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Speaker 1: Hardaway man the Texas two step. He was big growing

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Speaker 1: The shoes and everything coming out of Texas was me

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Speaker 2: Live not over here yet.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I probably know what I used to do, Jack,

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Speaker 4: To get one good pair of shoes when I started

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Speaker 3: So I had probably four pairs during your school year.

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Speaker 1: I did everyone everywhere one pair of shoes, and today

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Speaker 4: Du just didn't discuss it now, but I think it

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Speaker 3: So he definitely said he wants to come on the show.

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Speaker 4: So we definitely got to get Chris Mullen, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 4: but to have Tim Hardaway, you know what he meant

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Speaker 3: You know him talking about his son.

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Speaker 4: I wish we had more time with him, but almost

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Speaker 4: We're out here in La right now. One of my

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Speaker 4: I seen you out here. You are your runner, you

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Speaker 5: look up out of side? Out of mind? How can

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Speaker 5: But I say, out of side, out of mind? They

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Speaker 2: I mean, we don't let him go crazy.

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Speaker 3: Up in that same colley, And that's not what that's

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Speaker 4: Respect to brout it incredible, yes, but I feel like

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Speaker 1: Young you're just playing right now, Yeah, ask them. They

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Speaker 5: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about uh.

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Speaker 1: Your Miami Heat, Miami Boys right now. Y'all finished the

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Speaker 6: You know, for him to say that, you know, I thought,

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Speaker 6: if you're not on the court playing against Boston, around

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Speaker 2: What you think about that?

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Speaker 5: I was I was waiting on that. I was waiting

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Speaker 5: I told some people, I said, pack on Talk this year,

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Speaker 2: Butler Well and Tyler Hero too. Like he's been.

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Speaker 1: He's been babying you and making you everybody was talking

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Speaker 5: I don't I don't if you play. If you play

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Speaker 5: And I was waiting on that, and we all understood

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Speaker 1: Well, both of y'all. I want to ask both of

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Speaker 1: and they have so much access to so many different

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Speaker 2: Why they missing so many games today, and not just

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Speaker 1: They said, baby, because they're playing a lot of basketball

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Speaker 5: You're not in the NBA. You're not playing that much,

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Speaker 5: It's like you got a reward by right, yes, and

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Speaker 1: And Jimmy tough, Jimmy one of the toughest guys that

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Speaker 2: Very important.

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Speaker 5: He's very important to that team. And if he played

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Speaker 4: I got a question though, because you were someone who

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Speaker 5: We had basketball IQ. We understood basketball, We paid attention

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Speaker 5: This ain't fun time. This is basketball time. This is

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Speaker 3: Are you doing?

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Speaker 5: Your mind is supposed to be in a game that

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Speaker 2: You know that.

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Speaker 5: That's that's what That's what today's game is. But when

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Speaker 4: And you could be you could be cool just after

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Speaker 5: That's the way it was.

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Speaker 4: I would say, these kids are skilled as a motherfucker though.

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Speaker 3: I just think the i Q.

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Speaker 5: Why don't you do something? But that's a lack of coaching. Coaching,

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Speaker 2: That says a lot. That says a lot.

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Speaker 5: That's why I like watching Golden State. I like watching Ballston,

440
00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,680
Speaker 5: you know, I like watching those teams because they move

441
00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,119
Speaker 5: the ball energy, they find its energy is fine. The

442
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,280
Speaker 5: right person, you know, one past you might want to

443
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,000
Speaker 5: shoot and that man open right there. Here you go,

444
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,000
Speaker 5: no hesitation, I get you another one. That's where it's

445
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:10,440
Speaker 5: supposed to be.

446
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,520
Speaker 2: One thing I like about like coaches like Don Nels.

447
00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,440
Speaker 2: We talked about and and Rick Carli.

448
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,120
Speaker 1: Those type of coaches that told me what they expected

449
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 1: me suspected from me to the beginning of the season.

450
00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,200
Speaker 1: So when the season went out started, I knew exactly

451
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,280
Speaker 1: what my job was. You was talking about that by

452
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,760
Speaker 1: Jay not having that conversation with your son. Suppose seems

453
00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,360
Speaker 1: like he's that type of coach. Supposed most likely would

454
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 1: be the coach for the nest Olympics here in LA

455
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 1: and I think it deserves it. But from from from

456
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 1: the outside looking in, give me a definition of coach

457
00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,480
Speaker 1: Bowl and why he's so great. I mean, of course,

458
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,920
Speaker 1: coming up under Pat Rowley is makes it easy to

459
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 1: have their education, but he had to stand on his

460
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 1: own some way too personable.

461
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, somebody that you can connect to, Somebody that you

462
00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 5: can talk to on and off the court, an educator,

463
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,479
Speaker 5: somebody that's gonna watch film with you and go over

464
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 5: your game. That's what he started in the film right right.

465
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 5: And he started with Dwayne Wade. He said, let me

466
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,719
Speaker 5: help Dwayne Wade. That's what Dwayne Wade got a lot

467
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 5: of his footwork from Dwayne was good, but you know,

468
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 5: some of his footwork he needed to work on, and

469
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 5: Eric exposure helped him out. With his footwork. That's when

470
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 5: Pat Rowley got more confident with eric exposure. But it's

471
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 5: all about communication and talking to the guys and looking

472
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 5: at film. Spoke film guy. It's big on film, watching film,

473
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 5: dissecting film. And when he he gonna show you, you know,

474
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 5: little clips, not thirty forty fifty clips. He gonna give

475
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 5: you about six seven clips. He's gonna give you four

476
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,400
Speaker 5: bad ones for a good ones, show you what you're

477
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,200
Speaker 5: doing wrong, what you need to correct, and we're gonna

478
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 5: go in practice and correct it.

479
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 7: And he a lot.

480
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 5: So so you know, they don't let the guys in

481
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 5: until the media in until after, you know, fifteen minutes

482
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 5: after they right before the practice is open. But Spoe

483
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 5: is actually out there working with guys on the court.

484
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 5: On the court. He's hands on with the guys on

485
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Speaker 5: the court.

486
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Speaker 6: You know.

487
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, you gotta do it this way. We chopping it up.

488
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 5: And Pat used to be that like that too, you know, Pat,

489
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 5: Pat was young in his days. So he's come out there,

490
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 5: this is how we're gonna chop it up. This is

491
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 5: how we're gonna move and he go into the movement

492
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 5: of the defense and everything. So yeah, I'm just saying,

493
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 5: you know, that's how you gotta be. And you got

494
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 5: to talk to these guys. You gotta make him understand

495
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 5: what you need from you. Gotta make him understand how

496
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 5: you want them to play. And they and they would

497
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 5: adhere to that. If you don't do that, they're in

498
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 5: the water with sharks and don't know what to do.

499
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 3: Just got gold in the Olympics.

500
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 4: Yes, you played on the two thousand Olympic team was

501
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 4: able to get gold as well. Talk to us about

502
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 4: what that experience was like representing the country and remind

503
00:22:59,080 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 4: us who was on that team.

504
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:00,360
Speaker 2: Man.

505
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 5: You know when you walk up and they give your

506
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 5: jersey U s A on, you got a big smile

507
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 5: on your face. You're like, damn all right. Now it's

508
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 5: bigger than the Miami Heat, Golden State Warriors. So the

509
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 5: Minnesota Timberwolves, this USA Kevin Garnet, Vince Carter, Alonzo, Morning,

510
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 5: Gary Payton, a kid no on that team, Van Bacon

511
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 5: and Toonio make dice Ray Allen.

512
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,239
Speaker 3: Vince dunked over by right over him.

