WEBVTT - Cynthia Nixon is here... 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:04.880 Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:10.680 you a Charlotte? You guys, Cynthia Nixon's here? Is he 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:14.319 on the podcast? Are you a Charlotte? Which I think 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:19.279 the answer is not, I think not really. Thank you 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:21.919 Cynthia for being here, Thank you for having it. It's 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:25.880 beyond exciting, it is. It is so okay what we 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:28.280 want to do. I mean there's a lot, right, there's 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:30.760 like kind of endless amounts of things to talk about, 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:33.120 but what I want to do with you because I 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.920 have you here and for me, once I started rewatching, 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:38.080 which you remember, I never rewatched like I watched at 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:41.440 the time, but I find it like uncomfortable. But at 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:44.360 this point, looking back, it's not so uncomfortable for me. 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:48.960 It's more like archaeological, right, you know, like what is 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:52.640 going on? You know? So I really once we started 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:56.120 the podcast, I really felt like I need to have 0:00:56.720 --> 0:01:01.040 us on to talk about the beginnings, right, because all 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:03.279 of us had different experiences and all of us were 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.480 coming from different places, you know, and that's what's kind 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:08.679 of so interesting about it. I think in a way, 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:14.080 like we were all so different in terms of the 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.280 careers we were having and then we all came together 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.440 for this and magic happened, and here we are almost 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:24.240 thirty years later, which you know, crazy, insane to think crazy. 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.360 So tell us a little bit about I mean, should 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.360 I intro a little like, you know, you were at 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.679 this incredible Broadway actress. I mean I had seen Cynthia, 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:37.800 not knowing Cynthia in when when uh, I really bly, 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:39.440 I saw the other one, the real thing, the real thing, 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.759 which I love so much. She was in two Broadway 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:47.039 plays across the street from each other at the same time. Okay, 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:50.400 she'd done Juliet and Shakespeare in the Park. You'd been 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:53.040 in Amadaeus. I mean just you'd been in. 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:56.760 The I've with Robert Altman and Sarah Jessica and I 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.760 of course really knew each other, which was amazing because 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:01.320 we were child actors in. 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:04.040 New York, right, and you're in that. We did a 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:06.560 bunch of things to get Vanessa red Grave. 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:10.520 We played sisters in a TV movie with Vanessa Redgrave 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:11.680 and Jack Albertson. 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:16.280 Yes, unbelievable. So when did you hear about Sex and City? 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:18.440 When did you get the script? What did you think? So? 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:22.639 Okay, so again, as I think you've talked a tiny 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:26.040 bit about so when the when the show first started, 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:30.119 the premise was that we were going to really as 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:33.920 a launch, you know, come from her column, and the 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:37.200 people she was writing about would be kind of like 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:40.680 the first episode starts with the main characters like, we're 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:44.680 not anywhere in sight, right, it's the woman she's talking about, right, 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:48.880 this horrible thing happened to So when I first read 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:51.320 the script, they asked me to read for Carrie, as 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:53.160 I think they asked you to read for Carrie. 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:53.880 I did not know this. 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.240 Yes, they asked me to read for Carrie, right, And 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.720 then I did and they were like, yeah, not so much. 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:04.000 But I did not tend to be very proactive about 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:09.440 these things, but for me, because I was like thirty one, 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:13.400 I want to say, and I had been acting literally 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.080 for twenty years at that point and a lot of 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:18.400 success and a lot of but I was you know, 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:20.920 when I first started acting, I was a child and 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.600 I was in school, so I was very like, I 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:28.280 only work in New York, right, So this show in 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:31.040 New York was like unheard us. 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:31.960 Unheard us. Right. 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.320 We had Cosby, I think we had Kate and Ally 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:37.920 for a while, we had a we had law and order. 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.240 We used to have the equalizer like we had, but 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.680 you know, but it was slim. I guess, yes, and 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:45.920 not all those shows were on at the same time. 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.680 Those were like the things that we had. So I 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:53.000 did call my manager and I guess she was my 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:57.040 agent at the time, Emily. Emily, and I said, Okay, 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.880 they don't want me for Carrie. No one's really surprised here, 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:05.280 But there's like seven women on that show. Couldn't I 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:07.520 get one of them? Because it didn't seem like there 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:10.800 were four. It seemed true. It seemed because with these 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:13.880 other characters at least in the pilot were like central 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:16.960 and then that we had all those testimony from women 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:20.320 on the street, and it seemed like a larger group 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:23.520 of women. But even had there been four, maybe I 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:27.159 wouldn't have been so optimistic. But I was like, can't, like, 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:29.800 I can get one of those? I get one of those. Yeah, 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.360 And so they said they'd like me to come back 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:33.440 and read from Miranda. 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:35.800 And is this just casting directors at this point, like 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:37.560 Billy Hopkins carry Barton. 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.479 I think I don't remember, but I would assume so, 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.760 But I don't, like, you didn't know Darren, I didn't. 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:45.400 Know Darren at all. 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:50.359 So I went in and at some point maybe it 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.919 was the first time I went in for Miranda after 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:56.760 so it was like the second audition maybe, and my 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:03.599 Emily said to me gently but clearly, she said, maybe 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:08.480 put on little lipstick, maybe you. 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:14.600 Could comb your hair. I was like, I'll try, I'm 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:17.000 gonna try. I love it, I love it, I love it. 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:20.400 So then they really liked me. I mean it's like 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.400 an endless saga. I mean, I think you said yours 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:25.120 was like a matter of we. I mean my mind 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.720 was months and months and months, and it wasn't like 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:32.200 I was endlessly auditioning. I think I auditioned. They really 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:34.719 liked me, and then I think they moved. 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:37.919 Me on to like testing, right, So I tested right 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:39.880 here in New York, here in New York, and I 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:43.480 think I was one of the very early people that tested. 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:48.640 Did they know that Sirica was potentially carry yet? I 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:49.880 don't remember. 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:57.800 So I auditioned and uh that you know, nothing happened, 0:05:57.920 --> 0:05:59.960 and like they my contract lapsed. 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.000 So I was basically right. I mean it went on 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:06.640 for months wow, And Emily would call and say what's 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:11.000 going on, and they would say, we haven't found anyone 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:15.320 we like better yet. Oh gosh, that's painful. 