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Speaker 1: Here we go. It is a fride day. What a

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Speaker 1: weekend plan? Patriots, Broncos, Rams, Seahawk redefining careers live in Chicago. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a little frigid. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be,

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Speaker 1: however you may be watching or listening. Thanks for making

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Speaker 1: us part of your day. I don't know if everybody

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Speaker 1: quite realizes how big a weekend it is for Matt Stafford.

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Speaker 1: Let me read you a stat real quick history of

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Speaker 1: the NFL history one quarterback ever. This was in Week

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Speaker 1: sixteen against Seattle. Four hundred passing yards, three touchdown passes,

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Speaker 1: no picks against the team that finished with the NFL's

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Speaker 1: number one scoring defense. That was Stafford Week sixteen. Never

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Speaker 1: been done. And I've said, if he wins another Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: I will put him one spot ahead of Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: All time, and that sounds kooky. I think Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: eleventh or twelfth best quarterback ever. I would insert Stafford

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Speaker 1: one spot ahead. There are no great movies with choppy endings.

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Speaker 1: Go look at the last five years between the two.

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Speaker 1: Stafford has been on a heater seven to two in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, multiple Pro Bowls, probably wins the MVP, more

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Speaker 1: touchdowns than Aaron, higher passer rating, easily the better quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But bigger than any stat is this Aaron in his

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Speaker 1: prime in well run Green Bay only had one great

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Speaker 1: playoff run. One in his prime, he was one in

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Speaker 1: foreign conference championships. Stafford late prime to out of his

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Speaker 1: prime in just five years is on his second. There's

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Speaker 1: no other way to put it. Stafford was born into

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Speaker 1: a dysfunctional family in Detroit. The minute he was adopted

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Speaker 1: by the La Rams, he has been significantly the better quarterback.

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Speaker 1: All he needed was grown ups in the building. Add

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Speaker 1: this too, which feels very lway Brady and mahomes Matt Stafford.

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Speaker 1: Of his seven career playoff wins, five he's had game

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Speaker 1: winning drives in a very short period of time. How

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Speaker 1: many would he had if he had twelve good years

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Speaker 1: Aaron in that huge window in Green Bay, didn't even

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Speaker 1: have three, only had two game winning drives. Or what

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Speaker 1: define Lay and Mahomes not just the trophies and Stafford.

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Speaker 1: This is another thing. His passer rating, his completion percentage,

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Speaker 1: his yards per game, his touchdown to interception ratio go

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Speaker 1: up in the playoffs again, very Mahomes and Brady, Aaron's

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Speaker 1: actually go down. So Stafford in the biggest games against

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Speaker 1: the best competition, is actually better. Aaron is slightly worse.

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Speaker 1: That's something. This is what you got during the Lway

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Speaker 1: Marino debates. For a long time people said, oh Marino,

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Speaker 1: that release because Marino, like Aaron, was prettier. The esthetic

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Speaker 1: was more jarring and amazing. But in the end that

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Speaker 1: You're getting that Aaron's always been the prettier quarterback. The

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Speaker 1: way he throws, connection to Hollywood kind of cool. Just

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Speaker 1: listen to how thinking of Aaron and Stafford. Just listen

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Speaker 1: to how McVeigh describes matt Stafford. This is instructive.

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Speaker 3: I think any great leader that I've ever been around,

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Speaker 3: There's extreme ownership and there's accountability. That's what guys love

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Speaker 3: about Matthew. I mean, you'll never see a guy when

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Speaker 3: you look at the way Matthew handles himself that you know,

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Speaker 3: isn't an excuse maker. You know, I've heard it said before.

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Speaker 3: I think excuses are tools, are the incompetant, and and

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Speaker 3: Matthew is the furthest thing from that. He's got great ownership.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's why people want to follow him,

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Speaker 3: in the moments that we can be better, he owns

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Speaker 3: it and now we can move on. And he's a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, dozen points fingers takes ownership, always accountable. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: put Stafford with a Super Bowl one slought ahead Air,

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Speaker 1: that's how big of a weekend it is for Matt Stafford.

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll I thought would stabilize the Raiders. That was

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Speaker 1: Brian Dabele is. I don't know the best part about him.

