WEBVTT - Andrei Sakharov: The Physics of Protest

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<v Speaker 1>Nuclear explosions are caused by weapons such as h bombs

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<v Speaker 1>or atom bombs. They are like ordinary explosions, only many

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<v Speaker 1>times more powerful. They cause great heat and blast. They

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<v Speaker 1>also make a cloud of deadly dust which falls slowly

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<v Speaker 1>to the ground. This is what is called fall out.

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<v Speaker 1>In my mind, real visceral fear of nuclear war just

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<v Speaker 1>seems so twentieth century. Yes, I am showing my privilege,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think of old black and white videos of

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<v Speaker 1>duck and cover drills, of children hiding under their desks

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<v Speaker 1>in their school classrooms with their heads down, of mushroom clouds,

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<v Speaker 1>and guys with nasally accents warning me about the threat

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<v Speaker 1>of communism. You are the target of those who would

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<v Speaker 1>travel the liberties of free men. You are in the

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<v Speaker 1>cross hairs of the bomb site. An enemy is centering

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<v Speaker 1>on you. You are a citizen of the pre world,

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<v Speaker 1>a citizen of the United States of America and the

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<v Speaker 1>sanctity of US democracy. I think of the Cold War

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<v Speaker 1>and a time when segregation was the norm and people

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<v Speaker 1>were free from the soul sucking grasp of social media.

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<v Speaker 1>But I know that's a skewed perspective. It's not just

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<v Speaker 1>a problem of the past. It could still happen within

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<v Speaker 1>our lifetime, not saying that in an alarmist way, just

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<v Speaker 1>in a realistic way. That's a scary proposition, and it

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<v Speaker 1>always has been. But the violence of war is justified

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<v Speaker 1>by those who wage it, the messages the path towards

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<v Speaker 1>justice or peace will be littered with casualties, and that

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear destruction may be the price you have to pay

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<v Speaker 1>to reach that end. Many people support the use of

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear weapons if they believe will save lives of people

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<v Speaker 1>in their own nation or in their favored group. And

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<v Speaker 1>even when the threat of nuclear war looms, the issue

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<v Speaker 1>is not top of mind for many people, and they

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<v Speaker 1>don't take action to try to prevent it, sometimes because

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<v Speaker 1>it's not clear whether their action would even make a difference.

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<v Speaker 1>But some people have rejected the encouragement of nuclear warfare

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<v Speaker 1>compelled to political action in order to protect human rights.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm eas Jeff Coote and This Is Unpopular a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>about people in history who didn't let the threat of

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<v Speaker 1>persecution keep them from speaking truth to power. Andre Dmitrivich

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<v Speaker 1>Saharov was born into a family of relatively well off

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<v Speaker 1>intelligentsia in Moscow in ninety one, the year before the

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet Union was established in Stalin became General Secretary of

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<v Speaker 1>the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. His father was

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<v Speaker 1>a physicist who wrote tech books and taught at the

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<v Speaker 1>Linen Pedagogical Institute, and his mother took care of the family.

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<v Speaker 1>Andre was educated at home by his father and private tutors,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps due to his parents distrust of schooling and standards

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<v Speaker 1>of Soviet education, until he was about thirteen when he

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<v Speaker 1>started going to school. But Andre continued learning outside of school,

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<v Speaker 1>developing an interest in science fiction and science books, photography,

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<v Speaker 1>and physics. In nineteen thirty eight, he enrolled in the

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<v Speaker 1>physics program at Moscow State University. Three years later, Germany

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<v Speaker 1>invaded the Soviet Union. At this point, physics students began

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<v Speaker 1>contributing to the war effort. Andre extinguished bombs, repaired radio

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<v Speaker 1>equipment for the army, and invented a magnetic device for

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<v Speaker 1>finding strapnel and injured horses. While other physics students were

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<v Speaker 1>accepted into the Air Force Academy, Andre did not pass

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<v Speaker 1>his medical exam. Instead of going into military service, he

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<v Speaker 1>was moved with the remaining university students and faculty to

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<v Speaker 1>Ashkhabad in Central Asia, where he finished his studies. He

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<v Speaker 1>graduated with honors in nineteen forty two. Andre turned down

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<v Speaker 1>an opportunity to go to graduate school and study theoretical physics,

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<v Speaker 1>opting to work at a cartridge factory in Olyanovsk, a

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<v Speaker 1>city on the Volga River. Soon he was transferred to

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<v Speaker 1>the Central Laboratory's metallurgical department, where he met his first

