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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Today we're joined by Jeff Danker of Major League bow Hunter,

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Speaker 1: and in this episode we're going to dive into how

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Speaker 1: to break down a strategy for hunting mature bucks. I

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Speaker 1: really enjoy this discussion, and I think you will too.

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Speaker 1: Let's get at it all right, Welcome to the Wired

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Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast. Here with me is my co host

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Speaker 1: Dan Johnson, and also our special guest today, Jeff Dncher

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Speaker 1: of Major League bow Hunter. Welcome to the show. Jeff,

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Speaker 1: play up pretty that you guys have me on. Absolutely

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Speaker 1: we're excited to chat white tells of you and see

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Speaker 1: what you've got going on. And you know, as I

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Speaker 1: mentioned in the intro, you're one of the hosts of

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Speaker 1: the Sportsman Channel TV show Major League bow Hunter. But

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Speaker 1: for our listeners out there, you know, could you share

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Speaker 1: with us a little more about your background, how you

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Speaker 1: got into white tail hunting, and maybe what led you

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Speaker 1: to working on Major League bow Hunter and outdoor television.

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Speaker 1: You know my deal is is it might be different

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Speaker 1: from a lot of people. Says. I really never set

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Speaker 1: out to be a host of a television show. I was,

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Speaker 1: you know, my dad brought me up coon hunting when

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Speaker 1: I was four years old, and I loved the outdoors,

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Speaker 1: and of course you got me into hunting, uh White tells.

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Speaker 1: But then basically I was, you know, all we did

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Speaker 1: was rodeo. I mean we we grew up as calf

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Speaker 1: a roof and company, so we learned to work hard.

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Speaker 1: And man, I was just as I got older, I

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Speaker 1: was still hunting and and and how I got in

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Speaker 1: the hunting industry. O guy called me in Oklahoma City

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Speaker 1: and said, hey, I got this this uh local hunting show.

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Speaker 1: Would you want to go to work for me? And Uh,

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Speaker 1: I was like no, I really don't you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: I wanted working for my dad. And long story short,

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Speaker 1: he said, well, I tell you what he said. I

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Speaker 1: know you're killing some good bucks. He said, if you

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Speaker 1: percentage and he said, I will pay for all your hunts.

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Speaker 1: I was like, well, I ain't. Why did you say

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Speaker 1: that from start? And so anyway, I met with this

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Speaker 1: And he said, just pointed and shoot, which is absolutely wrong,

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Speaker 1: we all know. But I took to the field and uh, basically,

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Speaker 1: we spent thirty one thousand dollars filming for this little

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Speaker 1: I started my first show, Buck Ventures Outdoors, which led

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Speaker 1: Chipper Jones and and Matt duff and and we're just

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Speaker 1: now it's our life and and uh, you know I

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Speaker 1: long before that you said that this guy had known

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Speaker 1: how long before that were you starting to kill those

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Speaker 1: That's where I started to learn is letting a one

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Speaker 1: I'd love to to dive a little further into that.

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Speaker 1: bit up. So that said, Jeff, I'm curious, what's the

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Speaker 1: hate to say this, but it is embarrassing. It's Whitney

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Speaker 1: it's a good song. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. All right,

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Speaker 1: pretty cool job of breaking down properties and hunts and

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Speaker 1: But well, you know I did that in hole. Last year.

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Speaker 1: stand location is already trimmed out by the time the

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Speaker 1: season starts? Or are you running and gutting, running and gunning?

428
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 1: Are you cutting shooting lanes? What kind of tree stands?

429
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 1: Are you using that kind of stuff? Well, I'm I'm

430
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,120
Speaker 1: the same way as you, Dan, I'm not. I don't

431
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 1: have everything trimmed I mean, you know how that is.

432
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 1: Things change anyway. So you know, if I were running

433
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 1: and gunning, I mean, I'm I'm cutting those limbs just

434
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 1: like anyone else and being as careful and as quiet.

435
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 1: And you know, the one thing I'll say, I never

436
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 1: go in morning or evening. It's always gonna be um

437
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 1: in the middle of the day with the best possible

438
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: win I can get. You know, whether it's raining or whatever,

439
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: is always a good time. But I'm I'm trimming those

440
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 1: limbs and and uh, you know, and I'll just tell

441
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: you a lot of times what I do these days

442
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 1: is instead of going in the typical way we used

443
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 1: to do it, as you'd go in going I'm gonna

444
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 1: go hang a set there, We're gonna back out of

445
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: there and give it a day or two and then

446
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: come back in and said it, I am glass and

447
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: that tree that I want to be in, I'm looking

448
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: at the map and then I'm going in to hang

449
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: that set and hunt it. So whether it's piking a stand,

450
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: me and my camera, guys and you know, some of

451
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: we well use the sum of hawks most of the time.