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Speaker 1: It's an offensive league and he's an offensive coach. And

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Speaker 1: So very few of these coaches, all these interviews are

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Speaker 1: blue chip stocks. That's John Harbaugh that will work with

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Speaker 1: John Sean Pate blue chip stocks. The rest of them,

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Speaker 1: including Brian Dable, who I like. It's like venture capitalism.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of promise, there's a lot of hope.

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Speaker 1: You need restructuring a new leadership. But it should be

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Speaker 1: noted all those smart people with all that money venture capitalists,

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Speaker 1: their hit rate is twenty percent, and the hit rate

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Speaker 1: hit rate is closer to twenty percent than seventy five percent.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what he's going to be. I know

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Speaker 1: what he's inheriting, new stadium, stable ownership, better revenue going forward,

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Speaker 4: The ultimate Buffalo guy. He grew up in Buffalo. He

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Speaker 4: significant amount to help develop him from our fairly raw

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Tom Brady, one hour from now, I do feel

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Speaker 1: in the AFC the ten best players in the Seahawks Rams.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not kidding you. You get to like nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen.

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Speaker 1: It's like guys who could make Pro Bowls. There is

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Speaker 1: the winner of the NFC wins the Super Bowl, regardless

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Speaker 1: to be one for the ages, completely stacked defenses. I

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Speaker 1: the league. The offensive line would be the weakness. Defensively,

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Speaker 1: wide receivers, tight ends, backs, quarterbacks, coaches, McVeigh, coaches, Mike

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Speaker 1: McDonald's the DC. I mean it is. You just do

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Speaker 1: not get this level of talent going up against each

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Speaker 1: But I do think in the Rams Seahawks, we would

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Speaker 1: I think it feels like there's urgency with the Rams

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Speaker 1: I would say this may be the best Rams team

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Speaker 5: and his agent specifically. But I will say Seattle amazing team.

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Speaker 5: They've been outstanding all season. Colin, you know, things kind

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Speaker 5: That's a huge swing. The forty nine ers entire roster decimated,

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Speaker 6: Way for Seattle.

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Speaker 5: I don't know you if you think Sam Darnold's in

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Speaker 6: Then then sure they're going to be sticking around for

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Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys are hiring a new defensive coordinator, thirty

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Speaker 1: four year old Christian Parker, Philadelphia's passing game coordinator and

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Speaker 1: defensive back coach. If you had told the Cowboy fans, hey, tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna announce they're hiring their defensive coordinator from the Eagles,

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Speaker 1: you'd be like, damn Vic Fangio and No. He was

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Speaker 1: a passing game coordinator and a DV coach. If you

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Speaker 1: see it coming. Josh McDaniels, New England stacking trophies, been

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Speaker 1: great forever as a coordinator. It was gonna work. Vic

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Speaker 1: Fangio and Philadelphia last ten years. Probably been arguable top

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Speaker 1: defensive cord both years in Philly, top five defenses. Robert

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Speaker 1: You know, Matt Eberflus kind of a disaster in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: And there's an argument that he's never really respected coaching.

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Speaker 1: So and Dallas really needs coaching because they're thirty million

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Speaker 1: They have two first round picks. I'd be shocked at

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Speaker 8: My goal in life is to retire as the owner

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Speaker 1: We've got three.

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Speaker 8: How many more would I have to go as a

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Speaker 8: I've got work to do, got work to do. I

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Speaker 1: There isn't a way to do it. It's called Sean Payton,

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Speaker 1: about the titles. Folks, we all know the keyness sport

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Speaker 8: No, no, no, this is the headline news.

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Speaker 5: So the Baltimore Ravens made a move yesterday signing Jesse

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Speaker 6: His numbers big higher for the Ravens. I applauded, but

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Speaker 5: This is wonderful, but I need to see who they

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Speaker 1: This feels a little bit like Ben Johnson, except on defense,

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Speaker 1: where he's been the hot coordinator in this cycle. People

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Speaker 1: his contract. I think he'll be a good higher My

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the front four was mediocre at best. They had

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Speaker 6: Having an elite quarterback. I don't think this team's.

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Speaker 1: I like their talent. I didn't think they had a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, let's.

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Speaker 5: Move on to Sean Payton, the Denver Broncos coach, getting

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Speaker 5: ready to cook up some good stuff for Jarrett Stidham

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Speaker 5: in the AFC Championship game. But interestingly, he had a

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Speaker 1: You've had a message to fans every single week about nooys.

