Speaker 1: You can't be from Texas. And I know about Tim
Speaker 1: Hardaway man the Texas two step. He was big growing
Speaker 1: up for me, you know, to see the cross over,
Speaker 1: to see the player.
Speaker 2: He grew up to be.
Speaker 1: The shoes and everything coming out of Texas was me
Speaker 1: shoe mean shoe game. If you didn't know about the
Speaker 1: shoes and you didn't go wearing Pro wings or something,
Speaker 1: but I was wearing Pro Wings. Yeah I did too,
Speaker 1: but that's before Tim Hardaway. When Tim Hardaway came out,
Speaker 1: we could buy shoot, we had we had a.
Speaker 2: Live not over here yet.
Speaker 3: Oh, I probably know what I used to do, Jack,
Speaker 3: No bullshit is I used.
Speaker 4: To get one good pair of shoes when I started
Speaker 4: getting air Maxes, maybe like ninety to one hundred and ten,
Speaker 4: and every two months I popped the aar sole take
Speaker 4: them hose back.
Speaker 3: So I had probably four pairs during your school year.
Speaker 2: So you were super intelligent. I had to I played
Speaker 2: warm to warm to the block.
Speaker 1: I did everyone everywhere one pair of shoes, and today
Speaker 1: was I had one pair for like four years.
Speaker 4: Du just didn't discuss it now, but I think it
Speaker 4: was obviously dope. I mean, we got, you know, be
Speaker 4: third to run TMC. Yes, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: all we need is money. Quit dodgy, But I actually
Speaker 4: motherly hasn't been dodged. I've seen Molley when I was
Speaker 4: working with the Kings and he was where Golden State
Speaker 4: because we in the Bay, we had the same work area.
Speaker 3: So he definitely said he wants to come on the show.
Speaker 4: So we definitely got to get Chris Mullen, Yes, sir,
Speaker 4: but to have Tim Hardaway, you know what he meant
Speaker 4: in college with the what he meant with the crossover
Speaker 4: run TMC.
Speaker 3: You know him talking about his son.
Speaker 4: You know, we're both dads with you know, kids at
Speaker 4: hoop and what it was like having to watch his
Speaker 4: son sit on the bench during the finals and getting
Speaker 4: a fresh start to Detroit now.
Speaker 3: So really excited about him.
Speaker 4: I wish we had more time with him, but almost
Speaker 4: felt like we almost had to rush him a little
Speaker 4: bit because.
Speaker 3: Sir Oscar was sitting on.
Speaker 4: There was a couple of questions I wanted to ask Tim,
Speaker 4: like who were his toughest point guard matchups and everything,
Speaker 4: But man, I think for the most part, yes, a
Speaker 4: la if it happened, But I think for the most part, man,
Speaker 4: we got a lot out of him. He had a
Speaker 4: good time. Man, I'm looking for you guys checking this
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Speaker 4: We're out here in La right now. One of my
Speaker 4: all time favorite players. Someone we've been trying to chase
Speaker 4: down for a minute. I grew up here in a
Speaker 4: lot of bottom growing up in Texas. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: five time NBA All Star, five time All NBA, one
Speaker 4: of the originators of the crossover being Shy Town Hall
Speaker 4: of Famer, Ship Talker, Sun God Game. But we're talking
Speaker 4: to Pops today, man, Welcome to the show. Tim Hardaway,
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 5: It's been a minute. You know, we've been trying to
Speaker 5: get together. Time have been right.
Speaker 2: Yes, I bumped in to you the air for we
Speaker 2: we talked about it. Yeah, you like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're gonna come in like yeah, we're trying to
Speaker 5: make it happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So how's life?
Speaker 4: I seen you out here. You are your runner, you
Speaker 4: run around the track still. I see you out here
Speaker 4: keeping your cardio up and your health right.
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 5: I gotta keep mccardi r right. Kendall Gill, Chicago guy.
Speaker 5: He implemented sixty forty things from his lou Hiss and
Speaker 5: god Rich his soul from Illinois. They used to do
Speaker 5: that right before they went into the n C Douba tournament.
Speaker 5: And it's you run sixty jog forty and it's a
Speaker 5: continuous run and it's a real nice workout, and you
Speaker 5: do it on turf. You don't do it. You're on
Speaker 5: your knee, cap oh, weight on your hibs, your kneecap,
Speaker 5: your back, everything. So you know, it's a good way
Speaker 5: of staying shape.
Speaker 2: Kender Gill, he's still boxing. He can go twelve rounds.
Speaker 5: Right now, right now, right now, right.
Speaker 3: I heard he was always ultimate shape fighter.
Speaker 4: Your family almost got a ring last season. Yes, Junior
Speaker 4: was with Dallas. I want to talk to because we
Speaker 4: were talking about before you came in. He went from
Speaker 4: someone they paid that was playing a lot and then
Speaker 4: all of a sudden just wasn't playing no more. And
Speaker 4: you said a few things as a father, and I'm
Speaker 4: a father of kids who play, so I know how
Speaker 4: that gets. What was first of all as a father
Speaker 4: with a son in the game, what was it like
Speaker 4: trying to just keep his mental into it And what
Speaker 4: were those conversations like during that time where he should
Speaker 4: have been out there and just wasn't.
Speaker 5: I said, it's tough, first of all, as a pops.
Speaker 5: Is tough knowing that your son is supposed to be
Speaker 5: out there and you can help the team win. He
Speaker 5: knowing that he can help the team win, but for
Speaker 5: some reason, they're not telling nobody Jason Kidd Nico are
Speaker 5: not telling nobody why he's not playing. What's the deal?
Speaker 5: And that's the hard part. If a you know, if
Speaker 5: a coach come to you, or if a general man
Speaker 5: is coming to you and say, hey, this the reason
Speaker 5: why I'm not playing you. I said, we could take that,
Speaker 5: we grown men, and we could take that, but it's
Speaker 5: disrespectful to me as I played with you on the
Speaker 5: two thousand Olympic team. We got gold together, win Hall
Speaker 5: of Fame together, we all in its fraternity together, and
Speaker 5: you are coaching my son and you don't have the dignit,
Speaker 5: dignity to go to my son and just have him
Speaker 5: in the room and talk to him and just say, hey,
Speaker 5: this x y Z that's why I'm not playing, and
Speaker 5: we could with that. I'm just saying, you know, that's
Speaker 5: just disrespect to me and my son. But I told
Speaker 5: my son, I said, hey, I understand what you're going through.
Speaker 5: I could see it in your face. Just root for
Speaker 5: your teammates, be professional, be professional about it. Keep doing
Speaker 5: what you're supposed to do in practice because you never
Speaker 5: know when your number might be called. But another thing,
Speaker 5: you know, I won't say. I won't say this. People
Speaker 5: say when he gets in the game, he's supposed to
Speaker 5: shoot the ball, he's supposed to make shots. You both
Speaker 5: know rhythm. It's rhythm. Rhythm, it's rhythm. If you don't
Speaker 5: get the ball three four, five minutes, you just playing defense.
Speaker 5: When you when you get the ball, you gotta get
Speaker 5: your rhythm together.
Speaker 2: I don't need to cut you off.
Speaker 1: For those that don't know, though, when coaches don't want
Speaker 1: to play on their team or when they want it,
Speaker 1: they trying to ship a guy, the person they do
Speaker 1: is throw them and throw him in garbage minutes. When
Speaker 1: They know he don't have enough time taxi show what
Speaker 1: he can do, so he looks bad in those five
Speaker 1: those five minutes, so that gives the team the reason
Speaker 1: to trade them. That they do that on purpose. They've
Speaker 1: done it to Alla Night, that to a lot of stars.
Speaker 1: So a lot of y'all don't know that. They put
Speaker 1: you into garbage time because they know you're a rhythm
Speaker 1: guy and want They know you don't want to go
Speaker 1: in at all, so you look bad and that gives
Speaker 1: them the incentive to trade you.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, when you're just sitting in the corner, you
Speaker 5: just go sit in the corner. I know Luca bad
Speaker 5: boy one on one, he's a bad man. But if
Speaker 5: like how howser from the Celtics when he comes in,
Speaker 5: what do the Celtics find it? They we run an
Speaker 5: offense for you right away, right now, right now, right now.
Speaker 5: They run in place for Clay right now, right now,
Speaker 5: right now. And I hope they do run place for
Speaker 5: Clay this year. You know, it's all up to Luca,
Speaker 5: because Luca running the whole show there, you know. So
Speaker 5: if you don't run offense, your guys are just gonna
Speaker 5: stand there and it's and it's gonna be problems. It's
Speaker 5: gonna be problems and people you're not in rhythm. So
Speaker 5: when when they was talking about my son not playing
Speaker 5: and he coming in and he not shooting the ball, well,
Speaker 5: first of all, you got to get the ball. You
Speaker 5: gotta get the ball. First of all, you gotta have
Speaker 5: somebody says some picks for you. You gotta you gotta
Speaker 5: run some offense for me. And then another thing is
Speaker 5: you got to get in the game. If you're not
Speaker 5: in the game, you can't shoot, you can't play. So
Speaker 5: so so it was frustrating for him to understand, to
Speaker 5: know that he could go out there and help the team,
Speaker 5: but for some reason, he didn't play. So I had to.
Speaker 5: I had to talk to him. I was dead, talking
Speaker 5: to him, I was dead, consoling him I was dead,
Speaker 5: just like a father's supposed to be, and making him
Speaker 5: understand it's gonna be alright. It's better days to come.
