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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? You guys, Cynthia Nixon's here? Is he

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Speaker 1: on the podcast? Are you a Charlotte? Which I think

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Speaker 1: the answer is not, I think not really. Thank you

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Speaker 1: Cynthia for being here, Thank you for having it. It's

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Speaker 1: beyond exciting, it is. It is so okay what we

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Speaker 1: want to do. I mean there's a lot, right, there's

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Speaker 1: like kind of endless amounts of things to talk about,

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Speaker 1: but what I want to do with you because I

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Speaker 1: have you here and for me, once I started rewatching,

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Speaker 1: which you remember, I never rewatched like I watched at

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Speaker 1: the time, but I find it like uncomfortable. But at

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Speaker 1: this point, looking back, it's not so uncomfortable for me.

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Speaker 1: It's more like archaeological, right, you know, like what is

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Speaker 1: going on? You know? So I really once we started

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Speaker 1: the podcast, I really felt like I need to have

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Speaker 1: us on to talk about the beginnings, right, because all

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Speaker 1: of us had different experiences and all of us were

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Speaker 1: coming from different places, you know, and that's what's kind

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Speaker 1: of so interesting about it. I think in a way,

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Speaker 1: like we were all so different in terms of the

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Speaker 1: careers we were having and then we all came together

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Speaker 1: for this and magic happened, and here we are almost

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Speaker 1: thirty years later, which you know, crazy, insane to think crazy.

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Speaker 1: So tell us a little bit about I mean, should

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Speaker 1: I intro a little like, you know, you were at

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Speaker 1: this incredible Broadway actress. I mean I had seen Cynthia,

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Speaker 1: not knowing Cynthia in when when uh, I really bly,

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Speaker 1: I saw the other one, the real thing, the real thing,

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Speaker 1: which I love so much. She was in two Broadway

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Speaker 1: plays across the street from each other at the same time. Okay,

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Speaker 1: she'd done Juliet and Shakespeare in the Park. You'd been

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Speaker 1: in Amadaeus. I mean just you'd been in.

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Speaker 2: The I've with Robert Altman and Sarah Jessica and I

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Speaker 2: of course really knew each other, which was amazing because

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Speaker 2: we were child actors in.

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Speaker 1: New York, right, and you're in that. We did a

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Speaker 1: bunch of things to get Vanessa red Grave.

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Speaker 2: We played sisters in a TV movie with Vanessa Redgrave

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Speaker 1: Yes, unbelievable. So when did you hear about Sex and City?

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Speaker 1: When did you get the script? What did you think? So?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so again, as I think you've talked a tiny

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Speaker 2: the premise was that we were going to really as

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Speaker 2: this horrible thing happened to So when I first read

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Speaker 2: the script, they asked me to read for Carrie, as

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Speaker 2: I think they asked you to read for Carrie.

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Speaker 1: I did not know this.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they asked me to read for Carrie, right, And

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Speaker 2: then I did and they were like, yeah, not so much.

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Speaker 2: We had Cosby, I think we had Kate and Ally

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Speaker 2: But there's like seven women on that show. Couldn't I

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Speaker 1: So then they really liked me. I mean it's like

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Speaker 2: And I think and I can't. Oh, it's so terrible

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Speaker 2: was that Where was that? Remember there was that diner?

434
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Speaker 5: Yes?

435
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: On Long Island City? And when what episode is that?

436
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like Skipper goes there with Carrie.

437
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 1: So someone goes there with Gary and I'm like, there's

438
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: a diner. There's a diner that we use. That's a

439
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 1: real diner Stanford, remember the place. They would like put

440
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 1: us in the van and drive us over there. And

441
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 1: it was kind of not the cleanest I don't want

442
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: to say anything, right.

443
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 2: We were like, oh, there's very interesting tile on the walls.

444
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 1: Very I mean ugly would be a word. Ugly would

445
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 1: be a word.

446
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

447
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 1: That didn't last long. It didn't last long at all.

448
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 1: But the other thing I think when I look back

449
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 1: on these early episodes is to me, New York looks

450
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 1: so different. It looks like it's the eighties, you know

451
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like it's like and the cars and

452
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 1: like in this particular in the episode twenty something Guys

453
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:47,919
Speaker 1: or Value of the twenty something Guys, you know, we

454
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 1: go to these bars right like downstairs and they're just

455
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 1: like nothing. They're just like a dark room right in

456
00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 1: the basement. It's so eighties. Yeah, so interesting to me.

