1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: one thirty two. On September a University of New Mexico 3 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: student named Tara Calico went out on a thirty four 4 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: mile bike ride. I need to make up a critical 5 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: Within hours, community members, friends and family were looking for Tara, 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: scouring every inch of the desert TrAAin. We believe she's alive. 7 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: She's insane, urs people who have her. Searches continued as 8 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: hours turned into days, days turned into weeks, and weeks 9 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: turned into long months, but there was no sign of 10 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: Tara or the puke bike she was writing. Many would 11 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: argue the bond between mother and daughter was one of 12 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: the closest they had ever seen. They did everything together, 13 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: including exercising together, jogging, riding their bikes. One day, Mom 14 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: didn't go. She never saw her daughter again. She never 15 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: saw Tara again. Tara Lee Caligo has been missing ever since. 16 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for 17 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: being with us. I am not letting Tara Calico drop 18 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: off the map. We are not letting her become just 19 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: another statistic, just another name we read about. We are 20 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: keeping her disappearance alive until the case is cracked. I 21 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: can't imagine day after day after day with no closure 22 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: at all. Of course, any of us who have been 23 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: crime victims know there is no such thing as closure. 24 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: You just learn to live a different way. I've often 25 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: compared it too, and this is lighthearted, breaking your arm, 26 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: never getting it set, and learning to flip a pancake 27 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: anyway you can do it. But it's never the same. 28 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: It's kind of like life after becoming a crime victim. 29 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: I imagine Tara's mom, day after day after day wondering 30 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: what happened to my daughter. Tara Lee Calico went missing. 31 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: She went missing out riding her bike on her favorite 32 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: route that she took all the time. When she didn't 33 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: get back from that morning's ride, Mom goes looking kicking herself, 34 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure for not going along that day. No sign 35 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: of Tara nor her bike were ever found to this day. 36 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: Joining me right now two very special us in addition 37 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: to the Duke Alan Duke joining me out of l A. 38 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: First of all, Melinda Escobell, who has created a documentary 39 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: and we are anxiously awaiting its release, called Vanish the 40 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: Tar Calico Story. She also has created a podcast, Vanished 41 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: the Tar Calico investigation. Also with me a well known 42 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: journalist from the Albuquerque Journal, Rosa Lee Rayburn, who has 43 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,399 Speaker 1: also studied the Calico disappearance. Ladies, thank you for being 44 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: with us. Thank you for having us. Nancy, thank you 45 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: very much. You know, I'm so happy to finally get 46 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: us all on the same page here. I met up 47 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: with Melinda at crime Con and it was fortuitous, and 48 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: I want to start at the beginning. Melinda Cora would 49 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: go from what I understand, biking with her mom, biking 50 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: with her mom, but then the mom quit going shortly 51 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: before Ta went missing. What happened the day as as 52 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: much as you know, the day that Tara Calico went 53 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: missing and has never been seen again. Okay, Tara checked 54 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: this ride often. It was seventeen miles out to the 55 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: railroad tracks and seventeen miles back and then uh previous 56 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: rides um she had had an issue with one of 57 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: her bicycle tires going flat, and so she had expressed 58 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: to her mother that morning that if she wasn't back 59 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: by noon, to go and look for her because it 60 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: was a possibility that maybe she had a flat tire. 61 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: And so she went out on her seventeen mile or 62 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: thirty four mile bike ride out to the railroad tracks, 63 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: and it appears on her trip she had some trouble 64 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: along the way. Um, she was getting harassed by um 65 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: what looked to be an an older vehicle following her 66 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: and a group of guys. And what what was they make? 67 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: Do we know the make and model on the vehicle? Yes? Well, 68 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: there was two different vehicles that were seeing that was 69 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: seen on the road that day, and one was an 70 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: International and one was a mid fifties Ford. What what 71 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: what's an International? And International was a Chevy an old 72 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: Chevy Man. You just taught me something I didn't know. Okay, 73 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: So one wasn't Chevy International? Do we know a caller? 74 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: They were both primer grain and one had yellow on 75 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: it and the other was a what did you say? 76 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: A pick up? Yes, they were both pickups. One was 77 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: the Chevy International and one was the Ford, the mid 78 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 1: fifties Ford. Okay, right there, Alan, I found that a 79 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: little too much of the coincidence that passer was by 80 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: saw two vehicles harassing her. They were both pick ups 81 00:05:56,279 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: with primer. That means to me, there's probably one vehicle 82 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: that was a pickup with primer. Well, in this area. 83 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: I think a pick up with primer is kind of 84 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: the normal mode of travel, especially. Oh, here you go 85 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: again with stereotyping a whole area. Well no, I mean, 86 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's what people drive there. Okay, So 87 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: all right, according to Alan, do everybody in the Mexico 88 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: area drives a pickup covered in primer? But okay, I'll 89 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: go with pick up with primer? Where you say, go ahead, dear, 90 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: there's a lot of them around in the area. Thank you, so, 91 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: Melinda Escobell. Yes, when you say passers by observed her 92 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: getting harassed, what do you mean by that? What did 93 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: they say? Um? They said that they saw a truck 94 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: following directly behind her with several individuals in there, and 95 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: one was running on the side of the vehicle of 96 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: the hoard. Uh, this is the specific Ford truck. And 97 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: uh he was running out of the truck and coming 98 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: up behind her and trying to tug in her shirt. Well, 99 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: why didn't anybody stop and help her for Pete's sake? Um? 100 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: I think in the beginning people thought made They didn't really. 