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Speaker 1: Do you have you have a message for them this week?

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Speaker 7: With being the final game?

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Speaker 10: Well, they're gonna have plenty of rest after this one.

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Speaker 3: Two weeks, Not that you guys think any extra motivation,

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Speaker 3: but did you see the Shaun King quote insinuating that

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Speaker 1: For the Super BOWLS nine?

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Speaker 6: And I was two weeks for the rest of Lucia

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Speaker 6: and I seen that. Man, if you guys will the

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Speaker 1: So the media is so funny. Do you hear what

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Speaker 1: your reaction to what Sean said? It's like tattling when

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Speaker 1: you were kids, Bob said. Jimmy said, It's like, guys,

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Speaker 1: it's just it doesn't matter. After the first play, nobody cares.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is.

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Speaker 6: Media working overtime to make this game interesting.

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Speaker 1: But instead, I mean, I think with bow knicks it

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Speaker 5: I mean, like he is a telligenic guy. We know

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Speaker 6: I mean, Colin. I don't know which network.

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Speaker 5: Has the Super Bowl, but you know they're praying for

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Speaker 5: Drake mayn the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: Like I actually think Drake may and the Patriots in

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Speaker 1: I think they Afford is again, just from a TV standpoint,

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Speaker 1: Stafford literally climbing in the all time rankings is really

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Speaker 1: a cool story. I'm dead Seriously, I don't think people

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Speaker 1: realize a Super Bowl win for staff even in appearance,

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Speaker 1: the one player in all these games who can literally

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Speaker 1: change his legacy is Matt Stafford. I mean, it's really

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Speaker 1: he's the one. I Drake May Obviously it'll be the

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Speaker 1: it'll be like, wow, this kid is the next Blank,

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Speaker 1: But I mean change your legacy from man, that guy's

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Speaker 1: gonna get some Hall of Fame votes. He may get

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Speaker 1: into Oh my god, he's a top twelve quarterback. Ever,

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Speaker 1: I think it's Matt Stafford's it.

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Speaker 5: All right, Let's go to the final story, and that's

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Speaker 5: the Los Angeles Lakers tough one last night against the

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Speaker 5: paper Clips. They storm back from down like twenty one.

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Speaker 5: They cut it to two, ended up losing. After the game,

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Speaker 5: JJ Reddick said the team didn't trust each other on

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Speaker 5: the offensive end of the floor. Lebron was then asked,

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Speaker 5: hey man, what about this big story at ESPN about

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Speaker 5: Jennie Buss not being happy that you weren't kissing the

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Speaker 6: All that nonsense. Here's Lebron.

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Speaker 10: I thought it was good, But you know, Mike, I

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Speaker 10: see it in another way. So it's always it's always

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Speaker 10: two sides.

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Speaker 6: Of the coin.

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Speaker 1: So we never talked.

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Speaker 10: I don't understand, Like, it's not like me and Jeanie

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Speaker 10: be on the phone. Guys, I never heard of report

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Speaker 10: about Dad on an don't make something out of it

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Speaker 10: that is not As a pug, you know, it's always

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Speaker 10: been mutual. It has always been respect, has always been

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Speaker 8: Come on, guys, don't don't.

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Speaker 10: Don't make this morning what it is.

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Speaker 1: I don't care. I think this is a I think

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Speaker 1: this is a great answer by Lebron. I think And

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Speaker 1: if anybody else noticed this, I'm sure you have. But

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Speaker 1: Lebron's gotten to a point that he's not He doesn't

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Speaker 1: get defensive about this stuff. He's got nothing to prove.

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Speaker 1: His legacy has set, his networth has doubled since he's

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Speaker 1: been in LA that's a great answer, Like, guys, I don't,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not on the phone with the owner.

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Speaker 1: That people can write what they write. There's a story

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Speaker 1: about me every day. He's in a very good spot.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Lebron's nine years ago answers like that.