457
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 1: I don't really remember it, Like I don't know where

458
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 1: we are. I have no idea, no memory of that, right,

459
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,479
Speaker 1: And Charlotte doesn't really get to go very often, like

460
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 1: the first, you guys are in chaos that can't remember chaos.

461
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a real place or not.

462
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: I don't think probably in the pilot. Yeah, but you're there.

463
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 1: That's when Skipper comes and you push him up up

464
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 1: against the wall. It's so good, Right, that's a pilot.

465
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: I think it's excellent, excellent, But I'm not there. I'm

466
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: with that dude up on the stairs of the met right, yeah, right,

467
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: just thinking I'm on like the perfect date. And then

468
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 1: he goes, oh, has sex with Samantha. I know, poor

469
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: Charlotte's mess. So wait, let's get back to you. Let's

470
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: get back to you. So we start the pilot. You

471
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: you did feel like it was the holy Grail. So

472
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: you had a sense that it was amazing, well for

473
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: me because I was at a point like I had

474
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: a kid and like an uh like I just bought

475
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: an apartment, and like I needed to earn some money. Yeah,

476
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: like and and so much so that after literally twenty

477
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: years of saying I will not audition for anything that

478
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: shoots in la you know, like a long term or

479
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: even really sure you know, yeah, I was like, get

480
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: me a TV show, and it was like, here's a

481
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: TV show here. Wow, that's so great.

482
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so I did feel like it was

483
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 2: the holy Grail.

484
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And when we actually did the pilot, did

485
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 1: you feel like wow, wow, wow or did you feel like,

486
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: oh my god. I always thought it was all great.

487
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: I just thought it was all great.

488
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 2: You know, I thought, how am I gonna be this like,

489
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 2: you know, sexy person that's like going on all these

490
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 2: like never dated, I had like long term relationship.

491
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: I never remember you saying this, Yeah right. I also

492
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: remember you saying I never had like girlfriends where we

493
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: would like go around and kind of like be powerful like.

494
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,719
Speaker 2: This or flirty flirty right, my my my girlfriends. Right,

495
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 2: we're not ever out on the prowl, and we never were.

496
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 2: We're like my friends from h school. We like hang

497
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 2: out with the boys in our high school.

498
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, as I do. It was

499
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 1: not like we'd go and meet strangers and go to

500
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: bed with them. I know, I know, I know. It's

501
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 1: super interesting to look at the beginning episodes, like there's

502
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 1: a you know, like a it's very sex positive, which

503
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: is wonderful before we ever called it that, but also

504
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 1: like an openness like a you know, Everyone's not everyone.

505
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 1: I guess Charlotte's not, but like Carrie especially like a

506
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: value of the twins something guys, you know, I mean,

507
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 1: it's it's very interesting.

508
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 2: Well, so remember there was all this stuff. I don't

509
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: know if you've spoken about this yet, but there was

510
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 2: all this stuff.

511
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: There was this backlash.

512
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: Where people were sort of some people were like horrified, right,

513
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: and said, these aren't women, right, women don't act like this,

514
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: women don't talk like this, women don't have this kind

515
00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: of lack of inhibition and lack of sentimental romantic no necessity.

516
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: Right, these are gay men disguised. If you remember this,

517
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: it was great and trouble right, it was very annoying.

518
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: And I also remember, and I don't remember what season

519
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 2: it was, where we had a reporter like, we're all

520
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: four of us were talking to this person on time

521
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: and the reporter said, do you think this is a

522
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 2: feminist show? And all four of us basically almost took

523
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: that person's head off. We were like, well, of course

524
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 2: it's a feminist show. What's wrong with you? Yes, we're

525
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 2: all feminists. It's a feminist show. What would it be

526
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 2: if it wasn't a feminist show? Because we're wearing lipstick

527
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 2: and high heels. It's not a feminist show. What's wrong

528
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: with You?

529
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 1: Absolutely, But I do think that that also reminds me

530
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: of the different times, you know, and the fact that

531
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: we were not there was no blueprint for us, you know,

532
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: and and that in some ways is I think this

533
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: kind of magic about us coming together and HBO allowing

534
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: us to find ourselves and then also being able to

535
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: do the movies and then also being able to do

536
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: and just like that, I mean, like there is no blueprint,

537
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: there is nothing else.