101 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: They said it looked like a giant ball. And originally 102 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: the number of people that pastor believed that it was 103 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: her father following her, um, you know, making sure that 104 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: she was safe on her ride. A giant ball. Yeah, 105 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: Like it was like a They saw like a what 106 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: looked like a ball running up and coming back. So 107 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: they just assumed that they were, you know, escorting her 108 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,239 Speaker 1: on her ride, is what? Okay, like they were having fun, 109 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: is that what you're saying? Like they were making sure 110 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: she was okay, giving maybe giving her water. They just 111 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: weren't really sure, and they thought that must be her 112 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: father or her family following her making sure she's okay 113 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: on the ride. Okay, question how meant? Do we know 114 00:07:54,640 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: approximately how many how many witnesses observe this? Yes, there 115 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: was between four and five. Oh okay, Well, in my 116 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: mind that seals it that I think that that's one 117 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: of how it started, because one witness could be wrong. 118 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,119 Speaker 1: But when you start saying two, three, four or five 119 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: people saw the same thing, no reason to believe all 120 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: five of them are lying about it or mistaken. Okay. 121 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: I finally I had nobody stopped. But in the context 122 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: in which you're saying it, it makes a little more 123 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: sense to me. Um, my dad and now used to 124 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: exercise all the time, before he passed away. And UM, 125 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: I can see people imagining that. So why why did 126 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: the mom decide not to go that day? Um? She 127 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: had UM Basically, she had stopped writing with her previously. 128 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: There was notes that were left on the vehicle that 129 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: contained threats, and I believe Patty Dole had an incident 130 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: where a van had trailed to sleep behind her and 131 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: so she had gotten nervous about it. So she decided 132 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: that she didn't want to write anymore, and she told 133 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: Tara that she shouldn't ride anymore. And UM, subsequently, you know, 134 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: Tara said that she wasn't going to live her life 135 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: in fear, and she decided to continue to ride. You know, 136 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: she's a beautiful young girl. Joining me as Melinda Escobill, 137 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: who has created a documentary Vanished the Tara Calico Story. 138 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:32,479 Speaker 1: She also has created a podcast, Vanished the Tar Calico Investigation, 139 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: also with drew you to covering this case. Why are 140 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: you interested in Tara Calica's disappearance. Well, I happened to 141 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: meet Melinda by coincidence, and UM, she talked about making 142 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: this documentary and I had heard about the case. The 143 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: Journal had written many stories over the years, both when 144 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: it occurred many years ago and also more recently some 145 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: anniversary stories, and I was just intrigued by what she 146 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: was doing and also by the fact she said that 147 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: she had been a schoolmate of of Tara's, and I 148 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: thought that was a really unique angle. Wow, you know what, 149 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: that fact had escaped me. Thank you for reminding me 150 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: of that. Rosalie right bern Mianda Escoball with me, who 151 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: has created a documentary and a podcast on Tara's disappearance. 152 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: Tell me about knowing her at school. Tara was an upperclassman. 153 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: She was a year older than me. Um. We both 154 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: went to Belen High School and we were both in 155 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: competitive marching band together. And um, I knew of her 156 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: and she knew of me. You know, we had classes together. 157 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: But it wasn't till this trip to Arizona where I 158 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: was alone. I didn't have my friends with me, and 159 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: she really befriended me on this trip. And um, that's 160 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: how we became friends and friendly. When you say she 161 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: befriended you, tell me what is her? What was her personality? 162 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: I hate to speak of her in the past tense, 163 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: so I'm going to go with the present tense. What 164 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: is her personality? As you recall it. I mean, I 165 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: just remember her being a very sweet girl. And you know, 166 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: she went out of her way to show me kindness 167 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: when she didn't have to. And that's one thing that 168 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: really always has stuck in my mind, is that she 169 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: went out of her way to make sure that I 170 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: had a group to hang out with and to you know, 171 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 1: enjoy this trip that we took to Arizona. And she 172 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: was highly intelligent, you know, a very smart girl. She's 173 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: very pretty, and she was just a really sweet, sweet person. 174 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: You know, I've often asked this, Alan, and I know 175 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: what's rhetorical. Why do the good people become victimized? And 176 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: all the rats, the really mean people, they just live 177 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: on forever and ever. You know, it's nothing ever happens 178 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: to them. It's always the nice peep bowl like Tara Calico, 179 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: you know, that is inclusive and kind and befriends people. 