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Speaker 1: It feels like to me, Lebron is coming to the

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Speaker 1: And by the way, you can say pride is vanity,

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Speaker 1: whatever it is. Everybody that's a successful man or woman,

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Speaker 1: you know they have pride in their work. It sounds

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Speaker 1: like to me, Lebron he doesn't really care. Is that

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Speaker 1: it's over and that's not saying he's retiring. I would

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Speaker 1: guess at seventy five twenty five, does he want to

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Speaker 1: limp to the finish line be humiliated in a trade

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Speaker 1: that his answers are he's had so many opportunities over

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Speaker 1: the last six months that he could take shots here.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't. If you noticed his answers, they're all like, grateful,

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Speaker 1: been it's been wonderful. We've had a great relationship. He

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Speaker 1: has pulled the plane onto the tarmac. He's ready for

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Speaker 6: I want to remind you, so I was.

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Speaker 5: In the DC area when Michael Jordan came back to

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Speaker 5: the Wizards. Colin it was open season on Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 5: The Wizards were a dumpster fire. The media crucified him,

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Speaker 5: The Washington Post him, the players didn't like him. The

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Speaker 5: Washington Post had a writer specifically following him around, and.

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Speaker 6: It was brutal the way he treated Quame Brown.

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Speaker 5: I'm just telling you, at the end of these guys careers,

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Speaker 5: if you're not on top, the media is coming for you,

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Speaker 5: because as you you've been in this long enough, you

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Speaker 5: know the ink stain wretches love to build you up

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Speaker 5: and then tear you down. And I'm telling you, but

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Speaker 5: the vibes in this story, that Lebron stuff had nothing

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Speaker 5: to do with.

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Speaker 6: The Genie Bus family story.

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Speaker 5: It was just wedged in like four paragraphs in like

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Speaker 5: a ten thousand word piece, and all the headlines are

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Speaker 5: about Genie Bus versus Lebron. I'm telling you, Lebron, They're

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Speaker 5: coming for you. I don't like it personally, but I've

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Speaker 5: seen this game before. It's it's not a fun one.

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Speaker 1: I agree J Mack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: I saw this headline this morning. Indiana's Fernando Mendoza likely

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Speaker 1: number one pick entering the NFL Draft. It's not likely

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Speaker 1: he will be. We are ninety days, three months out

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Speaker 1: from the draft as of today, he's going to be

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Speaker 1: the number one pick and people are going to pick

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Speaker 1: him apart they believe it or not. Did it with

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Speaker 1: Andrew Lucke, they did it with Caleb Williams. I don't

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Speaker 1: like his fingernail polish. He's too emotional. Here's what we

462
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Speaker 1: know doesn't work long term in the NFL. Small quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: they age very quickly. Cocky quarterbacks Johnny manziel inexperienced guys

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Speaker 1: that just don't get a lot of college starts. Anthony

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Speaker 1: Richards and Trey Lance. Here's three things that almost olways work. Humble,

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Speaker 1: grateful personalities, a lot of Brady and Manning. Big body

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Speaker 1: that can take hits, that can move a little. He's

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Speaker 1: six five to twenty five and really really accurate, especially

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Speaker 1: in big games and in big spots. In the playoff

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Speaker 1: this year he was three to zero, completed seventy five

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Speaker 1: percent of his throws, nine touchdowns, no picks. Go to

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Speaker 1: the Penn State, second half, go to the Ohio State,

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Speaker 1: go to Miami. He's great in the biggest spots. So

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Speaker 1: he is the definition of a franchise quarterback. Big, accurate, clutch, humble,

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Speaker 1: four for four and not just four for four, all

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Speaker 1: of them A pluses. That does not guarantee Super bowls,

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Speaker 1: It does not guarantee multiple conference championship appearances. It does

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Speaker 1: guarantee if you get a competent coach, not even a

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Speaker 1: great one, you're gonna win a bunch of games. Fernando

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Speaker 1: Mendoza has none of the roadblocks. He's not small, he

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Speaker 1: doesn't lack experience, and he is not hockey. Those are

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Speaker 1: the three killers. And he's got the three and four things. Big, accurate, tough, humble, grateful.

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Speaker 1: Those worked everywhere in every business. So he's gonna win

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Speaker 1: a bunch of games. If he doesn't even need a

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Speaker 1: great coach. He needs a good competent coach. If you're

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Speaker 1: good and competent, I mean dan Quinn mostly good. He's competent,

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Speaker 1: not great, not all time stuff don't need and you

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Speaker 1: reid if he gets if he gets an elite, top

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Speaker 1: four or five coach, I think that that's when you're

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Speaker 1: gonna see conference championships and a Super Bowl appearance. No

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Speaker 1: guarantee wins them. I mean again, Stafford and McVeigh have won.