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<v Speaker 1>wife and created a method for testing the armor piercing

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<v Speaker 1>steel corps of fourteen point five millimeter bullets for anti

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<v Speaker 1>tank guns. But in nineteen forty five, the same year

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<v Speaker 1>the world's first atomic bombs were dropped over Japan, Andre

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<v Speaker 1>decided to return to physics and began graduate work at

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<v Speaker 1>the p n Elevative Institute of Physics of the Soviet

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<v Speaker 1>Academy of Science. There he worked under Russian physicist Igor

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<v Speaker 1>tam who went on to see the nineteen fifty eight

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<v Speaker 1>Nobel Prize in Physics jointly with his colleagues for discovering

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<v Speaker 1>Charon cough radiation. He produced scientific papers and gave lectures

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<v Speaker 1>on nuclear physics and electricity, and he earned his candidate

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<v Speaker 1>of Doctor of Science degree similar to a doctorate, for

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<v Speaker 1>his research into cosmic right theory in nineteen forty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>Andre had turned down invitations to work on the Soviet

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<v Speaker 1>atomic bomb project twice, choosing to continue working with Tam,

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<v Speaker 1>but as fate would have it, he would soon began

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<v Speaker 1>working on bombs anyway. In nineteen forty eight, he and

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<v Speaker 1>Tam co authored the paper the Outlined a principle for

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<v Speaker 1>the magnetic isolation of high temperature plasma, the last the

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<v Speaker 1>mainstream science world heard from them for two decades. As

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<v Speaker 1>the Cold War geared up and the Soviet Union prepared

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<v Speaker 1>to go up against you as nuclear power, Tam and

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<v Speaker 1>his team, including Saharof, were pegged to help research the

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<v Speaker 1>feasibility of a thermoew clear bomb. The hydrogen bomb or

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<v Speaker 1>H bomb, nicknamed the super bomb, was the next step

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<v Speaker 1>in the evolution of nuclear weapons. Saharrof helped develop the

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<v Speaker 1>first Soviet thermonuclear bomb. Realizing the so called Trouba design

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<v Speaker 1>that the Soviets were initially working off of for the

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<v Speaker 1>H bomb was problematic, he proposed a new design on

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<v Speaker 1>as sloka, or a layer cake as it's been translated.

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<v Speaker 1>In this design, alternating layers of deuterium and uranium will

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<v Speaker 1>be placed between the fisile core of an atomic bomb

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<v Speaker 1>and the surrounding chemical high explosive. Another of Tamp's students,

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<v Speaker 1>Vatali Ginsburg, built on this design. Sahhar Off was also

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<v Speaker 1>instrumental in the conceptualization of the Tacomac reactor, a device

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<v Speaker 1>that can produce controlled thermonuclear fusion power. In nineteen fifty

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<v Speaker 1>the H bomb team was transferred to what was known

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<v Speaker 1>as the Installation, a research and develop upment center in

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<v Speaker 1>a secret Soviet city. On August twelfth, nineteen fifty three,

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<v Speaker 1>a layer cake model hydrogen bomb was detonated. Saharof was

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<v Speaker 1>honored with full membership in the Soviet Academy of Sciences

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<v Speaker 1>with the first of three Hero of Socialist Labor medals

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<v Speaker 1>he received and with a Stalin Prize, a huge salary,

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<v Speaker 1>and a country house. And he went on to do

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<v Speaker 1>more work on the H bomb, making major contributions to

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<v Speaker 1>the design used in the Soviet H bomb tested in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty five. Throughout all this time he was improving

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<v Speaker 1>the AGE bomb. He was convinced that his work would

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<v Speaker 1>help defend the Soviet Union and prevent a nuclear war.

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<v Speaker 1>He maintained a perspective of socialist idolism and thought this

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<v Speaker 1>was a path toward peace. He felt it was essential work.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't ignore how horrible and inhuman our work was.

