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Speaker 1: Welcome to pod meets Twirld, a podcast from two guys

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Speaker 1: who had never seen an episode of Dancing with the Stars,

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Speaker 1: but took it on and walked away experts. So now

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Speaker 1: we turned to Traders, another show I've never seen, but

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Speaker 1: Will is convinced that he could win. We are Wilfred

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Speaker 1: Ell and Ryder Strong, two best friends, one a TV expert,

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Speaker 1: one a TV skeptic, both dance scholars, join us as

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Speaker 1: we step into a castle full of lies, alliances, and

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Speaker 1: over the top wardrobe choices. This is Pod meets Twirld

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Speaker 1: Trading places.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, episode at least at least put your

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Speaker 2: hoodie up.

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Speaker 3: I no, I had, I had the whole thing going.

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Speaker 3: I had it, I had, I had it going. But eventually,

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Speaker 3: you know, I gotta get I got I'm at work this.

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Speaker 3: I need a new I need a new one. This

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Speaker 3: is well. When I go on the show, I'll get

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Speaker 3: my own.

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Speaker 1: M I want one of those gold face masks.

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Speaker 2: I can get you one of those. I can get

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Speaker 2: you one of those five minutes. Oh, I got a

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Speaker 2: gold face mask.

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Speaker 1: Guy, I got it.

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Speaker 3: That's easy. That's cake.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very squid games, actually squid game a little

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Speaker 2: that and a little uh what's the Tom Cruise X movie?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, eyes wide shut, Yes.

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Speaker 2: Little eyes wide shut. Oh my god, I've gone turtle,

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Speaker 2: I trap myself. Hang on, all right, there we go.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we're good.

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Speaker 1: All right. We continue our journey with Traders Season four,

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Speaker 1: episode two. We already kind of spoiled it at the

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Speaker 1: end of our last episode because all three of first

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Speaker 1: episodes dropped and we just yeah, yeah, so do they

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Speaker 1: normally do this where they delay like who actually got

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Speaker 1: murdered until the next episode?

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Speaker 2: Or yes, apparently according to producing Tara, thank god she's

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Speaker 2: here because we wouldn't be going what's going on? Well,

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Speaker 2: that's how we were doing Dancing with Stars.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's uh yeah, it's really really big on

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Speaker 1: the cliffhangers on this show. Yeah, Like that's just my god.

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Speaker 2: It's like whatever that movie was with Sylvester Stallone Edge.

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Speaker 3: What is it called Cliffhanger?

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Speaker 1: It's just literally called got So beginning of episode two,

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Speaker 1: we pick up at the cliffhanger where the Traders are

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Speaker 1: deciding who to murder and then the next morning, so

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Speaker 1: they only know who was murdered based on who doesn't

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Speaker 1: get into breakfast.

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Speaker 2: Right, who doesn't show up to that phenomenal meal which

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Speaker 2: if you pause, it had some great pastries, there was

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Speaker 2: a potato dish, there was some good eggs that were

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Speaker 2: up there. Clearly juices from all around the world that

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Speaker 2: worth the price of admission right there at the castle,

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, the Trader breakfast.

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Speaker 1: And then is it Derinda that walked in and got applause?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because she was kicked off first to the last

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Speaker 2: episode and she's like kind of again, never seen a

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Speaker 2: Housewives in my life, but she's very like.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know if she.

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Speaker 2: Was a good like a good housewife, if she was

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Speaker 2: a good witch or a bad witch. But I think

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Speaker 2: they liked her and the Housewives, I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought was sweet that they like gave her

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Speaker 1: this moment and she started crying. It was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: well you made it one night.

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Speaker 2: Well she flew all the way to Scotland the last

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Speaker 2: time it was there like eight hours, and it's like

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Speaker 2: they thinks that's the other question is if your if

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Speaker 2: you do get murdered or are kicked off the show,

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Speaker 2: they have to make sure that you're you don't tell anybody,

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Speaker 2: So I imagine you're essentially sequestered for the next two

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Speaker 1: You're kidding me, You have a vacation in Scotland to

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Speaker 1: do nothing but hang out on the hotel.

