1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: The attack on January sixth was a direct and predictable 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: result of mister Trump's decision to use false claims of 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: election for all. Democrats are using January sixth to avoid accountables. 5 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: Police are squabbling with protesters. There we go Floomberg Sound 6 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: on Politics, Policy and Perspective from DC's Top Name. Answer 7 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: your question is yes, I felt strongly about this and 8 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: could have expressed that sooner. It's not common for Republicans 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 1: to talk about environmental disasters. It's kind of an ambulance 10 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: chaser move. I mean, you know, when you're chasing around disasters. 11 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On with Joe matthew On Bloomberg Radio speaker 12 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy hands over thousands of hours of security video 13 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: from January sixth to Tucker Carlson. Democrats are calling it 14 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: a breach of security. Welcome to the fastest hour in politics. 15 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: As Washington scrambles to learn what is on the tapes 16 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: and what would motivate the Speaker of the House to 17 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: give this access to Fox, We'll talk about it with 18 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: Congresswoman Zoe Lofbrn, Democrat from California. Who have, of course 19 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: served on the January sixth committee. The governor of Illinois 20 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: pushing back on criticism of high crime in cities like Chicago. 21 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's Romain Bostick spoke with him a short time ago. 22 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: We'll join us later this hour, and as Secretary Pete 23 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: Buddhajedge touches down in East Palestine, we'll talk about it 24 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: more with our signature panel Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Schanzano 25 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: and Rick Davis here for the hour. We start the 26 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 1: broadcast today by asking what everyone else is asking. In Washington, 27 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: what is on the tapes? Police start squabbling with protesters. 28 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: Is this that Donald Trump Junior tweeted along with a 29 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: couple of others, showing police opening the gates letting protesters 30 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: stream in. Who knows? As I read on the terminal, 31 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: Democrats as sale Fox News possession of January sixth Capital video, 32 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: although do we even know that there is possession? Maybe 33 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: they reviewed this stuff. Tucker Carlson given access to unpublicized 34 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: footage of the January sixth Capital insurrection, said to be thousands, 35 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: tens of thousands, possibly of hours of security tape. Axios 36 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: first reported this Speaker. McCarthy provided this to the Fox 37 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: News host, remembering that Tucker Carlson has called this a 38 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: false flag operation, and we also know what Kevin McCarthy 39 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: thought of the January sixth Committee. Democrats are using January 40 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: six to avoid accountability for making the whole nation less 41 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: safe and less prosperous. That was back in June. And 42 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: we don't have to go through the whole deal with 43 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: who was assigned to the committee and who wasn't. We've 44 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: been through that, and I know that you're already up 45 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: to speed on that also in June. This was only 46 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: what a week later? The Congresswoman from California, Zoe Lofgren 47 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: on the January sixth Committee, the attack on January was 48 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: a direct and predictable result of mister Trump's decision to 49 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: use false claims of election fraud to overturn the election 50 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: and to cling to power. And she's with us right now, 51 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: Congresswoman Loughburne, welcome back to Bloomberg. Have you seen or 52 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: did the committee staff see all these hours of footage 53 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: at the speaker has apparently handed over well, I don't 54 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: think he's handed over a hard drive. I think they 55 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: have provided what Carlson has described as unfettered access to 56 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: all of it, and of course Carlson has promised to 57 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: air video on his show next week. I have not 58 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: seen the thousands, and I've seen in some of it, 59 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: but when we were working on the January sixth committee, 60 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: we were very careful to limit access to the video 61 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: to the members themselves in key staff. We had it 62 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: on a computer that wasn't connected to anything else, unable 63 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: to copy. We disabled the copy functions. It was password controlled, 64 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: and we did not air anything unless the Capitol Police 65 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: gave us the high sign that it would not jeopardize 66 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: the security of the capital. So that's what we did, 67 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: and I fear and it looks like that's not what's 68 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: happening now with Carlson. Is there more footage that you 69 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: didn't potentially see or have access to. Is he pulling 70 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: from another source here or is this part of you know, 71 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: the massive amount of footage that your committee pulled from 72 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: in the presentation that you made. It's the massive amount, 73 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: and I you know, I didn't watch all of it. 74 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: I mean some of it is empty hallways because yes, 75 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: recall you know the members were sheltering from the mob, 76 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, some of it was not very interesting, and 77 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: I have not sure I didn't sit there and watch 78 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: all of it, but not from a source that, for instance, 79 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: you did not have access to. This was all from 80 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: the same pool. Yes, I mean, I could have gone 81 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: in and watched at all. I didn't think it was necessary. 82 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: The staff looked at all of it and found out, 83 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: you know, the members didn't need to look at the 84 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: empty hallwells hallways in the Rayburn building. Tucker Carlson, as 85 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: I mentioned, is called January six of false flag operation. 86 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: What does that tell you about Speaker McCarthy's motivations here, Well, 87 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: I know you'd have to ask McCarthy what his motivations are, 88 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: but it does appear, based on what he said publicly, 89 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: that he made a promise to the extremists in his 90 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: caucus to grant access to Carlson as part of this 91 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: vote getting gathering effort to become speaker. I don't think. 