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Speaker 2: My cousin said, my necklace is unholy, but I refuse

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Speaker 2: to remove it. Don't remove it, keep it on. By

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Speaker 2: the way, trigger warning, this does have the mention of

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Speaker 2: the word grape. May seventeenth, twenty twenty five. But there

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Speaker 2: is an argument ensuing in my family right now regarding

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Speaker 2: my necklace. I find it to be a pointless argument,

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Speaker 2: but with the way some of my relatives have been acting,

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Speaker 2: I've been curious if I am the a.

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Speaker 1: Hole about it. Let's see, I'm also very curious what

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Speaker 1: this necklace is? Ooh true, Sam's a fan of necklaces.

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Speaker 1: I am. I am.

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Speaker 2: to the r slash Okay Storytime subreddit. So for a

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Speaker 2: little bit of context, I am a hellenist pagan Riley.

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Speaker 1: Could we get some info on what is that? What

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Speaker 1: that is? This you got it the Internet info the

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Speaker 1: Hellenist pagan look that up for those who don't know

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Speaker 1: what it is. Oh okay, I guess we're getting this

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Speaker 1: in short terms. You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: I worshiped the Greek pantheon while following pagan practices. This

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Speaker 2: is where my necklace comes into play. Wait, so you're

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Speaker 2: praying to Zeus beside him?

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Speaker 1: I think so, Riley, if you can add some context

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Speaker 1: on that, Yeah, I freaking go. I was a fan

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Speaker 1: of Percy Jackson too, So, I mean, the Greek gods

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Speaker 1: are like, it's lit. You know, it's a cool storyline.

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Speaker 1: It's the Avengers. It's dude, it's sick, it's I you

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Speaker 1: know what, I'm not gonna yuck anyone's yum. I would,

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Speaker 1: I mean I would kind of be down. Plus Pagan,

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Speaker 1: that's like we just get freaking crazy, right. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you go, you go around a bonfire yelling stuff. Yeah

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Speaker 1: that's a cult. No, No, it's pagan rituals. It's lit.

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Speaker 2: I wear a necklace with in an obsidian stone wrapped

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Speaker 2: in a wire. The wire is mended around the stone

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Speaker 2: to look like a pentacle, a pagan symbol that represents

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Speaker 2: the five elements. But it's often confused for a pentagram,

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Speaker 2: which that I believe is the evil the star Riley.

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Speaker 2: You would know that, right, It's like the star of evil,

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Speaker 2: the summon.

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Speaker 1: It's something like.

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Speaker 3: I think of like six points is like a devil's symbol,

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Speaker 1: Yea.

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Speaker 2: Now I wear this necklace all day, every day. The

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Speaker 2: times I don't are when I'm sleeping or showering. But

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Speaker 2: now onto the dilemma. The other day, my uncle hosted

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Speaker 2: and me. Was Satan also invited. That is the question,

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Speaker 2: where's his invite? Where's Poseidon's invite? Poseidon's invite? Where's Percy Jackson's.

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Speaker 1: The whole dude? The the hell cookout? Dude, that's yeah,

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Speaker 1: Hades cookout. Actually, if we're going Olympians hot wings from

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Speaker 2: Everything was going well and I was talking with some

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Speaker 2: of my cousins when a cousin I'm going to refer

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Speaker 2: to as Heather noticed my necklace. Heather made a comment

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Speaker 2: about my necklace, saying it was bold to wear such

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Speaker 2: an unholy symbol. Knowing most of the family follows the Bible.

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Speaker 2: I shrugged this off.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't the first time someone had made comments like

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Speaker 2: In the past. I told her it was fine and

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Speaker 1: All right, and here's op coming in. It's not a pentagram,

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Speaker 1: It's a whatever, the pentacle a pentacle pentacle? Yeah, dude,

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Speaker 2: I told her I didn't think so, since my necklace

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Speaker 2: It wasn't that big of an issue. Heather argued that

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Speaker 1: I'm curious, is is op an actual lever in Poseidon?

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Speaker 1: so a hell of is page? Paganism?

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Speaker 3: Is you worship the eight Asian sorry ancient Greek gods

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Speaker 3: like Zeus, Hera, Apollo, often through rituals, offerings of festivals.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious how many people are still following this? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: following this because I mean it was, It was big

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Speaker 1: in Roman and Greek times, right, But let's see from

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Speaker 1: what I can gather, I think op actually like does

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Speaker 1: kind of vibe. Could we also get what a pentacle

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Speaker 3: A pentcacle is your necklace symbol. It isn't a pentagram,

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Speaker 1: It is also can we get a picture though, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'd love to see it. Yeah, because I guess it

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Speaker 1: tough one. Yeah, tough on. That's a tough one. Did

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Speaker 1: a pentagram and a pentacle necklace look very similar? A

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Speaker 1: pentagram is an upside down it's upside down.

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Speaker 3: Well, it looks like the pinnacle has like a circle

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Speaker 1: Look at a pentagram necklace like satan. But let's get

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Speaker 1: sop causes. The rest of the afternoon was kind of soured,

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Speaker 2: I thought that was the end of it. That was

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Speaker 2: saying I could have just removed the stupid necklace. I

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Speaker 2: It's not like your gods are real, It's just a

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Speaker 1: Oh, Auntie Heather's mom, what are you doing? I don't

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Speaker 1: think you can ever say someone's gods aren't real. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: god fight my gud. Yes, that would be epic.

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Speaker 2: This one hurt a lot because I have always been

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Speaker 2: don't align with mine. So seeing someone disregard something so

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Speaker 2: but I could have taken the necklace.

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Speaker 1: Off instead of arguing with her. It's been a day

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Speaker 2: And this got me thinking I could have just taken

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Speaker 2: So reddit am I the a hole for refusing to

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Speaker 2: they were so bothered is because I was raised in

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Speaker 2: They saw it as me turning my back on God,

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Speaker 2: especially since I was atheist for a few years before

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Speaker 1: And yes, I know.

