1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Hello and welcome to the 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: NFL Legends Podcast. My name is Darryl Campbell, former NFL 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: player and current associate producer in NFL Films. I am 5 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: sitting in for our main host, the one and only 6 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame great Anius Williams Um. Today we'll be 7 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: speaking with two awesome and amazing NFL player wives, Shannon 8 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,639 Speaker 1: Whitehead and Desire Vincent Levy. I'm saying that right there 9 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: is right is it? LEVI? Is that Levy? See Bayham 10 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: already messed it up from the jump, but that's okay. 11 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: Set in Whitehead and desire Vincent Levy. Um. They will 12 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: shed light and inside on how they manage things that 13 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: arise in the NFL household, from parenthood to social justice initiatives, 14 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen pandemic, RELO location, trying to stay sane with kids, 15 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: and all sorts of things rolling around. But I think 16 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: at the core of this, when we get done, we 17 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: want to have a better understanding of who you are, 18 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: your voices, and let's just jump right into it first 19 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,559 Speaker 1: and foremost full transparency. This thing was supposed to happen 20 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: a long time ago, and it is my fault wholeheartedly. 21 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: My schedule has not been forgiven, and I apologize for that. 22 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: Lady here, you know how you know it's it's crazy, 23 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: and I know you guys can understand because things are 24 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: just popping off left and right. Um, but yeah, it 25 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: should have haven a long time ago. And I'm just 26 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: glad and blessed that you guys are on. Um, dad's 27 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: got the butter whipped, that's spinning up into the top. 28 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: I love it. You know, was saying she got the 29 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: hair down. She would have had the bonding on this, 30 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: and she would have had the bonding on us. Let's 31 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: jump right into it. I want to get to know 32 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: you guys. I want your voices to be heard. Let's 33 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: talk about your husband's let's talk about how you guys 34 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: have met, and let's just get a little bit of 35 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: your story. Sin you went first. I was seventeen when 36 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: I met my husband. Um, he had a crush on me. 37 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: I don't really want them, but we're here now right now. Um, yeah, 38 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: I was seventeen. Um, we grew up in Jersey, both 39 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: Jersey kids. Um, and yeah, it's it's it's been on 40 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: and on from then. Uh, he went to Temple, I 41 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: went to Morgan State until he got drafted. Um we 42 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: got drafted. I say we because it's been a team 43 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: effort since day one. Um, he got drafted by the 44 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: team and pulled me right along with him. We first 45 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: started off in Detroit, the Detroit Lions. Um we played 46 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: there for six years. Um. Originally I was at Morgan 47 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: when he got drafted, but he said he wasn't going 48 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: without me, and I gotta finish school. So I ended 49 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: up transferring to um see Central Michigan University, and I've 50 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: graduated from there. I'm sorry and A yeah, it's the 51 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: best is still in written. So we're going. We're still 52 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: going going strong today. And uh so, so Shannon, your 53 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: husband's name is tire tire white head is am I 54 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 1: saying that I don't want to. You said it right, Whitehead? Um, 55 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: who's he played for? How long has he been playing? 56 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: Dropped that on me? So it'll be it's nine years 57 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: this year. Um we were we started off again with Detroit, 58 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: then we went to the Raiders for two years, and 59 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: now we are with the Carolina Panthers. Um, we're doing good. 60 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: So we're in North Carolina. We're in Charlotte right now. Awesome, Awesome, 61 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: talk to me. Yep. So, my husband's name is DeAndre Levy. Um. 62 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: We actually were in Detroit and tie here. Um, but 63 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: we met in college freshman year. We lived in the 64 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: same dorm area at u W Madison. We didn't actually 65 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: date in college, we were friends. UM stayed in touch 66 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: and then some years after actually um, I was living 67 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: in New York and he was in Detroit, and we 68 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: started a long distance relationship that eventually closed in on 69 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: me moving to Detroit, and we got married and have 70 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: been building a life here um ever since. Awesome. Let's 71 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: talk about the next thing. Let's talk about family, man. 72 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the babies. You got four of them. 73 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: You you, you, you are all removed from a pumpkin 74 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: patch right now, Nanny, I need to hear about them 75 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: from well. My life is a circus. We four boys. 76 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: A lot of people ask me all the time how 77 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: I do it. I don't. I just roll with the punches. 78 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: You just keep it moving the best way. You know how, 79 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: You try your best and you pray the rest. That's 80 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: what I say all the time. And it's just it's 81 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: it's it's a revolving door, something always going on. Um, 82 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: it's a lot of fun. But you had to also 83 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: laugh when it's not fun, because if not, you'll lose 84 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: your mind. But we have four little boys. We have 85 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,119 Speaker 1: a six month old, we have a three year old, 86 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: we have a six year old, and we have eleven 87 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: year old. Took me twelve next month. Mhm, nice, nice? Alright, 88 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: does you already know I'm coming for the cheeks on you? 89 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: Because that little baby girl got them? You know what 90 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: she tell me about it? Um. We had our first baby, 91 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: uh in March with twenty nineteen. Her name is Rosie 92 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: got that is pregnant. How you doing that? No? We 93 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: now we got to rewind what you mean talking about you? Now? 94 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: This is fun story. So me Andre, we were where 95 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: were we coming from? Who knows? We were coming from Paris? 96 00:05:55,839 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: The travel coples coming from Paris always they're always somewhere. 97 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: It's crazy, never ever in my life. Yeah, but we 98 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: were coming from Paris and we had our layover actually 99 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, and we just didn't tell the white heads. 100 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: They knew we lived there, but they didn't tell us. 101 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: Hold on, y'all lived at this No there, No, we 102 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: were all walking through the airport and we like so random, 103 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: random to Shannon and time here, and I feel like 104 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: we started talking and I think maybe told you that, 105 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: you know, we were thinking about trying to have our 106 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: first child or something like that. And then Shannon told 107 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: me how every time she interacts with someone, they end 108 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: up pregnant. Um. But I told her to rub my 109 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: quote I said, just touched my hand and she was 110 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: like what. I was like, touched my head. It's nothing crazy, 111 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: it's not I'm just the Lord has just blessed me 112 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: to be fruitful. And I just listened. I said, go 113 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: I said watch, it's like weird. I said, go ahead, 114 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: and I said, touch my You'll be pregnant next month. 