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Speaker 2: No, they probably will not let you leave the hotel

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Speaker 2: because then someone will take a picture of you and

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Speaker 2: you're probably in a hotel room not being able to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 1: The choices for to be murdered were Ian, who is

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Speaker 1: And then Eric the singer who I don't know who is,

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Speaker 1: but he's also seemed very low key, and I didn't

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Speaker 1: I guess my only thought was, like, Ian, because he

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Speaker 2: That's what I would think, because again, at this point,

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Speaker 2: you're kind of throwing darts, right, I mean, you don't

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Speaker 3: Nobody's formed any real alliances.

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Speaker 1: But that's why I was confused that they that the

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Speaker 1: traders did not use this information to try and figure

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Speaker 1: out who the secret trader was, right, because they definitely

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Speaker 1: picked four low key dudes, like there was no big

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Speaker 1: Ian didn't show up, and uh we got the sequence

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Speaker 2: It's like, you could be a threat. We haven't even

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Speaker 2: started yet. You could be a threat, so it's time

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Speaker 2: that you go. That makes sense. I don't think Michael

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Speaker 2: Rappaport would have taken it as a a sign of respect.

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Speaker 2: I think he would have flipped over tables and smashed stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he seems like an emotional that's a good

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Speaker 1: way to put it. An emotional baby, an emotional player, yes, player, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just tan from after it was it was just it's

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Speaker 1: can you can you realize it's not working? Like at

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Speaker 1: a certain point, It's never going to be good for you, dude.

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Speaker 2: They're just they're going to vote you off whether they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, agreed.

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Speaker 1: And then Alan Cummings showed up and is very shy

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Speaker 3: Time. Yeah, it's perfect. Wait, I have I have a

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Speaker 2: First, you said at the beginning of the last episode

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Speaker 3: You liked who uh uh Natalie.

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Speaker 2: Natalie was one of your favorites, and so is Mark

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Speaker 2: starting episode two? What you saw with episode one? Has

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Speaker 1: I guess I was starting to think that that Jam

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Speaker 1: which I didn't realize he's a very likable person. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think so too early on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was a big fan of Rob c by

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, right before he got murdered. I felt that, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I mean we're assuming all three episodes of Drops everyone's yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think I agree with you and Michael's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: the way that I would play it. You're being very loud,

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Speaker 2: You're being it's like you don't ever especially if you're

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Speaker 3: I would imagine you want to be the center of attention. No, like,

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Speaker 3: why would you do that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you so little seeds to doubt and you

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Speaker 2: walk away, do you everything with a whisper?

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Speaker 3: You shouldn't be yelling all right?

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Speaker 1: After breakfast, everyone dispersed, and then this is where the

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Speaker 3: I was like, what, oh, come on, she's the most suspicious.

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Speaker 1: I got so upset. That's so funny because I was like,

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Speaker 1: this poor woman is not a reality star exactly. She's

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Speaker 1: just like everyone's like, she's so low key. She's not

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Speaker 2: Because she You're coming into a thing where it's a game.

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Speaker 2: You imagine that it moves very quickly, so they shoot

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Speaker 2: over a week or ten days, whatever it is, the

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Speaker 2: You're not talking strategy at all. You're not making any friends.

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Speaker 2: You just you stand out.

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Speaker 1: You just do and and but she also already stands

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Speaker 1: out because she's older than everybody. Yeah, she's just I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I was just I felt so sorry for her,

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Speaker 2: I know it's going to happen well, because again, she's

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Speaker 2: the first one I would have picked to a been

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Speaker 2: a secret trader, very first one I would have picked

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Speaker 2: would have been her. Yeah, because it's amazing, She's she's perfect.

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Speaker 2: No one wants to vote for her because of the Swifties.

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Speaker 2: Everyone loves her, she's the mom. She's probably the nicest

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Speaker 3: That's the first person.

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Speaker 1: Exactly right, And I would have to stuck my foot

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Speaker 2: Here's the other thing I think though about this game.

