.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, right before he got murdered. I felt that, Oh,
Speaker 1: I mean we're assuming all three episodes of Drops everyone's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: catching up. But yeah, no, I mean like I feel
Speaker 1: like the biggest, like the poorest player in my mind
Speaker 1: is Portie, yes at this point, and I don't like
Speaker 1: the Candice is playing way too hard.
Speaker 2: I think I agree with you and Michael's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: those three are the worst, the worst players in my opinion,
Speaker 2: or at least I guess saying it playing it not
Speaker 2: the way that I would play it. You're being very loud,
Speaker 2: You're being it's like you don't ever especially if you're
Speaker 2: a trader.
Speaker 3: I would imagine you want to be the center of attention. No, like,
Speaker 3: why would you do that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you so little seeds to doubt and you
Speaker 2: walk away, do you everything with a whisper?
Speaker 3: You shouldn't be yelling all right?
Speaker 1: After breakfast, everyone dispersed, and then this is where the
Speaker 1: suspicion started to turn on Donna. You had Colton, Lisa,
Speaker 1: and Natalie talking about Donna being suspicious.
Speaker 3: I was like, what, oh, come on, she's the most suspicious.
Speaker 1: I got so upset. That's so funny because I was like,
Speaker 1: this poor woman is not a reality star exactly. She's
Speaker 1: just like everyone's like, she's so low key. She's not
Speaker 1: like super talkative. So at this point I was like,
Speaker 1: these like reality actory types, performative people just can't handle
Speaker 1: the fact that this woman isn't as like, you know,
Speaker 1: performative as them. Isn't like playing hard or trying to
Speaker 1: get out there. She was just kind of just chill,
Speaker 1: you know, like a normal human being. And I was like,
Speaker 1: why are they picking on her?
Speaker 2: Because she You're coming into a thing where it's a game.
Speaker 2: You imagine that it moves very quickly, so they shoot
Speaker 2: over a week or ten days, whatever it is, the
Speaker 2: entire season, and if you're there, you're quiet the whole time.
Speaker 2: You're not talking strategy at all. You're not making any friends.
Speaker 2: You just you stand out.
Speaker 1: You just do and and but she also already stands
Speaker 1: out because she's older than everybody. Yeah, she's just I
Speaker 1: don't know. I was just I felt so sorry for her,
Speaker 1: and they turned on her.
Speaker 2: I know it's going to happen well, because again, she's
Speaker 2: the first one I would have picked to a been
Speaker 2: a secret trader, very first one I would have picked
Speaker 2: would have been her. Yeah, because it's amazing, She's she's perfect.
Speaker 2: No one wants to vote for her because of the Swifties.
Speaker 2: Everyone loves her, she's the mom. She's probably the nicest
Speaker 2: person in the world.
Speaker 3: That's the first person.
Speaker 1: Exactly right, And I would have to stuck my foot
Speaker 1: in it.
Speaker 2: Here's the other thing I think though about this game.
Speaker 2: This game to me is like Jeopardy in that I'll
Speaker 2: bet you everyone's graded it in their house, and then
Speaker 2: the second you get there, you're like, I suck at this.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: So I think you would drive, I don't know. I
Speaker 3: don't know if I would.
Speaker 2: I think it would be one of those things where
Speaker 2: I think I'd be a lot better than I actually would.
Speaker 2: I feel the same way with Jeopardy. I win Jeopardy
Speaker 2: every night. I bet you I'd stand with there with
Speaker 2: a buzzer in my hand and not get one.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. Also during this period, Portia slips up
Speaker 1: and says that she killed Ian, which is like, why
Speaker 1: did she say that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't, I don't know, and she clearly said it,
Speaker 2: like clearly said basically when I was a trader had
Speaker 2: killed it.
Speaker 3: I was like, wait a minute, wait it was.
Speaker 1: What Yeah, And at this point I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: she is a secret trader. Yeah. I was thoroughly convinced,
Speaker 1: and like Ron and Donna's POV throughout the rest of
Speaker 1: this episode, I was totally on board with I why
Speaker 1: are not more people listening to this very obvious thing,
Speaker 1: Like she mentioned that there's four traders and says, you know,
Speaker 1: we killed you and last night, however she put it,
Speaker 1: and it's like, that's weird.
Speaker 2: I that This is when I started to go like, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe it isn't Donna, because she did this Porsche screwed
Speaker 2: up so badly a couple of times.
Speaker 3: That it's got to be her. Yeah, yeah, so it
Speaker 3: that wasn't That wasn't good.
Speaker 2: And then we as then I start to Then I
Speaker 2: started to flip flop because I was.
Speaker 3: Like, maybe maybe she's just not that good at this.
