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Speaker 1: back on the Falcons Attoll presented by AT and T.

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Speaker 1: That's DJ Shockley, Dave Archer. I'm Derek Rackley and the

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Speaker 1: wait was not long for a defensive coordinator. Raheem Morris

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Speaker 1: and company worked efficiently over the past college seven or

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Speaker 1: eight days, interviewing a number of different candidates, and they

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Speaker 1: have landed on their guide. Jeff Olbrick will be the

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Speaker 1: new defensive coordinator for the Atlanta Falcons. A familiar face

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Speaker 1: fellas Jeff Olbrick obviously had been with the organization for

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Speaker 1: a number of years. I'll give you a kind of

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Speaker 1: quick background on Jeff Olbrick if you're not quite sure

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Speaker 1: about him. Former players. Spent his entire career with San

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Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine ers at the time. Came in actually

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Speaker 1: the same year that I did, in two thousand, played

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Speaker 1: ten years with them as a special teams player and

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Speaker 1: Morris before we came on air Arch last week when

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Speaker 1: we were talking about potential defensive coordinator candidates, he was

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Speaker 1: one of the names that you threw out and probably

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think it makes sense, Rack, and

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Speaker 2: as it turns out, a lot of people run similar

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Speaker 2: How many people you bring it the pass or how

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Speaker 1: You know, I wanted to talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: Listen, we need to be checked, right, like certain guys,

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Speaker 2: Well, and it lays down the idea that okay, we're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So guys, Archie talked a little bit about it.

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Speaker 2: No, exactly right, when you begin to think about how

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and shock. This is kind of piggyback on Archer's point.

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Speaker 3: a unit that's going to be really good. I remember

432
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Speaker 3: when Kalay's Cammell came and he talked about I want

433
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Speaker 3: to play with this guy. I wanted to play for

434
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Speaker 3: this guy, and we know how big of a character

435
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Speaker 3: he was as far as what he did on and

436
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Speaker 3: off the field, and that speaks volumes, and for a

437
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Speaker 3: long time, Atlanta wasn't thought about in that kind of light.

438
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Speaker 3: But I think now you can see guys wanting to

439
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Speaker 3: come here and play because of the environment, but then

440
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Speaker 3: also the people that are in this building. That's going

441
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Speaker 3: to help you grow, but more than that, help you

442
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Speaker 3: win ball games.

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Speaker 1: Guys and Arch, as we sit here and record this podcast,

444
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Speaker 1: we are the week leading up to the championship games.

445
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Speaker 1: And obviously there are a number of teams that are

446
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Speaker 1: not playing this weekend, and there are some that are

447
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Speaker 1: still playing this weekend. But for the average person out

448
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Speaker 1: there listening or watching, Arch, I mean, obviously, next steps

449
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Speaker 1: you kind of hinted towards it, probably defensive line is

450
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Speaker 1: the line coach is going to be the next step

451
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Speaker 1: outside of that, where do you believe and kind of

452
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Speaker 1: educate the FA on where this coaching staff in front

453
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Speaker 1: office is as far as the next steps and their

454
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Speaker 1: offseason preparation to get ready for twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Five, Well, certainly it will have something to do with

456
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Speaker 2: what Obrick wants to do defensively. If you go back

457
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Speaker 2: and look at the and we keep talking about the Jets,

458
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Speaker 2: because that's where he was was most most recently, they

459
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Speaker 2: were tenth in the league in most snaps playing man

460
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Speaker 2: coverage in the secondary? Is this secondary built to play

461
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Speaker 2: man coverage? The guys that are coming back, Now you've

462
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Speaker 2: got guys, Mike Hues, You've got d All or whoever

463
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Speaker 2: you've got guys, you got to get resigned. If you

464
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Speaker 2: want to bring him in or are there some guys

465
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Speaker 2: he wants to pluck that are off that jet roster

466
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Speaker 2: that are going to be free agents or whatever? Other

467
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Speaker 2: guys around the league. We've talked a little bit about that.

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Speaker 1: So how does that.