Speaker 4: So new chapter now for him and Detroit. Yes, a
Speaker 4: team that hasn't played well. They got a new coach,
Speaker 4: jb a friend of the program hoops and and expectations
Speaker 4: for him this year to kind of find his rhythm again. Yeah, try,
Speaker 4: He's still younger.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he turned in what he'll be thirty three next
Speaker 5: year already already, Man, they've been heavier than my way heavier.
Speaker 4: And when you think about that, I mean obviously first bout,
Speaker 4: Hall of Famer, All Star, All NBA, and just where
Speaker 4: the money is today for players.
Speaker 5: I talked to a lot of former players when I
Speaker 5: was playing. They would be like, I would give up
Speaker 5: my rings to make the money. That's when we was
Speaker 5: making the money that we was making, you know, like
Speaker 5: four or five million dollars here in there. But I
Speaker 5: just think, you know, they set the stage for us,
Speaker 5: you know Magic, you know, Bob Coosey, who else, Rick Barry,
Speaker 5: those guys set the stage for us, Bob McAdoo, you know.
Speaker 5: So it's it's when I am talking, you know, it
Speaker 5: frustrates them, but they got to understand that era was
Speaker 5: that era, and what David S. Thurn did was turned
Speaker 5: everything around and made it globally. And when it went global,
Speaker 5: everything is everything now and social media.
Speaker 2: You know, if.
Speaker 5: Socbody's a brand now, Yes, everybody's a brand now. And
Speaker 5: when I see the older players that played before us,
Speaker 5: I always give them homage, you know, I always talk
Speaker 5: to them, always and the young guys. You know, a
Speaker 5: lot of these young guys don't know these guys and
Speaker 5: they need to, you know, like Anthony Edwards, you need
Speaker 5: to know these guys.
Speaker 4: What kind of seems like. And I got kids that are,
Speaker 4: you know, fifteen, about to be sixteen. It seems like
Speaker 4: this generation of maybe twenty five and younger don't I
Speaker 4: wouldn't say they don't respect like this. Maybe there's just
Speaker 4: so much other shit going on that they don't know
Speaker 4: the history of what was before them.
Speaker 5: It's not not respect. Yeah, they they just got other ship.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of stuff that matters, yeah to them. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, you know, but but you're right, you're right
Speaker 5: about that. And a lot of these a lot of
Speaker 5: these kids need to brush up. Like you say, all right,
Speaker 5: go look up Tim Martin or or go look up
Speaker 5: Stephen Jackson. All right, go look up Mac Brown's go
Speaker 5: look up out of side? Out of mind? How can
Speaker 5: we don't talk about Coley? How come we don't talk
Speaker 5: about Kobe the way we should talk about Cooby Kobe
Speaker 5: was alive. We'll be talking about Kobe every day every day.
Speaker 5: But I say, out of side, out of mind? They
Speaker 5: everybody just skip over him.
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't let him go crazy.
Speaker 3: I don't either.
Speaker 5: I don't either. Wait, we're missing a guy Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 5: They'd be like, oh yeah, I'm.
Speaker 4: Like see, well, you know what's funny is that what
Speaker 4: I what we found is people that played with or
Speaker 4: against them don't miss him or or don't or do
Speaker 4: speak about him. But it's I think against the media
Speaker 4: that never played and all these people who are experts
Speaker 4: in the game have bron jumping over everybody and right.
Speaker 3: Up in that same colley, And that's not what that's
Speaker 3: what we all do.
Speaker 4: Respect to brout it incredible, yes, but I feel like
Speaker 4: obviously there was a pecking order, and it always seems
Speaker 4: like guys that played with or against Cobe have cob
Speaker 4: at the top of the mountain as well.
Speaker 1: Young you're just playing right now, Yeah, ask them. They
Speaker 1: COVID at the top of SGA, all of them COVID
Speaker 1: at the top of the list.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about uh.
Speaker 1: Your Miami Heat, Miami Boys right now. Y'all finished the
Speaker 1: season off with a kind of rocky rough press conference.
Speaker 1: The Godfather came out and you know, put his foot
Speaker 1: down win going for this ship. This is my show,
Speaker 1: and whoever gonna be here gonna be because I say
Speaker 1: so kinda.
Speaker 6: You know, for him to say that, you know, I thought,
Speaker 6: is that Jimmy trolling? Or is that Jimmy serious? You know,
Speaker 6: if you're not on the court playing against Boston, around
Speaker 6: the court playing against the New York next, you should
Speaker 6: keep your mouth shut and your criticism of those things.
Speaker 2: What you think about that?
Speaker 5: I was I was waiting on that. I was waiting
Speaker 5: on that. I knew something was gonna happen, I said,
Speaker 5: I told some people, I said, pack on Talk this year,
Speaker 5: pack On Talk this year especially. You know, he's tired
Speaker 5: of a lot of things that's going on with the team.
Speaker 5: He's tired of Jimmy.
Speaker 2: Butler Well and Tyler Hero too. Like he's been.
Speaker 1: He's been babying you and making you everybody was talking
Speaker 1: about you the next He's been babying Tyler Hero for
Speaker 1: a minute, and he just staying her.
Speaker 2: He ain't showed up yet either. But I think it's
Speaker 2: I think you were talking to him and Jimmy.
Speaker 5: More so, if Jimmy didn't say nothing, you know about
Speaker 5: other teams and you're not playing, you know, it would
Speaker 5: have been all right, but when you came out and
Speaker 5: say that, yeah, he's probably talking about both of them,
Speaker 5: but I think he really Yeah directly, Yo, dude, you
Speaker 5: haven't played in a lot of games this year, last year,
Speaker 5: and especially in the playoffs. I need you to play
Speaker 5: in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: And I need you.
Speaker 5: I don't I don't if you play. If you play
Speaker 5: more than seventy games, we wouldn't be in to playing
Speaker 5: games two years in a row. All right, I need
Speaker 5: you to play. And that's where you need to take
Speaker 5: care of your body. You need to be in this gym.
Speaker 5: Take care of your body. Not the gym, but the
Speaker 5: weight room. Take care of your body and getting yourself straight.
Speaker 5: And I was waiting on that, and we all understood
Speaker 5: all my AMMI heat people understood where pat Rowley was
Speaker 5: coming from. And you see what they didn't do. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we're gonna wait. Yeah, they taking the Jerry Jones approach.
Speaker 5: We're gonna wait.
Speaker 1: Well, both of y'all. I want to ask both of
Speaker 1: your aspects. Man, you're around the kids a lot too,
Speaker 1: and they have so much access to so many different
Speaker 1: things to keep their bodies. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Ready to play on the court.
Speaker 2: Why they missing so many games today, and not just
Speaker 2: the NBA. I'm talking about all over. Even my son
Speaker 2: in high school.
Speaker 1: They said, baby, because they're playing a lot of basketball
Speaker 1: that could be but not in the NBA.
Speaker 5: You're not in the NBA. You're not playing that much,
Speaker 5: and you're not practicing that much, right, practice, right, you know?
Speaker 5: And like like like stan Van Gundy said, and a
Speaker 5: great coach, and I love his commentary on TV too,
Speaker 5: but he say, if you if you repetition your body
Speaker 5: and position your body to play and condition your body
Speaker 5: to play eighty two games, most people that played two
Speaker 5: games don't get hurt.
Speaker 4: Well, you got to think, I mean definitely when you
Speaker 4: came in a while we came in, it was a
Speaker 4: badger honored to play eighty two d you wanted to
Speaker 4: play honor.
Speaker 5: It's like you got a reward by right, yes, and
Speaker 5: didn't but you was out there eighty two games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And Jimmy tough, Jimmy one of the toughest guys that
Speaker 1: I've known in the league that it just sucks to
Speaker 1: he will miss so many games that important to that team.
Speaker 2: Very important.
Speaker 5: He's very important to that team. And if he played
Speaker 5: seventy two games, seventy five games. It's a totally different team.
Speaker 2: Question.
Speaker 4: I got a question though, because you were someone who
Speaker 4: had your career and then went into coaching and you
Speaker 4: kind of obviously every generation, the area ever is different.
Speaker 4: What is the difference between the players today and maybe
Speaker 4: the players how they were when y'all played and then
Speaker 4: kind of towards the end of your career and we
Speaker 4: were coming in.
Speaker 5: We had basketball IQ. We understood basketball, We paid attention
Speaker 5: to details, we wanted it, we understood what it took
Speaker 5: to win. We put in the work to win. It
Speaker 5: wasn't fake work. Some guys out there fake working because
Speaker 5: they got to be out there and the camera on
Speaker 5: and the camera on. You know, ah, you could you
Speaker 5: could really look in their face and see if they
Speaker 5: want to be out there, you know, like we wanted
Speaker 5: to be out there. When we came out there, we
Speaker 5: had a face on our face like yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 5: gonna be on right here when we come out, y'all,
Speaker 5: people come out to shoot, and when they times to shoot, yeah,
Speaker 5: we're not hugging a baby, We're not kissing this person,
Speaker 5: We're not doing this, We're not doing that. We come
Speaker 5: now here and we shooting a basketball. We our mind
Speaker 5: is ready to play the game of basketball. We have
Speaker 5: a job to do.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: This ain't fun time. This is basketball time. This is
Speaker 5: our job. This is our work, you know. And that's
Speaker 5: what it was about today. It's about hey, you know,
Speaker 5: kissing babies here like you want to be the pressure
Speaker 5: about like like Chouncey Bill said, he said, somebody at
Speaker 5: halftime he ran in there and looking at it and
Speaker 5: posted his stuff at halftime the dunk yeah posted dunk
Speaker 5: said what.
Speaker 3: Are you doing?
Speaker 7: Man?
Speaker 5: Your mind is supposed to be in a game that
Speaker 5: was getting blown out to see what I'm saying, saying, yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean but right, Yeah, I would have said, you
Speaker 5: gotta stay if you want to be back here, you
Speaker 5: stay back here. You can't even come out to the bench.