Speaker 3: I mean, she just misspoke because she's just bad not
Speaker 3: at this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, turns out that's the case.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yes, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: But I was like, I can't believe this person would
Speaker 1: actually be that bad, right they were, Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I've been surprised with everything so far. I'm a really
Speaker 1: bad player of this game, on the mission players on Thrones.
Speaker 1: This was cool. This is where I just fell in
Speaker 1: love with the atmosphere, and you know, I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm so into this. I just want to go hang
Speaker 1: out in the woods by this castle. I love the
Speaker 1: shields picking up money. It's just like robin Hood Princes
Speaker 1: of Thieves. I'm like, yeah, I want to be there.
Speaker 2: Every time they do the high shots driving in the
Speaker 2: cars through just the gorgeous Scottish islands.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh my god, it's amazing, amazing.
Speaker 1: All right. So, based on weight and size, they went
Speaker 1: with three smaller women, which makes sense.
Speaker 3: Smart yep.
Speaker 1: So you had Candace, Caroline, and Tiffany. Candace being one
Speaker 1: of the traders, but also being picked first was and
Speaker 1: somebody pointed this out not a good call. You're definitely
Speaker 1: going to get swapped. There's no way you're going to
Speaker 1: be protected. So yeah, I should explain that if you
Speaker 1: were you were in the throne at the arrival at
Speaker 1: the castle, you were protected from being murdered then that night.
Speaker 3: And you have to find these little tokens, and I found.
Speaker 1: You can swap stretch out right, but also you could
Speaker 1: share that token with whoever whoever you wanted to, which,
Speaker 1: which immediately what people did. So at the first stop,
Speaker 1: which was like an orchard, people were running around, found
Speaker 1: some tokens. Lisa swapped with Caroline, Drinda swapped with Candace.
Speaker 1: Second stop, Caroline swap with Tiffany, Mora swap with Derinda.
Speaker 1: All of this was like just kind of chaos.
Speaker 2: I'm not keeping track really of what's going on now,
Speaker 2: and I don't think you're supposed to do. You run around,
Speaker 2: you try to find bags, you run back to whoever's
Speaker 2: on your team. It's very chaotic. There's no real rhyme
Speaker 2: or reason to any of their challenges. They just seem
Speaker 2: very frantic.
Speaker 1: Although this was when I started to realize that Colton
Speaker 1: is a really good player of this game.
Speaker 3: I know I couldn't.
Speaker 1: He actually looked at this situation and explained it perfectly.
Speaker 1: He's like, you don't want to swap too early, so
Speaker 1: I'm not even go look for tokens until the final stop,
Speaker 1: which was brilliant and guess who found a token and
Speaker 1: was able to save himself. It was the smartest move
Speaker 1: because like, if he had gotten it earlier, he's one
Speaker 1: of the bigger guys, people would have swapped with him
Speaker 1: and immediately, so he was like two steps ahead. He
Speaker 1: knows what's going.
Speaker 2: On, strength and brains. The guy's kind of got the
Speaker 2: whole package from the.
Speaker 1: Because then later we'll get into it, like his whole
Speaker 1: Donna thing, which I was like, dude, get off the
Speaker 1: Donna turned out.
Speaker 2: To be exactly Yes, this guy knows what the best player,
Speaker 2: so he's a good He's a really good player.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: And then Rob found a token and gave it to
Speaker 1: jam Jam, and jam Jam swapped with Mara, who A did.
Speaker 2: Not like seen her going like, you know, don't, don't
Speaker 2: You're not going to do it to that kind of
Speaker 2: I was like, she's like begging and it's like and
Speaker 2: it was a little sad where it's like.
Speaker 3: Did get off get out of the chair. Yeah, it's like,
Speaker 3: come on.
Speaker 4: But then when they make it Michael, dude, he runs over, yes,
Speaker 4: and he just starts screaming at Yam Yam, or about
Speaker 4: you and it's our jam Jam and it's like, dude,
Speaker 4: he didn't do it against you, Like, no.
Speaker 2: Everything's about him. He's like, well, I thought it was
Speaker 2: going to be a discussion. No, they didn't say it
Speaker 2: was going to be a discussion. They said, who ever
Speaker 2: found the token, right, can swap it. Wasn't you then
Speaker 2: get to discuss who on your team who gets the token.
Speaker 3: No one ever said that right, So yeah it was.
Speaker 3: But again you're right about it anymore.
Speaker 1: Why would why would Michael Rapper like he just thinks
Speaker 1: that he's.
Speaker 2: He thought because I think I think in his line
Speaker 2: of thinking, he was way more vulnerable than Jam Jam
Speaker 2: after the night before and everything that happened at the roundtable,
Speaker 2: So they should have discussed who was going to get
Speaker 2: the token and get on the seat, which again.
Speaker 1: What happened the night before at the roundtable, everyone was.
