1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: This is the Draft Prospect Review podcast on Patriots dot 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Com Radio. Welcome to the NFL Draft. The Draft Prospect 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Review Podcast is your source for all the latest news 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: and information on the NFL Draft. The New England Patriots 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: like now here to preview the defensive lineman. The writers 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: of Patriots dot Com All right, we're back for another 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: draft podcast preview and we're ready to tackle the defense. 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: You have to tackle on defense, That's what you have 9 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: to do. The goal meticia see, the goal on defense 10 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: is to tackle the guy with the ball. So we're 11 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: gonna tackle some of the prospects. Will start up front 12 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: with the defensive line, and obviously a lot of different 13 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: kinds of players. You have big, run stuffing defensive tackles, 14 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: you have smaller, angular, athletic defensive end edge kind of guys. 15 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: So a lot of different categories to fall in. But 16 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start on the edge, mainly because that's the 17 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: top of the draft class. I mean, I think most 18 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: people feel like there's at least two that probably fall 19 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: on the top five with with Aidan Hutchinson in Cavon Thibodeaux. 20 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: I'll start with Matisse Ballman, who again is with us 21 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: for another draft Draft podcast preview teas, Which one of 22 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: those two guys did you like the most. You're gonna 23 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: talk about both of them, but I want to know 24 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: which one you like the most. I like Hutchinson. I mean, 25 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: he's a monster. Reminds me of both. Hey, he got 26 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: a nominated for the Heisman as a defensive player, which 27 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: is like the first time and forever that's happened. And 28 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: fourteen sacks school record when he was double teams most 29 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: of the year. So I mean, I think he stands 30 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: out the most. And Thibodeau, what did you not like 31 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: about him? Evidently I'm the only one that likes I 32 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: like Thibodeaux, but he seems uh, I know, he's more 33 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: of a bull rusher. I mean, sorry, Hutchinson, more of 34 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: a bull rusher. I think Thibodeaux he can drop into 35 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: I would agree with that speed around the corner. That's 36 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: what I thought. If you're an edge player, I want 37 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: to see some sacks. Yeah, well, you know, get to 38 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: the quarterback. Yeah. I mean my guy I think has 39 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: the higher upside, but he also has motor issues and 40 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: he doesn't play hard all the time. And Tibodau, I'm 41 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: talking about um that's not good. You know, you're when 42 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: you're when you're not playing hard all the time in college. 43 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: Why am I going to give you thirty million dollars 44 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: and expect you to play hard all the time in 45 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: the pros? So I think I think there is a 46 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: higher ceiling there, but I'm not positive that, you know, 47 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: I would feel all that comfortable. It doesn't matter if 48 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: we really for the Patriots, because I think both of 49 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: these guys are at worst top ten, probably top five. Yeah, 50 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: and uh, you know a guy that I would throw 51 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: in there, and he's a little bit different, but but 52 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: Travell and Walker from Georgia, who has just been one 53 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: of the fastest risers, I think the start of the process. 54 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: He you know, a lot of mock drafts have him 55 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: in the second round somewhere. He tested out of the building. 56 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: I just I when I look at Trayvon Walker, he's 57 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: a guy that screams Patriots to me, just because he 58 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: can do so much. You do have a little bit 59 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: of a worry that he's one of those workout warriors. 60 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: He looks the party tests really well. Is it going 61 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: to translate to the field. I'm not sure that they 62 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: knew quite you know how to use him and employ 63 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: him in Georgia. But from what I see, he's just 64 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: a tough, tough football player. I think it's kind of 65 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: what the Patriots need, you know. I think they need 66 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: kind of a presence in the front seven, and Walker 67 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: is probably gonna be long gone. I mean I saw 68 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: a mock draft today where he went first overall. Um, 69 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: but I think in this Patriot system they could move 70 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 1: him and play him in any number of you a 71 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: mock draft that Walker went first overall? Yeah, today, just today. 72 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: I know, Well, anybody, anyone can do a mock draft. 73 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, it wasn't I haven't seen that at all, 74 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: but not that I but I've seen him. I see 75 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: I've seen him sniffing sniff in the top five and 76 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: then oh yeah based on guy yeah, but uh, you know, 77 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: he's he's just a one that's a little bit different 78 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: than than those guys who were kind of pure edge rushers. 