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<v Speaker 1>But the war that had death ended was also inhuman.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't a soldier in that war, but I felt

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<v Speaker 1>like one in the scientific and technological war. He said

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<v Speaker 1>that it was psychological that the work made it seem

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<v Speaker 1>like all the sacrifices they had made in devastation they

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<v Speaker 1>had suffered through the Second World War was not for nought.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the late nineteen fifties, the potential consequences of

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<v Speaker 1>atmospheric nuclear testing began to weigh on his conscience, leading

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<v Speaker 1>to a complete one eight in his beliefs about nuclear weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be right back after this quick break. The ethics

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<v Speaker 1>of the work Andre saw her Off and everybody else

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<v Speaker 1>working on nuclear bombs was doing is sticky stuff. The

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<v Speaker 1>morality of building and constantly refining a weapon specifically made

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<v Speaker 1>to kill hundreds of thousands of people in service of

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<v Speaker 1>political goals is questionable, regardless of a person's intent. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the topic of the ethics of war as a whole

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<v Speaker 1>is a can of worms that you probably don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to open at a dinner table. Saharab's thermonuclear research does

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<v Speaker 1>have more practical applications and peaceful uses. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's fair to say that Sav's work, despite the brainwashing

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<v Speaker 1>influence of Soviet propaganda and Saharav's noble intentions, was not

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<v Speaker 1>the most honorable and decent work. At the bottom line,

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<v Speaker 1>he would be implicated in thousands of potential deaths in

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<v Speaker 1>all the other health and environmental effects nuclear weapons have.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to change our minds on the big issues

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<v Speaker 1>and things we feel strongly about, let alone change other

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<v Speaker 1>people's minds. Climate change, for instance, is pulling people in

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<v Speaker 1>different directions right now. Some say the world is changing

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<v Speaker 1>as it always has, while others believe we're living in

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<v Speaker 1>the anthroposcene, a new epoch where humans are causing a

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<v Speaker 1>major change on the climate and environment. Pew Research Center

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<v Speaker 1>survey showed that in most of the twenty six countries surveyed,

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<v Speaker 1>majorities saw climate change as a major threat to the nation.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time, many people in those countries saw

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<v Speaker 1>climate change as a minor threat or no threat at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the US, there is a wide gap between

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats and Republicans on the issue, with Republicans being way

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<v Speaker 1>less likely to say climate change is a major threat.

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<v Speaker 1>All that's to say that opinion can be split on

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<v Speaker 1>an issue even when a scientific consensus has been reached,

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, that human activities have caused climate change,

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<v Speaker 1>Especially when the issue goes beyond disagreement over facts and

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<v Speaker 1>into the territory of politics and emotions. Still, people's opinions

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<v Speaker 1>do shift, as a study out of Yale and George

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<v Speaker 1>Mason University showed people change their minds about global warming

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<v Speaker 1>for a number of self reported reasons, but mainly because

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<v Speaker 1>they experienced the impacts of it, because they took it

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<v Speaker 1>more seriously, and because they became more informed on the issue.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody thinks they're right, Everybody has an opinion. No one

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<v Speaker 1>reads anymore. Everyone's divided. The Internet is making us stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>No one thinks for themselves. Tribalism, YadA, YadA, YadA. I

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<v Speaker 1>can be that grumpy get off my lawn person if

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<v Speaker 1>I want. The fact is we're capable of switching our

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<v Speaker 1>tunes and reaching new conclusions on issues over our lifetime.

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<v Speaker 1>And when it comes to challenging other people to think

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<v Speaker 1>differently and opposing accepted values and systems, it is possible

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<v Speaker 1>to get people to evaluate their beliefs and potentially change them,

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<v Speaker 1>even when it's about super controversial issues like warfare and

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<v Speaker 1>weapons of mass destruction. Garian American physicist Edward Teller, dubbed

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<v Speaker 1>the father of the hydrogen bomb, claimed that the US

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<v Speaker 1>had developed a so called clean bomb with a negligible

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<v Speaker 1>amount of radioactivity. He claimed that the dangers of radioactive

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<v Speaker 1>fallout from such bombs was equivalent to being an ounce

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<v Speaker 1>overweight or smoking one cigarette every two months. Most of

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<v Speaker 1>the physicists at the installation agreed that radioactive fallout was

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<v Speaker 1>not an issue that anyone needed to really worry about.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen fifty seven, Igor Kurchatov asked Andre to write

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<v Speaker 1>an article denouncing the clean bomb without talking about regular

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<v Speaker 1>thermal nuclear weapons. But Andre went beyond the political and

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<v Speaker 1>propagandistic aims of the assignment in his nineteen fifty eight

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<v Speaker 1>journal article. Based on his calculations made using available biological data,

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<v Speaker 1>a megatent blast from a clean h bomb would create

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<v Speaker 1>enough radioactive carbon to kill six thousand, six hundred people

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<v Speaker 1>over eight thousand years. That assessment was pretty similar to Tellers,

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<v Speaker 1>but framed differently. Rather than minimize the effect on human lives,

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<v Speaker 1>Sahrov's numbers emphasized that people were actually going to die

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<v Speaker 1>because of the fallout, not just have days chopped off

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<v Speaker 1>for their lifespan. The more testing of h bombs, the

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<v Speaker 1>more people would die, and people should not take lightly

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<v Speaker 1>their responsibility in this harm. What moral and political conclusions

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<v Speaker 1>must be made from these numbers, he wrote. Stopping tests,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, would save thousands of lives and reduce international tensions.