Speaker 2: Calling out different people, and Michael was one of the
Speaker 2: people called out just because he was He's loud and brash.
Speaker 1: Wait had they even have it? I'm like losing track.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we'd had a round table yet.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, there's a murder. You're right, it's not the
Speaker 2: round tubby yet. No, they discuss it at the round
Speaker 2: table after, you're right, we'll right my bad mind. Right,
Speaker 2: So he made it all about him without I'm sorry
Speaker 2: what it was. He thought he was vulnerable because they
Speaker 2: went and put a car out of their way to put.
Speaker 3: A coffin in his grave. But who cares exactly?
Speaker 2: But if he took it personally to where it's like,
Speaker 2: I'm totally I'm vulnerable because of that. So we should
Speaker 2: have discussed people exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: It's so dumb and like jam Jam got the thing,
Speaker 1: like you know, he got the token, so go with
Speaker 1: it man, like he can.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're also just keep putting a target on your
Speaker 3: back by.
Speaker 1: Being an ass.
Speaker 3: What are you doing, dude? What are you doing? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I love they kept it was so big at
Speaker 2: times that everyone else was discussing like is he the
Speaker 2: the like the best trader in history because there's no
Speaker 2: way he can be a trader because who the hell
Speaker 2: would play it like this? Or is he just a
Speaker 2: really bad faithful, like they had no idea, I know, because.
Speaker 3: He's there, hasn't been around table yet.
Speaker 1: You're right, yeah, no, That's why I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: you're just making it about you. I mean, because then
Speaker 1: of course the round table becomes about him, about him,
Speaker 1: and he's like attacking jam Jam. You're like, why let
Speaker 1: it go? Man? And also at this point, like you know,
Speaker 1: not knowing who the secret trader was, I was, I
Speaker 1: really didn't. I pretty Jamjam wanting to protect himself made sense.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, that makes him more likely a faithful.
Speaker 1: So you didn't think it was Donna. If you had
Speaker 1: to put your money down at this point, who did
Speaker 1: you think the secret trader was? It's hard to remember, honestly.
Speaker 1: Like once, once the conflict between jam Jam and Michael
Speaker 1: got as heated as it did, I was like, maybe
Speaker 1: it is one of them, because they were they kept
Speaker 1: going back to that same debate. I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: you got to let this go. And the fact that
Speaker 1: they kept getting into it, I was like, one of
Speaker 1: them is maybe just playing this too hard to try
Speaker 1: and deflect, because like they they felt that the crosshairs
Speaker 1: pointed at them and so they had to point at
Speaker 1: the other you know what I mean, like, which turned
Speaker 1: out to not be the case at all.
Speaker 2: Right, that's the joy, that's the joy. You just you
Speaker 2: drop the grenade in the middle of the room and
Speaker 2: you walk away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd's so bad, Like it's just protesting way too much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was That was a weird confrontation.
Speaker 2: And even Alan Cumming was like, hey, why this is
Speaker 2: something you could probably discuss.
Speaker 1: We're still got to show to do here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a g again. I'm going to give my
Speaker 2: flowers every week. Alan Cumming is a really engaging host.
Speaker 2: He's very good at this. It's the fabulous thing and
Speaker 2: the kind of this subdude comedy.
Speaker 3: Oh, I think some of it's great.
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it, but it's very script
Speaker 1: it's very like delivering.
Speaker 3: I think that's what I love.
Speaker 1: No, but but it's very different from like like there's
Speaker 1: not as much hosting skill going on into it's acting skill.
Speaker 1: It's just like playing this funny, over the top character.
Speaker 3: Or scripted is the host like oh he's so.
Speaker 1: That's what's amazing is that it's actually right and still
Speaker 1: a genius like he he's like one of the few
Speaker 1: hosts that when I watch it, I'm like, you deserve
Speaker 1: all the money and all the credit. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: he has an earpiece, but he is constantly engaging with
Speaker 1: people and having real He runs the tribal councils and
Speaker 1: so he has to just roll with whatever they're giving
Speaker 1: him on an unscripted basis. And he is amazing because.
Speaker 3: I've done it for what forty seasons?
Speaker 1: It has always been great, and everybody respects him, everybody
Speaker 1: listens to him. He's able to control the game, control
Speaker 1: the conversation without ever really taking a side or making it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like basically a group therapy session every night,
Speaker 1: and he is so good at it. So I guess
Speaker 1: that is like the high bar that I know, where's
Speaker 1: Alan coming? Besides this little trying to comment down. Ya,
Speaker 1: He's a great entertainment. It's just about doing his thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes sense, all right.
Speaker 1: So the group dispersed for dinner, really started zeroing in
Speaker 1: on a portion.