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 5: That's that's what That's what today's game is. But when
Speaker 5: we played, we we had we had an attitude m.
Speaker 2: Hm meant something.
Speaker 4: And you could be you could be cool just after
Speaker 4: the game, right after the game, not during the game.
Speaker 4: You might fight when your homeboys during the game and
Speaker 4: then drink a beer with him after that exactly.
Speaker 5: That's the way it was.
Speaker 4: I would say, these kids are skilled as a motherfucker though.
Speaker 4: I just think the skill level is higher than it's
Speaker 4: ever been.
Speaker 3: I just think the i Q.
Speaker 4: Playing without the ball, off the ball, understanding pick and rolls,
Speaker 4: how to get off when you don't have the ball
Speaker 4: in your hands. I think that's what a lot of
Speaker 4: these kids and NBA players like these days past.
Speaker 5: Just staying right while you're standing. You're not going to
Speaker 5: get the ball back. You know, why don't you cut?
Speaker 5: Why don't you do something? But that's a lack of coaching. Coaching,
Speaker 5: coaching to this error.
Speaker 1: To explain the errors, is this eraror they worried about
Speaker 1: getting a bucket. We knew how to get somebody else
Speaker 1: as bucket, right, And.
Speaker 2: That says a lot. That says a lot.
Speaker 5: That's why I like watching Golden State. I like watching Ballston,
Speaker 5: you know, I like watching those teams because they move
Speaker 5: the ball energy, they find its energy is fine. The
Speaker 5: right person, you know, one past you might want to
Speaker 5: shoot and that man open right there. Here you go,
Speaker 5: no hesitation, I get you another one. That's where it's
Speaker 5: supposed to be.
Speaker 2: One thing I like about like coaches like Don Nels.
Speaker 2: We talked about and and Rick Carli.
Speaker 1: Those type of coaches that told me what they expected
Speaker 1: me suspected from me to the beginning of the season.
Speaker 1: So when the season went out started, I knew exactly
Speaker 1: what my job was. You was talking about that by
Speaker 1: Jay not having that conversation with your son. Suppose seems
Speaker 1: like he's that type of coach. Supposed most likely would
Speaker 1: be the coach for the nest Olympics here in LA
Speaker 1: and I think it deserves it. But from from from
Speaker 1: the outside looking in, give me a definition of coach
Speaker 1: Bowl and why he's so great. I mean, of course,
Speaker 1: coming up under Pat Rowley is makes it easy to
Speaker 1: have their education, but he had to stand on his
Speaker 1: own some way too personable.
Speaker 5: Yeah, somebody that you can connect to, Somebody that you
Speaker 5: can talk to on and off the court, an educator,
Speaker 5: somebody that's gonna watch film with you and go over
Speaker 5: your game. That's what he started in the film right right.
Speaker 5: And he started with Dwayne Wade. He said, let me
Speaker 5: help Dwayne Wade. That's what Dwayne Wade got a lot
Speaker 5: of his footwork from Dwayne was good, but you know,
Speaker 5: some of his footwork he needed to work on, and
Speaker 5: Eric exposure helped him out. With his footwork. That's when
Speaker 5: Pat Rowley got more confident with eric exposure. But it's
Speaker 5: all about communication and talking to the guys and looking
Speaker 5: at film. Spoke film guy. It's big on film, watching film,
Speaker 5: dissecting film. And when he he gonna show you, you know,
Speaker 5: little clips, not thirty forty fifty clips. He gonna give
Speaker 5: you about six seven clips. He's gonna give you four
Speaker 5: bad ones for a good ones, show you what you're
Speaker 5: doing wrong, what you need to correct, and we're gonna
Speaker 5: go in practice and correct it.
Speaker 7: And he a lot.
Speaker 5: So so you know, they don't let the guys in
Speaker 5: until the media in until after, you know, fifteen minutes
Speaker 5: after they right before the practice is open. But Spoe
Speaker 5: is actually out there working with guys on the court.
Speaker 5: On the court. He's hands on with the guys on
Speaker 5: the court.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you gotta do it this way. We chopping it up.
Speaker 5: And Pat used to be that like that too, you know, Pat,
Speaker 5: Pat was young in his days. So he's come out there,
Speaker 5: this is how we're gonna chop it up. This is
Speaker 5: how we're gonna move and he go into the movement
Speaker 5: of the defense and everything. So yeah, I'm just saying,
Speaker 5: you know, that's how you gotta be. And you got
Speaker 5: to talk to these guys. You gotta make him understand
Speaker 5: what you need from you. Gotta make him understand how
Speaker 5: you want them to play. And they and they would
Speaker 5: adhere to that. If you don't do that, they're in
Speaker 5: the water with sharks and don't know what to do.
Speaker 3: Just got gold in the Olympics.
Speaker 4: Yes, you played on the two thousand Olympic team was
Speaker 4: able to get gold as well. Talk to us about
Speaker 4: what that experience was like representing the country and remind
Speaker 4: us who was on that team.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 5: You know when you walk up and they give your
Speaker 5: jersey U s A on, you got a big smile
Speaker 5: on your face. You're like, damn all right. Now it's
Speaker 5: bigger than the Miami Heat, Golden State Warriors. So the
Speaker 5: Minnesota Timberwolves, this USA Kevin Garnet, Vince Carter, Alonzo, Morning,
Speaker 5: Gary Payton, a kid no on that team, Van Bacon
Speaker 5: and Toonio make dice Ray Allen.
Speaker 3: Vince dunked over by right over him.
Speaker 5: But I'm gonna tell you see a lot of people
Speaker 5: don't remember the most important play. We was down one
Speaker 5: and Antonio make dice went in for uh we were
Speaker 5: shooting a free throw and Antonio make dice. They put
Speaker 5: in and Tonio make dice. He went up there and
Speaker 5: he tipped in the ball. Guy box him out, but
Speaker 5: you know how strong an athletic, he kind of jumped
Speaker 5: over and tipped the ball in and we went up
Speaker 5: by one. I think it was Lithuania. But we went
Speaker 5: up by one and we had to go down and
Speaker 5: play defense and somebody missed a three, got the rebound
Speaker 5: and got it and we we won the game. But
Speaker 5: we was in jeopardy that game. And if if mctonia
Speaker 5: or mcdie didn't go in that game, we we would
Speaker 5: not have won that game. Well, no, he came.
Speaker 2: It came out the room.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no he didn't. It wasn't in the rim.
Speaker 5: He tipped it. He was supposed to be. It was
Speaker 5: a free throw. Somebody was supposed to box him out,
Speaker 5: and he tipped it in. He jumped over them and
Speaker 5: tipped it in. But you know ano. Another thing about
Speaker 5: fever roups. When we played in the nineties, it was fyscal,
Speaker 5: So it was easy for us to go there and play.
Speaker 5: When we these guys is they gotta get equipped for that.
Speaker 5: They gotta get ready for that because they're not used
Speaker 5: to that. There's no flopping it over there, you fall down.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I watched the Friends game, the women's in the men.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen that.
Speaker 5: They was like that, that's not a foul. This is
Speaker 5: this is this is Chicago, New York, l A. We
Speaker 5: out on the street, were on the street. Look when
Speaker 5: I call a foul, I call a foul. But other
Speaker 5: than that, you better play some basketball. That's what we
Speaker 5: gotta get acclimated to because we're not acclimated that. And
Speaker 5: once they go through that and get acclimated to it,
Speaker 5: then it'll be all right. But I mean, I mean,
Speaker 5: I mean, not Danny be all right. But we we okay.
Speaker 5: But you know, it's tough to go from what we're
Speaker 5: doing here.
Speaker 3: And not flag football to te football.
Speaker 2: Yeah, same thing, right to tackle football.
Speaker 5: That's kind of tough. It's tough. It's not easy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: There was recently a video with the debate about your
Speaker 4: crossover and ais crossover. Later you later came out and
Speaker 4: said the video was bullshit. But I mean, you're you're
Speaker 4: you tipped two step and then AI is hanging crossover.
Speaker 4: I want to talk to you, where did your move
Speaker 4: come from?
Speaker 5: Originally my move came from I practice. I practice. I practiced,
Speaker 5: and so when I when I asked a kid, I said,
Speaker 5: how come you can't go work out by yourself? He's like, well,
Speaker 5: you know it's too hot outside. Well you know, I don't.
Speaker 5: Then they'd be like, I don't know. I said, you
Speaker 5: don't want it, you don't want it? I said, I
Speaker 5: wanted it. I used to ride two miles, maybe a
Speaker 5: mile and a half, with no seat on my bike,
Speaker 5: put my ball in the frame, had two nets, get
Speaker 5: to the park, climb up on the rim, put my
Speaker 5: nets down, put on both sides, and I used to
Speaker 5: play my mind that I'm playing against somebody I want
Speaker 5: to kill. So if I'm playing against Isaiah Thomas, all right,
Speaker 5: or if I'm playing against you, or I'm playing against you,
Speaker 5: but y'all not in front of me, but I'm in
Speaker 5: my mind, I'm going at you full game speed. So
Speaker 5: a free throw line, have coret free throw line. I'm
Speaker 5: the first ten. I'm making layups. First ten's up back,
Speaker 5: I'm making laps. Then I'm shooting ten free throws. Then
Speaker 5: after that I'm shooting all floaters up and down but
Speaker 5: I'm doing moves and I'm crossing over and I you
Speaker 5: know what, I didn't know I had to cross. So
Speaker 5: I'm just out there dribbling. I'm just out there going
Speaker 5: through stuff. Because everybody say when I was, you know,
Speaker 5: coming up, that guy's betting you, that guy's betting you.