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.440 And I think and I can't. Oh, it's so terrible 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.080 that I can't remember this at this point. But I 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:26.880 had auditioned. I had never you know, gone out to 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.919 LA to test for things, but I did, maybe the 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.360 previous year or something. And I tested for a lot 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.240 of things and I didn't get. I tested for like 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.760 the Best Friend on Ally McBeal, and I tested for 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:39.840 a thing like a thing where I was a nun 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:41.679 like in the name of the Father. And I tested 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:47.119 for the Fargo Woman in Fargo, which was then made 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:48.080 many years later. 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:49.480 Wow, And I didn't get any of them. 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:53.120 And I remember Becky and Baker, who actually ended up 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.200 playing my sister briefly in the show, said that means 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:59.279 you're very close if you keep almost getting these, you know, 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.640 but you don't get like, don't think about like I 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:02.120 didn't get it. 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.080 I didn't get it, Like you're close. No, she's right, 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:04.560 that's so good. 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:07.839 Anyway, months and months and months went by, and it 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.000 was like, you know, and every day Emily would call, 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:12.800 not every day, but she would call, and they would say, 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:13.680 we still haven't found anyone. 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:20.480 Were like Matka. So then there was a pilot presentation. 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:22.680 Do you know what that? Yes? 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:26.160 Right, So a pilot presentation is not like a real pilot, 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:29.400 it's like they do it live. It's very like are 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:33.920 most right? And they had some pilot presentation they were 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:37.680 doing that shot in La There were some okay people 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:40.920 in it, I can't remember now, and they had a 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.480 part for me, and it was an okay part. It 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.720 wasn't a great part, but they were like, we just 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:50.440 want her and if she'll just come and test, we'll 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:53.560 just go right into production, like there's no one else's auditioning. 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:54.240 Okay. 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.560 So I wasn't really that interested, but I was like, 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:59.840 it's money, and I actually did need some money at 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:00.440 that points. 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:05.680 Sure, sure, so. But it was pass over a week, okay, 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:08.840 and I was thro my boyfriend Danny and I the 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.400 father of my first two kids. We were throwing a 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:12.600 sador for his family. 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:16.320 I've been to, right, and so it was like a 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:18.200 big you know, and we've been planning it for a 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:21.440 while and so I think passover was like on a 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:24.440 Wednesday that year, and I was like, but I don't 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:29.080 want to miss the satyr, so I so they let 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:30.880 me fly out the idea of so going to fly 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.920 out Friday morning or Thursday night. I was going to 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:35.560 test and we were going to go right into the 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:36.840 first read through whatever. 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:39.559 Wow, And I was like adamant that I want to 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:40.000 do this thing. 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:44.960 So then it was like passover and Emily, my manager, 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:50.199 spent my agent. Then I called them, I think, oh oh, 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:54.280 like every hour, oh what, and she would give them account. 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:58.199 She would be like, you're gonna lose because I think 0:08:58.240 --> 0:08:59.920 the next morning maybe I got to the flight WITHO 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.080 maybe Thursday, and she said, you're gonna lose her in 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:06.920 twenty two hours. Wow, you're gonna lose her in seventeen hours. 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:09.000 You're gonna lose her in ten hours. 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:10.880 Oh my god? Right, because as soon as I. 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:15.520 Get on that planet, right And at one point she 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:20.559 actually apparently broke down and cried on the phone with them, 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:23.640 like what are you doing? This is the perfect person 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:24.240 for the part. 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.400 You love her. You've looked for months, you haven't found 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:32.439 anybody better, Come on, yeah, pull the trigger, Emily. I know. 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:37.440 And at like and like literally literally during the Satyr, 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:40.480 at like nine o'clock at night, my phone rings and 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:42.280 Emily's like, I got it. 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:44.040 That's amazing. 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.080 I never heard this story right, and it was and 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.960 it was, but it was literally from the time I tested. 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.040 I mean it was months. Wow, it was months. Wow. 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.360 I didn't know this. It's amazing. And so in your 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:57.800 in your like gut or your heart or whatever, did 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.880 you feel connected like yes, I want to do this, 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.000 like this is amazing or did you just be like. 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:06.560 Ah, I felt like it felt like the Holy Grail, 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:09.839 it really. I mean, we didn't know what would happen 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.520 with the show, but it was so interesting and it 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:16.680 was so clever and it was all actually about something, right. 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:19.199 I felt the same way, right, yeah, but then there 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:21.600 was like all this sex in It was like weird, 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.800 know right, right, but but it was so different. It 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:29.480 was so different. It was so different but also weirdly 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:31.719 for me, for people who this is the main thing 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:33.839 they know me from. Again, I had been acting for 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:39.720 twenty years at this point, and I had never played 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:46.320 anything remotely like like I was a person I for 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:50.240 a lot of my early life, I had long blonde hair, 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:56.719 and I played a lot of you know, very easygoing, shy, 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:03.960 wallflowery kind of insecure people, powered children, waves waves for days, 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.360 you know, and so to play this woman, and and 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:10.400 and I had been nominated for a Tony a couple 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.599 of years earlier, when I was doing a play called Indiscretions, 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:18.839 which was Jude Laws New York debut, and I was 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:21.880 wearing a wig and we were ran for many many months, 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:25.080 and I got nominated for a Tony. And the guy 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.320 who did my hair said, why don't we cut all 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:28.480 your hair off and. 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:29.120 Dye it red? 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:31.480 Just as like a really a thing. And it was 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.080 fine because I wore a wig, so it didn't matter 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:37.080 what my hair was like. So then so I was blonde, 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:39.400 Kim was blonde, Sarah was blonde. You were the only 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.080 non blonde. So they came to me and they said, 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.240 we got too many blonde would you We've seen these 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.400 photos of you from a few years back with this 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:48.240 red hair. 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.440 Would you dye your hair red? So yeah, But so 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:55.320 that's how that happened. So in every way. 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.319 It was such a it was like such a traparture, 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.080 such a departure, and you love that, and I was great, 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:04.160 It was great, but it felt like, you know, a 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:06.400 character that had like not a lot to do with. 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.199 Well, And I mean, in some ways that's true, and 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:11.640 and in some ways it's not nice. 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.000 People would ask me, you know, are you how are 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:15.960 you like Mary? And I would always say we both 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:17.720 feel confident about our brains. 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:19.439 But that's kind of. 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:22.760 Where it ends, because like I was, I was in 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:26.400 a long term relationship, I had a child, I was 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:33.120 incredibly domestic. I was I'm very domestic, like all the 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:38.440 things that Miranda has no patients for it, right, those. 