452
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: And uh, but we're hanging and hunting, and I have been.

453
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: I just can't stress enough that the amount of success

454
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: you can have by that, because by the time a

455
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: big buck gets there and he's not put it all

456
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: together with his brain, he's getting there now you're already

457
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: in the tree. Even if he's picking up some syn

458
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: that you might have laid down, he's there and you're there,

459
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: so you have a percentage to kill him other than

460
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,719
Speaker 1: you're going in laying a bunch sent down and then

461
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: two days later come back, he's already been there, he's

462
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 1: put the puzzle altogether and and he spooked. So I

463
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: do that a lot. That's good. That sounds I mean,

464
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: that sounds a lot like the way myself and Mark

465
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: uh hunt as well. Yeah, it's all about the power

466
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: of that first set. It's pretty incredible. Yes, And that

467
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: that brings up another question. How often or how many

468
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: times will you hunt a stand before you get to

469
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: the point where you figure it's it's worn out? Or

470
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: will you if you find a spot that he thinks

471
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: the spot, will you just hunt that for the rest

472
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: of your time in that area? You know what, what's

473
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 1: your thoughts on that? Well, that goes a lot. I mean,

474
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: you know a lot of it. Man. I truly believe

475
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: in a gut feeling. But my sets, I mean I

476
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: have sets that are called observation sets. I have stands

477
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: that I call bulletproof sets. I mean, if I mean

478
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 1: one of my bulletproof sets, which is basically like the

479
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: set I described in Kansas, where I can slip in,

480
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: I cross a river that and I went through an

481
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: open field to get there, and and I crossed this

482
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: river and in twenty yards in the side of this

483
00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: rivers this stand, I can hunt that stand is any

484
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: times as I want. With the right wind. I mean

485
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: it truly is. You don't spook nothing getting in, you

486
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: don't spook nothing going out. Um. So as long as

487
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: I got that right wind, I'm good to go. So um.

488
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: And you know there's others that I said. I think

489
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: I go on gut a lot. I mean, I'm studying

490
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: a map, just like I'm sure you guys do, especially

491
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: when you get into that state of confusion. You know,

492
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: I know for the listeners, you know, everybody gets jacked up.

493
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: You're ready to go hunting and go all of a sudden,

494
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 1: you're in the hunt three days and and and all

495
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: this day dreaming that you've done over the last month

496
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: ain't happening. So it creates this state of confusion for

497
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: all of us hunters. And that's where a guy has

498
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: just gotta go back to the map, gotta keep that

499
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: positive attitude, and you know, you just put your best

500
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: foot forward. And when I say that, always have the wind.

501
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,959
Speaker 1: I truly believe if a hunter follows the wind, I mean,

502
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: if the guy has got forty acres and he's got

503
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: a stand for east, west, north, south on on each

504
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: side of it, and you might have we all got

505
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: that favorite set. But if you let that wind dictate

506
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: where you're gonna go, you're that wind will kill big

507
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: bucks for you, no matter design might not be in

508
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 1: that place as it is in your little honey hole stand,

509
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: but those right winds get it done for you. And

510
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: so that's what I'm always breaking it down to is,

511
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: you know, I might have you know, twenty sets hung

512
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: on a place, and then it breaks down to these

513
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: three are good for this wind, and and then just

514
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: going with my gut, and I think it's hunters, you know,

515
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: that's what we're all going to have to do to

516
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: some point. Yes, you bring something that I think is

517
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: worth diving into a little bit more. I'm just being

518
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: you know, playing the wind. And there seems to be

519
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: a lot of different ways that people look at this.

