1 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:14,079 Speaker 1: With great power comes great responsibility. I think it was 2 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: Spider Man's uncle or something like that who said that, 3 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: But it wasn't wrong, right, And I'll say it's this, 4 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: With power comes responsibility, just does, especially especially when it 5 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: comes to government power and law enforcement power. That comes 6 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: with the highest level of responsibility. Why because if you're 7 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: someone at the FBI, you have the power, because you 8 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: have so many resources at your disposal, you can put 9 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: someone through the legal system. You have the power to 10 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: destroy anyone's life. Think about that. How would you deal 11 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 1: with that? How would you deal with having that kind 12 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: of power? Remember remember this too, They don't have to 13 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: end up with a conviction to have your life destroyed. 14 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: What's the worst crime do you think someone can commit? 15 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: I mean, murder, what, rape, robbery, whatever? The pedophilia. Pedophilia 16 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: is a great one. You know, the FBI has been 17 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: caught before planting child pornography on people's computers. Right, So 18 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 1: I want you to picture this. Maybe you're sitting there saying, 19 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about the FBI. I haven't 20 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: done anything wrong. What if the FBI plants child porn 21 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: on your computer and charges you? What will happen? How 22 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: will that work out for you, Well, they'll kick in 23 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: your door in the middle of the night, wife screaming, 24 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: kids screaming. They will confiscate your computer, and it'll take 25 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: about old fifteen seconds for every single friend and family 26 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: member to know the FBI has confiscated your computers and 27 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: they're charging you with horrific child pornography. You will need 28 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: a lawyer most definitely probably cost you. I would guess 29 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: half a million to a million dollars to challenge the FBI, 30 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: because remember, you're innocent. During the year you're going through 31 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: trial and pre trial, your wife is being barraged by 32 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: messages in public posts that her husband's some kind of 33 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: child petto she probably will leave you. If she doesn't 34 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: leave you, you will have to quit your job. Guaranteed, 35 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: she'll have to quit her as if she has when 36 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: kids won't be able to go to school anymore, You 37 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: and your family will most definitely have to leave town, 38 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: possibly even change your name. Keep in mind, you're completely innocent, 39 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: and maybe at the end of this year two year endeavor, 40 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: maybe that jury comes back and says what the FBI 41 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: plan at that now not guilty, not guilty, Huh, You're 42 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: still a million dollars poor or do you have a 43 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: million dollars your wife she's off with someone else. Now 44 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: your kids, hopefully they'll forgive you, but you lost two 45 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: years of them. You don't have your job, you don't 46 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: have your home, you don't have your neighborhood. That's power. 47 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: The FBI could do that to you tomorrow like that. 48 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: That's power. So if we have an FBI that is 49 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: now a communist activist organization setting up people on the right, 50 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: attacking the political opponents of Democrats, that's the most dangerous 51 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: thing happening in the United States of America by a mile, 52 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: because of the power they hold in their hands. January 53 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: sixth I know you saw the coverage on TV. You 54 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: do know the FBI was involved in that, right, I 55 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: mean you know the FBI, other federal organizations, they instigated 56 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: that thing. If not one hundred percent of it, at 57 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: least a good portion of it. Don't believe me. Oh, 58 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: don't worry. We'll have videotape showing that to you. It's 59 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: one EEO tape. We'll talk to Darren Beatty about that. Here. 60 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: Darren Beatty's going to tell you some jaw dropping things 61 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: about what took place on January sixth, things you've never 62 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: heard of before with pictures videotape. We're not talking about 63 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: internet conspiracy theory land. We're talking about in reality. It's 64 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: sure looking more and more like the federal government caused 65 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: January six to happen on purpose to justify a government 66 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: crackdown on political opponents of the Democrats. Are you worried 67 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: enough yet? And let's not do this thing where we 68 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: act like everything's brand new. And I've made this mistake 69 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: a hundred times. I know you probably have two if 70 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: I can't believe the FBI. The FBI's corrupt now. The 71 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: FBI's corrupt now. For a long long time, the Federal 72 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: Bureau of Investigation has taken that power, that incredible power 73 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: they have, and they have abused it, and they've abused 74 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: it without consequences. They've abused it without end and because 75 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: there aren't ever really consequences at all, they continue to 76 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: do it. Do remember Ruby Ridge, right? A lot of 77 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 1: people don't. A lot of people don't think about it. 78 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 1: They don't remember it. They don't even know when it is. 79 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,799 Speaker 1: Was that in the fifties or the eighties that Ruby 80 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: Ridge was in the nineties Randy Weaver. Randy Weaver was 81 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: a man. He was a Green Beret Special Forces. Randy 82 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: Weaver was a man who loved the United States of America, 83 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: wanted to serve the United States of America. Saw plenty 84 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: of things in his life that led him to very 85 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: much distrust the United States of America. So what did 86 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: Randy Weaver