513
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 5: But I'm gonna tell you see a lot of people

514
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 5: don't remember the most important play. We was down one

515
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 5: and Antonio make dice went in for uh we were

516
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 5: shooting a free throw and Antonio make dice. They put

517
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 5: in and Tonio make dice. He went up there and

518
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 5: he tipped in the ball. Guy box him out, but

519
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 5: you know how strong an athletic, he kind of jumped

520
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 5: over and tipped the ball in and we went up

521
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 5: by one. I think it was Lithuania. But we went

522
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 5: up by one and we had to go down and

523
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 5: play defense and somebody missed a three, got the rebound

524
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 5: and got it and we we won the game. But

525
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 5: we was in jeopardy that game. And if if mctonia

526
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 5: or mcdie didn't go in that game, we we would

527
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 5: not have won that game. Well, no, he came.

528
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 2: It came out the room.

529
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no he didn't. It wasn't in the rim.

530
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 5: He tipped it. He was supposed to be. It was

531
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 5: a free throw. Somebody was supposed to box him out,

532
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 5: and he tipped it in. He jumped over them and

533
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 5: tipped it in. But you know ano. Another thing about

534
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 5: fever roups. When we played in the nineties, it was fyscal,

535
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 5: So it was easy for us to go there and play.

536
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 5: When we these guys is they gotta get equipped for that.

537
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 5: They gotta get ready for that because they're not used

538
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 5: to that. There's no flopping it over there, you fall down.

539
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 3: I don't know.

540
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 5: I watched the Friends game, the women's in the men.

541
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen that.

542
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 5: They was like that, that's not a foul. This is

543
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 5: this is this is Chicago, New York, l A. We

544
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 5: out on the street, were on the street. Look when

545
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,239
Speaker 5: I call a foul, I call a foul. But other

546
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 5: than that, you better play some basketball. That's what we

547
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 5: gotta get acclimated to because we're not acclimated that. And

548
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 5: once they go through that and get acclimated to it,

549
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,719
Speaker 5: then it'll be all right. But I mean, I mean,

550
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 5: I mean, not Danny be all right. But we we okay.

551
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 5: But you know, it's tough to go from what we're

552
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 5: doing here.

553
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 3: And not flag football to te football.

554
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, same thing, right to tackle football.

555
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 5: That's kind of tough. It's tough. It's not easy.

556
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

557
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 4: There was recently a video with the debate about your

558
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 4: crossover and ais crossover. Later you later came out and

559
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 4: said the video was bullshit. But I mean, you're you're

560
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 4: you tipped two step and then AI is hanging crossover.

561
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 4: I want to talk to you, where did your move

562
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 4: come from?

563
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 5: Originally my move came from I practice. I practice. I practiced,

564
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 5: and so when I when I asked a kid, I said,

565
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 5: how come you can't go work out by yourself? He's like, well,

566
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 5: you know it's too hot outside. Well you know, I don't.

567
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 5: Then they'd be like, I don't know. I said, you

568
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 5: don't want it, you don't want it? I said, I

569
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 5: wanted it. I used to ride two miles, maybe a

570
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 5: mile and a half, with no seat on my bike,

571
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 5: put my ball in the frame, had two nets, get

572
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 5: to the park, climb up on the rim, put my

573
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 5: nets down, put on both sides, and I used to

574
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 5: play my mind that I'm playing against somebody I want

575
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 5: to kill. So if I'm playing against Isaiah Thomas, all right,

576
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 5: or if I'm playing against you, or I'm playing against you,

577
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 5: but y'all not in front of me, but I'm in

578
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 5: my mind, I'm going at you full game speed. So

579
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 5: a free throw line, have coret free throw line. I'm

580
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 5: the first ten. I'm making layups. First ten's up back,

581
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 5: I'm making laps. Then I'm shooting ten free throws. Then

582
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 5: after that I'm shooting all floaters up and down but

583
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 5: I'm doing moves and I'm crossing over and I you

584
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 5: know what, I didn't know I had to cross. So

585
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 5: I'm just out there dribbling. I'm just out there going

586
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 5: through stuff. Because everybody say when I was, you know,

587
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 5: coming up, that guy's betting you, that guy's betting you.

588
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 5: You got to prove yourself. I always had to prove myself.

589
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 5: So I work on my game because I wanted everybody

590
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 5: to be wrong about me. And that's how you work

591
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 5: on your game. You got to go out there and

592
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 5: do it yourself.

593
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 4: Creativity though everything, you just say, that's creativity out there

594
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 4: playing one on one against nuts.

595
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 5: So right, you know, on on. So when I when

596
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 5: I came against you, I didn't done this so much.

597
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 5: I've I've been playing in my mind. I've been playing you.

598
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 5: So I do a move. It just was easy for me.

599
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,239
Speaker 4: How has the crossover evolved in these combinations of all

600
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 4: that just a little bit of We talked about the

601
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 4: skill level being, you know, as high as it's ever been.

602
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 4: But how do you think the crossover has evolved?

603
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: Man?

604
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 5: It evolved, Uh, tremendously. Everybody using it KD. You know,

605
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 5: Anthony Edwards, of course you got uh, Chris Paul Kyrie,

606
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 5: It's funny. I'm watching a game watching James Harden.

607
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 3: He does it.

608
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 5: He does it all the time. He does my crossover

609
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 5: all the time and gets to the rim all the time.

610
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 5: And I and I'm watching them. I said, they're going

611
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 5: my crossover. And my wife be laughing, like I saw

612
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 5: I rewind. She said, he showed did it? I said,

613
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 5: I said, he does it all the time, but nobody

614
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 5: speaks about it.

615
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: You know, you was left right, he right left?

616
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 5: No, I was, Yeah, I was left right, right, right,

617
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 5: left exactly. So I see it all the time and

618
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 5: I laugh. I'm like, he doing my crossover and he

619
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 5: gets open every time every time. But you know, like

620
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 5: I said, Chris Paul, of course, Steph. You know, and

621
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 5: it's a lot of other ball players out there. I mean,

622
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 5: I used to love watching my man do it. Uh uh.

623
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 5: That's now with Charlotte Hornet as an assistant coach. Ah,

624
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 5: I forget his name, but went to Ukon. He just retired, Yeah,

625
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 5: just retired. Walk.

626
00:29:53,960 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got to take a second man, right, you know,

627
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: the big goal in the house.

628
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, how you doing, Thanks for coming by. Thanks, I

629
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: get to tell.

630
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, big what's happening? Oh yeah, yeah, you know every

631
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 5: time I see Archie Clark, he beats me down. You

632
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 5: know your cross so well ship, the bar let you had,

633
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 5: he was let you had heard heard no personal talking

634
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 5: to University of Cincinnati and I'm walking and I see you.

635
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 5: I said, it was like, I said, can you tell

636
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 5: you a picture of me with the big It was like, absolutely.

637
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: Go back to Chicago. Uh, you grew up in the gang,

638
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: real the neighborhood. You said, there was nowhere to hide.

639
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: You just had to figure it out and basically use

640
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: your survival skills. How was growing up in Chicago?

641
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: Oh?

642
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,239
Speaker 5: Man, it was very hard. A lot of people when

643
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 5: I tell the story. You know of the gangs in Chicago.

644
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 5: You know growing up in grammar school, you know high school,

645
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 5: it was tough man Grammar school, right, elementary grammar school.

646
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 5: You know, growing up in grammar school back in the seventies. Man,

647
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 5: it was tough man aar Rookings, the black gangs, disciples. Uh,

648
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 5: you know you seeing gang wars and gang fights and

649
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 5: you got to fight to get to school, You got

650
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 5: to fight get home from school. Something you running watch dressing? Man,

651
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 5: I stopped wearing a hat like blue hat, red hat,

652
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 5: walk straight. Yeah, you had to. You know, I got

653
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 5: tired of just every time I'm fixing my hat so much.