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:42.840 Were garbage exactly right, right, right, So so when you 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:45.240 took it on, like, remember, I mean you have these 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:48.000 kind of aggressive power suits and whatnot. In the beginning, 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:49.400 you know, like what did you think? 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:55.040 I mean, I thought, I have these really good jokes, 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:58.440 which is great, and I have a really strong character. 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:00.959 Right, She's like I understood who she. 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:06.320 Was clearly, and I was really you know, poor Pat Field, 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.439 who you know, does the clothes. I was really concerned 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.240 with trying to look like one of those women would 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.280 really look, which was not. 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:15.640 Yeah, we really tortured. 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:20.520 It was not Pat's favorite, but we reached it, you know, 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:24.199 did and it's you know, I mean, do you remember 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.320 how in the very beginning, because we would have all 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:30.160 those coffee shop scenes, right, and we tried so hard 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:33.760 to make them real, and yes, constantly not just eating, 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.040 but like reaching for things like right and. 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:37.960 Looking away, like. 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.160 Just trying to have as much. So I was really 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.640 kind of focused on that, like have as much sort 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:48.000 of real behavior, and the clothes and the sort of 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:51.960 like the Miranda armor of like the like the jewelry 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:56.400 was very like silver and spiky and like it. 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.400 Was like armor. Definitely, definitely, definitely. I mean, yeah, I 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:01.120 think that one I watched myself too. I mean, I 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:02.480 think a lot of things, but one of the things 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:04.760 I do think, because I had come from Melrose, you 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:06.319 had to like hold still because they were going to 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:08.280 do this super close up right and just stare at 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.640 the other person. And I'm always like, I'm you barely 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.319 see my face for like the first couple episodes or whatever, 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.080 because I'm just working so hard to be present, be 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:20.400 really you know, follow your lead and follow Sara Jiska 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:23.040 and Kim, and you know, Kim's doing her own thing, 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:26.240 and you know, it's like super interesting to look back on. 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:30.640 And I do remember thinking, you know, like this is different, 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:34.080 you know, like that's just his own animal, right, And 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.360 you know I knew Sarah. Sarah and I knew each 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:36.880 other quite well. 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:38.360 We'd work together a bunch of times, and we were 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:41.160 always auditioning for the same parts and stuff when we 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:44.200 were kids. And Kim I knew a little bit. I'd 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:46.440 seen her in a few things. But also I think 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:50.000 we had auditioned for a production of Missus Julie that 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.120 we were both. I think she got it and ended 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:52.760 up doing it. 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:53.200 Wow. 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:55.440 And I feel like she came to see me in 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:57.960 something and I met her backstay. So I had some sense. 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:00.880 I don't know this, I had some sense of Kim, 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.720 and I didn't know who you were, but I looked 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.360 at the way you spelled your first name with. 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:08.600 An eye, which is unusual. 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:12.080 Two eyes, yes, and I basically I decided you were 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:13.200 Kristin Scott Thomas. 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:18.880 Wow, well, thank you. I was like, it must be 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.480 christ Kristen, that must be Christens. It must have been 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:25.040 really disappointed. I didn't really know who Christin Scott Thomas 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:30.680 was at that time. British. Yeah, yes, oh my god, 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.160 that's adorable that you thought you were going to do 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.440 the pilot of Sex and City with Kristin Scott Thomas. 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.000 I mean, I wish I was Kristin Scott Thomas. You know, 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:40.080 I don't wish you were. You don't know. 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:51.040 I glad, thank you baby. 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:56.080 So do you remember the read through? No, me neither. 0:15:56.360 --> 0:16:00.000 I remember that. There's a thing that I remember about you, 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.600 and I guess it was the way through. I just 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:04.880 remembered some stuff. 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:10.880 Yeah, I remember that we did it at the market, okay. 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:12.920 Chelsea Chelsea Market. Wow. 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:15.520 And I remember Sarah came in and she had just 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:19.320 gotten married. She had just gotten married, and I and 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:23.360 others congratulated her because she had just gotten married, and 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.400 I just they must have been scouting around there, which 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:28.320 is why we did it at Chelsea Market. 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.760 Oh, I don't even know that. I remember. 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:35.160 I remember Chelsea Market, and I remember Sarah coming in 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:36.160 having just gotten married. 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:38.560 That's nice. This is what I remember. You had like 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:40.600 a notebook with your script inning, because you know, you're 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:42.960 very professional, and on the front of the notebook was 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.440 a little baby picture of Sam and I was like, oh, 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:48.040 is that your baby? You were like yeah, And I 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.000 was like, aren't you worried to you know, not be 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.600 at work, you know, not to not to be home 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:55.720 And you were like now, and I was like, oh, 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:59.280 I was just very impressed, very impressed. You're like it'll 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.360 be fine. I was like, oh my gosh, amazing, but 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:05.200 I didn't remember the bigger picture. Sarah Winter remembers the 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:08.400 bigger picture of the read through super interesting. Yeah, yeah, 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.480 because apparently there was a Kennedy there. I can't remember 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:13.080 his first name. He was going to play that part, 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:17.080 which part her guy, Sarah Winter's guy in the beginning 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.480 who goes her? And then I guess something happened he 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:23.679 got cold feet? Who knows? Who knows? Lawford? Lawford was 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:28.880 his name? Peter, Yes, yes, I know, super fascinating. Don't 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:32.720 remember that. I remember that, Okay, okay, okay, I had 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.960 not remembered. She remembers Darren coming in and me talking 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:38.640 to Darren because I knew him from LA. I didn't 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:40.040 really know the rest of you, you know, I had 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:46.040 just seen all of you. Harry Barry name. I keep saying, 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:49.040 oh my, oh my god, where is Barry? I mean, yeah, 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:50.840 he was a big part of it all. Yeah. Yeah, 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.240 he was the Melfie. We didn't have Melfie. I didn't 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:57.000 have Melfie. Oh and do we have Jane Rabb yet? 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:59.560 I think we know not. In the pilot, we had 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:01.520 the Miss three woman who gave me the contract to 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:03.600 sign where I would have been a recurring who you 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:06.840 know doesn't have a fond place in my memory. I'm 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:09.399 sure it's not her fault, but and I don't know 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:13.239 her name. But did you know about that? Did I 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:15.320 tell you about that at the time? You told me 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:20.560 about it? I think you did tell me about it 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:22.080 at the time. I think you might be the only 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.399 one because I really tried to keep his secret. Michael 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:25.720 Patrick didn't even know right. 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:29.040 I think you did amazing that you told me right away, 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.480 but I think sometime during the first season you told me. 