WEBVTT - Legally Brunette: The Patrick Clancy Interview 0:00:01.810 --> 0:00:04.269 Hi, guys. Welcome to Legally Brunette. I will be your 0:00:04.290 --> 0:00:06.230 host today, Emily Simpson with. 0:00:06.510 --> 0:00:06.790 Shane. 0:00:07.270 --> 0:00:10.430 Okay, because we have been following the Lindsay Clancy trial, 0:00:10.490 --> 0:00:13.150 and we've done three episodes so far on Legally Brunette 0:00:13.410 --> 0:00:15.650 covering the trial. Also, by the way, if you haven't 0:00:15.690 --> 0:00:18.529 listened to those, I think they're pretty well done. I 0:00:18.550 --> 0:00:20.889 think they're pretty good. So, you know, I would suggest 0:00:20.930 --> 0:00:22.570 you guys go back and listen to those if you 0:00:22.610 --> 0:00:26.380 haven't yet. But because Patrick Clancy has decided to give 0:00:26.420 --> 0:00:29.980 a 60-minute interview, we are going to go through his 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:33.800 interview and discuss it. Also, by the way, I was 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:37.140 under the assumption because the interview was on 60 minutes 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:40.989 that I thought his interview would be 60 minutes. So 0:00:41.070 --> 0:00:43.490 then when I watched it, it ended up only being 0:00:43.490 --> 0:00:44.230 14 minutes. 0:00:44.330 --> 0:00:45.470 I thought it was a bit of a. 0:00:45.750 --> 0:00:46.610 I was confused. 0:00:46.850 --> 0:00:49.390 It was a... Yeah. 0:00:49.729 --> 0:00:50.010 Yeah. 0:00:50.229 --> 0:00:53.169 I was hyped up and it really... Maybe that's why 0:00:53.260 --> 0:00:55.900 it's 15 minutes. Maybe they interviewed him for an hour 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:56.980 and like, this isn't that good. 0:00:57.340 --> 0:00:57.800 Probably. 0:00:57.820 --> 0:00:58.900 Yeah. All right. 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:02.400 So let's talk about it. So Patrick Clancy speaks publicly 0:01:02.420 --> 0:01:05.270 for the first time since the Lindsay Clancy trial in 0:01:05.310 --> 0:01:11.490 this 60 Minutes interview. Patrick describes noticing Lindsay's deterioration beginning 0:01:11.530 --> 0:01:15.110 in October of 2022 when their youngest child, Callan, was 0:01:15.220 --> 0:01:20.319 just five months old. He claims that Lindsay stopped sleeping 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:24.800 and sank into severe depression. He admits he was largely unprepared. 0:01:25.380 --> 0:01:27.899 I didn't know how to manage a postpartum illness and 0:01:27.940 --> 0:01:31.270 believes the deceptive nature of mental illness meant he likely 0:01:31.340 --> 0:01:32.470 missed warning signs. 0:01:32.510 --> 0:01:34.850 You know, I saw that part. I thought how true 0:01:34.910 --> 0:01:35.410 that is. 0:01:35.490 --> 0:01:35.970 Yeah. 0:01:36.430 --> 0:01:37.490 Just people in general. 0:01:37.650 --> 0:01:37.870 Yeah. 0:01:38.330 --> 0:01:43.870 I mean, it's not, it's like she has, any female 0:01:43.910 --> 0:01:51.070 has postpartum issues. It's totally valid and serious. But that's not, 0:01:51.230 --> 0:01:53.840 and it's not just like, oh, go get help. It's like, well, 0:01:53.860 --> 0:01:58.160 then the spouse has to know how to navigate that. Right. 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:02.540 And support them. Like that's, that's, it was kind of sad. 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:03.080 It was. 0:02:03.340 --> 0:02:05.880 It was like, oh, you know, he didn't know how, 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:07.600 and I don't know how to either, but he didn't 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:10.770 know how to handle it. So it's like, she goes 0:02:10.810 --> 0:02:11.830 and gets treatment, right? 0:02:12.050 --> 0:02:13.090 Well, she's trying to get treatment. 