469
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Speaker 2: Mesh with the scheme you want to play in going

470
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Speaker 2: and getting personnel. But I think you have to attack

471
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Speaker 2: all three levels. Rack, I think that you're talking about

472
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Speaker 2: defensive line. You've got two aging defensive tackles, and Grady

473
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Speaker 2: Jarrett and David on Yamata not saying they can't still play.

474
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Speaker 2: You got two young guys. One played a little bit

475
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Speaker 2: in a row row and Dorles didn't play hardly any

476
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Speaker 2: Is there someone and that's where the defensive line coach

477
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Speaker 2: comes into play. If you hire a guy that can

478
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Speaker 2: come in here and develop those guys, but also blend

479
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Speaker 2: the veteran players in. Is there a veteran player or

480
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Speaker 2: two out there. I've got a couple guys in mind.

481
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Speaker 2: We won't talk about that now, but there's some guys

482
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Speaker 2: once they free up, could potentially be guys that comes

483
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Speaker 2: in here and major impact guys along the defensive front.

484
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Speaker 2: Again meshing with what Olbrick wants to do the linebacker area.

485
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Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking about the secondary and the defensive line.

486
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Speaker 2: Linebacker is going to have to be looked at. You know,

487
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Speaker 2: do you have enough athleticism at the linebacker spot? Do

488
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Speaker 2: you have enough thump at the linebacker spot? To do

489
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Speaker 2: what Olbrick and what Raheem Morris are wanting to do defensively.

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Speaker 2: So I think that's kind of a vague idea. You know,

491
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Speaker 2: it's kind of vague.

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Speaker 1: For the fan.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, you're not giving me anything to sink my

494
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Speaker 2: teeth into. What it is is they're still trying to

495
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Speaker 2: figure out personnel standpoint right right right shock, So you've

496
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Speaker 2: got that's the next step here is the personnel thing.

497
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Speaker 2: They're going to evaluate these guys hard. Olbrick's going to say, yeah,

498
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Speaker 2: I like this guy, and he's going to comb through

499
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Speaker 2: all seventeen games on tape and he's gonna look at

500
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Speaker 2: all these guys play in all these different positions. I

501
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Speaker 2: like the way that guy plays. I can use him

502
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Speaker 2: as this, I can get this guy to do this,

503
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Speaker 2: and then once they evaluate that, then they'll attack the

504
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Speaker 2: rest of it. But you know, guys, we got two

505
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Speaker 2: teams playing for the NFC Championship this weekend. You beat

506
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Speaker 2: one in week two, drove the link to the field

507
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Speaker 2: and beat him in week two. And I know Sakon

508
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Speaker 2: Barkley dropped the swing pass that might have won the game,

509
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Speaker 2: but hey, that's part of the game. Talk to Mark

510
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Speaker 2: Andrews about how that's feeling this morning. But you also

511
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Speaker 2: had the team the other team on the ropes. He

512
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Speaker 2: had a chance to beat the other team and it

513
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Speaker 2: went to overtime.

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Speaker 1: He lost.

515
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Speaker 2: So you've got two teams that you won in a

516
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Speaker 2: one score game and you lost in a one score game.

517
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Speaker 2: That's how close it is the National Football League to

518
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Speaker 2: flip some things around here. Two teams that are playing

519
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Speaker 2: for that you could have beaten both of them. You

520
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Speaker 2: beat one of them. It's crazy to think how tight

521
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Speaker 2: it is, right and we talk about it all the time,

522
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Speaker 2: But all of a sudden, you get slapped in the

523
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Speaker 2: face and you look at the two teams that are

524
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Speaker 2: gonna play in Philadelphia this week and say, wait a.

525
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Speaker 1: Minute, both those arch I'd take it one step further.

