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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is

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Speaker 2: Okay, we have a fun guest today on.

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Speaker 3: What has become a little bit of a touchy subject.

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Speaker 1: For apparently you and me. It's reared its ugly head

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Speaker 1: yet again. We're bringing it into twenty twenty five. I guess.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we're going to talk to the head of the

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Speaker 2: Corvette Museum in Bowling Green, Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: Robe Maxheimer.

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Speaker 2: You are the bigger Corvette fan, I mean officially because

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Speaker 2: you own corvettes.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a competition.

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Speaker 3: It's not a.

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Speaker 2: Competition, but I feel a love. I've recently rekindled love

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Speaker 2: for the Corvette. But it's happened to me a couple

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Speaker 2: of times in my life that I've gotten pretty close

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Speaker 3: And right now I'm there with the C eight.

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Speaker 1: It's only a matter of time. I mean, I do

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Speaker 1: think the Corvette is really under loved and underappreciated. So

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Speaker 1: I'm very happy to talk to Robert about corvettes and

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Speaker 1: pop culture and this new exhibit they've got. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not surprised you are in love with it again. I

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Speaker 1: think it's only a matter of time. Yeah, you get yours.

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Speaker 3: I also hope that we see more. You know, we've

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Speaker 3: talked in the past.

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Speaker 2: We talked to Tom Wagner, who owns a number of

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Speaker 2: car businesses and racing businesses through Nighthead Capital. One of

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Speaker 2: them is Revology and they make the Mustangs, but they've

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Speaker 2: considered an expansion and I really hope they do a

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Speaker 1: Wait did he tell us this or is this new information?

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Speaker 3: He told us?

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Speaker 2: I think that they were considering other vehicles or projects.

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Speaker 1: You've since learned and.

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Speaker 2: I've heard from Tom at Revology also that they would

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Speaker 2: be open to mulling the potential of you know, other things.

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Speaker 2: And there are already some like Resto Mode or kit

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Speaker 3: And you know that I get excited about that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I'm going to vote for a C

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Speaker 1: three version just because I'm going to be a broken

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Speaker 1: record this entire podcast going taking everything back to the

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Speaker 1: C three. But I mean, why not a C three?

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Speaker 1: Restoh get the younger set the eighties babies.

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Speaker 3: I do agree with you that it is way more

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Speaker 3: punk rock.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got an attitude problem.

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Speaker 2: And I love if Alison Mosshart had a Corvette, it

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Speaker 2: would be a c Yeah, there you go. Speaking of

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Speaker 2: Alison Mossheart. We had listener email and we encourage listeners

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Speaker 2: to write in. Our email address is.

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Speaker 1: Hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we had a great listener email that you

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Speaker 2: highlighted recently about somebody who did listen to the Alison

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Speaker 2: Mossheart episode and appreciated her and her challenger challenge.

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Speaker 1: Yes, this was from Doug. We'll just say your first name, Doug.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for writing. I think we've heard from

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Speaker 1: you a time or two before. And we love the

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Speaker 1: photo that you sent of your daughters with a white

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Speaker 1: challenger just like Allison's super cool. And yeah, I also

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Speaker 1: getting into do we like digital? Do we like analog gauges?

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Speaker 3: Does anyone like digital gauges?

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Speaker 1: You know, I think I wrote back and told Doug

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Speaker 2: That's the that's the kind of car you lease for

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Speaker 2: I mean you know what, obviously you see a lot

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Speaker 3: Right Is that fair?

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Speaker 1: Honestly I disagree. I think half of them now are

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Speaker 2: True, that's painful to think about, but you're you're right.

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Speaker 2: I know a guy who actually offered to let me

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Speaker 2: Awesome dude, super genius quant investor who isn't really that

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Speaker 2: But after a year of driving it occasionally. He sold

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Speaker 1: And do that just flipped a lot of people do

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't think that's cool. I appreciate the like

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Speaker 3: She old enough to have a driver's license.

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Speaker 3: Young man's car. And I guess that's probably true for

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Speaker 1: You know, that would be interesting, can you imagine? I mean,

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Speaker 2: Or maybe she just loves cars, you know, like sometimes

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Speaker 1: True, but she has a long history already established of

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Speaker 1: Doesn't she like work on a truck or something she

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Speaker 1: Maybe Doua has that as well, it's just less publicized.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to Robert Maxheimer without further ado.

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Speaker 2: He runs the Corvette Museum in Bowling Green, Kentucky. Robert,

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Speaker 1: In an exhibit. It's a new exhibit, right, a.

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Speaker 2: New exhibit, but just the museum itself. First of all,

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Speaker 2: it's in Bowling Green, Kentucky. So Hannah would have to

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Speaker 1: And I almost have I have been to the museum.

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Speaker 3: Oh you have you?

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Speaker 1: Now do you believe that I love corvettes?

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Speaker 4: I know you did? Think I think she liked it.

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Speaker 1: And the name corvette comes from a naval term for

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great question because I think for years

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Speaker 4: It was purely designed. Larry liked the look of it

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Speaker 1: love how it's got an attitude and it's so compelling.