538
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 2: But you know what, it's really funny for me because,

539
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 2: as I said, I started acting when I was like

540
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,719
Speaker 2: eleven twelve, and one of the very first things that

541
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 2: I did was this movie All Little Darlings, which is

542
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 2: starring Tatum O'Neill and Christy McNicol. And then there are

543
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: six of us who aren't those two people.

544
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: So they're eight.

545
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 2: Young women amazing, and we're all like, we're all supposed

546
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: to be like mid teens, I would say, and some

547
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 2: of us like me or twelve as I'm tall, and

548
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 2: other people are like eighteen, but they're playing fifteen whatever.

549
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: We're all playing like yeah.

550
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 2: And it's about two girls who don't like each other

551
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 2: at summer camp and somebody starts a bet to see

552
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: which one of them can lose their virginity first. Wow,

553
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 2: And all the rest of us line up with one

554
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: or the other and there's lots of betting on it,

555
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: and who camp.

556
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: Right gets involved.

557
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 4: Wow.

558
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 2: And this was a very popular, successful movie that it's like,

559
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 2: very dear to a lot of people's hearts. But when

560
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: it came out, I remember one review that started, now

561
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: here's a disgusting idea for a movie, right, Critics were horrified,

562
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 2: And this was like literally twenty years later, and it

563
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: was I was like, it was deja vue for me.

564
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: It was like, here are women who are talking about

565
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: sex and the possibilities of sex with their female friends

566
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: and then going out and assertively pursuing it. And audiences

567
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: are like, wow, cool and critics are.

568
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: Like, ew, so crazy. It's but I.

569
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: Mean I think that that's I mean, you know, it's

570
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: a show that women and gay men have always particularly

571
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: you know, embraced. But we would hear again and again

572
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: and again. Was first on was like the men want

573
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 2: to watch it too, and the girlfriends get them to

574
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: watch it, or the wives get them to watch it,

575
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: and then they're fascinated and they love it and they're entertained.

576
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: But also then it sparks all these conversations about this

577
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: semi taboo stuff that maybe if you're dating somebody you

578
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: wouldn't talk about it because you'd be shy or something,

579
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: but it's happening.

580
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: In the episode. So it's a perfect right, right, like

581
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: the up the butt stuff in the right. Of course,

582
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: everyone likes to say all the things that embarrass me.

583
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: But yes, very good example. And also such a fun

584
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: fun memory, so great, such a great memory and such

585
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: a funny I mean, now that I look back on it,

586
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: which I didn't really compute this or whatever. That's really

587
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: my first storyline, like where it's like a beginning, middle,

588
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,719
Speaker 1: and end right, like Carrie's like, you know, and then

589
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: Charlotte has a new boyfriend and we see him and

590
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, did I tell you it wants to buy

591
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: a painting, and you guys are like, oh, you know,

592
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: And then we do that scene. No, then we do

593
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 1: the seat then a caller right, and she's like, oh, Charlotte,

594
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: I got to run out of the house, right, And

595
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: I'm like she's like, I'll be right there. And then

596
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: we're in that big cab. Do you remember it was

597
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: like a nineteen seventies cab and Alice in the director

598
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: and Maurice who's French, the DP who I could never

599
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: say her name. Right, they're in the front seat. Do

600
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: you remember this with the handhad They're in the front

601
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: seat like on the floor. That's how big the cab

602
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: was that they could do that, and they would like

603
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: pop their heads up and give us direction as we're

604
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: driving around, then pop back down. And then we added

605
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: you guys. And I remember being so fun but also

606
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: being so even just like mortified to say the words

607
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: out loud. Yeah that I kept messing it up, like

608
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: I can't remember that say the words because the first

609
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,479
Speaker 1: time I say it is just sir, Jessica with me, right,

610
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: it's just carry with me, And I had so not

611
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,479
Speaker 1: said it in rehearsal. Do you remember how we used

612
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: to run our lines all the time, which I told

613
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: Michael Michaels like I didn't know this. I was like, wait,

614
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: we were so scared that we weren't gonna talk fast

615
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: enough for you.

616
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

617
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean at least I was right. So we

618
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: remember we were in the make Taylor just running, running, running, running, running.

619
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: Do you remember this? Did they have us do that?

620
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: Did they have us watch some like his Gal Friday

621
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: or something? I think you did, And I don't think

622
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: anyone told us to. I know, I think that was

623
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: your creative you know, thought process, right. And also I

624
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: was I told you I was going to tell you this.