115 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: And do you know that she caught me. I was like, 116 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: you'll never believe this, and she's like, we're pregnant. Oh again, 117 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: got a pregnant. It's it's weird. It's weird. But I 118 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: just think I just like, I truly believe that you 119 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: speak things into existence and we have positive energy, positive people, 120 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: and I pray for my people, and I just I 121 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: was like, watch, you're gonna be pregnant. And then just 122 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: like that just like that really was but like so, 123 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: but just to be technical, um, I was doing the math. 124 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: I was technically just love killing on it here. Well, 125 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: i'll tell you what. Let me can I get saying it? 126 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: Can I just get a digital high five right now? 127 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: Just because I want to have a baby girl and 128 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: I need that. I don't know none about girls, even 129 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: though she had a girl, I don't look. I can try. 130 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: We can try lose am that I got two of them. 131 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: That way I can. Yeah, there we go. All right, Well, girl, 132 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: I need your help with with the girls. I need 133 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: everybody's help with the girl. You're trying to get one too. 134 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: We we now, I want to girl. I never wanted 135 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: a girl before. I always said that I wanted all 136 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: boys first, and then I would do a girl. Do 137 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: a girl because she might be a lot. I'm a lot. Okay, 138 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: all right? UH want the boy? You want? You on 139 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: the best of both worlds day. You're trying to get 140 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: a boy with you know whatever, whatever we're blessed with, 141 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: I'll be happy with. That's it. That's all right. Next 142 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: up on the doc, let's let's jump into this COVID 143 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: because it's affecting everybody. Thousand cases reported daily. We're shuffling 144 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: broadcasts around just so we can get games because you know, 145 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: players are you know they're contracting this thing. Um. It 146 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: was so good in the beginning and now I just 147 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: like it was crazy, Like it was like it was 148 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: we thought it was cool, smooth ceiling, and then bam 149 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: we get our first second. It's unbell lievable. But how 150 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: are we coping with that family saying like, I know 151 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: you gotta tell you you know, tiers out there bawling 152 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: doing this thing. I mean, how are you nervous? Are you? 153 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: How you how you handling this thing? UM proceeding with caution, 154 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: We just Um he doesn't come home until he's tested negative, 155 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: which is kind of midweek, and even then it's still 156 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: a risk. He kind of walks around with a mask 157 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 1: all day. He really doesn't interact with our baby, UM 158 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: because he's again six months and you'd have to hold him. 159 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: So it's just been really just it hasn't been fun. Um. 160 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: We're getting through it. Our team has not had any 161 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: to my knowledge, UM, which I think I know, but 162 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: UM hasn't had any players that UM tested positive for 163 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: the virus, So we've been good thus far. But I 164 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: know a lot of teams that we have UM or 165 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: are going to play, or a lot of other teams 166 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: in the NFL have tested positive. And it's been really 167 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: are wrecking for a lot of the women. I know. 168 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: In the beginning, UM, everybody was just super nervous about it. 169 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: It actually went off pretty well in the beginning, but 170 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: now it just seems like everything's crumbling. Um. Some women 171 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: are with their husbands this season because of it. UM, 172 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: and the NFL has really tried their best, and I'm 173 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: I definitely appreciate their efforts in trying to get us 174 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 1: connected with our husband. Still I am here, but a 175 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: lot of women did not come. UM. I know one 176 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: girl that her husband purchased a trailer on their their 177 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: their land so that he can be home without really 178 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: being home. UM. Yeah, So it's just been weird, just 179 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: weird things that we've kind of had to come up with. Tired, 180 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: we don't sleep together in the same bed, and if 181 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: ever it's been long enough since he's you know, quarantined 182 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: and tested negative consistently, we might sleep He'll sleep with 183 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: his feet towards me and his head the other way. 184 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: It's just we've just come up with different things to 185 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: kind of just ensure everyone's safety. Um, and it really 186 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: really stinks. It really stinks. It's been rough, but we're 187 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: trying to get through it. So straight. He hasn't even 188 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: held the baby yet because of the COVID stuff without 189 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: a mask, I mean until unless it's been because for 190 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: my understanding, the way the virus works, it can live 191 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: dormant in your body for a couple of days. So 192 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: he maybe, like towards the end of the week, he'll 193 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: interact a little more, but when he comes from from game, well, 194 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: he doesn't come home from games, and then eventually he'll 195 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: come home wear a mask for a while, and right 196 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: before the next game is when he finally feels comfortable 197 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: enough to interact. But then we're going right back in. 198 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: So maybe a couple of days out the week, right, man, Wow, 199 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: that's crue. I wouldn't know what to do if I 200 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: can hold my baby boy or just even my wife. 201 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: Man sleeping, I know, I sleep wild anyway, so I 202 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: probably I do all types of damage. But anyway, that's 203 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 1: neither here nor there. Plus my feet ain't really all 204 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: that great anyway, him, that's just a lot of years 205 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: on them. Um. Yes, talk to me about how you 206 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: feeling about this COVID stuff and everything, especially with the 207 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: baby girl, and you know, talk to me. Yeah, So 208 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: I won't um like be in close quarters with anyone 209 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: unless I know and I like I need hard facts 210 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: and receipts straight up all being tested. The mutual space 211 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: is safe. But my daughter, she hasn't been um in 212 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: a store or anything like that probably since early March now, 213 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 1: just because she's at that age where like everything goes 214 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: in her mouth and she's and I would make it 215 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: a headache, you know, going to the grocery store or 216 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: to Target or anything like that. But so one thing 217 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: I just wanted to add to mental health is at 218 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: top of mind for me, especially as we're going into 219 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: the wintertime, because historically I've dealt with seasonal effective disorder. 