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00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: And you know, you're so right. It doesn't drive great,

441
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 1: but it's got a personality. The point is not not

442
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 1: to have the best handling or fastest car. You know.

443
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: I've got a seventy seven C three, so you know

444
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 1: it's and it's not even a manual, it's an automatic,

445
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: so you know it's I bought it because I like

446
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 1: how it looks and it just has this attitude that

447
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 1: I love so much. Yes, the C twos are really

448
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 1: beautiful in classic, but for me, the C three is

449
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 1: a punk car and I love that about it.

450
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 4: I could see that totally, especially the transition. You know,

451
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 4: you had the chrome bumper and completely releast free and

452
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 4: paula eurothmee bumper, which is a look.

453
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a look, and I have to

454
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: say my husband. My husband has a chrome bumper that's

455
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: a four speed manual, so I do have access to that.

456
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: But I of course have the underloved non chrome bumper automatic,

457
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 1: and the first time I drove it, I actually did

458
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: ding the nose because it's so much longer than you

459
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 1: think in the driving it No, it really it can

460
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: catch you out if you're not careful. So I don't know.

461
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: It's got such a personality.

462
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 3: I really love that.

463
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing, just you know, we're talking about

464
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 4: all this in the Corvette. What really struck me about

465
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 4: it when I was doing the research when I started,

466
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 4: was every year to constantly push innovation. It's always what's next,

467
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 4: what can we do to make this car better? Constantly?

468
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 4: It's not they don't sit back and just.

469
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: Let it ride, you know, it's is that true for

470
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: Is that true for the late eighties nineties era? I

471
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 1: mean it did kind of feel like they were coasting

472
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: a little.

473
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 4: Bit, well a little bit. I mean when you get

474
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 4: into the C four, you know, and especially towards that

475
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 4: ninety six.

476
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: When it's stopped.

477
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 4: You know, the C four was was a bridge into

478
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 4: the technology era. I think you know, that's why there

479
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 4: were so many issues with it because they were trying

480
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 4: to put so much computerized.

481
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: You know, they're trying too hard.

482
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. And then into the C five. I mean,

483
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 4: the C five kind of saved Corvette because it's it

484
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 4: was such a big seller and people felt comfortable in

485
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 4: the car, So each one serves its purpose. Then you

486
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 4: get into the C six with the z R one

487
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 4: and you're getting more into performance back slightly, yeah, exactly,

488
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 4: and then the C seven, the C seventh for a

489
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 4: lot of people is the pinnacle of the Corvette. I mean,

490
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 4: it's just a it has that that same line, the

491
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 4: same silhouette as a as a client.

492
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: Still that I'm gonna I'm gonna totally disagree. I love

493
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: the C eight. I thought it was so much car

494
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: for the money when I first drove it in twenty

495
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: late twenty.

496
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 3: Well, but it's a massive departure, right, I get completely.

497
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: So it looks like a Ferrari.

498
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 2: So I mean the C seven I think looked like

499
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 2: a Ferrari at the time too. That's when I saw

500
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 2: that unveiled. It was the first it was one of

501
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 2: the things that I thought, not in a bad way,

502
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 2: because I fell in love with the car right away.

503
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: But I thought that's the end of an a of

504
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 2: the traditional Corvette era. I agree because the motors in

505
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: the front right where it should be on a Corvette.

506
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 3: And the C eight.

507
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 2: Although I'm head over heels in love and I can't

508
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: wait to as soon as it's as soon as it's

509
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: financially possible, get my own.

510
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 3: It's a different kind of thing.

511
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: It's different.

512
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and do a lot of people see that break

513
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 2: just because of the engine placement.

514
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 4: You know, there's people that complain about it. There's traditionalists

515
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 4: now there that will never sell their C seven. But

516
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 4: we have the museum delivery program here at the museum,

517
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 4: and it's just you know, it's their only C eights,

518
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 4: the brand new cars, and it's eight cars a day,

519
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 4: you know. So there's people not only buying these, but

520
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 4: they're they're seeing that the younger generation is getting more

521
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 4: attracted to the car more than any other generation of Corvette.

522
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 4: So I think that was their objective was to say, hey,

523
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,479
Speaker 4: we need to shake things up and get these other

524
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 4: people interested in this younger generation. By the way, we're

525
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 4: not competing with Ford, we're not competing with the Mustang.

526
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 4: We're competing with Portia and Lamborghini and Ferrari and Asta Martin,

527
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 4: those are that's our benchmark. So I think that's what

528
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 4: the CAA did. And you mentioned before it's not a supercar.

529
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 4: Well then you've got the z R one that came out,

530
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 4: you know, one thy sixty four horse power.

531
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it is a supercar power even

532
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 2: before you get to the ZR one leg in my so,

533
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 2: in my opinion, Hanna and I have talked about this

534
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: a lot.

535
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 3: We don't take it, but it's oh we can, It's

536
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 3: we can. I mean, where else are you going to

537
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 3: find something like the Z six right?