do? Separated himself. Hey, I'm gone. Hey, I 87 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: don't want to I just I don't want to be 88 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: part of any of this anymore. Randy Weaver found himself 89 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: in the mountains, himself and family, his family. Just became 90 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: one of those guys who could grow his own food, 91 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: kill his own food, his own water. Just one of 92 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: those off the greed guys. A bunch of them up 93 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: where I grew up in Montana too. They call them 94 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: all militias, you know, their Nazis. They're white supremacists. Some are, 95 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: some aren't. I don't know. I don't go to the meetings, 96 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: but this is a common thing, especially in places like 97 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: Montana and Idaho and elsewhere. So Randy Weaver starts going 98 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: to various meetings of various guys who are not happy 99 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: with the US government. They think the government's corrupt and broken, 100 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: and I mean, you could certainly make an argument for 101 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: those things. The Feds send somebody to Randy Weaver. Randy 102 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:43,239 Speaker 1: Weaver doesn't approach anybody. The Feds sends somebody to Randy Weaver. 103 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: And this somebody, this federal informant, tells Randy Weaver to 104 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: saw off a shotgun. That's it. You ever heard of 105 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: if it's sought off shotgun, maybe you've handled one yearself. 106 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: You take the barrel of a shotgun and you reduce 107 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: the length of it. Now, what that does is it 108 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: duces the range of the shotgun. But if you're close enough, 109 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: makes a big old mask of tho pellets come out, 110 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: and they just it's an ugly it's not going to 111 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: been a business. Well, of course, the federal government has 112 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: somehow decided that's their business, and they've made it illegal 113 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: to saw off too much. So a federal informant approached 114 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: Randy Weaver and had him do this, And then the 115 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: Feds decided to charge Randy Weaver with a crime after 116 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: clearly entrapping the man. That's entrapment. Can't do that's against 117 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: the law. They charged him with a crime. Randy told 118 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: him to go pounds. And what did they do? Did 119 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: they let it go, did they dismiss it. Did they 120 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: wait for a good time to approach Randy Weaver maybe 121 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: talk to him about it? No, no, no, no no no. 122 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: They sent heavily armed federal agents out to his land 123 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: where they would have weapons spy on him regularly. Randy 124 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: Weavers out hunting one day with his son and his 125 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: dog and they come across heavily armed men on their property. 126 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: What would you do if you took your dog for 127 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: a walk on your property and found heavily armed men 128 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: there and your dog barking and going after them. Well, 129 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: a gun fight ensued. By the time Ruby Ridge was done, 130 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: Randy Weaver's wife was dead, his dog was dead, son 131 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: was dead. You know how many people with the FBI 132 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: went to jail over that. None? Well, one guy in 133 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 1: the end, some paper pusher in DC went to jail 134 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: for obstruction of justice or you're something a year or later. 135 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: But no one held to account, No one who pulled 136 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: the trigger, No one who killed that guy's son, his dog, 137 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: his wife. Nobody. Waco, I mean, Waco might even be worse. Okay, 138 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: so there's some weird occult in Waco Texas weird called 139 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: very David Koresh, very odd human being, and like all cults, 140 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: you know you're gonna tracked the dregs of society. People 141 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: lost looking for answers, and that's really what it was. 142 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: They were just a poor call. They didn't have any money, 143 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: they were half of the people were starving to death, 144 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: and they were out at some big complex in Waco, Texas, 145 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: and the federal government decided they wanted him arrested. What 146 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: David Koresh was not exactly a hermit. He wasn't hidden 147 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: in a bunker out there. He was a man. He'd 148 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: go to town, he'd go for a run, you'd go 149 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: out and about. There were a thousand peaceful ways they 150 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: could have done it. Instead, they chose to surround and 151 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: assault the property. By the time they were done, who 152 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: knows how many women and children had burned to death, 153 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: died of smoke insulation shot by the ATF and FBI. 154 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: The Feds were so upset with what they'd done they 155 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: all posed for pictures in the ashes of the dead children, 156 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: and to this day they will post those pictures on 157 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: social media wagging about a job well done. The Federal 158 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: Bureau of investigation has the power to destroy your life 159 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: without you having done a single thing wrong. With that 160 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: kind of power comes gigantic responsibility. And if that organization 161 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: is now the weaponized arm at the Democratic Party, we 162 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: are in very deep trouble. All that may have made 163 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: you uncomfortable, but I'm right. We're going to talk to 164 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: a former undercover age and we'll ask him about Ruby 165 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: Ridge Waco. Next we get to talk to an undercover agent. Now, gosh, 166 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: that's so freaking cool. Joining me now, John Legato, veteran 167 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: FBI undercover agent, host of course of the John Legato 168 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: Show podcast, an author of the book The Comby Gang. 169 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: If you want to know just how dirty it is 170 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: in the FBI, highly recommended John. All right, before we 171 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: get to Ruby Ridge and Waco and all the other stuff, 172 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: just please tell me it was so cool being an 173 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: undercover agent. That's awesome. You know, it really was cool. 174 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: And in fact, when they ended the case, I was 175 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: begging to continue it because my last backstopping I was 176 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: as silent owner of a high end gentleman's club and 177 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: I had been doing that for four years, so you know, 178 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: plus and the mafia. No go ahead, sorry, sorry, go ahead, no, No, 179 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: I'm saying I had great food, great food. I ain't 180 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: good for four years. You ain't good in a gentleman's 181 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: club for four years and got paid for doing it. 182 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: Well done, John, all Right. Ruby Ridge. A lot of people, unbelievably, 183 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 1: a lot of people aren't aware of Ruby Ridge, or 184 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: they're they're aware of it. Was there was some scandal 185 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: what was that the seventies that But for people who 186 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: never heard, don't know what the story is. What was 187 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 1: the story of Ruby Ridge. It was a horrible story. 188 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: What happened. And if you remember is al Gore was 189 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: trying to organize the government, so ATF was afraid they 190 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: were going to get picked up by the FBI and 191 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: be part of the FBI. So they wanted to do something, 192 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: you know big. So Ruby Ridge was this guy named 193 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: Randy Weaver. He was a former Green Beret. He was 194 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: a survivalist. And what Randy wanted to do he was 195 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: in guns. He was in the area Nation Brotherhood and 196 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: near Naples, Idaho, Wh's that whole area was preppers and 197 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: Christian fundamentalists and John Bircher's and it wasn't unusual to 198 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: have guns in that section of the country. So the 199 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: ATF rolls this guy, I think Fadly, and they say, 200 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: you got to get us Randy Weaver. Now what people 201 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: don't know is this Badly goes to Weaver, it meets 202 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: him at an Aria Nation meeting and says, look, Randy, 203 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: I need to buy some weapons, sawt off shotguns. So 204 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: Randy says, yeah, okay, So he cut down a sawt 205 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: off shot He cut down a shotgun. And the problem 206 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 1: is when he solved it back to this Fadly, it 207 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 1: was not legal or illegal. They buy half an inch 208 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 1: or something. So ATF says, listen, this is an illegal. 209 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: You have to go get him to solve more of 210 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: the shotgun. So he did, and they had a warrant 211 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: for Randy and what happened next was a beginning of 212 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: a series of events that never should have happened. John, 213 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: How do we get from what you just described, which, honestly, 214 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: that alone is just it's awful to sound. But how 215 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: do we get from what you just described to a 216 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: dead dog, a dead wife, a dead son that it 217 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: just seems like a million miles away from what you 218 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: just described. How did we get there? Slowly? But first 219 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: of all, I was entrapment entrapman, basically, without getting deep 220 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: into weeds, is making somebody do something they normally wouldn't do. 221 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: So with Randy Weaver being guns, but first of all, 222 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: you know when the informant asked them to do it, 223 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: he asked him to sell it off. So you have 224 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: a problem right there. I mean, if you the best 225 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: way I can explain entrapment is say that I'm dealing 226 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: with a fence for ten years. I'm selling them stolen 227 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: goods and I come to the one day and said 228 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: I need drugs, and they say to me, I don't 229 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: deal with drugs. I just deal in stolen goods. And 230 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: I say, well, I'll give you one hundred thousand dollars 231 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: for two kilos and they do it. That's entrapment. I 232 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: made him do something they normally wouldn't do. They were fenced. 233 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: You know, they don't stolen goods, they didn't deal in drugs. 234 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: So the premise for this whole thing was trapman. And 235 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: that's why basically the only person who went to jail 236 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: was a person who never stepped foot at Ruby Ridge, 237 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: which was a good friend of mine by the name 238 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: of Mike Vehoe. But what happened is the marshals indicted 239 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: him or they issued a warrant. He didn't show up 240 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: for the gun charges, and then they issued a bench warrant. 241 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: And the Marshal Services was doing reconnaissance every day on 242 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: his property. And one day Randy Weaver was out there 243 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: with a friend named Harris, his son and a dog, 244 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: and they ran into the marshals. And it's debatable they 245 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: still don't know who shot first, but it doesn't really matter. 246 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: They killed Weaver's son the dog and wounded this Harris, 247 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: and so begot Ruby Ridge. That was the beginning of 248 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: Ruby Ridge. How did it end? Well, it ended horribly 249 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: because what happened was the rules of engagement. At F 250 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: takes the lead and they surround the place, and the 251 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: marshals surround the place, and just like in Waco, they 252 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: called the FBI Hostage Rescue Team in so this Mike 253 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: Vejo is a high level bureau official in Washington. He 254 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: gets a call, Mike, we need you to be the 255 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: logistician on this Ruby Ridge thing. We need so many toilets, 256 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: so much, there's so much food. So that was his job. 257 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: So keep that in mind. So they surround the place 258 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: and ATF doesn't know what they're doing. When it comes 259 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: to sort of sieges and hostage negotiations, they just they're 260 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: not prepared for that. So the FBI takes over. So 261 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: the assistant director was Larry Potts, and he's flying to 262 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: Ruby Ridge and they're talking about the rules of engagement. 