220 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: So one of the things that I've been talking with 221 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: my counselor about a lot is just being proactive and 222 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: like coming up what's my strategy. So, like, the one 223 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: thing that we talked about was what she's calling like 224 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: owning the season. And one of the ways that I'm 225 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: gonna own the season is walk every day, so it 226 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: doesn't matter if it's raining, snowing, cold, whatever, I'm gonna 227 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: get up and I'm going to commit to myself to 228 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: walking for thirty minutes every day. Um, just as one 229 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: of my tactics to kind of manage mental health within 230 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: the wintertime. But then with the layer of you know, 231 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: COVID on top of that and just all of the 232 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: anxiety and things like that that are um related to it. 233 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: And I agree with that. I know a couple of 234 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: my friends they've gotten into meditation real tough. And I 235 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: didn't really know what it was. And I thought, it's like, 236 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: you know, when you watch like old school Samurai show 237 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: Down Samurai Samurai Sunday, you see the the ninjas just 238 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: sitting there just like doing their thing, you know, And 239 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: I thought that was what meditation is. And I'm like, 240 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: I ain't doing that in my office. That ain't gonna 241 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: it ain't gonna suffice. But when I learned a little 242 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: bit more about it and I tried to get and 243 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: I gave it a chance, it was something that actually 244 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: can you help you decompress and you know, get in 245 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 1: a mental space where you can, like you said, you 246 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: just win the day, you know what I mean sees today, Um, Sanna, 247 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: do you do anything like that? I mean, you got 248 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: four boys. I can Oh, you need that for real 249 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: talk to me. So it's every day is a battle. 250 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: Every day is different. But UM, I think we talked 251 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: about this a while ago. For the first time ever, 252 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: I hired a nanny. I hired a nanny because I 253 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: am in the process of doing some things for myself 254 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: for the first time ever, UM and getting in touch 255 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: with myself. If I didn't have her, I wouldn't been 256 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: able to do anything. So I'm still trying to find 257 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: my way and figure out what works for me. But 258 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: before her, I had zero time to myself. UM. So 259 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: that's the biggest UM. As a mom. I realized that 260 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: if I'm not good, nobody else is, including my husband. 261 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: If I'm not straight, UM, and I haven't taken care 262 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: of my mental everything else is going to fall apart. 263 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: So my answer to you is, no, I don't have 264 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: anything in specific, UM, but I'm working on figuring out 265 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: what it is. But I definitely make sure that there 266 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: is a certain time every day that I get to 267 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: spend with just myself, whether it's going to the grocery 268 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: store by myself, whether it's um painting my toe nails, 269 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: which I can't do, whether it's just literally just just 270 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: whatever it is that day that I want to do, 271 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: I do it by myself and I can focus on me, 272 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: even if it's just sitting outside and looking at the birds. 273 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: That's what I'm gonna do. So it's important, It's definitely important. 274 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: Can we tell we can we talk about that that 275 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: one piece where you said, you know, hey, you gotta 276 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: take you gotta take care of your husband too, Because 277 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: let me just go ahead and put this out there. 278 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: This is the only part of this whole thing I'm 279 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: gonna make about me. And this this is because it's 280 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: my wife too. I am a giant toddler. Okay, I 281 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: am a giant baby when it comes to any and 282 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: everything that goes on in my household. If it wasn't 283 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: for my wife, I wouldn't even be here. I wouldn't 284 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: be doing this, you know what I mean. So can 285 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: we talk about that piece? How it's not just Shannon 286 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: with your four boys, You gotta fifth entire year. Okay, 287 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: And you know, I can't speak for DeAndre, but I 288 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: know that all of us players are in that giant 289 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: tydler phase and it never goes away. Talk about that 290 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: piece for a for a second. It is the same 291 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: way with them ever grow up. I tell people that, 292 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: and I might getting concur we don't. I'm getting trumble 293 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: for that later. What do you mean? But you know what, um, 294 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: strong neck, what do you mean? I don't. I don't. 295 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: He's not don't get me wrong. He is the leader 296 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: of our family. He is an excellent leader. But every 297 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: head needs a neck and every other body. Absolutely, I 298 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: definitely hold it down seriously, wife like right the neck. 299 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: But I totally um a great I I tell people 300 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: all the time when I'm kind of aggravated, I said, 301 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: I got four kids, not including my husband. Um. But 302 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: at the same time, UM, I just he's the leader 303 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: of the home, but I am the maker of the home. 304 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: So just to double back when when I'm not good, 305 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: I realized that I set the tone in the home. 306 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: If I have anxiety, if I am frantic, if I 307 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: am unhappy, if I am aggravated, it literally is like 308 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: a domino effect. Everything starts to collapse. I noticed that, Um, 309 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: when I'm tired. If I don't, if I'm tired or 310 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: something's bothering me, my patience level depreciates, you know, it's 311 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: it goes. So that is one important thing that I 312 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: learned that I have to and it's gonna sound so crazy. 313 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: I have to put myself first because when I put 314 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: myself first and make sure that Shannon is well rested, 315 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: Shannon is fad. I forget to eat. I forget to 316 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: eat um, and then I'm breastfeeding. So it's like when 317 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: you forget to eat, you gotta the baby sucking the 318 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: life out of you. And then it's like, I'm really 319 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: just out of it. So when I put myself first, 320 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: and again that was a that was hiring it in. 321 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: That was just saying, hey, I'm realizing the pattern here 322 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: um that my husband I he comes home from work 323 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 1: and my energies immediately transferred to him. So everything just 324 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: started going. I said, you know what, I need to 325 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: just start putting myself first in a weird way. Yes, 326 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: my I'm putting my family first by putting me first. 