92 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously this is not a false flag. Anybody 93 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: who doubts that can just go to the Library of 94 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: Congress of the Government Printing Office and take a look 95 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: at the report. I mean, and see the gigantic mob 96 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: attacking our police officers on the west front of it. Well, 97 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Congresswoman. I was in the hearing 98 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: room for your for your final hearing. I've I've seen 99 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: the presentation, and we have digested your report here at Bloomberg. 100 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: With that said, does it matter that any of this 101 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: is getting out that McCarthy says, it's in the public 102 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: interest to know everything, not just what you chose to 103 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: show America from the committee. Obviously you could have used 104 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 1: any of this tape. Is it benign? Well, I think 105 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: it is not benign because there are certain things that 106 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: cause security concerns. For example, we learned that there are 107 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: gaps in coverage of where the cameras are. Part of 108 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: our recommendation was that we should fund the placement of 109 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: cameras throughout the facilities so that there wouldn't be a 110 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: gap in coverage. That hasn't happened yet, So you know, 111 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: if that's played, so that you know, it doesn't have 112 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: to just be domestic terrorists, it could be foreign terrorists. 113 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: To give people bad guys an idea of how to 114 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: avoid detection, that would be a problem. Focusing in on 115 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: the escape routes for the staff and the members of 116 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: Congress and believe me, it wasn't just Democrats who were evacuated, 117 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: it was all the members who were evacuated. That would 118 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: be a security problem. So, you know, I'm for transparency. 119 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: As you know, I think we're the first committee that 120 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: ever made all of its transcripts available. Everything that we should. 121 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: You know, we were able to release on video we 122 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: made available. But there's some things for security purposes that's 123 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: not responsible to relieve. I know it's been suggested some 124 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: security cameras may need to be repositioned as a result, conferswoman. 125 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: There was a virtual conference called Democrats held today a 126 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: caucus meeting. Did party leaders indicate that it was yesterday? 127 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: Forgive me on Wednesday? Right, Did they suggest they knew 128 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: any more about this and maybe considering taking any action? 129 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: In response, Well, we never talk about our discussions in 130 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: the caucus. I'll just say that, you know, there are 131 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: a lot of things we don't yet know in terms 132 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: of how whether or not there's an intention to clear 133 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: things with the Capitol Police. It doesn't look like they 134 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: were consulted in advance on this, which is a concern. 135 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 1: It is still in the possession of the House of Representatives. 136 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: It's it's unfettered access to Carlson Anda's team, but they 137 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: apparently have not handed over a hard disc with all 138 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: the material understood understood. Are you concerned that this will 139 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: revise history in some way, that this will tell a 140 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: different story than the committee told? Well, I think Carlton 141 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: has unfortunately shown himself to be a liar if you 142 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: take a look at the dominion lawsuit. I mean, he 143 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 1: knew things were false, and he told his viewers otherwise. 144 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: I think that's in keeping with his trying to characterize 145 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: a very serious assault on the Capitol as something that 146 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: was diminimous. That's not, in fact the truth. He may 147 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: try and spend this and he's really a propagandist in 148 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: some ways, but it's not going to be able to 149 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: unwind the truth because the truth is out there. And 150 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: that's why we were so committed to making sure that 151 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: all of the transcripts and the videos that we had 152 00:09:55,840 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: were publicly accessible, because I think the the facts are 153 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: overwhelming and can't be can't be excused, can't be erased. 154 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 1: The truth is out there. Been hearing a lot from 155 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: Georgia last couple of days. Congresswoman, I don't know if 156 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: you've been hearing the fourth person from the Fulton County Court. 157 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: This is, of course, the case that has been investigating 158 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's attempts to overturn the twenty twenty election, at 159 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: least in Georgia. Is some of the language that she's 160 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: been using, and we can we can just give a 161 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: taste here from what Emily Cores has been suggesting to 162 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: see even that you will not be shocked by the outcome. 163 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: This was on MSNBC. Probably not. It probably wouldn't shock you. 164 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: I would not expect you to be two shockers. And 165 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: that includes of the former president potentially. Potentially it might. 166 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: It's hard to read into some of this, but it 167 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: does seem that we've got some indictments at least recommended, 168 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: if not coming here in the near term. Congresswoman, can 169 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: you see a world in which the state of Georgia 170 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: begins the real legal process against Donald Trump as opposed 171 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: to the federal government here in Washington. Well, I don't 172 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: know any more than any of the rest of that's 173 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: what George is doing. Let me just say that I 174 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: thought it was a very irresponsible and unprofessional for the 175 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: chairwoman of the Grand Jury to go out and publicly 176 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: tease what they did. The grand jury proceedings are meant 177 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: to be confidential, and I think although she tried to 178 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: avoid naming names, the appearance was dirty, unprofessional and unfortunate. 