263 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: Our rules of engagement have always been you can kill 264 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: someone if you're life is in danger or somebody else's. 265 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: About the fourth or fifth day of the siege, somebody 266 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: and it had to be Larry Potts or the FBI 267 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: commander on site changes the rules of engagement to shoot 268 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: any mail with a weapon that they see. Now, there 269 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: were other squat teams up there, and there was police 270 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: officers from squat teams from from different municipalities. When they 271 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: got there was rules of engagement. They said, this isn't right, 272 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: this isn't right, this isn't what we do, this isn't 273 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: Some of them refused to do it. But what happened 274 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: is at the point that Randy Weaver came out, their 275 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: helicopters were gone by, and Randy Weaver came out with 276 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: his friend Harris, and they had guns. They weren't shooting 277 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: at the helicopter. So our sniper lan Haruchi shot the 278 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 1: first shot I think hit Randy Weaver, and they were 279 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: running back into the cabin, and he took a second 280 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: shot and it hit Harris, but it went through and 281 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: shot Randy Weaver's wife, Vicky in the head as she 282 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: was holding the baby. So so now you got a real, 283 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: you know, craft storm because the rules of engagement. Somebody 284 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: changed the rules of engage. I know who did it. 285 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: I mean because Mike Bay who told me, and you 286 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 1: know it. But that was the big issue up there. 287 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: That and atf wanted to know. Didn't want to get 288 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: squallowed up into the FBI, so they wanted something big 289 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: and the result of this, Randy Weaver got a lot 290 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: of money. Nobody want to Randy Weaver didn't go to jail. 291 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: Harris didn't go to jail, and they killed the marshall. 292 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: Somebody killed the marshal the first day. They were charged 293 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: with murder. They were charged with, you know, conspiracy and guns. 294 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: The only thing Randy Weaver got in trouble for at 295 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: the end of this, after getting several million dollars was 296 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: his failure to report to the court. That said, all 297 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: the other Harris and everybody else they sued and they 298 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: got money. So that tells you that there was a big, 299 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: major screw up. Anybody get in trouble with the FBI. 300 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: One person, my buddy, Mike Vehu. And here's what happened 301 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: to Mike Vehu. This isn't known. So Mike Vehu is 302 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: back at headquarters. He never left DC. So after this 303 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: all happened, the on site commander was Eugene Glenn, who 304 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: was a good guy. So they called this big meeting 305 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: in Washington with the FBI and all the people that 306 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: were involved in Ruby Ridge. And the day of the meeting, 307 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: now Mike Vehu is just a logistician. Larry Potts was 308 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: supposed to be there, and the unseen commander HRT guy. 309 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: They come in to meet with Mike Vehu before the 310 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: meeting and they said, we're taking his sick leave, you 311 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: take the meeting. So all of a sudden you had 312 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: Eugene Glen and the SWAT guy and the Marshalls and 313 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: they're saying, Mike, who gave the change of the rules 314 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: of engagement? And Mike said, I don't know. So Eugene Glenn, 315 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: who was the sac there, got reprimanded. So they asked Mike. 316 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: They said, Mike you do an after action report. He 317 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: said that wasn't even there. Well, they said, you do 318 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: an after action report. So he doesn't after action report, 319 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: and he didn't like the way it looked, but it 320 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: was typed up. It was in the computer, I guess, 321 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,479 Speaker 1: and he tossed it. So a year later they come 322 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: up to Mike and say, listen, we have you on 323 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: obstruction of justice. We want you to turn into person 324 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: that changed the rules of engagement or you're going to jail. 325 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: And Mike vy who said, I don't know. I think 326 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: he did know, and he went to jail. He was 327 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: He went to jail for obstruction. He actually went to prison. 328 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,239 Speaker 1: The only man that wasn't air, the only man they 329 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: had nothing to do with anything other than that piece 330 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: of paper. And they said, if you give us who 331 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: changed the rules of engagement, we'll let you go. And 332 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:15,239 Speaker 1: poor Mike bo to his death. I've talked to him 333 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: many times, I've done some interviews with him, and I'm 334 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: he just passed away. But he was a good man. 335 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: He was innocent and he should have never suffered like 336 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: he did for some bureaucrats who changed the rules of engagement. 337 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: It was a high up person it was very high up. 338 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: All right. Then let's switch gears here Waco. And it 339 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: sounds like they're unconnected or people don't realize that there 340 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: is some sort of a common thread through these things. 341 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: But okay, some wing nut has a little weird occult 342 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: in Waco, Texas. How does that end up with a 343 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: bunch of children being burned? Ash? Yeah, that's interesting. Okay, 344 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: So we have Ruby Ridge and I think Waco was 345 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: a few months six to eight months after so ATF 346 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: took a lot of heat over Ruby Ridge. So they 347 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 1: have information of this cult. But this cult wasn't bothering anybody. 