327 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: That makes sense. That makes absolute sense. There's you got 328 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: any chime or that you feel like you gotta have 329 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: those moments where you gotta put yourself first when you 330 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: come home. You know, well, I feel like putting yourself 331 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: first as a constant, always, an ongoing um, the thing 332 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: that I hold on to where I can't remember if 333 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: I got this from my mom or for someone else. 334 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: But you can't serve or pour from an empty cup. 335 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: So you need to make sure all the ways that 336 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: you need to be well to show up in the world, 337 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: to show up in your family or wherever else you 338 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: need to show up that you are well. And I 339 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: mean I know myself best to know what those things are, 340 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: how how I feel when I'm showing up in a 341 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: full way. UM. So one of the things that we, 342 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: after some um, really detailed discussions, have we worked out 343 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: is having a schedule UM, which I know that's not 344 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: realistic for everyone because everyone doesn't have like, you know, 345 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: two parents at home and only one working right now 346 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: or whatever. But we have a schedule basically Monday through Thursday. 347 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: We split the day at two thirty, so one half 348 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: of the day, UM DeAndre has taking the lead with 349 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: our daughter. Some of that my hands are free to 350 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: just do whatever that is, Like if it's me needing 351 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: to work, me needing to just take care of me 352 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: or work out or whatever it is, I can do 353 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: that um. And then we split the day UM so 354 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: that h DeAndre has seen say it is free to 355 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: do and focus on whatever he needs to focus on, 356 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: and then on Friday's I have a full day, Saturday, 357 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: he has a full day, and then Sunday is our 358 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: family day. UM. So that's how we split the week, 359 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: and since we've been really committed to that timeline, it's 360 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,959 Speaker 1: worked out really well. Um with someone being you know, 361 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: focused and attended to our daughter, but then also both 362 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: of us just having the time and freedom to do 363 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: what we need to do. That's pretty cool. I should 364 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: be taking notes to this right now because implement that 365 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: right you know what I'm saying. I need that hairdresser 366 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: can't catch me on Friday. I got up and he's 367 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: gonna have to Just I'll tell you what you know. 368 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: Being on with y'all, I mean, I'm feeling like it's 369 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: Friday today. Man. I'm just I'm soaking this all in. 370 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: I need this right now. I appreciate you'all for real. Um. Next, 371 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 1: next on the doctor, we got social justice and community 372 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: service initiatives. Talk to me each of you about everything 373 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: that you're involved with with respective social justice community service 374 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: day is. I'm gonna start with you what you've got going. Yeah, well, 375 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: so I guess I'll start where I am right now. 376 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: So currently, UM, I work, I've worked since my daughter's 377 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: and born. I work freelance. UM. So currently I have 378 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: a contract with the Michigan Voting Coalition UM on their 379 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: election protection program, and I've been spearheading all of their 380 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: creative work in the community. So we have a public 381 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: arts initiative that's been rolling out in its murals and 382 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: six cities across Michigan that has a high population of 383 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: historically disenfranchised voters. UM. We're also recruiting pole workers and 384 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: UM we've been writing now your Rights guides and a 385 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 1: whole slet of things that is focused on educating voters 386 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: in Michigan of their options to cast their ballots UM 387 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: early and on the elect on election Day on November three. UM. 388 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna be doing that, Yeah, I guess through 389 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: the rest of the year more or less. I mean 390 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: obviously the election of November three, but that's not my 391 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: primary focus, and then all of the follow up after UM. 392 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: But outside of that, Deander and I have a scholarship 393 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: that we started in Detroit called the Regenerated Detroit Scholarship, 394 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: and it's a full tuition UM culinary arts scholarship for 395 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 1: students from the Detroit Food Academy that would like to 396 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: pursue food or culinary arts as a professional career. UM 397 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: that started, oh man, now wow four years ago. He 398 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: feels like a lot longer um. But outside of that, 399 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 1: that's we we I mean, we certainly give our time 400 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: and our resources to organizations and people who you know, 401 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: we're doing work in community to fortify and lift up 402 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: the efforts that that they have. But outside of that, 403 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: we've kind of just in this moment um have more 404 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: or less beon being still just to see what the 405 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: what are the emerging needs in the Detroit and the 406 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: Traite community from COVID because every day there's something new 407 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: and just kind of keeping a close postal on that 408 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: to see what makes the most sense to support UM. 409 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: And that's mostly in the spirit of not feeling like 410 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: the need to recreate the wheel and that there are 411 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: people who are in a lot closer proximity to issues 412 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: that the community Detroit are experiencing. So just trusting their leading, 413 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: their judgment on what they need and supporting that. I 414 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: think that's the for for everybody that's listening to this. 415 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: The first step to any type of change that we 416 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: want to see out here, get to them, pose and vote. Okay, 417 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: that's what we need to do for sure. Oh yeah, Shan, 418 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: what you got. I know you involved. Know both of 419 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 1: you and Tire are involved some things. Talk to me 420 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,719 Speaker 1: all over anything that comes our way, any opportunity that 421 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 1: comes our way we're taking part in. Whether it's a 422 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: friends um fundraiser or reading to it's just anything that 423 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: we can get into, we do. We probably spread ourselves 424 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: tooth in. Um we are in the process. I know. 425 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: They just called me today. Tiger has a recreational center 426 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: in North New