Speaker 5: You got to prove yourself. I always had to prove myself.
Speaker 5: So I work on my game because I wanted everybody
Speaker 5: to be wrong about me. And that's how you work
Speaker 5: on your game. You got to go out there and
Speaker 5: do it yourself.
Speaker 4: Creativity though everything, you just say, that's creativity out there
Speaker 4: playing one on one against nuts.
Speaker 5: So right, you know, on on. So when I when
Speaker 5: I came against you, I didn't done this so much.
Speaker 5: I've I've been playing in my mind. I've been playing you.
Speaker 5: So I do a move. It just was easy for me.
Speaker 4: How has the crossover evolved in these combinations of all
Speaker 4: that just a little bit of We talked about the
Speaker 4: skill level being, you know, as high as it's ever been.
Speaker 4: But how do you think the crossover has evolved?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 5: It evolved, Uh, tremendously. Everybody using it KD. You know,
Speaker 5: Anthony Edwards, of course you got uh, Chris Paul Kyrie,
Speaker 5: It's funny. I'm watching a game watching James Harden.
Speaker 3: He does it.
Speaker 5: He does it all the time. He does my crossover
Speaker 5: all the time and gets to the rim all the time.
Speaker 5: And I and I'm watching them. I said, they're going
Speaker 5: my crossover. And my wife be laughing, like I saw
Speaker 5: I rewind. She said, he showed did it? I said,
Speaker 5: I said, he does it all the time, but nobody
Speaker 5: speaks about it.
Speaker 2: You know, you was left right, he right left?
Speaker 5: No, I was, Yeah, I was left right, right, right,
Speaker 5: left exactly. So I see it all the time and
Speaker 5: I laugh. I'm like, he doing my crossover and he
Speaker 5: gets open every time every time. But you know, like
Speaker 5: I said, Chris Paul, of course, Steph. You know, and
Speaker 5: it's a lot of other ball players out there. I mean,
Speaker 5: I used to love watching my man do it. Uh uh.
Speaker 5: That's now with Charlotte Hornet as an assistant coach. Ah,
Speaker 5: I forget his name, but went to Ukon. He just retired, Yeah,
Speaker 5: just retired. Walk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got to take a second man, right, you know,
Speaker 3: the big goal in the house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how you doing, Thanks for coming by. Thanks, I
Speaker 2: get to tell.
Speaker 5: Yeah, big what's happening? Oh yeah, yeah, you know every
Speaker 5: time I see Archie Clark, he beats me down. You
Speaker 5: know your cross so well ship, the bar let you had,
Speaker 5: he was let you had heard heard no personal talking
Speaker 5: to University of Cincinnati and I'm walking and I see you.
Speaker 5: I said, it was like, I said, can you tell
Speaker 5: you a picture of me with the big It was like, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Go back to Chicago. Uh, you grew up in the gang,
Speaker 1: real the neighborhood. You said, there was nowhere to hide.
Speaker 1: You just had to figure it out and basically use
Speaker 1: your survival skills. How was growing up in Chicago?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 5: Man, it was very hard. A lot of people when
Speaker 5: I tell the story. You know of the gangs in Chicago.
Speaker 5: You know growing up in grammar school, you know high school,
Speaker 5: it was tough man Grammar school, right, elementary grammar school.
Speaker 5: You know, growing up in grammar school back in the seventies. Man,
Speaker 5: it was tough man aar Rookings, the black gangs, disciples. Uh,
Speaker 5: you know you seeing gang wars and gang fights and
Speaker 5: you got to fight to get to school, You got
Speaker 5: to fight get home from school. Something you running watch dressing? Man,
Speaker 5: I stopped wearing a hat like blue hat, red hat,
Speaker 5: walk straight. Yeah, you had to. You know, I got
Speaker 5: tired of just every time I'm fixing my hat so much.
Speaker 5: I was like, you know, I'm just gonna not wear hat.
Speaker 5: I'm just I'm just gonna wear a scully, a black scuff,
Speaker 5: you know, so nobody mess with me, you know. But yeah, man,
Speaker 5: you walk around. Man, you had you if you had
Speaker 5: your like this, they was like, oh, you see you
Speaker 5: walking down the street. People three or four guys coming
Speaker 5: off the bench. You just off the porch. You just
Speaker 5: turned back around and walk the other wind, go around,
Speaker 5: and then when you get towards where they can't see,
Speaker 5: you just start breaking and running and stuff. I mean,
Speaker 5: it was tough, man. It's about survival. It's about survival
Speaker 5: and knowing how to survive and knowing who your friends
Speaker 5: are and who wasn't your friends, who you can make, friends,
Speaker 5: who you can believe in and trust and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: So you know, once they and not my dad. You know,
Speaker 5: my dad was a playground legend, and everybody knew my
Speaker 5: dad and everybody knew his people. So once they knew
Speaker 5: who I was and I was his son, I became cool.
Speaker 5: Like now I'm off limits. So I was I was
Speaker 5: real cool because everybody knew my dad and his people,
Speaker 5: so it became kind of okay. Then I was cool.
Speaker 5: You know, I was walking around and I know that
Speaker 5: people are not gonna mess with me. I ain't gotta
Speaker 5: run all the time, you know, I don't have to
Speaker 5: fight all the time. So my dad was like six ' three.
Speaker 5: My dad said, there's no positions out there on the court.
Speaker 5: Go out there and play. Go out there and play.
Speaker 5: Go out there. If you if you got if you're
Speaker 5: on a big fella, you just gotta push him out.
Speaker 5: You gotta play tougher than him. You gotta out, You
Speaker 5: gotta box the mouth, you gotta rebound, and you gotta
Speaker 5: you just and he and he told me how to
Speaker 5: think the game. You gotta think the game. You gotta
Speaker 5: understand how to think the game. Our guess guy out
Speaker 5: think a guy you know, uh, you know, like Dennis
Speaker 5: Robins used to push you and then he pushed you again.
Speaker 5: You push him, He's not gonna do nothing. Then he
Speaker 5: gets strong and next thing you know, you push him again,
Speaker 5: he falls down.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: That's why I used to hate about John Stock. John
Speaker 5: Stock used to give me God my God, he used
Speaker 5: to give me at least two times a game. I'm like,
Speaker 5: we coming, we were bumping, and then he hit me.
Speaker 5: Now hit him back. He don't do nothing, and he
Speaker 5: hit me again. And then as soon as I get
Speaker 5: strong hereim he falls And referee say, you just gotta
Speaker 5: know how to play the game, That's all I mean.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean that's the way it is. You
Speaker 5: guys got to outthink your opponent.
Speaker 1: I credit a lot to my attitude and me being
Speaker 1: straightforward and uh, you know, not really cutting nothing from
Speaker 1: where I come from. When I speak, right, you one
Speaker 1: of the best ship talkers of all times? Did you
Speaker 1: learn that from Chicago streets?
Speaker 5: No question, question, real question. You know, if if it's
Speaker 5: a lot of things that goes on and people when
Speaker 5: they talk shit to you, you gotta make them understand
Speaker 5: that you're not gonna beat it's not gonna be that way. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna talk ship back to you. And then after
Speaker 5: while I'm talking ship to you, I'm gonna beat you down.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, And this is gonna motivate me. You know,
Speaker 5: but you know you knew you Like like I said before,
Speaker 5: in Chicago, you gotta know who to talk ship to
Speaker 5: them not to talk because game bangers, you know, they
Speaker 5: used to they used to ball too, and there used
Speaker 5: to be some hell of a hoopers out there, so
Speaker 5: you can't talk ship to them and then think that
Speaker 5: you was gonna get away with The killers are the
Speaker 5: most one, right y'all very sensitive, so he had you know,
Speaker 5: he talked ship to you be like okay, yeah, right, yeah,
Speaker 5: you got it. Yeah, all right, here you go, all right,
Speaker 5: cool foul there you go, all right cool because we
Speaker 5: know the guys, we know who they are and what
Speaker 5: they're about. They're gonna come out there and hoop and
Speaker 5: they're gonna do their thing, and you you just it's
Speaker 5: kind of like you let them do their thing because
Speaker 5: it's not a win win situation because it's nothing and
Speaker 5: it's fifty people with them. They come in with fifty people.
Speaker 7: Mm hm.
Speaker 1: Talk about Chicago runs. We had summertime, summertime runs. We
Speaker 1: had a great time, great conversation with one our brothers,
Speaker 1: Antoine Walker, about about the runs and about MJ and Broun.
Speaker 2: Can you talk to us about the runs?
Speaker 7: Man?
Speaker 5: So let me let me let me go to bron first.
Speaker 5: So we's playing at hoops. What tim Grover used to
Speaker 5: have and I ain't no bron at the time, and
Speaker 5: they said he just came off entry, took off his
Speaker 5: cast or whatever, and were playing, and you know, he
Speaker 5: just recklarly. You know, he ain't showing nobody nothing, and
Speaker 5: he was coming on a fast break and I faked
Speaker 5: like I was gonna go to him, but I went
Speaker 5: over here. It was like a three on two on.
Speaker 5: I faked. That motherfucker just took off sixteen seventeen. That
Speaker 5: motherfucker just took off from the free throw line. I
Speaker 5: was like, he just took off from the free throw line.
Speaker 5: He missed it, but he was way up there. He
Speaker 5: just missed out. I get this was like his like
Speaker 5: second time playing, so he was still frantic and getting
Speaker 5: back out there for about after about four or five
Speaker 5: weeks and not playing. That motherfucker took off. Man, I
Speaker 5: was it was like a cartoon and everybody was like WHOA.