526
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Speaker 1: They had a chance to beat the Chiefs. Yeah, exactly,

527
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Speaker 1: a chance to beat the Chiefs. There you go, and

528
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Speaker 1: they're a number one overall seed in the AFC, Right,

529
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Speaker 1: So it is it's a great point that how how

530
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Speaker 1: tight the margin of victory is and getting not playing

531
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Speaker 1: in the postseason and playing in a championship game one

532
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Speaker 1: game away from getting the Super Bowl, right, and sometimes

533
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Speaker 1: it's it is it's a little hard to swallow because

534
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Speaker 1: you sit back and you're like, gosh, we could have

535
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Speaker 1: beat the Chiefs, we beat the Eagles, we could have

536
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Speaker 1: beat the Commanders. Three of the four teams that are

537
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Speaker 1: still going like right there at the end of the game.

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Speaker 1: So I think Arch made a great point last week

539
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Speaker 1: shot Shock that I wanted to kind of talk about

540
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: hammered down a little bit more because this offseason stuff

541
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Speaker 1: for NFL teams, it's not a one path deal, right.

542
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Speaker 1: You mentioned this last week arches is Ulbrick is looking

543
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Speaker 1: at all seventeen games of the Falcons footage, looking at

544
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Speaker 1: personnel schemes, what worked, what didn't work. They're talking about

545
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Speaker 1: college All Star games and all looking at all those

546
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Speaker 1: tapes with the scouts. They're evaluating the current roster with

547
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Speaker 1: guys that they want to come back, guys that are

548
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Speaker 1: potentially not going to be coming back. They're starting to

549
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Speaker 1: look at other free agents potential guys that are going

550
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: to be there across the National Football League and then

551
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Speaker 1: obviously they're starting to talk about the draft, right, So

552
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Speaker 1: there's so many different tentacles, if you will, in an offseason.

553
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Speaker 1: It's not just like all right, guys, we're gonna sit

554
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Speaker 1: down and we're going to talk about Falcons defensive line.

555
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 1: Doesn't work that way. That you have to be. You

556
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: have to be so versatile, most multifaceted to be a

557
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Speaker 1: coach and a personnel person in the National Football League

558
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Speaker 1: because of all the things that go down in the offseason, and.

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Speaker 3: Which is why it's so important to have guys who

560
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Speaker 3: understand or know exactly what they want, because you just

561
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Speaker 3: broke it down like a big oak tree and get

562
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Speaker 3: all these different branches coming off, and you got to

563
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Speaker 3: figure out, Okay, how do I water this tree the best?

564
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Speaker 3: And that fits what we like to do the most.

565
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Speaker 3: And that's why when ours talking about olbrig is gonna

566
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Speaker 3: come in, he's gonna have an idea of, Okay, how

567
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Speaker 3: can I use this certain guy? How can I use

568
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Speaker 3: that certain guy? Because they're gonna be certain guys who

569
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Speaker 3: in the draft free agency that won't fit what you

570
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Speaker 3: want to do so that kind of slams it down

571
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Speaker 3: for you and give you an idea. Okay, if we

572
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Speaker 3: want to use this guy on third down, use this

573
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Speaker 3: guy to rush the past, use this guy in the

574
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Speaker 3: run game. We want to use this guy. Maybe he's

575
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Speaker 3: a really good special teams guy for us, and maybe

576
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Speaker 3: in two years I can develop him into something that

577
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Speaker 3: we wanted to use. There's so many avenues I think

578
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 3: that you have to start with when it comes to

579
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Speaker 3: evaluating the roster, evaluating how a guy fits. And then

580
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Speaker 3: there's also you know, how do we mailed all these

581
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Speaker 3: guys with what we already have and we talked about

582
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Speaker 3: the current roster of what it looks like and what

583
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Speaker 3: it can be. But then for a lot of it

584
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Speaker 3: you already know as a coach, Okay, well, this guy

585
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Speaker 3: maybe doesn't fit what we want to do on this

586
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Speaker 3: side of the ball. And this is a guy who's

587
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Speaker 3: probably already been in the system and you know he

588
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Speaker 3: came over, he was great for what they did last year.