179 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: Could have jeopardized the outcome of the case. I don't know. 180 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: I mean, you'd have to ask. I'm not a prosecutor, 181 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: but I imagine it didn't help. You were a staffer 182 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: on the House Judiciary Committee, somewhat famously, when the committe 183 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: was preparing articles of impeachment against President Nixon. That was 184 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: a long time ago, obviously, Congressmanman, I wonder how that 185 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: defines your interpretation of everything going on right now. Well, actually, 186 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: I wasn't on the staff of the Judiciary Committee. I 187 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: was on the staff of Congressman Don Edwards, who was 188 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: a member of the Judiciary Committee during the impeachment inquiry. 189 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: And I, you know, I was just a law student. 190 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 1: I wasn't in charge of anything, but I did. I 191 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: end up working on some of the impeachment matters, and 192 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: I wrote one of the articles because the other the 193 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: lawyers thought it was so frivolous they didn't want to 194 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: and stuck it on me. It defines this, you know, 195 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: when we started the Committee started the impeachment. There was 196 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: a partisan division on the committee, but what happened was 197 00:12:54,160 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: interesting to watch. As information became available, a bipartisan group 198 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: realized that this was a serious problem, that Nixon had 199 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 1: engaged in serious misconduct and likely high climbs and misdemeanors. 200 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: And although it wasn't a unanimous vote to impeach, it 201 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: was bipartisan. And one thing I'll never forget the look 202 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: on Chuck Wiggins's face. Chuck Wiggins was a big defender 203 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: of President Nixon, very very conservative man, but a very 204 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: honorable and truthful man. He was not trying to cover 205 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: up for Nixon. He believed what Nixon had told him. 206 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: And when the truth came out, the sense, the look 207 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: of betrayal on his face was amazing. And I think 208 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: at that point the people who had defended Nixon in 209 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: good faith, all of them said it's up, and it's 210 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: time for you to resign. In the person Nixon did resign, 211 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: that was a time when there was truth, when there 212 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: was honor, and there was a shared reality, and I 213 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: think we've drifted from those days. Well, that says a lot. 214 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: A Congresswoman, thank you for sharing that with us. Zelafrin served, 215 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: of course, on the January sixth Select Committee, Democrat from California, 216 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: and with us here in her first conversation on Bloomberg 217 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: Sound on, I'm Joe, Matthew and Washington. As we assembled 218 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: the panel, Rick Davis and G. D. Schanzano have been 219 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: listening and preparing themselves for whatever. This footage includes Bloomberg 220 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: Politics contributors, Rick, what do we have here? We're going 221 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: to wait to watch the show. Is this going to 222 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: be like when they you know, they opened the vault 223 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: with Eraldo Rivera or is there going to be something 224 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: meaningful that we're about to see? You know, it's hard 225 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: to say what would be meaningful at this stage. I mean, 226 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: I think everybody would agree we've we've heard so much 227 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: about this, we feel like we actually know what happened, right, 228 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: And so if there's something dramatic Tucker Carlson wants to 229 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: make out of this, yeah, it's gonna fly in the 230 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: face of what everybody thinks is the current reality. And 231 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: I think the committee did actually a good job of saying, 232 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: here are the facts of what happened. Um, But you know, 233 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: he's a showman, he's a propagandists h Congresswoman Lawfrin said, 234 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: and and so it wouldn't surprise me that he comes 235 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: up with a program, a documentary something like that that 236 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: he wants to, you know, get out there and show 237 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: that somehow the people opening the doors were all part 238 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: of the inside game and this was all set up 239 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: by the FBI or something as yeah, we'll see, we'll wait. 240 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: But you know, I would expect he's not gonna just 241 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: quietly pass this material through his fingers and not do 242 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: anything with it. Well, I'll tell you what, Genie, it's 243 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: gonna be interesting. I just wonder, you know, for the 244 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: Speaker of the House to be taking this action. He was, 245 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: he was there that day. We heard the tapes of 246 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: him preparing to call Donald Trump's what's the motivation here? 247 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: Is it for him to say I told you I'd 248 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: release everything. It's all but made public, not the edited version, 249 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: or is he actually trying to rewrite the story? Well, 250 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: you know, this is highly unusual and as you just 251 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: discussed with Representative Lofgren, potentially very dangerous. And you know, 252 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: we have heard Kevin McCarthy say that this was to 253 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: let sunshine in his defense as transparency. But you've got 254 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: to ask yourself. If that's the case, why only to 255 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:26,239 Speaker 1: one news outlet, Why without being vetted by security officials, 256 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: and why not even to the entire news outlet. Put 257 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: to one host who has raised questions about January sixth, 258 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: he didn't even release it to the fire Fox News 259 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: organization apparently, so transparency doesn't seem to be what he 260 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: had in mind, although that's what he said, and there 261 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: is some thought that it may have been quid pro 262 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: quo for him becoming speaker. Marjorie Taylor Green tweeted White 263 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: right away, way to go, and she did end up 264 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: voting for him. You're lastening to the Bloomberg Sound on podcast. 