180 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: But that's a whole another can of worms. You know. 181 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to imagine her out on her bike 182 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: that day, getting tailed seemingly friendly. Um with me again. 183 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: Rosalie Rayburn from the Albuquerque Journal and Melinda Escabell, who 184 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: has created a documentary and podcast so to you, Melinda. 185 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: That day it was early in the morning. As I recall, 186 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: early in the morning, she goes on her bike ride. 187 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: How long would it take her to do a turnaround 188 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: seventeen miles one way, seventeen miles on the way back. Well, 189 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: she started about nine am and she would it would 190 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: it would be noon when she would got home. When 191 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: she got home, she was expected home. She had a 192 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: tennis state at twelve thirty with her boyfriend at the time. Now, 193 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: it's always the boyfriend, the husband, the ex, the lover 194 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: that everybody looks at um to begin with. So did 195 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: a rule out the boyfriend? They did very early on. 196 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: They ruled out the boyfriend, the father, everybody had, you know, 197 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: where where they were supposed to be. And uh, you know, 198 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: they had reported the crime, but the sheriff's office stated 199 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: that they needed to wait twenty four hours before they 200 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: could actually report her missing. And so I know, Patty 201 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: was very strong handed about it and kind of you know, 202 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: somehow got the sheriff's office to comply after a number 203 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: of hours. Wow. You know, I can't tell you how 204 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: many times I've heard that Rosalie Rayburn and it really 205 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: drives me crazy. That and still to this day in 206 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 1: many police jurisdictions, they go, oh, you know what, that's 207 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: a grown woman. Uh that that that's a juvenile, she's 208 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: probably a runaway, or this one has a boyfriend, she's 209 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: run off. We're gonna wait, and they wait and they wait. 210 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,719 Speaker 1: Then seventy two hours have passed. It's too late at 211 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: that point to recreate the disappearance as well as you 212 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: could have at the time. And the one thing we 213 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: do have going for us with Tara tar Calico, is 214 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: it happen in broad daylight? What rustily are you there? 215 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: Tell me about the police decision to wait? Well, why 216 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: did they wait? You know, I really don't. I can't 217 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: give a comment on that, but I have often heard, um, 218 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: as you were just intimating there. Uh, in some cases 219 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: police have said, you know, ours are really significant. Um, 220 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: almost like you know, they say a heart attack. Minutes 221 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: make a difference. And so it seems as though any 222 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: waiting in a case like this would mean that some 223 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: valuable clues might be lost. Um, valuable time is lost, 224 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: and so UM it is surprising that there was any 225 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: any waiting at all. I mean, you're right about the 226 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: minutes in its count as I always say to my husband, 227 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: red lights count because those are minutes they add up, 228 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: and then suddenly you know you're looking at a half 229 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: an hour an hour and imagine a car going sixty 230 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: miles an hour. 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There was a part of 261 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: the of her walkman that was found. UM on the 262 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: side of the road. There was a tape that was found. 263 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: There was a part of the walkman. They were tired 264 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: tracks UH and bicycle tracks where she was pushed off 265 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: the side of the road. UM. There was a marijuana 266 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: pipe in the area that was found. UM so there 267 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 1: were a number of items that were found that we 268 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: have had to rebuild, you know, the evidence from the 269 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: ground up. Well, I'm interested in the marijuana pipe because 270 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: that's a new fact I didn't know about. I know 271 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: Tara did not smoke marijuana. So if it was in 272 00:17:54,520 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: close proximity to the walkman, the tape and the fire marks, 273 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: that would suggest it was from somebody in the vehicle, 274 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: which we now believe was a pickup with primer on it. 275 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: Was the pipe ever tested for d n A Okay, 276 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: So this is how that I don't like the way 277 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: that's starting off point. Whenever you say we have a situation, 278 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: that's never good, okay, So tell me was the pipe tested? Well, 279 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,959 Speaker 1: it never got tested. The the boyfriend and her parents 280 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: were out looking at a certain area where a peace 281 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: was found in the tape um or the the walkman, 282 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: and so he noticed it was on a rock, sitting 283 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: straight up like not like someone threw it out a window, 284 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 1: like someone actually placed it perfectly on a rock. And 285 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: so he noticed it and he tried to pick it up, 286 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: barely touching it. And he said to the sheriff, um, 287 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: look what we found right here. And the sheriff grabbed 288 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: it in his hand and said, oh thanks, and he 289 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: put it in his pocket. Okay, when we just crossed, 290 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: where is it now? Is an evidence? Oh? No, it disappeared. Oh, 291 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: dear Lord in Heaven, just like everything else. Well, what 292 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 1: do you mean, like everything else? There's a lot of 293 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: evidence that was collected that day that has disappeared from 294 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: the sheriff's office. There was also a cooler with ether 295 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: and rag a rag found what okay, way through the 296 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: white Wait, why Alan did you know that part? A 297 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: cooler with ether and a rag? No, this is this 298 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: is bizarre, This is shocking. Okay, I've got to get 299 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: a little big pan here. A cooler with ether and 300 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: a rag. Okay, that's just way too much of a coincidence. 