Jersey that was named after him because 427 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: we do so much with them. They actually that's his 428 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: building now because he does so much for his city. Um. 429 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: He literally says that he wears his city on his 430 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: bag and he does everything he does he does for 431 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: our home like you know for Jersey, for Nork, he 432 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 1: does for Nork. So Um, we always say Jersey raised us. 433 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: So we're big on home. Um. But um everything they 434 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: just called us today about doing it. Yeah. Last year 435 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: we did a Turkey Um. We we put on I 436 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: think for like four or five dred people. We through 437 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving dinner and we're doing it again this year. Of course, 438 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: we had to do it in a different way UM 439 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: this year because of COVID. UM we gave At one 440 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: point when COVID was really really when the whole country 441 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: was shut down, we UM fed UH UM Home and 442 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: Shelter for Children. UM. We fed them for a week 443 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: because they said that they had relied so heavily on 444 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: the schools to feed the kids. This was when no 445 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: one had figured anything figured out. Now everything is a 446 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: little bit better, but they relied heavily on breakfast and 447 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: lunch being given at school, and they fed the kids dinner. 448 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: We decided to step in and say hey, because they 449 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: were it was a food shortage. UM. It was just 450 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: a lot of different things that we did. COVID has 451 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: really made it hard to do a lot of things. 452 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: We put on a carnival and a football camp, and 453 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: then here does a segment where he brings in police officers, 454 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,719 Speaker 1: he brings in UM lawyers, he brings in UM public 455 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: health administered, he brings in a lot of different people 456 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: UM financial people to teach the kids financial literacy. He 457 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: does this whole big convention weekend. We were unable to 458 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: do that this weekend this year because of COVID, So 459 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: we do so many different things, but COVID has really 460 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: just been in the way. So we're trying our best 461 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: to stay involved. But right now he can't go anywhere, 462 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: he can't do anything. Uh So we're trying. We're trying, 463 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: but we we definitely, UM, we get involved in anything 464 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 1: we can do. I know Christmas is coming and that's 465 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: really gonna be crappy because, um, we do a lot 466 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: during Christmas. We take kids. Last year, I think we 467 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: took three two hundred something kids shopping, um, and then 468 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: just for toys. This year, I actually, UM, my plan 469 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 1: is to give money to single mothers. UM. We are 470 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: trying to coordinate that now because I believe that as 471 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: a mom, one of the hardest things I couldn't imagine 472 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: not being able to provide for my kids on Christmas. 473 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: It's one thing when the kids know that it's being 474 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: given to some big in their eyes, big rich NFL player, 475 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: that's cool. But to wake up on Christmas and feel 476 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: like your mom and your dad or Santa whoever. I 477 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: don't I don't know, but you don't have anything on 478 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: Christmas Day that you think gifts from santor you think 479 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: it's from your parents. As hard as a mother UM, 480 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine because Christmas morning, when the kids wake up, UM, 481 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: it's everything. So I wanted to instead of giving we 482 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,959 Speaker 1: could still do the kids, but instead I wanted to 483 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: give single moms or single parents, because it's not just 484 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: single moms out here. There are some single dads that 485 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: are really doing it. UM. I wanted to give them 486 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: the opportunity to go and buy gifts for their children 487 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: so that they could then give it to their kids 488 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: like it's from them, and it is from them. UM. 489 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to do this year. I wanted 490 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: to work with single parents that are struggling. UM. So 491 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: we're still trying to find a way to do that, UM. 492 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: And so really any which way we can, we're just 493 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 1: trying to get involved. As if you got anything, send 494 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: it my way. And seriously, UM, we're just trying to 495 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: do everything we do every We really do too much, probably, 496 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: but we're trying to trying to get it in find 497 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: folksing back to the your voices and and I think 498 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: it would be important for legends to hear this UM 499 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: from you guys obviously, UM, can we talk about how 500 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,719 Speaker 1: your husbands are sounding boards for your voice to advocates 501 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: for you, champions for you. Can we talk about that 502 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: a little bit, Yes, let's let's let's start with you 503 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: in DeAndre. Yeah. So, UM, I don't think that Deonder 504 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: and I would be together if he were looking for 505 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: or expecting me to be an individual that UM didn't 506 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: share or have my own thoughts in my own opinions. Um, 507 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: that was actually one of the things that attracted me 508 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: most of him, like when we kind of started talking 509 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: and eventually started dating. It's just he was such a 510 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: fan of like my development, UM, in my career. He 511 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: was your fan. I saw, I saw how you just 512 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: dropped that in the in the section I saw that 513 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: he was. He was such a fan of I mean 514 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: everything that I have going on and even now, like 515 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: the ideas that come to mind or different boards that 516 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: I joined or whatever. He's a he's a he's a 517 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: great support system and I was able to be that 518 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: for him, you know when he was actively playing and 519 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: now that he's been in this transition, you know, finding 520 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: his his next step and when he has inklings of 521 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: where what that might be or the direction he might go, 522 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: I feel excited because I'm like excited for him to 523 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: figure this this what kind of feels like a puzzle piece, 524 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: UM the next move out. So that's not UM something 525 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: that I've been particularly challenged with with him. But I 526 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: also know that for any variety of reasons, that's not 527 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: the case for for everyone UM. And I think if 528 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: I'm were to part anything on record, just want to 529 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: say that every UM partner who's attached to a player 530 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: is firsthand experiencing this life of football UM off the field, 531 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: and sometimes might even be the experts on what life 532 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: of football off the field is. So their voices for that, 533 