1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Alzon Media. 2 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 2: This is it could Happen here Executive Disorder, our usually 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 2: weekly newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 2: crumbling world, and what it means for you. I'm Garrisondeo's Dam, 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: joined by Mia Wong, James Stout, and Sophie Lichterman. This episode, 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: we're covering the events from the end of December to 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: the first week of January. 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the events are not good. 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 4: Did not start off to a slow start whatsoever, did 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 4: not ease into the new year. 11 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, this might be the worst just the worst first 12 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 3: week of a year I can remember it. I remember 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 3: twenty twenty. 14 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: Oh worst year ever potentially maya. 15 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:51,639 Speaker 2: I long for. 16 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 3: The halcyon days in which twenty twenty was the worst 17 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 3: year we'd ever experienced. 18 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: I started twenty twenty cycling around Rwanda, and I had 19 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,639 Speaker 1: great start twenty twenty. This has not been a great 20 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: start it. 21 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 3: No, Yeah, let's talk about the event that happened several 22 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 3: hours before we started recording this. We were recording this 23 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 3: again on Wednesday, January seventh, so I don't think there's 24 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 3: gonna be any new information about this. But yeah, hours 25 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 3: before we started recording Ice shot and killed a woman 26 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 3: in her car at a routine anti ICE action in Minneapolis. 27 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 3: From the videos, these protests are identical to thousands of 28 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 3: other small scale protests against ICE raids, where pissed off 29 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 3: locals blow whistles and scream at the ICE agents who 30 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 3: carry off their friends and family in the dead of night. 31 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 3: The video shows ICE agents approaching a stopped car. One 32 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 3: agent tries to open the front car door elle screaming 33 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 3: get the fuck out, while another walks in front of 34 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: the car as it backs up to pull away from 35 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 3: the scene. As the vehicle pulls forward to drive away, 36 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 3: the ICE agent pulls out his gun and shoots the 37 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 3: dry This is the agent's immediate response. There is no 38 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 3: verbal warning. He simply pulls out the gun and shoots. 39 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 3: There are videos out there you will see. I have 40 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 3: seen three angles of it so far. The videos are 41 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 3: graphic and gut wrenching, as we'll get into in a second, 42 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 3: so be warns if you are trying to watch them, 43 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 3: you are just going to see ICE murder a woman. 44 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 3: The agent, I can fairly definitively say, was in absolutely 45 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 3: no danger. Again, he simply steps aside from the slow 46 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 3: moving vehicle. He has enough time to take a shot 47 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 3: and then step aside and take two more shots. The 48 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 3: video is just heart wrenching. The closest angle we have, 49 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 3: the woman recording the video is screaming no as the 50 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 3: agent pulls out his gun and shoots. There's another video 51 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 3: that shows there is a passenger inside of the van 52 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 3: and it just so starts sitting on the ground, sobbing 53 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 3: and saying, they killed my wife. I don't know what 54 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 3: to do. It is one of the most heart wrenching 55 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 3: things I have ever seen. Having watched the videos of both, 56 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 3: it is eerily similar to ICE's murder of Silvero Viegas 57 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 3: Gonzalez in Chicago in September, who was also killed while 58 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 3: attempting to drive away from ICE agents, and who the 59 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: DHS has likewise accused of committing acts of domestic terrorism 60 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 3: by attempting to ram agents. It is clear from both 61 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 3: videos that is not what was going on. Both these 62 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 3: people were simply trying to pull away from the ICE agents, 63 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 3: the other shooting that this is very similar to that 64 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 3: I think has been getting more press comparisons, even though 65 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 3: in terms of what actually happens in the video that 66 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: we have, I think it's closer to the actual murder, 67 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 3: but it is also very, very similar to an incident 68 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 3: in Chicago last year where Border patrol agents hunted and 69 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 3: then shot Mary mar Martinez, who thankfully survived but was 70 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 3: charged by the federal government for domestic terrorism, a case 71 00:03:55,120 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 3: which thankfully completely collapsed after, among other things, the contents 72 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 3: of a group chat were released in which Charles ExHAM, 73 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 3: who's the agent who shot her, was bragging about shooting 74 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 3: the woman in Chicago. So that's I think a valuable 75 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 3: insight into the mindset of these people is that when 76 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 3: one of these went to trial, we got a group 77 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 3: chat where the agent who shot a different woman in 78 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 3: a very similar situation was bragging about it. In the 79 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 3: immediate wake of this Trump post, untrue social that the 80 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 3: driver in Minneapolis quote willfully and viciously ran over the 81 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 3: ice officer who seems to have shot her in self 82 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 3: defense end quote. And then he then links to a 83 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 3: video which is a bad angle of the shooting that 84 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 3: also does not show what he claims at all, because 85 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 3: he is simply from the video footage we have available, 86 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 3: this is simply a lie. 87 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, after the person was shot, that vehicle continued moving 88 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: forward and struck a parked car. That is not unusual 89 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: in the case when somebody's shot driving a vehicle, right, 90 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: like when you jump forward onto the pedals. 