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, that's the first time I saw
Speaker 5: Brin And you know, he was still just regularly he
Speaker 5: was still feeling everybody out. He wasn't really he was playing,
Speaker 5: but he wasn't like, you know, he was just still
Speaker 5: feeling everybody out. But yeah, man, I runs was fierce
Speaker 5: in Chicago. I runs was fierce, and oh I got
Speaker 5: a ton of a ton of stories. So I'm in college.
Speaker 5: I'm going into my junior year of college. And a guy,
Speaker 5: he he walks up to me and say, Heyo, we
Speaker 5: got MJ coming.
Speaker 6: I was like, MJ.
Speaker 5: Who He's like, we got MJ? I said, MJ. Who
Speaker 5: said this Chicago? Who was MJ? He said Michael Jordan.
Speaker 5: I said, oh, well, he gonna get his ass busted
Speaker 5: to ship this. I turned out. I had me Nick Kendall,
Speaker 5: gill Uh named Donald Reeves. We had our Fred Q's
Speaker 5: and his brother. We was rolling, We was rolling. They
Speaker 5: brought in Michael Jordan, Terry Comings, Craig Hodges. I'm like,
Speaker 5: you didn't tell me all this was coming. Y'all, y'all
Speaker 5: got pros coming. We're not even the pros yet. We're
Speaker 5: trying to get there if we're gonna make it. So
Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, here we go, here we go. See
Speaker 5: But a lot of people don't know. I studied Craig Hodges.
Speaker 5: Move see Craig Hodges used to come down. He'll put
Speaker 5: it in his right cross between his legs and he
Speaker 5: has spin and like he and then he go to
Speaker 5: the basket and let up. So A gotta be way
Speaker 5: over here, and he's spending going back right. So I
Speaker 5: knew when he was gonna do the move, and I
Speaker 5: was sitting on it.
Speaker 2: He'll be a great guest.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he got a lot of oh man, oh man,
Speaker 5: he talk about a lot. And I took the ball
Speaker 5: away from one down court or whatever. But before the game,
Speaker 5: the guy was like, atim, I got a bet. I said,
Speaker 5: what's the bet? He said, I got a bet that
Speaker 5: you're gonna score six points, four or six points with
Speaker 5: Then Michael Jordan, I said, okay, said how much the bet?
Speaker 5: He said about eighty thousand. I said eighty thousand. He
Speaker 5: said yeah. I said okay. I said, but I need that.
Speaker 5: It was an original Louis Vatan jacket that he got
Speaker 5: made and I wanted that jacket. I said, I got
Speaker 5: to have that jacket. I gave me ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 5: I said, you got a many in thirty seconds, Man,
Speaker 5: I gotta go play.
Speaker 2: Let me know.
Speaker 5: He said, oh man, fuck you bet. I said, all right, cool,
Speaker 5: So after we play, after I did Michael, I mean,
Speaker 5: after I took the ball from crig Hodges. I went
Speaker 5: up for a lift. They called timeout, timeout, timeount. He
Speaker 5: was like, damn, you can't stick him. I said, no,
Speaker 5: he can't stick me. Why don't you switch off on him?
Speaker 5: You said it to M to m the crowd went, oh,
Speaker 5: Mike just turned his head and just kept walking like man, no, no,
Speaker 5: y'all got to do with that mont. He didn't want
Speaker 5: that problem. It's plus, I'm at the crib too, I'm
Speaker 5: in front of my crowd. I'm rolling to its nipping tuck.
Speaker 5: He's supposed to have fouled out, but you know that's Mike.
Speaker 5: They want a double old time. But I tell you this,
Speaker 5: man Mike said after the game, he said, good game.
Speaker 5: He looked me in my eye. He said, you got
Speaker 5: a chance. You got a chance. At that particular point,
Speaker 5: you still trying to feel yourself out, You still trying
Speaker 5: to understand. You know, if you got a chance. That
Speaker 5: door opened, and it's from m it open. When that
Speaker 5: door opened an inch, I kick that motherfucker open.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 5: Because you getting that from him, my confidence went to
Speaker 5: another level and I was like, Wow, that's I mean.
Speaker 5: And that's all he said. You got a change.
Speaker 3: Sometimes that's all you need though, right, especially coming from him,
Speaker 3: and you.
Speaker 5: Know, we used to play. We had we had a
Speaker 5: bunch of ball Isaiah Thomas, Doc Rivers, Mark Kuye, Terry
Speaker 5: come As, Eddie Johnson. Everybody used to come to the
Speaker 5: house and play. And we used to play against pros
Speaker 5: all the time. So it was nothing for us to
Speaker 5: play against pros. And that's why we got, you know,
Speaker 5: so many pros that's in the league from Chicago because
Speaker 5: we go back and we played against all these other
Speaker 5: high school and college guys and taught them and you
Speaker 5: know and talk to them, so you know that that's
Speaker 5: where Chicago is what this is.
Speaker 2: I heard.
Speaker 1: I heard that that's the reason how the NBA, some
Speaker 1: league and training cap got to Chicago because all of
Speaker 1: the basketball players was going in and played in the
Speaker 1: summertime and they they was already.
Speaker 2: So that's how the idea of came.
Speaker 1: Because when I came, we came in all the sudden league,
Speaker 1: the pre draft cap, all that was in Chicago for years, right,
Speaker 1: And they said the reason why I started there because
Speaker 1: of the Chicago runs.
Speaker 2: That's how it happened.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's always been big Chicago runs, and it's it's
Speaker 5: starting to pick up again now and Sunny Parker got
Speaker 5: a big summer league tournament that's going on right now.
Speaker 5: But no, man, it's uh, it's been a big part
Speaker 5: of our lives ever since I was in like seventh
Speaker 5: eighth grade. You used to go and watch these guys play,
Speaker 5: and I used to be at the gym. The game
Speaker 5: started at seventh We at the gym at five because
Speaker 5: it's getting crowded. At six o'clock, you couldn't even get
Speaker 5: in there. Yeah, I mean you're watching Mark Guy. I've
Speaker 5: seen Mark Guy get mad at referee and walk the
Speaker 5: length of the court, throw his jersey down, and the
Speaker 5: guy ran down the court, down the middle of the court,
Speaker 5: grabbed that jersey, just a mess jersey with Mark Guy's
Speaker 5: name on it, and just took off and ran with
Speaker 5: We used to ask people for their sweaty jerseys after
Speaker 5: the game after when it was over with. Man, that's
Speaker 5: how big something lead.
Speaker 1: How many how many basketball players you you're in LA,
Speaker 1: so it's probably different, but growing up, how many actual
Speaker 1: NBA players do you actually get a chance to meet? Right,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, you know, I can
Speaker 1: imagine how the kid felt like I got a chance
Speaker 1: to get a jersey.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I mean. And everybody's personal. You
Speaker 5: walk up to him, all the graft to the pictures,
Speaker 5: shake hands, high five. It was just all personal.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: We had so much fun, man, just by being there
Speaker 5: watching them and talking to them and just see and
Speaker 5: just hearing the footsteps. And you know, Rod, he gets
Speaker 5: used to play. He never missed a shot. That missed shot,
Speaker 5: just missed the fund. Milt mm hmm. I mean that's
Speaker 5: the way it was, man.
Speaker 2: We did.
Speaker 5: We love watching it.
Speaker 4: Like fourteenth pick in the eighty nine draft, there was
Speaker 4: rumors that Nelly bad talked to you, so you slid
Speaker 4: to go to State at fourteen in truth to that,
Speaker 4: did you know anything about that?
Speaker 5: Yes, that was true. Yes that was true. Fucking Nelly,
Speaker 5: fucking NOLLI, fucking Nelly, great guy. Oh but I tell
Speaker 5: you this, So I supposed to go down to last
Speaker 5: day you go and work out fourteen trying to get
Speaker 5: out of Chicago. It was a typhoon in Chicago. Couldn't
Speaker 5: get out. Was at O'Hare airport to two am, couldn't
Speaker 5: get out and never got to Oakland to work out
Speaker 5: what the Warriors. Three days later that it was that Sunday,
Speaker 5: so monday'll be able to work out. So we had
Speaker 5: the draft Wednesday Thursday night, and I'm thinking, I swear
Speaker 5: to here, I'm going to Minnesota, Bill Musselman, I'm going
Speaker 5: to Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Going.
Speaker 5: Poor Richson. Okay, okay, Dick first six, I'm going to Indiana.
Speaker 3: What pick was Minnesota first?
Speaker 5: I think they was three and then I think Indiana
Speaker 5: was four or five something like that. George McLeod. So
Speaker 5: you gotta be kidding me. But I'm in my mind.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm not showing no, you know nothing. And
Speaker 5: then and I knew Boston like me too, And they
Speaker 5: got the big fella from he lives here from b
Speaker 5: y U. I forget his name, and I always forget
Speaker 5: his name. Uh, but uh, come to find out, I
Speaker 5: get the Golden State. After Golden State picked me, Nelly
Speaker 5: was like, yeah, you know, no, not Sean Bradley. Uh
Speaker 5: but yeah, he he's been telling everybody that got bad
Speaker 5: knees and you should pick me. Yeah, telling everybody got
Speaker 5: bad knees, you shouldn't pick him. And uh, he's gonna
Speaker 5: be a bust in three years for you. And that's
Speaker 5: what he and I know I know when when he
Speaker 5: picked me, I know what they face looked like to
Speaker 5: I know exactly what they face looked like. And but yeah, man,
Speaker 5: that's what the story was. And after I got to Oakland,
Speaker 5: Chris Mullins like, what you want to do? I said, Man,
Speaker 5: I haven't shot ball in like two weeks. Man, I
Speaker 5: want to go play some basketball.
Speaker 3: He's like, come on, let's go.
Speaker 5: So we wanted to go play. We played basketball for
Speaker 5: like four hours.