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Speaker 2: Paganism technically isn't a religion, but on top of being

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Speaker 2: to pagan because that's where the symbol I was wearing

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Speaker 1: While the fact that.

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Speaker 2: I'm a pagan does annoy them, it's my Hellenism that

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Speaker 2: do terrible things. So to answer the question, was Opie

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Speaker 1: I think, first off, I think a good way to

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Speaker 1: more mainstream religion. Opie was wearing a Jewish necklace and

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Speaker 1: and they were offended, like, oh, take that necklace off,

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Speaker 2: decking people in the face, and now I'm the a hole.

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Speaker 1: You know that's a that's an a whole move. But

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Speaker 1: if you believe that, yeah, as a punch and punch

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Speaker 1: in the facialists, yes that one day all those who

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Speaker 1: transgressed you will be punched in the face and you

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Speaker 1: just wear a fist and you know that's just what

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Speaker 1: you believe, but you're still punching anyone in the face. Hey,

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Speaker 1: that's we're chilling. We're fine, We're fine, We're chilling.

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Speaker 2: The one thing I will I guess, I guess critique

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Speaker 2: you could say that I would give to Op is

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Speaker 2: like when Heather initially asked, he just kind of like

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Speaker 2: like this is what I believe. I know, it's like similar.

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Speaker 2: I get the confusion because if it was, like, you know,

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Speaker 2: there's some other symbols out there that if they look

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Speaker 2: like a swastika or something, or like swastika is a

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Speaker 2: Hindu symbol for example.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you could be wearing a Hindu symbol eyes neck

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Speaker 1: and it'd be miss uh. It would be like, oh, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: why are you wearing a swatska? No, it's like a

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Speaker 1: Hindu simply misconstrued. It's so confused.

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Speaker 3: When we went to Bali for the first time, yeah,

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Speaker 3: because they were everywhere and I was like what Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I feel like OPI could have if he had

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Speaker 2: just explained it to Heather and then also the people

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So in conclusion, OP, not the a hole. I agree. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I posted here a few days ago regarding the family

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Speaker 2: I finally worked up the courage to actually call my cousin,

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Speaker 2: When I asked her to clarify what she meant by that,

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Speaker 1: It's like, okay, now you're like.

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Speaker 2: You understand, you understand, and you're bashing the religion because

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Speaker 1: Ye, it's like this is just Opie's personal belief.

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Speaker 1: He's freaking hog and all the archery music and the sun.

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Speaker 2: To say I was surprised was an understatement. I was

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Speaker 1: The Greek gods do be philandering. I didn't realize how

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Speaker 2: Lot of brotherly and sisterly love, if you catch our drift. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 2: we got over twenty one hundred episodes on the pod. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I do think that Heather's right, Zeus was not a feminist.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if if we're getting into this theological debate, yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: I guess that is a question.

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Speaker 2: We're we're we got into a deep theology today. Forget

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like I think you can

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Speaker 1: making nasty. But I'm glad he's changed. If that's what's happened.

431
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 2: There, you go, Uh, maybe this is the distinction here

432
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 2: to like, like the actual thing to do with Heather

433
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,400
Speaker 2: is like, hey, you can have an opinion on the religion,

434
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 2: but I feel like Heather brings it into a personal

435
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 2: attack or like stopping op from like wearing their necklace

436
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 2: that brings them comfort. Like yeah, she's it's a great

437
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:25,200
Speaker 2: area obviously, but like.

438
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 1: Also, just as a rule, you're never gonna win by

439
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 1: criticizing someone's religion, Like the best way to get someone

440
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:38,199
Speaker 1: to follow your belief system is to like live it

441
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,199
Speaker 1: so well that they're like, well, dang, why is your

442
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 1: life so good? And like, well, it's because of Zeus.

443
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 1: Like like then then maybe you can or it's because

444
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 1: of Jesus or like whatever whatever your belief system might be.

445
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 1: And I think Heather is going around it the wrong way.

446
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,200
Speaker 2: Are you telling me that it's not a good idea

447
00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 2: to convert to pester your other failing members the family barbecue?

448
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 1: Is that what you're telling me? That's how Jesus. Uh,

449
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: that's how Jesus did it. He wasn't like, oh, like,

450
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 1: let me live the life. He was like, please, please,

451
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 1: please leave me? Please? No, that is not how he

452
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: did it. Now, Bro, Jesus pulled to the cookout. He's like, yo,

453
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: I got I got wine. What are we doing Jesus

454
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 1: throwing a cookout? He's a gentleman? All right? Are you

455
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: ready for this grand finale? Here?

456
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 2: She just got annoyed with me, saying that it didn't

457
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 2: make what people believe the Greek gods did, right. I

458
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 2: just said I understood her view on things, but I

459
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 2: asked her to not disrespect my gods, even if they

460
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 2: have done some bad things in the myths and portraits,

461
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: especially since her god is no saint either. That clearly

462
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 2: upset her. Yeah, here we go, and she hung up

463
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 2: on me, not before telling me my gods were worse.

464
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 2: That hurt a lot more than anything else. She said before, Well,

465
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Speaker 2: I understand how someone who's only heard the bad about

466
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 2: the gods could find it, vexing that they could have devotees.

467
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Speaker 1: I will admit.

468
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Speaker 2: After the call with my cousins, I went to the

469
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 2: altar and left some food offerings as an apology before

470
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 2: going to bed, although I didn't sleep much due to what.

471
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: My cousin said. Wait, went to the altar? Like went

472
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: to the altar? Get uh the Helenists? Well yeah, but

473
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: where where are there just Helenis altars around? Pull up?