538
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: Uh, flatplane crank and it's naturally aspirated but still makes

539
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: what six hundred and fifty horse power?

540
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 3: And I mean it just in my opinion, just ticks

541
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 3: all the boxes. Now what would what? I can't remember

542
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 3: why did you say it's not a supercar? Handah, just

543
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 3: because it doesn't cost not.

544
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: A supercar, because a supercar is a superlative vehicle that

545
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: combines the best of every element and was always intended

546
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: to be that the top. The Corvette was not conceived

547
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: as a superlative vehicle. We've just gone over how it

548
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: actually wasn't at all and ps. The Corvette has the

549
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: nickname America sports Car, Like, how how much more evidence

550
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: do you need? You know that, Yes, we have higher

551
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: power variance of the Corvette, of course, but it was

552
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: not conceived as a superlative performance vehicle that would cost

553
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: more and do more than any other vehicle in the lineup.

554
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: So Robert, what do you what do you think? I mean,

555
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 3: is a C eight Is a Z six a supercar?

556
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 4: That's a good I mean, that's a good point you

557
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 4: think of like the four GT that.

558
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: Is that was conceived as the superlatives.

559
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 4: I would say it's a supercar.

560
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: Yes, agree, you know that is not Yeah, go ahead, sorry, sorry,

561
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: go ahead, I get.

562
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 4: Rid no worries, No, I get your point. But the

563
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 4: fact that you can have within the same car, you know,

564
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 4: multiple entry points. You know, you can get into a

565
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 4: sting Ray for sixty thousand in a base model or

566
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 4: like we were talking about the z R one, which

567
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 4: is going to cost who knows how much that's going

568
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 4: to be, which I would argue is a supercar. So

569
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 4: but I get your point of it if not being

570
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:06,959
Speaker 4: conceived and delivered as specifically a supercar from the beginning,

571
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 4: I think once you drive it. You would call it

572
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 4: a supercar, but you know, I.

573
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: Mean, if if a Z six is better than a

574
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: Ferrari four to fifty eight, is it just a sports

575
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: car that happens to be better than a supercar?

576
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 4: Good point? Good point.

577
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: I don't know who's saying it's better than a four fifty.

578
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: I'm saying if you can drive them back to back

579
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: and draw your own conclusions.

580
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 3: But a lot of people would say it is.

581
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: Are you saying that?

582
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 4: Though?

583
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: No, No, I haven't driven a four to fifty eight,

584
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: so I'm just telling you what other people have with

585
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: more experience, like Eddie Alterman, would say it is at

586
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: least as good as, if not better, and he has

587
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: a heck of a lot of experience driving cars.

588
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 4: It could be competitive with the four fifty eight on

589
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 4: the track consistently, should it be in the same conversation

590
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 4: as the supercar?

591
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: I argue that a four to fifty eight is also

592
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: not a supercar.

593
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 3: I knew you were gonna say that.

594
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: How's that?

595
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 3: I knew that was coming.

596
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: Then Ferraris are supercars, but I wouldn't, and I don't. Look,

597
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to awaken the Ferrari beast, but I

598
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: might argue that a four to fifty eight isn't a supercar,

599
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: it's a high end sports car, and that's wonderful.

600
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 4: Really, the difference is consumer consumer car, the car that's

601
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 4: made for consumer specifically a mass sure, yes, versus like

602
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 4: the C five, R s you know, C six, R

603
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 4: C seven, r C eight. Are those race cars?

604
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: Sure?

605
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 4: You know? Yes, specific we're racing.

606
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's part of it.

607
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: Let's talk about racing, Robert, because there's so much made

608
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: about Ford versus Ferrari. And I get that the g

609
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: T forty or you know that those special cars. You know,

610
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: our our supercars and are very special like a Ferrari.

611
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: But Corvette has real racing pedigree in multiple generations, right,

612
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: and you know they sometimes achieved one, two three finishes

613
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: at Lamal. So what do you think are the are

614
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: the proudest moments in Corvette racing?

615
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 4: You know, I think going back to the golf Oil

616
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 4: series and the you know, the early sixties, you know,

617
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 4: with the C one and then into the C two,

618
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 4: they were highly competitive and you know you have Bill Cunningham,

619
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 4: Don Diego and all these like really famous race car

620
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 4: drivers that drove these cars and just kicked butt time

621
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 4: after time, and then GM pulled out of that right

622
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 4: they said, you know, this isn't for us. And then

623
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 4: you get into the early seventies and then the late

624
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 4: eighties with the Challenge Series, which is also a really

625
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 4: fascinating era of motorsports for Corvette, and then the introduction

626
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 4: of the Z R one in nineteen ninety and again

627
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 4: just consistently kicking everybody's butt all the way down the line, uh,

628
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 4: and then getting into nineteen ninety nine with the C

629
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 4: five R and it just keeps going the same direction.