0:02:13.150 --> 0:02:14.810 Right. Trying to get treatment. And I'm not going to 0:02:14.850 --> 0:02:16.390 judge the treatment, whether it was good or bad, but 0:02:16.450 --> 0:02:20.250 she's trying to get treatment. And it's like, maybe there 0:02:20.270 --> 0:02:24.720 should be treatment for, like the spouse, which is how 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:25.940 to handle it. Because isn't that what they do when 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.640 they go to rehab? Then the family also needs to 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:31.800 go to some sort of seminar or some type of 0:02:32.419 --> 0:02:36.480 educational thing on how to deal with someone that's sober, 0:02:36.540 --> 0:02:41.000 that's a recovering addict. Like that's what, in this case, 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:41.870 the men need. 0:02:42.190 --> 0:02:42.750 Yeah, you're right. 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.609 So it's like, okay, here's your prescription. And sir, here's 0:02:46.630 --> 0:02:49.290 your prescription. I mean, something. 0:02:50.370 --> 0:02:54.090 Over the following months, Lindsay made repeated ER visits, entered 0:02:54.130 --> 0:02:57.750 a brief inpatient program, and was prescribed numerous medications. On 0:02:57.790 --> 0:03:01.180 New Year's Eve, she checked herself into McLean Psychiatric Hospital 0:03:01.700 --> 0:03:05.440 and was treated for depression before being released just days later. 0:03:05.460 --> 0:03:09.139 He does talk about, I believe, that she claimed she 0:03:09.180 --> 0:03:10.640 wanted to go home. I think that was of her 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.700 own accord that she said that she wanted to leave. 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:14.120 Yeah. 0:03:15.050 --> 0:03:18.230 The family celebrated their daughter Cora's birthday on January 7th 0:03:18.330 --> 0:03:22.030 and 17 days after that. This is when the unthinkable happened. 0:03:22.970 --> 0:03:26.030 So on January 24th of 2023, Patrick came home to 0:03:26.050 --> 0:03:28.910 find Lindsay in the backyard, her throat and wrist cut 0:03:29.010 --> 0:03:32.600 and paralyzed after jumping from an upstairs window in the basement. 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.940 He found Cora and Dawson strangled and dead. And Callan 0:03:35.980 --> 0:03:38.480 who was five months old was still alive and was 0:03:38.580 --> 0:03:43.650 airlifted to Boston children's hospital. Um, I don't know. You know, 0:03:43.670 --> 0:03:45.790 I feel like through this trial, the one thing that 0:03:45.810 --> 0:03:47.990 I think bothers me the most is that I feel 0:03:48.030 --> 0:03:50.380 like the true victims in this case, the three children, 0:03:50.410 --> 0:03:54.380 get lost in all of the social media hype as to, 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.420 you know, whether it was investigated correctly, whether Patrick was involved. 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:00.480 Patrick had something to do with it. I feel like 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:04.200 the true victims are lost in all of that. 0:04:04.420 --> 0:04:05.340 But what's to be done? 0:04:05.860 --> 0:04:08.500 Because I feel like there's just too much focus on 0:04:09.220 --> 0:04:13.740 Patrick and his... demeanor and whether he said something correctly 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:17.020 or not, or whether he was stoic or emotional or, 0:04:17.620 --> 0:04:19.050 you know, at the end of the day, it's just, 0:04:19.110 --> 0:04:21.589 I feel like there was just a loss of three 0:04:21.690 --> 0:04:24.350 children and, you know, these people that are all over, 0:04:25.150 --> 0:04:28.210 you know, him as far as him being involved or, 0:04:29.020 --> 0:04:31.540 You know, they probably couldn't tell you anything about the 0:04:31.620 --> 0:04:34.750 three children, their birthdays or their favorite toy or their 0:04:34.790 --> 0:04:37.770 favorite color. I just feel like the victims are so 0:04:37.890 --> 0:04:40.470 lost in this that people don't know anything about them. 0:04:40.529 --> 