589
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Speaker 3: But I have new ideas, I have new thought processes

590
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Speaker 3: I want to use. And then there's other guys who

591
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Speaker 3: they have and they exactly know who they want when

592
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Speaker 3: it comes to a draft, come to a free agency

593
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Speaker 3: and say, these are our focal points. These are guys

594
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Speaker 3: we want to hone in on and make sure that

595
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Speaker 3: we go get So it's gonna be interesting to see

596
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Speaker 3: how they go about just melding all the different tree

597
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: branches together to fit into that big tree stump that

598
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 3: they want when it comes to this defense. And it

599
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 3: starts with one knowing exactly what you want and how

600
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Speaker 3: you wanted to look when it comes to this defense

601
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Speaker 3: or this team, because a lot of different sides of

602
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Speaker 3: the ball gonna have a lot of say so on Okay,

603
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Speaker 3: I don't want this guy just to be a guy

604
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Speaker 3: we can use on the defense side. This guy has

605
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Speaker 3: to be able to go and run down and on kicks.

606
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Speaker 3: This guy got to be good on the punt team.

607
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 3: He's got to be good on all these different areas

608
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Speaker 3: which makes his team better.

609
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Speaker 1: You know, I look at the postseason, guys, and to me,

610
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Speaker 1: a lot of times it kind of shows you how

611
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Speaker 1: you win and lose in the National Football League, and

612
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: there's a number of different areas. I wrote down that

613
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Speaker 1: I feel like the Falcons defense has to get better.

614
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Speaker 1: But you guys are watching the postseason, you guys saw

615
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Speaker 1: what generally ends up getting you beat and it's turnovers

616
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Speaker 1: and takeaways. Right, think about some of the games that

617
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: have happened in the postseason. Baltimore Ravens only gave the

618
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Speaker 1: football away eleven times in the regular season, eleven times.

619
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Speaker 1: They got turned over three times, one of the most

620
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Speaker 1: explosive offenses, the way they were playing, they got turned

621
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Speaker 1: over three times they ended up losing the game. How

622
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Speaker 1: many turnovers were in the Detroit game? I mean, how

623
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Speaker 1: about the Chargers that game? Going back to the first round? Turnovers?

624
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Speaker 2: Right?

625
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Speaker 1: And then you think about pass rush, which was an

626
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Speaker 1: area of concern for the Falcons all season long. I

627
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Speaker 1: look at the Chiefs, right, and you think about, Okay,

628
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: it's Chris Jones. Right, there's this dude named Carloftis that's

629
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: killing people. Right, So if I'm Atlanta, and granted, it's

630
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Speaker 1: hard to just go find a great pass rusher, but

631
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Speaker 1: how do you create the next Carloftis? Right? I mean, guys,

632
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: he's becoming to be a menace, an absolute menace. You

633
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: can't go off the street arch and get Trey Hendrickson.

634
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: It just doesn't happen like that, Right. You can't go

635
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: off the street and just get TJ.

636
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Speaker 3: Watt.

637
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Speaker 1: But can you can you take a cave Nallis and

638
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 1: turn them into a carloftis. I think Caveden Ellis told

639
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: Jue he wants to be an edge rusher. He wants

640
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: to come off the edge and get after the passer.

641
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Speaker 1: So I start thinking about those are the areas where

642
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: this team has to give back. I wrote down sacks,

643
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: third down defense, rush defense, red zone, and takeaways. I

644
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: think if you can now I'm not saying dominate the league,

645
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: but if you can be towards the top of the

646
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,479
Speaker 1: league and three out of the five of those, you're

647
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: gonna have a good chance of getting to the postseason

648
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Speaker 1: and ultimately winning games in the playoffs. So in my opinion,

649
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Speaker 1: those are the three of the five areas that you

650
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: got to be really good. If you think there's one

651
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: or two areas next year, it's this Atlanta Falcons defense

652
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: has to be much better.

653
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 2: It would be what well Number one would be for

654
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: me would be conversion down. And when you think about

655
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: conversion down, it's morphed into a third and fourth down

656
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: situation because the analytics are telling to your coaches to

657
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 2: go for it more on fourth down, So you have

658
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 2: to start combining third down and fourth down together. What

659
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: does that number look like?

660
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: So you need to win.