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Speaker 2: This game to me is like Jeopardy in that I'll

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Speaker 2: bet you everyone's graded it in their house, and then

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Speaker 2: the second you get there, you're like, I suck at this.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: So I think you would drive, I don't know. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if I would.

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Speaker 2: I think it would be one of those things where

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Speaker 2: I think I'd be a lot better than I actually would.

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Speaker 2: I feel the same way with Jeopardy. I win Jeopardy

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Speaker 2: every night. I bet you I'd stand with there with

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Speaker 2: a buzzer in my hand and not get one.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. Also during this period, Portia slips up

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Speaker 1: and says that she killed Ian, which is like, why

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Speaker 1: did she say that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't, I don't know, and she clearly said it,

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Speaker 3: And you have to find these little tokens, and I found.

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Speaker 2: On, strength and brains. The guy's kind of got the

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Speaker 1: Because then later we'll get into it, like his whole

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Speaker 2: To be exactly Yes, this guy knows what the best player,

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Speaker 2: Not like seen her going like, you know, don't, don't

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Speaker 3: Did get off get out of the chair. Yeah, it's like,

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Speaker 4: But then when they make it Michael, dude, he runs over, yes,

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Speaker 2: Everything's about him. He's like, well, I thought it was

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Speaker 3: No one ever said that right, So yeah it was.

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Speaker 1: Why would why would Michael Rapper like he just thinks

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Speaker 2: He thought because I think I think in his line

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Speaker 1: What happened the night before at the roundtable, everyone was.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, there's a murder. You're right, it's not the

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Speaker 2: So he made it all about him without I'm sorry

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Speaker 3: A coffin in his grave. But who cares exactly?

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Speaker 2: But if he took it personally to where it's like,

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Speaker 1: It's so dumb and like jam Jam got the thing,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're also just keep putting a target on your

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Speaker 3: What are you doing, dude? What are you doing? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And I love they kept it was so big at

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Speaker 2: Right, that's the joy, that's the joy. You just you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd's so bad, Like it's just protesting way too much.

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Speaker 2: And even Alan Cumming was like, hey, why this is

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Speaker 1: We're still got to show to do here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a g again. I'm going to give my

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Speaker 2: He's very good at this. It's the fabulous thing and

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Speaker 3: Oh, I think some of it's great.

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Speaker 1: I like it. I like it, but it's very script

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Speaker 3: I think that's what I love.

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Speaker 1: That's what's amazing is that it's actually right and still

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Speaker 3: I've done it for what forty seasons?

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Speaker 1: It has always been great, and everybody respects him, everybody

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Speaker 1: He's a great entertainment. It's just about doing his thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes sense, all right.

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Speaker 1: So the group dispersed for dinner, really started zeroing in

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Speaker 1: God, they must be offering like vacation packages for people

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Speaker 3: I'm sure definitely.

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Speaker 2: They probably run games there like like that they'll play

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Speaker 1: I can't remember it. Like there there are D and

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Speaker 1: How fun would it be to good place D a castle?

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Speaker 1: Like has Critical Role done that where they film it.

439
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 3: I don't know if they've done that, but I'm sure

440
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 3: they will.

441
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:55,440
Speaker 1: They should.

442
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:56,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure they're.

443
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 1: Going to someplace like like if they were just playing

444
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,399
Speaker 1: D and D H on this show, I'd kind of

445
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,879
Speaker 1: be into it. I think i'd watch it because like

446
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 1: I haven't watched Chronical role because they're all just kind

447
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 1: of like in a room if they were like at

448
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,919
Speaker 1: a castle, and then you got to see them like,

449
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm kind of into it.

450
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 3: All right, we should put it together, all right.

451
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 1: Second round table begins. Natalie started the conversation calling out Donna,

452
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,879
Speaker 1: which I was like, poor Donna. This is where I'm like,

453
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 1: what is going on? I was starting to think maybe

454
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 1: I was like ageism ages and also like like just

455
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 1: because she's not a big, like fancy dressed reality star,

456
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna pick on her.

457
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 2: I was like, man, realism reels.

458
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: It just felt it just felt like bullying to me. Yeah.

459
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,400
Speaker 1: Then Ron brought up his very reasonable evidence.