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Speaker 1: It's hard, but here was this week. Here he was

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Speaker 1: Mendo's on Good Morning America talking about, you know, the

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Speaker 1: potential to be the number one pick.

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Speaker 11: I'd be so grateful and I could only do this

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Speaker 11: with the glory of God, and it just it would

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Speaker 11: be a dream come true from a two star crew.

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Speaker 11: I was the reason I had this whole entire LinkedIn

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Speaker 11: persona was, Hey, I'm probably not gonna make the NFL,

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Speaker 11: so let me double down on my networking, on my connections,

501
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Speaker 11: and let me get a little head in the corporate lifestyle.

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Speaker 11: So when I graduate college, I have a foot up.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I'm gonna have Tom Brady on in

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Speaker 1: about thirty minutes from now, forty minutes from now. He

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Speaker 1: was at that game, and I'm gonna ask him, you know,

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Speaker 1: his interpretation of what he saw with Fernando Mendoza. Joel

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Speaker 1: Klatt earlier this week on Mendoza winning the title.

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Speaker 12: There are two types of quarterbacks, and there are quarterbacks

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Speaker 12: that rise to the occasion when their best is needed,

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Speaker 12: and there are guys that shrink. And Mendoza rose to

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Speaker 12: the occasion when his best was needed.

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Speaker 1: He was at his best.

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Speaker 12: That's why he won the Heisman, and that's why he's

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Speaker 12: a national champ.

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Speaker 1: Totally agree, He's gonna win a lot of games if

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Speaker 1: he just gets good to competent head coach. All right,

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Speaker 1: J Mack around the corner, I have a theory on something.

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Speaker 1: The ratings have been great in the NFL this year,

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Speaker 1: despite no Ma Holmes, no Omar Jackson, no Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen's out and the ratings have been stupendous. Allan,

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Speaker 1: of course just out Seattle Rams is gonna get a

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Speaker 1: big boy number. And why with so many unbelievable stars

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Speaker 1: in the NBA, it doesn't feel the same. There is

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Speaker 1: a difference between the sport and you're seeing it now.

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Speaker 1: I've got that thought and the ten best players in

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Speaker 1: Seattle Rams and we could have gone sixteen to seventeen

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Speaker 1: and had borderline pro bowlers.

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Speaker 5: Seattle will be electric on Sunday with a trip to

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Speaker 5: the Super Bowl on the line, Matthew Stafford and the

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Speaker 1: Forbes magazine, I'm sure you've heard of it, kind of

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Speaker 1: did a study on successful people, men and women, and

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Speaker 1: the three things that they said. The three traits that

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Speaker 1: successful people had. Number One, they do not care what

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Speaker 1: other people think of them. Criticism is irrelevant. They have

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Speaker 1: their own journey. They know what they want to do.

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Speaker 1: They just don't care about criticism. They just don't care. Second,

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Speaker 1: and I boy, this one is my mantra in life.

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Speaker 1: They're not obsessed with being right. They're obsessed with getting

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Speaker 1: it right. The Internet is losers everywhere telling you how

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Speaker 1: much they know about geopolitics. They want to prove how

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Speaker 1: right they are. Successful people don't worry about that. They

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Speaker 1: want to get it right about being right on the Internet.

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Speaker 1: And the third thing is pleasing everybody because it's impossible.

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Speaker 1: There are the Pope has critics like you can't please everybody.

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Speaker 1: And when I spent a year hanging out with Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton and he would come by the studio at Fox,

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Speaker 1: he embodied all three of these and it rubs a

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Speaker 1: lot of people the wrong way. Sean Peyton does not

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Speaker 1: care what you think. Sean Peyton wants to get it right.

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Speaker 1: We talked about that all the time, and he's not

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Speaker 1: a people pleaser. It just doesn't matter, and I think

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Speaker 1: it rubs a lot of people the wrong way. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, the guy is just unbelievable. And I remember

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Speaker 1: when he was at Fox. I was like, he's not

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Speaker 1: doing TV thing. He's got too much going on. You

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Speaker 1: go to dinner once with Sean, have a couple of

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Speaker 1: coffees with him, a fifteen minute conversation. He needs a coach.

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Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel clearly has respect, kind of tells you as

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Speaker 1: he faces him this weekend what he's all about.