348 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: They had guns. They reported that they had tons of guns. 349 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: Came out later they had like seventy six guns. But 350 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: they someone said, and we don't even know who at 351 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: this point that they were transitioning semi automatics and automatic weapons. 352 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: Hence ATF got a search warrant. Now here's the crazy thing, 353 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: and people don't know this. Every day David Koresh would 354 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: go for a jog outside the compound every day. So 355 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: ATF all they had to do. Now, if I was 356 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: running that operation, why not snatch him up while he's 357 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: running and get him? You know, we'll execute the warrant. 358 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: What they wanted is they called the news media because 359 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: they needed to get back at the good graces of 360 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: the public. And a mailman passes by, you know, like 361 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: two miles from the compound, like you know, hundreds of 362 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: vehicles and people, and he's delivering mail and he knocks 363 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: on the door of the compound and David Koresh opens. 364 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: He said, hey, hey, there's like a million federal officers 365 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: down the road here. So they knew they were coming. 366 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: They did not have to execute the warrant in the 367 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: way they did, but they wanted the publicity. All they 368 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: had to do was grab Koresh on his morning run. 369 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: That's all they had to do. Okay. So Janet Reno, 370 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: what's her connection to all this? She was brand new. 371 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: I had lunch with her after Ruby Ridge. She was 372 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: brand new as he turned in general, she told me 373 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: she was getting misinformation. She wasn't getting the complete information 374 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: on what was going on at Waco. So what days 375 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: said and actually that the government was exonerated after many, 376 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: many investigations. I had a classmate from the FBI academy 377 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 1: that was a hostage negotiator, and he would call me 378 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: up after negotiations with Koresh, and he played some of 379 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 1: the negotiation. Koresh was wounded at this time. He was 380 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: losing blood. He was delirious and you could not even 381 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: understand him. He was talking about the seven levels of 382 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: something religious. He was, you know, just out of it. 383 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: The only problem is they gassed the thing. There's accusations 384 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,959 Speaker 1: that they killed the children with gas. I don't know 385 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: about that. But who set the fires was Koresh? There 386 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: was the Branch Davidians. Okay, so do you think the 387 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: Branch Davidians killed those kids? How the kids died well 388 00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: on the fire. Yeah, Look, Koresh was a pervert and 389 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: he was a musician. I don't know if the two 390 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: go together. I'm sorry if i but he was both 391 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: those things, and and he was ordering you know who 392 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: he would have sex with. I mean, he told husband 393 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: and wives, you can't to the guy, you can't have 394 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: sex with anymore then, and there is an accusation he 395 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: was having sex with underaged children. I don't know if 396 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: that's that was pretty strong. But he was a pervert 397 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: in terms of you know, this call he was having 398 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: and he was just at the end that you know, 399 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 1: the bottom line was that he he forced it. He 400 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: was lighting the fires because the FBI had microphones in there, 401 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: and you can hear clearly the Davidians saying, put the 402 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: fire over here, like the fire over here. The tank thing. 403 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I would have just waited 404 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: them out. I would have just waited. And I think 405 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 1: that's the new method, the new rules of engagement on 406 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: that type of just waited them out. They're in there. 407 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: I mean, why do you got to shoot it them, 408 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: especially with children. I never understood the sort of have 409 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: to go in and clear it. I mean, I was 410 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: a marine in Vietnam. It's one thing of people are 411 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: shooting at you. But Davidians during the seeds were just 412 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: in there. I mean they were starving, they were, you know, talking, 413 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: they had conversations with the bureau. But to attack them, 414 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: and no sense they would have come out eventually. They 415 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: would have, you know, they had to come out eventually. 416 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I appreciate you. Excuse me, I said, 417 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: thank you so much. I appreciate you very much. Well, Jesse. Yeah, 418 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: samprify to you, and thanks for having me. Samprify sir, 419 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: that gone marine in Vietnam. That's a good man right there, 420 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: all right, Darren Beatty January sixth, the FBI involved in 421 00:26:54,119 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: January sixth. I who didn't you go into the capitol? 422 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: The capital? He's that done? Okapaking we go to the capitol, 423 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: the capitol of this direction. I wonder who that guy 424 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: is joining me now, the founder of Revolver News, guy 425 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: who's been all over this and then other things, Darren Baby, Darren. 426 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: Who's Ray Epps? Who is that gentleman who wants to 427 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: go in the capitol? You know, that's a great question. 