625
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,959
Speaker 1: I do think this is when you started saying to

626
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: me quietly like, not my medium, not my medium, because

627
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: we'd be in some complex thing where they'd say like,

628
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: and then you find the lens, and then you move

629
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: forward and you find the lens.

630
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: And you just be like, not my media, right, And

631
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: I'd be like, it is getting the mark, finding the lens, continuity.

632
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: These have never been my strong suits. Well they are now.

633
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: Well that's very kind, it's true. But number two, I mean,

634
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: first of all, I see those early episodes. You're like

635
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: spot On, I mean, you're amazing, So you know some

636
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: of it, I think it's just your own mind. But

637
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: I also think also it is obviously a very different experience.

638
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: Doing a show is a very different experience than even

639
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: just a film. You know, Well, it's right, It's it's

640
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: not like one long arc.

641
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: It's like every week or every two weeks or whatever

642
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: it was, we got a new script and new things happened.

643
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: Definitely, new things happened. Also, we film a lot quicker,

644
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: especially back then. I remember we would film like so

645
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: many scenes in a day, and it was that was

646
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: partly why it was so complicated, right because we couldn't

647
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: like stop, like now now it and just like that

648
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: we do we take some time, you know, to you know,

649
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: do the singles and whatever. But back then we were

650
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: like on the go. Do you remember they used to

651
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: like wheel those huge lights down the street, you know,

652
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: from one location to the other. Like it was kind

653
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: of amazing to think about, like gorilla filmmaking a little bit.

654
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: Right, you know, in such crazy hours, like crazy hour,

655
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 2: never less than fifteen hours, often seventeen eighteen hours until

656
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 2: the same came up.

657
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I talked about it a little bit like back

658
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: then we felt like we we shouldn't say that. Do

659
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: you remember, like it was so long, right, like because

660
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: I remember how we shouldn't complain, Yeah, we should we

661
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: shouldn't complain, Yeah, because remember how people just come up

662
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: and be like it is so much fun. Like once

663
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: it started to kind of you know, take off, and

664
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: we'd be like yes, like as we're like, you know, fainting,

665
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: you know, as we're just so tired, right, But we

666
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: couldn't really say that. We thought our feet, yes, and

667
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: our feet. I mean, you know, I told them the story.

668
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: I had the bigger sized shoes for the weekend. My

669
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: tennis shoes were bigger so that I could like let

670
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: my little swollen feet rest. Yeah, because remember how we

671
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: would film till the sun rose and then start at

672
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: five am on Monday. You had this tiny little window

673
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: and you had a whole life. It was I think

674
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: eight months when we did the pilot. Exactly how did

675
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: you do that? Well? I don't know. I mean the pilot.

676
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: What I think of is when we were getting ready,

677
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: when we've been picked up and we were getting ready

678
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 2: to do the second episode, right, the first episode of

679
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: our first season.

680
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: Do you remember this? They so we shot in Silver Cup,

681
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: which is in Long Island City, and all of us

682
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: were living in Manhattan, right, I mean, Kristen had an

683
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: apartment in Manhattan, and they decided that we were going

684
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: to take the subway to work.

685
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 5: Oh my god, do you remember that. It was like,

686
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 5: we're not going to pick you all up. You have

687
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 5: to get here on your own. And so I think

688
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 5: I was coming for fittings or something, coming from.

689
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: Hitting where the where we were in the Where Island

690
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: city at the time.

691
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: Maybe well, this is before Google Maps, right, it is

692
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 2: a confusing, windy place. And so and my kid at

693
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 2: that point is I think like it's teen months or something.

694
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how old he is. And my father

695
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 2: has just died. He has died of like weeks before.

696
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: And my father was living in Mexico. So I don't

697
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 2: speak Spanish. I've gone down there. My boyfriend was sick.

698
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: I went down there by myself with my kid, not

699
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: speaking Spanish, to try and deal with his not only

700
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 2: his death. I mean he was cremated, so that wasn't

701
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 2: a big but you know, his belongings to his finance,

702
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 2: everything right, And so I came back. I'm coming for

703
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: this fitting where they've Shelley, remember Shelley. Shelley told me

704
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: that I had to take the subway or whatever. And

705
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: so I take my kid strapped to me on the

706
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: subway with all the diaper bags and whatnot, and I

707
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: get off the train in Long Island City and I

708
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: can't find it, and I'm walking around the streets and

709
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: I call Shelley and I'm like, Shelley, I have my

710
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: you know, fifteen month old. My father has just died.

