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<v Speaker 1>doing our part. Michael Albanani man, what an interesting little

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<v Speaker 1>blip in US history? He was, Oh, yeah, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to find somebody's probably doing it, somebody with

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<v Speaker 1>a bigger staff and budget than us. Stormy Daniel's lawyer, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>can we come up with a montage of clips in

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<v Speaker 1>which he is touted as a presidential candidate, a possible

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<v Speaker 1>presidential candidate? Sewan? See if you can find that, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>bet somebody's already done it. You got GFP congressman quoting Hitler,

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<v Speaker 1>is mine comp to slam Trump's adversaries? That's that's just

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<v Speaker 1>never gonna work, dude. Mo Brooks of Alabama took to

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<v Speaker 1>the House floor on Monday to portray President Trump's detractors

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<v Speaker 1>as Nazis. Hey, Moe Brooks les Hitler would be like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a fan of Hitlers. Hilarious. But then, of

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<v Speaker 1>course the Washington Post mentions that actually the quote he

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<v Speaker 1>used had to do with Jews, and how to even

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<v Speaker 1>use the quote means you like Hitler? Okay, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why you don't play the Hitler card. He

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about the idea of the big lie, a

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<v Speaker 1>lie so huge and audacious that it perversely it defies

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<v Speaker 1>disbelief because you think somebody making claim that bold, there's

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<v Speaker 1>got to be something to it, which is actually a

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting it's still propaganda. Doesn't make any difference if

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<v Speaker 1>mine comp has the best advice on how to handle

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<v Speaker 1>the common cold cold from it, now, that's good advice

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<v Speaker 1>right there. Debra J. Saunders joins us debray is the

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<v Speaker 1>White House correspondent for the Las Vegas Review Journal, and

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<v Speaker 1>when we last met yesterday, we were discussing the state

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<v Speaker 1>of the American media, among other things. Hello, Debra, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for sparing us a few more minutes of your time,

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<v Speaker 1>my pleasure. I'm standing outside and the White House North

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<v Speaker 1>lawn right now. Oh really, what's what's the what's the

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<v Speaker 1>general vibe around there today? I mean, is there a

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<v Speaker 1>big giant xhil or not there tech care? I mean

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<v Speaker 1>they're still tech. So Kelly and just came out and

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<v Speaker 1>what happens is every way to her and throws up

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<v Speaker 1>questions for her, and she was saying, oh, and there

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<v Speaker 1>are number of questions on healthcare. And she was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>so now you guys want to talk about healthcare? Right

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<v Speaker 1>where were you before? And she's really just black And

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people were asking her, of course about

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<v Speaker 1>uh some of the things that have been said by

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<v Speaker 1>the administration, and she was she's kicked. So is they're not.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not They're not relieved, they're mad. He's real functioning

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<v Speaker 1>as the de facto press secretary at this point. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>uh no, but she is a good she is a

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<v Speaker 1>star again. I mean, it's an interesting thing for us

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<v Speaker 1>to have seen because, um, you know you, tomp has

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<v Speaker 1>not been really active on Twitter on this and instead

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<v Speaker 1>he's let people like Kelly and Conway and Sarah Sanders yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>um and a lot of other people come out and

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<v Speaker 1>talk for him instead. I think I think we're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>a change in the president. Interesting. I'm not relieved, they're mad.

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<v Speaker 1>That's an interesting headline out of this whole thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>tell us about it. Well, I think, I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure they're relieved that the fact that there was no

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<v Speaker 1>findance collision as well. But they're failing here is that

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<v Speaker 1>they never should have had to spend the last uh

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<v Speaker 1>twenty months, uh whatever anyway, that they shouldn't have had

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<v Speaker 1>to spend two years dealing with this, and that they'll

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<v Speaker 1>calling was talking about how people were saying that this

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<v Speaker 1>was an illegitimate president, and she was talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of failing that people had when that dossier first

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<v Speaker 1>came out and all of the restless stories that we

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<v Speaker 1>saw on cable news about how this is really going

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<v Speaker 1>to allow just something, and they're furious that their reputations

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<v Speaker 1>got dragged through the mud. I think the question most

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<v Speaker 1>of our listeners have is Deborah Saunders stands on the

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<v Speaker 1>north lawn of the White House, is how does the

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<v Speaker 1>north lawn compared to the south lawn. I'm assuming the

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<v Speaker 1>south lawn is greener because it gets more sunshine and

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<v Speaker 1>the south lawan I think also I'm looking at or

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<v Speaker 1>I think that the security dogs pee. Now that's an

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<v Speaker 1>so it's not nearly as it was well groomed. But

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<v Speaker 1>of course the South Lan has to deal with Marine

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<v Speaker 1>one landings, so every every every corner has its challenges here, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>So onto the hot kind of tangential topic of the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing, which is the state of American journalism. And

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<v Speaker 1>and Matt Taiebe in particular in Glenn Greenwald are just

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<v Speaker 1>howling mad about the idea of if it fits your

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<v Speaker 1>narrative or your biases, you will just gobble a whole whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>In particular, the FBI and intelligence services tell you, and