301 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: What Melinda Escombell, Are you sure about that? Or is 302 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: that now folk lore? You know? Someone who found it 303 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: came forward to me. Um. He is now an elected 304 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 1: official in the state, and he came forward and he said, 305 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you something, and he said, myself and 306 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: my brothers were out there um searching, and this is 307 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: what we found. And we turned it into the sheriff's office. 308 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: And we want to know if it's still in there. 309 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: And I said, no, it is not what sheriff's office. 310 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: Is this the Valencia County Sheriff's office. Good grievy. I mean, 311 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: if they've lost it, they should at least come clean 312 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: the Valencia County Sheriff's Okay, because let me tell you something. 313 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 1: Listen to this, Rosalie and and Alan Melinda. I recall um, 314 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: I can't remember the year exactly, but I had been 315 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: in the d a's office for a couple of years already, 316 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: and they elected d A then Lewis Layton. He was 317 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: the longest serving d A in the country at that time, 318 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 1: I think thirty four years. Anyway, he came to me 319 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: and said, a big case, and well, it was a 320 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: big case when it happened, has gotten reversed up in 321 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: the eleventh Circuit. He had gone all the way up 322 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: to one step below the U. S. Supreme Court reverse 323 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: because there were two perpetrators that had gunned down a 324 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: cops son right hold on the cops brother. Okay, the 325 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: brother was had just gotten engaged in He and his 326 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: fiancee were on the patio toasting with champagne, and these 327 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: two thugs that had just gotten out of jail come 328 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: creeping up to rob them, I guess, and and gun 329 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: the guy down. Okay, So they gave statements and they 330 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: were interlocking. In other words, they implicated the other. So 331 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: that had come into evidence, and it had The whole 332 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: thing had to be retried. And it was about fourteen 333 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: years later. This had happened, I guess when I was 334 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: in undergrad So I get the case fourteen years after 335 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: the conviction. I go to the evidence room to get 336 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: the evidence to start rebuilding the case. There was one thing, 337 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: one piece of evidence. It was the hat that said 338 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: kiss my bass. That was it. That was all the evidence, 339 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: and no nobody went in the office and hid it 340 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: or destroyed it. The property office had room had just 341 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 1: been moved a couple of times in fourteen years, and 342 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: the evidence was gone. No matter how much we looked, 343 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: we couldn't find it. So I had to recreate the case. 344 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: Can you only imagine this allen with one hat kissed 345 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: my bass. That came into play because at some point 346 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: one of the perps had used one of the victims 347 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: a t M card and he you couldn't see his face, 348 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: but he was at the bank and he had on 349 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: his hat kissed my bass or somebody was at the 350 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: bank using the card with the hat on. That was 351 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 1: my evidence. That was it. So I know what it 352 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: means to lose evidence. Um, I'm interested in this. That 353 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 1: case was over and done with and had probably everybody 354 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: had probably decided it's already been healed, it's over with, 355 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: but this case was still under investigation. Milanda Escabell a 356 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: cooler with an ether and a rag in it near 357 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 1: where Tara goes missing? What about the other evidence? What 358 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: jump in? There was a lot of other evidence that 359 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: is missing from the sheriff's office. When Patty Dole and 360 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: John Doltar's parents had become deputized, is when they realized 361 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: that files were missing from the sheriff's office, reports were 362 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: missing from the sheriff's office, and that they actually believed 363 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: that there was cover up within the sheriff's office to 364 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: cover up what happened in this case. I'm just letting 365 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: that sink him because typically I don't go for a 366 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory because I really think it's just too hard 367 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: for human beings to keep a secret. But to lose 368 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: a cooler with ether and a rag in it and 369 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: a disappearance that's a pretty big boo boo. What other 370 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: I mean convinced me? I want to, I want to, 371 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: I want to hear about this. What other evidence do 372 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: you believe has gone missing? Um? There was all the Okay, 373 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: So when the Valencia County News Bulletin moved offices in 374 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: the nineties, UM, all you know which can they have 375 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: these books that contain all the news clippings of all 376 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: the articles that they write in UH in the transfer 377 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: into the new building, all the articles the book containing 378 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 1: all the articles UH connected to Tar's case, with all 379 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: the evidence that they found and everything that was collected 380 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: during that investigation has disappeared. Now that you said was 381 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: the newspaper, right. We also had people who came forward 382 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: and were hypnotized, and their their reports from the hypnosis 383 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: are from the from the doctor. The hypnotists have gone missing. 