474
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,719
Speaker 1: No way, there's a Hellenis altar where I put them

475
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: in their house? Okay, yeah, I can imagine that. But

476
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: if there's like a public Hellenist altar where I can

477
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: like smoke an ox or something.

478
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 2: Like Riley, please find the nearest pagan slash Helenist alter

479
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: to where we can go to right now?

480
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: That would be sick.

481
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Speaker 2: This is a bit of a weird update and it

482
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 2: wasn't what I was expecting. But now I know she

483
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 2: doesn't care what I choose to worship. But who Thank

484
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 2: you for all who chose to support me on my

485
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 2: last post. Hopeless shed some light on the situation, and

486
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 2: that is that for that story. But we have another

487
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Speaker 2: one coming up. John here og host, We're gonna get

488
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Speaker 2: back to these stories, but a quick three minute break

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490
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Speaker 1: Refuse to give money for my sister's wedding. It made

491
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Speaker 1: the family, the Ayes, become a billionaire. Growing up, my

492
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 1: sister and us were extremely close, but over the years

493
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: as we got older, we noticed how badly she would

494
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: treat our mom, who is a single mom, and how

495
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: she would often side with mom's family and discussions usually

496
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: revolving around mom decision to raise us alone. Note my

497
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: brother and my dad passed away when my mom was

498
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Speaker 1: seven and a half months pregnant. Sad by the way,

499
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Speaker 1: this comes from five Hattie. If you want to submit

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Speaker 1: your own stories, you're the r slash okay storytime story

501
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: about it. So it all hit a breaking point when

502
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: we turned eighteen. My sister and our birthdays are in

503
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: the same week, so there was always talk about a

504
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: joint eighteen and twenty first party for us. We never

505
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: had any issue with this at first, we were all

506
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: for the idea, but when the party started getting planned,

507
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: our mom was left out of all of it and

508
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 1: our all let's caller Jane stepped in and took over

509
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: it all. We had no idea at the time right,

510
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: So I guess Mom was being left out and what

511
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: could be a lovely moment of a mother celebrating in

512
00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: eighteenth and twenty first birthday for her daughters. Yes, we

513
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,719
Speaker 1: were barely seventeen at the stage that they had already

514
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: started planning. It only found out when our sister, let's

515
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: call her Grace called us, which was rare to get

516
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: a message from her, asking us if they could be

517
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: reimbursed for the money they'd spend on the party. We

518
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 1: had a trust account set up from when our dad's

519
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: life insurance was paid out to us, and we agreed

520
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: to it. All right, but I'm hoping it's not some

521
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 1: you know, they're not going to any ice sculptures up

522
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 1: in here, oh where it's like super expensive? Are they

523
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 1: trying to go all out and they're going to drain

524
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: drain the life insurance? Right? So I asked Mom if

525
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: she knew about the party, and she said no. A

526
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: month before the party, we got down to the main point,

527
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: the guest list. The room, which my brother and I

528
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: paid for could hold one hundred and twenty people. Are

529
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: you we're expecting to have roughly even split of the

530
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: guest list, thirty five each for us, fifty for her,

531
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Speaker 1: But when we saw the list, it was ninety percent

532
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: her friends and family that we don't speak to, only

533
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 1: giving us fifteen bases roughly two tables to use. So

534
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: the actual people celebrate the birthday only have like ten

535
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: percent of the guest list. Ridiculous. We were pissed, but

536
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: she screamed at us, calling us insensitive and grateful for

537
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: everything she has done for us growing up. This is

538
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: the aunt, dude. No, she'd done nothing for us. We

539
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: just loved her, so we relented and took what we could.

540
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: Knew it would be a losing battle. But you're also

541
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: paying for this. I don't know. I don't know if

542
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: that makes sense. You like, get out of here? Auntie

543
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: slam the door, Yeah, slammed the door. A week before

544
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: the party at our grandma's house. Our family nanstep granddad, aunt, uncle, sister.

545
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: That's listing the family members right, and her boyfriend got

546
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: a bit wasted and started on about how bad our

547
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: mom was and how she done so many things wrong.

548
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: Uh oh, But what pissed us off the most was

549
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 1: when our nan said, I bet you at your party

550
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: you will be holding her head up high, claiming glory

551
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: for the parenting we've done, not her. That one comment

552
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: was enough to make my brother and I leave quite angry. Again.

553
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 1: This is the nan saying like, oh, we did all

554
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: the parenting, your mom did nothing.

555
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 2: Dude, And Nana is like grandma grandma dude. That is insane,

556
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: especially considering how her husband tragically passed away while she

557
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 2: was still pregnant. Like, yeah, insane, little sack a doodle

558
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: do insane.

559
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: The night of the party wasn't too bad. The family

560
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: kept their mouth shuts and we actually had a decent

561
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: time until the slide show started. Oh here we go.

562
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: Of about three hundred photos huh three hundred, John, I's

563
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: too many, which was fifteen minutes long. There were ten

564
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 1: photos of my brother and I ted. Wow, I'm just imagining,

565
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: like like two hundred and ninety selfies. Love the adt Yeah,

566
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. At least she put you in there.

567
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Oh, you should be great, you should be grateful. Yeah. Yeah.

568
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,959
Speaker 1: And then at the end, and these are the other

569
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: two people, but the rest were of our sister, our

570
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: youngest cousin, Auntie's kid, and her boyfriend's family. Many at

571
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: this party had no idea it was our birthdays as well,

572
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 1: until the cake was cut. They came up to us

573
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: afterwards and said happy birthday. My brother and I eventually

574
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: stuck away with her mom and went to the pub

575
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: to have our own birthday toast with just us and

576
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: our mates. I'm waiting for the bill to drop, dude. Honestly, Sue, Sue,

577
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: you're on ridiculous for the birthday money. Not long after,

578
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: my brother and I went to UNI and our contact

579
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: with the family was limited to a few messages a month.