265 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: Catch us live weekdays in five Eastern on Bloomberg dot com, 266 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: the Heart Radio app, and the Bloomberg Business App. We're 267 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:09,959 Speaker 1: listening on demand wherever you get your podcast. The Governor 268 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: Ronda Santis made a trip this week to Illinois. He 269 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: spoke to the Fraternal Order of Police in Elmhurst, his 270 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: latest stop on a national tour that many think, of course, 271 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: will lead to a presidential run. And he add one 272 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: man in mind that night, JB. Pritzker. Yes, during COVID, 273 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: even though your governor would lock you down and have 274 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: his family in Florida living in free and many other 275 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: lockdown politicians would do that. It became like a cottage 276 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: industry that they'd always end up attacking Florida, that we 277 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: were somehow being reckless. But I think people make the 278 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: down decisions. Then you'd see him down in Palm Beach 279 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: or you'd see him down in Miami. So that was 280 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: something that but people come yes because they did want 281 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: to flee some of the COVID insanity that was going 282 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: on in many of these other jurisdics. Referring to Pritzker 283 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: family members, of course this is governor family members who 284 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: we're spending time at the second home, the second family 285 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: home in Florida during the pandemic, But it was the 286 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,239 Speaker 1: issue of crime that he zeroed in it. I mean, 287 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: it's nice that people want to be but you know, 288 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: you've got to get some of these right. And here's 289 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: what we know, particularly over the last few years, the 290 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: reason why you have crime that has spiraled out of 291 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: control in so many of these different areas is because 292 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: you have politicians putting woke ideology ahead of public safety. 293 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: And it's certainly not the first time that you've heard 294 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: that it came up in a conversation today, a great 295 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:38,360 Speaker 1: interview that our Romane Bostick held with yes JB. Pritzker, 296 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: who got into this issue of crime and the way 297 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: that it's being framed by Republicans around the country. The 298 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: fact is that people think that things are bad in 299 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: terms of crime in Chicago, and they've gotten better over 300 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: the last year and a half. But the truth is that, 301 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, we've got to fix the challenges and then 302 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: you know, Trump at the success we've done that with 303 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: our fiscal challenges, and we're doing that with crime. Blog 304 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: Television's Romaine Bostick is with us right now from New 305 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: York to talk a little bit more about this. Romaine, 306 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. This is the first time you've 307 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: ever come on my program, and I was really taken 308 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: by the interview. Here he was joining you, the governor 309 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: was joining you to talk about improved debt ratings actually 310 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: right in improving economic situation in Illinois. But you really 311 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: touched on an important issue there, and this is a 312 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: difficult narrative for him to spin. It is a difficult 313 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: narrative for him to spend. And I think when you 314 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: look at that interview, you notice two things, or at 315 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: least two things jumped out at me. He cited a 316 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: lot of I guess, hard data for why things are 317 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: improving in the state of Illinois, whether you're talking about 318 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: their fiscal situation or whether you're talking about crime relative 319 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 1: to other cities and other states. The problem is, we 320 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: know that in politics is not always about what the 321 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: statistics show. It's about what you can communicate and what 322 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: you can sell to the people. And right now you have, 323 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: I guess, to a certain extent, a losing battle, at 324 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: least on his side, as to how that narrative is 325 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: being put out there. When you have guys like Donald 326 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: Trump as well saying that Chicago is more dangerous than Baghdad, 327 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: that really is a narrative that has stuck. It has stuck, 328 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: and I think it's gotten a little bit more credance, 329 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: not necessarily coming from someone like Donald Trump, but when 330 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: you have someone like Ken Griffin, who runs Citadel, one 331 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: of the most powerful financial firms out there, comparing Chicago 332 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: to Afghanistan, and of course and then moving his corporate 333 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: headquarters away from Chicago down into Miami, and that's a 334 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: big black eye. And you know, and Pritzker said in 335 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: an interview. He tried to make the case that look, 336 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: when you look at the Boeings and Caterpillars and all 337 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: these companies moving out of the state, Oh, they're just 338 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: moving a few dozen corporate executives and it doesn't really 339 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: affect the broader sort of employees that are still there. 340 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: And that's certainly true. But we know the optics of 341 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: having those companies calling your state home, and more importantly, 342 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: the optics of those same companies saying we don't think 343 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: that this is a good enough place to do business. 344 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: We'd rather be in Texas or in Florida or somewhere else. Yeah, 345 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: isn't that something? And of course a big reason why 346 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: you and I are talking about this right now is 347 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: that Pritzker is frequently mentioned as a potential presidential candidate 348 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: who would not be a shock if he were to run, 349 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: but maybe not this cycle. Based on what he told you, 350 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: I found this pretty revealing. Here's what he said when 351 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: you asked him about a run for the White House. Oh, 352 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: there are lots of folks who have been very kind 353 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: and suggested that I should and approached me about it. 354 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: But like I said, I intend to be governor of 355 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: Illinois for the next four years. And by the way, 356 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: Joe Biden is running for reelection and I'm supporting him 357 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: in that effort. So you are going to back Joe 358 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: Biden if he announces his formal Chyes, I will. That's 359 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: the important part there. As you know, we know half 360 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: typically the most recent poll we saw today from Marist College, 361 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: NPR and PBS had something like forty five percent of 362 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: Democrats looking for another name, another person not named Joe Biden, 363 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: this governor. I don't know if he's just saying the 364 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: right things