460
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Speaker 3: He again came with receipts.

461
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:51,879
Speaker 5: Yeah.

462
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 3: Yeah.

463
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 1: But then Michael does the same freaking thing. He says, well,

464
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Speaker 1: when we killed ID, and I actually gave him the

465
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt because I could tell by the

466
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 1: way he was trying to I was like.

467
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 3: We gave him more of a benefit of Yeah, yeah,

468
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 3: that's what.

469
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 1: I gave him more a benefit of the doubt than her,

470
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 1: Like she just said it apropos of nothing.

471
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 2: I was and multiple times she said a couple of things, yes, yeah, but.

472
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that. Like, here they are presenting evidence

473
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 1: about how you don't say that, and then he just

474
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 1: does it. It's like, dude, watch watch yourself.

475
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 2: And then everyone was like, whoa, whoa, what did you

476
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 2: just Okay? Would that have changed your mind? If you

477
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 2: were sitting at the table and you heard Michael say

478
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: when we kill the end, would you have changed your vote? A?

479
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 2: Who would you have been voting for already? And B

480
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 2: would you have changed it because of Michael?

481
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 1: Based on what was said at this table, there was

482
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,959
Speaker 1: no doubt in my mind that Porsche was the right vote.

483
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 3: I think I would have I would have stuck with

484
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 3: Porsche too.

485
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 2: That would have been I was I had switched from

486
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,360
Speaker 2: down at a Porsche by that point because there were literal

487
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 2: receipts like.

488
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 3: Okay, there's some actual evidence.

489
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 1: Yes, everything else is really and and that's what's tricky

490
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 1: about this game for me. It's like so much of

491
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: it is really just vibes, you know, innuendo and like

492
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 1: I don't trust you, I trust you, and it's like

493
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: that's really hard. That's what I like about the fact

494
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 1: that the secret Trader was unknown to us, Yeah, because

495
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a little easy when you know

496
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: who's a trader and who's not to see them lying

497
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: or to see them not lying, whereas when you really

498
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: don't know, like we didn't these first couple episodes. I

499
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: I was pretty on board with the Porsche boat, you know.

500
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: I was there's no doubt in my mind. I was like, you, yad,

501
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 1: just vote for her. So I was. I was genuinely

502
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 1: shocked when she turned out to be a faithful.

503
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 5: See.

504
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 2: It was one of two things for me. I was like, Okay,

505
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 2: so she's the secret trader or she's just really really

506
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: bad bad at this. And I I didn't know which

507
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 2: way to go. It's like, if she says she's a

508
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 2: faithful or if she says she's a trader, I'll be like, oh, okay,

509
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 2: yeah they got her. I was like, but I'm kind

510
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 2: of leaning towards the fact that she's just kind of

511
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 2: bad at this. Yeah.

512
00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: You know what. I don't even think it was that

513
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: she said though, like we killed you and or I

514
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: killed anything. It was when she said that there were

515
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: four traders, Yeah, how do you know how many traders?

516
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: That's when I was like, yeah, oh, if they're not

517
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: supposed to know, and if you were the secret trader,

518
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: you would know that there were four because exactly what

519
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: you said last episode that they would have to have

520
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 1: a list of four names, right, Because then it was

521
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 1: I was like, she knows, she knows. I thought for

522
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: sure we were, we were revealing the secret.

523
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 3: I was fifty to fifty bad player fifty.

524
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 2: But at the same time, for the first vote, if

525
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 2: I don't know who it is, and somebody does come

526
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 2: with literal receipts, where other people also chimed in, like,

527
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 2: oh I heard her say that too. How do you

528
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 2: not vote for the person where there's receipts, I mean

529
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: there's some form of evidence.

530
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 3: Yep.

531
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: So there were some votes for Donna, which didn't make

532
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 1: sense to me, votes for Michael totally made sense. And

533
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: then Portia, which is what exactly what I who I

534
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: would have voted for game I think, not even thought

535
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: twice about it. And then she was banished. She goes

536
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: to the banished, banished goes to the circle of honesty, the.

537
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: Truth, the circle of truth, and then she's a faithful.