580
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: We tried to keep in contact, but they wanted nothing

581
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,479
Speaker 1: to do with us. When the time came for our

582
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: twenty first birthday, our sister and family were back in

583
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: contact with us, partially because our trust account was being

584
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: released when we were twenty one, under the guise of

585
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: planning a big party for us. They're just trying to

586
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: get little peace, dude. We told them we didn't want one,

587
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: just wanted a quiet night with mom and our close mates,

588
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: but they wouldn't hear it. We ended up missing. The

589
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: big party they planned for us was on a weeknight

590
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: and we were still at UNI in another state, so

591
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: we copped a lot of heat from the family about that.

592
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: But after a week. It went from your ungrateful see

593
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: you next tuesdays to hey, what are you both coming

594
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: back down? Should go out for dinner? So we made

595
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: the plans and came back. Dinner went as we expected

596
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: it to, as it always does, a good hour of

597
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: them bashing mom and her parenting and taking credit for

598
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: the fact that we were in Uni. My brother is

599
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: studying law and I'm in medicine and sports. Let's freaking go.

600
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: I'm just this.

601
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 2: This family is giving a migraine, and I'm like, why

602
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: do we keep coming back?

603
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, at least maybe setting a boundary of like, listen,

604
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: we would love to have, you know, a fun, extended

605
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: family time. That's always great. Yeah, but you cannot stop

606
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: bashing mom. Stop bashing mom, but stealing. I remember earlier

607
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: they mentioned a trust. Yes, I believe from the dad's

608
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: life insurance policy.

609
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 3: Okay, because maybe they're bashing mom to see that she's

610
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 3: an unfit parent and maybe get their hands on the trust.

611
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: But in some way, they're over twenty one, so I

612
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: think it falls straight to them. I think they're just

613
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: trying to grease This is what I think is happening.

614
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: They are saying, hey, hey, hey, you know your mom

615
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: did nothing. We really did everything for you. I see

616
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: that's this trust that you have. I trust that you

617
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: would give us all that money because of all the

618
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 1: things we did for you. Yeah, it really really belongs

619
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: to us. We do as in stealing your birthday money.

620
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: I don't think you should have contact with these people.

621
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: It's so transparent what they're trying to do here. Yeah,

622
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: and how it was because of their influence. We've come

623
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: this far, which is complete b us. But the night

624
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: really hit a good note when Grace said, Hey, so

625
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: the trust account comes out soon? Right? We knew this

626
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: is coming. Yeah, just wanted to know if I could

627
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: have some because Shane and I are looking at moving

628
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: out from his parents' house and need about thirty thousand

629
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: dollars for a deposit. Stop it.

630
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: I actually need to sue you for three one hundred

631
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: thousand dollars because you stole my eighteenth birthday and the

632
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: emotional distress, the emotional damage. That is emotional damage, ladies

633
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: and gentlemen.

634
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: That is payoff. Just said we'll get back to you

635
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: and left for the next week. We got a phone call,

636
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: and another phone call, and another phone call asking us

637
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: if she could have the money. Ultimately, please don't tell

638
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: me you gave them money. No, please, no. After chatting

639
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: to our mom, who told us we didn't have to

640
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: give her anything. She had her own account and went

641
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: through it quickly, we called Grace and told her that

642
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: we are not going to just give her the thirty

643
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, but we would lend her it.

644
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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, we want it's gone.

645
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Speaker 1: It's gone. It's gone, it's gone. They're gonna put it

646
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: all on black dude. Oh my god. Yeah, they will

647
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,479
Speaker 1: make that thing dis appear, make her sign something and

648
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: receive payments, and to cover us legally if she could

649
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: not pay us. Okay, well that's a step most bad.

650
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,959
Speaker 1: I still hate this. Yeah, I don't like this. They

651
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: take a step that most people don't even think about. Yeah.

652
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: I mean, at the very least, there's signings of paperwork.

653
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: But I'm of the opinion don't lend money to friends

654
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: or family that you're not prepared to lose. Yeah, here's

655
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: how I look at it. It's like, oh, they didn't

656
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: break their whole leg, they just broke their foot. Let's

657
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: just not break any bones. Yeah exactly. Let's let's let's

658
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: stay away from breaking any time, you know, like protect

659
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: yourself a bit. She was furious, called us ungrateful, see

660
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: you next Tuesdays and hung up. Hopefully it didn't accept.

661
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: We didn't speak to her for three years. Last year

662
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: we got a phone call from our telling us she

663
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: was getting married to her deadbeat boyfriend. He's unemployed thirty

664
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: and it hasn't had a job that lasted more than

665
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: one because he hates doing things. What a winner. And

666
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: she wanted fifty thousand dollars for us to pay for

667
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: the wedding and the honeymoon. Where do you get off?

668
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: I know, like, how are you? Like?

669
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: What could you guys imagine asking someone for thirty or

670
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars?

671
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: Thousand dollars is crazy unless the trust has like a

672
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: billion dollars in it, even a billion dollars. Yeah, Like really,

673
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: if someone has a billion dollars, you'd be like I would.

674
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: I would be comfortable being like, hey, uh, invest in

675
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: this thing I'm doing because like, oh, I believe in this,

676
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: and like, Okay, it's not that much money for you

677
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: that I think I would feel good, but like invest

678
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: in our wedding, in this beautiful union, this partnership, This

679
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: legal partnership, a legal document that we're creating is going

680
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: to be beautiful. Well one of the projected margins. Yeah,

681
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: exactly thirty percent. Dude, just livestream the wedding. Chat boom,

682
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: we got that. You know what to do, We'll locked it,

683
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: blow it up. We were taken back by it. We

684
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: said that we would meet her to go over things

685
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: in a possible payment plan. Not just going to give

686
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: her fifty thousand dollars when she hasn't spoken to us

687
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: in years. Go to a bank. Just just give them

688
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: the number of a bank. She yelled us over the

689
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: phone and hung up on us. A few weeks later,

690
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: we had a visitor at our mom's place. We were

691
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: home for a few weeks. Unie was on break. It

692
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: was the lady in charge of the flowers for the wedding.

