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Speaker 1: doing our part. Michael Albanani man, what an interesting little
Speaker 1: blip in US history? He was, Oh, yeah, you know what,
Speaker 1: we need to find somebody's probably doing it, somebody with
Speaker 1: a bigger staff and budget than us. Stormy Daniel's lawyer, Right,
Speaker 1: can we come up with a montage of clips in
Speaker 1: which he is touted as a presidential candidate, a possible
Speaker 1: presidential candidate? Sewan? See if you can find that, I'll
Speaker 1: bet somebody's already done it. You got GFP congressman quoting Hitler,
Speaker 1: is mine comp to slam Trump's adversaries? That's that's just
Speaker 1: never gonna work, dude. Mo Brooks of Alabama took to
Speaker 1: the House floor on Monday to portray President Trump's detractors
Speaker 1: as Nazis. Hey, Moe Brooks les Hitler would be like,
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of Hitlers. Hilarious. But then, of
Speaker 1: course the Washington Post mentions that actually the quote he
Speaker 1: used had to do with Jews, and how to even
Speaker 1: use the quote means you like Hitler? Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: which is why you don't play the Hitler card. He
Speaker 1: was talking about the idea of the big lie, a
Speaker 1: lie so huge and audacious that it perversely it defies
Speaker 1: disbelief because you think somebody making claim that bold, there's
Speaker 1: got to be something to it, which is actually a
Speaker 1: really interesting it's still propaganda. Doesn't make any difference if
Speaker 1: mine comp has the best advice on how to handle
Speaker 1: the common cold cold from it, now, that's good advice
Speaker 1: right there. Debra J. Saunders joins us debray is the
Speaker 1: White House correspondent for the Las Vegas Review Journal, and
Speaker 1: when we last met yesterday, we were discussing the state
Speaker 1: of the American media, among other things. Hello, Debra, thanks
Speaker 1: for sparing us a few more minutes of your time,
Speaker 1: my pleasure. I'm standing outside and the White House North
Speaker 1: lawn right now. Oh really, what's what's the what's the
Speaker 1: general vibe around there today? I mean, is there a
Speaker 1: big giant xhil or not there tech care? I mean
Speaker 1: they're still tech. So Kelly and just came out and
Speaker 1: what happens is every way to her and throws up
Speaker 1: questions for her, and she was saying, oh, and there
Speaker 1: are number of questions on healthcare. And she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: so now you guys want to talk about healthcare? Right
Speaker 1: where were you before? And she's really just black And
Speaker 1: a lot of people were asking her, of course about
Speaker 1: uh some of the things that have been said by
Speaker 1: the administration, and she was she's kicked. So is they're not.
Speaker 1: They're not They're not relieved, they're mad. He's real functioning
Speaker 1: as the de facto press secretary at this point. Well,
Speaker 1: uh no, but she is a good she is a
Speaker 1: star again. I mean, it's an interesting thing for us
Speaker 1: to have seen because, um, you know you, tomp has
Speaker 1: not been really active on Twitter on this and instead
Speaker 1: he's let people like Kelly and Conway and Sarah Sanders yesterday,
Speaker 1: um and a lot of other people come out and
Speaker 1: talk for him instead. I think I think we're seeing
Speaker 1: a change in the president. Interesting. I'm not relieved, they're mad.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting headline out of this whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: tell us about it. Well, I think, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sure they're relieved that the fact that there was no
Speaker 1: findance collision as well. But they're failing here is that
Speaker 1: they never should have had to spend the last uh
Speaker 1: twenty months, uh whatever anyway, that they shouldn't have had
Speaker 1: to spend two years dealing with this, and that they'll
Speaker 1: calling was talking about how people were saying that this
Speaker 1: was an illegitimate president, and she was talking about the
Speaker 1: beginning of failing that people had when that dossier first
Speaker 1: came out and all of the restless stories that we
Speaker 1: saw on cable news about how this is really going
Speaker 1: to allow just something, and they're furious that their reputations
Speaker 1: got dragged through the mud. I think the question most
Speaker 1: of our listeners have is Deborah Saunders stands on the
Speaker 1: north lawn of the White House, is how does the
Speaker 1: north lawn compared to the south lawn. I'm assuming the
Speaker 1: south lawn is greener because it gets more sunshine and
Speaker 1: the south lawan I think also I'm looking at or
Speaker 1: I think that the security dogs pee. Now that's an
Speaker 1: so it's not nearly as it was well groomed. But
Speaker 1: of course the South Lan has to deal with Marine
Speaker 1: one landings, so every every every corner has its challenges here, guys,
Speaker 1: So onto the hot kind of tangential topic of the
Speaker 1: whole thing, which is the state of American journalism. And
Speaker 1: and Matt Taiebe in particular in Glenn Greenwald are just
Speaker 1: howling mad about the idea of if it fits your
Speaker 1: narrative or your biases, you will just gobble a whole whatever.