711
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 2: I'm wandering around. Can someone please just pick me up?

712
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 2: So I think they gave up on the subway idea.

713
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: I think that must have been somewhere close to me

714
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: trying to also do the same thing with not a child,

715
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: but just my really challenge, you're not. I mean I

716
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: used to live here. It never you know, it's just

717
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: a challenge that I have right in wherever I am.

718
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: It's a challenge. And there was no phones to be doing.

719
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: There was no Google Maps, and there was no maps nothing.

720
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: And I had never in my life even heard of

721
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: Long Island City. I was like, I don't understand, like

722
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: just where are we? I just don't understand.

723
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: It's like a place where you assumed a lot of

724
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: like snuff films, anything could happen. What's happening behind those

725
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 2: doors exactly?

726
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: So I had gone tried to go to my fitting

727
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: sometime probably like the same day or next day or whatever.

728
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: It was raining, and I'm just wandering, you know, like

729
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: a little lost wet kitten, you know, like help me,

730
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: help me, anyone and then crying, you know, like finally,

731
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: like I think, Shelley, also, I don't even know if

732
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: I'm in longand City, like you know what I'm saying,

733
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: like all of it. And then she was like, yes,

734
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: Cynthia had a problem too. I was like, you know,

735
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: maybe you guys should send him. Remember the sixteen seater

736
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: that we did end up spending a lot of time anyway,

737
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: I do remember that. And I was like, if Cynthia

738
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: had a problem, I don't feel so bad, you know.

739
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: But then remember how we both lived on the Upper

740
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: West Side. Yes, and they would pictu us that blocks

741
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: from the blocks from each other, thank god, and they

742
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: would pick us up together, which is really fun. And

743
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: what Cynthia very kindly would run lines with me because

744
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: remember those times when I had those big speeches, yes,

745
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: like like very didactic, like soap boxy, like I'm gonna

746
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: get married and I'm going to follow this book and

747
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: I'm so hard and you know, we I talked to

748
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: Michael a little bit about like the word perfect. You know,

749
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: we had to be perfect. We still have to be perfect.

750
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: And comedy is very precise, you know, so I get that,

751
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 1: but it's sometimes challenging and Cynthia God bless her heart,

752
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: because I live by myself, right, so like you can

753
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: only somewhat do so much work in your own head,

754
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, to a certain extent, and then what would

755
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: happen is We'd get there and I'd get nervous and

756
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: I'd like just freeze up. So on the way down

757
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: town or to Silver Cup or whatever, Cynthia Wood run

758
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: lines with me so sweetly. Really saved myself so much.

759
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: That was fun, and like we were like kids. That's

760
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: the other thing that cracks me up when we watch,

761
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: Like do you I don't know how you think about this,

762
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: but like we look like little children. Well, yes, we're

763
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: very beautiful, but also so I have still you know,

764
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: baby fat no, well I mean from my baby right,

765
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: But also I have literally pimple on my chin like simples.

766
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: Take a look, my guy still have acne. Hysterical. But

767
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: the thing that's so funny is that I remember thinking,

768
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: because I was living in LA before we filmed, right,

769
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking, like, you know, I got to

770
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: get a job because like we don't have a lot

771
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: of time here. You know, this is back when like

772
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: when you were forty, which I don't think you probably

773
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: felt because you were a very theater and theater, thank god,

774
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: goes on forever, but like you had this sense of

775
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: like time is ticking, you've got to like make the

776
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: most of it because you're not going to last long.

777
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, that's the thing is like now we

778
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: look like such babies, but at the time that was

779
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 2: part of the point of the show that we weren't kids.

780
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: I know, that's what's so funny to me. But we were.

781
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: We were like mature women.

782
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: We had these careers and we were at a point

783
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: when you know, Charlotte or other people in previous or

784
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: you know, we're like, why aren't you marriedly getting married?

785
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: Were you going to marry? Absolutely? Actually, and in the

786
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: value of the twenty sething guys, when they cut to

787
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: the guys on the basketball court, which is one of

788
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: the most enjoyable, I know, it's finally like for me,

789
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: that's when the other people talking clicks in right in

790
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: a great way. All these guys and they're not so

791
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: horrible like in the every man is just like horrible, horrible,

792
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: So finally some of them are kind of likable and

793
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: one of them, you know, I think it starts the

794
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: basketball confessionals and he says, you know the great thing

795
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: about women in their thirties is they're just so grateful.