693
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: Oh no, she said, our sister had given her this

694
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: address to discuss payment with us. We had no idea

695
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: about this and told the lady that we had no

696
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: idea what she meant, we never agreed to this, and

697
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: that we were very sorry she wasted her time. She

698
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: apologized to us and left. An hour later, we got

699
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: a phone call from Grace calling us yet again, ungrateful

700
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: to see you next Tuesday. It's just a large vocabulary

701
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: and how we are ruining her wedding by being so selfish,

702
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: So we hung up on her. In the last couple

703
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: of months, we've had several businesses call us wanting to

704
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: discuss payment for things and services they have given to Grace.

705
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: One was a wedding planner who wanted six thousand dollars.

706
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 1: We told them they should take it up with Grace,

707
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 1: not us. Recently, our family from overseas, our dad's family,

708
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 1: have been in contact with us, telling us how disappointed

709
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: they are and how we are upsetting our sister. To

710
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: get some information before you start casting stones. Yeah, how

711
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: can we possibly say?

712
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: It's either it's either your insane or you don't have

713
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: enough information.

714
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the only two things. Ridiculous. Ridiculous. We

715
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: haven't said anything to them about Grace and the wedding

716
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: and her wanting us to pay for it all. So

717
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: we were taking aback by this. Told them what had

718
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: been going on, and they apologize to us promptly. Okay.

719
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: The next day we get a call from Grace. Here

720
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: we go, I wonder what vocabulary words we might get

721
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: it from Grace now, who was fuming more so than

722
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: usual about how we poisoned the family against her by

723
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: the state. I was fed up with her being so selfish,

724
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: so I yelled back, they aren't even your family, they

725
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: are ours. It was our dad, not yours. We have

726
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: different dads. Hers the old one tude. Their mom threw

727
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: a cupboard when she was pregnant with Grace. Oh my, yes,

728
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: After I said that I knew I went too far,

729
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: she started screaming, crying and hug up. Mark, my twin

730
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: just hugged me and said, f er By the way,

731
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: you should always give us a hug. Yes, by listening

732
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: to full episodes the stories just like this, Go to Spotify,

733
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: Apple Podcast, or your favorite podcast app and search. Okay, storytime,

734
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: there's another relevant update John, But let's discuss what do

735
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: you think about this whole situation. Do you think Opie

736
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: is handling it? Well?

737
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: I mean, so, first off, this family is just so

738
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: clearly insane. Yeah, and just like a clear cutcase of

739
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 2: like just don't don't interact, don't don't don't respond, don't

740
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: even engage. I think you know, look, OPI is trying

741
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 2: to be kind and like they either like, we'll do

742
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,479
Speaker 2: the loan and everything, but it's too kind.

743
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: It's too kind. We are lighting ourselves on fire to

744
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: keep others warm with these people, so I don't have

745
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: to think about it. I cannot claim credit for that. Okay,

746
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: here we go. That is a John Fry original, not

747
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: at all shout out to my sister.

748
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 2: I think OP is so within the right to be like, hey,

749
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: I'm not engaging with you all you. I call you,

750
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: you call me is see you next Tuesday, and then

751
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: hang up and ask for more money in a year,

752
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: like like that's literally our whole ritual.

753
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: I'm blocking you. I'm done with this and that's up. Yeah, dude,

754
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: I don't think you need to keep showing out for

755
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: this relationship. I totally agree.

756
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 3: And if you want to ask for money, this is

757
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 3: how you do it. Guys, would you like to invest

758
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 3: in what a lot of rich people invest in in

759
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 3: a timeshare of an underground bunker where you can and

760
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 3: pick two weeks out of the whole year and being

761
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 3: this on the ground bunker in case something bad happens.

762
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: But you're you're you're shut out of luck if you

763
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: don't get the right two weeks but.

764
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 3: Think it's a gamble because you have to pick the

765
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 3: right two weeks.

766
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 2: What rumble documentary sponsor? Did this come from? Guys like

767
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: to talk to you real quick about bunkers are okay?

768
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 2: You can go online book any two weeks you want,

769
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: and if the apocalypse happens to fall that time, bam

770
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: bam boom, you're ready.

771
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: You will survive. I'm ready to invest. I just need

772
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: two million dollars. God he's back in a year. It's

773
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: been three weeks since that phone call. We've had the

774
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 1: majority of Mom's family get in touch with us, mainly

775
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: to yell at us, calling us every name under the sun.

776
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: Grace's fiance has told us if he sees us, you

777
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: will get us. He has ties with a bike gang

778
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: here and was a substance dealer for a bit. So

779
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: we are a little misch shaken by that. We've spoken

780
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: to the police, but since it was all over the

781
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 1: phone with no physical proof, there's nothing that can be done.

782
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: What should we do with the situation that hasn't been

783
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: done already? Should we just back down and give it

784
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: some peace? Which should we stick to our pupews and

785
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: risks possibly get hurt in the process, and there is

786
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: a slight update. But what do you think, John, Just

787
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: just go no contact. I don't care. I don't care

788
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: if you stick to your guns, your message, I don't care.

789
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: Just block them for the love of God. Yeah, Like

790
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: at this point, it's getting frustrated and it's like you

791
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 1: were only hurting yourself here, Like what are we doing? Yeah? Agreed,

792
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: And here's the update. So thank you to everyone who

793
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: commented on the post. We're not expecting so many comments

794
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 1: based off the suggestions. We're changing our numbers and keeping

795
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: the old ones in case they call us and leave

796
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: a voicemail which we can use if things go south.