0:04:43.869 They're just so, they just want to analyze his every 0:04:44.029 --> 0:04:45.610 word and every move. 0:04:45.630 --> 0:04:46.180 Mm-hmm. 0:04:47.529 --> 0:04:50.430 Patrick says he arrived at the hospital that night begging 0:04:51.270 --> 0:04:53.310 that he claims he said, just give me one, just 0:04:53.330 --> 0:04:56.130 give me one kid. But when he saw the doctor's expression, 0:04:56.270 --> 0:05:00.380 he knew it would be bad news. I know he 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.860 claims that he says that he spent those four days 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:07.100 in the hospital with Callan. Callan's heart kept beating for 0:05:07.140 --> 0:05:09.800 four more days. And Patrick describes lying next to him 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.620 in the hospital bed, holding his hand and saying, I'm 0:05:12.700 --> 0:05:16.740 so sorry. Callan died in his arms. You know, the 0:05:16.779 --> 0:05:18.839 people didn't know that, you know, they talk about how 0:05:18.900 --> 0:05:23.600 his demeanor on the stand was, you know, stoic or 0:05:23.860 --> 0:05:27.979 unemotional or whatever, but they don't, they don't know what 0:05:28.100 --> 0:05:30.110 he went through. They don't know what he acted like 0:05:30.130 --> 0:05:32.350 when he was in the hospital. They don't know what 0:05:32.390 --> 0:05:34.330 his sentiments were, how he acted when he was in 0:05:34.350 --> 0:05:38.089 the hospital for four days, holding his baby's hand before 0:05:38.130 --> 0:05:40.290 he finally passed away in his arms. You know, a 0:05:40.330 --> 0:05:42.960 lot of that is forgotten and left out. And it's 0:05:42.980 --> 0:05:44.640 just more of like, oh, he's on the stand testifying. 0:05:44.660 --> 0:05:47.020 But if he didn't visit the child and he didn't 0:05:47.060 --> 0:05:49.700 hold the child for four days, that would have been 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:50.420 all over. 0:05:50.740 --> 0:05:51.120 Oh, yeah. 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:55.050 But the fact that he was loving and kind and 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:58.930 being close to them during this time, that didn't, no 0:05:58.970 --> 0:05:59.729 one cared to share that. 0:05:59.930 --> 0:06:02.849 Well, I don't know if that information was out there 0:06:02.990 --> 0:06:03.410 or even. 0:06:03.790 --> 0:06:07.049 Well, that's my point though. Yeah. Had he not visited, 0:06:07.070 --> 0:06:08.609 it would have somehow gotten out there. Yeah. 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:18.860 Patrick also claims that during that time period when he 0:06:18.900 --> 0:06:21.039 was in the hospital and he was with Callan, he 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:24.040 also typed tributes. He said he was holding his son 0:06:24.060 --> 0:06:26.060 with one hand and he was typing with his other hand. 0:06:26.580 --> 0:06:28.860 He typed tributes to his three children with one hand 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.500 while holding Callan's hand with the other. He didn't want 0:06:31.550 --> 0:06:35.520 them to be forgotten. Patrick also made a public statement 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:38.050 just days after the murders in which he forgave Lindsay. 0:06:38.610 --> 0:06:40.990 He says that he's, he talked about how he said 0:06:41.029 --> 0:06:42.910 it in the news and all the articles that were 0:06:42.950 --> 0:06:44.770 coming out, they were calling her a monster and a 0:06:44.810 --> 0:06:46.529 killer mom and all of those things. 0:06:46.790 --> 0:06:48.330 And then he said, none of it was true. And 0:06:49.510 --> 0:06:52.490 I was kind of like, okay, I think I know 0:06:52.529 --> 0:06:55.850 where he's going, which is like labeling her a monster. 0:06:57.450 --> 0:06:59.090 But she did kill her three kids. 0:06:59.820 --> 0:07:00.289 She did. 0:07:00.310 --> 0:07:04.090 I guess. It's an accurate label to say she's a killer. Right. 