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Speaker 2: Because you got it. It's chest like yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's up?

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Speaker 4: Everybody on Peanut Tillman And this is the NFL Player's

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Speaker 4: Second Acts podcast and with me as always as my

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Speaker 1: I thought you was gonna say camouflage, but thank you.

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Speaker 1: Really excited for our next guest. I'll consider friend West

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Speaker 1: because I'm just I just did not see him doing

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Speaker 4: Well, he was one of the fastest receivers to ever

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Speaker 4: play the game while he played. During his fifteen year career,

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Speaker 4: he accumulated over eleven thousand yards All Pro Pro bowler.

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Speaker 4: Now he's the head coach at Delaware stated.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the pod. Missed did

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Speaker 1: Seawan Jackson.

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Speaker 2: A little? Appreciate you all for having me doing many.

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Speaker 1: I'm good baby West Coast Finance. Right here, how are

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Speaker 3: And I'm blessed man, you know, kind of stepping out

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Speaker 2: Like what do y'all think about me being the here coach?

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Speaker 3: You know, I got nothing but great feedback. So that's

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Speaker 3: We're gonna make mistakes, but just really correcting the mistakes

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Speaker 3: So you know, we put them to triple the wins,

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Speaker 1: Shout out Delaware State eight and four. They only won

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Speaker 2: Two years for that for real. Both years.

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Speaker 2: The review for every one, so sir, and it's.

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Speaker 3: So you know, I tipped my head off to Tony Isllen,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, craz who had more Pro Bowls out of all

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Speaker 2: Out of Willia McGinnis.

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Speaker 1: Will Willie came from Long Beach probably too. Party damn Wolves,

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Speaker 3: So nothing against it back then day. You know, hey,

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Speaker 4: It plays a huge role into you and you you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody looks at Jerry Rice as that guy there.

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Speaker 3: My I think going to going back to when we

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Speaker 3: for homecoming, so you know, we felt a way about that.

442
00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,240
Speaker 3: They booked us for homecoming. So I'm like, well, they

443
00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,840
Speaker 3: think it's sweet. And you know, at this time, we think,

444
00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:01,640
Speaker 3: you know, we was think we was over five hundred.

445
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Speaker 2: We was plus five hundred.

446
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Speaker 3: So we came into that game and it was it

447
00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,280
Speaker 3: was a tough battle, but we went in there. The atmosphere,

448
00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:11,600
Speaker 3: for sure, for a Black Cotche HBC is second to nothing,

449
00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,240
Speaker 3: Like I've never experienced it, Like you know, you get

450
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Speaker 3: what I'm saying. For me going to Cow and just

451
00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,919
Speaker 3: not really experiencing that, I was like, man, this is

452
00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:21,440
Speaker 3: I probably wouldn't even made it the league. I ain't

453
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Speaker 3: gonna lie. If I would have went to Black Couche,

454
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Speaker 3: probably wouldn't have made it. So kudos to you, but

455
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Speaker 3: y'all just think going in there, man, going in their back,

456
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Speaker 3: we said, good, walk in your trap and take over

457
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Speaker 3: your trap.

458
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Speaker 2: That was our model.

459
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Speaker 3: And it was just something about us going in there man,

460
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Speaker 3: with with our backs against the one nobody really believe

461
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Speaker 3: in us. Like throughout the whole meet, I think we

462
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Speaker 3: was like underdogs until probably like the second or third

463
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Speaker 3: or the last second to third last games.

464
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Speaker 2: But yeah, man, it was.

465
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Speaker 3: It was a huge thing, man, just to see them

466
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Speaker 3: young boys man really take gratitude and take ownership into

467
00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,520
Speaker 3: like every game. Basically people feeling like we was the underdogs. Man,

468
00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,520
Speaker 3: we came out and you know, we prevailed.

469
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Speaker 1: And we'll be right back.

470
00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,000
Speaker 4: We asked a lot of our guests that come on

471
00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,840
Speaker 4: the show, Mount Rushmore, you are who you are because

472
00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,959
Speaker 4: the community, the people, the people that have helped you.

473
00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,400
Speaker 4: If you could put four people on your personal Mount Rushmore,

474
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Speaker 4: who would those four people be.

475
00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,000
Speaker 2: Like people to kind of help me get to one mat?

476
00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:20,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, on the field, off the field coaching parent?

477
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Speaker 3: Who is I wish I wish I could say more

478
00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:23,800
Speaker 3: than for it, but alas I would go for it,

479
00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,879
Speaker 3: But uh, I would say for sure, my mother, you know,

480
00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:33,600
Speaker 3: my my background, my backbone, Uh, my dad, uh my sister.

481
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Speaker 1: Why are your pops?

482
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Speaker 2: Man? Pops? Was he was a rolling stone man? He was?

483
00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,119
Speaker 2: Was was she knew what he wanted.

484
00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,400
Speaker 3: Obviously, he wasn't able to really play growing up because

485
00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,680
Speaker 3: he lived in Pittsburgh and his pops made him work

486
00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,639
Speaker 3: in the steel mill, so you know, he had he

487
00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,359
Speaker 3: was like, man, I'm having kids, and somebody gonna make

488
00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,359
Speaker 3: it to lead. Obviously, my older brother made it in

489
00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,240
Speaker 3: ninety two. He played for the cah She's, but he

490
00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,000
Speaker 3: was like a practice spar player. He never really like

491
00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:56,680
Speaker 3: had like a long cris So I used to always

492
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Speaker 3: use that as motivation.

493
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Speaker 2: So it's like my dad just knew that. He's like

494
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have like.