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: and because of their own desires, should be listened to 534 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: and should be honored UM for for what it is. 535 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: Senna talk to me about t I know he'd be 536 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: he'd be publing one on my phone right now. See 537 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: when he gets when they get a break. I kindly 538 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: answered the phone. He heard that we were doing something, 539 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: and he ended up sitting a text like I am 540 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: doing me right now and it feels so good UM, 541 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: And he loves it. He pushes for it. UM. Is 542 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: he used to it? No, because now we have to 543 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: balance versus before it was like hey babe, I got this, 544 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: this this, and I was like, wait, hold on, I 545 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: got this, this, this, we gotta figure it out. Um. 546 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, sorry, baby, now he's gonna watch this to 547 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: me like, oh that's okay, I get it now. Um, 548 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: I I love doing me. I never imagined in a 549 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: million years that I would be doing the football white thing. Um. 550 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: Tier went to a smaller school. Well it was now 551 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: it's like Temple's bigger, But when he went, it was 552 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: considered a smaller school and it wasn't Clemson, it wasn't 553 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: you know, Alabama. So it was like he just really 554 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: came from a city where he got it out the 555 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: mud and just wanted to kind of be somebody great. 556 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: And he was like, I'll be a state trooper, you know. 557 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get a degree and that's what 558 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: I'm told I gotta do, and I'm trying to make 559 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: it out. And then this NFL thing came along. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. 560 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: I had my own dreams, I had my own um ambition. 561 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: So now I'm finally getting to it. After taking a 562 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: break from what I wanted to do for the longest 563 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: to kind of adjust and get him where he needed 564 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: to be or support him in getting where he needed 565 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: to be. I'm doing me now, So it feels great. UM. 566 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: I know a lot of women we struggle for a 567 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: while in the NFL finding ourselves and finding our voice. UM. 568 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: And some men don't know how to support Um they're women. 569 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: They don't know how. They don't know how. It may 570 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: not be that they just simply don't want to. They 571 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: don't know how. UM. And then it's hard. It's just 572 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: hard being a homemaker and loving our kids the way 573 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: we're supposed to or the way it's said that we're 574 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: supposed to. UM. It just can create so much different thing, 575 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: so many different things. But it's important to take time 576 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: out to focus on yourself, to do something for yourself, 577 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: and to not lose yourself in the midst of him. 578 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: I'm his partner, he's my partner. Um, he's my biggest fan, 579 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: just like I'm his biggest fan. UM. And I think again, 580 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: it just falls back on if I'm not good, no 581 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: one else's and my dreams. Really, growing up, when I 582 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: was a little girl, I never said I wanted to 583 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: be a football life. That was never a thing. That 584 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: was never who I wanted to be. So I had 585 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: to remember that and say, hey, Shannon is somebody and 586 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: Shannon needs to. I want my kids to look back 587 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: and say, Wow, my mom did her thing too. UM. 588 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: You know it's important. But he is, He's right on that, 589 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: He's right with that, and I don't. I think he 590 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: enjoys having a strong life. UM. He loves bragging about 591 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: his wife just as like, just as well as I 592 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: like ragging about him. So it's a it's a it's 593 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: a partnership. It's a partnership. I definitely like he'll he'll 594 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: he'll do the autographs and do the waves, but I'm 595 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: the one behind the scenes making it all happen. And 596 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: he knows that it wouldn't be good without me, and 597 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be good without him. So we're partners. I 598 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: love that. I love that one thing that UM, I 599 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: just want to like add to talking from like the 600 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: other side of the game. So on the retirement side 601 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: of things, UM, something that's really important. Uh. I know 602 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,959 Speaker 1: that like in the Legends community, this is really communicated 603 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: to players, but like thinking about your next step, figuring 604 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: out the ways that you can from your seat as 605 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: a player, UM, take advantage of all the resources at 606 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: the NFL offers for that. On the other side, that 607 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: goes to me, that's very true for UM the partners 608 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: and wives of players as well, because if on the 609 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,720 Speaker 1: other side of the game, you know, for example, DeAndre 610 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 1: is figuring out his next step, if I were also 611 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,439 Speaker 1: just now for the first time thinking through what's next 612 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: for me, on top of him thinking about what's next 613 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 1: for him, it could create uh a lot of challenges 614 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: uh in our home. And I think me having some 615 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: of my own interests and my career kind of going 616 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: and developed, UM, it created a degree of stability so 617 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: that once he transitioned, you know, he had that space 618 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: and has a space to focus, but I had my 619 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: mind occupied elsewhere because I have things going on for myself. UM. 620 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: And I think that when when he was playing, that 621 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: there were opportunities that I wish that if I had 622 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: thought more about it, UM, Like for example, I went 623 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 1: to business academy. I wish that I would have taken 624 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: advantage of that while he was playing, UM, just to 625 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: see if there were different things that we could have 626 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: done while he was still an active player, because your platform, 627 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: you still have a platform, you know, after retirement, but 628 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: it's not always the same UM as when you're an 629 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: active player. So just like thinking hard about what are 630 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,439 Speaker 1: things that would benefit me and benefit my family right 631 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: now that we should be and could be seizing being 632 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: a part of this NFL family and for all the 633 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: legends that are listening to this key word partnership. Okay, partnership. 