0:07:04.450 --> 0:07:07.190 I guess what he didn't like was the reference to 0:07:07.210 --> 0:07:08.730 her being a monster. 0:07:08.750 --> 0:07:08.830 Yeah. 0:07:09.510 --> 0:07:10.050 And so. 0:07:10.290 --> 0:07:13.750 Cause he's saying for many of their years, she was 0:07:13.790 --> 0:07:16.390 not a monster, right? Like she had a, she had 0:07:16.410 --> 0:07:18.450 a moment. Right. You could put it like that, but 0:07:18.470 --> 0:07:22.090 I mean like, you know, it didn't define her entire existence. Right. 0:07:22.190 --> 0:07:25.590 And he claims that he rejected the media framing her 0:07:25.670 --> 0:07:28.350 as a killer mom or a monster because because he 0:07:28.390 --> 0:07:31.750 believes her mental illness was responsible for her actions. And 0:07:31.810 --> 0:07:33.980 he added, if I didn't get there, I would be 0:07:34.070 --> 0:07:35.640 eaten up inside forever. 0:07:35.660 --> 0:07:39.180 It's probably easier for him to say she had a 0:07:39.220 --> 0:07:41.240 mental illness too, whether he believes it or not. I'm 0:07:41.260 --> 0:07:42.040 not trying to say that. 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.320 Yeah. Well, I, you know, he claims he had to 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:47.710 get to the part. He says that he, she didn't 0:07:47.770 --> 0:07:51.070 ask him to forgive her. He just claims that he 0:07:51.110 --> 0:07:53.130 forgave her on his own because he needed to, because 0:07:53.270 --> 0:07:57.160 he had to, in order to be able to move on. Right. Um, 0:07:57.420 --> 0:08:00.500 he did not, the, the interviewer asked, did you ask 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:02.990 Lindsay why she did it? And he says, I didn't 0:08:03.050 --> 0:08:04.990 ask her why she did it, but he asked if 0:08:05.030 --> 0:08:08.310 she remembered what happened. And she told him that it 0:08:08.330 --> 0:08:11.650 was like a dream vivid, but distant. And I was 0:08:11.690 --> 0:08:13.670 trying to picture that because when you, when you're asleep 0:08:13.730 --> 0:08:15.610 and you know, you're dreaming and then you wake up 0:08:15.650 --> 0:08:17.860 and you come out of a dream, it is a 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:18.920 very weird state. 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.660 Well, it's like, okay. When you come to the realization 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:23.990 that was a dream or a nightmare, um, But you 0:08:24.050 --> 0:08:26.630 still have those emotions, right? Like, oh my gosh, but 0:08:26.650 --> 0:08:29.340 that was scary. Yeah. But you're not there anymore. So 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:31.560 it doesn't matter. But you still feel it. So you're 0:08:31.580 --> 0:08:32.550 kind of in and out of it. 0:08:32.700 --> 0:08:35.760 You feel it. But have you ever tried to remember 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:39.170 a dream? And it's so lucid. Like, you can't ever 0:08:39.270 --> 0:08:40.170 remember it in a. 0:08:40.270 --> 0:08:43.890 Well, you don't remember your dreams. It's very different. Like... 0:08:44.670 --> 0:08:47.170 Sometimes you'll wake up and you'll remember a dream. Then 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.000 later in the day, you can't remember what you had. 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:49.859 Yeah, dreams are weird. 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:51.560 I remember my dad told me, he goes, if you 0:08:51.580 --> 0:08:53.179 get a journal and you wake up in the morning, 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:55.020 you try to remember your dream and you write it down. 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.380 He goes, then you'll go back and look at it 0:08:57.559 --> 0:08:58.819 even later that day. And you'll be like, oh, I 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:01.699 don't remember anything like that. And I did that once. 