538
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 3: Faithful man.

539
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I mean she didn't really defend herself very well.

540
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: No, I just again, I don't think this was her game,

541
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: and I you know, didn't didn't speak well, didn't form alliances,

542
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 2: didn't play well particularly in the challenges, didn't defend herself

543
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 2: properly at the table.

544
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 3: She was the first out.

545
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:47,239
Speaker 5: Well.

546
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 1: Then the players broke into small groups to talk about

547
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 1: the roundtable and started pointy fingers at Ron, saying he

548
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 1: is the trader.

549
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: This is the thing about this game. Anytime somebody points

550
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 2: out somebody else. But dude, he had actual receipts, like

551
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 2: you said.

552
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: He wasn't saying I think it's poorsia because I just

553
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: have a feeling. He was like, look, I overheard this,

554
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: so I'm just gonna say, you know, if the choice

555
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: is between Donna and this person, this person, we actually

556
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: can say why, there's reasoning. That was like evidence I

557
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: feel like Ron at this point, I was like, Ron

558
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: is getting the short end of the stick and totally

559
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: TINU to feel that way. I do all three of

560
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: these episodes. I feel like he is being reasonable. He is,

561
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: he is, he is expressing himself unemotionally, he's not pointing

562
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: fingers needlessly, and he's he's doing it respectfully. Yeah, I know,

563
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: and he's losing for it.

564
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually turning on him, and you saw the

565
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 2: next day at breakfast when somebody said they're like, oh, well,

566
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: it makes no sense that Ron didn't tell anybody heard

567
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 2: this thing. And Donna was on, who was like, well, no,

568
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: he did tell some people. Yeah, he told me and Michael.

569
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: He also said that the round table, I.

570
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 2: Know, but even before, but they're saying, like before, like

571
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 2: why before the round table would you if you heard this,

572
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: why would you not tell anybody? And it was Donna

573
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: was like, no, he did. He told me, and he

574
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 2: told Michael. And the problem is people weren't trusting Donna

575
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 2: and Michael at that point, right, So it's like, then

576
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: why does that met Well, oh oh he told the

577
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:13,959
Speaker 2: other people we don't trust.

578
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: Well, that's why you have to be super social in

579
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: this game. You have to just get to know and

580
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: just get to hang out with people, which I feel

581
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 1: like the Housewives are very good at, Like they are

582
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: socially engaging with everybody and they're making everybody feel like

583
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: they have some kind of connection, because I mean, the

584
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: Housewives really they're killing it.

585
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: Well, if I know my housewife lore, which I don't

586
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 2: literally never seen an episode of Housewives in my life,

587
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: but if I know anything about housewives. It's a show

588
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: about drunken backstabbing, which is what this is. I mean,

589
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 2: you're literally they just made a game. It might as

590
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: well be called to Find the Secret Housewife, right, you

591
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: know what I mean?

592
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 3: I mean this is what they do for a living.

593
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: Do you think social skills are more important than strategy? Well, again,

594
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 3: what's the strategy unless you're a trick if you're faithful,

595
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 3: is there a strategy because you're just I'm gonna be

596
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 3: as honest as I can. I'm going to try to

597
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,719
Speaker 3: look for signals for other people. But what would your

598
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 3: strategy be?

599
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, because like at this point, from this

600
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: point in the three episodes, all the way through the

601
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: end of the third one, I was like, this game

602
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: is actually there's no strategy, There's no It's really just

603
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: a game of popularity. It's just like people piling on

604
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: and I was really upset watching them Pilon Donna. But

605
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: then boom, how do I know? My god, it's gonna

606
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: keep happening this whole season?

607
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 3: Is it's crazy?

608
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,479
Speaker 2: Now if they're smart, well we'll get it. We'll get

609
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 2: into that next episode. We'll get into it.

610
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, all right, Well At this point, the

611
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: traders receive letters that they have to murder someone in

612
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: playing sight.

613
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: So is this a thing that happens, Yeah, okay, this

614
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: is this is this happens occasionally. They upped the anties

615
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: with the murders. It can't just be you meet and

616
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: decide who you're gonna kill.