520
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: You know, some folks are just trying to make sure

521
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: the wind won't get them caught by dear. Some people

522
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: are trying to think, more so, how is the deer

523
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: using the wind? You know? What's you know, howard? How

524
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: do you look at that? Are you focused on a

525
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: combination of the two or one or the other. How

526
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: how does that go through your head? Well, my deal is,

527
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people ask me gooff and

528
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: stuff about this, and I just think, as the hunter

529
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: that's hunting, he has to have a plan. You know,

530
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: so many people they could tell you where they're gonna

531
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: hunt right now, guys, opening day, and that's not a

532
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: good plan. I mean, you've got to have a plan

533
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 1: broken down of Okay, mornings, this is where I think

534
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: the deer are. Evenings, this is where I think the

535
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: deer are. So you have to have this inside your

536
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: head in my opinion, and then my deal is my

537
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: goal and objective every time I hunt is to not

538
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: spook one deer none. So I'm definitely looking at as

539
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: I walk in, making sure I'm up flooding any betting area,

540
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: making sure when I walk out that night that I

541
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: have a good access point to get out. Uh. You

542
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: know one thing we talk a lot about on all

543
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: the properties that we get to view is you know,

544
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: you you'll be scouting the property march and all the

545
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: signs lay down and you look up and there's that

546
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: perfect tree that has a perfect place for two stands.

547
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: You know, it's just awesome. But that's not the most

548
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: important thing in our mind. It's it's the access. So

549
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: we start with access. Yeah, we find those honey oath places,

550
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: but that that place might be a little too deep

551
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: or whatever. So you know, really I was looking at

552
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: it from a whole, not to ruin a farm, not

553
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 1: to step on a one eighty or one ninety class

554
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: deer that you're hunting, or you know, as the one

555
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: forty whatever it might be, that mature buck is is

556
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: being so careful. But but my key here is the plan.

557
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: If a guy goes in not thinking, uh, he's got

558
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,239
Speaker 1: to come up these old plan, people ask me, well,

559
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: how do you know where all them dead dear? But

560
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: why I don't know wherever deer on the place he is.

561
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: But I I put in my brain where I think

562
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: they're going to a destination field at night, how they're

563
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: getting back there, and where they're laying, and I based

564
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: my wind for that. Now I've went into stands before

565
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: with that plan, and all of a sudden a deer

566
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: coming out in a different place, and I get busted,

567
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: and you know, obviously never stopped learning comes into play there.

568
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: I learned from that and then change to to elaborate

569
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: on that a little bit. What kind of UM hunting

570
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: areas I guess you would say, do you find yourself

571
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: in the most like pinch points? Field edges are like

572
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: food plot edges, sign hunting sign or travel areas betting

573
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: areas well, my dear might be different than than some others.

574
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: Is you know obviously in the rut, I'm gonna be

575
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: your typical guy. I'm gonna be your typical in a paint.

576
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: You're a funnel travel area with a great wind. That's

577
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: my philosophy in the rut, and I'm gonna spend as

578
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: much time my philosophy and the rut is get a

579
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: good wind, getting a high travel deal and set all

580
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: day is many days and you will have success success

581
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: doing that. But where I concentrate on killing my biggest

582
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: deer is never during the rut. The rut, it is

583
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: something we all get hyped up about, but it's the

584
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: most unpredictable time of the year. So I'm trying to

585
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: kill my big deer in in September and early October

586
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: and even late December. So I'm I'm very careful uh

587
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: those times of years or that time of year. UM.

588
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: But my number one tree is what I call an

589
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: observation tree. It's the tree that you can see along ways.

590
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: It's the tree that you're probably not gonna kill a

591
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: deer out of. But I spend more of my time

592
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: in those trees, and and I might spend three or

593
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: four days in those trees. And then when I move,

594
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: it's because I've seen him or whatever and I'm going

595
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: in to kill him. So I end up in all

596
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: kinds of different situations. Uh, you know, but but those

597
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: observation trees have been really good to me over the years,

598
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: and and not just moving in to kill. But then

599
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: you take that observation tree in the ruts, see what's

600
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: going on, and you're you're calling in, dear and kill him.

601
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: I mean I've I've killed two booners out of an

602
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: observation stand that I ended up late October with one

603
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: of them, uh early November the other one, and called

604
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: into decoy on both times and and use that observation tree.

605
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: I wasn't word per se you would want to be,

606
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: but I was in a safe tree where I had

607
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: a great win great access or I could see and

608
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: I called him to me. That brings us something that

609
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: um when it comes to hunting new properties and maybe

610
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: need to be a little more aggressive the idea of

611
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: decoy and to kind of push the issue. I would

612
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: love to hear a little bit more details about exactly

613
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: how does he use a decoy, what your what your

614
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: strategies are on that. Well, my decoy, and is, first

615
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: of all, I started decoy because I loved the footage.