630
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 4: They have to make new divisions for them because they're

631
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 4: too competitive or they're too good, and it just, you know,

632
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 4: it's a it's a fascinating story. It's I I specifically

633
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 4: like the the later generation to see five R to

634
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 4: SR that Corvette racing, the factory back Corvette racing. That

635
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 4: story is just fascinating because it was a family. You know,

636
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 4: you had Doug fie Han, you know who oversaw as

637
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 4: as for the entire group, and then these drivers they

638
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 4: kept coming back. Andy Pilgrim, Dale earnhard Dale Earner Junior

639
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 4: raced you know at Daytona at one point, and then

640
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 4: Oliver Gavin and you know all these all these great

641
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 4: race car drivers that that won these amazing races and

642
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 4: beat Ferrari and Lamborghini and Aston Martin. So it's a

643
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 4: it's a great story, and that's something that we're definitely

644
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 4: working on for an exhibition of a larger scale exhibition

645
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 4: here at the museum because the personalities involved are just

646
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 4: outrageous and so much fun, and it's gonna be great.

647
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: I think some of the some of the most eccentric,

648
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: wildest people I've met have been in car circles kind

649
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: of like what you're describing. I mean, there's so many stories,

650
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: especially in the history of American sports car racing. It's

651
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: just you're so right. I can't wait to see how

652
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: you guys tell that story, because there's already wild characters.

653
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 4: That's wild. I mean, right next door we have Andy

654
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 4: Pilgrim's doing oral history for us. You know, he drove

655
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 4: a Lamar with Dale Earnhard and I remember talking to

656
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 4: him being like Dale heard he's a guttural, visceral driver.

657
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 4: He's just going off as instincte. Andy Pilgrim is highly intelligent.

658
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 4: He was a computer software engineer, you know, so he's

659
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 4: looking at it two different ways. So yeah, there's a

660
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 4: lot of different personalities that we.

661
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 1: Can explore for sure, Robert, how closely does the museum

662
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: work with the actual automaker? Are you guys in close contact?

663
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 1: You mentioned a delivery program that you guys have. How

664
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: much back and forth is there?

665
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot. We have members of our board

666
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 4: that are part of GM from the plant as well

667
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 4: as Upham Michigan. We work with them constantly. They're very

668
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 4: supportive of the museum and you know, from our perspective,

669
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 4: it gives us something to shoot for as far as

670
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 4: the way that they operate. So we want to try

671
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 4: to keep in line with the brand, which is, you know,

672
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 4: unlike any other car main here in America. So if

673
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 4: we can have that as people walk into the museum

674
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 4: and that's what they expect, that we're doing a good job.

675
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 4: But yeah, they're they're a great partner for us.

676
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: Okay, So my next question, of course, is we need

677
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: some gossip. You know, what can you tell us about

678
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: the Corvette Zora. You know, is this happening? You know

679
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: maybe a Corvette SUV. Who knows the rumor mill is

680
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: rife with this this type of thing. What can you

681
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: tell us?

682
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we hear. We definitely hear all the rumors

683
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 4: for sure. That's a I feel like we're a meeting

684
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 4: place for that, I bet, you know, Like I said,

685
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 4: we're partners with GM, we work with them a lot,

686
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 4: but you know, we're not in Studio X designing the

687
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 4: C ten Corvette, you know. So it's it's a bit

688
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 4: of a as much of a surprise for us as

689
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 4: everybody else. You know, when these cars come out, Like

690
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 4: I said, they're always pushing the envelope. So I'm sure

691
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 4: whatever is coming next is going to be even better

692
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 4: than what was before.

693
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: So they have to have an suv coming soon, right,

694
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 2: I mean, is that aially announced?

695
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 4: I don't think there's nothing official, you know, And there's

696
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 4: going back to the whole you know thought of the

697
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 4: front engine versus mid engine, you know, or is this

698
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 4: is America's sports car, which is a two seater car,

699
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 4: and suddenly you get into SUVs and things like that.

700
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 2: But it could be a don't standalone brand easily, right

701
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: if Mustang can be.

702
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 3: A pony car.

703
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: But are we happy about that? Are we happy about

704
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: the Mustang SUI?

705
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: I am not terribly, but I know that it's a

706
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: good business idea to break out such a successful model

707
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: into a brand, right, I keep waiting for Corvette to

708
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 2: do that, and it seems like it's inevitable.

709
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, your guess is as good as mine, I'll say that.

710
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: Really, I don't think I guess it's quite as good

711
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: as yours, right Mark? Mark Royce never comes over to

712
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: my house, and I'll bet he's down there. Yeah, I

713
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: think I've read that it could be the SUV built

714
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 2: on the same platform as the CT five, the Cadillac.

715
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 3: Platform, which would be cool because you could have a

716
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 3: manual transmission.

717
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: Doesn't it kind of break your heart that the C

718
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 2: eight isn't offered in any way in a manual transmission.

719
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 4: It is a little bit. I mean, we have the

720
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 4: last manual Corvette in the Skytome, and it's it is

721
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 4: a little heartbreaking. I'm personally, I'm a big fan of what.

722
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: Is the last manual? What is the last manual Corvette?