79 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: And then you know, just to then tie it kind 80 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: of into Jermy Johnson, I think maybe a little bit 81 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: more of that traditional you know, edge kind of like 82 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: Jeremy Johnson. Him very fast, He's not not scared to 83 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: get into contact with the lineman and you know he'll 84 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: he'll chase you down in the backfield. Yeah. And you 85 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: know there's a couple of big ten guys too that 86 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,839 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about for different reasons. What helped 87 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: me out with the pronun I lost Collaptist right from Purdue, 88 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: George Colloptus Collaptus M. I think of him like Hutchinson. 89 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: I think he's a good, really good college football player, 90 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: works really hard. I just look and I wonder how 91 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: when I watched both of those guys, how close they 92 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: are to max out. Yeah, I think that they play 93 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: really hard all the time. Ryan Kerrigan a little bit that, 94 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'll take Ryan Kerrigan. I mean, I you know, 95 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: in fairness, I probably thought similarly of Ryan Kerrigan coming 96 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: out that, you know, a Wisconsin guy like kind of 97 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: looks like he's playing with his hair on fire all 98 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: the time. And do you have another gear to go 99 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: to as a pro? And he did, And Ryan Kerrigan's 100 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: had a terrific career so uh in the other one 101 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: is from Michigan. Uh, Hutchinson's teammate a job and just 102 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: a terrible situation with him going down to this pro day. Um, 103 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: you know, with a significant injury. I'm curious to see 104 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: how that will impact is I mean, it's gonna definitely 105 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: impact his draft status, but how much. Um, he was 106 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: a guy that a lot of people felt was the 107 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: first round pick two, and now it probably doesn't look 108 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: like that's going to be the case. Since you're an 109 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: expert in all the mocks, Mike, where where has he 110 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: fallen out of the first round? Now? I mean I 111 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: think probably, But I mean he certainly has the size. 112 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: I mean six four, two fifty. I mean that's you 113 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: know that that's the Patriots size that they look for. 114 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: And I think this is, you know, a big need. 115 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: I really do. I wish that there was more of 116 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: a sweet spot kind of at twenty one. It feels 117 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: like they're kind of in no man's land with some 118 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: of these guys with that pick. I feel like a 119 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: lot of these guys are probably going to go in 120 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: the teens, but you know, a lot to like, how 121 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: are they going to go? What direction? I think that's 122 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: the tough thing with you know, three to four guys 123 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: standing up hand down. I mean we've been talking about 124 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: how fluid the edge position is generally and even more 125 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: so for the Patriots based on you know, you had 126 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: guys last year Kyle van noy Dante High Tower think 127 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: when the Patriots defense was playing well, those guys were 128 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: kind of leading the way and they're probably not going 129 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: to be back now, so I think you need some 130 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: some new presence on the edge. I know we've talked 131 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: about a lot of the top guys, but you know, 132 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: just a couple of low round guys that I liked. 133 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: Drake Jackson from usc who I think is kind of 134 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: a potential guy. He seems like he's one of those 135 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: hair on fire but hasn't quite grown into his body 136 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: just yet. I know William mc ginniss has known him 137 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: for a while, so that kind of picked my radar 138 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: a little bit. But him and then the other one 139 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: is Josh Pascal from Kentucky, who I kind of see 140 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: like a poor man's Trayvon Walker. He kind of he's 141 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: not as good, he's not as physically imposing as him, 142 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: but they used him in a similar kind of way, 143 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: and just a tough, kind of brute front seven guy 144 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: that you can kind of move around. I enjoyed. I 145 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: kind of stumbled on him late in the process, but 146 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: I think he's kind of intriguing one of those Day 147 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: two guys that that intrigued me a little bit, just 148 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: first play style and versatility, any of those other guys 149 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: maybe in the middle rounds taste that caught your eye. Um, well, 150 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: could you consider boy a Mofe as a edge rusher? 