616
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: The decoy had got me into more trouble in my

617
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: hunting career than any other piece of equipment. I mean,

618
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: you know, we all love that deer coming inside way

619
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: he's licking his lips, air blown out. And uh so,

620
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: my biggest deal to to anybody from my experiences, be

621
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: careful when you use it. I mean, you know, basically

622
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: pre rut when when the bucks are by themselves, um

623
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: is a great time, but you just have to be

624
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: careful that they're not still busted up. And and the

625
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: way I use them, you know, everybody sees it. Turned

626
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: back to the hunters. They walk out there twenty five

627
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: yards and they pointed back to the tree with the

628
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: ears back, and I absolutely disagree with that. On the

629
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: way I've killed all my bucks is I take the decoy.

630
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: And again, my big theme anybody talks to me. I'm

631
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: real careful. I don't want to spook nothing. So I

632
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: take the decoy five to seven yards from the bottom

633
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: mount tree and I face it away from me, and

634
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: I touched the back legs only and and I only

635
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: stake the back legs. I never put a footprint. I'm very,

636
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: very careful. But that way I don't have to walk

637
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: out there and put more sent down a great way.

638
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: One of the booners I shot was I had a

639
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: fence line that was on the other side of my

640
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: tree where I wanted to shoot the deer. But I

641
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: walked up that fence line, which is about five seven

642
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: yards from bout my tree. I reached over with the decoy.

643
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: And I do this every year. I've killed lots of

644
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: bucks this way. But I just I stay on my

645
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: side of the fence and then I stay his back

646
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: legs down right on the other side of the fence,

647
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: and uh put his ears back and then climbing a tree.

648
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: And again it's a barrier that they can't get my

649
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: scent because you know, you guys have used him. You

650
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: know that you don't always get that shooter. And then

651
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: you get that curious buck stomping around, and that's what

652
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying to avoid. Yeah, that's definitely, Uh, the curse

653
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: of decoys is when that happens, that's awesome. That's that's

654
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: a pretty interesting idea that that goes, like you said,

655
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: counter to what a lot of people says, but it

656
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. The other big thing I

657
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: just want to touch on him, because I think it's

658
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: the most important part of decoying, is there's a time

659
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: and you guys know the time when all of a

660
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: sudden the deer are disappeared. If it usually happens around

661
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: November seven through somewhere in the fifteenth, where the doze,

662
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: the button bucks, everything has been harassed so much because

663
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: every buck in the the woods is you know, looking

664
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: for a girlfriend. So that's when then does go into

665
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: hiding and they're just ballied down and trying not to

666
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: even be visible for anything to see him. Well, that

667
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: is the best time to decoy because then you're not

668
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: having to deal with the old dough that's blown at

669
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: your decoy for forty minutes because they're all hidden away.

670
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: And that's when you can get by with being on

671
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: the corn field or being filled and you won't have

672
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: to deal with a lot of does looking at your

673
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: decoy that's a great point. That's uh, that's something to

674
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: look for for sure. Yeah, so continue on the seam

675
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: of breaking down the hunt and taking a little more

676
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 1: of a micro look at this. I was interested maybe

677
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: taking a look at one of your recent successful hunts

678
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: and diving deep into that. So, Jeff, you know, is

679
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: there a specific hunt maybe that we could take a

680
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: look at, And if so, can you share with us

681
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: you know when and where this hunt occurred, and then

682
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: we'll kind of go from there. Okay, Yeah, I mean

683
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: one that I thought about when y'all mentioned this segment is,

684
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, last year I was gonna talk about my

685
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: Alberta hunt and uh, you know, this is a place

686
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: that I went the year before and shot a nice buck,

687
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: but I ended up on a new farm over there

688
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: this year. So I went to the old farm that

689
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: I was hunting, and an activity just wasn't happened. I

690
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: was in the observations stand. I had some one thirties,

691
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: but the biggest deer I could find. You know, you're

692
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: in Alberta, obviously your your expectations are high, and uh, anyway,

693
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: we just started driving around one day we we just

694
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: covered as much ground in the morning as we could

695
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 1: to see if we could lay our eyes on the deer.

696
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: And and sure enough we laid our eyes on two

697
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: really big deer and uh that was hitting the barley field.

698
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: And we we started, uh, we started a plan of

699
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 1: attack as soon as we saw this deer. Uh. We

700
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: we started with a plan of attack. That was the

701
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: wrong when I looked back, it was the wrong plan.

702
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: But we started with observation stands. We we started, and

703
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: we thought we kind of knew where he was living.

704
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: But we were absolutely wrong. But that observation stand we hung.

705
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: It was a safe play, it was, and we end

706
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: up watching the buck come out of a big cup

707
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: block and coming all the way across this c R

708
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: p UM and then hitting the barley obviously a dark

709
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: and then vice versa in the morning. So three days

710
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 1: into this uh, moving back and forth the two operation stands.