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Speaker 13: Very successful football coach, tough to defend for, you know,

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Speaker 13: tough to defend against. I think he does a great

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Speaker 13: job with his personnel and his scheme. I think he's

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Speaker 13: had his core concepts as he's had for a lot

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Speaker 13: of years, and then he's just continued to add onto that,

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Speaker 13: you know, as some of the game has changed and

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Speaker 13: some of the ideas and the schemes have evolved, and

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Speaker 13: so I think that that's.

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Speaker 10: Pretty unique.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I listen, if you can get to a super

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Speaker 1: Bowl and beat because his defense wasn't very good against

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Speaker 1: Buffalo and the defense the Denver defense is in. It

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Speaker 1: gets a lot of sacks. I don't think it's in

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Speaker 1: the class of the Seahawks or Houston, but it gets

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Speaker 1: a lot of sacks. Nick Benito, Zach Allen, That's a

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Speaker 1: big part of that. But I don't think it's a

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Speaker 1: great defense. So if you can get to a Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl without what I consider a great defense, Houston's got

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Speaker 1: a great defense, Seattle a great defense, Rams defense creates turnovers.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Denver's in that class. I think if

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Speaker 1: you take out Nick Benito, it doesn't even feel the

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Speaker 1: same as it is now and you can get to

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Speaker 1: a super Bowl with Jared Stidham. Now, I will say this,

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Speaker 1: I do think they're high end players are very very good.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday I gave the top ten players in this matchup.

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Speaker 1: I think Denver's top end players, Patrick Sartain, Nick Benito

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Speaker 1: are just unbelievable Quinn Miners on the offensive line, Garrett Bowls.

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Speaker 1: Denver's got the better on line, no question. But I

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Speaker 1: think there are there are some holes to Denver right now,

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks one of them. New England's a team I don't

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Speaker 1: think their high ends is good outside of Drake May,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think. I don't think they have any holes.

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Speaker 1: I like New England in this spot. I think they'll

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Speaker 1: come in. Denver will come in and Stidham will be

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Speaker 1: like a backup quarterback playing in a massive game and

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Speaker 1: he'll be limited. That'll give Drake May better field position

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Speaker 1: and more possessions. And I think over the course of

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Speaker 1: a game, I think it's very very close. Over the

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Speaker 1: course of a game, I suspect Vrabel, Drake May, Stefan Diggs.

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Speaker 1: I don't love their O line. I've said before, I

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Speaker 1: still contend of the final four teams. New England's still

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Speaker 1: in a semi rebuild. They got to get the offensive

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Speaker 1: line right. There's a couple of spots they need to upgrade.

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Speaker 1: But I'll say this about Sean Payton the year people

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Speaker 1: forget this. The year before he went to the Saints,

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Speaker 1: they were wearing bags on their head. They were the

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Speaker 1: running joke in the league. They were the running joke.

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Speaker 1: They were three and thirteen the following year and six

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Speaker 1: year four that won the Super Bowl. So you're talking

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Speaker 1: about Peyton and Vrabel. This is a These are all

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Speaker 1: time coaches. These guys are really sharp, really sharp. So

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about this. Let me throw this out

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Speaker 1: at you. I fell in love with the NBA when

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Speaker 1: I was a kid, Doctor J. And I didn't like

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Back when I was a kid, I loved

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Speaker 1: baseball and I loved the NBA. And one of the

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Speaker 1: reasons I liked the NBA was Spencer Haywood and Doctor J.

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Speaker 1: Because I was kind of a feisty kid. It had

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Speaker 1: its own personality. You could wear your own shoes, your

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Speaker 1: own everything. It didn't feel corporate. It felt like individual

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Speaker 1: stars and downtown. Freddie Brown didn't play like Spencer Haywood,

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Speaker 1: and Spencer Haywood's like, I'm not going to get treated

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Speaker 1: like this. I'm not gonna play And that was its strength.

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Speaker 1: And remember that. I'll get back to that in a second.

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Speaker 1: So the ratings are up in the NFL, I'm reading

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Speaker 1: Noma homes in the playoffs, Nola mar Jackson, No Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rogers long gone. Ratings are one thing the NFL

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00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: does really well. The NBA stinks at introducing their next star.