151 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: It's he more of just a straight up line back. Yeah, yeah, 152 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: he has the measurables to be Yeah. I mean he's 153 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: quick off the line too. He's played in the four 154 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: three bass I think he played three four also, so 155 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: I think he'd be an interesting player to take. So 156 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: another Big ten guy. So you know, there's a handful 157 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: of those edge kind of guys in the Big ten. 158 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: Now the Patriots have have gone in that direction. The 159 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: reason I bring up the Big ten they you know, 160 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: a couple of Michigan guys in Winnovich and Uch that 161 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: are sort of in that mold. And I would say, 162 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously they've moved on already from Winnovich Ouch 163 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: entering year three still as yet to you know, really 164 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: establish himself in a role. I'd be curious to see 165 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: if they go back into that. Um, you know that 166 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: pool of players, not not just Michigan, but Big ten 167 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: in general, I'm a little bit I'm a little bit 168 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: gunshy with the Michigan guys. I mean it's just, you know, 169 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: we haven't gotten much returns yet from what they've taken. 170 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: I agree, that's why it's it's it's you. I'm always 171 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: concerned about something, yeah, and it's you know, and especially 172 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: with a guy like Ouch where didn't really have a 173 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: natural college position that translated the pros and I think 174 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: they're still searching for it. I think you need guys 175 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: now that can come in and play right away and 176 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: you kind of know what they can do, uh to, 177 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, and you can play at the NFL level. 178 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: I don't think there's time right now for more projects 179 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: and try to figure it out for a couple of years, 180 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: all right. I also want to talk a little bit 181 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: about Mike's bread and butter. Yeah, at least this is 182 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: what you and I do know. Just be quiet. Let 183 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: we grab our diapepsies and we leave Mike to himself. 184 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: The defensive tackles. Patriots have had a bitch of a 185 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: time stopping the run the last I would say, at 186 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: least three seasons now, and they've not for a lack 187 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: of trying. They've devoted some resources to it, they devoted 188 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: some money last year in free agency to it. Still 189 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be fixed. So I do think a 190 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: run stuffing defensive tackle wouldn't be out of the realm 191 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: of possibility at twenty one. If that is the case, 192 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: I know, you know, Jordan Davis is a guy that 193 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: everybody talks about. But Mike, at twenty one, is there 194 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: a guy that you sort of think has a chance 195 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,599 Speaker 1: to be there that the Patriots could be interested in. 196 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: I mean, before before the Combine, I might have said 197 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: Jordan Davis. But I think after the combine, with the 198 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: way he tested as a one of those Bill Parcels 199 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: Planet players, I think he might might be gone. But 200 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: certainly would he look good sitting next to Christian Barmore 201 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: as a kind of complimentary piece. Absolutely, um. But I 202 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: think my thing right now is I look at Tah 203 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: and I look at you know, at Josh Allen in Buffalo, 204 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: and I think those are the focal points. And when 205 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 1: you ask yourself, yeah, is Jordan Davis going to be 206 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: a three down guy that really helps you against the Probably? 207 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: But I think I I look now more at trying 208 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: to find speed around the Edges. I think you can 209 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: find big guys on annopoul. This must be surprising for 210 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: you to hear that I'm not all in on a 211 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: d tackle at twenty one. Um, well, it's nice that 212 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: you're talking like the rest of the grown ups at 213 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 1: the table. But but, but I but I certainly like him. 214 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 1: You know, Davante Wyatt another one from Georgia who I 215 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: think is a little bit more like Barmore and more 216 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: of a penis. So I don't know if you guys 217 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: have noticed a pattern, but Georgia won the national title, 218 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: and there are a lot of good players from Geordan, 219 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: especially on defense. You're gonna be talking about a lot 220 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: of those guys over the next you know, three four 221 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: podcasts that we do here. Yeah, I think why it 222 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: was you know, a little bit more like Barmore. But 223 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: I think he's a guy who's in that twenty range 224 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: that that would probably go, you know. And then after that, 225 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: I think Travis Jones from Yukon is probably in the mix, 226 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 1: and I think he's maybe a guy that if you 227 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 1: don't look at twenty one, I think, you know, day two, 228 