654
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 5: I was like, you know, I'm just gonna not wear hat.

655
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 5: I'm just I'm just gonna wear a scully, a black scuff,

656
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 5: you know, so nobody mess with me, you know. But yeah, man,

657
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 5: you walk around. Man, you had you if you had

658
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 5: your like this, they was like, oh, you see you

659
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 5: walking down the street. People three or four guys coming

660
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 5: off the bench. You just off the porch. You just

661
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 5: turned back around and walk the other wind, go around,

662
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 5: and then when you get towards where they can't see,

663
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 5: you just start breaking and running and stuff. I mean,

664
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 5: it was tough, man. It's about survival. It's about survival

665
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 5: and knowing how to survive and knowing who your friends

666
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 5: are and who wasn't your friends, who you can make, friends,

667
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 5: who you can believe in and trust and stuff like that.

668
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 5: So you know, once they and not my dad. You know,

669
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 5: my dad was a playground legend, and everybody knew my

670
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 5: dad and everybody knew his people. So once they knew

671
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 5: who I was and I was his son, I became cool.

672
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 5: Like now I'm off limits. So I was I was

673
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 5: real cool because everybody knew my dad and his people,

674
00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 5: so it became kind of okay. Then I was cool.

675
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 5: You know, I was walking around and I know that

676
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 5: people are not gonna mess with me. I ain't gotta

677
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 5: run all the time, you know, I don't have to

678
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 5: fight all the time. So my dad was like six ' three.

679
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 5: My dad said, there's no positions out there on the court.

680
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 5: Go out there and play. Go out there and play.

681
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 5: Go out there. If you if you got if you're

682
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 5: on a big fella, you just gotta push him out.

683
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 5: You gotta play tougher than him. You gotta out, You

684
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 5: gotta box the mouth, you gotta rebound, and you gotta

685
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 5: you just and he and he told me how to

686
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 5: think the game. You gotta think the game. You gotta

687
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 5: understand how to think the game. Our guess guy out

688
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 5: think a guy you know, uh, you know, like Dennis

689
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 5: Robins used to push you and then he pushed you again.

690
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 5: You push him, He's not gonna do nothing. Then he

691
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 5: gets strong and next thing you know, you push him again,

692
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 5: he falls down.

693
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 6: You know.

694
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 5: That's why I used to hate about John Stock. John

695
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 5: Stock used to give me God my God, he used

696
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 5: to give me at least two times a game. I'm like,

697
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 5: we coming, we were bumping, and then he hit me.

698
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 5: Now hit him back. He don't do nothing, and he

699
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 5: hit me again. And then as soon as I get

700
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 5: strong hereim he falls And referee say, you just gotta

701
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 5: know how to play the game, That's all I mean.

702
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean that's the way it is. You

703
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 5: guys got to outthink your opponent.

704
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: I credit a lot to my attitude and me being

705
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: straightforward and uh, you know, not really cutting nothing from

706
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: where I come from. When I speak, right, you one

707
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: of the best ship talkers of all times? Did you

708
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: learn that from Chicago streets?

709
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 5: No question, question, real question. You know, if if it's

710
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 5: a lot of things that goes on and people when

711
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 5: they talk shit to you, you gotta make them understand

712
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 5: that you're not gonna beat it's not gonna be that way. Yeah,

713
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 5: I'm gonna talk ship back to you. And then after

714
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 5: while I'm talking ship to you, I'm gonna beat you down.

715
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, And this is gonna motivate me. You know,

716
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 5: but you know you knew you Like like I said before,

717
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 5: in Chicago, you gotta know who to talk ship to

718
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 5: them not to talk because game bangers, you know, they

719
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 5: used to they used to ball too, and there used

720
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 5: to be some hell of a hoopers out there, so

721
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 5: you can't talk ship to them and then think that

722
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 5: you was gonna get away with The killers are the

723
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 5: most one, right y'all very sensitive, so he had you know,

724
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 5: he talked ship to you be like okay, yeah, right, yeah,

725
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 5: you got it. Yeah, all right, here you go, all right,

726
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 5: cool foul there you go, all right cool because we

727
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 5: know the guys, we know who they are and what

728
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 5: they're about. They're gonna come out there and hoop and

729
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 5: they're gonna do their thing, and you you just it's

730
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 5: kind of like you let them do their thing because

731
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 5: it's not a win win situation because it's nothing and

732
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 5: it's fifty people with them. They come in with fifty people.

733
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 7: Mm hm.

734
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: Talk about Chicago runs. We had summertime, summertime runs. We

735
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: had a great time, great conversation with one our brothers,

736
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: Antoine Walker, about about the runs and about MJ and Broun.

737
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: Can you talk to us about the runs?

738
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 7: Man?

739
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 5: So let me let me let me go to bron first.

740
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 5: So we's playing at hoops. What tim Grover used to

741
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 5: have and I ain't no bron at the time, and

742
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 5: they said he just came off entry, took off his

743
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 5: cast or whatever, and were playing, and you know, he

744
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 5: just recklarly. You know, he ain't showing nobody nothing, and

745
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 5: he was coming on a fast break and I faked

746
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 5: like I was gonna go to him, but I went

747
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 5: over here. It was like a three on two on.

748
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 5: I faked. That motherfucker just took off sixteen seventeen. That

749
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 5: motherfucker just took off from the free throw line. I

750
00:36:52,600 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 5: was like, he just took off from the free throw line.

751
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 5: He missed it, but he was way up there. He

752
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 5: just missed out. I get this was like his like

753
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 5: second time playing, so he was still frantic and getting

754
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 5: back out there for about after about four or five

755
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 5: weeks and not playing. That motherfucker took off. Man, I

756
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 5: was it was like a cartoon and everybody was like WHOA.

757
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, that's the first time I saw

758
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 5: Brin And you know, he was still just regularly he

759
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 5: was still feeling everybody out. He wasn't really he was playing,

760
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 5: but he wasn't like, you know, he was just still

761
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 5: feeling everybody out. But yeah, man, I runs was fierce

762
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 5: in Chicago. I runs was fierce, and oh I got

763
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 5: a ton of a ton of stories. So I'm in college.

764
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 5: I'm going into my junior year of college. And a guy,

765
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 5: he he walks up to me and say, Heyo, we

766
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 5: got MJ coming.

767
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 6: I was like, MJ.

768
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 5: Who He's like, we got MJ? I said, MJ. Who

769
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 5: said this Chicago? Who was MJ? He said Michael Jordan.

770
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 5: I said, oh, well, he gonna get his ass busted

771
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 5: to ship this. I turned out. I had me Nick Kendall,

772
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 5: gill Uh named Donald Reeves. We had our Fred Q's

773
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 5: and his brother. We was rolling, We was rolling. They

774
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 5: brought in Michael Jordan, Terry Comings, Craig Hodges. I'm like,

775
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 5: you didn't tell me all this was coming. Y'all, y'all

776
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 5: got pros coming. We're not even the pros yet. We're

777
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 5: trying to get there if we're gonna make it. So

778
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, here we go, here we go. See

779
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 5: But a lot of people don't know. I studied Craig Hodges.

780
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 5: Move see Craig Hodges used to come down. He'll put

781
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 5: it in his right cross between his legs and he

782
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 5: has spin and like he and then he go to

783
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 5: the basket and let up. So A gotta be way

784
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 5: over here, and he's spending going back right. So I

785
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 5: knew when he was gonna do the move, and I

786
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 5: was sitting on it.