797
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: And we're going to look into our security in the

798
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: bank and a fixed terms deposit to protect the bulk

799
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: of our money. And that is finally the action that

800
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: we needed. Thank god. Finally they're making some good move.

801
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: Get a bunker for your money. Yeah, that's where that

802
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 1: story ends. And I think that's where this episode ends. Nope,

803
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: don't we all are more?

804
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: I think this is not where this episode ends. Hey

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831
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834
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Speaker 1: So he's basically a saint with her, but every dog

838
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842
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,399
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843
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: I've tried to talk to them about this behavior a

844
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: bunch of times, and they know it's wrong, but they

845
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,480
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846
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,000
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847
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Speaker 1: They don't understand that it's dangerous and that if she

848
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Speaker 1: was left alone long enough with my dog. My doggie

849
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,600
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850
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Speaker 1: for over a year. I've tried to have the conversation

851
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852
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Speaker 1: I don't think my niece is especially braddy, You're out

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Speaker 1: that this behavior is dangerous to both her and my

856
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: dog and it needs constant intervention, the same way that

857
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: a small kid playing with a stove isn't especially bratty,

858
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: it's just especially dangerous and needs to be curbed asap.

859
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,479
Speaker 1: That's a good analogy. Yeah, I like that. I've even

860
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: tried having a dog trainer friend explain this to him,

861
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: but he still doesn't get it. Okay, I think we

862
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: need to Uh we needed an elaborate ruse for this.

863
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 1: We need to have someone maked documentary on run on

864
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: or or YouTube on why leaving a kid alone with

865
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: a dog is dangerous and they'll be like, oh, I

866
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: got this do like movie tickets, Like let's all go.

867
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: I got I got some dog stories, bro, you got

868
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: some dogst We got to do stories. Okay, guys, stick

869
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: around to the end of this episode. But you should not.

870
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: You should not like a dog you do not know.

871
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: You should not put your face close to Yes, yeah,

872
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: don't do that. Word to the wise. I got you know,

873
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: I got bit in the eye by a freaking crazy dog.

874
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: Was it? This was like a few years ago. It's

875
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: like a year or two ago. Yeah, oh wow, that

876
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 1: was more. Yeah, dude, it like it like it like

877
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: like sliced my eye open. Then I couldn't open my

878
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: eye for a while. A year or two ago, was

879
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: I around? Yeah? Yeah, yeah it was someone we know,

880
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: this crazy dog. That dog should not exist. Was the

881
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: one that was running around Pean in our house. No, no, no,

882
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: that one, not that that's a nice dog. That dog

883
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: can barely open its mouth. That dog is a pug,

884
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: and Van's face is so squished that it could it

885
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: could even venture to try to eat my eyeball.

886
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 3: I was thinking of another one. Wow, there's multiple dogs

887
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 3: that just run around being in the house.

888
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: But back to this sweet dog here in the story.

889
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: I've tried to.

890
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: Come up with excuses for why we could never meet

891
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: at my house for family hangouts, but I couldn't think

892
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: of one. The other day, and my brother and niece

893
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 2: came over. I was cooking dinner and not paying enough

894
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: attention to make sure my dog was okay, which was

895
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 2: absolutely my fault, and I do accept responsibility. I asked

896
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 2: my brother a few times to keep her away from

897
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: my dog, but he kept saying that she was fine.

898
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: I did move my niece away from him a few times,

899
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: but I wasn't vigilant enough, and my dog ended up

900
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: getting to the end of his rope and growled at

901
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: my niece.

902
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: A little growl. After all that of use, would you

903
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: you got one, Sam? You got a good one? I loved,

904
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: I loved chips growl. Yeah, he doesn't. He just grows it.

905
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: It's like it's like a Mongolian thirst, singing and a

906
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: bark combined. And it's so cute. Man. Oh what a

907
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: dog Christian like. I could talk about him all day.

908
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: So I immediately grabbed my dog and brought him into

909
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: my bedroom. I did not punish him at all.

910
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: Frankly, I'm glad that he signaled loud and clear that

911
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 2: he was uncomfortable. I would never want to discourage him

912
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: from doing that, because the next time he'd skip the

913
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 2: growling and.

914
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: Go straight to attack. Oh my god, that would not

915
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: be good, not good at all. So I came out

916
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: of the room writing to talk to my brother about

917
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: how this is what I've been talking about. But he

918
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: was furious. How are you furious? That doesn't make any sense. Hey,

919
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: you're your dog.

920
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can never control my kid, who is a

921
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 2: human who is starting to understand language. But you should

922
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: control your dog. You should speak dog knees and talk

923
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: to your dog.

924
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: Okay. He yelled that my dog is a tennis who

925
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: should be put down and left. No for growling, not

926
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: on my watch, dude, you guys can get on on here,

927
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: and Opie says, I completely understood his reaction. Opie agrees

928
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: for growling, bro, these guys are way too understanding. Opie says,

929
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: that's his daughter and he was afraid for her and

930
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: nothing else mattered to him. But he hasn't calmed down

931
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: at all since has happened, and won't talk to me

932
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: except to say my dog needs to be put down,

933
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: and he won't be speaking to me until it's done.

934
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: So she's like, hey, do we want to do like

935
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: maybe a little like a summer barbecue, get some ribs.

936
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: He's like, put your dog down put, we can have

937
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: your daughter. That's the only ribs I'm interested in right now.

938
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: He also tried to involve our parents, who said they

939
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: will absolutely not be getting involved. They know my niece's

940
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: behavior with my dog has been a problem in the past.

941
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: Just quick aside.

942
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 2: If you were like in your like late twenties, thirties, forties,

943
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 2: and you're involving your parents in something like this, that's

944
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 2: fricking whack. Grow Grow up, grow You're an adult.