617
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: I like this factor. I like that they have to

618
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: like really lie to each other and do things in

619
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: front of other people or like, because that that's where

620
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: the strategy and the socialization really have to to. Like

621
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: it's it's either or from moment to moment. And at

622
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: this point, like you know, when when Can'tice does her

623
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: congo line, I was just like that, And even before

624
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: she does it, she's talking about different things that she

625
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: could be doing. She's like, do I have a breakdown

626
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: because Portia laught and I was like, I hate you

627
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: so much.

628
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 3: But then she said it best.

629
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 1: But she's like, sometimes being a little extra is in

630
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: your benefit. I'm like, yeah, yes you are. You're gonna

631
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: get away with shit that, Like I would not be

632
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: able to get away with or even rob the trader,

633
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: her partner would. He wouldn't have been able to distract

634
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: people like that if he suddenly, but because she has

635
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: a personality where people kind of expect that or buy that,

636
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: she can't get away with a lot a lot and

637
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: she's so at this point, I was like, I went

638
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: from thinking Kansas is a really bad player who's not

639
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: gonna last, you know, he was not going to to like,

640
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, she might be she might go far.

641
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: This is where rob C became a champion to me,

642
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: where he was just like, okay, who At first he

643
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: was like I think they're doing a murder and plain

644
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,719
Speaker 2: sight like he's called it. He's like, I think it's no,

645
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: nailed it. And then it was like who started the

646
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 2: congo line? Yeah, like he instantly went there.

647
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. It was brilliant.

648
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,239
Speaker 1: I was so impressed with him. Yeah, because like at

649
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: this point he had flown under the radar for me,

650
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, because they don't they didn't highlight his personality.

651
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: They were you know, but he like was suspicious and

652
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: paranoid exactly the right time.

653
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: He's like, don't don't let him hug you, don't let

654
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: him hand you a glass, don't let him do anything.

655
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: He's like like staying behind the wall as something's going up. Brilliant,

656
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: this guy would have won the whole thing had he

657
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: not been Yes, that was he was my pa. At

658
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: the second he went I think they're doing a murder

659
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: and plane side. I'm like, that's your winner.

660
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: But do you think that's why they picked him?

661
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: Do you think they know because they didn't know that

662
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: at the time, I didn't know that. They just know

663
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: that he won.

664
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 3: They so lucky, They so lucky.

665
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: They got so lucky because I didn't know who they picked.

666
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there going, man, if they didn't pick Rob,

667
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: they're screwed.

668
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: Right, because at the next banishment he would have been like,

669
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: who starts a conga line?

670
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: Yep, exactly you did.

671
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: That was straight up a distraction and that's another piece

672
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: of evidence. And they ever had to say it because

673
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: they managed to pick him, and they're they're picking off

674
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: the gamers, which is what I would do too. By

675
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: the way, it's like, oh, you're you do reality TV

676
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: show gaming. You gotta go first. I'll deal with the

677
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: housewives next, Like you gotta go first.

678
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: Now the other Rob, the trader, Rob Robert was very

679
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: smart setting up that chess situation really good. I was like, wow,

680
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: this is because so he and Lisa got to sit

681
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: there and basically in Playing Sight figure out who they

682
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: were going to kill.

683
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 3: Really smart, really smart.

684
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: So the Traders, all three of the Traders did really

685
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: well with this thing.

686
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 3: I think so too. This was their best episode so

687
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 3: far of just cam in them.

688
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: I mean, she didn't get to weigh in on who

689
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: they killed, which I found interesting, Like.

690
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: But they killed the right person for her because that

691
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: guy would have pointed a finger right at her.

692
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 3: So it worked perfectly first.

693
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: See I wonder if so they have no idea until

694
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: the episode airs that all that was happening, right, No.

695
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean they might have talked to each

696
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: other in the tower like hey, what did you do?

697
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: But no, right, But I mean they didn't know that

698
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: if they didn't hear Rob saying I think they're trying

699
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: to murder someone on Playing Sight.

700
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: You know she told them later.