91 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's two things I want to emphasize here. One 92 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 3: is that the DHS always releases statements. This is the 93 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 3: third shooting like this that we've had since these massive 94 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 3: immigration rays began. Every single time they release a statements 95 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 3: where they accuse the driver of intentionally attempting to ram 96 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 3: the agent, it has never been true. We have seen 97 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 3: three attempts of this, We have seen the videos and 98 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 3: three attempts of this. It has been false every single time. 99 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 3: Major media outlets continue to just post the statements without 100 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 3: any of the context. That these people have been lying 101 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 3: about this every single time. And that. The second thing 102 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 3: that I want to emphasize about this is how normal 103 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 3: of a protest this was. This is just a completely 104 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 3: ordinary ice action. It looks like every other anti ice 105 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 3: action I have ever seen. It wasn't a particularly large one. 106 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 3: It was just a group of people who were on 107 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 3: the street. In the video where the woman is sobbing 108 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 3: about her wife, she says that they pulled up to 109 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 3: film the ICE agents. Yeah, it's heart wrenching. There have 110 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 3: been lots of protests. Greg Bavino, whose influential word patrol 111 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 3: officer we have talked about many times on the show, 112 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 3: was at the scene. And it's also work noting this 113 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 3: comes within twenty four hours of the White House announcing 114 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 3: their giant operation in Minneapolis to deploy two thousand federal agents. 115 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 2: This was specifically a new surge that started on Tuesday, 116 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: January sixth, and Yeah, literally less than twenty four hours 117 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: after this surge, Ice killed a woman. Yeah. 118 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 3: The thing I want to end on in the of 119 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 3: the immediate analysis, if we talk a bit about the 120 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 3: protests that have been happening, is that absolutely hauntingly, today's 121 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 3: murder took place less than a mile away from where 122 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 3: police officer Derek Schauvin murder George Floyd, which is Yeah, 123 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 3: it is as clear a demonstration of the continuity of 124 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 3: the violence of the American state as can pop possibly 125 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 3: be produced. Yeah, And I think the other pattern that 126 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 3: we've seen specifically in these protests is pulling weapons on 127 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 3: people constantly, even more so than normal police would. And 128 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 3: you know, I remember a lot of people I've talked 129 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 3: to in Chicago. One of the things that they said, 130 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 3: is that, Yeah, this is if they're eventually going to 131 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 3: shoot someone. They've now shot a third person in the 132 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 3: course of these operations, and presumably as long as they're 133 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 3: allowed to continue, they will probably shoot more people. Because 134 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 3: one of the things that's the best apparent from this 135 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,679 Speaker 3: video is that this is the sort of muscle memory 136 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 3: reaction that they have to being in front of a 137 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 3: car that's moving towards them. There's no thinking, there's no thought. 138 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 3: They just pull out the gun. Shoot. Yeah. 139 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: I mean he's shooting the same time he's moving sideways 140 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: out of the way of the of the car. Yeah. 141 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: He just as easily could have not fired, and it 142 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: would have had the same result. He just chose to fire. 143 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 144 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: A little over an hour after the shooting, Mayor Jacob 145 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 2: Afray of Napolis gave a press conference where he said 146 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 2: this to Ice. 147 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 5: There's little I can say again that'll make this situation better. 148 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 5: But I do have a message for our community, for 149 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 5: a city, and I have a message for Ice to Ice, 150 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 5: get the fuck out of Minneapolis. We do not want 151 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 5: you here. Your stated reason for being in this city 152 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 5: is to create some kind of safety, and you are 153 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 5: doing exactly the opposite. People are being hurt, Families are 154 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 5: being ripped apart. Long term Minneapolis residents that have contributed 155 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 5: so greatly to our city. 156 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 2: To our culture, to our. 157 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 5: Economy are being terrorized. And now somebody is dead. That's 158 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 5: on you, and it's also on you to leave. It's 159 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 5: on you to make sure that further damage, further loss 160 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 5: of life and injury is not done. We're going to 161 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 5: be working towards justice as quickly as we possibly can 162 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,599 Speaker 5: right now, and justice is what we've all got to get. 163 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 3: Fray, I think is just is reflecting the sentiments of 164 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 3: the city right now. There are immediate protests in I 165 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 3: mean within minutes of the shooting. There are people showing up. 166 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 3: Protests have been intensifying. 167 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 2: Crowd's have got tear guest like thirty minutes after the shooting. 168 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and Bovino is there are pictures 169 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 3: of him on scene while these protesters are sort of 170 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 3: ramping up. So we will see what happens in Minneapolis 171 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 3: in the coming days. 172 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 2: Solidarity protests have already been announced in Portland and Philadelphia. Yeah, 173 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: and I'm sure more cities will follow in the coming hours. 174 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, We'll give an update next week if more 175 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 3: information becomes available. I think the events themselves are fairly clear, 176 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 3: but we will see what the federal reaction to this 177 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 3: is going to be and what the reaction on the 178 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 3: ground is, and we will keep you updated. 179 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: That's and sabmads here, and we'll be back to talk 180 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: about Venzuela. We are back with the second wild story 181 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: of this week, which is that the United States supposed 182 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: to be United States Special Forces radio Caracas last week 183 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: and kidnapped President Maduro, who was the president of Venezuela 184 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: and his wife. We covered the details of this in 185 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: a whole episode, so I'm not going to go over 186 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: any great detail here, and that's already out. Trump kidnaps 187 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: Venezuelan President Maduro is the name of that episode, so 188 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: you should be able to find out. 189 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 2: The feed he danced too close to the sun. 190 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: I'm not so sure the dancing was the fact of it. 191 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: I will only update that to say a couple of things. 