787
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: He'll be a great guest.

788
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, he got a lot of oh man, oh man,

789
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 5: he talk about a lot. And I took the ball

790
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 5: away from one down court or whatever. But before the game,

791
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 5: the guy was like, atim, I got a bet. I said,

792
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 5: what's the bet? He said, I got a bet that

793
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 5: you're gonna score six points, four or six points with

794
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 5: Then Michael Jordan, I said, okay, said how much the bet?

795
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 5: He said about eighty thousand. I said eighty thousand. He

796
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 5: said yeah. I said okay. I said, but I need that.

797
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 5: It was an original Louis Vatan jacket that he got

798
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 5: made and I wanted that jacket. I said, I got

799
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 5: to have that jacket. I gave me ten thousand dollars.

800
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 5: I said, you got a many in thirty seconds, Man,

801
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 5: I gotta go play.

802
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: Let me know.

803
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 5: He said, oh man, fuck you bet. I said, all right, cool,

804
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 5: So after we play, after I did Michael, I mean,

805
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 5: after I took the ball from crig Hodges. I went

806
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 5: up for a lift. They called timeout, timeout, timeount. He

807
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 5: was like, damn, you can't stick him. I said, no,

808
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 5: he can't stick me. Why don't you switch off on him?

809
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 5: You said it to M to m the crowd went, oh,

810
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 5: Mike just turned his head and just kept walking like man, no, no,

811
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 5: y'all got to do with that mont. He didn't want

812
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 5: that problem. It's plus, I'm at the crib too, I'm

813
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 5: in front of my crowd. I'm rolling to its nipping tuck.

814
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 5: He's supposed to have fouled out, but you know that's Mike.

815
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 5: They want a double old time. But I tell you this,

816
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 5: man Mike said after the game, he said, good game.

817
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 5: He looked me in my eye. He said, you got

818
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 5: a chance. You got a chance. At that particular point,

819
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 5: you still trying to feel yourself out, You still trying

820
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 5: to understand. You know, if you got a chance. That

821
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 5: door opened, and it's from m it open. When that

822
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 5: door opened an inch, I kick that motherfucker open.

823
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 7: Man.

824
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 5: Because you getting that from him, my confidence went to

825
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 5: another level and I was like, Wow, that's I mean.

826
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 5: And that's all he said. You got a change.

827
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 3: Sometimes that's all you need though, right, especially coming from him,

828
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 3: and you.

829
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 5: Know, we used to play. We had we had a

830
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 5: bunch of ball Isaiah Thomas, Doc Rivers, Mark Kuye, Terry

831
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 5: come As, Eddie Johnson. Everybody used to come to the

832
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 5: house and play. And we used to play against pros

833
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 5: all the time. So it was nothing for us to

834
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 5: play against pros. And that's why we got, you know,

835
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 5: so many pros that's in the league from Chicago because

836
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 5: we go back and we played against all these other

837
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 5: high school and college guys and taught them and you

838
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 5: know and talk to them, so you know that that's

839
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 5: where Chicago is what this is.

840
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: I heard.

841
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: I heard that that's the reason how the NBA, some

842
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: league and training cap got to Chicago because all of

843
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: the basketball players was going in and played in the

844
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: summertime and they they was already.

845
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: So that's how the idea of came.

846
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: Because when I came, we came in all the sudden league,

847
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: the pre draft cap, all that was in Chicago for years, right,

848
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: And they said the reason why I started there because

849
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: of the Chicago runs.

850
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: That's how it happened.

851
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's always been big Chicago runs, and it's it's

852
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 5: starting to pick up again now and Sunny Parker got

853
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 5: a big summer league tournament that's going on right now.

854
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 5: But no, man, it's uh, it's been a big part

855
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 5: of our lives ever since I was in like seventh

856
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 5: eighth grade. You used to go and watch these guys play,

857
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 5: and I used to be at the gym. The game

858
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 5: started at seventh We at the gym at five because

859
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 5: it's getting crowded. At six o'clock, you couldn't even get

860
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 5: in there. Yeah, I mean you're watching Mark Guy. I've

861
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 5: seen Mark Guy get mad at referee and walk the

862
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 5: length of the court, throw his jersey down, and the

863
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 5: guy ran down the court, down the middle of the court,

864
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 5: grabbed that jersey, just a mess jersey with Mark Guy's

865
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 5: name on it, and just took off and ran with

866
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 5: We used to ask people for their sweaty jerseys after

867
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 5: the game after when it was over with. Man, that's

868
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 5: how big something lead.

869
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: How many how many basketball players you you're in LA,

870
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 1: so it's probably different, but growing up, how many actual

871
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: NBA players do you actually get a chance to meet? Right,

872
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, you know, I can

873
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: imagine how the kid felt like I got a chance

874
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: to get a jersey.

875
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I mean. And everybody's personal. You

876
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 5: walk up to him, all the graft to the pictures,

877
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 5: shake hands, high five. It was just all personal.

878
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: You know.

879
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 5: We had so much fun, man, just by being there

880
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 5: watching them and talking to them and just see and

881
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 5: just hearing the footsteps. And you know, Rod, he gets

882
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,479
Speaker 5: used to play. He never missed a shot. That missed shot,

883
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 5: just missed the fund. Milt mm hmm. I mean that's

884
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 5: the way it was, man.

885
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: We did.

886
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 5: We love watching it.

887
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 4: Like fourteenth pick in the eighty nine draft, there was

888
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 4: rumors that Nelly bad talked to you, so you slid

889
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 4: to go to State at fourteen in truth to that,

890
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 4: did you know anything about that?

891
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 5: Yes, that was true. Yes that was true. Fucking Nelly,

892
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 5: fucking NOLLI, fucking Nelly, great guy. Oh but I tell

893
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 5: you this, So I supposed to go down to last

894
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 5: day you go and work out fourteen trying to get

895
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 5: out of Chicago. It was a typhoon in Chicago. Couldn't

896
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 5: get out. Was at O'Hare airport to two am, couldn't

897
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 5: get out and never got to Oakland to work out

898
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 5: what the Warriors. Three days later that it was that Sunday,

899
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 5: so monday'll be able to work out. So we had

900
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 5: the draft Wednesday Thursday night, and I'm thinking, I swear

901
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 5: to here, I'm going to Minnesota, Bill Musselman, I'm going

902
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 5: to Minnesota.

903
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: Going.

904
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 5: Poor Richson. Okay, okay, Dick first six, I'm going to Indiana.

905
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 3: What pick was Minnesota first?

906
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 5: I think they was three and then I think Indiana

907
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 5: was four or five something like that. George McLeod. So

908
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 5: you gotta be kidding me. But I'm in my mind.

909
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 5: You know, I'm not showing no, you know nothing. And

910
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 5: then and I knew Boston like me too, And they

911
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 5: got the big fella from he lives here from b

912
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 5: y U. I forget his name, and I always forget

913
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 5: his name. Uh, but uh, come to find out, I

914
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 5: get the Golden State. After Golden State picked me, Nelly

915
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 5: was like, yeah, you know, no, not Sean Bradley. Uh

916
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 5: but yeah, he he's been telling everybody that got bad

917
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 5: knees and you should pick me. Yeah, telling everybody got

918
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 5: bad knees, you shouldn't pick him. And uh, he's gonna

919
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 5: be a bust in three years for you. And that's

920
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 5: what he and I know I know when when he

921
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 5: picked me, I know what they face looked like to

922
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 5: I know exactly what they face looked like. And but yeah, man,

923
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 5: that's what the story was. And after I got to Oakland,

924
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 5: Chris Mullins like, what you want to do? I said, Man,

925
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 5: I haven't shot ball in like two weeks. Man, I

926
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 5: want to go play some basketball.