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00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,479
Speaker 1: You know who the most popular player in the NBA

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00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: is right now, Steph Curry, You're seventeen still, I'm sorry. Sga, Wemby,

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Speaker 1: Yo Kitch are remarkable players personalities. So three of the

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00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: top four teams left have quarterbacks that just won their

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00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: first playoff game. The ratings shouldn't be through the roof.

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Speaker 1: But I think the reason is because the football in

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00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: America college en pro, but let's talk pro football is

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00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 1: reliant on the quality of their game. That's why they're

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00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: constantly changing rules. They want to keep the game number one.

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00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: So you can insert any quarterback, any pass rusher into

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00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: any team. He'll be popular. Because they worry about the

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00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: quality of their game and the franchise over the player.

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00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: Yet the star player still makes a fortune. The NBA

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00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: is about the player more than the franchise. And if

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00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: the player doesn't have a personality, Jokic, isn't that fascinating,

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00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: you get major dips in popularity. But there's something else

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Speaker 1: that's happening between the NFL and basketball that I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure this has been said. I feel strongly about this.

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Speaker 1: I always felt the one advantage the NBA had over

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Speaker 1: the NFL. It wasn't as corporate.

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00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 1: It was like a music club and everybody had their

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Speaker 1: own thing. It was cool. The NBA was cool that.

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00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: You know, Doctor J played one way, the other guy

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Speaker 1: played the other way. It was a lot of one

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00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: on one. It could be iso. I mean, Magic didn't

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Speaker 1: play like Steph, and Steph doesn't play like Doctor J.

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Speaker 1: And it was kind of independent and artsy and a

675
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: cool aesthetic. And then football was kind of corporate. Here's

676
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: the playbook, don't get crazy. Corporation runs the shield. There's

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Speaker 1: a way to play the game. And Tom Brady please

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00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: take Payton's it's actually flipped. The NFL now has all

679
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: these guys like Josh Allen and Caleb Williams. They're like, bro, dude,

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00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: you do you, you do you. The game has more

681
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: great offensive coaches. It's more creative than it's ever been.

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00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 1: There's still a big corporate shield hovering over the NFL,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of the great young quarterbacks they're just

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00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: doing their own thing. Lamar played like nobody else. Caleb

685
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: plays like nobody else. Josh plays like nobody else, and

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Speaker 1: you kind of lean into it. And conversely, the NBA

687
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: has become the NFL. They're one advantage. It was art,

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00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: it was unique, and now everybody plays the same game.

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Speaker 1: Shoot a bunch of threes. I saw celt the game

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00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. I had to turn it off.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's doing the same thing. Wemby just shoot threes, and

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Speaker 1: Edwards should look like doctor and Edwards should play like MJ.

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Speaker 1: I watch him play shooting eleventh. So the one advantage

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00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: the NBA really had was the individual, and yet they've

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00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,959
Speaker 1: smushed them with analytics into playing the exact same way.

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Speaker 1: You can watch an NBA game. They're sixty threes, sixty everybody, big,

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00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: small guard, forward, center, get to the corner, get to

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00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: an angle, shoot a three. It's okay if your steph

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00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: because that's his game. Doctor Jay's game was acrobatic and

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00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: dunking wasn't. Shooting jumpers you were allowed. And so what

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00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: happens to the NBA? They when have they succeeded when

702
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: their stars have big personalities in Flair, Magic, Kobe, MJ. Shack,

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00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: they've smushed it all together and now it's very NFL

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00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 1: where it's very corporate. Everybody shoots the same way. It's

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Speaker 1: a math equation threes and more threes. And the NFL,

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00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,439
Speaker 1: to me, is now more willing to kind of say

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Speaker 1: this quarterback is unique, bro. I mean, you know, we

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Speaker 1: we'd prefer them to get up to sixty five percent

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Speaker 1: completion percentage. But if you're the high fifties and got

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Speaker 1: horsepower of VA, kind of we're gon, We're gone. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson has an offense. He lets Caleb do a

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Speaker 1: lot of Caleb stuff. So when I see these ratings

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Speaker 1: are up with all these young quarterbacks, when you're not

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Speaker 1: dependent on anything other than the quality of the game

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Speaker 1: and the franchise, you don't have these dips. The NBA's

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Speaker 1: one advantage was personality. Now it's a three point shooting contest,

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Speaker 1: just repetitive. Even the players I like, I don't see dunks.

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Speaker 1: I see threes. Tom Brady next hour,