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:34.520 Because it really it really like Michael was Michael. Michael 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.920 talked really interestingly about his beginnings and how he didn't 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:39.679 know how to write Charlotte. He was like, Wow, that 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.280 one I don't know, you know, which I understand because 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:46.760 in the book, she's not really very like she did 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.040 blushed out. Yeah, she's not flushed. She doesn't really make 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:51.919 a lot of sense. She's just a little different. You don't, like, 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:55.480 she takes drugs and goes rollerskating like it's weird. You know, 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.120 You're like, who is that one? You know? And I remember, 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.520 you know, really feel like I've got to figure her out, 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:04.359 and you know, there was some stress about like they 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:05.760 wanted me to have short hair. I wanted to have 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:07.840 long hair. Pat was trying to put me in these clothes. 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:09.840 I was like, what are those clothes? You know, which 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:14.080 was I think not uncommon for us. I mean, Sara 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:16.600 Jessica was in sync with Pap, but the rest of 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:19.040 us were like, what it's happening. So that was a 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:22.080 process obviously, but also I think Charlotte had to be developed, 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:25.439 and that was you know, luckily happened over time, but 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.440 definitely was not true in the beginning. And for me inside, 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:32.480 I had this sense of, oh, you know, someone doesn't 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.199 know if I'm important here right right? I didn't know 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:37.480 who that was, right, you know, if it was like HBO, 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:39.320 because we didn't really know Strauss at that point. We 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:41.920 didn't know Carolyn. No, we didn't know anybody right right. 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:44.159 We were just like you knew Darren. I knew Darren, 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:47.600 which was great, but also Darren was, you know, trying 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:49.400 to create this thing like do you remember one time 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:52.040 he came down and he was like, you guys have 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:55.160 to be funnier and we were like, really too, kind 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:56.760 of from that and then he was like and then 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:58.920 the next week i'd have seen in Sir Jessica's house. 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:03.879 I think. So when libs like something in the first 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:06.280 episode and we had to add lib what we felt 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:09.760 insecure about, right. I remember if I said my neck yes, 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.120 and I said my thighs yes. It was the only 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:14.359 time there ever Ye said her nose right, And I 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.720 remember what Kim said, she doesn't because Samantha's not insecure 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:21.040 about anything. Yes, But it was like our only time 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:23.040 they ever asked us to add lib right. That was 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:25.679 the end of that right right, right, right, right right. 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:27.480 But it was very sweet because they didn't want to 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:30.560 write anything that would upset us, which was nice. 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:33.639 But I remember they wouldn't want to say what you 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:36.600 must feel terrible about your life, and you'd be like, 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:37.640 that's my best thing. 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:40.639 Totally, totally, totally. But then I also remember a different 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:42.399 week when he come down. Darren would come down and 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:44.720 he'd be like, you know, everyone's got to be sexier, 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:46.800 You've got to be sexier. And I would be like me, 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:53.680 like what like how like this totally like just low cut. 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:56.119 I don't know, Yeah, it was bizarre, but I just 0:20:56.240 --> 0:21:00.680 feel I remember just not knowing, you know, what our 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:04.879 aisle was. You know what our goal was kind of 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:07.080 or who we were. But then when I look back 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:09.399 on it, which having not watched it for you know, 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:14.240 eight million years, we're very good. We are very good. 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:17.040 I mean it's kind of amazing, like they have married pigs. 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:20.879 Everything is there. Yeah, you know, like we're mean in 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:23.480 terms of our characters, you mean or not not not 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:26.720 they're not fully fleshed out, but like the the energy, 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:28.520 the GISTs. You know, we're at that scene with the 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:31.080 Pepper Mail Do you remember that scene? I do? It 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:34.600 was long with with what's his name? Sun Rene Obershon 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:38.440 was Sun, Yes, Remi obersion was yes, Yes, good memories 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:41.359 and impressive. You told me you didn't remember anything. That's 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:44.240 not true, you know in that peppermil had come in 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:46.960 the right time. That was like our first real true 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:51.080 coffee shop. Really, I mean, there's there's one in the pilot, 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:53.479 but we're at the Chinese restaurant right right, right, right 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:55.080 right right, very brief. 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:58.000 Oh, but so only at the Chinese restaurant. Yeah, there 0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:01.040 was that Where was that? Remember there was that diner? 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:01.480 Yes? 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:05.000 On Long Island City? And when what episode is that? 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:09.600 I mean I feel like Skipper goes there with Carrie. 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:12.440 So someone goes there with Gary and I'm like, there's 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:14.760 a diner. There's a diner that we use. That's a 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:17.760 real diner Stanford, remember the place. They would like put 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:19.879 us in the van and drive us over there. And 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:21.840 it was kind of not the cleanest I don't want 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:22.800 to say anything, right. 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:26.280 We were like, oh, there's very interesting tile on the walls. 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:28.960 Very I mean ugly would be a word. Ugly would 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:29.440 be a word. 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:30.840 Yeah. 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:33.200 That didn't last long. It didn't last long at all. 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:35.160 But the other thing I think when I look back 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:37.680 on these early episodes is to me, New York looks 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:40.280 so different. It looks like it's the eighties, you know 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:43.040 what I mean. Like it's like and the cars and 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:46.240 like in this particular in the episode twenty something Guys 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:47.919 or Value of the twenty something Guys, you know, we 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:51.680 go to these bars right like downstairs and they're just 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:55.919 like nothing. They're just like a dark room right in 0:22:55.960 --> 0:23:00.960 the basement. It's so eighties. Yeah, so interesting to me. 0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:03.680 I don't really remember it, Like I don't know where 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:06.119 we are. I have no idea, no memory of that, right, 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:08.479 And Charlotte doesn't really get to go very often, like 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:11.440 the first, you guys are in chaos that can't remember chaos. 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:13.320 I don't know if it was a real place or not. 0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:15.800 I don't think probably in the pilot. Yeah, but you're there. 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:18.359 That's when Skipper comes and you push him up up 0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:21.400 against the wall. It's so good, Right, that's a pilot. 0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:25.080 I think it's excellent, excellent, But I'm not there. I'm 0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:28.960 with that dude up on the stairs of the met right, yeah, right, 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:31.240 just thinking I'm on like the perfect date. And then 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:34.360 he goes, oh, has sex with Samantha. I know, poor 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:38.440 Charlotte's mess. So wait, let's get back to you. Let's 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:40.560 get back to you. So we start the pilot. You 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:42.600 you did feel like it was the holy Grail. So 0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:45.280 you had a sense that it was amazing, well for 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:48.160 me because I was at a point like I had 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:50.960 a kid and like an uh like I just bought 0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:55.040 an apartment, and like I needed to earn some money. Yeah, 0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:59.320 like and and so much so that after literally twenty 0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:01.840 years of saying I will not audition for anything that 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:04.639 shoots in la you know, like a long term or 0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:07.680 even really sure you know, yeah, I was like, get 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:09.639 me a TV show, and it was like, here's a 0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:13.800 TV show here. Wow, that's so great. 