384 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: There are interviews. There are reports in the Sheriff's office 385 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: that allude to UM voice interviews that were conducted, and 386 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: those interviews have gone missing. There are UM the actual 387 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: tapes are missing. When UM, when the last sheriff went 388 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: out of the office, I went out of office, and 389 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: the new sheriff came and took over. They called me 390 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: because there was a safe in the Sheriff's office and 391 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 1: they said, we're going to open this safe. We want 392 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 1: to see what's in there in case there's anything in 393 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: regards to Tar's case. Well, what we found was UM, 394 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: some interviews that had never previously been heard, and there 395 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: was a file of a young well a guy who 396 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,719 Speaker 1: should be now in his sporties, except that he had 397 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: passed away with his name on it. But the file 398 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: was empty. And one of these boys was the son 399 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: of a prominent politician, and it was wrapped up with 400 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: these tapes, but the file was empty. What about the walkman? 401 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: Is that missing too? Yes, everything is gone. The files. 402 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: When I got into the shriff office, I was given 403 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: exclusive access UM. The files were a disaster. Nothing was 404 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: in order. There were files with names on it, and 405 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: you could see that the the actual files inside the 406 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: paper was taken out. Patty Dole has documented UM in 407 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: her notes that she had to continuously provide the Sheriff's 408 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: office with UM files to rebuild their cases because over 409 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: the years they had continually got gone missing. And in 410 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: my interview with Sheriff and a Rivera, he talks about 411 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: having to build the case from the ground up because 412 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: either people were not turning in there the reports that 413 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 1: they were generating, or they were taking them. You know, 414 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: it really seems to me that this is a matter 415 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: for the attorney general, because I mean, that's the state, 416 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: the state attorney general. Because when you are having issues 417 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: with your police force, or you're having issues with another 418 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: government entity, you go to the state attorney general. It's 419 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: not that hard, you know, it sounds like a big deal. 420 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: You go to their office and you file, you write 421 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: a letter about what's going on, and then if you 422 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: don't get an answer, you go there and you talk 423 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: to them and they will look into it. Has that 424 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 1: ever happened in this case? No, it is not. And 425 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: I wasn't aware that we could do that, but now 426 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: that I'm aware, I will definitely go to them because 427 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: this has been an uphill battle for seven years. Does 428 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: Tara's mother cope with all of this? She passed away 429 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: in two thousand and six and I didn't know that. Yeah, 430 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: and her biological father died before Patty died. So her 431 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: siblings are left. Her brothers, her stepsisters, and her stepfather 432 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: um are the only ones who are left. And so 433 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: it's really up to you, I guess all of us 434 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: to try to keep the case alive, right, and the 435 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: other person, you know another thing I want to go back. 436 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: Go ahead, dear, I'm the other person who's been helping 437 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: me with this case is Tara Calico's sister, stepsister, Michelle 438 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: doll Um. You know, UH Sheriff's UH administrations have come 439 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: and gone. We've had a task force that has come 440 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: and gone. But the only thing consistent in this case 441 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: is myself, the Michelle. I want to talk about the 442 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: polar I'm gonna come back to the missing evidence, but 443 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the photos that were found. Um. 444 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: Photos were found all the way in Florida, Florida, as 445 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: I recall it um. In the photos, there are two 446 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: unidentified people. It's a polaroid. It was found in the 447 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: hot weeks of Jean. It is suspected this female is 448 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: Tara Calico. There is a boy, a young boy, in 449 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: the background. It looks like they're sitting on a bed, 450 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,719 Speaker 1: and there is a pale blue and white striped pillow 451 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: between them. Sitting beside the girl is a book. It's 452 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: a paperback copy of VC Andrew's My Sweet Adrina, And 453 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: it has been said that is one of was one 454 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: of Calico's favorite books. Now, Scotland Yard has analyzed this 455 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: photo and concluded the woman is Calico. A second analysis 456 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: by the Los Alamos National Lab disagrees the FBI is inconclusive. 457 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: But what's very telling is that Calico's mom says it 458 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: is her. What do you think about those photos? That 459 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: one photo, Melinda, and where was it found? It was 460 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: found in Port Saint Joe, Florida, in a convenient store 461 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: parking lot. A woman had drove in and she had 462 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: seen a white van park next to her. She went inside, 463 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: um into the convenience store, and when she came out, 464 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: the van was gone, but turned upside down was this 465 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: photo line on the ground. And she picked it up 466 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: and looked at it and immediately took it to the 467 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: police because she was horrified um at what she saw. 468 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: And you know, one of the important things about what 469 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: was found in that photo is not that it was 470 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: Tar's favorite book, but it was Tar's favorite author. And 471 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: the important thing about that book is that there was 472 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: a number UM that had been