Romaine, but he's clear that he wants Joe 365 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: Biden to run. Well, that's what he said publicly. And 366 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 1: of course, remember when he was running for reelection, this 367 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: was actually the big overhang. A lot of people were saying, 368 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: you're running for another four years as governor. That's going 369 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: to overlap with the presidential cycle, in which many people 370 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: thought that he had presidential ambitions. You know, if you 371 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: take him for his word, then sure, he'll still be 372 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: in Illinois for the next four years of fulfilling that term. 373 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: But I think there are a lot of people that 374 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: say there might be an opening in the Democratic Party 375 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: for someone other than Joe Biden. Maybe he potentially ends 376 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: up being that person. I guess he just he just 377 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: needs to wait to see what happens, like so many 378 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: others on the sidelines here, and a lot of people 379 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 1: may not realize that Romayne used to be a creature 380 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: of Washington, right, You were a reporter here for a 381 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: lot of years. I've still have never seen you, and 382 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: I was a swamp creature and now I've been liberated. 383 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: Is that why you never come back? Or I mean, 384 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: my god, come and come and see us sometime in Washington. 385 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 1: I'm coming down this weekend, Joe. Is that true? Your 386 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: show on there in the weekends and we try not 387 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: to be Okay, have a lovely time, all right, I'll 388 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: Romaine Bostick with us here, Yeah, amazingly on Bloomberg sound on, 389 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: let's reassemble the panel. Rick and Genie here. What do 390 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: you think Genie is a Democrat? I guess maybe I 391 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: should be careful about saying that he's he wants Joe 392 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: Biden to run. He said he'll support him if he runs. 393 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: Is the choice of words is important? There? Isn't it? 394 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: It is important as long as Biden runs. If he 395 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: decides too, he will support him, But if not, I 396 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: think all bets are off and you could see a 397 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: fight between who many people are say the two most 398 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: progressive or leading progressive governors in the country, which would 399 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: be Gavin Newsom and JB. Pritzker, And they both have 400 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: an awful lot to offer. And I think you know 401 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: what we see here with DeSantis is trying to push 402 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: on the issue on which Democrats in states like Illinois, 403 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: New York and California have been most vulnerable has been 404 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: this issue of crime. And he is pushing hard on that. 405 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: But of course Pritzker has an answer because of course 406 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: he has pushed back. He pushed through rather laws banning 407 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: assault weapons high capacity magazines. So while you have desantists 408 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: talking about woke ideology, he's actually pushing through laws that 409 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: can actually have a real impact. So he's gonna try 410 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: to answer by focusing on those laws. And of course 411 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: he is not afraid to attack de Santis on Twitter 412 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: and elsewhere. What does it tell us though, that DeSantis 413 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: is taking aim at him Rick, Does that make him 414 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: more viable as a potential president candidate or it's just 415 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: good politics for Ronda Santist to touch down in Chicago 416 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 1: and take a swipe at the governor. Sure, good, good, 417 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: good politics to take a swipe at the governor. I 418 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: mean he's a well known uh liberal Democrat who may 419 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: have a future nationally, and so he plays a perfect 420 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: role as the opposite of what Governor de Santists is 421 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: pitching people in Chicago. So it's it's just a perfect foil. 422 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: And of course you always get more headlines if you 423 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: attack someone, and if you then unless you show up 424 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: otherwise and just say hey where things are really great. 425 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: We got sunshine and Florida and we're you know, changing 426 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: the school system. So this gives him a lot more attention. Um. 427 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: But but look, I mean, you know, Pritzker is a 428 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: rising Democrat nationally and he's moving around. And it's also 429 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: billion people like uh like the Santists, So yeah, it's 430 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: fair game. Yeahs So he's a legitimate opponent at some 431 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: point in your eyes, it's a Republican you're keeping an 432 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: eye on Pritzker. Not only is he high profiles a 433 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: lot of money, Rick, He's got a lot of money 434 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,239 Speaker 1: his own money. He's actually good at fundraising, and he 435 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: comes from a Midwest state. I mean, like we forget 436 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: a lot that Democrats have had like pretty weak attendance 437 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: from the Midwest when they start to look around for 438 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: national leadership. And so he actually has a very positive 439 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: track record. I mean, we heard him in a Bostic 440 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: interview today talking about, oh, my credit rating is going 441 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: way up in my you know, debt's down right. You know, 442 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: there's more crime in Miami than there is in Chicago. 