Speaker 3: Did you see what they were having for dinner? Couldn't tell.
Speaker 2: It looked like a decent spread though, looks like the
Speaker 2: food there is pretty amazing.
Speaker 3: I was like, and then in the kitchen, if.
Speaker 1: They do like a whole follow up episode, like a
Speaker 1: companion just on the food.
Speaker 2: The castle and the kits because in the kitchen they
Speaker 2: have all the candy like around the kitchen area, like
Speaker 2: everything's all set up.
Speaker 3: I'd like to add like a tour of the food
Speaker 3: of the castle. If we can get that, that'd be great.
Speaker 1: God, they must be offering like vacation packages for people
Speaker 1: to go to the castle or live the trader's lifestyle.
Speaker 3: I'm sure definitely.
Speaker 2: They probably run games there like like that they'll play
Speaker 2: like a mafia or something in the castle.
Speaker 3: I'll bet you that.
Speaker 1: I can't remember it. Like there there are D and
Speaker 1: D groups that do this where they go to castles
Speaker 1: and play D and D yes and because when I
Speaker 1: saw that roundtable, I was like, that's a perfect gaming table.
Speaker 1: How fun would it be to good place D a castle?
Speaker 1: Like has Critical Role done that where they film it.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they've done that, but I'm sure
Speaker 3: they will.
Speaker 1: They should.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure they're.
Speaker 1: Going to someplace like like if they were just playing
Speaker 1: D and D H on this show, I'd kind of
Speaker 1: be into it. I think i'd watch it because like
Speaker 1: I haven't watched Chronical role because they're all just kind
Speaker 1: of like in a room if they were like at
Speaker 1: a castle, and then you got to see them like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm kind of into it.
Speaker 3: All right, we should put it together, all right.
Speaker 1: Second round table begins. Natalie started the conversation calling out Donna,
Speaker 1: which I was like, poor Donna. This is where I'm like,
Speaker 1: what is going on? I was starting to think maybe
Speaker 1: I was like ageism ages and also like like just
Speaker 1: because she's not a big, like fancy dressed reality star,
Speaker 1: we're gonna pick on her.
Speaker 2: I was like, man, realism reels.
Speaker 1: It just felt it just felt like bullying to me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then Ron brought up his very reasonable evidence.
Speaker 3: He again came with receipts.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then Michael does the same freaking thing. He says, well,
Speaker 1: when we killed ID, and I actually gave him the
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt because I could tell by the
Speaker 1: way he was trying to I was like.
Speaker 3: We gave him more of a benefit of Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's what.
Speaker 1: I gave him more a benefit of the doubt than her,
Speaker 1: Like she just said it apropos of nothing.
Speaker 2: I was and multiple times she said a couple of things, yes, yeah, but.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that. Like, here they are presenting evidence
Speaker 1: about how you don't say that, and then he just
Speaker 1: does it. It's like, dude, watch watch yourself.
Speaker 2: And then everyone was like, whoa, whoa, what did you
Speaker 2: just Okay? Would that have changed your mind? If you
Speaker 2: were sitting at the table and you heard Michael say
Speaker 2: when we kill the end, would you have changed your vote? A?
Speaker 2: Who would you have been voting for already? And B
Speaker 2: would you have changed it because of Michael?
Speaker 1: Based on what was said at this table, there was
Speaker 1: no doubt in my mind that Porsche was the right vote.
Speaker 3: I think I would have I would have stuck with
Speaker 3: Porsche too.
Speaker 2: That would have been I was I had switched from
Speaker 2: down at a Porsche by that point because there were literal
Speaker 2: receipts like.
Speaker 3: Okay, there's some actual evidence.
Speaker 1: Yes, everything else is really and and that's what's tricky
Speaker 1: about this game for me. It's like so much of
Speaker 1: it is really just vibes, you know, innuendo and like
Speaker 1: I don't trust you, I trust you, and it's like
Speaker 1: that's really hard. That's what I like about the fact
Speaker 1: that the secret Trader was unknown to us, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a little easy when you know
Speaker 1: who's a trader and who's not to see them lying
Speaker 1: or to see them not lying, whereas when you really
Speaker 1: don't know, like we didn't these first couple episodes. I
Speaker 1: I was pretty on board with the Porsche boat, you know.
Speaker 1: I was there's no doubt in my mind. I was like, you, yad,
Speaker 1: just vote for her. So I was. I was genuinely
Speaker 1: shocked when she turned out to be a faithful.
Speaker 5: See.