927
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 3: He's like, come on, let's go.

928
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 5: So we wanted to go play. We played basketball for

929
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 5: like four hours.

930
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 4: How cool was Moulley? I mean, we got a chance

931
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 4: when we came in with that we believe team. There

932
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 4: was still Mitch was still there, Molly was still there.

933
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: Just the energy.

934
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 4: The team hadn't been good since you left, you know

935
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 4: what I mean, So there's been such a gap and

936
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 4: just playoff appearances. But what was that your first impression

937
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 4: of Oakland? Obviously you said Molly picked you up from

938
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 4: the Red But what was that first interaction like and

939
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 4: what was your first experience like out there in Oakland?

940
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 5: You heard so much stuff about Oakland. I knew a

941
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 5: bunch of players from the East and Midwest that came

942
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 5: out to Oakland, you know, and got caught up in

943
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 5: that situation. Get you you know, it'd get you and wet.

944
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 5: They first ain't tell you leave that stuff alone, watch

945
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 5: you drink all that type of stuff. So you know,

946
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 5: not the name on names, but you knew the people

947
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 5: that was dead and that was you know, into that stuff.

948
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 5: You know. Fortunately I grew up around it, all that

949
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 5: stuff in Chicago, drugs, games, all that type of stuff,

950
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 5: so I knew how to handle myself when I got there, uh,

951
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 5: which was you know, helped me out tremendously. The fans, man,

952
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 5: the fans are unbelievable. They'll tell you if you're not playing,

953
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 5: they'll tell you if you you know, if you if

954
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 5: you're sitting on your ass and dogging it. They'll tell you.

955
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 5: Some of the greatest fans in the world. And you know,

956
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 5: you have some of the greatest people that came through there.

957
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 5: You know, Robert Parris played there before he went to Boston,

958
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 5: Rick Berry, Al Addams, those guys. You know, so it man.

959
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 5: I mean, the fans there.

960
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 4: Will make a pit stop and yeah, yeah, yeah, well yep, yep.

961
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 4: Talk about Molley, I don't think he gets enough love money.

962
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 4: Got a lot a lot of game money.

963
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 5: Quiet Molley, Quiet, you know, I always said this. He

964
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 5: was a two time Big East Player of the Year

965
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 5: and then we was with somebody. I said that, and

966
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 5: then Molly went like this three three three times Biggie's

967
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 5: played from the Big East? Was it too with Patrick Ewing,

968
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 5: Pearl Washington? You know, people from Connecticut and all that. Man,

969
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 5: come on, man, come on man, Chris Mullin, slow ass,

970
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 5: Chris Mallin, shoot your face out. And people think I'm hating.

971
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 5: People think I'm lying. But we, like I said before,

972
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 5: we never had social media. And when I say I

973
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 5: didn't seen Chris Mullen make a hundred threes in a row,

974
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 5: I didn't seen him make a hundred threes in a row.

975
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 5: And people be like, ah, you lying. I say, you

976
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 5: could take it for what you wanted to be there.

977
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 5: You had to be there like you was there for.

978
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 5: When you say Steph Curry made ninety five ninety six

979
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 5: in a row, that's cool. I understand that. But I

980
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 5: seen my man make a hunting in a row. I

981
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 5: didn't seen my man go for two and a half hours.

982
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 2: And did not miss Is he the only one not

983
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 2: in the hall at all? Three?

984
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 3: No, Chris is in.

985
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 5: He's in the hall all three before you. Yeah, he

986
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 5: went in before me. It was Chris, Mitch and myself.

987
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 4: He was twenty five fire miss too. Yes, it was

988
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 4: twenty four, was twenty five, five and four for five

989
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 4: straight years. Talk to us about run TMC. Where the

990
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 4: name is Mitch, where the name came from, and just

991
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 4: what that chemistry was like amongst you three.

992
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 5: The chemistry just came just just because we love to

993
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 5: play basketball. After we practiced, we practiced for about two

994
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 5: two and a half hours and then we'll played three

995
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 5: on three whole court.

996
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 2: We did that too, were not the whole court.

997
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 5: But yeah, we played. Yeah, we played three on three

998
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:01,439
Speaker 5: whole court. And then Chris Chris yourself and he said, Okay,

999
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 5: if you steal a ball, you can't score the ball

1000
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 5: until everybody get over half court. Now, everybody gotta get

1001
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 5: over Your team got to get over half court. And

1002
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 5: I'm like, wait, come up with that. But it's all

1003
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 5: about being in shape. It's all about having energy. So

1004
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 5: if you sticking somebody and they're about to post you

1005
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 5: up and Mitch get is steal at half court, I

1006
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 5: gotta run from the baseline to half court before we

1007
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 5: make a layup or we got to bring it back down. Yeah, everybody,

1008
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 5: So yeah, man, I mean, we we just love to

1009
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 5: play basketball. And we we had signs. You look, you look,

1010
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 5: he'll go like this, Well he'll do his eyes Mitchell, Chris,

1011
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 5: and I throw it right here past his ear and

1012
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 5: he'll lay it up, or he'll be like, you know,

1013
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 5: throw a lob and stuff like that. It was just

1014
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 5: little stuff that we just practiced and we talked about.

1015
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 5: And that's where the run teams she came. I hear

1016
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 5: Chris on one side, here Mitchell on the other side.

1017
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 5: When you right them on your left, Rod Higgins, I'm trailing.

1018
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 5: You know, you can always hear Rod. I'm trailing. If

1019
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 5: you need me, I'm trailing.

1020
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: You know.

1021
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 5: Sometimes I drop Rod off a bone or whatever. But

1022
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 5: you can hit those you can hear those guys, man,

1023
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 5: they coming down. Just get them ball. And you know,

1024
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 5: it was like, who is you gonna come off of

1025
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 5: You're in trouble. You know you can't you can't go

1026
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 5: double team Mitch. You can't go double team myself or Chris.

1027
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 5: But we're gonna we as unselfish. We'll pass the ball.

1028
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 5: We know if it comes back to us. That's the

1029
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 5: energy of the basketball. So but no, man, run timc Man.

1030
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 5: We had so much fun and we when we go

1031
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 5: when we came out east, we went out East, there

1032
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 5: was so many people that wanted to see us that

1033
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 5: we sold out. And you just you appreciate your work

1034
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 5: when people come and see you. You you appreciate the

1035
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 5: craft and the work you put in each and every

1036
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 5: day that people come in and see you. And you

1037
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 5: sell out in New York, you sell out in Boston.

1038
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 3: You sell out to lead by Storm.

1039
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah Storm. Then Nelly traded him, But we're

1040
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 5: not getting in that.

1041
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 3: Were you there when when when s Webb was drafted?

1042
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I was there.

1043
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 3: Man, How could the things have changed if him and

1044
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 3: Nelly didn't bump his Oh?

1045
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 5: Man, this is what happened. So Nelly came downstairs and said,

1046
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 5: we finally it was first they practice. We finally finally

1047
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 5: signed him, and we practicing, and that's when I blew

1048
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 5: up my ac that day, that day, that day. But

1049
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 5: if I was there and I and I understood what

1050
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 5: what because Molly came and was talking to me. He said, man,

1051
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 5: it's time for you to start coming around. You gotta

1052
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 5: start working out with the team or or working out,

1053
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 5: you know, getting your knee together with your team. With

1054
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 5: the team because they bump in his I ain't know

1055
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 5: because I wasn't around. I didn't know how it was.