etched into the side 473 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: of the book, a phone number. And what what was 474 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: the number? I mean, what did it go to? UM? 475 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: They had like over two hundred conclusions of what that 476 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: number could be, and so they were never able to 477 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: identify where it went through who it belonged to. There 478 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: was two over two hundred different combinations. And now the mother, 479 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: Calico's mother insists that's her. Didn't she see a scar 480 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: on the in the picture on the woman's leg that 481 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: she says matches a scar Tar got in an accident? Correct, 482 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: a Matt just far on Tara exactly over time, you know, 483 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: people can change pictures and not that great. The mom 484 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: could have been wrong about the idea, but a scar, 485 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: that's just too much of a coincidence for it to 486 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: be anybody else. Plus the book by her favorite author. 487 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: Now there's a boy in the picture as well, Michael Henley. 488 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: It was believed to be. Cops later say they had 489 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: found Henley's remains in the Zooni Mountains, about seven miles 490 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: from where he went disappearing from a family campsite. Were 491 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: those remains positively identified as Henley? Do we know that, Melinda? Well, 492 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: I know that they found the remains. I don't think 493 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: they were positively identified. And then he was cremated, Oh 494 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: dear Lord, and had what I understand. So I don't 495 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: know if so, we don't really know that that was him, Okay, 496 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: all right, so that's kind of a non starter right there. 497 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: Also with me Rosalie Rayburn from the Albuquerque Journal. Rosalie, 498 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: I'm just amazed. I want to just touch back on 499 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: all the lost evidence in the Valencia Sheriff's Office. Well, 500 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: you know, we've had many stories about this over the years, 501 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: and all of the details, um about uh, the disappearance 502 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: and the vehicle following uh Tara, those are all details 503 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: that we've reported in stories. I can't can't comment on 504 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: the evidence being missing. UM. She obviously has more details 505 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: than that, and maybe people have talked to her that 506 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: would certainly not go on the record, and and we 507 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: would not use, you know, information that we couldn't put 508 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: on the record. Um. But it has been a case 509 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: that is really been followed by people, even though it 510 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: is now many years she originally went missing on September twenty. 511 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: I'm very curious about the missing evidence and why it's missing, 512 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: and why it keeps becoming missing. And it really seems 513 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,719 Speaker 1: to me that Tara's family is in a horrible predicament 514 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: because they've never gotten answers about her disappearance, and they 515 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: have to deal with the specter true or not, that 516 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: there was some type of a cover up going on. 517 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: With me, special guest Melinda Escabelle, who has created a 518 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: documentary Vanished the Tara Calicos Story and a podcast Vanished 519 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: the Tara Calico Investigation. You can download that and here 520 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: many many more details. Also with me are renewed journalists 521 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: from the Albuquerque Journal, Rosalie Rayburn, who has covered this 522 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: story as well. I want to talk about the specter 523 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: of a cover up, the specter of a cover up. 524 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: Both Rose Silly Rayburn, Emmilin to Escombal have alluded to it. 525 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: But is there a cover up? Russellie Rayburn, Albuquerque Journal. Well, 526 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 1: you know, we've had many stories about this over the years, 527 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:21,240 Speaker 1: and all of the details um about uh, the disappearance 528 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: and the vehicle following uh Tara, those are all details 529 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: that we've reported in stories. I can't can't comment on 530 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: the evidence being missing. UM. She obviously has more details 531 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: than that, and maybe people have talked to her that 532 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: would certainly not go on the record, and and we 533 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,919 Speaker 1: would not use, you know, information that we couldn't put 534 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: on the record. Um, but it has been a case 535 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: that is really been followed by people, even though it 536 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: is now many years She originally went missing on September 537 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: twentie nine, Rayburn when the albu Querque Journal, I don't 538 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: really understand that all this time after her disappearance, Renee Rivera, 539 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: the sheriff of Lindsay County, claimed he knew what happened 540 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: to Tara, and according to Rivera, a group of guys 541 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: drove up behind her in a truck and uh an accident, 542 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: as they say followed. And I don't know how that 543 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: can be an accident when you're tailing a biker and 544 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: then there's a crash that doesn't really sound like an accident, 545 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: but that she died and the people responsible covered up 546 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: the crime. He also said he knows the names of 547 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: the people involved, but without a body could not make 548 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: an arrest. He never released any evidence that led him 549 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: to the conclusion. To this day, no arrest has ever 550 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: been made. We did a story one of my colleagues 551 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 1: that the Elbuquerquet Journal wrote a story in nineteen and 552 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: two thousand eight on the twentieth anniversary of her disappearance, 553 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: and in the story, she had interviewed the sheriff, the 554 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: former Valencia County Sheriff, Renee Rivera, whom Melinda has talked about, 555 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: and she quoted him clearly saying that the individuals who 556 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 1: did harm to Tara, Tara knew who she was, They 557 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: knew who she was, and they're all local individuals. And 558 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: he definitely says there, and we did have on the 559 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: record in this story essentially that there was people who 560 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 1: had helped with what sounds like distinctly a cover up. 561 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,959 Speaker 1: And there was a similar story in the Valencia County 562 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: News Bulletin UM that more or less said the same thing. 