Speaker 2: It was one of two things for me. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: so she's the secret trader or she's just really really
Speaker 2: bad bad at this. And I I didn't know which
Speaker 2: way to go. It's like, if she says she's a
Speaker 2: faithful or if she says she's a trader, I'll be like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: yeah they got her. I was like, but I'm kind
Speaker 2: of leaning towards the fact that she's just kind of
Speaker 2: bad at this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know what. I don't even think it was that
Speaker 1: she said though, like we killed you and or I
Speaker 1: killed anything. It was when she said that there were
Speaker 1: four traders, Yeah, how do you know how many traders?
Speaker 1: That's when I was like, yeah, oh, if they're not
Speaker 1: supposed to know, and if you were the secret trader,
Speaker 1: you would know that there were four because exactly what
Speaker 1: you said last episode that they would have to have
Speaker 1: a list of four names, right, Because then it was
Speaker 1: I was like, she knows, she knows. I thought for
Speaker 1: sure we were, we were revealing the secret.
Speaker 3: I was fifty to fifty bad player fifty.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, for the first vote, if
Speaker 2: I don't know who it is, and somebody does come
Speaker 2: with literal receipts, where other people also chimed in, like,
Speaker 2: oh I heard her say that too. How do you
Speaker 2: not vote for the person where there's receipts, I mean
Speaker 2: there's some form of evidence.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: So there were some votes for Donna, which didn't make
Speaker 1: sense to me, votes for Michael totally made sense. And
Speaker 1: then Portia, which is what exactly what I who I
Speaker 1: would have voted for game I think, not even thought
Speaker 1: twice about it. And then she was banished. She goes
Speaker 1: to the banished, banished goes to the circle of honesty, the.
Speaker 2: Truth, the circle of truth, and then she's a faithful.
Speaker 3: Faithful man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I mean she didn't really defend herself very well.
Speaker 2: No, I just again, I don't think this was her game,
Speaker 2: and I you know, didn't didn't speak well, didn't form alliances,
Speaker 2: didn't play well particularly in the challenges, didn't defend herself
Speaker 2: properly at the table.
Speaker 3: She was the first out.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 1: Then the players broke into small groups to talk about
Speaker 1: the roundtable and started pointy fingers at Ron, saying he
Speaker 1: is the trader.
Speaker 2: This is the thing about this game. Anytime somebody points
Speaker 2: out somebody else. But dude, he had actual receipts, like
Speaker 2: you said.
Speaker 1: He wasn't saying I think it's poorsia because I just
Speaker 1: have a feeling. He was like, look, I overheard this,
Speaker 1: so I'm just gonna say, you know, if the choice
Speaker 1: is between Donna and this person, this person, we actually
Speaker 1: can say why, there's reasoning. That was like evidence I
Speaker 1: feel like Ron at this point, I was like, Ron
Speaker 1: is getting the short end of the stick and totally
Speaker 1: TINU to feel that way. I do all three of
Speaker 1: these episodes. I feel like he is being reasonable. He is,
Speaker 1: he is, he is expressing himself unemotionally, he's not pointing
Speaker 1: fingers needlessly, and he's he's doing it respectfully. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: and he's losing for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually turning on him, and you saw the
Speaker 2: next day at breakfast when somebody said they're like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: it makes no sense that Ron didn't tell anybody heard
Speaker 2: this thing. And Donna was on, who was like, well, no,
Speaker 2: he did tell some people. Yeah, he told me and Michael.
Speaker 1: He also said that the round table, I.
Speaker 2: Know, but even before, but they're saying, like before, like
Speaker 2: why before the round table would you if you heard this,
Speaker 2: why would you not tell anybody? And it was Donna
Speaker 2: was like, no, he did. He told me, and he
Speaker 2: told Michael. And the problem is people weren't trusting Donna
Speaker 2: and Michael at that point, right, So it's like, then
Speaker 2: why does that met Well, oh oh he told the
Speaker 2: other people we don't trust.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why you have to be super social in
Speaker 1: this game. You have to just get to know and
Speaker 1: just get to hang out with people, which I feel
Speaker 1: like the Housewives are very good at, Like they are
Speaker 1: socially engaging with everybody and they're making everybody feel like
Speaker 1: they have some kind of connection, because I mean, the
Speaker 1: Housewives really they're killing it.
Speaker 2: Well, if I know my housewife lore, which I don't
Speaker 2: literally never seen an episode of Housewives in my life,
Speaker 2: but if I know anything about housewives. It's a show
Speaker 2: about drunken backstabbing, which is what this is. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're literally they just made a game. It might as
Speaker 2: well be called to Find the Secret Housewife, right, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean?
Speaker 3: I mean this is what they do for a living.
Speaker 3: Do you think social skills are more important than strategy? Well, again,
Speaker 3: what's the strategy unless you're a trick if you're faithful,
Speaker 3: is there a strategy because you're just I'm gonna be
Speaker 3: as honest as I can. I'm going to try to
Speaker 3: look for signals for other people. But what would your
Speaker 3: strategy be?