634 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: And these two lovely ladies are unbelievable partners to their 635 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: NFL player husbands. But at the same time they understand 636 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: that it's it's a two way street. They can't do 637 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: none without them, and you know, we can't do none 638 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: without y'all. That's just how it is. So um, I 639 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 1: want that to be known to everybody as we wand down. Ladies, 640 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: this has been awesome. I want to know what's next 641 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: for both of y'all individually as a family, what you 642 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: got going on? Basically, what I want to say is 643 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to miss nothing in this podcast. I 644 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: don't want nothing to slip through the cracks. You know 645 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: that I miss anything. Let's can we choose estable slightly 646 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,720 Speaker 1: back onto the social the social injustice part. We already 647 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: we were already in there. We want to go ahead, dad, 648 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,839 Speaker 1: but let's do it. Want to do it now? Um, 649 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: I don't know who is going to be watching this 650 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: whether it's player, whether it's retired player, whether it's don't 651 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: stop using your voice. Um, I just I'm tired of 652 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: that narrative. I'm trying to change it, even if it's 653 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: just me by myself. Every time I get a chance 654 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,240 Speaker 1: to have the conversation, I'm having it. I'm not backing 655 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: away from it. Um, keep using your voice because even 656 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: if it's negative feedback, it's feedback that means it's being 657 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: talked about and the only way it gets the attention 658 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: that it deserves is the conversation. Um. And I just 659 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: I'm tired of seeing we love the fans. I mean, 660 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 1: we're nothing without fans. But at the same time, these 661 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: players are not just players, They're not just athletes. They 662 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: have families. I have four black sons. Let's have the 663 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: conversation because when you take off that uniform, they are 664 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 1: exactly who they were born. Um. They are black males 665 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: majority of them. So it's it's it's it's one of 666 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: those things that it has to be talked about. I 667 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,439 Speaker 1: just want people to stop the whole narrative of shut 668 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: up in play. That has to stop. It has it 669 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: bothers me to my core because um, it's just it's 670 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: not a political issue, has nothing to do with it's 671 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: politics because the laws need to be changed and be 672 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: made to benefit all. Um. And that's just a whole 673 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: different conversation. But I know that was one of the 674 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: topics that we decided to discuss. And I don't want 675 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: to let down I don't want to let up one 676 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: that or that we have the conversation. Um. And if 677 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 1: you are someone who understands what's going on, it is 678 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 1: your job to educate others. So um, yeah, I just 679 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: had to say that, I'm sorry, you made a huge point. Uh, 680 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 1: this ain't politics politics, this is this is human decency. 681 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: This is respect for your fellow man. This is respect 682 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: for people. You know what I'm saying, especially are black men. 683 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 1: And it's real, this whole it doesn't exist thing, it exists. 684 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: I grew up in an area where I had to 685 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,240 Speaker 1: deal with it. I've seen it firsthand. I've heard about 686 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: it from family members. I've just we it. Just it's real. 687 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: It's real. And the minute we start accepting that it's 688 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: real and start truly putting ourselves. I don't care what 689 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: color your skin is, you put yourself in a certain 690 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: predicament and imagine it being you or one of your children, 691 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: and you're gonna feel really differently. Um, it's real, it's real. 692 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 1: So I just had to say that it's it's real. 693 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 1: It's real. It is real. You can you can't watch 694 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: what happened to George Floyd having some officers on his 695 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 1: neck for eight minutes and forty some seconds and not 696 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,359 Speaker 1: feel something and know that there's not a problem going 697 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: on in America. You can and then to see other 698 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: videos just like the George Foyd video, where there are 699 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: other um people that aren't black males that get stopped 700 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: for something else just worse ten times worse than what 701 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,959 Speaker 1: George Floyd was stopped for, and they're fine and they're 702 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 1: taking into custody. And I know, I saw one video 703 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 1: where a kid, a grown man, hopped out of a 704 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 1: car and beat up to police officers, hopped in the car, 705 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: installed the police car, not his car, hopped in the 706 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: police car. You know, I know, you know, Betty, I'm 707 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: talking about Dad's I wish I knew the kid's name, 708 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 1: but he stole the police car. And I said, oh wow. 709 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 1: And I had that been anyone else that was of 710 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: a different skin complexion, they would have been killed and 711 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 1: that's just the truth. And I'm tired of sugarcoating the situations. 712 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: It's gotta stop. I just don't I don't understand it. 713 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 1: There's I know you had to staying on this because 714 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,399 Speaker 1: we talk about it. Um. Yeah. I think one thing 715 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: that I read that really put this in great context 716 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: is the racial injustice in the United States is not 717 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,279 Speaker 1: going to change until people who are not experiencing it 718 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: don't view it as something that they just need to 719 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: sympathize and empathize with and see it as their problem 720 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: to fix as well. So, you know, if black men 721 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 1: continue to be gunned down, um, black women gunned down 722 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: and not even talked about, um, because the focus is 723 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: always on the man. But black people gunned down, we're 724 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: now seeing it on video and all the ways that 725 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: we have the ability to capture, like from our pocket. 726 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,880 Speaker 1: But this is a storied history. So the engagement in 727 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 1: the the will to you know, be on the in 728 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 1: the posture of like doing something about it. It has 729 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,320 Speaker 1: to be beyond you know, the next time something goes viral, 730 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,919 Speaker 1: because then we're just waiting until the next thing when 731 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,080 Speaker 1: we need to be doing everything that we can and 732 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 1: from changing hearts and minds to change the laws and policies, 733 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: like Shannon said, for things to change into and to 734 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 1: get better. Yeah, and and and I see so many 735 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,360 Speaker 1: comments to bring it back to the player in the 736 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: NFL aspect, I see so many comments under these guys 737 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 1: when they when they whether it's kneeling, whether it's wearing 738 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 1: a name on their helmet, whether it's just speaking up. 739 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: I see so many comments. And social media as a tool, 740 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,759 Speaker 1: I see so many comments saying things like, oh, yeah, 741 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,280 Speaker 1: you're so oppressed, you're you're paid millions. I don't remember 742 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,760 Speaker 1: the last time money had anything to do with being black. 