563 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: So it certainly sounds as though there is information out 564 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: there which has not been revealed for some specific purpose. Also, 565 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: Calicos on stepfather John Doe, he disputed all of that, 566 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: saying the sheriff should never have stated that stated that 567 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: made those comments if he's not willing to make an arrest. Now, 568 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: I want to go to Melinda Escabell, the creator of 569 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: Vanished the Tar Calico Story and Vanish Tatar Calico Investigation podcast. 570 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: Why I mean you don't have to have a body 571 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: to make a murder case, Melinda, Well, he Sheriff Rivera 572 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: had stated to me that um. You know, at the 573 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: time when I had first met him, there was a 574 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: statute of limitations on first degree felonies. That um was 575 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: fifteen years five months. I've never heard of there being 576 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,720 Speaker 1: a statute on murder, a statute of limitations on murder. 577 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: It was not exclusive to rape and murder. But there 578 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 1: was a young girl who took her rape case all 579 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 1: the way to the New Mexico State Supreme Court, and 580 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: in this historic and landmark ruling, she overturned the statute 581 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: dating back tonight Needy too. So currently there's no statute. 582 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: But at that time, what the sheriff's office had told 583 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 1: me is that even if the boys came in with 584 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,280 Speaker 1: her body and said that they did it, they couldn't 585 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,839 Speaker 1: do anything about it. Well, the statute has been overturned 586 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: since then. I don't know the exact details of it, 587 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: but the minute that statute was overturned, it was in 588 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,839 Speaker 1: the news. And the next day people were showing up 589 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: at my mother's property threatening me, spray painting silent on 590 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: her fence and things like that. And also, I'd like 591 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: to go back to what happened to Tara on the 592 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: road that day and what we have discovered through different interviews, 593 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 1: we were told that people have come forward stating that 594 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,919 Speaker 1: there was boys following her. They were cat calling her, 595 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: they were trying to grab her, apparently claiming they wanted 596 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 1: to take her to a party that was happening that day. Um, 597 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 1: they were drunk and high in this vehicle and when 598 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: they were trying to grab at her, they knocked her 599 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 1: off her bike. Calico then got up and took off running. 600 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: And when she took off running, one of the boys 601 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,280 Speaker 1: followed in the truck and one of the boys followed 602 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,320 Speaker 1: on foot running after her. They grabbed her, and then 603 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 1: when they grabbed her, two other friends showed up in 604 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: another vehicle, and UM, I'm told that they raped her. 605 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 1: And when she all the boys raped her, and she 606 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: got up and said, I'm going to tell I'm going 607 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: to call the police. I'm gonna tell on all of you. 608 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: And that's when they took her back down and one 609 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: of the boys ran to the truck, got a hunting 610 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: knife and stabbed her to death. That's pretty detailed. And 611 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: she wouldn't die, so they started kicking her in the 612 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 1: head because as you know, well I don't know. I mean, 613 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: people say that it's not easy to kill someone, but um, 614 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 1: that is what we've come to understand. And then everybody 615 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 1: was looking for her immediately, so they started to move 616 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 1: the body, and they got scared, so they were moving 617 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: her body to a bunch of different places, and that's 618 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,720 Speaker 1: when their friends got involved in diverting what was happening. 619 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 1: What do you mean by diverting what was happening, you know, 620 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 1: trying to hide the body, trying to you know, throw 621 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: people off the trail of what happened, trying to move 622 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: the crime, seeing things like that. I'm just trying to 623 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 1: absorb what you're telling me right now. It seems like 624 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: with that many, that many people involved, that somebody would 625 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 1: come forward and tell the truth. Well, the boys that 626 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 1: we believe that that one of the boys, you know, 627 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: has a family member that was a prominent politician, and 628 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,760 Speaker 1: the other boys had family members that were empowerful physicians 629 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 1: in the county, and so they were able to you know, 630 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: people were threatened over the years that have come forward 631 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: to me and told me they were threatened. There was 632 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,319 Speaker 1: a young boy who was friends with Tara, and he 633 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: had a friend he had a relative in the neighboring 634 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 1: county sheriff's office and he was asked to leave the search, stating, 635 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 1: you know too much your friends with these boys, and 636 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 1: you need to leave. Your life is in danger. There 637 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: were powerful sources trying to cover up this crime. You know, 638 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: I'm just overwhelmed at what I'm hearing and why this 639 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: has gone beyond the Valencia Sheriff's office. Who's the current 640 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,319 Speaker 1: sheriff now, Melinda. The current sheriff is Louis Burkhard, and 641 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,760 Speaker 1: we he's really been trying to help us get dis solved. 