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:03.380 You wrote in a journal? 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:06.630 Yeah. I probably still have it. And I wrote my dreams. 0:09:06.770 --> 0:09:09.969 And I bought a journal just for dreams. Yeah. Yeah. 0:09:10.179 --> 0:09:11.760 And I did it for a couple of weeks and 0:09:11.780 --> 0:09:13.800 I wrote a handful in there and there's some crazy 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:16.160 stuff in there. Like this is all stupid stuff. Like, 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:20.610 you know, like kid stuff. It wasn't like nothing dramatic. 0:09:20.650 --> 0:09:21.770 How old are you when you're doing this? 0:09:21.950 --> 0:09:24.670 I was high school. And so I wrote these dreams 0:09:24.710 --> 0:09:26.390 and every day I'd wake up and I'd get the 0:09:26.429 --> 0:09:29.429 habit of waking up and then trying to remember my dream. 0:09:29.790 --> 0:09:32.750 And you would remember some things if you made the effort. Yeah. 0:09:32.809 --> 0:09:35.160 And then I'd quickly like write a paragraph down. Yeah. 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:36.699 And then I'd later go back and read it and 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:37.579 be like, oh, that's weird. 0:09:37.980 --> 0:09:39.740 Yeah. And you have this journal still? 0:09:40.250 --> 0:09:41.490 Yeah, probably. It's probably in my box. 0:09:41.510 --> 0:09:45.230 We're going to find it. That's the next episode. Shane's 0:09:45.309 --> 0:09:46.530 high school dreams. 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.260 Oh, you don't want to look into my head in 0:09:50.300 --> 0:09:50.940 high school. 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:51.439 Oh, goodness. 0:09:52.620 --> 0:09:53.840 So what was the point of all that? 0:09:54.220 --> 0:09:54.640 Oh, yeah. 0:09:54.660 --> 0:09:56.510 So she had a dream. She felt it was like 0:09:56.550 --> 0:09:58.510 a dream. Yes. Right? Or something like that. 0:09:58.750 --> 0:10:00.770 Yeah, but I don't understand. I've like, I don't know. 0:10:00.860 --> 0:10:03.180 That means she had some awareness. 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.780 Some recollection, right? Here's my thoughts on this interview before 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:07.580 we go any further. 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:08.080 I think. 0:10:09.490 --> 0:10:12.290 that he's trying to clean up his public image as 0:10:12.390 --> 0:10:14.250 well as his wife who comes in at the end. 0:10:14.770 --> 0:10:16.100 The reason why he did the interview. 0:10:16.250 --> 0:10:19.200 But I think that's the reason why he agreed to 0:10:19.220 --> 0:10:22.540 the interview. I think the interview was only 14 minutes 0:10:22.660 --> 0:10:25.479 because they probably removed so much from the interview. 0:10:25.500 --> 0:10:26.459 There probably wasn't much more there. 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:28.360 No, I think that he talked for a long time. 0:10:28.380 --> 0:10:29.719 I mean, they went to different locations. 0:10:29.740 --> 0:10:30.340 What do you think he said? 0:10:31.059 --> 0:10:34.060 I'm just saying he probably has attorneys on his side 0:10:34.140 --> 0:10:36.020 that were saying, take that out. Because they got a 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:39.990 lot of backlash. Remember they released that clip of Rachel 0:10:40.030 --> 0:10:42.550 Danis talking about how she met Patrick. And she's like, 0:10:42.990 --> 0:10:45.730 I was just a girl on a cold Saturday. I 0:10:45.809 --> 0:10:46.970 just fell in love. 0:10:47.010 --> 0:10:47.290 Yes. 0:10:47.350 --> 0:10:49.410 And a lot of people were making fun of her. 0:10:49.450 --> 0:10:52.589 They were equating it to that line that Julia Roberts 0:10:52.610 --> 0:10:54.809 delivers in Notting Hill when she says, I'm just a 0:10:54.850 --> 0:10:58.460 girl standing in front of a boy. Asking him to 0:10:58.540 --> 0:11:01.370 love her. See, I know it's not. Well, I saw 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.130 it many, many times. Anyway, a lot of people were 0:11:04.170 --> 0:11:06.290 making fun of her online and talk, you know what 0:11:06.309 --> 0:11:09.030 I mean? So that clip was not in this interview. 