Speaker 4: How cool was Moulley? I mean, we got a chance
Speaker 4: when we came in with that we believe team. There
Speaker 4: was still Mitch was still there, Molly was still there.
Speaker 2: Just the energy.
Speaker 4: The team hadn't been good since you left, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, So there's been such a gap and
Speaker 4: just playoff appearances. But what was that your first impression
Speaker 4: of Oakland? Obviously you said Molly picked you up from
Speaker 4: the Red But what was that first interaction like and
Speaker 4: what was your first experience like out there in Oakland?
Speaker 5: You heard so much stuff about Oakland. I knew a
Speaker 5: bunch of players from the East and Midwest that came
Speaker 5: out to Oakland, you know, and got caught up in
Speaker 5: that situation. Get you you know, it'd get you and wet.
Speaker 5: They first ain't tell you leave that stuff alone, watch
Speaker 5: you drink all that type of stuff. So you know,
Speaker 5: not the name on names, but you knew the people
Speaker 5: that was dead and that was you know, into that stuff.
Speaker 5: You know. Fortunately I grew up around it, all that
Speaker 5: stuff in Chicago, drugs, games, all that type of stuff,
Speaker 5: so I knew how to handle myself when I got there, uh,
Speaker 5: which was you know, helped me out tremendously. The fans, man,
Speaker 5: the fans are unbelievable. They'll tell you if you're not playing,
Speaker 5: they'll tell you if you you know, if you if
Speaker 5: you're sitting on your ass and dogging it. They'll tell you.
Speaker 5: Some of the greatest fans in the world. And you know,
Speaker 5: you have some of the greatest people that came through there.
Speaker 5: You know, Robert Parris played there before he went to Boston,
Speaker 5: Rick Berry, Al Addams, those guys. You know, so it man.
Speaker 5: I mean, the fans there.
Speaker 4: Will make a pit stop and yeah, yeah, yeah, well yep, yep.
Speaker 4: Talk about Molley, I don't think he gets enough love money.
Speaker 4: Got a lot a lot of game money.
Speaker 5: Quiet Molley, Quiet, you know, I always said this. He
Speaker 5: was a two time Big East Player of the Year
Speaker 5: and then we was with somebody. I said that, and
Speaker 5: then Molly went like this three three three times Biggie's
Speaker 5: played from the Big East? Was it too with Patrick Ewing,
Speaker 5: Pearl Washington? You know, people from Connecticut and all that. Man,
Speaker 5: come on, man, come on man, Chris Mullin, slow ass,
Speaker 5: Chris Mallin, shoot your face out. And people think I'm hating.
Speaker 5: People think I'm lying. But we, like I said before,
Speaker 5: we never had social media. And when I say I
Speaker 5: didn't seen Chris Mullen make a hundred threes in a row,
Speaker 5: I didn't seen him make a hundred threes in a row.
Speaker 5: And people be like, ah, you lying. I say, you
Speaker 5: could take it for what you wanted to be there.
Speaker 5: You had to be there like you was there for.
Speaker 5: When you say Steph Curry made ninety five ninety six
Speaker 5: in a row, that's cool. I understand that. But I
Speaker 5: seen my man make a hunting in a row. I
Speaker 5: didn't seen my man go for two and a half hours.
Speaker 2: And did not miss Is he the only one not
Speaker 2: in the hall at all? Three?
Speaker 3: No, Chris is in.
Speaker 5: He's in the hall all three before you. Yeah, he
Speaker 5: went in before me. It was Chris, Mitch and myself.
Speaker 4: He was twenty five fire miss too. Yes, it was
Speaker 4: twenty four, was twenty five, five and four for five
Speaker 4: straight years. Talk to us about run TMC. Where the
Speaker 4: name is Mitch, where the name came from, and just
Speaker 4: what that chemistry was like amongst you three.
Speaker 5: The chemistry just came just just because we love to
Speaker 5: play basketball. After we practiced, we practiced for about two
Speaker 5: two and a half hours and then we'll played three
Speaker 5: on three whole court.
Speaker 2: We did that too, were not the whole court.
Speaker 5: But yeah, we played. Yeah, we played three on three
Speaker 5: whole court. And then Chris Chris yourself and he said, Okay,
Speaker 5: if you steal a ball, you can't score the ball
Speaker 5: until everybody get over half court. Now, everybody gotta get
Speaker 5: over Your team got to get over half court. And
Speaker 5: I'm like, wait, come up with that. But it's all
Speaker 5: about being in shape. It's all about having energy. So
Speaker 5: if you sticking somebody and they're about to post you
Speaker 5: up and Mitch get is steal at half court, I
Speaker 5: gotta run from the baseline to half court before we
Speaker 5: make a layup or we got to bring it back down. Yeah, everybody,
Speaker 5: So yeah, man, I mean, we we just love to
Speaker 5: play basketball. And we we had signs. You look, you look,
Speaker 5: he'll go like this, Well he'll do his eyes Mitchell, Chris,
Speaker 5: and I throw it right here past his ear and
Speaker 5: he'll lay it up, or he'll be like, you know,
Speaker 5: throw a lob and stuff like that. It was just
Speaker 5: little stuff that we just practiced and we talked about.
Speaker 5: And that's where the run teams she came. I hear
Speaker 5: Chris on one side, here Mitchell on the other side.
Speaker 5: When you right them on your left, Rod Higgins, I'm trailing.
Speaker 5: You know, you can always hear Rod. I'm trailing. If
Speaker 5: you need me, I'm trailing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: Sometimes I drop Rod off a bone or whatever. But
Speaker 5: you can hit those you can hear those guys, man,
Speaker 5: they coming down. Just get them ball. And you know,
Speaker 5: it was like, who is you gonna come off of
Speaker 5: You're in trouble. You know you can't you can't go
Speaker 5: double team Mitch. You can't go double team myself or Chris.
Speaker 5: But we're gonna we as unselfish. We'll pass the ball.
Speaker 5: We know if it comes back to us. That's the
Speaker 5: energy of the basketball. So but no, man, run timc Man.
Speaker 5: We had so much fun and we when we go
Speaker 5: when we came out east, we went out East, there
Speaker 5: was so many people that wanted to see us that
Speaker 5: we sold out. And you just you appreciate your work
Speaker 5: when people come and see you. You you appreciate the
Speaker 5: craft and the work you put in each and every
Speaker 5: day that people come in and see you. And you
Speaker 5: sell out in New York, you sell out in Boston.
Speaker 3: You sell out to lead by Storm.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah Storm. Then Nelly traded him, But we're
Speaker 5: not getting in that.
Speaker 3: Were you there when when when s Webb was drafted?
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I was there.
Speaker 3: Man, How could the things have changed if him and
Speaker 3: Nelly didn't bump his Oh?
Speaker 5: Man, this is what happened. So Nelly came downstairs and said,
Speaker 5: we finally it was first they practice. We finally finally
Speaker 5: signed him, and we practicing, and that's when I blew
Speaker 5: up my ac that day, that day, that day. But
Speaker 5: if I was there and I and I understood what
Speaker 5: what because Molly came and was talking to me. He said, man,
Speaker 5: it's time for you to start coming around. You gotta
Speaker 5: start working out with the team or or working out,
Speaker 5: you know, getting your knee together with your team. With
Speaker 5: the team because they bump in his I ain't know
Speaker 5: because I wasn't around. I didn't know how it was.
Speaker 5: I was at practice, but I really, you know, was
Speaker 5: doing my thing, and so it was kind of it
Speaker 5: was tough. But I could have bridged the gap between
Speaker 5: Nelly and with Web and made Web understand how cool
Speaker 5: Nelly was, how cool Nelly was, and how he was
Speaker 5: trying to take his game to another level. Web wanted
Speaker 5: to just catch the ball and take his man one
Speaker 5: on one. Nelly envisioned Web and doing the same thing
Speaker 5: that he did in Sacramento in his later years, pointward,
Speaker 5: point forward, like he could have done that his rookie
Speaker 5: off the rip, But at that particular time, Web wasn't
Speaker 5: interested in that. He was interested. I need the ball
Speaker 5: over here, cleared out. Let me do my thing, all right.
Speaker 5: I set a pick, we thought a lid. We'd do
Speaker 5: this and that and this and that. But but I
Speaker 5: think Web understood once he got to see sacramental what
Speaker 5: what Nelly wanted when he was a rookie, because he
Speaker 5: saw he saw what he had with his tools as
Speaker 5: a basketball player. We saw it in Sacramento. If you
Speaker 5: could have seen it early on he.
Speaker 2: Believed in it. Even when we was go to State.
Speaker 3: He came back for a minute.
Speaker 4: He came back to that work, and then Nelly pulled
Speaker 4: some bullsh on Web again, and Web just left.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I tell you this. If you yeah, Nelly will
Speaker 5: do that. Nelly will do that. Nelly will do that.
Speaker 5: He like, look, man, I mean he'll believed in you.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, he's the same same coach that made
Speaker 1: me a captain for the first time, but also the
Speaker 1: first coach to ask me where.
Speaker 2: I wanted to get traded to.
Speaker 3: The time is up?
Speaker 2: Son knocked my daughter. How you feel about where you
Speaker 2: want to go?
Speaker 4: That sound like he gave me my first real job,
Speaker 4: multi year deal and did some dirty ship to me
Speaker 4: after my mom died. So yeah, I saw the best
Speaker 4: of them.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: I wanted to fuck him up.
Speaker 2: I saw I saw this.
Speaker 5: We was at Seattle preseason game. Oland Polynese was fucking
Speaker 5: people up, just filing people for no reason at all.
Speaker 5: Preseason game. Nelly said, till Mike Smreck, who.