723
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 4: It was a steam Ray C seven steam rangs in

724
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen and rolled out the line and came right

725
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 4: over here. But yeah, I you know, I know panel

726
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 4: shifting is a thing for some people, but there's something

727
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 4: about to take control over the clutch and the and

728
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 4: the stick that makes you feel like you're part of

729
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 4: the car. I don't know you're in control.

730
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this. I won't put you

731
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: on the spot, Robert, because I can tell you're a

732
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: very diplomatic and smart gentleman. But from the people who

733
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: not you, but the people who do come to the museum,

734
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: what is the feeling about a hybrid or even an

735
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: electric corvette? Obviously we know we're already in hybrid territory.

736
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: What are you hearing about opinions about whether a corvette

737
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: is real, if it's a hybrid or an electric.

738
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 4: I mean, that's a great question. I think that the

739
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 4: E Ray specifically really threw a lot of people for

740
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 4: a loop. They didn't understand what it was. We had

741
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 4: last April at our Bash, which is a big, you know,

742
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 4: convention of corvette owners. Tasjuginger came out and we had

743
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 4: Harley Charles and we had Peters, all these great corvette people.

744
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 4: But Tas got up and again somebody who's extremely intelligent

745
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 4: was able to explain, Hey, this the E Ray. You know,

746
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 4: the front motor, the electric motor, the battery and all

747
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 4: that stuff, it's not meant to be hybrid. You're not

748
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 4: getting better gas mileage. It's there for propulsion, it's there

749
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 4: to help forms of the car. So, you know, to

750
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 4: view it as a hybrid in the traditional sense of

751
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 4: the term, it's not completely accurate. Now when you're sitting

752
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 4: in it doing a launch, you can see why they

753
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 4: did it. I mean, you're going zero to sixty and

754
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 4: whatever it is. It's insane. You know, your your eyes

755
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 4: go at the.

756
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: Back of your skull so much grip.

757
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 4: Drive, Yeah, yeah, it's it's a little bit more kind

758
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 4: of utilitarian. Then you can drive it into snow and

759
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 4: you know, you can get those those especially snow tires

760
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 4: on it. I haven't done that, but that's what they say.

761
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: It'd be fun.

762
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 4: Fun would be fun. So yeah, I think it's just

763
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 4: at and people ask where you plug it in? Yeah,

764
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 4: of course, So it's just about education. And I think

765
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 4: once they understand, oh, I get it, this is a

766
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 4: high performance car. Yeah, really enjoyed.

767
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: So I think that totally makes sense. And you know,

768
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: we Matt and I talk about this with a lot

769
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: of luxury and sports cars that really the hybrid element,

770
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: like you say, is not about quote unquote going green

771
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: or saving gasoline. It's actually about performance. Yeah, and it

772
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 1: does noticeably enhance performance.

773
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: So what's to argue with in a way, Yeah, it's so,

774
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 2: I mean the acceleration is mind blowing and in a

775
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 2: much more visceral way than an all electric car, which

776
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 2: also which you know, may put even better numbers down,

777
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 2: But you just don't feel it the same way as

778
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: you do with the.

779
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 3: Six point two eight behind you.

780
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: It's I just think it's a it's such a cool offering.

781
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: So you have the right now with the C eight,

782
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: you have the sting ray, you have the z O six,

783
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 2: you have the E ray, and you have the z

784
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: L one right one, z R one Sorry, and then

785
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: Zora's next, is that right?

786
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 4: I have no idea?

787
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: Good that was a really good try. That was a

788
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: really good time, mat.

789
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 3: Robert, What do you have a favorite? Do you have

790
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 3: a favorite generation or a favorite addition?

791
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 4: That's a great that's a great question. I you know,

792
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 4: I love the look at the C two. I think

793
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 4: you know of the cars that we have on display now,

794
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 4: and this changes every day, so I ask me tomorrow

795
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 4: and it would be different. But we have an l

796
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 4: A D eight sixty nine black Home black convertible that

797
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 4: is just beautiful and that I mean, if I had

798
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 4: any car, I think that would be it, and especially

799
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 4: that's such a powerful car and a lot of history.

800
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 4: But but yeah, I mean you get into the big

801
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 4: blocks of the C two and uh, you know sixty

802
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 4: seven and and it's those are those are great cars.

803
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 4: And then you know the z R one, The ninety

804
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 4: z R one is also kind of nostalgic, you know.

805
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 4: For me, I'm an eighties kid, so I remember seeing those.

806
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 4: My uncle had one. You know, that's the coolest car ever.

807
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, again, it changes every day.

808
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: So can you can you pick a car from the

809
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 2: museum and take them home on the weekends or yeah,

810
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 2: we have a fleet, so.

811
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 4: We have an education kind of a fleet of cars,

812
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 4: a C three through a C eight, and then we

813
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 4: use those for trips we go on you know, education outreach,

814
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 4: we go to schools and and that kind of thing.