0:11:09.170 --> 0:11:13.410 So I'm saying, I think they got a preemptive look 0:11:13.550 --> 0:11:16.770 at like how social media was going to respond to 0:11:16.790 --> 0:11:17.970 the things that they were saying. 0:11:18.290 --> 0:11:20.010 And I think that might've been intended to be an 0:11:20.090 --> 0:11:22.310 entire episode. Yes. I think it was supposed to be 0:11:22.350 --> 0:11:25.309 got cut short for a number of reasons. And they're like, okay, well, uh, 0:11:25.660 --> 0:11:27.830 There's the Catholic Church. We can always find something on them. 0:11:27.870 --> 0:11:29.530 Let's talk about them. Because didn't they all of a 0:11:29.530 --> 0:11:31.030 sudden go into the Catholic Church? I was like, what 0:11:31.070 --> 0:11:31.450 is this? 0:11:31.550 --> 0:11:34.050 Yeah, because it was only 14 minutes long. And so 0:11:34.290 --> 0:11:37.490 my thought is they probably had planned to have a 0:11:37.690 --> 0:11:39.490 full 60-minute episode. 0:11:39.510 --> 0:11:41.110 It's 60-minute worthy. Right. 0:11:41.670 --> 0:11:44.270 But I think it got cut to 14 minutes because, 0:11:44.290 --> 0:11:46.000 first of all, they probably only agreed to do the 0:11:46.010 --> 0:11:49.380 interview with a lot of stipulations in place, right? That 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:51.939 they got to preview it first, that their attorneys. 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:54.000 Got to look at it. No incriminating statements. 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.380 Right, a first refusal as to what was able to 0:11:56.420 --> 0:11:58.500 be put out there. I'm sure for them to sit 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:01.020 down and do that interview that they had a lot of. 0:12:01.020 --> 0:12:03.390 And then the next question is... How much did he 0:12:03.429 --> 0:12:03.950 get paid? 0:12:04.110 --> 0:12:05.990 That is the question. I do want to know that. 0:12:06.010 --> 0:12:07.050 Cause you know, they got paid. 0:12:07.290 --> 0:12:08.969 Oh, he should get paid. I wouldn't do it if 0:12:09.010 --> 0:12:10.350 I wasn't getting paid. 0:12:10.490 --> 0:12:11.890 I bet it was a lot. Cause I bet he 0:12:11.910 --> 0:12:14.099 did one interview. I bet it was 60 minutes and 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:15.559 that was the one. And I bet. 0:12:15.940 --> 0:12:16.480 One and done. 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:17.220 One and done. 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.960 You got more than six figures. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. 0:12:19.980 --> 0:12:20.819 You think so? Oh yeah. 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:22.760 I think so. But I mean, maybe we'll, I don't 0:12:22.780 --> 0:12:23.300 know if we'll know. 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:24.320 I don't know. We'll never know. 0:12:25.220 --> 0:12:25.580 I don't know. 0:12:25.620 --> 0:12:26.620 Unless all of a sudden he was in a big 0:12:26.660 --> 0:12:28.740 house in the Hamptons or something like that. 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:30.840 Then we're like, yeah, that 14 minute interview. 0:12:30.980 --> 0:12:31.140 Yeah. 0:12:32.380 --> 0:12:35.700 All right, let's talk about Patrick's life after the tragedy. 