1056
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 5: I was at practice, but I really, you know, was

1057
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 5: doing my thing, and so it was kind of it

1058
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 5: was tough. But I could have bridged the gap between

1059
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 5: Nelly and with Web and made Web understand how cool

1060
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 5: Nelly was, how cool Nelly was, and how he was

1061
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 5: trying to take his game to another level. Web wanted

1062
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 5: to just catch the ball and take his man one

1063
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 5: on one. Nelly envisioned Web and doing the same thing

1064
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 5: that he did in Sacramento in his later years, pointward,

1065
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 5: point forward, like he could have done that his rookie

1066
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 5: off the rip, But at that particular time, Web wasn't

1067
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 5: interested in that. He was interested. I need the ball

1068
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 5: over here, cleared out. Let me do my thing, all right.

1069
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 5: I set a pick, we thought a lid. We'd do

1070
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 5: this and that and this and that. But but I

1071
00:53:54,440 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 5: think Web understood once he got to see sacramental what

1072
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 5: what Nelly wanted when he was a rookie, because he

1073
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 5: saw he saw what he had with his tools as

1074
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 5: a basketball player. We saw it in Sacramento. If you

1075
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 5: could have seen it early on he.

1076
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 2: Believed in it. Even when we was go to State.

1077
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 3: He came back for a minute.

1078
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 4: He came back to that work, and then Nelly pulled

1079
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 4: some bullsh on Web again, and Web just left.

1080
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I tell you this. If you yeah, Nelly will

1081
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 5: do that. Nelly will do that. Nelly will do that.

1082
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 5: He like, look, man, I mean he'll believed in you.

1083
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, he's the same same coach that made

1084
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: me a captain for the first time, but also the

1085
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: first coach to ask me where.

1086
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 2: I wanted to get traded to.

1087
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 3: The time is up?

1088
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: Son knocked my daughter. How you feel about where you

1089
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: want to go?

1090
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 4: That sound like he gave me my first real job,

1091
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 4: multi year deal and did some dirty ship to me

1092
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 4: after my mom died. So yeah, I saw the best

1093
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 4: of them.

1094
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 2: Man.

1095
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 3: I wanted to fuck him up.

1096
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 2: I saw I saw this.

1097
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 5: We was at Seattle preseason game. Oland Polynese was fucking

1098
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 5: people up, just filing people for no reason at all.

1099
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 5: Preseason game. Nelly said, till Mike Smreck, who.

1100
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 3: Else was telling us, finish the story someone else.

1101
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 5: Told he said, He said, Mike, I want you going there.

1102
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 5: Fuck Olden Polynese up. In the fourth quarter, he came back.

1103
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 5: I mean after the game, in the fourth quarter, he

1104
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 5: had twelve minutes to fuck open up. He had zero files.

1105
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 5: Mike Schmarck. He went in with zero foles, came out

1106
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 5: with zero foles. Nelly didn't say nothing. We go back

1107
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 5: to Oakland. We got practice, so we started practicing, warming up,

1108
00:55:54,920 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 5: doing some stuff. I Mike smrek one on one, all right,

1109
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 5: he had to stop one person at a time. Okay,

1110
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 5: two on one, three on one, four on one.

1111
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 1: I'm filing somebody three on one, two on one, fire,

1112
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: getna file in five on one.

1113
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 2: He ain't filed nobody yet.

1114
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 5: We all brought it in. This went on for like

1115
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 5: forty minutes. We all brought it in. All right, tell everybody, everybody,

1116
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 5: tell Mike's freck, thank you and goodbye. This is last day.

1117
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 5: And he walked out. I'm looking like, yo, yo, mom, this.

1118
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 3: Is what happens.

1119
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 2: M just went on there.

1120
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 5: He got some mice on.

1121
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 2: Yo.

1122
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 5: I'm like, wow, yeah, man.

1123
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 3: Mitch told us that story at All Star All Star.

1124
00:56:59,280 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1125
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 5: Man, I've never seen ship like that before in my life.

1126
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 5: And Mike's from Reck say, hey man, thank y'all man,

1127
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 5: I appreciate y'all. Blah blah blah, this and that and this,

1128
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 5: and he went on to the Lakers got a ring.

1129
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: He kind of did something like that that Al harringson.

1130
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: He told he wanted out to lose weight, and I

1131
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: wasn't losing the weight. So we start weighing out before practice,

1132
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: we start wearing get on the scale before practicing after practice.

1133
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 2: That shit was so belivling, But he did it.

1134
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 7: He did.

1135
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 5: He's gonna make you do something. If he wants you

1136
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 5: to do it, he's gonna find a way to.

1137
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 3: Get you out.

1138
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: He had us playing shuffle board, so just to be

1139
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: a captain, uh Nike decorated athlete, decorated athlete in the nineties.

1140
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: How did that deal come together? And random mean you

1141
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: had a mean shoe game. Yeah, you had a nice collection. Bro,

1142
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: Do you still get those? Can you get those still?

1143
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 7: No?

1144
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 5: I think the bacons are gone. You just still get there.

1145
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 2: But those the ones that's my favorite. Yeah, I like these.

1146
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,919
Speaker 5: He's very like them too, very light. The only reason

1147
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,479
Speaker 5: why I couldn't whim is because it's got some type

1148
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 5: of Muslim selling along. Oh yeah in the back, yeah yeah,

1149
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 5: I lied something right here on the side, right here

1150
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 5: on the back that so, but I was wearing the

1151
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 5: Bacon's one day in practice shooting around and Pat.

1152
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 2: Was like, uh oh, I see it.

1153
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 5: Now I'm gonna get a Pat just cuse yeah right there.

1154
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah that's fine.

1155
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 5: I didn't know that, but yeah, I was wearing them

1156
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,919
Speaker 5: in practice shooting around New York and Pat was like, hey, man,

1157
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 5: Tim can wear those shoes in the game. I don't

1158
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 5: want him wearing those shoes in the game. And I

1159
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 5: kind of overheard him talking to the equipment. So after

1160
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 5: shooting around, I grabbed my own shoe and I took

1161
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 5: him with me and I brought them back and I

1162
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 5: had them ready to go.

1163
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 2: For the game.

1164
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 5: He was telling that the equipment. Hey, I thought I

1165
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 5: told you you take them shoes away from He said, look, man,

1166
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 5: I tried. He wouldn't let me have what you want

1167
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 5: me to fight him, then he won't be able to play.

1168
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 5: He might hurt something. So Pat just let it go.

1169
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 5: And after we won, Pat was like, man, I'm so

1170
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 5: glad you wore those shoes, but.

1171
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 2: Now I won't win. Man, it's all about whim. Yeah.

1172
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 5: That was fun commercial to the fund Police, the fun Police,

1173
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 5: it was.

1174
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 3: Just another night at fund Police headquarters.

1175
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 4: Fund police high go down offense called twenty second time

1176
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 4: out going away.

1177
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 5: This is JUnit twenty one possible born basketball gaming progress Yo,

1178
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 5: Unit ten on the way.

1179
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 2: We copy that.

1180
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:41,439
Speaker 5: No, oh no, we knew.

1181
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 3: What's up?

1182
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 7: Dogs up, up, up up up, Let's go, let's go.

1183
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: Right.

1184
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, Now, it was just one game.

1185
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 2: Police, slow it down.

1186
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you something. I'm so I was doing it.

1187
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 5: It was Spike Lee, and Spike Lee just said, man,

1188
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 5: just be natural. Just go out there and do you

1189
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 5: just start. So we started playing basketball and some guy

1190
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 5: was just talking ship to me and he was like,

1191
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 5: just he told I see I saw him. He just

1192
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 5: told the guy just keep it rolling, don't stop filming.