443 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: So he's working on those stocking points. And you know 444 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: that may work within the Democratic Party unreal. Well, you know, 445 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: Chicago is vying for the Democratic Convention, Genie, and it 446 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,239 Speaker 1: looks like it's coming down to Chicago versus Atlanta. And 447 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: I don't mean to upset anyone in New York when 448 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: I say that, but our reporting would suggest that New 449 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: York is running behind those two cities. Here. If you're 450 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: a Democrat making that choice and will come down to 451 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, do you touch down in Chicago to continue 452 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: the narrative that Governor Pritzker is out lining here, or 453 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: do you go to Atlanta, which maybe in the middle 454 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: of a red state. It's been pretty darn important for 455 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: Democrats lately. Yeah, this is a tough call for me, 456 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: and I know New York is way back, probably in 457 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: far beyond behind in third, and I think that happens 458 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: to make sense, I have to say I would probably 459 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: it's a tough call between Chicago and Atlanta. I would 460 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: probably say go Atlanta. Although to Rick's very important point, 461 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: Democrats have had a real difficulty in you know, the Midwest, 462 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: and that would be really really important, you know, but 463 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: for many of us, Chicago means nineteen sixty eight. You know, 464 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: maybe they go there and trying to turn the tables 465 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: on what was a disaster for Democrats, although I don't 466 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: think they want to relive that. So I'd say Atlanta 467 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: by a thread. We don't have a lot of time here, Rick, 468 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: but you've been on the convention business. What's smarter politically 469 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: for Joe Biden? You know, Look, I mean there's no 470 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: question that the route to the White House has to 471 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: go through Georgia and Arizona these days. So the only 472 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: one in that list it's vying FORERK is Georgia. I 473 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: think they'd be nuts not to put it in a 474 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 1: big swing state like that and spend more time talking 475 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 1: to voters in Georgia than they otherwise would be if 476 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: they're in Chicago. I hope they're listening to Rick. He 477 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: knows these things. You're listening to The Bloomberg Sound on podcast. 478 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: Catch the program live weekdays at five pm Easter on 479 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio, the tune in app, Bloomberg dot Com, and 480 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Business App. You can also listen live on 481 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: Amazon Alexa from our flagship New York station Just Say 482 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: Alexa playing Bloomberg eleven thirty the fastest hour in politics, 483 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: keeping an eye on East Palestine, and have been for 484 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: the past couple of weeks, and finally at this point 485 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 1: somebody from the administration shows up, other than we need 486 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: to be clear the EPA in the CDC who were 487 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 1: there within hours. Despite what we heard yesterday and in 488 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: days prior from Donald Trump, you have a president going 489 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: to Ukraine and yet people in Ohio that are in 490 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: desperate native help. And I was very proud to say 491 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: that I announced it's going to Ohio. You know, FEMA 492 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: said we're not going to give him anything. The Biden 493 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: administration said we're not going to give him anything. And 494 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: then I announced, I'm going. It's a little that I mean, 495 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 1: we can walk through this. Not really FEMA's job, but 496 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: FEMA did I guess offers some help. When Donald Trump 497 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: went there yesterday, we talked about that quite a bit. 498 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: Fast forward to today, Press Secretary Kaarin John Pierre. Why 499 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: has President Biden not gone to East Palestine? What's even doing? 500 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: The President has stayed updated on this for the past 501 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: several weeks. While he was in Poland. He spoke to 502 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: the important folks on the ground, the leaders the leadership 503 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: on the ground, including his leadership in those respective agencies, 504 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: on what was going on and getting updates. And he 505 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: will continue to do that and do everything that we 506 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: can and in East Palestine. Yes. The Transportation Secretary Pete 507 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: buddhag Edge, twenty four hours after Donald Trump is there, 508 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: shows up facing a throng of reporters and cameras, everyone 509 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: asking the same question, did you wait too long? You 510 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: answer your question is yes. I felt strongly about this 511 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: and could have expressed that sooner. Again, I was taking 512 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: pains to respect the role that I have and the 513 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: role that I don't have, but that should not have 514 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: stopped me from weighing in about how I felt about 515 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: what was happening to this community. And there was a 516 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: lot more where this came from. He toured the area 517 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: where the train d rule ement happened, where the chemicals 518 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: were vented and burned, creating this absurd scene over this 519 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: small town. And he did take a swing at Donald 520 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: Trump a couple of times when it comes to the regulations. 521 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: And even more, listen to this one to any national 522 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: political figure who has decided to get involved in the 523 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,719 Speaker 1: plight of East Palestine. Palestine, excuse me, I have a 524 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: simple message, which is I need your help. Okay, so 525 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: that's going in an ad right, Mayor Pete touches down 526 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: at East Palestine and asks Donald Trump for help. Let's 527 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: reassem the panel, Genie Chantino and Rick Davis. Isn't that 528 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: what you do with that? Rick? Oh yeah, that's that's 529 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: a commercial. I mean, I'm not exactly sure the approach 530 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: he took as a cabinet member in the Biden administration, 531 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: you know, referring to Donald Trump as a national political 532 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: figure instead of just saying former President Trump, you know, 533 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: and that you want to do something productive, we need 534 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: your help. Wow. Really, I mean, the guy who really 535 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: did did a lot to dismantle some of the regulation 536 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: that helps govern the safety of the rail So I 537 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, I don't understand why it wasn't 538 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: a sharper tone by this administration kind of taken back 539 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: by that, and I think it basically gave Trump a 540 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: free hit why go twenty four hours later? Geanie, I 541 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: know the idea was that, hey, everyone's telling you to go, 542 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: but when you do it the very next day, it 543 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: really does look like you were sent, you know, to 544 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: make up for not going because you were embarrassed by 545 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. And then I don't think he was ad 546 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: libbing here. I think he was actually kind of being 547 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: trying to be clever with the national political figure I 548 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: need your help trying to call his bluff. But prime 549 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: fodder for an ad it is, you know, and let's 550 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: be clear, it's it's sort of this notion that the 551 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: Secretary of Transportation has to go, Okay, the train has derailed. 