701
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: Remember She's like, he came up to me and said

702
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: they're performing a murder in Playing Sight and they're like what, Yeah,

703
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: So I mean that's that's the guy who.

704
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 5: Oh.

705
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: They also can't talk to each other when they're not filming,

706
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: by the way, Oh, so they're not allowed to speak

707
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: while not filming.

708
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 3: Are their phones taken? From them.

709
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 5: I wonder, yes there is actually I remember Dolores told

710
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 5: us last season or someone that they are allowed a

711
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 5: phone call to like one person, So like, will you'd

712
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 5: only call Sue and only Sue can know and they're

713
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 5: actually monitoring your call as well.

714
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 3: So what happened with God Dylan.

715
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 5: Has said before that like he because his girlfriend knows

716
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 5: like all the housewives, and so she was like, oh

717
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 5: my god, I know this person, and he couldn't really

718
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 5: respond on what it was.

719
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: And there's someone listening in.

720
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 3: Geez, that's crazy. Yeah, oh my god. Mm well, I'm

721
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 3: got to figure out who I'll call.

722
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: I'll be your one phone, yes, well, speaking.

723
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: Code exactly, I'll be like, hey, the eagle murdered that

724
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: one guy from Love from the Housewives last night, m

725
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: and then no one will be able to pick us up.

726
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 3: We're clever people.

727
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 5: Wow.

728
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: All right, Well, they started playing chess, decided how to

729
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: murder in some weird coded speed that didn't quite make

730
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: sense to me.

731
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 4: But they got it.

732
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 3: A credit.

733
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: They figured it out yep, and threw the card into

734
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: the fire.

735
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 3: They did it. Yeah, but they did it. They accomplished

736
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 3: their mission.

737
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 2: We should also say one of the or the the

738
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: uh prize for completing the murder and plain Sight was

739
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 2: getting to.

740
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,959
Speaker 3: Meet the secret the Secret.

741
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: Trader, So that's why they wanted to do it. It wasn't

742
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 2: just that they got to kill somebody. They also got

743
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: to face to face meet the Secret Trader. And I

744
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: have a theory about why that happened so quickly. What

745
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: do you mean, I don't think they ever would have

746
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 2: unmasked the Secret Trader in episode three or it really

747
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: turned out to be episode two. If this if whoever

748
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: was the Secret Trader was flying under the radar, but

749
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: the secret Trader they picked had the second most number

750
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 2: of votes, and all the producers knew that the Secret

751
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 2: Trader was going to be out in anyway, so they

752
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 2: had to do every yep they had to. This would

753
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: have been because I was like, wow, this season episode two,

754
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: we already get to know who the Secret Trader is.

755
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 2: And that's only because the Secret Trader was about to die.

756
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: And if this Secret Trader was flying totally under the radar,

757
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: they would have gone five episodes before we ever knew

758
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: who the Secret Trader was.

759
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 3: I'm convinced, because why would you do that?

760
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: You gain nothing by putting the secret Trader out there,

761
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: but they knew and everybody knows now it was Donna.

762
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: They knew that Donna had the most votes. They've got

763
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: cameras on everybody, they hear people talking. They know ten

764
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 2: people are going to vote for Donna. Let's do this now,

765
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: so at least we have a chance of having some

766
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 2: of the who's it going to be?

767
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 3: Who's it going to be?

768
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: Who's it going to because the producers already knew the

769
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: Secret Trader was dead, so I had not had it

770
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 2: been somebody nobody suspected, this would have been five episodes

771
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: before they unveiled the Secret Trader.

772
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 3: Way better.

773
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: So what I'm guessing is going to happen because they

774
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 2: did something similar last year. I guess is Alan's gonna

775
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: come up to them. He's going to appear in the

776
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 2: tower in another episode or two, and he's gonna look

777
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: at them and says and say, by the way, I

778
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 2: picked a new secret Trader, and you don't know who

779
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: it is, and we're going to start all over again.

780
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 2: And he approached some he'll have approached somebody else to

781
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: take that position, and a new trader will have joined

782
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 2: the ranks that we don't know.

783
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: Who it is because it's a really good dynamic.

784
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 3: It's a great dynamic.