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.429 So after the funerals, Patrick says his world emptied out 0:12:38.550 --> 0:12:41.170 one day without thinking. He talks about how he drove 0:12:41.210 --> 0:12:43.970 past his children's school at the drop off time and 0:12:44.010 --> 0:12:45.850 then had to leave because he saw all of his 0:12:45.890 --> 0:12:48.370 kids friends being dropped off at school and he realized 0:12:48.910 --> 0:12:51.550 that he couldn't just kind of stick around in the 0:12:51.590 --> 0:12:54.819 same area where he was seeing all these things. For 0:12:54.860 --> 0:12:56.380 a while, he didn't think he would live to see 0:12:56.420 --> 0:13:00.140 his 35th birthday because of suicidal ideations and that he 0:13:00.179 --> 0:13:03.420 was completely fine with that. Then he decides in April 0:13:03.470 --> 0:13:06.930 of 2023, this is three months after his children's deaths, 0:13:07.350 --> 0:13:12.969 that he moved to New York City seeking anonymity. Then 0:13:13.010 --> 0:13:16.200 he claims, he talks about how on Callan's first birthday, 0:13:16.270 --> 0:13:18.300 he didn't know how to celebrate it so that he 0:13:18.340 --> 0:13:22.590 went to St. Patrick's Cathedral and This is on Fifth Avenue, 0:13:22.870 --> 0:13:25.370 and he lit a candle for Callan. And then when 0:13:25.410 --> 0:13:29.380 he left the cathedral, he stepped outside and was crying 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:31.460 his eyes out. And he felt relief that no one 0:13:31.500 --> 0:13:34.140 around him knew or cared. And that's when he claimed 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.480 this is where I need to be. I can grieve here. 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.720 Patrick keeps his children's memory alive in his Manhattan apartment 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:45.020 through specific objects. They do travel to his apartment and 0:13:46.059 --> 0:13:49.439 He talks about how Cora likes sloths, and he saved 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:53.100 a stuffed baby sloth. A photo of Callan. He has 0:13:53.140 --> 0:13:57.540 that oversized bow tie on. And Dawson's toy helicopter. Can 0:13:57.580 --> 0:13:59.219 you imagine, though? Because he talks about, he has to 0:13:59.260 --> 0:14:01.520 go back to that house, and he moves. So he 0:14:01.540 --> 0:14:02.680 has to go back, and he has to empty out 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:03.460 that entire house. 0:14:04.420 --> 0:14:06.260 I know. You have to go through the kids' rooms. 0:14:06.470 --> 0:14:07.350 You have to go through their rooms. 0:14:07.370 --> 0:14:08.290 You have to go through all that stuff. 0:14:08.670 --> 0:14:12.050 Three children. Yeah. In a house that you lived in 0:14:12.090 --> 0:14:12.709 with your wife. 0:14:12.730 --> 0:14:14.030 Yeah, and she can't help. 0:14:15.429 --> 0:14:18.210 And you have to empty their rooms out and you 0:14:18.230 --> 0:14:21.960 have to move everything out and it's all gone. 0:14:21.980 --> 0:14:23.660 They didn't have to move. 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:26.120 Well, I would move too. I don't think I could 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:27.840 have stayed in that house. Could you, could you live 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:29.820 somewhere where that tragedy like that took place? 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:30.609 Was it a renter? 0:14:31.590 --> 0:14:32.470 No, they own the home. 0:14:32.530 --> 0:14:34.090 They own the home. So you gotta go through the 0:14:34.130 --> 0:14:35.590 whole process of actually. 0:14:35.650 --> 0:14:36.810 Cause he sold it. Remember? 0:14:36.930 --> 0:14:39.090 No, but I believe you. I mean, he had to 0:14:39.130 --> 0:14:40.210 go through it. Now he has to go through a 0:14:40.210 --> 0:14:42.110 whole process. You can't just get up and leave. Right. 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:45.930 In Duxbury, where this is the town that they lived in. 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:46.670 Wait, did the home sell? 0:14:47.070 --> 0:14:50.550 So the home was purchased by a former district attorney. 0:14:51.210 --> 0:14:51.710 So someone. 