192 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: First of all, we know that there were in excess 193 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: of fifty Venezuelan casualties, right, I should say there were 194 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: in excess of fifty casualties. 195 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 2: Some of those would probably cubed sebecurity for. 196 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,719 Speaker 1: US Uban nationals year in a military advice kind of 197 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: a prestige posting, but military advisor kind of role, and 198 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: that there were injuries to US troops we didn't hear 199 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: about first, So US troops and US helicopters did sustain 200 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: some damage, but there were no people killed on the 201 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: United States side. And Donald Trump has truth that I'm 202 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: just going to read this one. I think, God, we 203 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: can do our best to understand it. I am pleased 204 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: to announce that interim authorities in Venezuela will be turning 205 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: over between thirty and fifty million barrels of high quality, 206 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: sanctioned oil to the United States of America. This oil 207 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: will be sold at its market price, and that money 208 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: will be controlled by me, as President of the United 209 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: States of America, to ensure that it's used to benefit 210 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: the people of Venezuela and the United States. I have 211 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: asked Energy Secretary Chris Right to execute this plan immediately. 212 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: It will be taken by storage ships and bought directly 213 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: to unloading docks in the United States. Thank you for 214 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: your attention to this matter. Donald J. Trump, President of 215 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: the United States of America. 216 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 3: You know I distinctly remember the days the halcyon days 217 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 3: when I was a child, when saying no war for 218 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 3: oil was a provocative political statement because the leaders of 219 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 3: our country insisted that the wars were not in fact 220 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 3: for oil. 221 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 222 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, all that has dropped and we do not give 223 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 2: a single duck anymore. 224 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 3: No, it were just openly doing the thing they were 225 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 3: doing before. 226 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's wild to think of the Bush era of 227 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: a golden age of at least pretending it is extraordinarily vague. Right, 228 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: how much this oil is it being turned over over 229 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: what period of time? It's Venezuela. They were expected to 230 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: extract and refine the oil then hand it over, or 231 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: it's going to give you as companies the right to 232 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: do that. 233 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 3: They don't have much of the processing facilities. There's like one, 234 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 3: I think American processing facility that can process the kind 235 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 3: of crew that comes out of Venezuela. But it's difficult. 236 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 3: We talked about this more in the other episode. But 237 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 3: it's de Venezuela and oil sucks. It's difficult to refine, 238 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 3: it's no. 239 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: High qual What are you talking about here in the 240 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: post Man, I don't know, I don't know. I've been 241 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: hearing the truth. 242 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, in the truth. 243 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,719 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Garrison. That really does make it 244 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: sound like I'm reading from the Bible at church and 245 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: think that God, we'll say the oil is not sanctioned. 246 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: That's not how sanctions work. Sanctioned countries and people, not things. 247 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: Bizarre center structure is Yeah, it's doing a lot for me. So, Yeah, 248 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: I talked about the Rodriguez option in the last show, 249 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: and I guess this is kind of confirming a lot 250 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: of what we get speculated about there. 251 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 3: That's assuming this happens. By the way, I will say 252 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 3: that there was some dip in oil prices today over 253 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 3: the exact plication of this is real. But I don't 254 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 3: know how well connected those people are, either quite frankly, 255 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 3: or how much of an understanding anyone has over whether 256 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 3: this is going to happen or not. We don't know. 257 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 3: He just says things, and sometimes they happen and sometimes 258 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 3: they don't, and there's no actual way to tell which 259 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 3: ones are going to come true and which ones are 260 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 3: just him posting. 261 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 2: From Trump's mouth to Rubio's ears. 262 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Riba said something different in an interview. 263 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: Trump says it again, and then yeah, there we go. Yeah, 264 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: it does look like they are attempting to pursue the 265 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: strategy which you spoke about, which isn't The only thing 266 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: getting liberated in Venezuela is the oil. Right that they 267 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: will allow the regime to continue. They will not be 268 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: any attempt at regime change. They just want a puppet 269 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: version of the old regime which they can manipulate purely, 270 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: apparently for their own financial benefit with oil. 271 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also worth noting that Trump is claiming that 272 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 3: he personally is going to be controlling the money after 273 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 3: it's sold at market price, a sentence that any other 274 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 3: time in American history would be the most dictatorial thing 275 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 3: you've ever seen, but pales in comparison to the fact 276 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 3: that he is claiming to be running a country after 277 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 3: a war that he unilaterally started without congress. 278 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: So, I mean, is it even accurate to call it 279 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: a war? It seems like it's like a single military action. 280 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 2: Now it's it's like an act of war, I guess, right. 