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<v Speaker 1>The Soviet government had called for a temporary moratorium on

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear tests, and that moratorium lasted for about two and

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<v Speaker 1>a half years, But in nineteen sixty one, when Soviet

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<v Speaker 1>leader Nikita Krushchev revoked the moratorium, saw Harov objected. He

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<v Speaker 1>argued that starting testing again would not do much for

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<v Speaker 1>them technically, but he had next to no Soviet support. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>saw Harov obey orders from Kruschev to start preparations for testing.

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<v Speaker 1>He headed the development of the fifty megatime so called

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<v Speaker 1>star bomb, tested in October of nineteen sixty one, It

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<v Speaker 1>was the most powerful bomb ever exploded on Earth. Saaf

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<v Speaker 1>began to feel a personal and professional responsibility for preventing

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<v Speaker 1>the harms of fallout. He believes that, in his words,

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<v Speaker 1>atmospheric nuclear testing was a crime against humanity and no

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<v Speaker 1>different than pouring deadly germs into a city water reservoir.

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<v Speaker 1>He tried unsuccessfully to prevent the testing of two bombs

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty two, but his efforts to stop atmospheric

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear testing did pay off. Saw her Off, with the

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<v Speaker 1>help of his colleague Victor Adomski, proposed the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>a partial band. In nineteen sixty three, the US, Great Britain,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Soviet Union signed the Limited Test Band Treaty,

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<v Speaker 1>which banned the testing of nuclear weapons in outer space,

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<v Speaker 1>the atmosphere, and underwater, but let tests continue underground. Sahrov

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<v Speaker 1>stayed at the installation, which he said would allow him

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<v Speaker 1>to continue his work in banning testing, but he began

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<v Speaker 1>focusing on fundamental science again, publishing papers on cosmology. He

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<v Speaker 1>supported people who faced political discrimination and persecution, and he

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<v Speaker 1>continued to write about nuclear disarmament, intellectual freedom, and the

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<v Speaker 1>need to establish civil liberties in the Soviet Union. When

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<v Speaker 1>anti ballistic missile defense became a key issue in US

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet relations, saw Harof advised Soviet leaders to accept an

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<v Speaker 1>American proposal for a moratorium on the defenses. He feared

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<v Speaker 1>the technology. When an insight in arms rates and undermine

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<v Speaker 1>the stability that mutually assured destruction brought. He asked to

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<v Speaker 1>publish his argument in the Soviet press, but leadership denied

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<v Speaker 1>that request, so in nineteen sixty eight he self published

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<v Speaker 1>an essay called Reflections on Progress. He full coexistence in

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<v Speaker 1>intellectual freedom, circulating it in an underground typewritten format. The

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<v Speaker 1>essays spread to other countries. In the essay, Saharof called

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<v Speaker 1>for disarmament and warned people of the threats humanity faced.

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<v Speaker 1>Those included thermo nuclear extinction, ecological catastrophe, famine and uncontrolled

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<v Speaker 1>population explosion, alienation and dogmatic distortion of our conception of reality.

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<v Speaker 1>As Saharof put it, he denounced stalinism and criticized repression

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<v Speaker 1>in the Soviet Union. He promoted the conversions of communists

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<v Speaker 1>and capitalist systems in a form of democratic socialism, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as cordial relations between the US and Soviet Union,

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<v Speaker 1>and he emphasized the importance of freedom of opinion. Intellectual

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<v Speaker 1>freedom is essential to human society. Freedom to obtain and

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<v Speaker 1>distribute information, freedom for open minded and unfearing debate, and

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<v Speaker 1>freedom from pressure, officialdom and prejudices. Such a trinity of

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<v Speaker 1>freedom of thought is the only guarantee against an infection

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<v Speaker 1>of people by mass myths, which, in the hands of

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<v Speaker 1>treacherous hypocrites and demagogues, can be transformed into bloody dictatorship.

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<v Speaker 1>Freedom of thought is the only guarantee of the feasibility

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<v Speaker 1>of a scientific, democratic approach to politics, economy, and culture.