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<v Speaker 1>they think that is a shocking like an abandonment of

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<v Speaker 1>journalists the journalistic principles, especially because you know, intelligence services

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<v Speaker 1>in the FBI sometimes and this may shock you spread misinformation. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and as you know, I mean Glenn Greenwald is somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who's highly skeptical of federal investigators and officials. And he's

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<v Speaker 1>watching the press go so back and forth with this

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<v Speaker 1>where they can be really skeptical of the CIA when

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<v Speaker 1>it came to w m D at least eventually light

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<v Speaker 1>and then decided anything that the CIA tells, uh, Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's he has to listen to. And there's this real

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth that we've seen on so many other

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<v Speaker 1>issues as well. But the media, the fact that there

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<v Speaker 1>were people who were shocked that this was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be the outcome, I don't know, over the weekend just

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<v Speaker 1>amazes me because the signs were so clear that there

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<v Speaker 1>was nothing to add. For instance, well, again, the way

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<v Speaker 1>that we knew what was going on in the investigation is, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Mueller would indict people or he would get guilty pleased,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would lay out a case of what these

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<v Speaker 1>people had done wrong. There were tax chiefs, there were

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<v Speaker 1>bank chiefs, there were people who lied to investigators. But

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<v Speaker 1>there was nothing in all of this that tied the

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<v Speaker 1>campaign to the camp campaign to the Russians. Nothing including

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<v Speaker 1>at least the indictments of all those Russian guys, the

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<v Speaker 1>rush that's right. That that that and then the letter,

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<v Speaker 1>the bar letter. Um, I think that's where it was.

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<v Speaker 1>There's there's no winning, coopera, there was no winning talking

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<v Speaker 1>and nobody got used. So now we do know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>one thing that looked back for the president during all

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<v Speaker 1>of this is we found out that there was a

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<v Speaker 1>meeting between Donald Trump Jr. And and and Jared Krishner

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<v Speaker 1>and Paul Manafort with the Russian attorney Natalia vits on

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<v Speaker 1>that Skaya and that was something where apparently they were

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<v Speaker 1>hoping they could get some dirt from about Hillary Clinton

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<v Speaker 1>and it didn't happen. Would that have been collusion? I

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea. The other thing it seems pretty clear

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<v Speaker 1>is that Robert Mueller thought that he might be able

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<v Speaker 1>to tie Roger Stone to Julian A. Sage. And by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, I mean at this point in time, again,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a time when media believed all sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>things that Wicky leaks contended. And now according to this

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<v Speaker 1>UH report with Muller, there's like no question Juliana Sang

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<v Speaker 1>is related to Russia, and that's where a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>this information came from. But there seems to be absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>no proof that Roger Stone talked to Juliana Sans. He

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<v Speaker 1>might have boasted about it, he might have coincted that

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<v Speaker 1>he's had, but it just doesn't seem to have happened.

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<v Speaker 1>But back to your main point. Any anybody who was

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<v Speaker 1>astounded that there were no uh, you know, a collusion charges,

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy charges really ought to check themselves because they were

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<v Speaker 1>running and kind of running away with their their own

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<v Speaker 1>desires that's fair, that's right. And John Brennan, the former

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<v Speaker 1>CIA director, just a couple of weeks ago, was on

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<v Speaker 1>television saying that he expected, uh, he expected the Molo

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<v Speaker 1>report to come in sooner than it would He expected

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<v Speaker 1>indictments of the Jared Kushner and other members of the

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<v Speaker 1>Trump family, and of course he was completely wrong. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if he's still going to be on TV, stay saying

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff, how credible is he? What when when somebody

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<v Speaker 1>lies to you like that, do you keep going back

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<v Speaker 1>to them for information and then repeating it on television.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a question people have to deal with. I got

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<v Speaker 1>a good example of that I'll bring up in a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of minutes. But my final question for you would be,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not into this whole making people apologize thing. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think Rachel Maddow needs to go on our show

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<v Speaker 1>and apology. But do you think there's anybody in journalism

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<v Speaker 1>if you heard anything behind the scenes where anybody's thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe I ought to rethink the way I

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<v Speaker 1>go about things. I mean, does anybody feel like they

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<v Speaker 1>maybe did something wrong? How would you not? Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny because with this gaggle with Kelly Anne. There

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<v Speaker 1>were certain people who are asking the same question, how

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<v Speaker 1>you know Trump called people a trade or uh treason

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<v Speaker 1>is how who was he talking about? And there's they're

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<v Speaker 1>not They're not saying, see, we really got this wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just not doing it. And I think I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I need to name any names. We know who

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<v Speaker 1>they are. We've seen this before, right, And Matt Tybe

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<v Speaker 1>actually makes that point. We really need to take a

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<v Speaker 1>look at how we do our jobs, but we won't.

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<v Speaker 1>Debora J. Saunders does your job beautifully. White House, correspondent

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<v Speaker 1>for the Las Vegas Review Journal. Debra, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>Great to talk to you, my pleasure. Thank you all right,

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