428 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: What I can say is Ray Epps is the only 429 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: individual in the Mountains of January six video footage who's 430 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: caught repeatedly, insistently, emphatically urging people to go into the 431 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: capitol as early as January fifth, and the best of 432 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: my knowledge, he's the first person, and one of the 433 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: handful of people at all who's caught pronouncing this mission 434 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: to go into the capitol that far in advance. His 435 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: behavior was so egregious that he was one of the 436 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: first twenty people listed on the FBI Most Wanted list 437 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: for January six. He was a star player in The 438 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: New York Times's video documentary Date of Rage, and depicted 439 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: as one of the handful of people who knew about 440 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: the Capitol siege in advance. But now, curiously, amazingly, everything 441 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: has reversed and he is the only not only is 442 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: he unarrested, unindicted, he is the only January sixth riot 443 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: participant about whom Adam Kinsinger will have nice things to say, 444 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: and about whom The New York Times will write a dedicated, 445 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: full puff piece. And it's it's a very strange affair, 446 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: and I'm happy to talk more about it. Oh, I 447 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: would love for you to talk more about it, because, boy, 448 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: I noticed that what was that yesterday or the day before, 449 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: I don't remember. Maybe he was last week, who knows, 450 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: the New York Times. It wasn't just a little article either. 451 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: I had my guys printed off because I wanted to 452 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: read it. It was like ten thousand words on what 453 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: a saint this poor ray Hips has been. He's been 454 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: attacked by the right boy. Why would the New York 455 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: Times fall in love with this guy so much? I 456 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: do wonder, Darren, You know, that's a fantastic question, and 457 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: it's it's really so bizarre, because he really is such 458 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: a smoking gun of this ftsurrection. You would think, why 459 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: renew public attention on this guy at all by featuring 460 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: him in this New York Times piece. I suspect it's 461 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: a damage control effort for still more inconvenient evidence coming 462 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: out in the near future. Possibly, But it really is remarkable. 463 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: And there are three things that I'd like to note 464 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: about this New York Times piece. One, the whole piece 465 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: is a sympathy puff piece, yet it contains no blanket 466 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: explicit denial that Epps was acting at the direction of 467 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: any government agency. The reason this is interesting is that 468 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: Ray Epps, through his lawyer, who incidentally is a nine 469 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: year veteran of the Phoenix FBI Field Office, through his lawyer, 470 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: issued a statement to the January sixth Committee, as reported 471 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: by the Committee, saying he is not part of the 472 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: FBI and he has never been a member of a 473 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: law enforcement agency. And the denial kept curiously leaning on 474 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: the specific formulation that included law enforcement agency. Now this 475 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: would leave open, for instance, the Department of Homeland Security, 476 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: Military Intelligence, Joint Terrorism pass Force, and so forth. And 477 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: in an interview with Epps's lawyer conducted by The Epic Times, 478 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: I believe the interviewer asked the lawyer, So, what is 479 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: it with all these allegations. Lawyer said, unequivocally, Epps is 480 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: not FBI is not an FBI informant, unequivocally. And then 481 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: the follow up question was, well, was he acting at 482 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: the direction of any US government agency, intelligence, law enforcement, 483 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: or otherwise. And the response to that, by contrast, was 484 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: not to my knowledge. So the New York Times piece 485 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: did not clear the record on that and offer any 486 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: blanket denial. It simply repeated this legalistic denial of being 487 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: involved with law enforcement. Number two, The New York Times 488 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: piece describes Epps as a Trump supporter who just went 489 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: to Washington to defend Trump, and in fact it was 490 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: just the last minute deal. Ray Epps and his son 491 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: decided on a whim to go from Arizona to Washington, 492 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: DC because they wanted to hear Trump's speech on election fraud. Well, 493 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: the piece, amazingly, really criminally from a journalistic standpoint, fails 494 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: to inform the reader that ray Epps did not even 495 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: go to Trump's speech. So ray Epps, the alleged Trump supporter, 496 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: travels all the way from Arizona to DC to listen 497 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: to this speech, and he doesn't go to the speech, 498 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: and instead he sort of orchestrates the movement of people 499 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: to the capitol to follow up on his bizarre exhortations 500 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: to the crowds to go into the capitol the night before, 501 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: and he just happens to be conveniently prepositioned right by 502 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: the initial and decisive breach point on the west side 503 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: of the Capitol before Trump is even finished speaking. And 504 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: The New York Times doesn't ask, well, you say you 505 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: went to just watch the speech at the last minute, 506 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: whim why didn't you go to the speech? Time saysn't 507 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: asked that. And finally, and most importantly and most amazingly, 508 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: from the standpoint of this really sloppy, mop up janitorial 509 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: operation that The New York Times attempted to conduct, the 510 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: Times doesn't even explore the question of where did you 511 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: get the idea in the first place? Rayps, You're the 512 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: first person on camera repeatedly insistently urging people to go 513 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: into the capitol, and the reception of your exhortation so strange. 514 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: People thought your behavior was so strange, so bizarre, so 515 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: out of place that they immediately accused you of being 516 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: a the And you were not deterred. In fact, you 517 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: kept insisting that people go into the capitol. So where 518 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: did you get this idea in the first place, and 519 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 1: why were you so vigorously insistent upon it despite the 520 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: sub zero buying temperature of the crowd when you first 521 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 1: proposed this idea. And the New York Times piece will say, oh, 522 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 1: what a poor guy, he's a victim of these conspiracy theories, 523 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: but it won't ask those absolutely critical, fundamental, obvious, core questions. 