1193
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 5: So he kept he talked to me at times, but

1194
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 5: he said, all right, let's keep going. Let's keep going.

1195
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 5: And that's where I got skills. And some guy walked

1196
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 5: past me in the airport about three months ago. I

1197
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 5: just got to hear it. I said, what you gotta hear?

1198
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 5: He just said, just said I got skilled. Yeah, I said,

1199
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 5: he said thank you, that's all he said. But yeah, man,

1200
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 5: it was fun commercials.

1201
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 2: That's the era that a lot of people hold on to.

1202
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 4: Man, we were raising that area that's the area we

1203
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 4: came up in. Traded to the heat of ninety six

1204
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 4: at the trade deadline. Pat Riley's first year coaching, what

1205
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 4: was it, What was it like playing for him, and

1206
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 4: what was the difference between.

1207
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 2: Him and Nelly?

1208
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 7: Man?

1209
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 5: All business? You know, Nelly like to have fun times.

1210
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 5: I'm going golfing now I'm not. Won'ta be no golfing here.

1211
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 5: It's straight two and a half hours here, work, work, work,

1212
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 5: I asked pat one d said I was another best.

1213
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 5: I said, why we practiced for two and a half

1214
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 5: hours every day? He said, that's how long the game is.

1215
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 2: Make a mat of sense.

1216
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 5: I didn't say no more, and I went to practice

1217
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 5: every day and did what I supposed to.

1218
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 7: You know.

1219
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 5: But but no, man, it is paying attention to detail film,

1220
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 5: just no nonsense. When you when you when you walked

1221
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 5: in that gym, you just feeled energy. It's just dray business.

1222
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 5: It's dray business. There's no bsing up here.

1223
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 2: When you.

1224
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 5: When you get from that locker room and you walking

1225
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 5: up those stairs, it's like a you know, like a

1226
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 5: prize fire. When he walking down that hallways, he'd be

1227
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 5: like yeah, he'd be like, you know, you walking you

1228
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 5: having fun and stuff. You're still talking, and then you

1229
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 5: get halfway down that tunnguel You're like, that's how it is,

1230
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 5: just in practice. Then you get up in that stairs

1231
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 5: and you get or you come in through that that

1232
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 5: that door work.

1233
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 2: That's all.

1234
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 5: It's about work, and it's all about repetition. Repetition, repetition, repetition.

1235
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 5: Everything its repetition.

1236
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 7: Uh.

1237
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 5: A friend of mine said, Tim, why why you why

1238
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 5: you doing what you're doing games? I said, Man, we

1239
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 5: do this every day. We do this every day. My

1240
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 5: body don't can't help but to do repetition. I'm coming

1241
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 5: in and I'm just sliding and doing this defensive drills.

1242
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 5: That's repetition. But I mean, I love playing for Pat.

1243
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 2: So how you build a championship mental?

1244
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 5: And I love playing for Pa. I love going to

1245
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 5: practice every day. I love to work, you know. I

1246
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 5: love going out there and competing for him and for

1247
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 5: the Mia Me. I enjoyed it. A lot of people,

1248
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 5: you know, they I enjoyed it because I love I

1249
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 5: grew up my my grammar school coach, just like Pat,

1250
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 5: no nonsense. Come out. We're gonna work and this way

1251
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 5: it is, and we're gonna bust people ass.

1252
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 4: Look at this picture right here. You guys ran into

1253
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 4: the to the Knicks four straight years in the playoffs.

1254
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 2: Uh.

1255
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 4: Van Gundy on the other bench. A lot of history there.

1256
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 4: Zoe talked to us about this, uh this time right here,

1257
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 4: you're right.

1258
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 3: There in the mix. What were those battles like with

1259
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 3: the Knicks, particularly in the playoffs?

1260
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 5: Crazy wild fun.

1261
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 2: Liquen We went to grab too? Oh he grabbing? Ok,

1262
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 2: got all people?

1263
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 5: No Tim, Now, Tim, Tim, I know oak One's gonna

1264
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 5: swing back on because we could anybody else, anybody else,

1265
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 5: I would have probably came with help or something like that.

1266
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 5: But I'm like, come on, oh come on. But yeah, man,

1267
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 5: that that that particular fight that was that was I mean,

1268
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 5: but the fight wasn't And so Larry right, it was

1269
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 5: something different going on with that. I can't say, some

1270
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 5: other ship going on. That was the way back when.

1271
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 5: But they was trying to stop it. But yeah, man,

1272
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 5: it was. It was battles.

1273
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 2: You know.

1274
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 5: It started with Pat leaving and they had a hatred

1275
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 5: for Pat. Talking about Pat rally, Pat right left New York.

1276
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 3: Had King's ransom. He asked for some crazy and got it.

1277
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 5: Look what he built.

1278
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 4: Fifty million dollar contract twenty five hundred dollars per diem

1279
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 4: Limo rise to and from games.

1280
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 5: No, you don't, no, no, take that out. He don't

1281
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 5: get you're talking about from it for the for the

1282
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 5: uh New York Knicks. No, oh no, no, no, no,

1283
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 5: he drives.

1284
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, Mark that scratched that the heat needed to

1285
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:51,919
Speaker 4: buy him out of LA New York Homes.

1286
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 3: Any truth to that.

1287
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 5: No, he still got his LA home Man team president,

1288
01:04:55,960 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 5: head coach. Yes, all that, and there's a billionaire now, yeah,

1289
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 5: he got. He got a lot of paper.

1290
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 3: Packed mafia ties between me and you, pop not far

1291
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 3: from that.

1292
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 5: No, he knows some people. He knows some people. I

1293
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 5: tell you that he knows some people. I'm gonna tell

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Speaker 5: you this, but no, he don't. He don't get. He drives.

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01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 5: He drives sometimes. He drives old cars.

1296
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:20,919
Speaker 2: He drives.

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Speaker 5: He got some nice old cars too. He got some

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01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 5: real nice old cars. He got that one car that

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01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 5: I want that was sevestered salon in it and he

1300
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 5: was uh undercovered police officer. That red thing that dropped

1301
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 5: down had fire come out of it. Yes, boy, that

1302
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 5: car that was a bad car right there.

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01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 2: He would be on my bucket list.

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01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 1: You know, we used to pick the five people want

1305
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: to have dinner with because I can imagine the stories.

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01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,439
Speaker 2: From the farm till now. A lot.

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01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: He has a lot because we played in the preseason

1308
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 1: with Don Nelson and we walked into we played in

1309
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 1: the forum against the Lakers. Kobe Fire met in two

1310
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: minutes that in the first quarde again, but as walking

1311
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 1: he was like.

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Speaker 5: If these walls could talk, yeah, yeah, and I know.

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01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 2: He got yes.

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Speaker 4: Despite the tremendous Hall of Fame career you had, you said,

1315
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 4: if you could remember for one thing, it would be

1316
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 4: that you changed.

1317
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 3: As a man.

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01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 4: Can you speak to us about those changes you made

1319
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 4: over the years or throughout your career, or just as

1320
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 4: you continue to evolve as a man.

1321
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 5: Parenting never stopped and being a husband never stopped. And

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01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 5: I always always always been as me and my brother,

1323
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 5: and I always had to take care of my brother,

1324
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 5: my mom. My parents divorced that when I was a

1325
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 5: young age, when I was sixth grade. So I was

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01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 5: always the man I always had, like I said, take

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01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 5: care of my mom, my brother, and each day is

1328
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 5: it an experience for me?

1329
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 2: You know?