642 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 1: He's not from the county. He doesn't have relatives or 643 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,400 Speaker 1: you know, inside the county, which has been helpful because 644 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: um even you know, as far as the task force 645 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 1: that was formed in two thousand and thirteen, it consisted 646 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: of five agencies. It was Valencia County Sheriff's office, it 647 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 1: was Berna Leio County, Albuquerque Police Department, State Police, and 648 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 1: led by Homeland Security. Well after you know, when they 649 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 1: had started this task force, people were being interviewed, we 650 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: discovered there was a leak and we couldn't figure out 651 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 1: where it was. Well, the sister Michelle helped figure out 652 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: where the leak was and we found out it was 653 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: in State police and they were excused from the task force. 654 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: If you care about this case, if you want to 655 00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 1: make a difference, you can contact Sheriff Lewis Burke Hard 656 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:08,280 Speaker 1: at five zero five eight six six hundred. Louis Burkhard, 657 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,720 Speaker 1: the County, the New County Sheriff there, Valencia County, five 658 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:18,800 Speaker 1: zero five eight six six hundred. Do you ever feel 659 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 1: that you have heard something or something comes to your 660 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:28,440 Speaker 1: attention on purpose for a reason, you are hearing the 661 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: story today of Tara Calico. Her mom and dad are 662 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:38,760 Speaker 1: no longer here to continue the fight, to continue seeking 663 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: justice for Tara Calico. But we can through the Valencia 664 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office there at four four four Luna Avenue, 665 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:55,839 Speaker 1: PO Box one nine, Las Lunas, New Mexico again phone 666 00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 1: number five zero five eight six six, two thousand and 667 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:05,840 Speaker 1: and one. That is how to reach the Valencia County 668 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,320 Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office. And then of course there is the State 669 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 1: Attorney General. Let me ask you, Melinda, who is left 670 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,399 Speaker 1: in her family that would be willing to the state 671 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:24,120 Speaker 1: Attorney General, Her sister Michelle Doll, who I work with 672 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,399 Speaker 1: on this case, and uh, you know, I just want 673 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 1: to say something really quick. Um, there are a lot 674 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,320 Speaker 1: of people who are afraid to go to the sheriff's 675 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 1: office because of everything that has happened over the years. 676 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: And so if they're afraid to go to the sheriff's 677 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: they can go to the FBI because it is now 678 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 1: an open case with the FBI. They have reopened this case. 679 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 1: I didn't know the FBI had reopened it. Yes, it 680 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,800 Speaker 1: just happened recently because people were you know, there's a 681 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,080 Speaker 1: lot of pressure from the media and people are scared 682 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 1: to go to the sheriff's office. They know there's some 683 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,400 Speaker 1: type of cover up, and you know, they are fearful 684 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 1: for their lives. Back to the Attorney in General, it's 685 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: Hector Balderis, and there's a toll free number from in 686 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 1: Santa Fe one eight four four two five five n 687 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 1: one zero eight four four two five five nine two 688 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:18,319 Speaker 1: one zero, Albuquerque eight four four two five five nine 689 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 1: two one zero, same thing, same thing throughout. You can 690 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: get through to the Attorney General Hector Balderis. Now, tell me, 691 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,840 Speaker 1: you were just saying that the FBI is now in 692 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: on the case. How did that happen? Melinda escobell I 693 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,839 Speaker 1: was told by the sister she had received a phone 694 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 1: call from them, and I guess there's a lot of 695 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: media pressure about solving this case, and so they had 696 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 1: stated that that that is why they decided to reopen it. 697 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,359 Speaker 1: And I think there was a lot of speculation about 698 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 1: the cover up in the county. Wow, and so they 699 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 1: they decided to reopen the case. And you know, people 700 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:00,920 Speaker 1: are definitely you know, they tell us, we don't want 701 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,120 Speaker 1: to go to the Sherif's office. We are scared to death, 702 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,080 Speaker 1: Kent where else can we go? And you know, when 703 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 1: the when the test Force was open, we told him 704 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,960 Speaker 1: go to the task Force, but that you know, had 705 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,439 Speaker 1: shut down for a number of reasons. And but now 706 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 1: the FBI is actively you know, investigating, so they can 707 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,239 Speaker 1: definitely go to the FBI. It's amazing to me that 708 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: it's gone this far that now the FBI has to 709 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 1: be in on it. What's the response of the family 710 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:31,960 Speaker 1: about the FBI now being involved in the case. I think, 711 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 1: you know, they're happy about it because we've been very 712 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,200 Speaker 1: frustrated the Galensa County Sherif's office. They don't have the 713 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 1: budget to you know, really keep this going, so they 714 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 1: do it in between everything else. Well with the current 715 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 1: crimes they've got their fighting. Let me give out the 716 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:51,759 Speaker 1: FBI number in the Albuquerque area. It is five zero 717 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:56,279 Speaker 1: five eight eight nine. If you don't want to go 718 00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:02,560 Speaker 1: through state channels. FBI number five zero five eight eight nine. 719 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,600 Speaker 1: I want to thank Rosalie Rayburn from the Albuquerque Journal 720 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,960 Speaker 1: and Melinda Escobal. Melinda Escobell has created documentary and the 721 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: podcast about Tara Calico Vanished, The Tar Calico Story, The 722 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:26,200 Speaker 1: Tar Calico Investigation that you can download. We're not giving 723 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,920 Speaker 1: up in the search for the truth about what happened 724 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:37,040 Speaker 1: to Tara Calico. Nancy Grace crime Story. Signing off, Goodbye friend,