Speaker 1: I don't know, because like at this point, from this
Speaker 1: point in the three episodes, all the way through the
Speaker 1: end of the third one, I was like, this game
Speaker 1: is actually there's no strategy, There's no It's really just
Speaker 1: a game of popularity. It's just like people piling on
Speaker 1: and I was really upset watching them Pilon Donna. But
Speaker 1: then boom, how do I know? My god, it's gonna
Speaker 1: keep happening this whole season?
Speaker 3: Is it's crazy?
Speaker 2: Now if they're smart, well we'll get it. We'll get
Speaker 2: into that next episode. We'll get into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, all right, Well At this point, the
Speaker 1: traders receive letters that they have to murder someone in
Speaker 1: playing sight.
Speaker 2: So is this a thing that happens, Yeah, okay, this
Speaker 2: is this is this happens occasionally. They upped the anties
Speaker 2: with the murders. It can't just be you meet and
Speaker 2: decide who you're gonna kill.
Speaker 1: I like this factor. I like that they have to
Speaker 1: like really lie to each other and do things in
Speaker 1: front of other people or like, because that that's where
Speaker 1: the strategy and the socialization really have to to. Like
Speaker 1: it's it's either or from moment to moment. And at
Speaker 1: this point, like you know, when when Can'tice does her
Speaker 1: congo line, I was just like that, And even before
Speaker 1: she does it, she's talking about different things that she
Speaker 1: could be doing. She's like, do I have a breakdown
Speaker 1: because Portia laught and I was like, I hate you
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 3: But then she said it best.
Speaker 1: But she's like, sometimes being a little extra is in
Speaker 1: your benefit. I'm like, yeah, yes you are. You're gonna
Speaker 1: get away with shit that, Like I would not be
Speaker 1: able to get away with or even rob the trader,
Speaker 1: her partner would. He wouldn't have been able to distract
Speaker 1: people like that if he suddenly, but because she has
Speaker 1: a personality where people kind of expect that or buy that,
Speaker 1: she can't get away with a lot a lot and
Speaker 1: she's so at this point, I was like, I went
Speaker 1: from thinking Kansas is a really bad player who's not
Speaker 1: gonna last, you know, he was not going to to like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, she might be she might go far.
Speaker 2: This is where rob C became a champion to me,
Speaker 2: where he was just like, okay, who At first he
Speaker 2: was like I think they're doing a murder and plain
Speaker 2: sight like he's called it. He's like, I think it's no,
Speaker 2: nailed it. And then it was like who started the
Speaker 2: congo line? Yeah, like he instantly went there.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It was brilliant.
Speaker 1: I was so impressed with him. Yeah, because like at
Speaker 1: this point he had flown under the radar for me,
Speaker 1: you know, because they don't they didn't highlight his personality.
Speaker 1: They were you know, but he like was suspicious and
Speaker 1: paranoid exactly the right time.
Speaker 2: He's like, don't don't let him hug you, don't let
Speaker 2: him hand you a glass, don't let him do anything.
Speaker 2: He's like like staying behind the wall as something's going up. Brilliant,
Speaker 2: this guy would have won the whole thing had he
Speaker 2: not been Yes, that was he was my pa. At
Speaker 2: the second he went I think they're doing a murder
Speaker 2: and plane side. I'm like, that's your winner.
Speaker 1: But do you think that's why they picked him?
Speaker 2: Do you think they know because they didn't know that
Speaker 2: at the time, I didn't know that. They just know
Speaker 2: that he won.
Speaker 3: They so lucky, They so lucky.
Speaker 1: They got so lucky because I didn't know who they picked.
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there going, man, if they didn't pick Rob,
Speaker 1: they're screwed.
Speaker 2: Right, because at the next banishment he would have been like,
Speaker 2: who starts a conga line?
Speaker 1: Yep, exactly you did.
Speaker 2: That was straight up a distraction and that's another piece
Speaker 2: of evidence. And they ever had to say it because
Speaker 2: they managed to pick him, and they're they're picking off
Speaker 2: the gamers, which is what I would do too. By
Speaker 2: the way, it's like, oh, you're you do reality TV
Speaker 2: show gaming. You gotta go first. I'll deal with the
Speaker 2: housewives next, Like you gotta go first.
Speaker 1: Now the other Rob, the trader, Rob Robert was very
Speaker 1: smart setting up that chess situation really good. I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is because so he and Lisa got to sit
Speaker 1: there and basically in Playing Sight figure out who they
Speaker 1: were going to kill.
Speaker 3: Really smart, really smart.
Speaker 1: So the Traders, all three of the Traders did really
Speaker 1: well with this thing.
Speaker 3: I think so too. This was their best episode so
Speaker 3: far of just cam in them.