281 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 3: But okay, if you combined the blockades, which are an 282 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 3: active war, and we'll get to blockades more in a second, 283 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 3: and this, I think this is just a war. 284 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: Like I mean, I went to the protest in New 285 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 2: York the morning after the action, and you know, a 286 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 2: lot of a lot of chance for about you know, 287 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: no war in Venezuela, you know, no more bombs in Venezuela. 288 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: And like it looks like they're kind of done. They 289 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: they're kind of done with the bombs. They're kind of 290 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 2: done with the war. 291 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 3: Here's the thing though, So Trump has also said that 292 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 3: if the current government of Venezuela refuses to comply, he 293 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 3: will do. 294 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: More strikes WHOA than he did mad. 295 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's always kind of difficult to parse exactly 296 00:15:58,400 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 3: what's going on there, but. 297 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a potential for more US action, definitely because 298 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: it seems like right now they are paid to have 299 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: got roughly what they wanted. And then like there's also 300 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: the potential for this do you any number of ways? Right, 301 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: Like things could continue to deteriorate for the regime there, Like, 302 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: like what does it mean for their ability They have 303 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: previously had the ability to use various kind of nefarious 304 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: reflaggings of boats, which mean is going to talk about 305 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: a second here to obtain some income, right, Like, if 306 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: they're not even able to do that, it's get even worse. Right, 307 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: And the economic situation in Venezuela could very easily get worse. 308 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: I know everyone I've spoken to there is out trying 309 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: to stock up on nonperishable food and they don't know 310 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: what the future holds to them. Plus you now have, 311 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: as we saw earlier in this week, very trigger happy 312 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: pro government militias will probably be the best way to 313 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: describe it. Like in this case, so they were shooting 314 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: at a drone up in the air. But I think 315 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: there's very clearly still a lot of tension in the country. 316 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 2: So on Saturday morning, after the military action in Venezuela, 317 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 2: I went to the protest in New York, like like 318 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: I previously mentioned, and I've put together this little audio 319 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 2: report that I recorded at the protest that takes you 320 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 2: through about like an hour's worth of protest activity. And yeah, 321 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 2: give it a give it a lesson. It is Saturday, 322 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 2: January third, two fifty four pm. I am in Times 323 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 2: Square with I would say two hundred to three hundred 324 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 2: people protesting US action in Venezuela as well as Iran 325 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 2: and the genocide in Palestine. Kind of a mix of causes, 326 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 2: but mostly talking about Venezuela and the military extradition of 327 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 2: President Maduro. Like The organizational structure at this protest seems 328 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 2: to be mostly propped up by various communist organizations. There's 329 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 2: a revolution Communist Party tabling. There's the BOB, a vacant 330 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 2: refuse fascism organization with a lot of banners and signs. 331 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 2: PSL has a bunch of banners and signs, as well 332 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: as the Kuney Internationalist student group, which is tied to 333 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 2: the New York City Public University system. They have some 334 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 2: homemade signs, the only signs actually drawn on paper probably 335 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 2: this morning, versus all of the PSL signs, which appear 336 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 2: pre printed and pre prepared. A rotating selection of speakers 337 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: have given speeches for the past hour, and now at 338 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 2: three pm, this relatively small crowd for a New York 339 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 2: protest is leading a march south. I don't know, I'm 340 00:18:52,800 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 2: not alive. The march is taking up probably about one 341 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 2: city block just outside of Times Square on forty third 342 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 2: and eighth, turning on to eighth Avenue. Now after about 343 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: ten minutes of marching and why hed bikes at the 344 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 2: front of the march as well as on foot officers 345 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 2: on either side of the crowd not like a huge presence. 346 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: I've maybe seen cumulatively one hundred or so cops, which 347 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 2: is actually not that much for New York, especially based 348 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 2: on how spread out they are, because maybe like two 349 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 2: dozen cops on either side of the march, just walking 350 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 2: walking on the sidewalk, and then maybe another another two 351 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 2: to three dozen in the front and more in the back, 352 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: so between fifty to one hundred. A little over fifteen 353 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 2: minutes into the march. They have now moved up to 354 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 2: forty seventh Street. At this point, there's been zero conflict 355 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 2: with the police. They mostly facilitated the traffic around the 356 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 2: march as people continue to chant and walk north. The 357 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 2: crowd has been marching for over thirty five minutes and 358 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 2: now are arriving at what I assume is their destination, 359 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 2: Columbus Circle up at fifty eighth Street and Broadway. No 360 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: scuffles with the police. There was like two guys in 361 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 2: mega hats, kind of I'm trying to antagonize the side 362 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 2: of the crowd. For the past fifteen minutes, nothing really happened. 363 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 2: One random dude came out of a convenience store yelling 364 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 2: fuck ro Duro, trying to agitate some people in the crowd, 365 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: but everyone just moved on and now they are approaching 366 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 2: Columbus Circle. 367 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 5: The decent people in this country needs to answer. 368 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 6: The people of the hole. What are we gonna do? 369 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 6: This is not a time for protract the usual. 370 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 3: There needs to be a full regime, not a minute 371 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 3: failing for right here in the US country. 