524 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: It really is an embarrassment even by New York Times standards. 525 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: And that is saying something because New York Times has 526 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: some low, low standards. But but you know, he's not alone, Darren. 527 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: When it comes to January sixth, whose fence cutter bullwork? 528 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: Who's the scaffold commander? Who are who are these people? 529 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: What is with these names? Who are these people? You know, 530 00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: that's a fantastic question, Jesse. And really the video is 531 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: what says it all. And so I urge everyone go 532 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: to Revolver dot News click on our January sixth series. 533 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: Read all of it, but in particular the two part 534 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: series on rayps and the reading is great, but the 535 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: video really says it all. And the individuals that you 536 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: mentioned again, these are individuals who are prepositioned at that 537 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: initial breach point before the Proud Boys even arrived there. 538 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: And that's critical because the Proud Boys, according to official narrative, 539 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: are the fall guys there what kicked everything off. The 540 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,359 Speaker 1: Proud Boys kicked off that initial breach on the west 541 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: side of the Capitol. Not really. The video footage shows 542 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: that there are people hanging out at that initial breach 543 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: point before the Proud Boys got there, and the people 544 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: hanging out there ended up having real critical decisive roles 545 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: in allowing the rally to turn into a riot. So 546 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: one individual you mentioned, Bence Cutter Bulwark, He's caught on 547 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: camera methodically removing fencing such that when the you know, 548 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: this is during Trump's speech, So when the crowd finally 549 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: gets to the Capitol after Trump's speech, all of the 550 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 1: fencing has gone, so the people don't even know that 551 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 1: they're entering restricted territory. That's why this is such a 552 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: critical move of people removing fencing in advance of the 553 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: arrival of the main crowd. The other individual, Scaffold Commander, 554 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,280 Speaker 1: plays a critical role. He's there. He's also removing fencing 555 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 1: as Trump is speaking but he finds a way to 556 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: position himself at the top of that scaffolding, the top 557 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 1: of that tower that I guess was there because of 558 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: the Biden's inauguration coming up, and he with his bullhorn 559 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: was repeatedly, constantly, incessantly for hours belching out to the crowd, saying, 560 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: move forward, move forward, we need your help, move forward. Now, 561 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 1: think about this as a matter of basic crowd psychology. 562 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: You go, you hear Trump's speech as they're doing all 563 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: these shenanikins, they're preparing the booby trap in advance. Then 564 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,800 Speaker 1: you head over to the Capitol. You don't see any fencing, 565 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 1: so you don't even know that you're technically committing a 566 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 1: crime going on capital grounds for stricted grounds. Then you 567 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: hear this booming, incessant, authoritative voice saying move forward, move forward, 568 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: we need your help. You don't know if there was 569 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 1: some kind of medical emergency and someone's directing the crowd 570 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,800 Speaker 1: to make ways for medical professionals to provide assistance. You 571 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: don't know anything. Maybe you're not even thinking about it. 572 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 1: And just as a matter of basic conditioning, you hear 573 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 1: move forward over and over, and anyone moves forward. Just 574 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 1: the nature of you know, the brownie in motion, so 575 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 1: to speak, of crowds as such that if the front 576 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,760 Speaker 1: moves forward, everyone moves forward. This guy kept saying move forward. 577 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,839 Speaker 1: And then when the capital was actually breached and people 578 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 1: started going into the capitol imediately, the same scaffolic commander 579 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: kept saying, go into the capitol, Go into the capitol. 580 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: Fill the capitol, fill the bleachers, go in. Help help 581 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,399 Speaker 1: your friend over the fence, help your fend over here. 582 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 1: And it was so methodical, it was so essential to 583 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: everything that was happening. And yet, unlike Epps, this scaffold Commander, 584 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,399 Speaker 1: Northwest scaffold Commander, as he's known by researchers, not only 585 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: is he not arrested, he's not on the FBI most wanted. 586 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: He hasn't even been identify. And you would think with 587 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: the full resources of the US government they would at 588 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: least go to the effort of figuring out who this 589 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 1: guy is. And the question is, if they already know 590 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: who he is, why the hell hasn't he been arrested, 591 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: Because I would say, you know, Ray Epps's behavior is 592 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 1: sort of more fit for prime time. There's such a 593 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: sort of natural vir reality to his behavior of saying 594 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 1: go into the Capitol. But in an objective terms, I 595 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: would say Northwest scaffold commanders at least as egregious as 596 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: ray Epps in terms of his behavior at least as suspicious, 597 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: and unlike ray Epps, as I mentioned, he hasn't even 598 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 1: been identified. I want to encourage everybody to go to 599 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: Revolver and pick apart everything Darren has done on this. 600 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 1: It really is incredible journalism working. Darren. Just I'm going 601 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 1: to ask you something I shouldn't ask you, but you're 602 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: the expert's expert. You collect all this evidence, all this video, 603 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,839 Speaker 1: all this You've been digging into this stuff