Speaker 3: Else was telling us, finish the story someone else.
Speaker 5: Told he said, He said, Mike, I want you going there.
Speaker 5: Fuck Olden Polynese up. In the fourth quarter, he came back.
Speaker 5: I mean after the game, in the fourth quarter, he
Speaker 5: had twelve minutes to fuck open up. He had zero files.
Speaker 5: Mike Schmarck. He went in with zero foles, came out
Speaker 5: with zero foles. Nelly didn't say nothing. We go back
Speaker 5: to Oakland. We got practice, so we started practicing, warming up,
Speaker 5: doing some stuff. I Mike smrek one on one, all right,
Speaker 5: he had to stop one person at a time. Okay,
Speaker 5: two on one, three on one, four on one.
Speaker 1: I'm filing somebody three on one, two on one, fire,
Speaker 1: getna file in five on one.
Speaker 2: He ain't filed nobody yet.
Speaker 5: We all brought it in. This went on for like
Speaker 5: forty minutes. We all brought it in. All right, tell everybody, everybody,
Speaker 5: tell Mike's freck, thank you and goodbye. This is last day.
Speaker 5: And he walked out. I'm looking like, yo, yo, mom, this.
Speaker 3: Is what happens.
Speaker 2: M just went on there.
Speaker 5: He got some mice on.
Speaker 2: Yo.
Speaker 5: I'm like, wow, yeah, man.
Speaker 3: Mitch told us that story at All Star All Star.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Man, I've never seen ship like that before in my life.
Speaker 5: And Mike's from Reck say, hey man, thank y'all man,
Speaker 5: I appreciate y'all. Blah blah blah, this and that and this,
Speaker 5: and he went on to the Lakers got a ring.
Speaker 1: He kind of did something like that that Al harringson.
Speaker 1: He told he wanted out to lose weight, and I
Speaker 1: wasn't losing the weight. So we start weighing out before practice,
Speaker 1: we start wearing get on the scale before practicing after practice.
Speaker 2: That shit was so belivling, But he did it.
Speaker 7: He did.
Speaker 5: He's gonna make you do something. If he wants you
Speaker 5: to do it, he's gonna find a way to.
Speaker 3: Get you out.
Speaker 1: He had us playing shuffle board, so just to be
Speaker 1: a captain, uh Nike decorated athlete, decorated athlete in the nineties.
Speaker 1: How did that deal come together? And random mean you
Speaker 1: had a mean shoe game. Yeah, you had a nice collection. Bro,
Speaker 1: Do you still get those? Can you get those still?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 5: I think the bacons are gone. You just still get there.
Speaker 2: But those the ones that's my favorite. Yeah, I like these.
Speaker 5: He's very like them too, very light. The only reason
Speaker 5: why I couldn't whim is because it's got some type
Speaker 5: of Muslim selling along. Oh yeah in the back, yeah yeah,
Speaker 5: I lied something right here on the side, right here
Speaker 5: on the back that so, but I was wearing the
Speaker 5: Bacon's one day in practice shooting around and Pat.
Speaker 2: Was like, uh oh, I see it.
Speaker 5: Now I'm gonna get a Pat just cuse yeah right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's fine.
Speaker 5: I didn't know that, but yeah, I was wearing them
Speaker 5: in practice shooting around New York and Pat was like, hey, man,
Speaker 5: Tim can wear those shoes in the game. I don't
Speaker 5: want him wearing those shoes in the game. And I
Speaker 5: kind of overheard him talking to the equipment. So after
Speaker 5: shooting around, I grabbed my own shoe and I took
Speaker 5: him with me and I brought them back and I
Speaker 5: had them ready to go.
Speaker 2: For the game.
Speaker 5: He was telling that the equipment. Hey, I thought I
Speaker 5: told you you take them shoes away from He said, look, man,
Speaker 5: I tried. He wouldn't let me have what you want
Speaker 5: me to fight him, then he won't be able to play.
Speaker 5: He might hurt something. So Pat just let it go.
Speaker 5: And after we won, Pat was like, man, I'm so
Speaker 5: glad you wore those shoes, but.
Speaker 2: Now I won't win. Man, it's all about whim. Yeah.
Speaker 5: That was fun commercial to the fund Police, the fun Police,
Speaker 5: it was.
Speaker 3: Just another night at fund Police headquarters.
Speaker 4: Fund police high go down offense called twenty second time
Speaker 4: out going away.
Speaker 5: This is JUnit twenty one possible born basketball gaming progress Yo,
Speaker 5: Unit ten on the way.
Speaker 2: We copy that.
Speaker 5: No, oh no, we knew.
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 7: Dogs up, up, up up up, Let's go, let's go.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Now, it was just one game.
Speaker 2: Police, slow it down.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you something. I'm so I was doing it.
Speaker 5: It was Spike Lee, and Spike Lee just said, man,
Speaker 5: just be natural. Just go out there and do you
Speaker 5: just start. So we started playing basketball and some guy
Speaker 5: was just talking ship to me and he was like,
Speaker 5: just he told I see I saw him. He just
Speaker 5: told the guy just keep it rolling, don't stop filming.
Speaker 5: So he kept he talked to me at times, but
Speaker 5: he said, all right, let's keep going. Let's keep going.
Speaker 5: And that's where I got skills. And some guy walked
Speaker 5: past me in the airport about three months ago. I
Speaker 5: just got to hear it. I said, what you gotta hear?
Speaker 5: He just said, just said I got skilled. Yeah, I said,
Speaker 5: he said thank you, that's all he said. But yeah, man,
Speaker 5: it was fun commercials.
Speaker 2: That's the era that a lot of people hold on to.
Speaker 4: Man, we were raising that area that's the area we
Speaker 4: came up in. Traded to the heat of ninety six
Speaker 4: at the trade deadline. Pat Riley's first year coaching, what
Speaker 4: was it, What was it like playing for him, and
Speaker 4: what was the difference between.
Speaker 2: Him and Nelly?
Speaker 7: Man?
Speaker 5: All business? You know, Nelly like to have fun times.
Speaker 5: I'm going golfing now I'm not. Won'ta be no golfing here.
Speaker 5: It's straight two and a half hours here, work, work, work,
Speaker 5: I asked pat one d said I was another best.
Speaker 5: I said, why we practiced for two and a half
Speaker 5: hours every day? He said, that's how long the game is.
Speaker 2: Make a mat of sense.
Speaker 5: I didn't say no more, and I went to practice
Speaker 5: every day and did what I supposed to.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 5: But but no, man, it is paying attention to detail film,
Speaker 5: just no nonsense. When you when you when you walked
Speaker 5: in that gym, you just feeled energy. It's just dray business.
Speaker 5: It's dray business. There's no bsing up here.
Speaker 2: When you.
Speaker 5: When you get from that locker room and you walking
Speaker 5: up those stairs, it's like a you know, like a
Speaker 5: prize fire. When he walking down that hallways, he'd be
Speaker 5: like yeah, he'd be like, you know, you walking you
Speaker 5: having fun and stuff. You're still talking, and then you
Speaker 5: get halfway down that tunnguel You're like, that's how it is,
Speaker 5: just in practice. Then you get up in that stairs
Speaker 5: and you get or you come in through that that
Speaker 5: that door work.
Speaker 2: That's all.
Speaker 5: It's about work, and it's all about repetition. Repetition, repetition, repetition.
Speaker 5: Everything its repetition.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 5: A friend of mine said, Tim, why why you why
Speaker 5: you doing what you're doing games? I said, Man, we
Speaker 5: do this every day. We do this every day. My
Speaker 5: body don't can't help but to do repetition. I'm coming
Speaker 5: in and I'm just sliding and doing this defensive drills.
Speaker 5: That's repetition. But I mean, I love playing for Pat.
Speaker 2: So how you build a championship mental?
Speaker 5: And I love playing for Pa. I love going to
Speaker 5: practice every day. I love to work, you know. I
Speaker 5: love going out there and competing for him and for
Speaker 5: the Mia Me. I enjoyed it. A lot of people,
Speaker 5: you know, they I enjoyed it because I love I
Speaker 5: grew up my my grammar school coach, just like Pat,
Speaker 5: no nonsense. Come out. We're gonna work and this way
Speaker 5: it is, and we're gonna bust people ass.
Speaker 4: Look at this picture right here. You guys ran into
Speaker 4: the to the Knicks four straight years in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: Van Gundy on the other bench. A lot of history there.
Speaker 4: Zoe talked to us about this, uh this time right here,
Speaker 4: you're right.
Speaker 3: There in the mix. What were those battles like with
Speaker 3: the Knicks, particularly in the playoffs?
Speaker 5: Crazy wild fun.
Speaker 2: Liquen We went to grab too? Oh he grabbing? Ok,
Speaker 2: got all people?
Speaker 5: No Tim, Now, Tim, Tim, I know oak One's gonna
Speaker 5: swing back on because we could anybody else, anybody else,
Speaker 5: I would have probably came with help or something like that.
Speaker 5: But I'm like, come on, oh come on. But yeah, man,
Speaker 5: that that that particular fight that was that was I mean,
Speaker 5: but the fight wasn't And so Larry right, it was
Speaker 5: something different going on with that. I can't say, some
Speaker 5: other ship going on. That was the way back when.
Speaker 5: But they was trying to stop it. But yeah, man,
Speaker 5: it was. It was battles.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: It started with Pat leaving and they had a hatred
Speaker 5: for Pat. Talking about Pat rally, Pat right left New York.
Speaker 3: Had King's ransom. He asked for some crazy and got it.
Speaker 5: Look what he built.
Speaker 4: Fifty million dollar contract twenty five hundred dollars per diem
Speaker 4: Limo rise to and from games.