372 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 6: Oh my, guys, got interest in. 373 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 2: Police are now very lightly directing people into Columbus Circle, 374 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 2: onto the plaza and off of the street. Some groups 375 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 2: are hacking up their protests signs and bags and starting 376 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: to peel off. So as expected, this protest was done 377 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 2: by a coalition of anti imperialist leftist, socialist communist organizations. 378 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 2: You have the Party for Socialism and Liberation PSL and 379 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 2: all of these other like communist groups who are all 380 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 2: primarily either trying to grow their membership roster or sell 381 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 2: their newspapers. Sell there are magazines, and this is what 382 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 2: most of the protest actually is. They have tables set 383 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 2: up while people are giving speeches. They have people walking 384 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 2: around handing out pamphlets and flyers. And this protest was 385 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 2: not very big, Like I said, it was relatively small, 386 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 2: maybe two hundred and three hundred people because there's not 387 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 2: a lot of public buy in for this sort of thing, 388 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: because at this point, if anyone's been around, they know, 389 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 2: based on the flyers that get posted, what kind of 390 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 2: protest this is going to be. This is going to 391 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 2: be socialist communist organizations trying to grow their membership. It's 392 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 2: not a representative sample of the people of New York. 393 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 2: It is. It is people trying to sell magazines and 394 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 2: newspapers and books. And the fact that the entire proto 395 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 2: secret system for stuff like this is fully captured by 396 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 2: these sorts of organizations makes it really hard to grow 397 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 2: a genuine movement because people know that it's going to 398 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 2: be walking for thirty minutes and then people are going 399 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 2: to be shoving pamphlets in in their hand, and that's 400 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 2: the extent to what you are protesting. It is that 401 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 2: it's walking along a path led by the NYPD to 402 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 2: on this circle. 403 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm to this happening in almost every city in 404 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: the US, right, Like I saw a fly for one 405 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: in San Diego. Personally couldn't be asked to attend because, 406 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: as you say, like I knew what was going to happen, 407 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: and like the person in a high verse and a 408 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 1: clipboard was going to try and get my email address. 409 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 3: I will say that the thing, the thing that did 410 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 3: hearten me a little bit was that there were a 411 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 3: few protests, I mean just out in the Chicago suburbs, 412 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 3: which is not a place you normally have these that 413 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 3: weren't by these groups that were just pretty spontaneous on 414 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 3: the morning of the demonstration. But the sort of issue, yeah, 415 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 3: that you're fraying two Garrison is that like even these 416 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 3: spontaneous protests, the energy just gets captured by like the 417 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 3: PSL and these organizations that fundamentally don't want to do 418 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 3: anything other than grow their organization. And yeah, that was from. 419 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: In order to co opt the anger that's happening right now, 420 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: and I wanted to find out that anger and a 421 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: useless direction that burned people out on actimism. I wouldn't 422 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 1: change anything from the PSL. 423 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,239 Speaker 3: And I mean, and this is this has been what 424 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 3: the American anti war movement has looked like since the 425 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 3: Rock War demonstrations. Yeah, right, this was this was one 426 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 3: of the battles that happened inside of the Rock War 427 00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 3: protests and it's one of the reasons why they didn't work. 428 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 2: And like, this is a very serious thing, Like this 429 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 2: is a very serious military action that should warrant massive 430 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 2: public outcry. But protesting taps into a finite resource that 431 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 2: people have, and when you have an inclination that the 432 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 2: protests are going to go this way, people might not 433 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 2: want to expend their personal resource because it is not 434 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 2: seriously putting pressure on anyone making decisions in the government. 435 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a very serious thing that we shouldn't 436 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: under play for a second that like the United States 437 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: had done something which is completely illegal, right, which is 438 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: an act of war against a cerfin country. And like 439 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: me saying this doesn't mean I'm like amduro Stan. Anyone 440 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: who has listened to any portion of my work will 441 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: understand that. But it is incredibly serious to the US 442 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: and attempting to set a precedent that it could just 443 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: black bag heads of state. Whether or not the US 444 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: considers a legitimate right, their argument that the duor is 445 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: not legitimate, it doesn't matter. If they can just send 446 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: due to in helicopters to black people around the world, 447 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: then that is a very scary precedent. 448 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 2: All right, I am going to head out and re 449 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 2: turned to the CEES show floor. I will say for 450 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 2: the if you're doing a tariff talk segment. There has 451 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 2: been discussion of tariffs at CES that I have not 452 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 2: mentioned on the CES episodes so far two thumbs down 453 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 2: to two thumbs down on the tariffs from the Consumer 454 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 2: Electronics showcase. Now they're coming out with the bold stands 455 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 2: that they don't like the tarf. 456 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 3: Wow. 457 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: I think Ivanka Trump was giving a keynote of dress 458 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: at the last CES that I attended. 459 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,479 Speaker 3: Rock incredible, incredible. 460 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: Well related news. I've stopped attended. 461 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 2: Well, I have to keep attending now because the Secretary 462 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 2: to the US from Estonia was was googling me for 463 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 2: thirty minutes yesterday, so I might be getting a new passport. 