815
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 4: The collections cars, no, no, those are those are highly

816
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 4: protected by our Collections team and cared for so they

817
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 4: are all in working order, are objective. We wanted to

818
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 4: be alive and sitting there rotting, so they're maintained on

819
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 4: a regular schedule and driven periodically just to keep things moving.

820
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: You know what's really weird. And I just remember this,

821
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 1: and Robert, you reminded me when you said, like everyone's

822
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: uncle had a Corvette. I had the pink Barbie Corvette

823
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: when I was growing up cool and that might have

824
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: act and I don't think about it, but that might

825
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 1: have had a real subconscious influence on me because I

826
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: ended up owning a Corvette. And you're kind of right.

827
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: They just kind of pervade culture in a way. Especially

828
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: I was born in the eighties too. That is so funny.

829
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: I just thought of that.

830
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 3: But that she's born in the eighties is it for

831
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 3: somebody in my generation?

832
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, I love that Corvette.

833
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 4: The pop culture thing, it's like totally I came from

834
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 4: and I was a Disney Archive for almost ten years.

835
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 4: You look at a brand like Dad, who has also

836
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 4: entered the culture, American culture. There's a few brands that

837
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 4: have done it, but Corvette is definitely one of them.

838
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 4: I think that's something you grow up with.

839
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: Do you think he agreed with you or me about

840
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: the supercar thing.

841
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 3: It felt like he.

842
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: Didn't really have a strong opinion one way or the other.

843
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 2: And I should have asked if he'd been a Corvette

844
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 2: fan from birth or if this was one, we should

845
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: have asked that too, But I think so. He used

846
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 2: to work for Disney and then he ran like the

847
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: San Diego Historical Society or something. So it's like, you know,

848
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 2: his job isn't as an automotive engineer, and he's not

849
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: in actually a fanboy.

850
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 3: It's about the archives and the museum.

851
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: Stuff, which is cool, actually, no, totally awesome, and I'm

852
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: psyched for the Corvette Museum that they got him. I

853
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: think he was a big get for them. But it

854
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 2: didn't seem like he had a passionate opinion on the

855
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 2: supercar argument, which obviously you and I both have strong

856
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 2: takes on that we are not letting touch it again.

857
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: I am clenching. I'm definitely I will die on this hill, Hannah. Look,

858
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: this will be my final comment for today, well at

859
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: least for the next five minutes. Just because something performs

860
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: like a supercar doesn't make it a supercar, man.

861
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 2: I don't. I think if it performs like a supercar

862
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 2: and if it looks like a supercar, it has to

863
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 2: be a supercar.

864
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: Maybe people should ride in and let us know what

865
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: they think. Obviously we've brought this up before, but yes,

866
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: it seems to be an ongoing debate.

867
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 2: The email address is hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net.

868
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

869
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: I mean the other thing is I think there's a

870
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: real split from Corvette or a couple right the first

871
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: as far as I understand that, at least the first two,

872
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: possibly the first three generations, we're body on frame. Then

873
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: it seemed like they didn't get super serious about it

874
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: kind of C six, But really C seven was when

875
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 2: they were like, you know what, we're investing a lot

876
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: of money to make this a really serious car course

877
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: overcoming manufacturing and quality issues, and that's.

878
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 1: A pretty recent development in the history of the car.

879
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: Like that's kind of where I'm like, yes, they made

880
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: they made some that are very fast, supercar like performers,

881
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 1: but like in the in the history of that model line,

882
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 1: that's pretty recent.

883
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, And well, he mentions Tad Tad Juchtter, who I

884
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: think really along with Mary Bara and Mark Royce, you know,

885
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 2: they decided this is going to be We're really going

886
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: to put our money where our mouths are, Yeah.

887
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: Which I love. I totally respect that, And I do

888
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: think the Corvette in general is criminally under respected, like

889
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: nobody respects the VET and every time I drive mine,

890
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, why aren't more people looking at me, honking

891
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: at me, giving me thumbs up? I'm like, what do

892
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: I have to do to get attention around here? I mean,

893
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: such a cool car, don't they really don't. It's weird.

894
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: I told someone that and he's like, well, you need

895
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: to take the tea tops off, more like you need

896
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: to get your hair out. Like it's such a good,

897
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: fun like icon of American auto manufacturing, and I feel.

898
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: Like it is not respect I feel like though, adding that,

899
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to overstep any hr allignes,

900
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: but like atomic blonde with sure bright lipstick, you know,

901
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: driving the Corvette, what do I have to do?

902
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 3: I feel like that is definitely at least a thumbs up.

903
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: I get nothing. I'm telling you, I get more in

904
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: that old huge Rolls Royce cruising at fifteen miles an

905
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: hour than I.

906
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 4: Do in the car.

907
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 2: And by the way, do you think you must think

908
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: that it's the C three is going to jump in value?