711
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: One morning, one evening. UM, you know, the buck was

712
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: doing the same thing. He would come out of his

713
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: cup block and was really interesting about this deer's He

714
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: would when he come out of cup block, it was

715
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: short grass and he would run all the way across.

716
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: He had hit four ft c RP and he had

717
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 1: slow down and the easiest way all the way to Barley,

718
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: you know. And just that to me is amazing watching

719
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: a five year old deer, just the smartness of him

720
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: versus those two year olds that were just gandering ran.

721
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: And so anyway, the next play, we were actually looking

722
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 1: to the north out of this set and and and

723
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: he was coming out of the northeast way over there,

724
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: probably seven hundred yards. So instead of I couldn't pinpoint

725
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: where he was coming out of this cup block, so

726
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: I tell him my camera guys like listen, Brandon, we're

727
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: gonna go in. We're gonna set up on the north

728
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: side of that field. And you know, it looked like

729
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: he was probably paralleling this tree roll that's on the

730
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: north side of maybe a hundred fifty yards, and you know,

731
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: my my camera guys like, dude, we ain't gonna kill

732
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: him rest now, we ain't gonna try to kill him.

733
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: We're gonna go tonight and we're gonna watch him go

734
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: by us. And when he comes by us, we're gonna

735
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: let him get long gone. And then we're gonna pinpoint

736
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: right where he came out, and we're gonna take this

737
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 1: stand down we're gonna take a circle inside the wood,

738
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 1: so we don't put any prints down, and we're gonna

739
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: hang this sep and and we had a back door

740
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: out so that exactly what I did. That I went

741
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: in and we hung that set. The problem was it

742
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: all sounds good up to now, but he never showed.

743
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: We had this whole plan together and he didn't show.

744
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: And uh so my camera guy was getting drindy. I'm like, dude,

745
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: we're staying. I don't care how long it takes. We're

746
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: sitting here. So I crawled down out of my tree.

747
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: I got to the bottom of tree, and this this

748
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: tree row, I like a skyline more and anyway, in

749
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: a higher twenty minutes after daylight, I glass him in

750
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: the and and watch him go across. And um, so

751
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: we give him another thirty minutes and then we we

752
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: pulled that set, had that ear marked right where he

753
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: came out, and we hung that set in the dark.

754
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: Got back about midnight that night, and then we slipped

755
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: in that back door and got in that tree. And

756
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: you guys, I'm sure you've hung sets a dark. You're

757
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: always hanging that set it dark, and you wake up

758
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: the next morning in it and it's not what you

759
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 1: or you got to trend this name in the dark.

760
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: Well this was the one time, guys, no joke. When

761
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: it broke daylight, I was like, oh my gosh, we

762
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: hung We couldn't hung it any better in the summertime.

763
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: And uh, anyway, long story short, the buck that I

764
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: was hunting didn't come, but a bigger deer came came

765
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: right down that same deal, come back from that barley,

766
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: and uh, I get the deer shot at fifteen steps.

767
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: That's actually the episode that aired last Friday night. But um, anyway,

768
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: that that scenario was, it's just a perfect plan of

769
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: attack for especially early and really late season hunting. That

770
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 1: where your pattern goes deer. Wow, yeah, that's um. Sounds

771
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: like it was a heck of a planet. And how

772
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: you were able to adapt and and adjust all that's

773
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: pretty interesting. What what do you think about that? Damn?

774
00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: My I love how there's that's that's being aggressive and

775
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 1: I love it because that's the way I hunt as well.

776
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: In two thousand and twelve, the buck that I shot,

777
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 1: I think within maybe a forty or twenty or forty

778
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: or thirty kind of square uh area, a thirty or

779
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: forty acre area. I probably changed tree stands, maybe shoot

780
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: maybe ten times in that small amount and maybe you know,

781
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: like maybe even a seven day period, and uh, I

782
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: finally got the buck. But what people don't realize is

783
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: you gotta make the move. If you want to kill

784
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: a deer, you sit in the st tree stand for

785
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: seven days in a row, and you keep watching deer

786
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 1: go and go and go. Buy you in a different

787
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: area if you're not moving at your own fault, Yes,

788
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: exactly right. Well, I think god, that's how we all

789
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 1: grew up. I mean, I remember me. I grew up

790
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: in my candy and they always said, man, just put

791
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: your time and just stay there. And they didn't play

792
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 1: the wind back then. They just went to this tree.

793
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: And and really everyone I grew up around, that's the

794
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: way they did. They all had their tree or their

795
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: spot and that's where they camped out, and and it

796
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: was just if you put your time in, they felt

797
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: like they were gonna kill a deer. Well, to me,

798
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: hunting isn't evolved, Especially if you're going after a mature

799
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: buck or you're you know, you're wanting to kill a

800
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: bigger deer. You have to adjust and and and just

801
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: like you said, Dan, you have to make it happen.

802
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: I mean we call it going in to kill. I

803
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: mean a lot of times Chipper and Duffle asked me,

804
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: I'll say, listen, you know you're gonna kill him Night.

805
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: I wudn't know I'm going in And that's that's our

806
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: lingo and camp is you know, Chip will say, no,

807
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: we're not gonna kill Night, but we're gonna learn something,

808
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: and we you know, we we could be another step

809
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: closer tomorrow. And a lot of times that that has

810
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: to do with the early season, but it also has

811
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: a lot to do with uh, you know rud as well.

812
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you see a big buck that is locked

813
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: down with the dough or chasing, uh, you know, you

814
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: can't you can't afford to wait. You got to go.

815
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: You got to go in for the kiel. Now, it

816
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: doesn't always happen, and you might have to reevaluate the

817
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 1: situation do something different, but more times than not, you

818
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: have to to take those steps. Right now, I got

819
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: a question that kind of evolves from this, and every

820
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: hunter at some point fails, you know, they they make

821
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: a mistake and the deer wins that battle. So how

822
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: you know you guys are all about never ending learning

823
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: or you're always learning? How can you How would you

824
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: talk to a fellow hunter who has failed several times

825
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: and need some kind of advice on on how to learn? Man,

826
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 1: that's a tough one. It's um. I think it's a mindset.

827
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: I think it's um. You know, I remember when I

828
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: first started all this, I mean, the whole world's watching,

829
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: so it puts so much pressure on me that it

830
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: become not fun and I had to learn listen, it's

831
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: not about the kill. It's about the journey doing it.

832
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: And and I think all of us as hunters, we

833
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: got to realize that. I mean, first and foremost, I'm

834
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: out there with God's great outdoors. I'm I'm seeing this

835
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: sunrise and this sunset, and the the kill is the bonus.

836
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: And you know I say all that in one deal.

837
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: But I'm I can be the biggest whiner that you

838
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: purpose shared camp with. I mean, trust me, because I

839
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: mean I'm serious business. I'm I'm wanting to win this battle.

840
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: But I truly do know now when I set my

841
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: goals that I've talked about earlier in the show, is uh,

842
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: if I'm setting my goal in Oklahoma, I'm sitting in

843
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: out Burder, Nebraska or wherever it is. I have to

844
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: prepare myself that I could lose. And and so it's

845
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: just like everyone watches television and they read these magazines,

846
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: and you can learned so much by that. But every

847
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 1: step you take in the woods, every true stand you hang,

848
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: every encounter you have or don't have, there's always something

849
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: to learn. And we really take that to heart these days.

850
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: I mean, every time I get to watch a deer

851
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: or a big buck or a doe, I'm on. I'm

852
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: trying to learn something and and being able to. I mean,

853
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: if people just look at it to write their own articles,

854
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: you know, we're we're all learning by articles. We're all

855
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: learned by television. We're learning by talking to each other

856
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: and learning from others mistakes or successes. But the yeah,

857
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: you guys know, I mean the best way to learn

858
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: is from your own experiences. So I just think that's

859
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 1: the way people of mindset could get and it will

860
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: make you better every time you go. You should take

861
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: something out of it. And you know the other thing

862
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: I'll say this is a positive attitude kills big bucks.

863
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: You know it truly does. If a guy, I can

864
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: stay positive and learning in that way, you're going to

865
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: have better results. Yeah, that's such a huge deal to that.

866
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: It's hard to quantify and it's hard to you can't

867
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: always wrap your head around it or explain to someone

868
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: how to do it. But I think it changes everything

869
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: about how you're hunting. Even you know, you might be

870
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: in the same tree stand but if if one day

871
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: you're totally down the dumps, maybe you're not paying attention

872
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: as much, maybe you're not as focused. You know, that

873
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: can that can end up, you know, causing you to

874
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 1: miss that opportunity, which if you have the right attitude

875
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: and you are prepared for success, you can capitalize on them.

876
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: So well, I mean, it don't matter who you are.

877
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: If you're Bill Jordan or you're just starting out hunting,

878
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: you you can still learn a lot. It don't matter

879
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: who you are. There's a lot to learn. And and

880
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: to me, man, I tell you, those those kills and everything,

881
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: they're rewarding. But the game with the the best animal

882
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: in the world to hunt is it's it's what it is.

883
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 1: You're playing a game. Enjoy it, you know, go head

884
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: to head with him, you're gonna lose a lot of times.

885
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: But that is what is so exciting about it is

886
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: these these are the smartest animals that walk the earth

887
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: in my opinion. I mean as far as trying to

888
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: go kill them consistently, and especially when you start talking

889
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: about big white tails doing on a consistent basis, it

890
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: ain't easy. You're gonna lose. You got to be prepared,

891
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna lose several times this year. I mean,

892
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: you know what you guys know, I mean, I any

893
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: TV guy or anybody that's that's getting viewed from the

894
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: public is is yeah, you're seeing its successes, and we

895
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: ain't got time to show you all the times and

896
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: bad things happen, right, There's always a lot more that

897
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: goes on. That's that's on the editing table right right exactly,

898
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 1: So you said something that likes you said, there's there's

899
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: always a lesson to be learned from each hunt. And

900
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: so from that from that one hunt, the example you

901
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: give us a few minutes ago, you know what do

902
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: you think was the main lesson that you learned from

903
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: that successful hunt? And then you know what do you

904
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: think would be the greatest thing that our listeners could

905
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: take from that one example? As well, well, to me

906
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: on that, what I learned from that is is it

907
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: kind of goes on what we was just talking about.

908
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: When when my farm, you know, I traveled two thousand

909
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: miles or whatever it is to get to where we

910
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: were at. And when my farm that was so good

911
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: the year before, the day dreams went out the window

912
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 1: because there was not a mature buck in that area

913
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: coming to these fields. And and so I'd spent three

914
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: days there and my my, I got damned. I got

915
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: to wine, and I got to you know, like AILI

916
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: and and uh so so, but but I rebounded and

917
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, we're gonna put together a plan. And

918
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: and my my lesson here to myself was, Dude, it

919
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: never happens the way you daydreamed. You've got to adjust.

920
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: So we did. We got to pick up and we

921
00:47:54,760 --> 00:48:00,959
Speaker 1: drove around and then from there is um, I think

922
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: when I when I look at that situation, if I

923
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: just take a regular guy, and when I say that,

924
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: say one of my buddies that just hunts every down

925
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: and he loves to hunt, but just goes and hunts,

926
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: he would have dove into this farm and he would

927
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: have spooked these deer before he even had a chance

928
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: to hunt them. And and so again I chose to

929
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: tiptoe in it, hunt from the outside in. And that

930
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 1: was what allowed me to see these deer. And they

931
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: had no idea I was hunting them. And to me,

932
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: that is the key is kill a deer without him

933
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: knowing your you've ever been there, And that's what we did.

934
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: And and so those two lessons to me, you know,

935
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: it may be as old as as whatever, but those

936
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: are just the carefulness of what it takes to shoot

937
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: these big bucks. And and you know, the thing about

938
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: it is I learned every year. But then we go

939
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: through an offseason, we go through what everybody else does,

940
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: back to life and and doing our thing. So when

941
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: you first start hunting again, that's probably when I make

942
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: my biggest mistakes of the year, because I'm not polished,

943
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: i ain't got you know, I might not have everything

944
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: in my bag that I needed or or whatever it

945
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: might be. And that's when I can make those mistakes.

946
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: And and last year we were we were patient enough

947
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 1: but aggressive enough at the same time, and they got

948
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: a hundred six or five inches year on the ground.

949
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: That is that's awesome. A lot of words of wisdom there.

950
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 1: This is great. I think though that we are coming

951
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: up on time here. Um. So that said, Dan, is

952
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: there anything else you would like to add before we

953
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: closens up? No, just as far as you know, I

954
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: watch I never used to watch any hunting shows or

955
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: anything like that. And what I really like about these

956
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: guys and what they're doing with Major League bow Hunter

957
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: is it is you know, yeah, they gotta pay their bills,

958
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: they got to do their commercials and whatnot, but they

959
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: also are trying to educate other hunters on how to

960
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: be successful when a lot of their TV shows don't

961
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: do that. And that's that's one big thing that I like. Well,

962
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you guys saying that. I appreciate the

963
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 1: time that you'll have given me. You know, it's a

964
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: I look at this and what I get to do

965
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 1: as a privilege and a platform that God has given me. Uh.