0:14:51.730 --> 0:14:53.070 Well, they have to live somewhere too. Yeah. 0:14:53.510 --> 0:14:55.330 I don't know. I just thought maybe... I mean, maybe 0:14:55.510 --> 0:14:57.690 it doesn't mean there's something salacious going on just because 0:14:57.870 --> 0:14:59.270 that happened. It's a small town. I don't know. 0:14:59.290 --> 0:15:01.280 No, but it'd be more interesting if it was salacious. Yeah. 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:02.420 I mean, maybe it is. I don't know. 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.000 Let's start the rumor that it's salacious. 0:15:05.140 --> 0:15:07.200 In Duxbury, this is the town that they lived in. 0:15:07.900 --> 0:15:10.960 Patrick helped build a playground in the honor of his children... 0:15:11.050 --> 0:15:14.090 There were sloths for Cora, a firefighter figure for Dawson 0:15:14.150 --> 0:15:17.650 and a toddler's play area for Callan. Um, I didn't 0:15:17.670 --> 0:15:19.880 know about that. That wasn't something that was out on 0:15:19.910 --> 0:15:20.620 social media, that. 0:15:20.540 --> 0:15:23.380 There was a, you know, they had the handprints there and. 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:25.340 Their names and stuff to honor them. 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.180 But then who did that? The city or like public? 0:15:28.980 --> 0:15:30.590 I don't, I don't know. I mean, I don't know. 0:15:30.610 --> 0:15:32.750 I don't know if the community came together and paid 0:15:32.790 --> 0:15:34.550 for it. I don't know if the city paid for 0:15:34.570 --> 0:15:36.450 it and dedicated it. I don't, I don't know, but 0:15:36.470 --> 0:15:40.240 that's interesting. Um, let's talk about some TikTok theories. So 0:15:40.300 --> 0:15:43.320 Lindsey Clancy's trial concluded with a hung jury and Patrick 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:46.660 is currently waiting to learn whether a retrial will occur. 0:15:47.180 --> 0:15:48.729 We do know, cause we talked about this in a 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:54.490 previous episode that September 29th that's coming up soon is when, um, 0:15:55.410 --> 0:15:58.570 Lindsey Clancy is due back in court with her attorney. 0:15:59.870 --> 0:16:03.010 And that's when we'll probably know whether the DA's office 0:16:03.050 --> 0:16:06.430 is going to retry the case or plea deal or whatever. 0:16:06.980 --> 0:16:11.930 What are your predictions? Well, I do know that Lindsey 0:16:11.970 --> 0:16:15.970 Clancy's defense team now has the attorney, I believe that 0:16:16.010 --> 0:16:19.729 was on Karen Reed's case, that argued that she shouldn't 0:16:19.770 --> 0:16:23.270 be retried because it would be double jeopardy, which didn't work. 0:16:23.290 --> 0:16:24.720 It's not double jeopardy. 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:28.280 But he's now on board on Lindsey Clancy's defense team, 0:16:28.340 --> 0:16:30.700 and he's going to make that argument. So we'll see 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:31.600 what happens with that. 0:16:31.620 --> 0:16:33.540 Well, Judge Judy says she should be retried. 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:35.180 Is that what judge Judy says? 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:38.920 Cause she says it would be a miscarriage, a miscarriage 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:39.380 of justice. 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:39.580 Yeah. 0:16:39.700 --> 0:16:42.570 Basically. Cause you're, she goes, three kids are dead. Right. 0:16:42.590 --> 0:16:45.210 And you're going to not like try to get a 0:16:45.250 --> 0:16:47.370 resolution one way or another. Right. 0:16:49.030 --> 0:16:51.970 During the trial, an online community of sleuths has constructed 0:16:52.070 --> 0:16:55.990 theories portraying Patrick as abusive, unfaithful, or even responsible for 0:16:56.010 --> 0:16:59.990 the killings. He frames the conspiracy theories as quote, deeply 0:17:00.050 --> 0:17:02.970 harmful to the legacy of my children and, and a 0:17:03.010 --> 0:17:07.600 distraction from the real issue of maternal mental health. You know, 0:17:07.740 --> 0:17:09.439