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:16.879 Yeah, you know, so I did feel like it was 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:18.320 the holy Grail. 0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:21.280 Yeah yeah. And when we actually did the pilot, did 0:24:21.320 --> 0:24:24.159 you feel like wow, wow, wow or did you feel like, 0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:26.960 oh my god. I always thought it was all great. 0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:28.800 I just thought it was all great. 0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:34.320 You know, I thought, how am I gonna be this like, 0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:38.320 you know, sexy person that's like going on all these 0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:41.360 like never dated, I had like long term relationship. 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:43.840 I never remember you saying this, Yeah right. I also 0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:47.399 remember you saying I never had like girlfriends where we 0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:50.320 would like go around and kind of like be powerful like. 0:24:50.320 --> 0:24:54.719 This or flirty flirty right, my my my girlfriends. Right, 0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:58.280 we're not ever out on the prowl, and we never were. 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:01.080 We're like my friends from h school. We like hang 0:25:01.160 --> 0:25:03.359 out with the boys in our high school. 0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:05.119 You know what I mean, as I do. It was 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:07.919 not like we'd go and meet strangers and go to 0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:11.120 bed with them. I know, I know, I know. It's 0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:14.640 super interesting to look at the beginning episodes, like there's 0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:19.880 a you know, like a it's very sex positive, which 0:25:19.920 --> 0:25:22.240 is wonderful before we ever called it that, but also 0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:28.159 like an openness like a you know, Everyone's not everyone. 0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:30.679 I guess Charlotte's not, but like Carrie especially like a 0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:33.600 value of the twins something guys, you know, I mean, 0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:35.160 it's it's very interesting. 0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:38.400 Well, so remember there was all this stuff. I don't 0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:40.600 know if you've spoken about this yet, but there was 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:41.399 all this stuff. 0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:44.480 There was this backlash. 0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:48.560 Where people were sort of some people were like horrified, right, 0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:51.840 and said, these aren't women, right, women don't act like this, 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:55.800 women don't talk like this, women don't have this kind 0:25:55.840 --> 0:26:02.080 of lack of inhibition and lack of sentimental romantic no necessity. 0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:05.960 Right, these are gay men disguised. If you remember this, 0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:09.160 it was great and trouble right, it was very annoying. 0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:12.320 And I also remember, and I don't remember what season 0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:15.800 it was, where we had a reporter like, we're all 0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:18.040 four of us were talking to this person on time 0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:22.280 and the reporter said, do you think this is a 0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:26.640 feminist show? And all four of us basically almost took 0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:31.280 that person's head off. We were like, well, of course 0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:35.880 it's a feminist show. What's wrong with you? Yes, we're 0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:38.399 all feminists. It's a feminist show. What would it be 0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:42.240 if it wasn't a feminist show? Because we're wearing lipstick 0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:45.920 and high heels. It's not a feminist show. What's wrong 0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:46.320 with You? 0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:49.199 Absolutely, But I do think that that also reminds me 0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:52.640 of the different times, you know, and the fact that 0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:56.159 we were not there was no blueprint for us, you know, 0:26:56.280 --> 0:27:00.280 and and that in some ways is I think this 0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:04.560 kind of magic about us coming together and HBO allowing 0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:07.040 us to find ourselves and then also being able to 0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:09.040 do the movies and then also being able to do 0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:11.640 and just like that, I mean, like there is no blueprint, 0:27:11.720 --> 0:27:12.800 there is nothing else. 0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:16.160 But you know what, it's really funny for me because, 0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:18.119 as I said, I started acting when I was like 0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:21.719 eleven twelve, and one of the very first things that 0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:25.439 I did was this movie All Little Darlings, which is 0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:28.919 starring Tatum O'Neill and Christy McNicol. And then there are 0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:30.760 six of us who aren't those two people. 0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:31.760 So they're eight. 0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:34.879 Young women amazing, and we're all like, we're all supposed 0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:37.040 to be like mid teens, I would say, and some 0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:39.879 of us like me or twelve as I'm tall, and 0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:43.119 other people are like eighteen, but they're playing fifteen whatever. 0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:44.640 We're all playing like yeah. 0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:48.800 And it's about two girls who don't like each other 0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:52.720 at summer camp and somebody starts a bet to see 0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:55.520 which one of them can lose their virginity first. Wow, 0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:57.880 And all the rest of us line up with one 0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:00.560 or the other and there's lots of betting on it, 0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:02.280 and who camp. 0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:03.320 Right gets involved. 0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:03.679 Wow. 0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:07.439 And this was a very popular, successful movie that it's like, 0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:10.360 very dear to a lot of people's hearts. But when 0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:14.480 it came out, I remember one review that started, now 0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:19.760 here's a disgusting idea for a movie, right, Critics were horrified, 0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:23.879 And this was like literally twenty years later, and it 0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:26.840 was I was like, it was deja vue for me. 0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:31.080 It was like, here are women who are talking about 0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:34.840 sex and the possibilities of sex with their female friends 0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:41.280 and then going out and assertively pursuing it. And audiences 0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:44.040 are like, wow, cool and critics are. 0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:48.200 Like, ew, so crazy. It's but I. 0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:52.720 Mean I think that that's I mean, you know, it's 0:28:52.760 --> 0:28:56.360 a show that women and gay men have always particularly 0:28:56.960 --> 0:29:01.720 you know, embraced. But we would hear again and again 0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:05.160 and again. Was first on was like the men want 0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:08.080 to watch it too, and the girlfriends get them to 0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:10.040 watch it, or the wives get them to watch it, 0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:13.200 and then they're fascinated and they love it and they're entertained. 0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:18.200 But also then it sparks all these conversations about this 0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:23.520 semi taboo stuff that maybe if you're dating somebody you 0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:26.400 wouldn't talk about it because you'd be shy or something, 0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:27.880 but it's happening. 