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't hate that pick. I just I 229 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: think edge is a little bit more of a big, 230 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: bigger need. I think he can find these big guys. 231 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: But I really did like Travis Jones. He fits all 232 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: the measurables of that kind of interior space heater that 233 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: they like. I agree a lot with Mike Tis because 234 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: even though Mike puts more emphasis on the position itself, 235 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: I feel like unless you can get, you know, a 236 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: special kind of player like an Aaron Donald. I'm not 237 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: saying it has to be Aaron Donald, but that level, 238 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: you know, that level of all around play dominance, like 239 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: he's going to impact the game at multiple levels. You 240 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: can get a defensive tackle later on, like you don't 241 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: have to do it at in the first round. If 242 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: he's just like a run stuffer or maybe just a 243 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: situation the pocket collapser. I think you can get good 244 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: players later. I mean Christian Barmore is you know the 245 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: second now, Christian Barmore probably was a first round pick 246 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: if not for one of the questions about his work, 247 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: ethic and whatnot at Alabama, and he went very early 248 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: in the second round. It's not like he slipped, but 249 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: I feel like there's a need there. But I agree 250 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: with Mike. I'd be surprised if the Patriots went went 251 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: there at twenty one. Maybe a day two guy or 252 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: two tists that stood out to you. I like the 253 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: Haskell Garrett and I think he'd definitely be a mid 254 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: round guys from Ohio State. Has the ability to push 255 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: the pocket. I mean making noise on Ohio State. It's 256 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: not easy to do. So yeah, good h I'll throw 257 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: a couple in the mix. M John Ridgeway from Arkansas. 258 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: He just looked like Lawrence guy. I mean maybe a 259 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: little bit bigger, but you know, big tough guy. I 260 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: mean he just he looks the part completely. And then 261 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: another one I think you gotta keep on the radar 262 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: is Federia. Mathis from Alabama. Of course Alabama, but I 263 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: think he's one of those value you mid round kind 264 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: of picks that obviously he comes from from Crimson Tide, 265 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: we know that they're well aware of him. But character 266 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: space eater, um, you know, he's he's that kind of 267 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: guy too, that that instead of having a reach in 268 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: those first you know round or two of the draft, 269 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: he can maybe get a guy that that that plays 270 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: the way you want in the in the later rounds. Yeah, 271 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: a little smaller, but for the same reasons that you 272 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: just spent. Perry and Winfrey from Oklahoma. You know, these 273 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: are the programs that I think Bill looks at. And 274 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we all know about Alabama, but he 275 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: does seem like he's had a few Michigans, He's had 276 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: a few Oklahomas. There's some of these coaches I think 277 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: he feels more comfortable with than others, and he tends 278 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: to lean on some of those guys. And it'll be 279 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: interesting to see. Now, um, you know, Oklahoma is going 280 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: to be losing Lincoln Riley, so be interesting to see 281 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: if they maybe tap into that one more time, or 282 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 1: they go to USC start taking those start going out west. Absolutely, 283 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: I saw Winfrey. I liked him hard pursuit, and I 284 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: may a little bit of Wyatt, similar kind of upfield, 285 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: get off the ball, go get the ball. That that 286 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: kind of guy. Did you have Matthew Butler from Tennessee 287 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: at all m He's pretty good. I think it's funny though, 288 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: because we always say Alabama, but for Butler it's, Oh, 289 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: he had very good tape against Alabama. So if you're 290 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: able to make an impact against Alabama, you're going to 291 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: get noticed. So maybe by accident and Osmosis Bill looks 292 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: at that, looks in that direction. But yeah, again another 293 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: position where we could see the Patriots tapping into. But 294 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: we have some more to go, and I think our 295 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: next podcast that will do you know with linebackers could 296 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: be one that we might see a little bit more of. 297 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: So we'll put a rap on the defensive line. We're 298 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: moving our way quickly through the defense. Thank you for 299 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: downloading this podcast. Subscribe on Apple, Google Play, and everywhere 300 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: else you listen. Like the show, please rate and review us. 301 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 1: Listener comments and ratings don't keep us high in the 302 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: podcast rankings, so new listeners can find us. 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