661
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: To me, you've got to win those downs. And some

662
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: of what you talked about in there that are the

663
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 2: five categories combine give you the opportunity to win on

664
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Speaker 2: the conversion down. Can you keep them? Can you keep them? Him?

665
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: In the run game?

666
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Speaker 1: See to me.

667
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 2: Number two on the list to me is stopping the run.

668
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: You have got to stop the run game. You look

669
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,479
Speaker 2: at these teams that are running the football. I mean

670
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: you look at what Philly's doing running the ball. They're

671
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: not killing anybody throwing the football. They're running the football.

672
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: Sakon Barkley's going off on people. Look what Derrick Henry

673
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: did prior to this last weekend running the football. Look

674
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: at the quarterback did for Buffalo. I mean, he's running

675
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: the ball when you get down in the red zone.

676
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: But conversion situation for me is number one. And then

677
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: the combination of what you talked about in pass rush

678
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: and rush defense help make that a douable situation. So

679
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: conversion situation for me has always been number one. Red

680
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: zone is its own entity. I think you have to

681
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: be able to limit people in the red zone and

682
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: or a is on offense, you've got to be able

683
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: to score right down there. You got to put touchdowns

684
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: on the board, So red zone would be number two.

685
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 2: And again, a combination of defensive stops in the in

686
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: run game, pass rush, and the takeaways that you can

687
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,239
Speaker 2: limit teams and maybe give short field opportunities for your

688
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: offense are the subsidiaries of being able to win on

689
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: conversion downs and win in the red zone.

690
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: Shock. Everybody's got, like every analyst kind of has their

691
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: money situations, like the situations they feel like you have

692
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: to win. What are those for you? Especially when it

693
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: comes down to the defense, What do you think are

694
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: the most important for not only the Falcons but any

695
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: NFL team to win defensively?

696
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: I think it's hard for me to argue with what

697
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 3: Arch has mentioned because those are the winning situations in

698
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 3: every ball game, and it comes down to being able

699
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: to stop people and that's the bottom line. And I

700
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 3: think that's kind of where this league has gone to,

701
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 3: where offenses have kind of evolved when it becomes really

702
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 3: good in those conversion situations. I mean, you look at

703
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 3: Day and Quinn in the Commander's Game. Look at how

704
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: many times you went for it on fourth down and

705
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 3: they were able to convert, and how many times that

706
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 3: led to more points. I think those are the key

707
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 3: situation in the ball game that allow teams to to

708
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 3: have special seasons if they're good in those areas, and

709
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: you know, are the great job of breaking it down.

710
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 3: I don't think I want to add anymore to that.

711
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 3: I just add to the last part of what he

712
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: talked about is the takeaways part of it. We talked

713
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,239
Speaker 3: about how good a defense can be and how they

714
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 3: can you know, they can really help a ball team.

715
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 3: But if you're if you're turning a team over and

716
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 3: you're giving your team the football more often, guess what,

717
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 3: you're probably gonna win more ball games because you're gonna

718
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 3: go score more points. And that's just the reality of it.

719
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 3: You're giving them short fields or you're giving them more opportunities.

720
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 3: And I just talked about how good quarterbacks are in

721
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 3: this league, how good offenses are, how good play callers

722
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 3: can be. I mean, look at what you know Detroit

723
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 3: and you know their last ball game, but Detroit didn't

724
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 3: come out. Is going back and forth. While these guys

725
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 3: are highly coveted when it comes to Okay, these guys

726
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 3: got to be our next head coach because of the

727
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 3: things they put teams in some buys that really make

728
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 3: it tough on opposing defenses. So if you're giving them

729
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 3: extra opportunities to call the players that they have been

730
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: drawn up all week want to showcase, it gives you

731
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: more opportunities to score points. And we know what we

732
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 3: saw in that last ball game with Michael Picks Jr.