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<v Speaker 1>But freedom of thought is under a triple threat in

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<v Speaker 1>modern society from the deliberate opium of mass culture, from cowardly,

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<v Speaker 1>egotistic and philistine ideologies, and from the ossified dogmatism of

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<v Speaker 1>a bureaucratic oligarchy and its favorite weapon, ideological censorship. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 1>freedom of thought requires the defense of all thinking and

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<v Speaker 1>honest people. Let's take a quick break. The essay got

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<v Speaker 1>lots of attention in the Soviet Union and abroad. After

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<v Speaker 1>its publication, Sahrov was banned from all military related research.

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<v Speaker 1>He turned to theoretical physics and human rights work. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy, he and other Soviet dissidents formed the Moscow

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<v Speaker 1>Human Rights Committee. He wrote text criticizing the Soviet government

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<v Speaker 1>that earned him international recognition. After his wife died, he

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<v Speaker 1>remarried to a doctor named Yelena Bonner, who was also

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<v Speaker 1>an activist Saharav spoke out on many different issues of

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<v Speaker 1>human rights, from the exile of the Tatar people of

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<v Speaker 1>the Crimea to the government's use of punitive psychiatry. As

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<v Speaker 1>he became known more for his activism, the Soviet Union

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<v Speaker 1>and the press expressed their discontent with Saharov and his actions.

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<v Speaker 1>Members of the Soviet Academy of Sciences signed open letters

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<v Speaker 1>that denounced him, newspapers published letters attacking him. Still, in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy Sarev won the Nobel Peace Prize for his

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<v Speaker 1>human rights activism in opposition to the abuse of power.

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<v Speaker 1>The Soviet Union refused to give him permission to travel

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<v Speaker 1>to Norway to get the prize, so his wife got

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<v Speaker 1>it for him. When Saharav publicly opposed the nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>nine Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and called for a boycott

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<v Speaker 1>of the Olympics in Moscow, the Soviet Union responded by

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<v Speaker 1>stripping him of his honors and exiling him in Gorky,

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<v Speaker 1>a city on the Volga River, and cutting off his

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<v Speaker 1>contact with friends and colleagues. He remained there for seven years,

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<v Speaker 1>subject to surveillance and harassment by the KGB or Soviet

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<v Speaker 1>secret police. Bonnard was also banished to Gorky for her

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<v Speaker 1>anti Soviet activities. During his time in exile, Sahara wrote

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<v Speaker 1>memoirs and appeals for persecuted human rights activists. He also

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<v Speaker 1>wrote essays that were published in the Western press and

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<v Speaker 1>went on hunger star in protest of the Soviet government's actions.

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<v Speaker 1>In December of nineteen eighty six, with a new policy

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<v Speaker 1>of Paris Stroika or moderate political and economic restructuring, Soviet

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<v Speaker 1>leader Mikhail Gorbachev let Bonner and Saharof return to Moscow.

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<v Speaker 1>Sahara began traveling abroad and meeting with politicians. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty nine, he was elected a member of the First

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<v Speaker 1>Congress of People's Deputies representing the Academy of Sciences, and

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<v Speaker 1>his honors were restored. Saharaf continued to advocate for human

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<v Speaker 1>rights in Soviet reform until he died of a heart

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<v Speaker 1>attack on December fourteenth, nineteen eighty nine, in Moscow. Andre

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<v Speaker 1>Saharov's story is far from a tale of lifelong commitment

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<v Speaker 1>to human rights, fearless resistance, and perfect human decency. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not quite the tale of the apathetic, cruel grinch growing

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<v Speaker 1>his heart to three times its original size, either, but

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<v Speaker 1>his story does have a reversal worthy of any well

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<v Speaker 1>written by a graphical drama. Sahrov had a hand in

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<v Speaker 1>the production and testing of weapons that would do harm

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<v Speaker 1>to and kill a lot of people. He continued to

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<v Speaker 1>work in the military industrial complex even as his advocacy

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<v Speaker 1>for peace, human rights, and disarmament grew. His willingness to

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<v Speaker 1>think and reevaluate the work he was doing and its consequences,

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<v Speaker 1>led to him using the power and the privilege he

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<v Speaker 1>had to fight for human rights and speak out against

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet ideology and actions. Sahrov's dissidents took time to develop,

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<v Speaker 1>but the outcome was a person who promoted peace and

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<v Speaker 1>progress and inspired political change. What Sav's evolution can show

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<v Speaker 1>us is that drastic changes in thought and action are

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<v Speaker 1>not impossible. Education, critical thinking, and awareness of actionable solutions

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<v Speaker 1>can spark a consciousness that empowers people to question values

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