464 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 3: Oh boy, speed, I. 465 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: F the AI prebanalyzing toilet for me, Garrison, I will 466 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: do so. 467 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 3: One of the questions that we had at the very 468 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 3: beginning of this operation was what is going to happen 469 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 3: to the US oil blockade on Venezuela, And the answer 470 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 3: is that it appears to still be in a fact, 471 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 3: the evidence of which is the US interdicting to oil tankers, 472 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 3: one of which they've been chasing for about a month 473 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 3: a few weeks, which is really funny if you know 474 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 3: how large an oil tanker is, that you've fit in 475 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 3: a boat chased with an oil tanker. 476 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 1: It's like, I guess it's just so big they can't 477 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: make it stop. 478 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess. 479 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 2: So. 480 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 3: Apparently the demonstration is claiming that the coast Guard had 481 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 3: attempted to board it, and they refuse to allow the 482 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 3: Coastguard to board. But the only thing I can think 483 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 3: of is, you know those those giant vehicles they use 484 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 3: to move rockets around at JPL or like like from JPL, 485 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 3: like on the launch site where they have They can 486 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 3: only move like five miles an hour, and they're the 487 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 3: size of a rocket because you have to have a 488 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 3: standing rocket on it. 489 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 2: That's what it's like. 490 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 3: They're chasing an empty oil tanker the Atlantic. That's also 491 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 3: worth noting that one of the very weird parts of 492 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 3: this is that I'm gonna quote quote from writers here. 493 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 3: Attorney General Pam Bondi said in a statement that the 494 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 3: ship's crew had made quote frantic efforts to avoid apprehension, 495 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 3: which again, I cannot emphasize this enough. This is an 496 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 3: oil tanker, Like, this is not a speed This is 497 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 3: like the largest, like one of one of the largest 498 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 3: and most unwieldly craft that humanity has ever produced in 499 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 3: its entire history, Like, how are you getting frantically the tanker? Yeah, 500 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 3: I don't know an oil taker evasive maneuvers And this 501 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 3: is this is also from the Raiders thing end quote 502 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 3: failed to obey coast Guard orders and so faces criminal charges, 503 00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 3: which sucks. But also I like, if you're getting evaded 504 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 3: by an oil tanker, that is a skill issue, Like 505 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 3: you can there are websites where you can track these things. 506 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 3: They have transponders, like when this thing was captured, ITAs 507 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 3: transponder was on. So this skill issue. I good lord. 508 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 3: On a more serious note, this is this is part 509 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 3: of that initial oil blockade of sanctioned Venezuela and oil 510 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 3: that began last year. The US government has been saying 511 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 3: that this ship and the other ship that the other 512 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 3: oil tanker that they've seized are basically ghost chips, which 513 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 3: we talked about another episode. I don't if you want 514 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 3: to explain again what that is, James, but. 515 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're often old ships that are either reflagged, or 516 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: the ships that have been retired and are returned, or 517 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: the ships have been scraped and someone has taken their 518 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: name and it's using it so that they pay elect 519 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: ships you know, coming back from the dead. But often 520 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: they will reflag or rename halfway through their trip, and 521 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: it's a bunch of boat law stuff to avoid sanctions, 522 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: is what they tend to be. 523 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so that's the US's justification for seizing two 524 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 3: more oil tankers, which again I also kind of emphasize 525 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 3: enough that this also is an active work. 526 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 527 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: I mean, were they flagged as Venezuelan. 528 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 3: No one of them was flaged as Russian, and I 529 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 3: haven't seen anything about what the other ship was flagged as. 530 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 3: China has protested the seizures of these boats, but there 531 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 3: hasn't really been anything other than diplomatic noise so far 532 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 3: from the Chinese government. Who if there was a government 533 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 3: on the world stage who was going to do a 534 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 3: serious protest about this, I think it would have been 535 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 3: either Russia or China, And we haven't really seen anything 536 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 3: more significant than the diplomats being annoyed. So we will 537 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 3: continue to see how this oil blockade plays out and 538 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 3: the effects that it has on people in Venezuela. I 539 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 3: wish I had a better adput for this, but I don't. 540 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 3: So here's ads. 541 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: Well, they liked oil tankers, may they just rumble along 542 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: and you can't stop. We've been unable to interdictment. 543 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 3: We are back from our failed ad intradiction. Do you 544 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 3: want to talk about Syria, James, Oh. 545 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is James Grim the rest of the world segment. 546 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: And because a lot of bad stuff is happening and 547 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: some of it's not going to punch into like your 548 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: mainstream US news media diet. So right now, pretty serious 549 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: fighting has broken out in a leper right. Syrian Transitional 550 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: government forces are shelling and attempting to enter the Kurdish 551 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: enclave shikmuk Sud. Shipmunk Sud is like an area in 552 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: where Curdish and other people right there with Christian people. 