909
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: Right? Honestly made so many of them, though, but there

910
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: it's been a while. I'm telling you from experience, you

911
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: can go out to the Pomona swap me and pick

912
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: one up for fifteen dollars. You can go to Corvette

913
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: Mics and pick one up for twenty thousand bucks. They're

914
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: kind of at least in it. I do believe LA

915
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: is a bubble, but they're kind of everywhere. They're so prominent,

916
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: and most of them were not really cared for. So

917
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: many of them are ropey and rough that I don't

918
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: I honestly, I wish they would jump in value. But

919
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: unless you have one that is really truly in mint

920
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: condition chrome bumper early in the generation, I don't necessarily

921
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: think it's gonna.

922
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 3: Be But if you have a Cherry Seed.

923
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: Three manual, of course it has to be like mine.

924
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to gain much, but I

925
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: drive it because I love it.

926
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 2: That's the right way to do it. Yeah, well, I

927
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: absolutely uh. I love the story and too. Starting with

928
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 2: the you know, C six was the first one that

929
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 2: I drove really and I thought it was brutal and

930
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: so much fun and you could ease kick out the

931
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 2: rear end, but maybe a little dangerous, you know, from

932
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 2: my experience at the time, it definitely was. Then I

933
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 2: went through the whole C seven covering GM very closely

934
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 2: and interviewing Mary Barr a lot, and you know, it

935
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: was a baby for her and for Mark, and so

936
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: I felt really connected to that car. And I drove

937
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: it on a lot, drove it on the track a lot,

938
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 2: and I thought it was so cool, but still totally

939
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 2: a Corvette. And then when C eight came out, I

940
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: thought at the time, like, that's not cool as a

941
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: as maybe a bit of a purist. I thought, that's

942
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,479
Speaker 2: not okay to put the engine in the back. And yeah,

943
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 2: but now that I've driven it, I am one over surely,

944
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 2: and I it's definitely on a very short list of

945
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 2: cars that I want to buy personally in the next

946
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 2: couple of years.

947
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 3: It's on there, like right next to the CT five

948
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 3: Black Wing.

949
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: I think the C eight might be the center of

950
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: r Vin diagram in terms of the cars that we

951
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: each would personally own, because there are lots of cars

952
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: that you want to own that I don't need, and

953
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: vice versa. But the C eight seems like for both

954
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: of us falls in the middle, and I totally agree.

955
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: I would one hundred percent buy that car for myself

956
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: if I had the money, which I don't, but you know,

957
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: I totally agree. It's so much car for the money,

958
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: and it's really fun and it's so sexy.

959
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I'm a drug runner, you know,

960
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 2: from the nineteen eighties when I'm driving it the convertible

961
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 2: at night, you know, and the interior just fits like

962
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: a glove and I don't know, it just it's the

963
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 2: only problem I have with it is that there's no

964
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: three pedal version, and that kind of bothers me because,

965
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: like I say, the CT five V black Wing is

966
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 2: also on that very short list because it checks every

967
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: box except for the sexy. It's like a terribly unattractive vehicle,

968
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 2: but it has a super charged V a stick shift,

969
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 2: and it handles like it's on rails. Like I just

970
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 2: wish they would marry those two things and give me

971
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 2: a three pedal Corvette.

972
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 3: Not gonna happen, I know.

973
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 2: Well, I got my I got a list from one

974
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 2: of my buddies who runs a press fleet management company.

975
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 2: He gave me a list of potential cars to drive

976
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 2: in the next few months, and a plane Jane Stingray

977
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 2: was on there, which I've never driven because I've been

978
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 2: in the Z six and the E Ray, but I've

979
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 2: never driven just the base Stingray and I really want

980
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 2: to drive it because I want to spend as little

981
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 2: money as possible and get as much as I can

982
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 2: like everybody else. So I think that could be could

983
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 2: be the answer, and I'm excited.

984
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 3: There's also hear some.

985
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 2: Other cool trucks that I got on that list. There's

986
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 2: the Ram, you know, in their new sort of no

987
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: more Va. They have the Hurricane in line six in

988
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: their what like what would be a t t r X.

989
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 3: I'm gonna drive that one. I'm pretty excited about that.

990
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 3: What about you?

991
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: What do you?

992
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 3: What do you got? Well?

993
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: I I think I mentioned I'm getting a Vanquish h

994
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: Yes next week and some more Mercedes I'm going I'm

995
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: gonna be driving. I don't think I told you the

996
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: Escalade IQ weet Escalaid in February in La So and

997
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 1: the Optic so I'm very excited and curious about those.

998
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: I'm an Escalade fan.

999
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 3: It's gonna be amazing, I hope, I hope.

1000
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: So it's going to weigh so much. I'm scared about

1001
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: how the weight.

1002
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 2: I like.

1003
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: I saw it a pre last year. We saw like

1004
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: an early prototype. I didn't drive it, but I saw

1005
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: it here in LA and it's looks very cool, very Escalaid,

1006
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,479
Speaker 1: very Cadillac, but it's so so big. I'm a little

1007
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: worried about the weight, but I can't wait to find

1008
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: out for myself. So that's Those are the kind of

1009
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: the things the car wise, I just got off the

1010
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 1: phone this morning with Rolls Royce. They were announcing their numbers.