0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:31.280 In the episode. So it's a perfect right, right, like 0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:35.360 the up the butt stuff in the right. Of course, 0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:37.480 everyone likes to say all the things that embarrass me. 0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:41.200 But yes, very good example. And also such a fun 0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:45.120 fun memory, so great, such a great memory and such 0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:47.640 a funny I mean, now that I look back on it, 0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:50.840 which I didn't really compute this or whatever. That's really 0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:53.680 my first storyline, like where it's like a beginning, middle, 0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:55.719 and end right, like Carrie's like, you know, and then 0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:57.560 Charlotte has a new boyfriend and we see him and 0:29:57.560 --> 0:29:58.720 I'm like, did I tell you it wants to buy 0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:00.760 a painting, and you guys are like, oh, you know, 0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:03.840 And then we do that scene. No, then we do 0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:06.719 the seat then a caller right, and she's like, oh, Charlotte, 0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:07.920 I got to run out of the house, right, And 0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:10.320 I'm like she's like, I'll be right there. And then 0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:12.040 we're in that big cab. Do you remember it was 0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:15.000 like a nineteen seventies cab and Alice in the director 0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:18.360 and Maurice who's French, the DP who I could never 0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:20.680 say her name. Right, they're in the front seat. Do 0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:23.400 you remember this with the handhad They're in the front 0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:25.400 seat like on the floor. That's how big the cab 0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:27.400 was that they could do that, and they would like 0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:29.320 pop their heads up and give us direction as we're 0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:31.920 driving around, then pop back down. And then we added 0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:34.120 you guys. And I remember being so fun but also 0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:37.720 being so even just like mortified to say the words 0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:40.640 out loud. Yeah that I kept messing it up, like 0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:43.320 I can't remember that say the words because the first 0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:45.479 time I say it is just sir, Jessica with me, right, 0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:48.440 it's just carry with me, And I had so not 0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:50.479 said it in rehearsal. Do you remember how we used 0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:51.920 to run our lines all the time, which I told 0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:53.880 Michael Michaels like I didn't know this. I was like, wait, 0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:55.960 we were so scared that we weren't gonna talk fast 0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:56.320 enough for you. 0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:56.600 Yeah. 0:30:56.640 --> 0:30:58.720 Yeah, I mean at least I was right. So we 0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:02.040 remember we were in the make Taylor just running, running, running, running, running. 0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:03.800 Do you remember this? Did they have us do that? 0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:06.480 Did they have us watch some like his Gal Friday 0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:08.760 or something? I think you did, And I don't think 0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:11.040 anyone told us to. I know, I think that was 0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:15.760 your creative you know, thought process, right. And also I 0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:17.120 was I told you I was going to tell you this. 0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:19.959 I do think this is when you started saying to 0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:25.040 me quietly like, not my medium, not my medium, because 0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:27.360 we'd be in some complex thing where they'd say like, 0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:30.040 and then you find the lens, and then you move 0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:31.480 forward and you find the lens. 0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:33.880 And you just be like, not my media, right, And 0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:37.880 I'd be like, it is getting the mark, finding the lens, continuity. 0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:41.080 These have never been my strong suits. Well they are now. 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:44.840 Well that's very kind, it's true. But number two, I mean, 0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:47.680 first of all, I see those early episodes. You're like 0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:51.640 spot On, I mean, you're amazing, So you know some 0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:53.920 of it, I think it's just your own mind. But 0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:57.640 I also think also it is obviously a very different experience. 0:31:57.960 --> 0:32:01.240 Doing a show is a very different experience than even 0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:04.280 just a film. You know, Well, it's right, It's it's 0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:05.560 not like one long arc. 0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:08.680 It's like every week or every two weeks or whatever 0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:11.920 it was, we got a new script and new things happened. 0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:13.880 Definitely, new things happened. Also, we film a lot quicker, 0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:16.440 especially back then. I remember we would film like so 0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:19.240 many scenes in a day, and it was that was 0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:21.680 partly why it was so complicated, right because we couldn't 0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:24.720 like stop, like now now it and just like that 0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:28.160 we do we take some time, you know, to you know, 0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:30.520 do the singles and whatever. But back then we were 0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:32.200 like on the go. Do you remember they used to 0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:35.120 like wheel those huge lights down the street, you know, 0:32:35.160 --> 0:32:36.800 from one location to the other. Like it was kind 0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:39.600 of amazing to think about, like gorilla filmmaking a little bit. 0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:42.520 Right, you know, in such crazy hours, like crazy hour, 0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:46.280 never less than fifteen hours, often seventeen eighteen hours until 0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:46.959 the same came up. 0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:59.080 Yeah, I talked about it a little bit like back 0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:01.520 then we felt like we we shouldn't say that. Do 0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:03.680 you remember, like it was so long, right, like because 0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:05.560 I remember how we shouldn't complain, Yeah, we should we 0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:07.800 shouldn't complain, Yeah, because remember how people just come up 0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:10.080 and be like it is so much fun. Like once 0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:11.960 it started to kind of you know, take off, and 0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:15.040 we'd be like yes, like as we're like, you know, fainting, 0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:17.320 you know, as we're just so tired, right, But we 0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:20.000 couldn't really say that. We thought our feet, yes, and 0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:22.800 our feet. I mean, you know, I told them the story. 0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:25.240 I had the bigger sized shoes for the weekend. My 0:33:25.320 --> 0:33:27.320 tennis shoes were bigger so that I could like let 0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:30.760 my little swollen feet rest. Yeah, because remember how we 0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:33.440 would film till the sun rose and then start at 0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:36.400 five am on Monday. You had this tiny little window 0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:40.280 and you had a whole life. It was I think 0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:43.000 eight months when we did the pilot. Exactly how did 0:33:43.000 --> 0:33:47.400 you do that? Well? I don't know. I mean the pilot. 0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:50.560 What I think of is when we were getting ready, 0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:52.720 when we've been picked up and we were getting ready 0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:55.720 to do the second episode, right, the first episode of 0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:56.560 our first season. 0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:02.280 Do you remember this? They so we shot in Silver Cup, 0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:05.360 which is in Long Island City, and all of us 0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.480 were living in Manhattan, right, I mean, Kristen had an 0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:12.480 apartment in Manhattan, and they decided that we were going 0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:13.719 to take the subway to work. 0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:17.920 Oh my god, do you remember that. It was like, 0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:21.200 we're not going to pick you all up. You have 0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:26.759 to get here on your own. And so I think 0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:29.800 I was coming for fittings or something, coming from. 0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:32.440 Hitting where the where we were in the Where Island 0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:33.480 city at the time. 0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:36.960 Maybe well, this is before Google Maps, right, it is 0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:42.799 a confusing, windy place. And so and my kid at 0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:47.280 that point is I think like it's teen months or something. 0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:51.920 I'm not sure how old he is. And my father 0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:57.760 has just died. He has died of like weeks before. 0:34:58.200 --> 0:35:01.040 And my father was living in Mexico. So I don't 0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:04.879 speak Spanish. I've gone down there. My boyfriend was sick. 0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:07.560 I went down there by myself with my kid, not 0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:10.520 speaking Spanish, to try and deal with his not only 0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:13.319 his death. I mean he was cremated, so that wasn't 0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:16.280 a big but you know, his belongings to his finance, 0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:19.480 everything right, And so I came back. I'm coming for 0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:23.200 this fitting where they've Shelley, remember Shelley. Shelley told me 0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:26.600 that I had to take the subway or whatever. And 0:35:26.680 --> 0:35:29.719 so I take my kid strapped to me on the 0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:33.120 subway with all the diaper bags and whatnot, and I 0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:35.960 get off the train in Long Island City and I 0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:39.680 can't find it, and I'm walking around the streets and 0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:44.080 I call Shelley and I'm like, Shelley, I have my 0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:48.000 you know, fifteen month old. My father has just died. 0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:52.319 I'm wandering around. Can someone please just pick me up? 0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:55.880 So I think they gave up on the subway idea. 0:35:56.120 --> 0:35:59.319 I think that must have been somewhere close to me 0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:04.200 trying to also do the same thing with not a child, 0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:09.920 but just my really challenge, you're not. I mean I 0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:13.120 used to live here. It never you know, it's just 0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:16.160 a challenge that I have right in wherever I am. 0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:19.040 It's a challenge. And there was no phones to be doing. 