Speaker 1: I mean, she didn't get to weigh in on who
Speaker 1: they killed, which I found interesting, Like.
Speaker 2: But they killed the right person for her because that
Speaker 2: guy would have pointed a finger right at her.
Speaker 3: So it worked perfectly first.
Speaker 1: See I wonder if so they have no idea until
Speaker 1: the episode airs that all that was happening, right, No.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean they might have talked to each
Speaker 2: other in the tower like hey, what did you do?
Speaker 1: But no, right, But I mean they didn't know that
Speaker 1: if they didn't hear Rob saying I think they're trying
Speaker 1: to murder someone on Playing Sight.
Speaker 3: You know she told them later.
Speaker 2: Remember She's like, he came up to me and said
Speaker 2: they're performing a murder in Playing Sight and they're like what, Yeah,
Speaker 2: So I mean that's that's the guy who.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 2: They also can't talk to each other when they're not filming,
Speaker 2: by the way, Oh, so they're not allowed to speak
Speaker 2: while not filming.
Speaker 3: Are their phones taken? From them.
Speaker 5: I wonder, yes there is actually I remember Dolores told
Speaker 5: us last season or someone that they are allowed a
Speaker 5: phone call to like one person, So like, will you'd
Speaker 5: only call Sue and only Sue can know and they're
Speaker 5: actually monitoring your call as well.
Speaker 3: So what happened with God Dylan.
Speaker 5: Has said before that like he because his girlfriend knows
Speaker 5: like all the housewives, and so she was like, oh
Speaker 5: my god, I know this person, and he couldn't really
Speaker 5: respond on what it was.
Speaker 1: And there's someone listening in.
Speaker 3: Geez, that's crazy. Yeah, oh my god. Mm well, I'm
Speaker 3: got to figure out who I'll call.
Speaker 1: I'll be your one phone, yes, well, speaking.
Speaker 2: Code exactly, I'll be like, hey, the eagle murdered that
Speaker 2: one guy from Love from the Housewives last night, m
Speaker 2: and then no one will be able to pick us up.
Speaker 3: We're clever people.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, they started playing chess, decided how to
Speaker 1: murder in some weird coded speed that didn't quite make
Speaker 1: sense to me.
Speaker 4: But they got it.
Speaker 3: A credit.
Speaker 1: They figured it out yep, and threw the card into
Speaker 1: the fire.
Speaker 3: They did it. Yeah, but they did it. They accomplished
Speaker 3: their mission.
Speaker 2: We should also say one of the or the the
Speaker 2: uh prize for completing the murder and plain Sight was
Speaker 2: getting to.
Speaker 3: Meet the secret the Secret.
Speaker 2: Trader, So that's why they wanted to do it. It wasn't
Speaker 2: just that they got to kill somebody. They also got
Speaker 2: to face to face meet the Secret Trader. And I
Speaker 2: have a theory about why that happened so quickly. What
Speaker 2: do you mean, I don't think they ever would have
Speaker 2: unmasked the Secret Trader in episode three or it really
Speaker 2: turned out to be episode two. If this if whoever
Speaker 2: was the Secret Trader was flying under the radar, but
Speaker 2: the secret Trader they picked had the second most number
Speaker 2: of votes, and all the producers knew that the Secret
Speaker 2: Trader was going to be out in anyway, so they
Speaker 2: had to do every yep they had to. This would
Speaker 2: have been because I was like, wow, this season episode two,
Speaker 2: we already get to know who the Secret Trader is.
Speaker 2: And that's only because the Secret Trader was about to die.
Speaker 2: And if this Secret Trader was flying totally under the radar,
Speaker 2: they would have gone five episodes before we ever knew
Speaker 2: who the Secret Trader was.
Speaker 3: I'm convinced, because why would you do that?
Speaker 2: You gain nothing by putting the secret Trader out there,
Speaker 2: but they knew and everybody knows now it was Donna.
Speaker 2: They knew that Donna had the most votes. They've got
Speaker 2: cameras on everybody, they hear people talking. They know ten
Speaker 2: people are going to vote for Donna. Let's do this now,
Speaker 2: so at least we have a chance of having some
Speaker 2: of the who's it going to be?
Speaker 3: Who's it going to be?
Speaker 2: Who's it going to because the producers already knew the
Speaker 2: Secret Trader was dead, so I had not had it
Speaker 2: been somebody nobody suspected, this would have been five episodes
Speaker 2: before they unveiled the Secret Trader.
Speaker 3: Way better.
Speaker 2: So what I'm guessing is going to happen because they
Speaker 2: did something similar last year. I guess is Alan's gonna
Speaker 2: come up to them. He's going to appear in the
Speaker 2: tower in another episode or two, and he's gonna look
Speaker 2: at them and says and say, by the way, I
Speaker 2: picked a new secret Trader, and you don't know who
Speaker 2: it is, and we're going to start all over again.