785
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I feel like the the show is in

786
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: some ways more self satisfying when you know who the

787
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: bad guys are, but it's more exciting and way more

788
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: exciting to be guessing yourself.

789
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: Yep.

790
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 2: Because I've seen now both versions I've seen where you

791
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: know everybody, yeah, and now the version where you don't.

792
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: And all I was thinking about the whole time Sue

793
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: and I were talking about, is oh, who's.

794
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 3: The secret Trader? Who it could be that could be them?

795
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: Could be them?

796
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 3: So they'll bring that back in some form before the season's.

797
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 1: Over all, right, So going back, because we actually didn't

798
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 1: say who the four choices that the Secret Trader gave

799
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 1: them to murder?

800
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 3: Oh right, or it was.

801
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: Monet, Rob C, Tara, and Kristen.

802
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: Yes, which again some weird choices.

803
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: I know you would have you would have picked Rob

804
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: C based on said during the ch But would you

805
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 1: do you think you would have chosen that? Yes before?

806
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 3: Really somebody exactly.

807
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: He's a gamer who does strategy and has won one

808
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: of these games before.

809
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 3: Get rid of them, Just get rid of those guys.

810
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, because everybody else again and this, you know, knowing

811
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: now that it was Donna, she wasn't really playing well. No,

812
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: she's playing very poorly, yeah, because she you know, those

813
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: first four picks were kind of just you know, got

814
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: random and random, and like, really at this point, shouldn't

815
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: she have been picking people who were calling her out? Yeah,

816
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: you think she'd already done a round table, right.

817
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 2: But then the other thing is like, do you if

818
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: you pick four people that called out Donna?

819
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 1: No, But what she should have done is is the

820
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: list should have been jam Jam Michael yeah, and maybe

821
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,439
Speaker 1: two other people that were you know, speaking out a lot,

822
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: because if it, let's say, maybe when Jim died, everybody

823
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: would turn to Michael, right or vice versa. So like

824
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: if she had put them on the list, and you know,

825
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: instead she picked people who, as far as we know

826
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm only seeing the finished edit, did not speak up

827
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: that much.

828
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 2: I agree, So she was just playing really poorly, right.

829
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 2: I also think they did her dirty. They should have

830
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 2: made her faithful, and they should have let her last

831
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 2: on the show as long as she lasts on the show,

832
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 2: because it would have just been better for her to

833
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: play as a faithful I think then as the secret Trader.

834
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: Well, I think you're you know, the fact that you

835
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: called it right away, that you're like, oh, she's the

836
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: secret to perfect and they all did means that means

837
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: that the producers were probably not giving the contestants or

838
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: the audience as as much credit as they should have, right,

839
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Right, the producers were thinking,

840
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: they were like, do this tricky thing and give it

841
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: to like the and it's like little old lady, you

842
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: know I would suspect And it's like, but that's.

843
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 3: So why you suspect them exactly?

844
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 2: Whereas you give it to like Mark Ballas or Kristen

845
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: somebody who or the or Eric the the singer who

846
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 2: kind of frankly nobody really knows who this guy is

847
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 2: and is just quiet and flying under the radar. That's

848
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: somebody that then they did.

849
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: I feel like with Rob r Or they did chore

850
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 1: somebody who's like probably gonna really not be suspected for.

851
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: A long time.

852
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, But I think you know, this is the

853
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: fun is that it could have gone the exact opposite

854
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: and picked like Michael Rapperport because he's so obnoxious. That's

855
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

856
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 3: That's what they're saying, Like he can't be a trader.

857
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 2: You can't be a trader too much of a dick,

858
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: like nobody would play it like this, So yeah, you

859
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: don't know, you don't know.

860
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 3: That's the thing that's so crazy. Yeah. Nuts.

861
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: All right, Well, that's it for this episode of pod

862
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: meets Twirled. Alliances were tested, trust misplaced, and once again

863
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: we're left with a cliffhanger. Join us next time as

864
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: we continue our journey through season four of Traders, a

865
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: show in which, as Shakespeare said his Scottish play, fad

866
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: is foul and foul is fad

867
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: Mhm