733
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 3: In this offense and all the weapons you have, you

734
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,959
Speaker 3: don't think they're gonna score more points. You give them

735
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 3: other extra opportunities with the football, or you give them

736
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 3: short feels. You give Drake London and another chance in

737
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 3: the red zone, you get Beja on the football again

738
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 3: in space. Michael Pennicks continues to grow. We saw and

739
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: put up thirty eight points in the last ball game

740
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: and continue to drive this football. So the more chances

741
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 3: you give your offense and then the more confidence it

742
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: gives to your defense if you're turning teams over, and

743
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 3: I guarantee you if you're turning teams over, more than

744
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: likely you're forcing them to throw the football in situations

745
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 3: that obviously you were probably good on it. First and

746
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: second down where you're stopping the run or you're getting sacks,

747
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 3: and here it is, it's third and twelve and the

748
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 3: quarterbacks trying to force the issue to get a first

749
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 3: down to move the change because they need to score points.

750
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 3: So I think it all rolls in together with conversions

751
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: and stopping the run and then you're able to turn

752
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 3: people over. It helps the entire team when it comes

753
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: to being better when it comes to score more points

754
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 3: and also getting.

755
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: Out the field to double down on your point rack.

756
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 2: You talked about Carl Loftie, Okay, is Armorld advocati potentially

757
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 2: going to be Carl Loftis. Potentially there's a potential there, right.

758
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: But I think what you're saying is you you can

759
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: you can have all sorts of schemes and you can

760
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: kind of dial stuff up and hopefully the ball bounces

761
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: in your lap occasionally and stuff like that. But at

762
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: some point you've got to have some special guys on

763
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: the field. You got to have some some dogs on

764
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: the field. But you look and Chris Jones and Carl

765
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: Loftis and the defensive front and then their linebackers can

766
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: roam and hit, and so there are some guys on

767
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: this team that potentially be that, but ultimately you do

768
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: have to have some guys that go get it. I

769
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: played against guys like Reggie White, whoa, and you know,

770
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: Lawrence Taylor and people like that. You go back and

771
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: look at that great defense in Chicago with the singletary

772
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: standing behind the likes of you know, Richard Dent and

773
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: people like that. So there's special guys because because I

774
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 2: try to stay away from all those times, I try

775
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: not to mingle with any defensive players. But ultimately, why

776
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 2: is that a deal? One You come in and you

777
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 2: get prepared for a scheme. Okay, this is what they

778
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: like to do. They're gonna play a lot of man

779
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: coverage here, we get down the red zone, they kind

780
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: of change their skin, they kind of morph into this

781
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: aggressive whatever it might be. But then there's a couple

782
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: of special guys that you have to account for. Ye okay,

783
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: And that's a problem. I remember trying to account for

784
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 2: for Reggie White coming off the edge. We played them

785
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 2: in eighty six. As quick story, we're gonna play Buddy

786
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: Ryan's defense, and we're gonna play that forty six that

787
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 2: just kicked our weekend before the year before in Chicago.

788
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: He's now in Philadelphia. Okay, so the whole week we

789
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: got ready for where's Reggie White. Well, he way lines

790
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: up in a wide nine. We'll get him blocked. So

791
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 2: we're gonna do is. We're gonna we're gonna fan the tackle,

792
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: we'll chip block, we'll put a tight end over there.

793
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 2: We'll have him. We'll have him two guys on him. Now,

794
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: he may still win occasionally, but we got him accounted for.

795
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: I come to line of scrimmage on the first play

796
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 2: of the game. Step up. We're gonna double seam them. Okay,

797
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: we're gonna get two guys down the seam, hitches on

798
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: the outside docks, occupy the corners, and we're gonna touch

799
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: try to influence Wes Hopkins in the middle of the field.

800
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: I walk in line of the screamage and I look

801
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: over and just say, where's Reggie I just make sure

802
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: he's not over there? Where's Reggie White? You know, they'd

803
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: rotated Reggie over and he's now over the nose in

804
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: the forty six, and so he's now isoed on our center.

805
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 2: We had a young guy that first time he'd ever

806
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: played center, played the game first. I didn't go all

807
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 2: the time. I probably should have got should have first first.

808
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: I took the sound, so well, he's hemmed in. We

809
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: got him Hemmed in the middle of the field. We

810
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 2: got Reggie White taking care of he's got They're all

811
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: he's in the middle of field.