Speaker 2: And he approached some he'll have approached somebody else to
Speaker 2: take that position, and a new trader will have joined
Speaker 2: the ranks that we don't know.
Speaker 1: Who it is because it's a really good dynamic.
Speaker 3: It's a great dynamic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I feel like the the show is in
Speaker 1: some ways more self satisfying when you know who the
Speaker 1: bad guys are, but it's more exciting and way more
Speaker 1: exciting to be guessing yourself.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: Because I've seen now both versions I've seen where you
Speaker 2: know everybody, yeah, and now the version where you don't.
Speaker 2: And all I was thinking about the whole time Sue
Speaker 2: and I were talking about, is oh, who's.
Speaker 3: The secret Trader? Who it could be that could be them?
Speaker 1: Could be them?
Speaker 3: So they'll bring that back in some form before the season's.
Speaker 1: Over all, right, So going back, because we actually didn't
Speaker 1: say who the four choices that the Secret Trader gave
Speaker 1: them to murder?
Speaker 3: Oh right, or it was.
Speaker 1: Monet, Rob C, Tara, and Kristen.
Speaker 3: Yes, which again some weird choices.
Speaker 1: I know you would have you would have picked Rob
Speaker 1: C based on said during the ch But would you
Speaker 1: do you think you would have chosen that? Yes before?
Speaker 3: Really somebody exactly.
Speaker 2: He's a gamer who does strategy and has won one
Speaker 2: of these games before.
Speaker 3: Get rid of them, Just get rid of those guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because everybody else again and this, you know, knowing
Speaker 1: now that it was Donna, she wasn't really playing well. No,
Speaker 1: she's playing very poorly, yeah, because she you know, those
Speaker 1: first four picks were kind of just you know, got
Speaker 1: random and random, and like, really at this point, shouldn't
Speaker 1: she have been picking people who were calling her out? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you think she'd already done a round table, right.
Speaker 2: But then the other thing is like, do you if
Speaker 2: you pick four people that called out Donna?
Speaker 1: No, But what she should have done is is the
Speaker 1: list should have been jam Jam Michael yeah, and maybe
Speaker 1: two other people that were you know, speaking out a lot,
Speaker 1: because if it, let's say, maybe when Jim died, everybody
Speaker 1: would turn to Michael, right or vice versa. So like
Speaker 1: if she had put them on the list, and you know,
Speaker 1: instead she picked people who, as far as we know
Speaker 1: I'm only seeing the finished edit, did not speak up
Speaker 1: that much.
Speaker 2: I agree, So she was just playing really poorly, right.
Speaker 2: I also think they did her dirty. They should have
Speaker 2: made her faithful, and they should have let her last
Speaker 2: on the show as long as she lasts on the show,
Speaker 2: because it would have just been better for her to
Speaker 2: play as a faithful I think then as the secret Trader.
Speaker 1: Well, I think you're you know, the fact that you
Speaker 1: called it right away, that you're like, oh, she's the
Speaker 1: secret to perfect and they all did means that means
Speaker 1: that the producers were probably not giving the contestants or
Speaker 1: the audience as as much credit as they should have, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Right, the producers were thinking,
Speaker 1: they were like, do this tricky thing and give it
Speaker 1: to like the and it's like little old lady, you
Speaker 1: know I would suspect And it's like, but that's.
Speaker 3: So why you suspect them exactly?
Speaker 2: Whereas you give it to like Mark Ballas or Kristen
Speaker 2: somebody who or the or Eric the the singer who
Speaker 2: kind of frankly nobody really knows who this guy is
Speaker 2: and is just quiet and flying under the radar. That's
Speaker 2: somebody that then they did.
Speaker 1: I feel like with Rob r Or they did chore
Speaker 1: somebody who's like probably gonna really not be suspected for.
Speaker 3: A long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, But I think you know, this is the
Speaker 1: fun is that it could have gone the exact opposite
Speaker 1: and picked like Michael Rapperport because he's so obnoxious. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: That's what they're saying, Like he can't be a trader.
Speaker 2: You can't be a trader too much of a dick,
Speaker 2: like nobody would play it like this, So yeah, you
Speaker 2: don't know, you don't know.
Speaker 3: That's the thing that's so crazy. Yeah. Nuts.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, that's it for this episode of pod
Speaker 1: meets Twirled. Alliances were tested, trust misplaced, and once again
Speaker 1: we're left with a cliffhanger. Join us next time as
Speaker 1: we continue our journey through season four of Traders, a
Speaker 1: show in which, as Shakespeare said his Scottish play, fad
Speaker 1: is foul and foul is fad
Speaker 2: Mhm