552 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: It's not really about transportation. It's about the EPI decidedly 553 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: not transporting any longer not transporting. But he is this 554 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: very well known figure who represents something, so he's been 555 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: on the chopping line, and you know, I have to 556 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: say rightly so to a certain extent, because he had 557 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: a very weird sort of response to this entire thing. 558 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: There was one point when he said, you know, thousands 559 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: of trains derail every year. It can't see them all, 560 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: but they don't all release chemicals, and they don't rise 561 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: to this level. And so I do think he needed 562 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: to go. He needed to go sooner. He did not. 563 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: He made up for it by going today because he 564 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: knows the administration in his own response, has been a 565 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: bit tone deaf. This is sort of something that's not 566 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: too difficult. Go there, express your support, say you'll do 567 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: what you can. You know the president will come as 568 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: soon as he's able. You know, this is not that difficult. 569 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: And why it got so complicated, I'm not quite sure. 570 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: But the reality again is this is a town of 571 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: five thousand people. No one has died. The testing the air, 572 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: the water is said to be clean, but they are 573 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: concerned they're airing that, and they have it right to 574 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: be heard in. The administration has got to show they 575 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: know how to handle and respond to this, and they've 576 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: been caught flat footed on this. You know, there's no 577 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: two ways around that. He did touch the issue of regulations. 578 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: As we discussed yesterday, some of the rollbacks during the 579 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: Trump administration at least did not help the number of 580 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: train derailments happening if it wasn't specific to East Palestine. 581 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: Donald Trump dismissed that idea when he was asked about 582 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: it there yesterday. Here's what Secretary Bodhaja. One thing he 583 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: could do is express support for reversing the deregulation that 584 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: happened on his watch. I heard him say he had 585 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: nothing to do with it, even though it's in his administration. 586 00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: So if you had nothing to do with it, and 587 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: they did it in his administration against his will, maybe 588 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: he could come out and say that he supports us 589 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: moving in a different direction. We're not afraid to own 590 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: our policies when it comes to raising the bar on regulation. Rick, 591 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: even if everything he's saying is true here, it does 592 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: have the feeling that he's being led by Donald Trump right, 593 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: that this is completely reactionary. Should they have waited longer 594 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:28,479 Speaker 1: to go? Well, I think the message and Janie made 595 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: a good point about this. They waited too long ago, right, 596 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: they should have been ahead of all this again and 597 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: got at a certain point to go the day after. 598 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: Kind of looks like, Yeah, I don't think it's so 599 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: bad about going the day after, you know, I don't 600 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: think you want the Trump thing to echo out there 601 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: any longer. But like he was way too cute about 602 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: the whole Trump presence there. Oh well, I was hoping 603 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: it was actually going to endorse our policies. Well, who 604 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,719 Speaker 1: believes that's ever gonna happen. I mean, like, you know, honestly, 605 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: it's just too cute. I think this administration should not 606 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: have been focused on Donald Trump as much as they were, 607 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: and really focused on what was going on on the ground. 608 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: I mean, they could have talked about the trillion dollars 609 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: in infrastructure spending and how much of that's going to 610 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: rail improvements and whether or not that'll make us safer 611 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: for the people like this when they sit around a town, 612 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:11,919 Speaker 1: you know, where the train runs right through the middle 613 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: of town. So there are so many better talking points 614 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: I think that they could have done to make the 615 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: administration look like that they're trying to move you know, 616 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: the safety and security of our rail system forward, and 617 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: instead they look like they were more than happy to 618 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: have this sort of sarcastic Trump press conference where you know, 619 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: he became another big part of the day. That's not good, Genie, 620 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: what's the recovery play here? Does the administration lobby for 621 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: bigger fines than are being called forward. They go after 622 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: the rail company in this case, Norfolk Southern. How do 623 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: they act like they're doing something that is helping because 624 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: sending the EPA and the CDC, which is called for 625 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: that's protocol in this case apparently is not going to 626 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: cut it. You know, all of the above. You know, 627 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: the reality is they show up, they express empathy, they 628 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: express all the hope that they can give. You know, 629 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: let's not forget the Governor DeWine didn't want the FEDS 630 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: in there to begin with when this started, so there 631 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: is another flip side to this. But they have to 632 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 1: do exactly where you're talking about. They have to show 633 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: their in control of this. They also have to say 634 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: what many people in the political sphere have been saying. 635 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: We are happy to contrast our record on regulation and 636 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: as Rick mentioned, infrastructure with the Donald Trump's any day, 637 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: let's look at that. You know, you don't say that though. 