553 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: There is ZD people who live there have this enclave 554 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: has remained right despite the the regime taking over of 555 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: the Syrian traditional government taking over the rest of them read, 556 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: they didn't take over the areas. Area has remained under 557 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: the control of the aa n S the Autonomous Administration 558 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: of North and East Syria AKA or Java, but they 559 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,479 Speaker 1: have demilitarized it. And what that means is that there 560 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: are only internal security forces who are called sash in 561 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: Kurdish in this region, but piers that what happened was 562 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: that an SDF drone unit struck an STG vehicle with 563 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: a drone. STG Syrian Transitional Government, right, that's the Jiulani 564 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: al Shara government, and of course they have another acronym 565 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: just yeah yeah, the acronyms we over yeah, they're yeah 566 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: good always more so, they hit this std Veglan dat Hafa, 567 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: and then the STG seemed to respond by dropping grenades 568 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: into Ship Maksoud from drones, and then the SASH responded 569 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: with drones and conflict began. 570 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 2: Right. 571 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,479 Speaker 1: What's different from then There has been conflict on and 572 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: off in shipmak Sud for a long time, but in 573 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: the last year, right since HTS moved from Aleppo to 574 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: seize most of the country. HTS Tolio alf Sham a 575 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: group that was formerly on the Foreign Terrorist Organization that's 576 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: the United States, but no longer is what we have 577 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: seen here is not only shelling of the ship mac 578 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: Suden neighborhood and shalling in response or mortify and respond 579 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: for the SACH don't have heavy weapons, that's not their role. 580 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: The STG has also attempted to enter Ship Maxu to 581 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: seize it. 582 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 2: Right. 583 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: This has obviously prompted thousands of people to flee because 584 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: they are worried very reasonably about groups that were previously 585 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: known under the banner of the SNA or the Turkish 586 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: f SA, who have previously conducted ethnic cleansing of Kurdish 587 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: people in areas that they have managed to take control of. Right, 588 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: who have murdered civilians, who have executed women in Kurdish politics. 589 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: There's every reason for the civilian interfere that are happening again, 590 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: right because the Syrian Transitional Government has too often just 591 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: rebadged SNA units with a long and storied history of 592 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: war crimes and not done anything to stop them doing 593 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: it again. But also, some of these are not SNA units. 594 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: Some of these are Syrian Transitional Government units from other 595 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 1: parts of Syria. Nonetheless, like there's this attempt and incursion 596 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: into the neighborhood is remarkable, it's different. As I write this, 597 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: the SDG appeared to be staging to enter the neighborhood again. 598 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: Very amusingly, they took a video showing this, which also 599 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: revealed the position of all their armor on telegram. 600 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 3: Classic classic serience of a war stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 601 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 3: everyone loves to be revealing their position on telegram. 602 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe when I when I reopened telegram, those 603 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: guys would have been wiped out by a bunch of 604 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: your owns. 605 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 3: Who knows. 606 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: But yet it continues to be a flashpoint. And this 607 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: is the most serious flare up we've seen in a 608 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: long time. Right, there was supposed to be an agreement 609 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,240 Speaker 1: for the integration of the SDF into Syrian Transitional Government 610 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: Ministry of Defense. That has failed. They haven't come to 611 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: an agreement. Various sources are reporting various things about what 612 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: they wanted or specifically what the SDF wanted for YPG. 613 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: Who are the Women's Defense Forces and there are that 614 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: is a definite red line for them. They won't disband that. 615 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: The other women won't put down their death right and 616 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: for very reasonable reasons. We don't know exactly if the 617 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: starting transitional government refuse to accept them in any way. 618 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: They have said they wouldn't do that, They have said 619 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: they would accept them, but we don't really have like 620 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: a very clear picture of the last round of negotiations. 621 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:38,280 Speaker 1: Talking of Kurdish armed groups, let's go from Jaba to Roja, 622 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: that right across Kurdistan from west to east. Just looking 623 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: at the little compass in my head. In Iran, protests 624 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: have grown around the country. These protests began largely because 625 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: of the decreased purchasing power of people's money. 626 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 2: There. 627 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: Of course, the protests have further reduced that and people 628 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:03,240 Speaker 1: are really feeling that nomic bite right now. This time. 629 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: What is different is that armed groups have come out 630 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: in support. I saw Lead, the name translates as People's 631 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: Revolutionary in Front had assassinated a car breather. It's like 632 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: a drive by Pak so Pak, one of the smaller 633 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: Kurdish paramilitary groups. I made an episode I think it 634 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,720 Speaker 1: was called what does Bombing Mean for Freedom in Iran 635 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 1: last year with Gordain and I will try and get 636 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: back with Gordy soon to talk more about this. But 637 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: if you're wondering who are all these groups? What are 638 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: all these acronyms, that's the episode you need to go to. 639 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: So Pak, Peshmoker have been killed, right, which is a 640 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: significant change. There have been armed elements in these protests 641 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: and there has been a unity statement both from the 642 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: different Kurdish armed groups. I think it was Piak Pak 643 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: and Kamala who made this statement, right, and then also 644 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:03,720 Speaker 1: from coalition of Kurdish means organizations. It's organization from across 645 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: that political spectrum, but in that part of the world, 646 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: coming together to denounce the actions of the regime, which include, 647 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: for instance, in Alarm Province riot police storming a hospital. 