0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:21.400 There was no Google Maps, and there was no maps nothing. 0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:24.400 And I had never in my life even heard of 0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:27.799 Long Island City. I was like, I don't understand, like 0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:30.640 just where are we? I just don't understand. 0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:32.640 It's like a place where you assumed a lot of 0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:38.920 like snuff films, anything could happen. What's happening behind those 0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:39.800 doors exactly? 0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:41.680 So I had gone tried to go to my fitting 0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:44.480 sometime probably like the same day or next day or whatever. 0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:49.680 It was raining, and I'm just wandering, you know, like 0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:53.880 a little lost wet kitten, you know, like help me, 0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:58.920 help me, anyone and then crying, you know, like finally, 0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:04.600 like I think, Shelley, also, I don't even know if 0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:07.360 I'm in longand City, like you know what I'm saying, 0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:09.799 like all of it. And then she was like, yes, 0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:11.920 Cynthia had a problem too. I was like, you know, 0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:17.040 maybe you guys should send him. Remember the sixteen seater 0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:21.040 that we did end up spending a lot of time anyway, 0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:23.640 I do remember that. And I was like, if Cynthia 0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:26.200 had a problem, I don't feel so bad, you know. 0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:28.319 But then remember how we both lived on the Upper 0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:30.800 West Side. Yes, and they would pictu us that blocks 0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:33.840 from the blocks from each other, thank god, and they 0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:35.920 would pick us up together, which is really fun. And 0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:39.040 what Cynthia very kindly would run lines with me because 0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:41.319 remember those times when I had those big speeches, yes, 0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:46.000 like like very didactic, like soap boxy, like I'm gonna 0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:47.640 get married and I'm going to follow this book and 0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:51.800 I'm so hard and you know, we I talked to 0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:54.279 Michael a little bit about like the word perfect. You know, 0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:57.080 we had to be perfect. We still have to be perfect. 0:37:57.480 --> 0:38:00.600 And comedy is very precise, you know, so I get that, 0:38:00.640 --> 0:38:04.439 but it's sometimes challenging and Cynthia God bless her heart, 0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:06.920 because I live by myself, right, so like you can 0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:10.120 only somewhat do so much work in your own head, 0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:13.200 you know, to a certain extent, and then what would 0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:15.799 happen is We'd get there and I'd get nervous and 0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:18.880 I'd like just freeze up. So on the way down 0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:22.120 town or to Silver Cup or whatever, Cynthia Wood run 0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:26.040 lines with me so sweetly. Really saved myself so much. 0:38:27.200 --> 0:38:29.879 That was fun, and like we were like kids. That's 0:38:29.880 --> 0:38:32.200 the other thing that cracks me up when we watch, 0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:34.799 Like do you I don't know how you think about this, 0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:39.520 but like we look like little children. Well, yes, we're 0:38:39.680 --> 0:38:44.480 very beautiful, but also so I have still you know, 0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:48.640 baby fat no, well I mean from my baby right, 0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:54.840 But also I have literally pimple on my chin like simples. 0:38:55.120 --> 0:38:58.920 Take a look, my guy still have acne. Hysterical. But 0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:01.560 the thing that's so funny is that I remember thinking, 0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:03.719 because I was living in LA before we filmed, right, 0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:05.960 and I remember thinking, like, you know, I got to 0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:07.680 get a job because like we don't have a lot 0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:09.440 of time here. You know, this is back when like 0:39:09.480 --> 0:39:11.480 when you were forty, which I don't think you probably 0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:14.080 felt because you were a very theater and theater, thank god, 0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:16.359 goes on forever, but like you had this sense of 0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:19.040 like time is ticking, you've got to like make the 0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:21.120 most of it because you're not going to last long. 0:39:21.200 --> 0:39:22.839 Well, I mean, that's the thing is like now we 0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:26.680 look like such babies, but at the time that was 0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:29.920 part of the point of the show that we weren't kids. 0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:31.960 I know, that's what's so funny to me. But we were. 0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:33.800 We were like mature women. 0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:37.040 We had these careers and we were at a point 0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:41.600 when you know, Charlotte or other people in previous or 0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.920 you know, we're like, why aren't you marriedly getting married? 0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:47.799 Were you going to marry? Absolutely? Actually, and in the 0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:49.759 value of the twenty sething guys, when they cut to 0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:52.480 the guys on the basketball court, which is one of 0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:55.840 the most enjoyable, I know, it's finally like for me, 0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:59.000 that's when the other people talking clicks in right in 0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:01.359 a great way. All these guys and they're not so 0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:06.080 horrible like in the every man is just like horrible, horrible, 0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:08.440 So finally some of them are kind of likable and 0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:10.799 one of them, you know, I think it starts the 0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:14.359 basketball confessionals and he says, you know the great thing 0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:17.200 about women in their thirties is they're just so grateful. 0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:25.359 I'm like, wow, where we're gonna go, the journey we're 0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:28.480 gonna go on? People? Oh my god? Who would have 0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:31.960 ever thought? Yeah? Right? Yeah? And back then, I remember 0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:34.480 also feeling because when I was auditioning, I would always 0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:36.680 just lie about my age, Like whatever age the character was, 0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:38.920 you'd pick like a year older or a you're younger, 0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:41.040 and that's how old you'd say you were. At least 0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:42.839 that's what I did. Huh. That's what all my friends 0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:45.239 did in La. Wow. So for me, I was like, oh, 0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:48.040 thank god, we're playing women are our thirties. I can 0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:51.080 stop lying. You know. It's so exciting, right, Like it 0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:53.719 was such a weight off my mind. And look at us, 0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:58.480 I'm like, we're like little tiny babies. No, little tiny babies. 0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:01.600 But I think I think the you know, how much 0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:04.440 sex we're having and going out and meeting people and 0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:06.919 going out on dates and just picking people up, right, 0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:11.560 there's all that which is different, and it's that it's 0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:15.200 not it's not. I mean, I don't there is really 0:41:15.239 --> 0:41:16.640 nothing to compare us to. I mean, what are you 0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:19.879 going comparis to Charlie's Angels. I mean right, right, No, 0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:21.360 there is a stretch man. 0:41:21.360 --> 0:41:23.799 Right, I mean they don't talk to each other, right, 0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:26.160 I mean then they also don't date. I mean they 0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:29.640 I guess they don't think they shut around, right, But 0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:32.839 I think that's the thing, is like we're having all 0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:36.239 this sex with all these different men that were actively pursuing, 0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:38.400 and we're talking. 0:41:38.120 --> 0:41:40.600 To each other about it, right, It's like we're together. 0:41:40.840 --> 0:41:44.120 It's like Bechdel to the MH degree. 