796
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, where we're gonna go, the journey we're

797
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: gonna go on? People? Oh my god? Who would have

798
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: ever thought? Yeah? Right? Yeah? And back then, I remember

799
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: also feeling because when I was auditioning, I would always

800
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: just lie about my age, Like whatever age the character was,

801
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: you'd pick like a year older or a you're younger,

802
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: and that's how old you'd say you were. At least

803
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: that's what I did. Huh. That's what all my friends

804
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: did in La. Wow. So for me, I was like, oh,

805
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: thank god, we're playing women are our thirties. I can

806
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: stop lying. You know. It's so exciting, right, Like it

807
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: was such a weight off my mind. And look at us,

808
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, we're like little tiny babies. No, little tiny babies.

809
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: But I think I think the you know, how much

810
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 2: sex we're having and going out and meeting people and

811
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 2: going out on dates and just picking people up, right,

812
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: there's all that which is different, and it's that it's

813
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: not it's not. I mean, I don't there is really

814
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: nothing to compare us to. I mean, what are you

815
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 2: going comparis to Charlie's Angels. I mean right, right, No,

816
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: there is a stretch man.

817
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: Right, I mean they don't talk to each other, right,

818
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: I mean then they also don't date. I mean they

819
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: I guess they don't think they shut around, right, But

820
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing, is like we're having all

821
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: this sex with all these different men that were actively pursuing,

822
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: and we're talking.

823
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: To each other about it, right, It's like we're together.

824
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: It's like Bechdel to the MH degree.

825
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: Yes, And that's what was so so special and amazing

826
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: about it. Now, let's talk about themes. Part of the

827
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: reason I wanted to do Are You a Charlotte was

828
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: because it seems like, I mean, first of all, you

829
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: know Netflix, We're on Netflix now, which is like we

830
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: could never have imagined these things, right, and all these

831
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 1: younger peop people are finding us, which is so exciting

832
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: and really kind of amazing and wonderful. And the themes

833
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: are still so resonant today. Yes, totally, and it's kind

834
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: of just a testament to our writing, you know, and

835
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: to just the I mean, it was kind of just

836
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: bravery on I guess. Well, but have you talked about

837
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: the thing about the one degree of separation thing about well,

838
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: you know that they had this rule in the writer's room.

839
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that.

840
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: You know, fantastical things happen on our show Crazy Zany,

841
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: like wow, cover your mouth, you're so shocked kind of things, right,

842
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: But that they had a rule in the writer's room

843
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: that you could only make a plot line around something

844
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: that had literally happened to you or someone you knew.

845
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: It can be like my friend's dentist's cast. I heard

846
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 2: this I had one time. Right, it had to be

847
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: you experienced it, or someone that you could get on

848
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: the phone and ask them about it in detail.

849
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: It happened to them.

850
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 2: So, I mean, I do think that that's one of

851
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 2: the reasons it really endures, is like it's the stuff

852
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: around it, even though it's it's real, even though it's like, oh.

853
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 1: My god, can you believe what happened on the show

854
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: last night?

855
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: Right, but it's it's it's real, and people really, you know,

856
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: put them the writers really put themselves in it and

857
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,479
Speaker 2: located the good and bad and funny and whatever say

858
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: things that were happening to right.

859
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: Right right, So true. But when you think back on

860
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Speaker 1: the themes, like what do you think of in terms

861
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 1: of like Miranda's themes or you know, what stands out

862
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: to you. What do you think of as your favorite

863
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: themes or your favorite relationships or things like that. Hmmm,

864
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 1: I know it's hard, so so so hmmm.

865
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: I mean I think maybe this is not what you're

866
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: talking about, but I mean, like the overarching theme is,

867
00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 2: obviously we're not sitting by the phone waiting for a

868
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: man to call in and ask us to marry him.

869
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: Right, It's like we possibly Charlotte is well, possibly Charlotte,

870
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: but then she but she's aggressively pursuing it, you know,

871
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: Susa pursuing it, and she and there's part of her

872
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: that that has this marriage goal in mind, but she

873
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: also kind of wants to experiment. And she's certainly more

874
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: experimental than you realize. And sure she really is. And

875
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Speaker 1: I remember, of course we did the thing.

876
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: They had a thing in a magazine about who had

877
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: had the most It was the book.

878
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: It was a book. It was a tell in the

879
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: back of the book. But it wasn't it. It had

880
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: all the sure, wasn't it.