1011
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 1: Did you talk with Chris brown Ridge.

1012
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 3: I will have spoken with him by the time this

1013
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 3: podcast comes out.

1014
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 1: So that's not embargoed. Right, we can talk about Rolls Royce.

1015
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 2: Yes, right, he's coming on well, so we're recording this

1016
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 2: on Tuesday. He's coming on my TV show on Wednesday,

1017
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 2: and then we're putting.

1018
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 4: This out on Friday.

1019
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: So you want to talk about Rolls Royce numbers.

1020
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, I mean, I mean go.

1021
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: It seemed like, well basically just I literally just got

1022
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: off the call. It seemed like the top note is

1023
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: they were down slightly. This is their third highest year

1024
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 1: on record for sales. They delivered fifty seven hundred cars globally.

1025
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: They don't seem that concerned. I mean, they're spinning it

1026
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 1: like their in their margins are increasing. They had a

1027
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: ten percent increase in bespoke cars last year, so while

1028
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: their volume is down slightly, the profits on their cars

1029
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: is probably up. And then they've said that they're going

1030
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: to spend three hundred and seventy million dollars on expanding goodwood,

1031
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: mostly so that they can have more space to build

1032
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: these really expensive bespoke commissions. So again they're not going

1033
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: to expand their volume, but they're investing more in creating

1034
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: space to make these like multimillion dollar cars.

1035
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 2: And that's the direction, that's clearly the direction that the

1036
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 2: luxury vehicle manufacturers are all going. Right. None of them

1037
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 2: are hidden sort of record deliveries except for Lambeau and uh,

1038
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 2: they're all trying to do a lot more personalization, a

1039
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 2: lot more paint to sample a lot more like beyond

1040
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 2: paint to sample right total like like you.

1041
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,439
Speaker 1: Know, beyond paint, it would be like creating some sort

1042
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: of silk painted headliner that is a portrait of somebody's dog,

1043
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: like in the top of the car, or like it,

1044
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: you know, Cigar, a human err and I made out

1045
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,439
Speaker 1: of wood from your property in France that you've cut

1046
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: down and sent to the factory so that they can

1047
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: use your elm trees in your own person. I mean,

1048
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: it's like really crazy stuff. The other thing that was

1049
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 1: really surprising to me as I went into the call

1050
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: really wanting to ask about Specter, which is there? Yeah, right,

1051
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: because like I drove it in Cape Town it was awesome.

1052
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: We kind of haven't heard a lot about it, and obviously,

1053
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: as we know, evs are in a in a roller

1054
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: coaster right now. They wouldn't tell me how many Specters

1055
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: they they delivered last year, but they did say that

1056
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: it was the second most delivered vehicle from Rolls Royce

1057
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: behind colanin Ohl is the top col Um No, it

1058
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: went Colon in Specter Ghost Phantom. Isn't that wild?

1059
00:56:58,280 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 3: That's crazy?

1060
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 4: I know.

1061
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: I was very surprised.

1062
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 2: Somebody here at seven thirty one Lex has a culin

1063
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 2: in not not at Bloomberg. Not at Bloomberg, Okay, as

1064
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 2: somebody who lives in the building in like the Penhouse.

1065
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 3: I'm sure no.

1066
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: Beyonce used to live in the Penthouse, right, and.

1067
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 2: A bunch of Yankees like Johnny Damon, I've had places here.

1068
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 2: Peter TiAl had an apartment here, like very wealthy people.

1069
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: I still really like Johnny Damon. He was like my

1070
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: favorite player.

1071
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 2: There are people who could have one, but still I

1072
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 2: only see one here in the in the courtyard and

1073
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 2: one in the garage across street. I just don't see

1074
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 2: him very often. But to be fair, in New York,

1075
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 2: you don't really see Rolls Royces that often.

1076
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 3: I'm sure.

1077
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: Do you think that's because of image? Like like you

1078
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: just feel like a bit of a too, like A

1079
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: I don't jerk think so.

1080
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 3: I think A.

1081
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 2: It's New York, so not as many people are driving

1082
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 2: status symbols as LA or London b You're guaranteed to

1083
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 2: get bum keyed, you know. Fender benders are highly likely,

1084
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 2: and the New England weather isn't great for you know, rust.

1085
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 2: And I'm sure that a lot of New Yorkers have

1086
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 2: Rolls Royces and keep them in Palm Beach, you know,

1087
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 2: that would make sense.

1088
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Speaker 3: But they just aren't for the city.

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Speaker 2: In the city, you just get if you have a driver, right,

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Speaker 2: you just get like a Yukon or escalating that.

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Speaker 1: New York fantasy.

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Speaker 2: All right, cool, Well that's all we got for this week.

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Speaker 2: But we look forward to hearing No, wait, we look

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Speaker 2: forward to you hearing us.

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Speaker 1: We look forward to you hearing us next week. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: something it feels like a conversation between us and the listeners.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so I guess that's it. I'm Matt Miller,

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Speaker 3: I'm

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Speaker 1: Hannah Elliott, and this is Bloomberg.