945
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: Come on. I have not heard from my sister in

946
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 1: law at all, which makes me think she might agree

947
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: with me. Knowing her personality type, I don't think she'd

948
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: sit out a fight like this if she thought that

949
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: my that my dog was dangerous. The way I see it,

950
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: this is solely my fault and my brother's faults. I

951
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: shouldn't have had allowed my niece to pester my dog.

952
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: I knew what could happen, and I was more concerned

953
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: about how upset my brother got when I tried to

954
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: bring it up than I was about my niece's safety.

955
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: I should have just said my niece wasn't allowed my

956
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: dog until she's got a bit older, and dealt with

957
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: whatever fallout there was. Within the family. This is all

958
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: over a growl. Of course, go to jail, put the

959
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: dog down. Ridiculous, it's you know, call the police. Rowlling

960
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: is a dog's way of letting, you know, to get

961
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: just like back off, stop pulling my hair. I feel

962
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: like it was like like just like that, like simple,

963
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: not not like like, oh I'm going about to rip

964
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: you limb from them.

965
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, not like that. Yeah, none of that. Similarly, my

966
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 2: brother should have kept a better eye and his kid

967
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 2: and not been so defensive when I tried to explain

968
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 2: the problem. My dog, on the other hand, put up

969
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 2: with being pasterned for over a year, and when he

970
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 2: was finally pushed to his limits, signaled very loudly and

971
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: harmlessly that he needed to be removed from the situation.

972
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 2: He's not dangerous and I will not put him down.

973
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: Thank god. Amen.

974
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 2: My brother is now saying that the entire family has

975
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 2: sided with a dog over his child, which is not

976
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: the case. It's just that there are lots of solutions

977
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 2: to this problem. I am perfectly happy to create my

978
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: dog when they come over, or leave him in another room,

979
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: or just never have them over again and hang out

980
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: somewhere else. There's no reason for my niece to ever

981
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 2: see my dog again. And I'd be happy to talk

982
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 2: over a solution with him. It's just that he won't

983
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 2: talk to me at all, and I don't know what

984
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 2: to do. Should I give him more time to cool off.

985
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: Should I go over to his house and try to talk.

986
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 2: I don't want to ruin this relationship. We are very close,

987
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 2: but I'm just not putting my dog down over this.

988
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: Thank god there is an update. I'm concerned that it

989
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: feels like it's even a question. Yeah, Like even saying

990
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: like I'm not putting my dog down over this, like

991
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: feels like like, yes, I'm glad that you're putting your

992
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 1: foot down, but the foot should have been put down

993
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: many steps before. Yeah. I think, like, yeah, Opie's just

994
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: way too considering. I will say I do get especially

995
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 1: in the moment, which I think OPI was trying to say,

996
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: when a parent sees some sort of like imminent threat

997
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 1: to their child kind of freaking out and maybe over overreacting,

998
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: which I think the brother did. But it's like he

999
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: still does not and he won't even like talk about

1000
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: solutions like and he I think the brother is so

1001
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 1: stubborn and not willing to be community. It's an issue

1002
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: of communication because he didn't come a solution before and

1003
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: won't know. I think maybe a little bit of distance

1004
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: fan the brother time out timeout.

1005
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 3: A similar situation happened in my family with the truck.

1006
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 3: My uncle gave my brother a truck and my brother

1007
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 3: was like, Oh, I'm gonna put like things on the

1008
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 3: truck and do all these things, and my uncle's like, no,

1009
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 3: it's my truck, even though my brother bought it from him.

1010
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 3: So he just ended up having to return the truck,

1011
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 3: and my uncle did the mature thing, was like, I

1012
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 3: don't want this to ruin our friend, like our family

1013
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 3: or anything like that, so let's find a compromise, and

1014
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 3: they did so. Honestly, I think a little bit more

1015
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 3: time and if he can't come to his senses, I

1016
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 3: mean over a dog, is he really willing to do

1017
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: like tear the family apart over that?

1018
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: He just might be let's find out here. So update.

1019
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: Hey everyone, thanks so much for the advice on my

1020
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: previous post. It blew up while I was asleep and

1021
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: I couldn't respond to everyone's comments, but I did really

1022
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: appreciate all the people who took good time to give

1023
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: me advice on how to handle my brother. This update

1024
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 1: is kind of a mixed bag. My family has been

1025
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: having dinner together one night a week since the pandemic started,

1026
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: usually at my parents' house. This week, I thought my

1027
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: brother and his family would sit it out and it

1028
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: would be just me and my parents, But my sister

1029
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: in law showed up without my brother or niece. She

1030
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 1: said she I absolutely did not want to discuss what happened,

1031
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: so we didn't. But I can't imagine how pish she

1032
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: must be at my brother to openly go against him

1033
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: so she could attend a dinner with her in laws.

1034
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,439
Speaker 1: So that's good. Yeah, Like it seems like like, hey,

1035
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,919
Speaker 1: I'm kind of showing up in solidarity, and like, because

1036
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: it's with the in law, she's going into enemy territory,

1037
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: so it seems like they're not enemies. Since dinner went

1038
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: well and we all had a good time, I decided

1039
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: to send my brother a textas morning and try to

1040
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: make amends. The text I sent, hey, Bud, we missed

1041
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: you and Niice at the dinner last night. I was

1042
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: hoping he'd come by so we could talk about what

1043
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: happened with Nie and the dog. I understand why you're upset,

1044
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: And I'm really sorry that Nice was scared. You know

1045
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: how much I love Nice and I'd never want anything

1046
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,439
Speaker 1: bad to happen to her. I absolutely won't put down

1047
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: my dog though he's not dangerous. It's just that he

1048
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: can't talk. So he growled, dog and ease. A growl

1049
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: is so chill. I'm just ugh, yeah, it's not that

1050
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: big of a deal annoying to communicate that he wanted

1051
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: Nice to leave him alone. He's a family member to me.