495
00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,200
Speaker 3: I was gonna be that guy, and yeah, that's kind

496
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Speaker 3: of how it happened my sister. And then I think

497
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Speaker 3: my last one, I'll probably just say my truck coach man,

498
00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,840
Speaker 3: you know, just with the speed, you know, because I'm

499
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Speaker 3: a speed guy and I was able to maintain my speed.

500
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Speaker 2: Majority I feel like all my career.

501
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Speaker 4: I would have loved to work that with your pops

502
00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:18,440
Speaker 4: as a kid.

503
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Speaker 3: Some of those VideA for sure, Like I told you, man,

504
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,640
Speaker 3: he knew what he wanted, and it was hard because

505
00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,679
Speaker 3: like I didn't understand what he was on. Like I'm like, man,

506
00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,200
Speaker 3: this dude crazy like he forced me to work out

507
00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,240
Speaker 3: and like tripping on me if I ain't want to,

508
00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:31,960
Speaker 3: or like hanging out with homie. It was just like

509
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,719
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff. He was just like, nah, that's

510
00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,200
Speaker 3: that's not your that's not your path. Like I got

511
00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:37,679
Speaker 3: you making it to the least, So you got to

512
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Speaker 3: do things how I want you to do it.

513
00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,800
Speaker 4: And what point in time did you Cause I'm doing

514
00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,320
Speaker 4: struggles with my son right now, at what point in

515
00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,720
Speaker 4: time did it sink in for you to be like, nah,

516
00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,640
Speaker 4: this is what I want to do. Was you were

517
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,000
Speaker 4: you like fifteen sixteen, like the working out? At what

518
00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,040
Speaker 4: point did your dad stop making you go kind of

519
00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,080
Speaker 4: pushing you and you kind of took over. It's like no, Dad,

520
00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,679
Speaker 4: let's go to the gym, let's go run, let's go

521
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Speaker 4: do this.

522
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,159
Speaker 3: I mean, I know what I wanted to do early. Yeah,

523
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,199
Speaker 3: but I still fought the work side of it. Just

524
00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,639
Speaker 3: because I was talented, a lot of things came easy

525
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,640
Speaker 3: to me. So I ain't gonna say I didn't want

526
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,879
Speaker 3: to work out, but the way he wanted me to

527
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 3: work out, I felt like I didn't probably need to

528
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,200
Speaker 3: work out the way he wanted me to work out,

529
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,560
Speaker 3: So I would probably say like towards like my junior

530
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 3: senior year, like right before college.

531
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,399
Speaker 2: Like I was like, all right, I give what you on.

532
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,880
Speaker 3: Not like because I was like player of the year,

533
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,720
Speaker 3: California player of the year in twenty twenty. Dang two

534
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 3: thousand and five, I M say twenty yeah, two thousand

535
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:33,639
Speaker 3: and five. I was a player of the year for

536
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,439
Speaker 3: LA I mean for California. So I was like, I

537
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,240
Speaker 3: start seeing like, all right, all the work he got

538
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:39,439
Speaker 3: me doing and starting to payoff.

539
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,120
Speaker 2: So I was like, let me stop the resistance side

540
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:41,400
Speaker 2: of it.

541
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you.

542
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,640
Speaker 2: Probably got a year or two before that. You said

543
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 2: he's sixteen, Yeah, he's sixteen.

544
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 4: Trying to get him just like, dude, what did he

545
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,879
Speaker 4: just always trying to kick it with the hobie. He

546
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 4: always just trying to kick it. It's like, dam wow,

547
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 4: I'm you trying to work out, trying to play this tennis.

548
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,920
Speaker 4: I'm trying to go kick with these girls. So I'm

549
00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 4: just trying to, you know, keep it on straight. So

550
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 4: I'm always scarus, what what age it hits for other

551
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:04,200
Speaker 4: other players?

552
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 1: This is a new this is a new lane for you.

553
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 1: Right now, You've asked multiple guests this I like this.

554
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 4: And I'm just I'm taking notes, right sure, just trying

555
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 4: to be better.

556
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 1: Well, d Jack Man, congrats, man, I know you gotta

557
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 1: get out of here. You gotta go coach Pro Bowl?

558
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

559
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:18,879
Speaker 1: Are you looking forward to that?

560
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 2: Love some for you. We're gonna, we're gonna, We're gonna,

561
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:21,640
Speaker 2: We're gonna do them.

562
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 1: Like every every player is gonna be over sixty yards fifty.

563
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 2: But the field ain't the same. This year is like

564
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 2: a real wider.

565
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 3: No, it's like a real it's fifty yards for one,

566
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 3: so it's not like a last year. I think there

567
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,919
Speaker 3: was in a whole stadium or whatever. They got us

568
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 3: inside the convention Center, so it's like on the beat

569
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 3: bombs like we got a rule. So you know, we

570
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 3: gotta we gotta be strategic though, but it's gonna be fun. Man.

571
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get out there and have a good time. Man.

572
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 1: Everybody got Dion's shoes on.

573
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 4: You're gonna wear.

574
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,239
Speaker 3: Them, yeah, probably, so you know, support Big Bro all

575
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 3: the time man for sure.

576
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Speaker 1: All right, man, Well, congratulations, man, keep doing your thing, Bro,

577
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Speaker 1: I mean coach Jackson, I still call it DJ. What

578
00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 1: did it call you?

579
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Speaker 2: Coach Coach jack jack Yeah, coach.

580
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, man, they're still up on the West coast.

581
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Speaker 2: Baby.

582
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Speaker 1: All right man. Well, look, thank you for always tuning

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