638 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: On the ground, with people who are suffering and concerned, 639 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: you express empathy, you express support, you express anything you 640 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: can do to help them through this time. And then 641 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: you take it to Donald Trump at another time. I 642 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: don't know why he is trying to combat Donald Trump 643 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: one at a time on the ground. Yeah, we'll keep 644 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: an eye on East Palestine. As I mentioned, you're listening 645 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 1: to the Bloomberg Sound on podcast Catch us Live weekdays 646 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: at five Eastern on Bloomberg dot Com, heard Radio app 647 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: and the Bloomberg Business Adams or listening on demand wherever 648 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:07,760 Speaker 1: you get your podcast. The fourth person of the special 649 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,240 Speaker 1: grand jury investigating Donald Trump's efforts to overturn the twenty 650 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: twenty election in Georgia, right, Fulton County is giving prosecutors 651 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: adjita because Emily course that's her name, just did a 652 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: big round of interviews, like a tour of interviews. If 653 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: I could use that term, and something she may have 654 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: said too much. She spoke to the Associated Press, the 655 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:37,439 Speaker 1: Atlanta Journal Constitution, the New York Times, and NBC News, 656 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: which asked her if the Fulton County grand Jury recommended 657 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: charging yes, Donald Trump, probably not. It probably wouldn't shock you. 658 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: I would not expect you to be too shocked now, 659 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: and that includes of the former president potentially potentially it might. 660 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,080 Speaker 1: Going on to say, it's not rocket science, but you 661 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: won't be shocked by the outcome. She went on to 662 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: mention specific names describe the thrill of meeting Rudy Giuliani 663 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: and shaking his hand, and while Donald Trump did not 664 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: testify before this grand jury, she really wanted to see 665 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: that happen. Honestly, I kind of wanted to subpoena the 666 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 1: former president because I got to swear everybody in, and 667 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,720 Speaker 1: so I thought it'd be really cool to get sixty 668 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: seconds with President Trump. Cool of me looking at him 669 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,919 Speaker 1: and being like, do you solemnly swear? I'm me getting 670 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: to swear him in. I just I kind of thought 671 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: that would be an awesome moment. Okay, she's laughing, she's smiling, 672 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: she's loving being on TV. And so it's not just 673 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: what she said that might be an issue here. It's 674 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 1: her candor and the way she decided to comport herself 675 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 1: on television and in these newspaper interviews. But she may 676 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: be jeopardizing the outcome of this trial. We asked Congresswoman 677 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: zoel Afgrin about it earlier. We want to ask the 678 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 1: panel about it now, too, Jeanie Janzano and Rick Davis 679 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributors. Genie, there's the matter of the case itself, 680 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,320 Speaker 1: and we have to remind everyone the special grand jury 681 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 1: does not indict. Prosecutors would have to take their recommendation 682 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: and make the case before a new normal grand jury 683 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: to pursue charges, and we understand that may already be happening. 684 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 1: I've never seen anything quite like this before. Did she 685 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: jeopardized the outcome of this case? She very well might have. 686 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,839 Speaker 1: And I think you're a discussion Representative Lofgren, you know, 687 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: Representive Lofgren said irresponsible, unprofessional, unfortunate, and it does potentially 688 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 1: jeopardize the indictments. I mean, think about the bizarre thing. 689 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 1: She said. She held a Ninja Turtle popsicle that she 690 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,320 Speaker 1: got at an ice cream party thrown by the DA's office. 691 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,240 Speaker 1: Do DA's offices actually hold ice cream parties for jurors 692 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: and a grand jury? She said? Brian Kemp didn't look 693 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: happy to be there. That's a stunner. And Lindsay Grimm 694 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: said it's not too early to wear a Christmas hat. 695 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: I mean, the list goes on and on, and yet 696 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: all of it gives an opening to Donald Trump's lawyers 697 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: to say this is more than bizarre, it is potentially 698 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,320 Speaker 1: a reason that he may get out of an indictment. 699 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: So Donald Trump two good things yesterday and today, the 700 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: trip to the derailment and this, you know, it is 701 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: absolutely stunning. Is this just another face palm? And the 702 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: age we're living in here? Rick, what would possess someone 703 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 1: having had such the responsibility? My god, this one on 704 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: for months, the four person of a special grand jury 705 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 1: investigating a former president of the United States going to 706 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,800 Speaker 1: play around with people on TV and in the media 707 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: like this. I don't even know what to say. Well, 708 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: I want I want to meet the rest of the 709 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 1: jury because they elected her for a person. I mean, 710 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: what in the world were they thinking. No, it's really incredible. 711 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,359 Speaker 1: I mean maybe this is the age we live in. 712 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 1: She'd have probably been doing this on some social media 713 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: site if she didn't do it on the New York 714 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: Times or the CNN, So it's really extraordinary. I still 715 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: don't really quite understand how this could jeb Berdi's a 716 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 1: legal case. I think Fulton County Distort Attorney Fanny Wills 717 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: would have preferred her not to become such an instant 718 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: celebrity overnight at her expense. But if she's moving forward 719 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 1: with another case, you know, with with indictments, potentially in 720 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: front of a new grand jury, This isn't going to 721 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,440 Speaker 1: stop that from happening. So the reality is, it is 722 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 1: sad that our judicial system is looking this way today. Well, 723 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, after claiming total exoneration from the Grand Jury, 724 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,280 Speaker 1: posted a truth secor is going around doing a media 725 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 1: tour revealing incredibly the Grand jury's inner workings and thoughts. 726 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: This is not justice, It's a kangaroo court, he says, Thanks, 727 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 1: Rick and Jeanie C Tomorrow. I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg.