WEBVTT - Executive Disorder: Minneapolis ICE Shooting, Maduro, Iran & Aleppo Update

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<v Speaker 1>Alzon Media.

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<v Speaker 2>This is it could Happen here Executive Disorder, our usually

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<v Speaker 2>weekly newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the

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<v Speaker 2>crumbling world, and what it means for you. I'm Garrisondeo's Dam,

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<v Speaker 2>joined by Mia Wong, James Stout, and Sophie Lichterman. This episode,

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<v Speaker 2>we're covering the events from the end of December to

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<v Speaker 2>the first week of January.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and the events are not good.

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<v Speaker 4>Did not start off to a slow start whatsoever, did

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<v Speaker 4>not ease into the new year.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this might be the worst just the worst first

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<v Speaker 3>week of a year I can remember it. I remember

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh worst year ever potentially maya.

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<v Speaker 2>I long for.

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<v Speaker 3>The halcyon days in which twenty twenty was the worst

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<v Speaker 3>year we'd ever experienced.

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<v Speaker 1>I started twenty twenty cycling around Rwanda, and I had

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<v Speaker 1>great start twenty twenty. This has not been a great

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<v Speaker 1>start it.

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<v Speaker 3>No, Yeah, let's talk about the event that happened several

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<v Speaker 3>hours before we started recording this. We were recording this

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<v Speaker 3>again on Wednesday, January seventh, so I don't think there's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be any new information about this. But yeah, hours

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<v Speaker 3>before we started recording Ice shot and killed a woman

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<v Speaker 3>in her car at a routine anti ICE action in Minneapolis.

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<v Speaker 3>From the videos, these protests are identical to thousands of

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<v Speaker 3>other small scale protests against ICE raids, where pissed off

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<v Speaker 3>locals blow whistles and scream at the ICE agents who

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<v Speaker 3>carry off their friends and family in the dead of night.

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<v Speaker 3>The video shows ICE agents approaching a stopped car. One

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<v Speaker 3>agent tries to open the front car door elle screaming

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<v Speaker 3>get the fuck out, while another walks in front of

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<v Speaker 3>the car as it backs up to pull away from

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<v Speaker 3>the scene. As the vehicle pulls forward to drive away,

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<v Speaker 3>the ICE agent pulls out his gun and shoots the

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<v Speaker 3>dry This is the agent's immediate response. There is no

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<v Speaker 3>verbal warning. He simply pulls out the gun and shoots.

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<v Speaker 3>There are videos out there you will see. I have

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<v Speaker 3>seen three angles of it so far. The videos are

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<v Speaker 3>graphic and gut wrenching, as we'll get into in a second,

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<v Speaker 3>so be warns if you are trying to watch them,

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<v Speaker 3>you are just going to see ICE murder a woman.

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<v Speaker 3>The agent, I can fairly definitively say, was in absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>no danger. Again, he simply steps aside from the slow

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<v Speaker 3>moving vehicle. He has enough time to take a shot

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<v Speaker 3>and then step aside and take two more shots. The

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<v Speaker 3>video is just heart wrenching. The closest angle we have,

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<v Speaker 3>the woman recording the video is screaming no as the

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<v Speaker 3>agent pulls out his gun and shoots. There's another video

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<v Speaker 3>that shows there is a passenger inside of the van

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<v Speaker 3>and it just so starts sitting on the ground, sobbing

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<v Speaker 3>and saying, they killed my wife. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>to do. It is one of the most heart wrenching

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<v Speaker 3>things I have ever seen. Having watched the videos of both,

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<v Speaker 3>it is eerily similar to ICE's murder of Silvero Viegas

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<v Speaker 3>Gonzalez in Chicago in September, who was also killed while

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<v Speaker 3>attempting to drive away from ICE agents, and who the

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<v Speaker 3>DHS has likewise accused of committing acts of domestic terrorism

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<v Speaker 3>by attempting to ram agents. It is clear from both

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<v Speaker 3>videos that is not what was going on. Both these

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<v Speaker 3>people were simply trying to pull away from the ICE agents,

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<v Speaker 3>the other shooting that this is very similar to that

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<v Speaker 3>I think has been getting more press comparisons, even though

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of what actually happens in the video that

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<v Speaker 3>we have, I think it's closer to the actual murder,

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<v Speaker 3>but it is also very, very similar to an incident

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<v Speaker 3>in Chicago last year where Border patrol agents hunted and

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<v Speaker 3>then shot Mary mar Martinez, who thankfully survived but was

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<v Speaker 3>charged by the federal government for domestic terrorism, a case

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<v Speaker 3>which thankfully completely collapsed after, among other things, the contents

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<v Speaker 3>of a group chat were released in which Charles ExHAM,

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<v Speaker 3>who's the agent who shot her, was bragging about shooting

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<v Speaker 3>the woman in Chicago. So that's I think a valuable

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<v Speaker 3>insight into the mindset of these people is that when

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<v Speaker 3>one of these went to trial, we got a group

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<v Speaker 3>chat where the agent who shot a different woman in

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<v Speaker 3>a very similar situation was bragging about it. In the

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<v Speaker 3>immediate wake of this Trump post, untrue social that the

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<v Speaker 3>driver in Minneapolis quote willfully and viciously ran over the

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<v Speaker 3>ice officer who seems to have shot her in self

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<v Speaker 3>defense end quote. And then he then links to a

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<v Speaker 3>video which is a bad angle of the shooting that

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<v Speaker 3>also does not show what he claims at all, because

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<v Speaker 3>he is simply from the video footage we have available,

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<v Speaker 3>this is simply a lie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, after the person was shot, that vehicle continued moving

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<v Speaker 1>forward and struck a parked car. That is not unusual

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<v Speaker 1>in the case when somebody's shot driving a vehicle, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like when you jump forward onto the pedals.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's two things I want to emphasize here. One

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<v Speaker 3>is that the DHS always releases statements. This is the

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<v Speaker 3>third shooting like this that we've had since these massive

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<v Speaker 3>immigration rays began. Every single time they release a statements

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<v Speaker 3>where they accuse the driver of intentionally attempting to ram

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<v Speaker 3>the agent, it has never been true. We have seen

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<v Speaker 3>three attempts of this, We have seen the videos and

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<v Speaker 3>three attempts of this. It has been false every single time.

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<v Speaker 3>Major media outlets continue to just post the statements without

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<v Speaker 3>any of the context. That these people have been lying

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<v Speaker 3>about this every single time. And that. The second thing

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<v Speaker 3>that I want to emphasize about this is how normal

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<v Speaker 3>of a protest this was. This is just a completely

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<v Speaker 3>ordinary ice action. It looks like every other anti ice

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<v Speaker 3>action I have ever seen. It wasn't a particularly large one.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just a group of people who were on

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<v Speaker 3>the street. In the video where the woman is sobbing

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<v Speaker 3>about her wife, she says that they pulled up to

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<v Speaker 3>film the ICE agents. Yeah, it's heart wrenching. There have

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<v Speaker 3>been lots of protests. Greg Bavino, whose influential word patrol

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<v Speaker 3>officer we have talked about many times on the show,

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<v Speaker 3>was at the scene. And it's also work noting this

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<v Speaker 3>comes within twenty four hours of the White House announcing

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<v Speaker 3>their giant operation in Minneapolis to deploy two thousand federal agents.

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<v Speaker 2>This was specifically a new surge that started on Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 2>January sixth, and Yeah, literally less than twenty four hours

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<v Speaker 2>after this surge, Ice killed a woman. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing I want to end on in the of

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<v Speaker 3>the immediate analysis, if we talk a bit about the

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<v Speaker 3>protests that have been happening, is that absolutely hauntingly, today's

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<v Speaker 3>murder took place less than a mile away from where

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<v Speaker 3>police officer Derek Schauvin murder George Floyd, which is Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it is as clear a demonstration of the continuity of

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<v Speaker 3>the violence of the American state as can pop possibly

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<v Speaker 3>be produced. Yeah, And I think the other pattern that

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<v Speaker 3>we've seen specifically in these protests is pulling weapons on

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<v Speaker 3>people constantly, even more so than normal police would. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I remember a lot of people I've talked

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<v Speaker 3>to in Chicago. One of the things that they said,

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<v Speaker 3>is that, Yeah, this is if they're eventually going to

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<v Speaker 3>shoot someone. They've now shot a third person in the

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<v Speaker 3>course of these operations, and presumably as long as they're

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<v Speaker 3>allowed to continue, they will probably shoot more people. Because

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<v Speaker 3>one of the things that's the best apparent from this

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<v Speaker 3>video is that this is the sort of muscle memory

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<v Speaker 3>reaction that they have to being in front of a

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<v Speaker 3>car that's moving towards them. There's no thinking, there's no thought.

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<v Speaker 3>They just pull out the gun. Shoot. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he's shooting the same time he's moving sideways

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<v Speaker 2>out of the way of the of the car. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He just as easily could have not fired, and it

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<v Speaker 2>would have had the same result. He just chose to fire.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>A little over an hour after the shooting, Mayor Jacob

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<v Speaker 2>Afray of Napolis gave a press conference where he said

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<v Speaker 2>this to Ice.

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<v Speaker 5>There's little I can say again that'll make this situation better.

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<v Speaker 5>But I do have a message for our community, for

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<v Speaker 5>a city, and I have a message for Ice to Ice,

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<v Speaker 5>get the fuck out of Minneapolis. We do not want

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<v Speaker 5>you here. Your stated reason for being in this city

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<v Speaker 5>is to create some kind of safety, and you are

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<v Speaker 5>doing exactly the opposite. People are being hurt, Families are

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<v Speaker 5>being ripped apart. Long term Minneapolis residents that have contributed

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<v Speaker 5>so greatly to our city.

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<v Speaker 2>To our culture, to our.

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<v Speaker 5>Economy are being terrorized. And now somebody is dead. That's

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<v Speaker 5>on you, and it's also on you to leave. It's

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<v Speaker 5>on you to make sure that further damage, further loss

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<v Speaker 5>of life and injury is not done. We're going to

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<v Speaker 5>be working towards justice as quickly as we possibly can

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<v Speaker 5>right now, and justice is what we've all got to get.

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<v Speaker 3>Fray, I think is just is reflecting the sentiments of

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<v Speaker 3>the city right now. There are immediate protests in I

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<v Speaker 3>mean within minutes of the shooting. There are people showing up.

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<v Speaker 3>Protests have been intensifying.

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<v Speaker 2>Crowd's have got tear guest like thirty minutes after the shooting.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I mean, and Bovino is there are pictures

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<v Speaker 3>of him on scene while these protesters are sort of

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<v Speaker 3>ramping up. So we will see what happens in Minneapolis

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<v Speaker 3>in the coming days.

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<v Speaker 2>Solidarity protests have already been announced in Portland and Philadelphia. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure more cities will follow in the coming hours.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, We'll give an update next week if more

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<v Speaker 3>information becomes available. I think the events themselves are fairly clear,

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<v Speaker 3>but we will see what the federal reaction to this

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<v Speaker 3>is going to be and what the reaction on the

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<v Speaker 3>ground is, and we will keep you updated.

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<v Speaker 1>That's and sabmads here, and we'll be back to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about Venzuela. We are back with the second wild story

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<v Speaker 1>of this week, which is that the United States supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be United States Special Forces radio Caracas last week

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<v Speaker 1>and kidnapped President Maduro, who was the president of Venezuela

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<v Speaker 1>and his wife. We covered the details of this in

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<v Speaker 1>a whole episode, so I'm not going to go over

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<v Speaker 1>any great detail here, and that's already out. Trump kidnaps

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<v Speaker 1>Venezuelan President Maduro is the name of that episode, so

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<v Speaker 1>you should be able to find out.

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<v Speaker 2>The feed he danced too close to the sun.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not so sure the dancing was the fact of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I will only update that to say a couple of things.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, we know that there were in excess

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<v Speaker 1>of fifty Venezuelan casualties, right, I should say there were

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<v Speaker 1>in excess of fifty casualties.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of those would probably cubed sebecurity for.

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<v Speaker 1>US Uban nationals year in a military advice kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a prestige posting, but military advisor kind of role, and

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<v Speaker 1>that there were injuries to US troops we didn't hear

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<v Speaker 1>about first, So US troops and US helicopters did sustain

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<v Speaker 1>some damage, but there were no people killed on the

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<v Speaker 1>United States side. And Donald Trump has truth that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just going to read this one. I think, God, we

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<v Speaker 1>can do our best to understand it. I am pleased

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<v Speaker 1>to announce that interim authorities in Venezuela will be turning

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<v Speaker 1>over between thirty and fifty million barrels of high quality,

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<v Speaker 1>sanctioned oil to the United States of America. This oil

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<v Speaker 1>will be sold at its market price, and that money

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<v Speaker 1>will be controlled by me, as President of the United

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<v Speaker 1>States of America, to ensure that it's used to benefit

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<v Speaker 1>the people of Venezuela and the United States. I have

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<v Speaker 1>asked Energy Secretary Chris Right to execute this plan immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>It will be taken by storage ships and bought directly

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<v Speaker 1>to unloading docks in the United States. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>your attention to this matter. Donald J. Trump, President of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States of America.

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<v Speaker 3>You know I distinctly remember the days the halcyon days

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<v Speaker 3>when I was a child, when saying no war for

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<v Speaker 3>oil was a provocative political statement because the leaders of

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<v Speaker 3>our country insisted that the wars were not in fact

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<v Speaker 3>for oil.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all that has dropped and we do not give

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<v Speaker 2>a single duck anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it were just openly doing the thing they were

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<v Speaker 3>doing before.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's wild to think of the Bush era of

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<v Speaker 1>a golden age of at least pretending it is extraordinarily vague. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>how much this oil is it being turned over over

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<v Speaker 1>what period of time? It's Venezuela. They were expected to

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<v Speaker 1>extract and refine the oil then hand it over, or

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to give you as companies the right to

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<v Speaker 1>do that.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't have much of the processing facilities. There's like one,

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<v Speaker 3>I think American processing facility that can process the kind

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<v Speaker 3>of crew that comes out of Venezuela. But it's difficult.

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<v Speaker 3>We talked about this more in the other episode. But

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<v Speaker 3>it's de Venezuela and oil sucks. It's difficult to refine,

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<v Speaker 3>it's no.

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<v Speaker 1>High qual What are you talking about here in the

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<v Speaker 1>post Man, I don't know, I don't know. I've been

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<v Speaker 1>hearing the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, in the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Thank you, Garrison. That really does make it

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<v Speaker 1>sound like I'm reading from the Bible at church and

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<v Speaker 1>think that God, we'll say the oil is not sanctioned.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not how sanctions work. Sanctioned countries and people, not things.

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<v Speaker 1>Bizarre center structure is Yeah, it's doing a lot for me. So, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I talked about the Rodriguez option in the last show,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess this is kind of confirming a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of what we get speculated about there.

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<v Speaker 3>That's assuming this happens. By the way, I will say

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<v Speaker 3>that there was some dip in oil prices today over

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<v Speaker 3>the exact plication of this is real. But I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know how well connected those people are, either quite frankly,

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<v Speaker 3>or how much of an understanding anyone has over whether

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<v Speaker 3>this is going to happen or not. We don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>He just says things, and sometimes they happen and sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>they don't, and there's no actual way to tell which

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<v Speaker 3>ones are going to come true and which ones are

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<v Speaker 3>just him posting.

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<v Speaker 2>From Trump's mouth to Rubio's ears.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then Riba said something different in an interview.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump says it again, and then yeah, there we go. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it does look like they are attempting to pursue the

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<v Speaker 1>strategy which you spoke about, which isn't The only thing

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<v Speaker 1>getting liberated in Venezuela is the oil. Right that they

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<v Speaker 1>will allow the regime to continue. They will not be

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<v Speaker 1>any attempt at regime change. They just want a puppet

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<v Speaker 1>version of the old regime which they can manipulate purely,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently for their own financial benefit with oil.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's also worth noting that Trump is claiming that

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<v Speaker 3>he personally is going to be controlling the money after

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<v Speaker 3>it's sold at market price, a sentence that any other

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<v Speaker 3>time in American history would be the most dictatorial thing

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<v Speaker 3>you've ever seen, but pales in comparison to the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that he is claiming to be running a country after

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<v Speaker 3>a war that he unilaterally started without congress.

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<v Speaker 2>So, I mean, is it even accurate to call it

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<v Speaker 2>a war? It seems like it's like a single military action.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's it's like an act of war, I guess, right.

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<v Speaker 3>But okay, if you combined the blockades, which are an

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<v Speaker 3>active war, and we'll get to blockades more in a second,

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<v Speaker 3>and this, I think this is just a war.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I mean, I went to the protest in New

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<v Speaker 2>York the morning after the action, and you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of a lot of chance for about you know,

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<v Speaker 2>no war in Venezuela, you know, no more bombs in Venezuela.

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<v Speaker 2>And like it looks like they're kind of done. They

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<v Speaker 2>they're kind of done with the bombs. They're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>done with the war.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's the thing though, So Trump has also said that

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<v Speaker 3>if the current government of Venezuela refuses to comply, he

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<v Speaker 3>will do.

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<v Speaker 1>More strikes WHOA than he did mad.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it's always kind of difficult to parse exactly

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<v Speaker 3>what's going on there, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a potential for more US action, definitely because

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like right now they are paid to have

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<v Speaker 1>got roughly what they wanted. And then like there's also

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<v Speaker 1>the potential for this do you any number of ways? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like things could continue to deteriorate for the regime there, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>like what does it mean for their ability They have

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<v Speaker 1>previously had the ability to use various kind of nefarious

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<v Speaker 1>reflaggings of boats, which mean is going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>a second here to obtain some income, right, Like, if

0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.640
<v Speaker 1>they're not even able to do that, it's get even worse. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>And the economic situation in Venezuela could very easily get worse.

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<v Speaker 1>I know everyone I've spoken to there is out trying

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<v Speaker 1>to stock up on nonperishable food and they don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what the future holds to them. Plus you now have,

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<v Speaker 1>as we saw earlier in this week, very trigger happy

0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.080
<v Speaker 1>pro government militias will probably be the best way to

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<v Speaker 1>describe it. Like in this case, so they were shooting

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<v Speaker 1>at a drone up in the air. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's very clearly still a lot of tension in the country.

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<v Speaker 2>So on Saturday morning, after the military action in Venezuela,

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<v Speaker 2>I went to the protest in New York, like like

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<v Speaker 2>I previously mentioned, and I've put together this little audio

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<v Speaker 2>report that I recorded at the protest that takes you

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<v Speaker 2>through about like an hour's worth of protest activity. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>give it a give it a lesson. It is Saturday,

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<v Speaker 2>January third, two fifty four pm. I am in Times

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<v Speaker 2>Square with I would say two hundred to three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>people protesting US action in Venezuela as well as Iran

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<v Speaker 2>and the genocide in Palestine. Kind of a mix of causes,

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<v Speaker 2>but mostly talking about Venezuela and the military extradition of

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<v Speaker 2>President Maduro. Like The organizational structure at this protest seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be mostly propped up by various communist organizations. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a revolution Communist Party tabling. There's the BOB, a vacant

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<v Speaker 2>refuse fascism organization with a lot of banners and signs.

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<v Speaker 2>PSL has a bunch of banners and signs, as well

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<v Speaker 2>as the Kuney Internationalist student group, which is tied to

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<v Speaker 2>the New York City Public University system. They have some

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<v Speaker 2>homemade signs, the only signs actually drawn on paper probably

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<v Speaker 2>this morning, versus all of the PSL signs, which appear

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<v Speaker 2>pre printed and pre prepared. A rotating selection of speakers

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<v Speaker 2>have given speeches for the past hour, and now at

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<v Speaker 2>three pm, this relatively small crowd for a New York

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<v Speaker 2>protest is leading a march south. I don't know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not alive. The march is taking up probably about one

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<v Speaker 2>city block just outside of Times Square on forty third

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<v Speaker 2>and eighth, turning on to eighth Avenue. Now after about

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<v Speaker 2>ten minutes of marching and why hed bikes at the

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<v Speaker 2>front of the march as well as on foot officers

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<v Speaker 2>on either side of the crowd not like a huge presence.

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<v Speaker 2>I've maybe seen cumulatively one hundred or so cops, which

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<v Speaker 2>is actually not that much for New York, especially based

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<v Speaker 2>on how spread out they are, because maybe like two

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<v Speaker 2>dozen cops on either side of the march, just walking

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<v Speaker 2>walking on the sidewalk, and then maybe another another two

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<v Speaker 2>to three dozen in the front and more in the back,

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<v Speaker 2>so between fifty to one hundred. A little over fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>minutes into the march. They have now moved up to

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<v Speaker 2>forty seventh Street. At this point, there's been zero conflict

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<v Speaker 2>with the police. They mostly facilitated the traffic around the

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<v Speaker 2>march as people continue to chant and walk north. The

0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:54.840
<v Speaker 2>crowd has been marching for over thirty five minutes and

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<v Speaker 2>now are arriving at what I assume is their destination,

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<v Speaker 2>Columbus Circle up at fifty eighth Street and Broadway. No

0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:10.520
<v Speaker 2>scuffles with the police. There was like two guys in

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<v Speaker 2>mega hats, kind of I'm trying to antagonize the side

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<v Speaker 2>of the crowd. For the past fifteen minutes, nothing really happened.

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<v Speaker 2>One random dude came out of a convenience store yelling

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<v Speaker 2>fuck ro Duro, trying to agitate some people in the crowd,

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<v Speaker 2>but everyone just moved on and now they are approaching

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<v Speaker 2>Columbus Circle.

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<v Speaker 5>The decent people in this country needs to answer.

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<v Speaker 6>The people of the hole. What are we gonna do?

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<v Speaker 6>This is not a time for protract the usual.

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<v Speaker 3>There needs to be a full regime, not a minute

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<v Speaker 3>failing for right here in the US country.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh my, guys, got interest in.

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<v Speaker 2>Police are now very lightly directing people into Columbus Circle,

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<v Speaker 2>onto the plaza and off of the street. Some groups

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<v Speaker 2>are hacking up their protests signs and bags and starting

0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:42.000
<v Speaker 2>to peel off. So as expected, this protest was done

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<v Speaker 2>by a coalition of anti imperialist leftist, socialist communist organizations.

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<v Speaker 2>You have the Party for Socialism and Liberation PSL and

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<v Speaker 2>all of these other like communist groups who are all

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<v Speaker 2>primarily either trying to grow their membership roster or sell

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<v Speaker 2>their newspapers. Sell there are magazines, and this is what

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<v Speaker 2>most of the protest actually is. They have tables set

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<v Speaker 2>up while people are giving speeches. They have people walking

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<v Speaker 2>around handing out pamphlets and flyers. And this protest was

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<v Speaker 2>not very big, Like I said, it was relatively small,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe two hundred and three hundred people because there's not

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of public buy in for this sort of thing,

0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:20.600
<v Speaker 2>because at this point, if anyone's been around, they know,

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<v Speaker 2>based on the flyers that get posted, what kind of

0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:24.399
<v Speaker 2>protest this is going to be. This is going to

0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:28.000
<v Speaker 2>be socialist communist organizations trying to grow their membership. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not a representative sample of the people of New York.

0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:33.960
<v Speaker 2>It is. It is people trying to sell magazines and

0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:37.640
<v Speaker 2>newspapers and books. And the fact that the entire proto

0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:41.320
<v Speaker 2>secret system for stuff like this is fully captured by

0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:44.160
<v Speaker 2>these sorts of organizations makes it really hard to grow

0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:47.040
<v Speaker 2>a genuine movement because people know that it's going to

0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:49.879
<v Speaker 2>be walking for thirty minutes and then people are going

0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:53.280
<v Speaker 2>to be shoving pamphlets in in their hand, and that's

0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:56.320
<v Speaker 2>the extent to what you are protesting. It is that

0:23:56.480 --> 0:23:59.760
<v Speaker 2>it's walking along a path led by the NYPD to

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<v Speaker 2>on this circle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm to this happening in almost every city in

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<v Speaker 1>the US, right, Like I saw a fly for one

0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:07.800
<v Speaker 1>in San Diego. Personally couldn't be asked to attend because,

0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:09.600
<v Speaker 1>as you say, like I knew what was going to happen,

0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:12.200
<v Speaker 1>and like the person in a high verse and a

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<v Speaker 1>clipboard was going to try and get my email address.

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<v Speaker 3>I will say that the thing, the thing that did

0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:18.159
<v Speaker 3>hearten me a little bit was that there were a

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<v Speaker 3>few protests, I mean just out in the Chicago suburbs,

0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:21.960
<v Speaker 3>which is not a place you normally have these that

0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:26.000
<v Speaker 3>weren't by these groups that were just pretty spontaneous on

0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:28.800
<v Speaker 3>the morning of the demonstration. But the sort of issue, yeah,

0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:31.600
<v Speaker 3>that you're fraying two Garrison is that like even these

0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:34.840
<v Speaker 3>spontaneous protests, the energy just gets captured by like the

0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:37.320
<v Speaker 3>PSL and these organizations that fundamentally don't want to do

0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:40.840
<v Speaker 3>anything other than grow their organization. And yeah, that was from.

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<v Speaker 1>In order to co opt the anger that's happening right now,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wanted to find out that anger and a

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<v Speaker 1>useless direction that burned people out on actimism. I wouldn't

0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:49.639
<v Speaker 1>change anything from the PSL.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean, and this is this has been what

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<v Speaker 3>the American anti war movement has looked like since the

0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:55.880
<v Speaker 3>Rock War demonstrations. Yeah, right, this was this was one

0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:58.000
<v Speaker 3>of the battles that happened inside of the Rock War

0:24:58.080 --> 0:24:59.760
<v Speaker 3>protests and it's one of the reasons why they didn't work.

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<v Speaker 2>And like, this is a very serious thing, Like this

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:05.679
<v Speaker 2>is a very serious military action that should warrant massive

0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:09.399
<v Speaker 2>public outcry. But protesting taps into a finite resource that

0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:12.200
<v Speaker 2>people have, and when you have an inclination that the

0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 2>protests are going to go this way, people might not

0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:17.080
<v Speaker 2>want to expend their personal resource because it is not

0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:20.120
<v Speaker 2>seriously putting pressure on anyone making decisions in the government.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is a very serious thing that we shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>under play for a second that like the United States

0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:29.199
<v Speaker 1>had done something which is completely illegal, right, which is

0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:31.720
<v Speaker 1>an act of war against a cerfin country. And like

0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:34.639
<v Speaker 1>me saying this doesn't mean I'm like amduro Stan. Anyone

0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:36.560
<v Speaker 1>who has listened to any portion of my work will

0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:40.280
<v Speaker 1>understand that. But it is incredibly serious to the US

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<v Speaker 1>and attempting to set a precedent that it could just

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<v Speaker 1>black bag heads of state. Whether or not the US

0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:47.639
<v Speaker 1>considers a legitimate right, their argument that the duor is

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<v Speaker 1>not legitimate, it doesn't matter. If they can just send

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<v Speaker 1>due to in helicopters to black people around the world,

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<v Speaker 1>then that is a very scary precedent.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I am going to head out and re

0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:02.760
<v Speaker 2>turned to the CEES show floor. I will say for

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:06.040
<v Speaker 2>the if you're doing a tariff talk segment. There has

0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:08.119
<v Speaker 2>been discussion of tariffs at CES that I have not

0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:10.960
<v Speaker 2>mentioned on the CES episodes so far two thumbs down

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<v Speaker 2>to two thumbs down on the tariffs from the Consumer

0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:17.399
<v Speaker 2>Electronics showcase. Now they're coming out with the bold stands

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<v Speaker 2>that they don't like the tarf.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Ivanka Trump was giving a keynote of dress

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<v Speaker 1>at the last CES that I attended.

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<v Speaker 3>Rock incredible, incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Well related news. I've stopped attended.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I have to keep attending now because the Secretary

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<v Speaker 2>to the US from Estonia was was googling me for

0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:42.159
<v Speaker 2>thirty minutes yesterday, so I might be getting a new passport.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh boy, speed, I.

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<v Speaker 1>F the AI prebanalyzing toilet for me, Garrison, I will

0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:51.160
<v Speaker 1>do so.

0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:53.720
<v Speaker 3>One of the questions that we had at the very

0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:57.280
<v Speaker 3>beginning of this operation was what is going to happen

0:26:57.400 --> 0:27:01.280
<v Speaker 3>to the US oil blockade on Venezuela, And the answer

0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:04.359
<v Speaker 3>is that it appears to still be in a fact,

0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:09.200
<v Speaker 3>the evidence of which is the US interdicting to oil tankers,

0:27:10.080 --> 0:27:13.240
<v Speaker 3>one of which they've been chasing for about a month

0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:16.679
<v Speaker 3>a few weeks, which is really funny if you know

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:20.439
<v Speaker 3>how large an oil tanker is, that you've fit in

0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:22.920
<v Speaker 3>a boat chased with an oil tanker.

0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:28.160
<v Speaker 1>It's like, I guess it's just so big they can't

0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:28.960
<v Speaker 1>make it stop.

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess.

0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:30.679
<v Speaker 2>So.

0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:34.000
<v Speaker 3>Apparently the demonstration is claiming that the coast Guard had

0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 3>attempted to board it, and they refuse to allow the

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:39.040
<v Speaker 3>Coastguard to board. But the only thing I can think

0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:42.400
<v Speaker 3>of is, you know those those giant vehicles they use

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:47.399
<v Speaker 3>to move rockets around at JPL or like like from JPL,

0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 3>like on the launch site where they have They can

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:51.320
<v Speaker 3>only move like five miles an hour, and they're the

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:53.639
<v Speaker 3>size of a rocket because you have to have a

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:54.840
<v Speaker 3>standing rocket on it.

0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 2>That's what it's like.

0:27:56.359 --> 0:28:04.200
<v Speaker 3>They're chasing an empty oil tanker the Atlantic. That's also

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:07.840
<v Speaker 3>worth noting that one of the very weird parts of

0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:10.879
<v Speaker 3>this is that I'm gonna quote quote from writers here.

0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:14.240
<v Speaker 3>Attorney General Pam Bondi said in a statement that the

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:18.200
<v Speaker 3>ship's crew had made quote frantic efforts to avoid apprehension,

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:20.920
<v Speaker 3>which again, I cannot emphasize this enough. This is an

0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 3>oil tanker, Like, this is not a speed This is

0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:29.480
<v Speaker 3>like the largest, like one of one of the largest

0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:32.399
<v Speaker 3>and most unwieldly craft that humanity has ever produced in

0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:38.720
<v Speaker 3>its entire history, Like, how are you getting frantically the tanker? Yeah,

0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 3>I don't know an oil taker evasive maneuvers And this

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 3>is this is also from the Raiders thing end quote

0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:55.480
<v Speaker 3>failed to obey coast Guard orders and so faces criminal charges,

0:28:56.320 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 3>which sucks. But also I like, if you're getting evaded

0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:05.320
<v Speaker 3>by an oil tanker, that is a skill issue, Like

0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:09.600
<v Speaker 3>you can there are websites where you can track these things.

0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 3>They have transponders, like when this thing was captured, ITAs

0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:18.080
<v Speaker 3>transponder was on. So this skill issue. I good lord.

0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:20.720
<v Speaker 3>On a more serious note, this is this is part

0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:24.360
<v Speaker 3>of that initial oil blockade of sanctioned Venezuela and oil

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:26.640
<v Speaker 3>that began last year. The US government has been saying

0:29:26.640 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 3>that this ship and the other ship that the other

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:33.440
<v Speaker 3>oil tanker that they've seized are basically ghost chips, which

0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:35.000
<v Speaker 3>we talked about another episode. I don't if you want

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 3>to explain again what that is, James, but.

0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're often old ships that are either reflagged, or

0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:45.040
<v Speaker 1>the ships that have been retired and are returned, or

0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 1>the ships have been scraped and someone has taken their

0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 1>name and it's using it so that they pay elect

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 1>ships you know, coming back from the dead. But often

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:55.960
<v Speaker 1>they will reflag or rename halfway through their trip, and

0:29:56.000 --> 0:30:01.040
<v Speaker 1>it's a bunch of boat law stuff to avoid sanctions,

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 1>is what they tend to be.

0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:07.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And so that's the US's justification for seizing two

0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:09.840
<v Speaker 3>more oil tankers, which again I also kind of emphasize

0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:11.600
<v Speaker 3>enough that this also is an active work.

0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:12.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:13.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, were they flagged as Venezuelan.

0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:16.800
<v Speaker 3>No one of them was flaged as Russian, and I

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:19.680
<v Speaker 3>haven't seen anything about what the other ship was flagged as.

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:25.400
<v Speaker 3>China has protested the seizures of these boats, but there

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:28.280
<v Speaker 3>hasn't really been anything other than diplomatic noise so far

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 3>from the Chinese government. Who if there was a government

0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:34.880
<v Speaker 3>on the world stage who was going to do a

0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:37.080
<v Speaker 3>serious protest about this, I think it would have been

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 3>either Russia or China, And we haven't really seen anything

0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:45.480
<v Speaker 3>more significant than the diplomats being annoyed. So we will

0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:48.200
<v Speaker 3>continue to see how this oil blockade plays out and

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 3>the effects that it has on people in Venezuela. I

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 3>wish I had a better adput for this, but I don't.

0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 3>So here's ads.

0:30:57.040 --> 0:30:59.240
<v Speaker 1>Well, they liked oil tankers, may they just rumble along

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 1>and you can't stop. We've been unable to interdictment.

0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 3>We are back from our failed ad intradiction. Do you

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 3>want to talk about Syria, James, Oh.

0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:27.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is James Grim the rest of the world segment.

0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 1>And because a lot of bad stuff is happening and

0:31:29.120 --> 0:31:30.920
<v Speaker 1>some of it's not going to punch into like your

0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:35.000
<v Speaker 1>mainstream US news media diet. So right now, pretty serious

0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:38.320
<v Speaker 1>fighting has broken out in a leper right. Syrian Transitional

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:42.080
<v Speaker 1>government forces are shelling and attempting to enter the Kurdish

0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:47.160
<v Speaker 1>enclave shikmuk Sud. Shipmunk Sud is like an area in

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:49.320
<v Speaker 1>where Curdish and other people right there with Christian people.

0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 1>There is ZD people who live there have this enclave

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:57.960
<v Speaker 1>has remained right despite the the regime taking over of

0:31:58.040 --> 0:32:00.520
<v Speaker 1>the Syrian traditional government taking over the rest of them read,

0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:04.080
<v Speaker 1>they didn't take over the areas. Area has remained under

0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 1>the control of the aa n S the Autonomous Administration

0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:11.280
<v Speaker 1>of North and East Syria AKA or Java, but they

0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:13.479
<v Speaker 1>have demilitarized it. And what that means is that there

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:16.920
<v Speaker 1>are only internal security forces who are called sash in

0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Kurdish in this region, but piers that what happened was

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:24.720
<v Speaker 1>that an SDF drone unit struck an STG vehicle with

0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:29.000
<v Speaker 1>a drone. STG Syrian Transitional Government, right, that's the Jiulani

0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 1>al Shara government, and of course they have another acronym

0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:38.000
<v Speaker 1>just yeah yeah, the acronyms we over yeah, they're yeah

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:42.160
<v Speaker 1>good always more so, they hit this std Veglan dat Hafa,

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 1>and then the STG seemed to respond by dropping grenades

0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 1>into Ship Maksoud from drones, and then the SASH responded

0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:51.680
<v Speaker 1>with drones and conflict began.

0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:55.479
<v Speaker 1>What's different from then There has been conflict on and

0:32:55.520 --> 0:32:58.960
<v Speaker 1>off in shipmak Sud for a long time, but in

0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:03.280
<v Speaker 1>the last year, right since HTS moved from Aleppo to

0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 1>seize most of the country. HTS Tolio alf Sham a

0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 1>group that was formerly on the Foreign Terrorist Organization that's

0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:11.800
<v Speaker 1>the United States, but no longer is what we have

0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:14.280
<v Speaker 1>seen here is not only shelling of the ship mac

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Suden neighborhood and shalling in response or mortify and respond

0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 1>for the SACH don't have heavy weapons, that's not their role.

0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 1>The STG has also attempted to enter Ship Maxu to

0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 1>seize it.

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:31.400
<v Speaker 1>This has obviously prompted thousands of people to flee because

0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:35.720
<v Speaker 1>they are worried very reasonably about groups that were previously

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:39.200
<v Speaker 1>known under the banner of the SNA or the Turkish

0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:43.760
<v Speaker 1>f SA, who have previously conducted ethnic cleansing of Kurdish

0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 1>people in areas that they have managed to take control of. Right,

0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:53.840
<v Speaker 1>who have murdered civilians, who have executed women in Kurdish politics.

0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:56.960
<v Speaker 1>There's every reason for the civilian interfere that are happening again,

0:33:57.200 --> 0:34:00.880
<v Speaker 1>right because the Syrian Transitional Government has too often just

0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:04.000
<v Speaker 1>rebadged SNA units with a long and storied history of

0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 1>war crimes and not done anything to stop them doing

0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:09.560
<v Speaker 1>it again. But also, some of these are not SNA units.

0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:12.799
<v Speaker 1>Some of these are Syrian Transitional Government units from other

0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:16.800
<v Speaker 1>parts of Syria. Nonetheless, like there's this attempt and incursion

0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:21.719
<v Speaker 1>into the neighborhood is remarkable, it's different. As I write this,

0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 1>the SDG appeared to be staging to enter the neighborhood again.

0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:29.319
<v Speaker 1>Very amusingly, they took a video showing this, which also

0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:32.799
<v Speaker 1>revealed the position of all their armor on telegram.

0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:36.680
<v Speaker 3>Classic classic serience of a war stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:39.800
<v Speaker 3>everyone loves to be revealing their position on telegram.

0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:44.839
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, maybe when I when I reopened telegram, those

0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:46.200
<v Speaker 1>guys would have been wiped out by a bunch of

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:46.520
<v Speaker 1>your owns.

0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:47.040
<v Speaker 3>Who knows.

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:49.600
<v Speaker 1>But yet it continues to be a flashpoint. And this

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:51.719
<v Speaker 1>is the most serious flare up we've seen in a

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:54.080
<v Speaker 1>long time. Right, there was supposed to be an agreement

0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:58.240
<v Speaker 1>for the integration of the SDF into Syrian Transitional Government

0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Ministry of Defense. That has failed. They haven't come to

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:05.759
<v Speaker 1>an agreement. Various sources are reporting various things about what

0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:09.680
<v Speaker 1>they wanted or specifically what the SDF wanted for YPG.

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Who are the Women's Defense Forces and there are that

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:16.880
<v Speaker 1>is a definite red line for them. They won't disband that.

0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:18.799
<v Speaker 1>The other women won't put down their death right and

0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 1>for very reasonable reasons. We don't know exactly if the

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:25.719
<v Speaker 1>starting transitional government refuse to accept them in any way.

0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:27.480
<v Speaker 1>They have said they wouldn't do that, They have said

0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:29.200
<v Speaker 1>they would accept them, but we don't really have like

0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:32.400
<v Speaker 1>a very clear picture of the last round of negotiations.

0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:38.280
<v Speaker 1>Talking of Kurdish armed groups, let's go from Jaba to Roja,

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:42.719
<v Speaker 1>that right across Kurdistan from west to east. Just looking

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:46.480
<v Speaker 1>at the little compass in my head. In Iran, protests

0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:51.160
<v Speaker 1>have grown around the country. These protests began largely because

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:53.680
<v Speaker 1>of the decreased purchasing power of people's money.

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:54.000
<v Speaker 2>There.

0:35:54.719 --> 0:35:58.080
<v Speaker 1>Of course, the protests have further reduced that and people

0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:03.240
<v Speaker 1>are really feeling that nomic bite right now. This time.

0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:06.680
<v Speaker 1>What is different is that armed groups have come out

0:36:07.040 --> 0:36:11.200
<v Speaker 1>in support. I saw Lead, the name translates as People's

0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:14.239
<v Speaker 1>Revolutionary in Front had assassinated a car breather. It's like

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:18.160
<v Speaker 1>a drive by Pak so Pak, one of the smaller

0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Kurdish paramilitary groups. I made an episode I think it

0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:25.720
<v Speaker 1>was called what does Bombing Mean for Freedom in Iran

0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:29.279
<v Speaker 1>last year with Gordain and I will try and get

0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:32.000
<v Speaker 1>back with Gordy soon to talk more about this. But

0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:34.239
<v Speaker 1>if you're wondering who are all these groups? What are

0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:36.360
<v Speaker 1>all these acronyms, that's the episode you need to go to.

0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:41.279
<v Speaker 1>So Pak, Peshmoker have been killed, right, which is a

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:47.480
<v Speaker 1>significant change. There have been armed elements in these protests

0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 1>and there has been a unity statement both from the

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:54.440
<v Speaker 1>different Kurdish armed groups. I think it was Piak Pak

0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:58.480
<v Speaker 1>and Kamala who made this statement, right, and then also

0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:03.720
<v Speaker 1>from coalition of Kurdish means organizations. It's organization from across

0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:06.440
<v Speaker 1>that political spectrum, but in that part of the world,

0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:10.480
<v Speaker 1>coming together to denounce the actions of the regime, which include,

0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:14.040
<v Speaker 1>for instance, in Alarm Province riot police storming a hospital.

0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:16.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know people will have seen that video, but

0:37:16.320 --> 0:37:17.920
<v Speaker 1>it was extremely surving.

0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:22.560
<v Speaker 3>Has there been any movement from the blushy independence groups, Yeah,

0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 3>sure there has, Yeah, but I know, I'm pretty sure

0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:28.239
<v Speaker 3>it was a VOLUSI group. I remember in the twenty

0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:30.400
<v Speaker 3>nineteen protests, the most military goal was I think a

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:33.040
<v Speaker 3>blueshy group like fired at RPG at a police track point,

0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:35.560
<v Speaker 3>but it never really sort of spread beyond that.

0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. There are different Yeah, there are

0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:44.120
<v Speaker 1>a number of like volutions groups. I'm not aware of

0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:48.440
<v Speaker 1>their involvement. There have definitely been like police repression there

0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:52.160
<v Speaker 1>like there was everywhere else. Right, Yeah, absolutely, I will

0:37:52.160 --> 0:37:54.600
<v Speaker 1>try and probably cabin it in a whole episode next week.

0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:54.799
<v Speaker 2>There.

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:56.160
<v Speaker 1>I've had a lot of time to prepare on that

0:37:56.960 --> 0:37:59.720
<v Speaker 1>with all the craziness. I did see that this morning,

0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:02.760
<v Speaker 1>So we're on the seventh again. The armed forces attack

0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:05.440
<v Speaker 1>protesters in the Grand Bazaar and Tehran, which if you're

0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:08.240
<v Speaker 1>not aware has a tremendous significance right from their seventy

0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:13.160
<v Speaker 1>nine revolution there, and Trump has thrown twentyvene as he

0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:13.680
<v Speaker 1>always does.

0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:17.680
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, exactly perfectly what the regime wants. There's a

0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:22.080
<v Speaker 3>lesson to portray themselves as defenders of Iranian sovereignty, et cetera,

0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:24.399
<v Speaker 3>et cetera. Acainst American imperialism.

0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, America grade satan. Moving on, let's talk about Israel.

0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Israel has threatened to withhold I believe it has now

0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:40.640
<v Speaker 1>withheld registration to operate in Gaza from MSFIER OXPAN and

0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:44.120
<v Speaker 1>a number of other aid organizations. MSF, I'm just going

0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 1>to quote from them called it a cynical and calculated

0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:49.040
<v Speaker 1>attempt to prevent organizations from providing services in Gaza in

0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:51.480
<v Speaker 1>the West Bank, which is a breach of Israel's obligations

0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:55.480
<v Speaker 1>under international humanitarian law. It's just them trying to further

0:38:55.640 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 1>starve people to death. Right, there's no other Reasonably's has

0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:03.120
<v Speaker 1>made the claim that these groups have been infiltrated by militants.

0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:06.560
<v Speaker 1>That is a barkable conjecture, Like it's a bad joke,

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:11.799
<v Speaker 1>Like I've worked with MSF and OXFAM all over the world. Right,

0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:14.640
<v Speaker 1>there were a lot of criticisms of them. I would

0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:16.719
<v Speaker 1>make one of them is not that they have been

0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:19.399
<v Speaker 1>infiltrated by shocking on us like you're having a laugh.

0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:22.160
<v Speaker 1>I want to do a hard episode on this.

0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:22.839
<v Speaker 2>But like.

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<v Speaker 1>When Brian talks about two plus two weekals five in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty four, this is where that gets us, right,

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<v Speaker 1>when you can just say something that is blatantly false

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<v Speaker 1>and force people to agree that it is true. That

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<v Speaker 1>is the project of genocide because it first has to

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<v Speaker 1>destroy the truth to justify what it is doing. And

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<v Speaker 1>we are seeing that happening. And a very brief migration update. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>in the case before George Bosberg regarding the Alien Enemies

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<v Speaker 1>Act that we've brought about before, the Trump administration asked

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<v Speaker 1>for a delay because of the changing situation in Venz Whaler, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there wasnt for delay so they can

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<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, it's not safe for people to go back,

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<v Speaker 1>we'd better keep hold of them and treat them nicely.

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<v Speaker 1>It is nice suspicion that any agreement they come to

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<v Speaker 1>with the Rodrigez the regime will include that it must

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<v Speaker 1>accept people back. And as I said in the other episode, right,

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<v Speaker 1>these people are going back to a country which is

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<v Speaker 1>deeply paranoid about American spies, and they have lived in America.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not going to be good for them. And

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<v Speaker 1>the City of San Diego has sued the Trump in

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<v Speaker 1>administration for damage to city property on Marin Valley Road

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<v Speaker 1>or as father complaint today to do so. I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>of doing it. It's also deeply hypocritical. Right Mayor Tod

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<v Speaker 1>Glauria was out there asking for more border security finding Underbiden,

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<v Speaker 1>the defunded the office in the city which would welcome

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<v Speaker 1>refugees and migrants, like, is it just a publicity thing?

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<v Speaker 3>Probably?

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<v Speaker 1>These people don't care. Right when migrants were being held

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<v Speaker 1>in the open air in San Diego County, in San

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<v Speaker 1>Diego City, these people weren't there and still glad's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>But don't for one second believe the people get a

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<v Speaker 1>single shit about but migrates they don't and don't for

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<v Speaker 1>one second. Thing they're voting for them is voting to

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<v Speaker 1>be kind to migrants, because it's not told. Laurier is

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<v Speaker 1>a liar and just like everything else, he is using

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<v Speaker 1>this an opportunity to promote himself and he's a terrible person.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, in this case they are suming for trespassing

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<v Speaker 1>and placing the razor wire on city property. It's city property.

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<v Speaker 1>This way outside of where you would think the city

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<v Speaker 1>of San Diego is. It's just adjacent to o turn

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<v Speaker 1>Out and wilderness. But I think they have it there

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<v Speaker 1>for water rights reasons or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Brief teriff update, not tariff news. This week, however, Comma

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<v Speaker 3>the Supreme Court is expected to roll on the giant

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<v Speaker 3>case over a wide swath of Trump's tariffs this Friday.

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<v Speaker 3>So next week we will explain what happened there on

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<v Speaker 3>the Fallout. As you're listening to this episode, that decision

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<v Speaker 3>might have already been released. Have fun and put a

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<v Speaker 3>transferl on your.

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<v Speaker 4>And uh, you know, we reported the news.

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<v Speaker 2>We reported the news.

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