812
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: Kid, come off the edge.

813
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: So I took the snap and when I took my

814
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: first step to look at the at the safety, the

815
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 2: center's head hit me in the shoulder and he tackled

816
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 2: me and the center on We got sack eight times

817
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: that day. I mean, but that's he's a special dude.

818
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 2: And so my point is to your point, and it's

819
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: really well made. You can do all the scheming and

820
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 2: all that, but you got to have some special guys

821
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: step up and make play.

822
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And actually arch I was thinking the

823
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: same thing I was. I was going to close everything down.

824
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: Is a lot of teams have mottos, right Obviously, we

825
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: previously with Dan Quinn it was about the brotherhood, and

826
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: he's brought the Brotherhood to Washington and that seems to

827
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: be working. But I would say here, the Atlanta Falcons

828
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: organization is about rise up, okay, And at the end

829
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 1: of the day, that's what has to happen. Think about

830
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 1: what's happened so far in the postseason this year. Okay,

831
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 1: you could say what you want about certain players, Patrick Mahomes,

832
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: Travis Kelce. They find a way to make plays to win.

833
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: They rise up when the moment is the most important.

834
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: One of the MVP candidates for this year, Josh Allen

835
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: rise up at the right moment. Two rushing touchdowns in

836
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: that game. He's not going to blow you away with

837
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: what his passing stats are, but he's gonna do what

838
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: he has to do to win football games. Give the

839
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: credit to the rookie Jayden Daniels. He did it against

840
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons the second half. They said, young fellow,

841
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to go win the football game. And

842
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: Jade Daniels rise up, and he's done that in the postseason,

843
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: and as a rookie, he's got his team in the

844
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: NFC Championship. Sa Kwon Barkley, you think he's rising up

845
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: this year? Like you have to have players that play

846
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: at an unbelievably high level each and every week and

847
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: do special things for you to win and ultimately get

848
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: you into the postseason. Do you not think that Patrick

849
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: Mahomes has done some special things throughout the course of

850
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: his career to win these Super Bowls. You can hate

851
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: Tom Brady all you want, in those moments, he did

852
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: special things that nobody else could do to win all

853
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: the Super Bowls that he did. So as we kind

854
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: of wrap this up, Jeff Oulbrick named the new defensive

855
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: coordinator of the Atlanta Falcons. It's a new era on

856
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. We kind of recap

857
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: the name. We can't recap the stats. We recapped what

858
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: he's going to be doing in this organization. At the

859
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: end of the day, it comes down to players rising

860
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: up and being absolutely special. That's how you win in

861
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: the National Football League. So we can coach them up

862
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: as much as you want, you can make them better players.

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Speaker 1: But at some point, Michael Pennix, John Robinson, Jesse Bates,

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Speaker 1: Cayden Ellis, or whoever the next person is, you gotta

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Speaker 1: learn to take over games. You have to take over

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Speaker 1: games and make plays. That's gonna wrap us up here

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Speaker 1: on the Falcons Audible presented by at and t Our

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Speaker 1: guys Arch Shock from across the table.

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Speaker 2: I'm racked.

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Speaker 1: We will be back again on big moments. I keep

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Speaker 1: saying that, but every week, we keep coming back. It's

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Speaker 1: a big moment and maybe next week there'll be another

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Speaker 1: big moment, or maybe it's just us three in the chairs.

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Speaker 1: Make it a big moment. Ellas, we gotta make a play.

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Speaker 1: We mean time. Make sure you check out Falcons Final

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Speaker 1: Whistle podcast, stay tuned the Atlanta Falcons YouTube channel, and

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Speaker 1: of course Atlanta Falcons dot com. And I will always

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Speaker 1: say in the off season we will be back when

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Speaker 1: we are back, folks, thanks so much for joining us

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Speaker 1: on the Falcons Autile presented by AT and T. Once again,

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Speaker 1: that's shock, that's Arch.

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Speaker 2: I'm racked.

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Speaker 1: Take care of everybody.