1330
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 5: And I never discount what I said back in two

1331
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 5: thousand and five that really hurt me and really hurt

1332
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 5: my family. I'm talking about my whole family, my parents,

1333
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 5: my brother, his kids, my kids, my wife's family. It

1334
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 5: hurt us all. And I had to really really dig

1335
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 5: deep down and search and I understood I was wrong

1336
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 5: and I had to evolve as a man and don't

1337
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 5: my dad said. My parents, my parents always say, don't

1338
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 5: never shy away from nothing. If you wrong, deal with

1339
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 5: it and make amends and help people, Okay, And That's

1340
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 5: what I've been doing. I hear some people, I'm out.

1341
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 5: I hear some people, I'd be like, yo, ya, y'all

1342
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 5: need to comment down. You need to stop that. That's

1343
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 5: not right, you know. And I make them understand why

1344
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 5: it's not right. You know, they are people too. They

1345
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 5: here to have fun too, and they should. Everybody should

1346
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 5: have fun and enjoy themselves, no matter who they are

1347
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 5: and what they are.

1348
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 2: You know.

1349
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 5: But each day, you know, when I watch my son play,

1350
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 5: I know when he's going to call me. M I

1351
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 5: gotta be up late that night. When my daughters call

1352
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 5: me they got a problem. I gotta deal with the

1353
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 5: problem my mom or my dad, my brother, you know,

1354
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,560
Speaker 5: so they expect, they expect me to be there so

1355
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 5: I gotta be strong for a lot of folks, and

1356
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 5: and I know how to deal with it. You could

1357
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 5: grow up under a rock and not deal with it.

1358
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 5: But this is my family. I'm all about family, and

1359
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take care of my family as as as

1360
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 5: long as God keeps getting me up every day. That's

1361
01:08:58,200 --> 01:08:59,799
Speaker 5: my mission. Take care of my family.

1362
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 2: Love it.

1363
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 5: And that's what it's about. And growing up as a man,

1364
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 5: and and and it's not you know, it's not being

1365
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,640
Speaker 5: a man. There's a lot of women out here that

1366
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 5: that that has a lot on their shoulders, but they

1367
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 5: deal with it and they do what they're supposed to do,

1368
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 5: and it's kudos to them. So it's how you deal

1369
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 5: with it. It's how you deal with it and how

1370
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 5: you could make it better for people. And that's what

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01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 5: I try to do. I try to solve the problem,

1372
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 5: make it better, you know, and make and make them

1373
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 5: understand what it's really going on. But it's gonna be

1374
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 5: all right. It's definitely gonna be all right. Because I'm

1375
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 5: from Chicago, man. I'm telling you what I went through

1376
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 5: and how I had to just make it out of there.

1377
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:55,600
Speaker 5: It was a struggle and with our people behind me

1378
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 5: and giving me confidence and support. When they said to

1379
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 5: a village to raise a kid, it really takes a village.

1380
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 5: But the kid got to listen.

1381
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to buy in.

1382
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 5: You gotta buy in. If you don't buy in, you're

1383
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 5: gonna fall through the cracks. So you gotta listen. And

1384
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 5: I was one that listened, and I understood what I

1385
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 5: need to do to get out and make some numb myself.

1386
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 5: And that's what I keep doing it. And I go

1387
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:21,640
Speaker 5: back and I give back all the time to the

1388
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 5: kids and talk to the kids in Chicago and make

1389
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 5: them understand. Man, it's hard work.

1390
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:28,560
Speaker 3: It was easy everybody to do it.

1391
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: I posted something on my Instagram just wanting to to

1392
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: to test to what you said. I say, don't get

1393
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:36,759
Speaker 1: addicted to escaping. Face your ship, handle your business and triumph.

1394
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,600
Speaker 1: No battles everyone by people who run. That's true, and

1395
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 1: that goes to what you are today.

1396
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 5: That's true.

1397
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 2: You gotta deal with it.

1398
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 5: You gotta deal with you gotta face it. You know,

1399
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 5: if you face it, it's gonna work its way out.

1400
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 5: It's gonna work. If you don't face it, then you

1401
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 5: get deep be there exactly when you.

1402
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 2: Come back to it's still gonna be there.

1403
01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 3: Quick hitters. Last thing before we get you up.

1404
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 2: Three Nike models to wear for the rest of your life.

1405
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 2: What are they?

1406
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 7: Oh?

1407
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:10,759
Speaker 5: Three Nike models. Oh Man air raids of course against

1408
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 5: them now crossovers, original crossovers. Uh. And you know what

1409
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 5: I got, I got. I gotta go with the air George,

1410
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 5: I got to go with the air joints. The uh,

1411
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 5: that's that, the uh the little concords. Now I'm talking

1412
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 5: about the three court eleven yeah, elevens, the small, I mean,

1413
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 5: but the low, the low. They're very comfortable. They very

1414
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 5: come and of course you gotta have air Force ones

1415
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 5: got to you got you got any color of them,

1416
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 5: you got it. They so comfortable, gotta have them.

1417
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 2: What you got on now? Bronze?

1418
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I got? These are very comfortable.

1419
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:53,879
Speaker 6: I got.

1420
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 5: Comfortable ship.

1421
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 3: As we get older, it's less about what they look

1422
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 3: like and what they feel for the screen.

1423
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 5: I'm walking in socks.

1424
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 2: I'm paying for comfort.

1425
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 3: Only one thing you wish you were better at.

1426
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 5: Man, one thing I wish I was better at. You

1427
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 5: know what I want. I want to get better at

1428
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 5: being a parent. You know, it never stops, It never stops.

1429
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 5: And you, and you gotta constantly, constantly, constantly be there

1430
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 5: for them, and you gotta have ways to make them

1431
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,719
Speaker 5: understand how to get out of stuff. So it's parenting.

1432
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 2: I would say music because a lot of videos of you,

1433
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 2: you love R and B. You always sing, and I

1434
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 2: thought you was gonna sing, That's what I said.

1435
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 5: Because you always no. No, I'm not gonna put that.

1436
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 3: One album you could listen to with no skips.

1437
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 5: One album, no skips. I will say, Frankie Beverly, he told.

1438
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 2: You he loved it. R and B. I know, Yeah,

1439
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 2: you can't go wrong with.

1440
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:13,599
Speaker 5: That class man or Off the Wall with Michael Jackson.

1441
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:16,600
Speaker 1: If you can have one guest on Guess on All

1442
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 1: the Smoke, who would it be? But you have to

1443
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 1: help us get your answer on the show, So it's

1444
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 1: gotta be someone you're cool with, Pat whatever, Chris.

1445
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:28,680
Speaker 2: And I don't know how because money knows so much

1446
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 2: about both of us.

1447
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 3: Or if you can get Ahold of the Big Old

1448
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 3: and see if he want to come on the show.

1449
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 5: I mean, right there, you know what I I will say,

1450
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 5: Chris Molley, Yeah, I will say Chris, y'all, y'all have

1451
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 5: a great time. That's got to y'all will have great y'all,

1452
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 5: y'all been here laughing Chris, Chris is funny.

1453
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 1: He's gonna tell some stories that we don't even remember, right, Yes, yes, well.

1454
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 4: Tim man, we appreciate your time. Thank you for finally

1455
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 4: getting a chance to sit down with us. We continue,

1456
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 4: continue blessing to you and your family, and we'll be

1457
01:13:58,400 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 4: rooting for you.

1458
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 3: Man New York. My fifth seven boys comes U and

1459
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 3: l V let me kill Larry. Y'all said, let's go

1460
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 3: ask where we should go, and y'all flooded it.

1461
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 6: Man.

1462
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 3: So we appreciate the love.

1463
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 2: Like that, y'all coming out and showing us love. We

1464
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 2: appreciate y'all. Mm hmmm mm hmm