966
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: You know, I look back on when Major League bo

967
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: Hunter started, and something a lot of people may not

968
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: know and probably I don't even know, is when we

969
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: came out with the name Major League bow Hunter. You

970
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: can look back on the forums and we got hammered.

971
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: We got hammered by people saying oh, it's just a

972
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: bunch of rich baseball players fixed and start another show.

973
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: And and you know, we couldn't really scream and tell

974
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: them that's not what it was. But our goal was

975
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: to be able not to say we're major League bowners

976
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: because we're still we're not that. We're trying to become that.

977
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: And we wanted to share every experience. And not only that,

978
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: before Major League bow Hunner, you you very seldom saw

979
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: people looking people and I and so that's the other

980
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: big thing we did this. So you know what, we

981
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: ain't gonna set our interview chair. We're not looking at

982
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: the camera. We're going to look these people and no

983
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: eye and we're not gonna have cute cards. We're gonna

984
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: look at and speak from our hearts. And um, I

985
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 1: think that is the connection that we've had because we're

986
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: all hunters, were all in this together, and uh, we're

987
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: gonna stay humble and and we're gonna do what we love. Now,

988
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: we're not gonna apologize for having good ground or our

989
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: working or tails m and off to have good ground.

990
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: But uh, what I said, I just I think that

991
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,479
Speaker 1: was a big difference for us. I think it's paid

992
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: off to its Uh, really, you guys have one of

993
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: the best shows out there. I've really enjoyed it and

994
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: you know, learned a lot from what you guys do.

995
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: And like I mentioned earlier and Dan did too, it's

996
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 1: it's refreshing to see the focus on the educational aspect.

997
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: I think you guys do a better job than probably

998
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: anyone of diagramming it out and really making it visual

999
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: people to wrap their heads around. So I love it,

1000
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: and you know that means a lot come from you guys.

1001
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: I appreciate your show, and uh, hopefully go have me

1002
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: back on sometime. We'd love to. And if our listeners

1003
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: want to learn more about Major League bow Hunter, you know,

1004
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: where should they go? Maybe online? And then when can

1005
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: they catch it on TV? Well, it's obviously we would

1006
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: love for you to be Everybody follow us on Facebook.

1007
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: Our website is got some cool stuff on there, obviously,

1008
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: that's where you can buy a lot of the peril.

1009
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: And then our big air time is every Tuesday night.

1010
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: I think we're seven thirty Eastern and nine thirty eastern

1011
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 1: we have that's the Real Tree Hunting Block and Hunting

1012
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: Camp Block. So that's our two big air times. We

1013
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 1: are tonight so which I don't know exactly when this airs,

1014
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: but and then I just I take the time to

1015
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: to thank all of our fans and to thank anyone

1016
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: that listen today, and and just remember the model never

1017
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 1: stop learning. It's awesome. Jeff. Well, we will include links

1018
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: and all the information he just talks about there so

1019
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: that people can check it out. Be sure to catch

1020
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: the show. And that's on the Sportsman channel. Correct, Yes,

1021
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: that's on the Sportsman channel. Excellent. Well, thank you so much, chef.

1022
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: This is This has really been interesting. It's been a

1023
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: great conversation. Thank you, guys. I have a great day.

1024
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Well. I thought that was pretty great and

1025
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: hope you did too. And that will wrap things up

1026
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: for us here today on the Weird Hunt podcast. So

1027
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. As always, if

1028
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: you enjoyed the show today, we would really appreciate it

1029
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: if you could leave a rating or review on iTunes,

1030
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: and even if you didn't enjoy it, we'd still love

1031
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: to hear your feedback. Thank you in advance for taking

1032
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: the time to do that. Speaking of thanks, we'd also

1033
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: like to thank our excellent partners who help ba the

1034
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Speaker 1: show possible. So big thanks. Too sick of gear, Bushtional Optics,

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Speaker 1: Institute of North America. That said, be sure to visit

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Speaker 1: weird hunt dot com slash episode fifteen to view the

1039
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: show notes from today's episode. And that's what will include

1040
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: all the links that we mentioned today. And if you're new,

1041
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: definitely head over to weird hunt dot com to sign

1042
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: up for our white Tail Fixed news letter. That's where

1043
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna get all different updates on what's doing interesting

1044
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: on the blog. So that all out of the way.

1045
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: Thanks again weird dot Nation. Until next time, have an

1046
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: awesome week, keep on living the dream chasing those white tails,

1047
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: and as always, stay weired Hunt h