for so long. 604 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,840 Speaker 1: What do you believe the Fed's role in January sixth 605 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: was I'm asking you for an opinion, No more of 606 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 1: your journalism stuff. What's your opinion? What do you believe 607 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 1: they did? You know, that's such an important question, and 608 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 1: there are different, you know, tiers to how I could 609 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,280 Speaker 1: answer that. I mean the fact that I'm comfortable calling 610 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: this offense direction to suggest that at the very least 611 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,320 Speaker 1: the FEDS kind of knew what was going to go 612 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: down and let it happen, and that there was a 613 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: subset of operators that in all likelihood included Epps, included 614 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 1: scaffold commander who were not authentic actors on that day. 615 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: And so even if they weren't taking a direct paycheck 616 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: from the FBI, they could have been working at the 617 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: direction of some government agency or cut out of that 618 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:35,800 Speaker 1: agency and really played a critical role in creating that 619 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 1: booby trap, to create the kind of physical and proud 620 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: psychological conditions for that to turn into what it turned into. 621 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: And that I'm comfortable saying with extreme confidence. But as 622 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,399 Speaker 1: to the precise configuration, I think that's it's a very 623 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 1: interesting question, and you have to go back, I think, 624 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:02,879 Speaker 1: to the nature of sort of government involvement in these affairs. Really, 625 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 1: you know, goes back a long way. But I'm thinking 626 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,919 Speaker 1: back to the nineties with all of the government operations 627 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,760 Speaker 1: to infiltrate militia groups and to infiltrate crowds, and actually 628 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,839 Speaker 1: Merrick Garland was a big part of that. He had 629 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: the domestic extremism profiled in the Bill Clinton's White House, 630 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: and so there's a big deeper history to how all 631 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: of this plays out. In my personal opinion, Epps was 632 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: probably some type of you know, on and on operative, 633 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: but again, the configuration remains obscure as to you know, 634 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 1: how these networks actually work. I think part of the 635 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: reason Rayeps was caught with his pants down, so to speak, 636 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,399 Speaker 1: is probably due to his age, you know, as someone 637 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 1: of that age who may have been, you know, involved 638 00:41:54,480 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 1: in operations. It's like, your software isn't Billy, your software 639 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,280 Speaker 1: does not reflect the fact that people are holding phones 640 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,359 Speaker 1: and recording you at all times. And I think it's 641 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting, and I think these types of 642 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 1: operations were a lot easier to get away with before 643 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 1: the kind of the cell phone age that allowed for 644 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: ubiquitous recording, and also the Internet age, which allowed for 645 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 1: kind of the nass dissemination of those recordings. And I 646 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,399 Speaker 1: think someone like Epps, although obviously he knew that cell 647 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,919 Speaker 1: phones existed, it's just it didn't filter into his sort 648 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,320 Speaker 1: of instinctual operational sense that look, man, you're being recorded. 649 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,400 Speaker 1: He was on live stream on January fifth, and I 650 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 1: think there's one part of the live stream where Epps 651 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 1: sort of like makes a joke about the live stream 652 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 1: that reflects the fact he doesn't really quite understand what 653 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 1: it is. And so I think the kind of Ray 654 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 1: Epps moment, in my opinion, is made possible by the 655 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 1: fact that Epps was conducting a kind of an operation 656 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,840 Speaker 1: along the lines of what may have happened in the past, 657 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:11,279 Speaker 1: but wasn't conducting himself with a kind of operational security 658 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 1: that is appropriate for the age of cell phones and internet. 659 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 1: And we're the lucky ones, I guess, because at least 660 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 1: we have it a glimmer of what actually January six 661 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: was all about. And it's very important because there's so 662 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,240 Speaker 1: much at stake here. And I think that's also important 663 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,319 Speaker 1: to keep in mind the government and the regime. They're 664 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 1: using the false narrative of January six as a pretext 665 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:41,959 Speaker 1: to reconfigure the entire national security apparatus against American people 666 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 1: for political reasons, to politically target the energies associated with 667 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,520 Speaker 1: movements like the Trump movement. And that's why this is 668 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 1: so dangerous. Well, but it's truly dangerous. There go read 669 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,840 Speaker 1: all this stuff. Thank you, my brother, I appreciate you. 670 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:19,359 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. All Right, we got final thoughts next. Look, 671 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: I care about so many of the issues facing this country, 672 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: so so many of the things you care about, inflation, 673 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 1: gas prices, open borders. That these are all incredibly important things. 674 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 1: The culture war stuff, stuff we talk about all the time. 675 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,759 Speaker 1: I care, like you care, I'm with you. Those aren't 676 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,480 Speaker 1: the most dangerous things happening in this country. The Federal 677 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 1: Bureau of Investigation being a bunch of activists Democrats, that's 678 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 1: the most dangerous thing going on in the country, because 679 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,840 Speaker 1: they have the power to destroy your life. They can 680 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,600 Speaker 1: destroy the life of the President of the United States 681 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 1: all the way down to you and everyone in between. 682 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,360 Speaker 1: That has to be stopped. All right, We'll do it 683 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:10,440 Speaker 1: again in the in the in the will, and in 684 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:11,320 Speaker 1: they give, will be