743 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,760 Speaker 1: I don't remember the last time that money had anything. 744 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 1: First of all, let me tell you something humble beginnings. 745 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: We didn't always have money. And before we had money, 746 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: we were back and and when we didn't have money, 747 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: and when we were black, we were definitely in a 748 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: place of being of oppression. And we definitely came up 749 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 1: in an area where we didn't have much and we 750 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: saw things for what they were and didn't have adequate schooling, 751 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: and we didn't have education on on different laws and 752 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 1: and how things were, and we had no idea anything 753 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 1: we we we did not always have money. So now, 754 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 1: as players with a platform and maybe a little bit 755 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 1: of money, it is our job to pull everybody else up. 756 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,400 Speaker 1: So I don't want to hear the shut up and play. 757 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 1: I'm tired of it. If I sound passionate about it, 758 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: it's because I am. It's because before my husband was 759 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,839 Speaker 1: an NFL player, he was a black mail growing up 760 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,719 Speaker 1: in an area that is not serviced the way other 761 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 1: areas are. And at the end of the day, he 762 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 1: it is his duty too to remember, reflect and bring 763 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,720 Speaker 1: about change. It is not his duty to get some money, 764 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 1: get a platform and change and and and and not 765 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 1: not bring about change, or not try and be somebody 766 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: better and be a better example, or try and educate. 767 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 1: It's it's it's his job. It's his duty to speak 768 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,759 Speaker 1: up and and and remember his people. Because I don't 769 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 1: vote based on who i'm and I'm sorry may be 770 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,120 Speaker 1: people do. I don't vote based on who I am now. 771 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,359 Speaker 1: I vote on my people, for my people, the people 772 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,319 Speaker 1: that need it, and I vote as a person that 773 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: loves people, not just what is gonna benefit me. I 774 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 1: think we're selfish in a lot of ways. Um, and 775 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,719 Speaker 1: I'm always remember who I am, where I came from. 776 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: And that's just me. I don't know about y'all, but 777 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 1: absolutely I ain't even always had it. So yeah, there, 778 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 1: you got anything more you want to add? Yeah, just 779 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 1: I think the most important thing, uh, to also add 780 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,839 Speaker 1: to this. I think I heard you and Shannon say, 781 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 1: you know the importance of educating other people so they 782 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,880 Speaker 1: can understand. But another really important and maybe more important 783 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:48,800 Speaker 1: to me, part of that is people educating themselves and listening. 784 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,239 Speaker 1: I've seen so many, in too many comments from people 785 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,880 Speaker 1: who don't have the lived experience of you know, being 786 00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 1: in fear of police or experiencing casual, everyday racism, saying 787 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,880 Speaker 1: things like they've never they don't think it exists, or 788 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 1: they don't anything of that. Ilk if it's not your 789 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 1: lived experience, then just take the time, step back, maybe 790 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,759 Speaker 1: even be quiet, and listen and learn so that you're 791 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,840 Speaker 1: speaking from an educated perspective. Because while you're lived experience, 792 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 1: you know you're an expert on that, that doesn't mean 793 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: you're an expert on what everyone else's experience. And we 794 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 1: all live in extolling lives in life in different ways. 795 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,360 Speaker 1: Everybody is an expert in their own frame of reference. 796 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,280 Speaker 1: When they feel like they have access to the results. 797 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,280 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So if you're gonna spend 798 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,960 Speaker 1: those results to your own worldview but not take into 799 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 1: account the other person or the other race, you got 800 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,320 Speaker 1: problems and you need to wake up. That's just real facts, 801 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,800 Speaker 1: that's just raw. That's where we need to be heading 802 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: as a country. There. As you said this before, change 803 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 1: is gonna take a while, but we need more people 804 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,359 Speaker 1: with both of your mind sense to make sure that 805 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 1: that change is effectively realized. We do, And I just 806 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 1: want to add one more thing, um like, as a 807 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 1: note of encouragement. Something else I've heard and really sit 808 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,240 Speaker 1: with me is when you don't know and when you're 809 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:20,120 Speaker 1: learning something new, welcome yourself to suspend your first judgment 810 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,600 Speaker 1: about what you think is happening. Just really humble yourself 811 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 1: to be in the posture to learn. Um just just learn. 812 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,799 Speaker 1: Because I think that when we're in close proximity to 813 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,759 Speaker 1: each other and like you know, we're having a conversation 814 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,400 Speaker 1: right now, it provides an opportunity for people to be connected. 815 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 1: I think that when there's a lot of distance and 816 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,960 Speaker 1: it makes it easier for people to be mean and 817 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 1: disrespectful to each other. But if we just really like 818 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,319 Speaker 1: I guess, like think about intimacy as in closeness as 819 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,760 Speaker 1: a bomb um. It's an opportunity for people to connect 820 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 1: and really just like learn from each other and hopefully 821 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,680 Speaker 1: broaden you're a world view so that you're not making 822 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 1: an or comments or just doing stuff for the sake 823 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 1: of publicity when like think actions can be genuine and 824 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:10,440 Speaker 1: authentic because you're learning and getting your perspective um informed. 825 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,000 Speaker 1: I love that for change to come about that way, 826 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,000 Speaker 1: you also have to be an active agent for reconciliation. 827 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,959 Speaker 1: You have to see things that it's core from both 828 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,400 Speaker 1: sides and then come to baseline and then make that 829 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 1: change of reality. That's perfect as I love that. That's perfect. 830 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,200 Speaker 1: Oh man, I think, man, I could be talking to 831 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,319 Speaker 1: y'all all day. You notice, you know I could. I 832 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,640 Speaker 1: just want to thank you all for breaking bread with me, 833 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 1: being active agents for change and being the champions that 834 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:45,640 Speaker 1: govern the households of both current players and legends alike. So, 835 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,920 Speaker 1: in the words of our NFL Legends podcasts main host 836 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:55,839 Speaker 1: Aenius Williams, the best is yet to come. I love 837 00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:02,359 Speaker 1: your family, Thank you, thank you for having this has 838 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 1: been the NFL Legends podcast. To provide feedback or request 839 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,920 Speaker 1: a topic for discussion, email us at NFL Legends at 840 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:20,760 Speaker 1: nfl dot com.