648 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 1: I don't know people will have seen that video, but 649 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: it was extremely surving. 650 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 3: Has there been any movement from the blushy independence groups, Yeah, 651 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 3: sure there has, Yeah, but I know, I'm pretty sure 652 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 3: it was a VOLUSI group. I remember in the twenty 653 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 3: nineteen protests, the most military goal was I think a 654 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 3: blueshy group like fired at RPG at a police track point, 655 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 3: but it never really sort of spread beyond that. 656 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. There are different Yeah, there are 657 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: a number of like volutions groups. I'm not aware of 658 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: their involvement. There have definitely been like police repression there 659 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: like there was everywhere else. Right, Yeah, absolutely, I will 660 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: try and probably cabin it in a whole episode next week. 661 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 2: There. 662 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of time to prepare on that 663 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,720 Speaker 1: with all the craziness. I did see that this morning, 664 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,760 Speaker 1: So we're on the seventh again. The armed forces attack 665 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: protesters in the Grand Bazaar and Tehran, which if you're 666 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,240 Speaker 1: not aware has a tremendous significance right from their seventy 667 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: nine revolution there, and Trump has thrown twentyvene as he 668 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: always does. 669 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, exactly perfectly what the regime wants. There's a 670 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 3: lesson to portray themselves as defenders of Iranian sovereignty, et cetera, 671 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,399 Speaker 3: et cetera. Acainst American imperialism. 672 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, America grade satan. Moving on, let's talk about Israel. 673 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: Israel has threatened to withhold I believe it has now 674 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: withheld registration to operate in Gaza from MSFIER OXPAN and 675 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: a number of other aid organizations. MSF, I'm just going 676 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: to quote from them called it a cynical and calculated 677 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: attempt to prevent organizations from providing services in Gaza in 678 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: the West Bank, which is a breach of Israel's obligations 679 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: under international humanitarian law. It's just them trying to further 680 00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: starve people to death. Right, there's no other Reasonably's has 681 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: made the claim that these groups have been infiltrated by militants. 682 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: That is a barkable conjecture, Like it's a bad joke, 683 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,799 Speaker 1: Like I've worked with MSF and OXFAM all over the world. Right, 684 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: there were a lot of criticisms of them. I would 685 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: make one of them is not that they have been 686 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,399 Speaker 1: infiltrated by shocking on us like you're having a laugh. 687 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: I want to do a hard episode on this. 688 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 2: But like. 689 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 1: When Brian talks about two plus two weekals five in 690 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, this is where that gets us, right, 691 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: when you can just say something that is blatantly false 692 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 1: and force people to agree that it is true. That 693 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 1: is the project of genocide because it first has to 694 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: destroy the truth to justify what it is doing. And 695 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 1: we are seeing that happening. And a very brief migration update. Finally, 696 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 1: in the case before George Bosberg regarding the Alien Enemies 697 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 1: Act that we've brought about before, the Trump administration asked 698 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: for a delay because of the changing situation in Venz Whaler, right, 699 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 1: I don't think there wasnt for delay so they can 700 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 1: be like, oh, it's not safe for people to go back, 701 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,280 Speaker 1: we'd better keep hold of them and treat them nicely. 702 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: It is nice suspicion that any agreement they come to 703 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: with the Rodrigez the regime will include that it must 704 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 1: accept people back. And as I said in the other episode, right, 705 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: these people are going back to a country which is 706 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 1: deeply paranoid about American spies, and they have lived in America. 707 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 1: This is not going to be good for them. And 708 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 1: the City of San Diego has sued the Trump in 709 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: administration for damage to city property on Marin Valley Road 710 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,919 Speaker 1: or as father complaint today to do so. I'm glad 711 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,399 Speaker 1: of doing it. It's also deeply hypocritical. Right Mayor Tod 712 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: Glauria was out there asking for more border security finding Underbiden, 713 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,400 Speaker 1: the defunded the office in the city which would welcome 714 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: refugees and migrants, like, is it just a publicity thing? 715 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 3: Probably? 716 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: These people don't care. Right when migrants were being held 717 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: in the open air in San Diego County, in San 718 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: Diego City, these people weren't there and still glad's happening. 719 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: But don't for one second believe the people get a 720 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: single shit about but migrates they don't and don't for 721 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: one second. Thing they're voting for them is voting to 722 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 1: be kind to migrants, because it's not told. Laurier is 723 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: a liar and just like everything else, he is using 724 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,720 Speaker 1: this an opportunity to promote himself and he's a terrible person. 725 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, in this case they are suming for trespassing 726 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 1: and placing the razor wire on city property. It's city property. 727 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,839 Speaker 1: This way outside of where you would think the city 728 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,839 Speaker 1: of San Diego is. It's just adjacent to o turn 729 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: Out and wilderness. But I think they have it there 730 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,760 Speaker 1: for water rights reasons or something. 731 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,840 Speaker 3: Brief teriff update, not tariff news. This week, however, Comma 732 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court is expected to roll on the giant 733 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 3: case over a wide swath of Trump's tariffs this Friday. 734 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,719 Speaker 3: So next week we will explain what happened there on 735 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,320 Speaker 3: the Fallout. As you're listening to this episode, that decision 736 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 3: might have already been released. 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