881
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,439
Speaker 2: Even before there was a magazine article. You're resting how

882
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 2: many sex partners each of them they had and that Charlotte, surprisingly,

883
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: I know one had been with Marmon.

884
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Speaker 1: But I also think that is what I love about

885
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: when we think back, And I kind of was aware

886
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Speaker 1: of this at the time because like, for instance, you

887
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: weren't Miranda, right, so you playing Miranda, you brought different

888
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: things to it. You brought kind of some friction to it.

889
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: Sara Jessica is not Carrie, you know, and she didn't

890
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: want to show her body all the time, you know,

891
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: So it created kind of a friction. Like all of

892
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: us being together and being such different people created kind

893
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: of an interesting friction. Charlotte wanted to get married, but

894
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: also being the one who literally has the most you know,

895
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: hookups or whatever. It's interesting, right, Like, it wasn't as

896
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 1: much as people think that we were archetypes and whatnot,

897
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: which I get right, right, It really was more complex

898
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: than that, and certainly, like the underlying thing as opposed

899
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Speaker 1: to what we were showing, I think created a depth

900
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: and a like a frision kind of right.

901
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: So I feel like in terms of Miranda, obviously she's

902
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 2: very she's very smart, she's very quippy, she's very cynical,

903
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: she's very driven, she's all about her work, and getting ahead,

904
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 2: right and competing with men on an equal footing. I'm

905
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 2: interested in having sex, but she really has thought not

906
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: at all about the idea of marriage or long term monogamy,

907
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: much less children or anything like that.

908
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Speaker 1: Which is so great how it unfolds, right, yeah.

909
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: And so so the fun thing about her has always

910
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: been that she has this really tough, armored exterior, but

911
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 2: that she has all this fragility side right, And so

912
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Speaker 2: I feel like, for me, the turning point from Miranda was,

913
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Speaker 2: I believe it's Jenny Bick's first episode. That's one of

914
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Speaker 2: our writers, and when she first came on board, she

915
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Speaker 2: wrote the episode where Miranda buys her first apartment.

916
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Speaker 1: That's a good one, right, yeah, And it's like, as

917
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Speaker 1: a single woman, what does that mean? Is that intimidating

918
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Speaker 1: to a man when you when you already own and

919
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: you're not waiting for him to buy something with him

920
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: that you choose together, right, And that Miranda is really

921
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: determined and excited, But then it brings up all of

922
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: these demons for her about what does this mean buying

923
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: this apartment? Does this mean I'll always be alone?

924
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: And she and I'll die alone and like no one

925
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: will know and the cat will eat my face. Right,

926
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: it's so good, it's so great, and she starts to

927
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Speaker 2: have these panic attacks, which.

928
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Speaker 1: Seem very Unmeranda.

929
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Speaker 2: And you know, and in the same way that Michael

930
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Speaker 2: Patrick talks about with Charlotte, Charlotte is a beautiful, intelligent, warm,

931
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Speaker 2: career person who wants to get married. And so Michael

932
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 2: Patrick says, at a certain point, even though it's about

933
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: single women, we got a let her get married because

934
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Speaker 2: we just can't believe we lost.

935
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Speaker 1: It's incredulous, right, she she want to get married. She's

936
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Speaker 1: gonna get married, right, and then it's not going to

937
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: work out, that's the point. So and the same with Miranda.

938
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Speaker 2: He was like, how much how brittle and bitter can

939
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: we make her? It's like, finally she is gonna just break,

940
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 2: so we have to Finally.

941
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Speaker 1: I guess it's season two. I'm not sure.

942
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Speaker 2: You know, they bring in Steep, right, somebody who is

943
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 2: like the antidote like to all of the who is

944
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 2: happy to be the beta to her alpha, right, and

945
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 2: who is so into her that she doesn't doubt him.

946
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: And it's just he's like he's sexy, but he's also

947
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 2: just very devoted and it's a. It's a it's a

948
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 2: place where she can land. That's a wonderful place to be,

949
00:48:53,960 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 2: and it's not threatening. He's not competing with her for supremacy,

950
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: and she doesn't feel like you might walk away and

951
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: break her heart.

952
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Speaker 1: Right. Oh, and what a great character. Great character, great character.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, all right. So I could talk

954
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Speaker 1: to Cynthia for many, many hours, as you can tell.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to make this into two episodes. You guys,

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Speaker 1: please tune in to the next one.