0:41:44.880 --> 0:41:47.680 Yes, And that's what was so so special and amazing 0:41:47.680 --> 0:41:50.000 about it. Now, let's talk about themes. Part of the 0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:52.239 reason I wanted to do Are You a Charlotte was 0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:54.480 because it seems like, I mean, first of all, you 0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:56.960 know Netflix, We're on Netflix now, which is like we 0:41:57.000 --> 0:41:59.560 could never have imagined these things, right, and all these 0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:01.720 younger peop people are finding us, which is so exciting 0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:05.120 and really kind of amazing and wonderful. And the themes 0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:09.359 are still so resonant today. Yes, totally, and it's kind 0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:12.640 of just a testament to our writing, you know, and 0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:17.239 to just the I mean, it was kind of just 0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:19.840 bravery on I guess. Well, but have you talked about 0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:23.319 the thing about the one degree of separation thing about well, 0:42:24.440 --> 0:42:26.759 you know that they had this rule in the writer's room. 0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:28.040 Oh yeah, that. 0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:33.920 You know, fantastical things happen on our show Crazy Zany, 0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:37.799 like wow, cover your mouth, you're so shocked kind of things, right, 0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:40.640 But that they had a rule in the writer's room 0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:43.680 that you could only make a plot line around something 0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:47.960 that had literally happened to you or someone you knew. 0:42:48.080 --> 0:42:52.920 It can be like my friend's dentist's cast. I heard 0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:56.399 this I had one time. Right, it had to be 0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:59.000 you experienced it, or someone that you could get on 0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:02.160 the phone and ask them about it in detail. 0:43:02.520 --> 0:43:03.200 It happened to them. 0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:05.360 So, I mean, I do think that that's one of 0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:09.760 the reasons it really endures, is like it's the stuff 0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:14.440 around it, even though it's it's real, even though it's like, oh. 0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:16.919 My god, can you believe what happened on the show 0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:17.440 last night? 0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:23.080 Right, but it's it's it's real, and people really, you know, 0:43:23.800 --> 0:43:26.680 put them the writers really put themselves in it and 0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:31.479 located the good and bad and funny and whatever say 0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:33.120 things that were happening to right. 0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:35.160 Right right, So true. But when you think back on 0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:37.279 the themes, like what do you think of in terms 0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:39.879 of like Miranda's themes or you know, what stands out 0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:41.400 to you. What do you think of as your favorite 0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:44.680 themes or your favorite relationships or things like that. Hmmm, 0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:49.240 I know it's hard, so so so hmmm. 0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:51.960 I mean I think maybe this is not what you're 0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:54.880 talking about, but I mean, like the overarching theme is, 0:43:54.960 --> 0:44:00.840 obviously we're not sitting by the phone waiting for a 0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:03.080 man to call in and ask us to marry him. 0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:07.920 Right, It's like we possibly Charlotte is well, possibly Charlotte, 0:44:07.960 --> 0:44:11.120 but then she but she's aggressively pursuing it, you know, 0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:14.640 Susa pursuing it, and she and there's part of her 0:44:14.719 --> 0:44:17.880 that that has this marriage goal in mind, but she 0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:21.920 also kind of wants to experiment. And she's certainly more 0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:24.880 experimental than you realize. And sure she really is. And 0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:27.080 I remember, of course we did the thing. 0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:30.000 They had a thing in a magazine about who had 0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:31.160 had the most It was the book. 0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:32.880 It was a book. It was a tell in the 0:44:32.920 --> 0:44:34.960 back of the book. But it wasn't it. It had 0:44:35.040 --> 0:44:36.279 all the sure, wasn't it. 0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:40.439 Even before there was a magazine article. You're resting how 0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:44.360 many sex partners each of them they had and that Charlotte, surprisingly, 0:44:44.840 --> 0:44:47.400 I know one had been with Marmon. 0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:50.160 But I also think that is what I love about 0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:52.440 when we think back, And I kind of was aware 0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:55.520 of this at the time because like, for instance, you 0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:59.440 weren't Miranda, right, so you playing Miranda, you brought different 0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:01.880 things to it. You brought kind of some friction to it. 0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:05.080 Sara Jessica is not Carrie, you know, and she didn't 0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:08.000 want to show her body all the time, you know, 0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:10.520 So it created kind of a friction. Like all of 0:45:10.600 --> 0:45:14.640 us being together and being such different people created kind 0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:17.520 of an interesting friction. Charlotte wanted to get married, but 0:45:17.719 --> 0:45:21.160 also being the one who literally has the most you know, 0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:25.600 hookups or whatever. It's interesting, right, Like, it wasn't as 0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:27.760 much as people think that we were archetypes and whatnot, 0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:30.480 which I get right, right, It really was more complex 0:45:30.560 --> 0:45:34.880 than that, and certainly, like the underlying thing as opposed 0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:38.800 to what we were showing, I think created a depth 0:45:38.840 --> 0:45:41.640 and a like a frision kind of right. 0:45:41.719 --> 0:45:47.160 So I feel like in terms of Miranda, obviously she's 0:45:47.400 --> 0:45:51.239 very she's very smart, she's very quippy, she's very cynical, 0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:58.040 she's very driven, she's all about her work, and getting ahead, 0:45:58.320 --> 0:46:03.279 right and competing with men on an equal footing. I'm 0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:07.279 interested in having sex, but she really has thought not 0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:13.400 at all about the idea of marriage or long term monogamy, 0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:16.600 much less children or anything like that. 0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:20.279 Which is so great how it unfolds, right, yeah. 0:46:19.960 --> 0:46:25.480 And so so the fun thing about her has always 0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:31.680 been that she has this really tough, armored exterior, but 0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:37.759 that she has all this fragility side right, And so 0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:42.279 I feel like, for me, the turning point from Miranda was, 0:46:42.360 --> 0:46:45.480 I believe it's Jenny Bick's first episode. That's one of 0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:48.600 our writers, and when she first came on board, she 0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:53.160 wrote the episode where Miranda buys her first apartment. 0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:55.359 That's a good one, right, yeah, And it's like, as 0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:59.279 a single woman, what does that mean? Is that intimidating 0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:01.319 to a man when you when you already own and 0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:04.520 you're not waiting for him to buy something with him 0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:08.880 that you choose together, right, And that Miranda is really 0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:12.239 determined and excited, But then it brings up all of 0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:17.799 these demons for her about what does this mean buying 0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:20.040 this apartment? Does this mean I'll always be alone? 0:47:20.080 --> 0:47:22.960 And she and I'll die alone and like no one 0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:26.040 will know and the cat will eat my face. Right, 0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:28.440 it's so good, it's so great, and she starts to 0:47:28.520 --> 0:47:30.560 have these panic attacks, which. 0:47:30.360 --> 0:47:32.520 Seem very Unmeranda. 0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:36.680 And you know, and in the same way that Michael 0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:42.400 Patrick talks about with Charlotte, Charlotte is a beautiful, intelligent, warm, 0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:48.640 career person who wants to get married. And so Michael 0:47:48.640 --> 0:47:50.839 Patrick says, at a certain point, even though it's about 0:47:50.840 --> 0:47:53.520 single women, we got a let her get married because 0:47:53.719 --> 0:47:57.239 we just can't believe we lost. 0:47:58.000 --> 0:48:02.200 It's incredulous, right, she she want to get married. She's 0:48:02.200 --> 0:48:04.200 gonna get married, right, and then it's not going to 0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:07.680 work out, that's the point. So and the same with Miranda. 0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:14.399 He was like, how much how brittle and bitter can 0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:19.160 we make her? It's like, finally she is gonna just break, 0:48:19.920 --> 0:48:21.760 so we have to Finally. 0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:23.800 I guess it's season two. I'm not sure. 0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:27.759 You know, they bring in Steep, right, somebody who is 0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:33.640 like the antidote like to all of the who is 0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:37.759 happy to be the beta to her alpha, right, and 0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:42.480 who is so into her that she doesn't doubt him. 0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:46.120 And it's just he's like he's sexy, but he's also 0:48:46.320 --> 0:48:49.719 just very devoted and it's a. It's a it's a 0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:53.840 place where she can land. That's a wonderful place to be, 0:48:53.960 --> 0:49:00.120 and it's not threatening. He's not competing with her for supremacy, 0:49:00.760 --> 0:49:04.480 and she doesn't feel like you might walk away and 0:49:04.480 --> 0:49:05.080 break her heart. 0:49:05.360 --> 0:49:10.920 Right. Oh, and what a great character. Great character, great character. 0:49:11.080 --> 0:49:14.080 I know, I know, all right. So I could talk 0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:17.120 to Cynthia for many, many hours, as you can tell. 0:49:17.200 --> 0:49:19.640 So we're going to make this into two episodes. You guys, 0:49:19.640 --> 0:49:23.320 please tune in to the next one.