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Speaker 2: Oh, that is beautiful. Welcome to the twenty in the

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Speaker 2: Huddle podcast, presented by Microsoft and Fans. It is football

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Speaker 2: season again. Training camp begins for the Detroit Lions and

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Speaker 2: Allen Park this weekend, and because of that, I thought

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Speaker 2: it would be a great time to welcome in one

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Speaker 2: of the all time greats, Peter King, author of Football

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Speaker 2: Morning in America with NBC Sports. You guys know him,

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Speaker 2: He's everywhere. He's been doing this for a long long time.

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Speaker 2: Peter King, thank you so much for joining me. I

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Speaker 3: Tim thanks a lot for asking me. That's a that's

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Speaker 3: a cool background you have there. And I'll tell you

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Speaker 3: And that's the difference in what is happening with you know,

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Speaker 3: Tim that, you know, it's it's never good if some

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Speaker 2: No, I'm glad you're making a stop here in Allen

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Speaker 2: I guarantee there's no seam in the NFC that wanted

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Speaker 2: they're graded on wins and losses. That's what it is.

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Speaker 2: And Jared would be the first one to tell you

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Speaker 2: you think of his play where he's at. I think

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Speaker 2: eight years old. We're not talking about a thirty two

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Speaker 2: you know, a long future ahead of him. He's under

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Speaker 3: Look when the Packers, when the Lions, excuse me, when

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Speaker 3: on Halloween. Last year, there was nobody who didn't think

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Speaker 3: I want this job. This job belongs to me. I'm

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Speaker 3: they will see what happens. My only, my only issue

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Speaker 1: You know, I think I think they might miss him some.

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Speaker 1: Comes down to the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: So I think if if Golf continues the progress he

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Speaker 1: Year, you know, he clearly has.

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Speaker 3: You know, a quarterback friendly coordinator and Ben Johnson and

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Speaker 3: I just I like the direction of this team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think fans do too. You just look at

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Speaker 2: there's just a lot of excitement building around this football team.

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Speaker 2: It finally seems like it's it's kind of their time,

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Speaker 2: with a good mix of young guys, a good mix

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Speaker 2: Brad Holmes has shown that he can build through the

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Speaker 2: draft and and and it's exciting around here and lines

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Speaker 2: fans can't can't wait. We can't wait for you to

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Speaker 2: come here, make your stop in Allen Park and see

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Speaker 2: it in person. Thank you so much for joining me.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you taking the time and and good luck

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Speaker 2: with everything this year. Everybody will read your Monday Morning column.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's one of the best ones in the business.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate you, Hey.

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Speaker 3: Tim, really appreciate you asking good luck and when I

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Speaker 3: come to town, I'll look you up.

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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot for having me.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, Peter, appreciate you