Speaker 1: In particular, the FBI and intelligence services tell you, and
Speaker 1: they think that is a shocking like an abandonment of
Speaker 1: journalists the journalistic principles, especially because you know, intelligence services
Speaker 1: in the FBI sometimes and this may shock you spread misinformation. Well,
Speaker 1: and as you know, I mean Glenn Greenwald is somebody
Speaker 1: who's highly skeptical of federal investigators and officials. And he's
Speaker 1: watching the press go so back and forth with this
Speaker 1: where they can be really skeptical of the CIA when
Speaker 1: it came to w m D at least eventually light
Speaker 1: and then decided anything that the CIA tells, uh, Donald
Speaker 1: Trump's he has to listen to. And there's this real
Speaker 1: back and forth that we've seen on so many other
Speaker 1: issues as well. But the media, the fact that there
Speaker 1: were people who were shocked that this was going to
Speaker 1: be the outcome, I don't know, over the weekend just
Speaker 1: amazes me because the signs were so clear that there
Speaker 1: was nothing to add. For instance, well, again, the way
Speaker 1: that we knew what was going on in the investigation is, uh,
Speaker 1: Robert Mueller would indict people or he would get guilty pleased,
Speaker 1: and they would lay out a case of what these
Speaker 1: people had done wrong. There were tax chiefs, there were
Speaker 1: bank chiefs, there were people who lied to investigators. But
Speaker 1: there was nothing in all of this that tied the
Speaker 1: campaign to the camp campaign to the Russians. Nothing including
Speaker 1: at least the indictments of all those Russian guys, the
Speaker 1: rush that's right. That that that and then the letter,
Speaker 1: the bar letter. Um, I think that's where it was.
Speaker 1: There's there's no winning, coopera, there was no winning talking
Speaker 1: and nobody got used. So now we do know. I mean,
Speaker 1: one thing that looked back for the president during all
Speaker 1: of this is we found out that there was a
Speaker 1: meeting between Donald Trump Jr. And and and Jared Krishner
Speaker 1: and Paul Manafort with the Russian attorney Natalia vits on
Speaker 1: that Skaya and that was something where apparently they were
Speaker 1: hoping they could get some dirt from about Hillary Clinton
Speaker 1: and it didn't happen. Would that have been collusion? I
Speaker 1: have no idea. The other thing it seems pretty clear
Speaker 1: is that Robert Mueller thought that he might be able
Speaker 1: to tie Roger Stone to Julian A. Sage. And by
Speaker 1: the way, I mean at this point in time, again,
Speaker 1: there was a time when media believed all sorts of
Speaker 1: things that Wicky leaks contended. And now according to this
Speaker 1: UH report with Muller, there's like no question Juliana Sang
Speaker 1: is related to Russia, and that's where a lot of
Speaker 1: this information came from. But there seems to be absolutely
Speaker 1: no proof that Roger Stone talked to Juliana Sans. He
Speaker 1: might have boasted about it, he might have coincted that
Speaker 1: he's had, but it just doesn't seem to have happened.
Speaker 1: But back to your main point. Any anybody who was
Speaker 1: astounded that there were no uh, you know, a collusion charges,
Speaker 1: conspiracy charges really ought to check themselves because they were
Speaker 1: running and kind of running away with their their own
Speaker 1: desires that's fair, that's right. And John Brennan, the former
Speaker 1: CIA director, just a couple of weeks ago, was on
Speaker 1: television saying that he expected, uh, he expected the Molo
Speaker 1: report to come in sooner than it would He expected
Speaker 1: indictments of the Jared Kushner and other members of the
Speaker 1: Trump family, and of course he was completely wrong. Now,
Speaker 1: if he's still going to be on TV, stay saying
Speaker 1: this stuff, how credible is he? What when when somebody
Speaker 1: lies to you like that, do you keep going back
Speaker 1: to them for information and then repeating it on television.
Speaker 1: There's a question people have to deal with. I got
Speaker 1: a good example of that I'll bring up in a
Speaker 1: couple of minutes. But my final question for you would be,
Speaker 1: I'm not into this whole making people apologize thing. I
Speaker 1: don't think Rachel Maddow needs to go on our show
Speaker 1: and apology. But do you think there's anybody in journalism
Speaker 1: if you heard anything behind the scenes where anybody's thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I ought to rethink the way I
Speaker 1: go about things. I mean, does anybody feel like they
Speaker 1: maybe did something wrong? How would you not? Well, you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny because with this gaggle with Kelly Anne. There
Speaker 1: were certain people who are asking the same question, how
Speaker 1: you know Trump called people a trade or uh treason
Speaker 1: is how who was he talking about? And there's they're
Speaker 1: not They're not saying, see, we really got this wrong.
Speaker 1: They're just not doing it. And I think I don't
Speaker 1: think I need to name any names. We know who
Speaker 1: they are. We've seen this before, right, And Matt Tybe
Speaker 1: actually makes that point. We really need to take a
Speaker 1: look at how we do our jobs, but we won't.
Speaker 1: Debora J. Saunders does your job beautifully. White House, correspondent
Speaker 1: for the Las Vegas Review Journal. Debra, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Great to talk to you, my pleasure. Thank you all right,
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