Speaker 5: No, you don't, no, no, take that out. He don't
Speaker 5: get you're talking about from it for the for the
Speaker 5: uh New York Knicks. No, oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: he drives.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, Mark that scratched that the heat needed to
Speaker 4: buy him out of LA New York Homes.
Speaker 3: Any truth to that.
Speaker 5: No, he still got his LA home Man team president,
Speaker 5: head coach. Yes, all that, and there's a billionaire now, yeah,
Speaker 5: he got. He got a lot of paper.
Speaker 3: Packed mafia ties between me and you, pop not far
Speaker 3: from that.
Speaker 5: No, he knows some people. He knows some people. I
Speaker 5: tell you that he knows some people. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 5: you this, but no, he don't. He don't get. He drives.
Speaker 5: He drives sometimes. He drives old cars.
Speaker 2: He drives.
Speaker 5: He got some nice old cars too. He got some
Speaker 5: real nice old cars. He got that one car that
Speaker 5: I want that was sevestered salon in it and he
Speaker 5: was uh undercovered police officer. That red thing that dropped
Speaker 5: down had fire come out of it. Yes, boy, that
Speaker 5: car that was a bad car right there.
Speaker 2: He would be on my bucket list.
Speaker 1: You know, we used to pick the five people want
Speaker 1: to have dinner with because I can imagine the stories.
Speaker 2: From the farm till now. A lot.
Speaker 1: He has a lot because we played in the preseason
Speaker 1: with Don Nelson and we walked into we played in
Speaker 1: the forum against the Lakers. Kobe Fire met in two
Speaker 1: minutes that in the first quarde again, but as walking
Speaker 1: he was like.
Speaker 5: If these walls could talk, yeah, yeah, and I know.
Speaker 2: He got yes.
Speaker 4: Despite the tremendous Hall of Fame career you had, you said,
Speaker 4: if you could remember for one thing, it would be
Speaker 4: that you changed.
Speaker 3: As a man.
Speaker 4: Can you speak to us about those changes you made
Speaker 4: over the years or throughout your career, or just as
Speaker 4: you continue to evolve as a man.
Speaker 5: Parenting never stopped and being a husband never stopped. And
Speaker 5: I always always always been as me and my brother,
Speaker 5: and I always had to take care of my brother,
Speaker 5: my mom. My parents divorced that when I was a
Speaker 5: young age, when I was sixth grade. So I was
Speaker 5: always the man I always had, like I said, take
Speaker 5: care of my mom, my brother, and each day is
Speaker 5: it an experience for me?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 5: And I never discount what I said back in two
Speaker 5: thousand and five that really hurt me and really hurt
Speaker 5: my family. I'm talking about my whole family, my parents,
Speaker 5: my brother, his kids, my kids, my wife's family. It
Speaker 5: hurt us all. And I had to really really dig
Speaker 5: deep down and search and I understood I was wrong
Speaker 5: and I had to evolve as a man and don't
Speaker 5: my dad said. My parents, my parents always say, don't
Speaker 5: never shy away from nothing. If you wrong, deal with
Speaker 5: it and make amends and help people, Okay, And That's
Speaker 5: what I've been doing. I hear some people, I'm out.
Speaker 5: I hear some people, I'd be like, yo, ya, y'all
Speaker 5: need to comment down. You need to stop that. That's
Speaker 5: not right, you know. And I make them understand why
Speaker 5: it's not right. You know, they are people too. They
Speaker 5: here to have fun too, and they should. Everybody should
Speaker 5: have fun and enjoy themselves, no matter who they are
Speaker 5: and what they are.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: But each day, you know, when I watch my son play,
Speaker 5: I know when he's going to call me. M I
Speaker 5: gotta be up late that night. When my daughters call
Speaker 5: me they got a problem. I gotta deal with the
Speaker 5: problem my mom or my dad, my brother, you know,
Speaker 5: so they expect, they expect me to be there so
Speaker 5: I gotta be strong for a lot of folks, and
Speaker 5: and I know how to deal with it. You could
Speaker 5: grow up under a rock and not deal with it.
Speaker 5: But this is my family. I'm all about family, and
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take care of my family as as as
Speaker 5: long as God keeps getting me up every day. That's
Speaker 5: my mission. Take care of my family.
Speaker 2: Love it.
Speaker 5: And that's what it's about. And growing up as a man,
Speaker 5: and and and it's not you know, it's not being
Speaker 5: a man. There's a lot of women out here that
Speaker 5: that that has a lot on their shoulders, but they
Speaker 5: deal with it and they do what they're supposed to do,
Speaker 5: and it's kudos to them. So it's how you deal
Speaker 5: with it. It's how you deal with it and how
Speaker 5: you could make it better for people. And that's what
Speaker 5: I try to do. I try to solve the problem,
Speaker 5: make it better, you know, and make and make them
Speaker 5: understand what it's really going on. But it's gonna be
Speaker 5: all right. It's definitely gonna be all right. Because I'm
Speaker 5: from Chicago, man. I'm telling you what I went through
Speaker 5: and how I had to just make it out of there.
Speaker 5: It was a struggle and with our people behind me
Speaker 5: and giving me confidence and support. When they said to
Speaker 5: a village to raise a kid, it really takes a village.
Speaker 5: But the kid got to listen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to buy in.
Speaker 5: You gotta buy in. If you don't buy in, you're
Speaker 5: gonna fall through the cracks. So you gotta listen. And
Speaker 5: I was one that listened, and I understood what I
Speaker 5: need to do to get out and make some numb myself.
Speaker 5: And that's what I keep doing it. And I go
Speaker 5: back and I give back all the time to the
Speaker 5: kids and talk to the kids in Chicago and make
Speaker 5: them understand. Man, it's hard work.
Speaker 3: It was easy everybody to do it.
Speaker 1: I posted something on my Instagram just wanting to to
Speaker 1: to test to what you said. I say, don't get
Speaker 1: addicted to escaping. Face your ship, handle your business and triumph.
Speaker 1: No battles everyone by people who run. That's true, and
Speaker 1: that goes to what you are today.
Speaker 5: That's true.
Speaker 2: You gotta deal with it.
Speaker 5: You gotta deal with you gotta face it. You know,
Speaker 5: if you face it, it's gonna work its way out.
Speaker 5: It's gonna work. If you don't face it, then you
Speaker 5: get deep be there exactly when you.
Speaker 2: Come back to it's still gonna be there.
Speaker 3: Quick hitters. Last thing before we get you up.
Speaker 2: Three Nike models to wear for the rest of your life.
Speaker 2: What are they?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 5: Three Nike models. Oh Man air raids of course against
Speaker 5: them now crossovers, original crossovers. Uh. And you know what
Speaker 5: I got, I got. I gotta go with the air George,
Speaker 5: I got to go with the air joints. The uh,
Speaker 5: that's that, the uh the little concords. Now I'm talking
Speaker 5: about the three court eleven yeah, elevens, the small, I mean,
Speaker 5: but the low, the low. They're very comfortable. They very
Speaker 5: come and of course you gotta have air Force ones
Speaker 5: got to you got you got any color of them,
Speaker 5: you got it. They so comfortable, gotta have them.
Speaker 2: What you got on now? Bronze?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I got? These are very comfortable.
Speaker 6: I got.
Speaker 5: Comfortable ship.
Speaker 3: As we get older, it's less about what they look
Speaker 3: like and what they feel for the screen.
Speaker 5: I'm walking in socks.
Speaker 2: I'm paying for comfort.
Speaker 3: Only one thing you wish you were better at.
Speaker 5: Man, one thing I wish I was better at. You
Speaker 5: know what I want. I want to get better at
Speaker 5: being a parent. You know, it never stops, It never stops.
Speaker 5: And you, and you gotta constantly, constantly, constantly be there
Speaker 5: for them, and you gotta have ways to make them
Speaker 5: understand how to get out of stuff. So it's parenting.
Speaker 2: I would say music because a lot of videos of you,
Speaker 2: you love R and B. You always sing, and I
Speaker 2: thought you was gonna sing, That's what I said.
Speaker 5: Because you always no. No, I'm not gonna put that.
Speaker 3: One album you could listen to with no skips.
Speaker 5: One album, no skips. I will say, Frankie Beverly, he told.
Speaker 2: You he loved it. R and B. I know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can't go wrong with.
Speaker 5: That class man or Off the Wall with Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: If you can have one guest on Guess on All
Speaker 1: the Smoke, who would it be? But you have to
Speaker 1: help us get your answer on the show, So it's
Speaker 1: gotta be someone you're cool with, Pat whatever, Chris.
Speaker 2: And I don't know how because money knows so much
Speaker 2: about both of us.
Speaker 3: Or if you can get Ahold of the Big Old
Speaker 3: and see if he want to come on the show.
Speaker 5: I mean, right there, you know what I I will say,
Speaker 5: Chris Molley, Yeah, I will say Chris, y'all, y'all have
Speaker 5: a great time. That's got to y'all will have great y'all,
Speaker 5: y'all been here laughing Chris, Chris is funny.
Speaker 1: He's gonna tell some stories that we don't even remember, right, Yes, yes, well.
Speaker 4: Tim man, we appreciate your time. Thank you for finally
Speaker 4: getting a chance to sit down with us. We continue,
Speaker 4: continue blessing to you and your family, and we'll be
Speaker 4: rooting for you.
Speaker 3: Man New York. My fifth seven boys comes U and
Speaker 3: l V let me kill Larry. Y'all said, let's go
Speaker 3: ask where we should go, and y'all flooded it.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: So we appreciate the love.
Speaker 2: Like that, y'all coming out and showing us love. We
Speaker 2: appreciate y'all. Mm hmmm mm hmm