1052
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: I can't put him down. You don't be crazy. How

1053
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: many of your foster dogs growled? Oh? Do you ever

1054
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: have a growl? Oh? For sure, I mean most of them.

1055
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: Some are scared. It was mostly like like like like

1056
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: a scratching up like couches like things like that. But

1057
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: yeah you had some, you had some. Me's sure. Well

1058
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: a lot of barks, Yeah, a lot of barks. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1059
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: like a lot of growling and barking like it's it's

1060
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: it's totally like op he said. It's their way of

1061
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: saying like kidding. It could be it could be like hey,

1062
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: I am threatening you, like more unprovoked or whatever, but

1063
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: like it's in this case, I think it was cut

1064
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: and dry. He's like, yo, stop stop bopping me on

1065
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: the nose top. Yeah, growl. A growl is a boundary

1066
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: being set, dude. Doggy boundaries. Doggy boundaries. That is so true.

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00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: I say doggy style. Oh god, Sam's favorite.

1068
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 2: Not my favorite, especially when he didn't do anything wrong.

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00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 2: But there's lots of other solutions we could work on

1070
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 2: to keep me safe. I'm totally fine if no one

1071
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: in our family he ever wants to see dog again,

1072
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 2: or if you want, we can talk with a dog

1073
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 2: trainer friend to try to figure out something that keeps

1074
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 2: everyone safe. You know, I think you're a great dad

1075
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: and doing an awesome job with niece, but I really

1076
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 2: think she would benefit from understanding how to trude animals.

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00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 2: The next dog she meets might not be as relaxed

1078
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 2: as mine, and she could really get hurt. We can

1079
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: work on teaching her together. Do you want to come

1080
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 2: meet me for dinner next week? I can come to

1081
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: you and we can get take out from our restaurant.

1082
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: I miss you. And here is a text that Opie

1083
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: gets in return from the brother that's gonna be whack.

1084
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: Here we go, gotda be so whacked once? Again, what

1085
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: an opener.

1086
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 2: You and everyone else chose a dog over my human child.

1087
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: The dog didn't do anything.

1088
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what Nie did. She is a human

1089
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 2: and deserves to be safe.

1090
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: You're really saying, well, she started it about your dog

1091
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: almost attacking my child. You can't keep a dog that

1092
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: would attack.

1093
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,280
Speaker 2: A kid for being a kid. And I can't believe

1094
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 2: you're talking about the next time niece meets a dog.

1095
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: What about next time your dog meets a kid. The

1096
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 2: next parent won't be so understanding. Ope, they'll call animal

1097
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 2: control and demand he be put down on the spot.

1098
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 2: Now we can't meet for dinner like nothing happens.

1099
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, Now you can't meet for dinner like

1100
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 3: nothing happened.

1101
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: Yes exactly.

1102
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 2: It's like OPI is extending the olive Branch's like totally

1103
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 2: willing to Hey, we can do something here.

1104
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: And you're just like, nah, too worried about her human child. Yeah,

1105
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: my human my non hairy. I'm pissed, Yeah, talk to me.

1106
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm just it's just ridiculous. Uh, how much the brother

1107
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: is blowing this out of proportion unacceptable way to treat

1108
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: your sibling. Honestly, my response, sorry you feel that way,

1109
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: Please let me know when you're ready to talk about it.

1110
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: I'll be here, By the way, we will always be

1111
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: here on Spotify, Apple and iHeart You can listen to

1112
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: us basically unlimited to your heart's desire.

1113
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 2: We have so many podcast episodes, so go search Okay

1114
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 2: story Time on your favorite pod platform and listen to

1115
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 2: this podcast.

1116
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: But before we get into the end, any closing thoughts.

1117
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 1: Brother needs a timeout, brother needs a time out. That

1118
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: needs a timeout. You please don't put down your dog.

1119
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: Don't do that. And I don't think the dog growling

1120
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: is like is worth all this drama. I couldn't agree

1121
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: more so to close it out, Obie says, I know

1122
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: a lot of you think my brother is a wiener,

1123
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: and just hearing about this one incident, I would too.

1124
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: But I really think every single one of us would

1125
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 1: come off as a wiener if someone wrote a Reddit

1126
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: post asking for advice about the biggest, a whole thing

1127
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: we've ever done. Everyone has their good and bad qualities.

1128
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: Everyone is sometimes the chore to be around.

1129
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Speaker 2: And I love my brother. I don't want to fight

1130
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,439
Speaker 2: with him, and I'm disappointed he's determined to drag this out.

1131
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 2: I know a lot of you wanted me to just

1132
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 2: ignore him until he stopped acting like a jack butt

1133
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 2: or cut him out altogether, but that's just not realistic

1134
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: for me in our relationship, and it's not something that

1135
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 2: I want. I do think my sister in law is

1136
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 2: eventually just going to make him talk to me, so

1137
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: hopefully this won't drag on for too much longer. But

1138
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 2: I'm just really sad about the whole thing. I've done

1139
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 2: all I can do. Though, my sister in law.

1140
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: And I have plans to go hiking this weekend, so

1141
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: at least they're back together. I guess that's unsatisfying. Yeah,

1142
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: I think like I feel like I've been edged. Yes,

1143
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: this was we've been. We've edged and not had our

1144
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 1: goot the goon of good relationships. Yeah, there's been no goon.

1145
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: I feel unedged, I feel ungooned. You feel edged. I

1146
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: feel edged and not gooned. But I got one thing

1147
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: that I'll help you finish is that this episode is finished.

1148
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: Oh all right, Well, sad to finish on on such

1149
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: an edge, but you know that just will keep you

1150
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: on the edge of your seat. Here we go. If

1151
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,959
Speaker 1: you love us, make sure to subscribe we love you

1152
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: and see it tomorrow,