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Speaker 2: Radio, and welcome back. I'm Dale Lolly, he is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and well, this is the Drive on Steelers

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Speaker 2: Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network and Matt Draft Time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's mock it up.

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Speaker 2: It's been a while. We haven't done a mock in

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Speaker 2: a couple of days here. Yeah, I do know. We're

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Speaker 2: on Pro Football Focus here. They have adjusted their rankings.

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Speaker 3: Oh have that good? They have good?

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Speaker 2: Good.

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Speaker 3: One draft note it is I'm friends with Todd McShay.

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Speaker 3: I'm hoping to grab him with the combine and get

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Speaker 3: him on here. He is his own podcast now he's

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Speaker 3: not with ESPN anymore. And I've listened to it on

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Speaker 3: the way here and they were previewing d Lineman. They

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Speaker 3: did two sections. They didn't hear your Awn edge and

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Speaker 3: I was blown away. Todd said he has thirty four

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Speaker 3: day one or two grades on defensive lineman. I think

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Speaker 3: it was seventeen and seventeen. Mike, Wow, you know, like

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Speaker 3: I definitely would love to get one in round one.

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Speaker 3: But if you settle for one of these d linemen

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Speaker 3: you're still gonna be You're still gonna be pretty happy. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you're still going to definitely be pretty happy. So people

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Speaker 3: complained that we or some people complained that we did

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Speaker 3: too many trade downs the last time. We hit it

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Speaker 2: We did, we did, but it's fun, So let's keep

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Speaker 2: it a little more straightforward this time around. The only

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Speaker 2: question I have for is do we want to trade

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Speaker 3: I think that's going to happen, So yes, I think

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Speaker 3: that's fair.

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Speaker 2: Who is our target?

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Speaker 3: I think Kirk is the most logical target. I also

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Speaker 2: Or do you want to try Deebo Samuel this time?

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Speaker 2: That's fine, all right, Let's see what it would take here,

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Speaker 2: according to again Pro Football Focus, to get Deebo Samuel

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Speaker 3: All right, So I think there's a legit chance he

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Speaker 3: gets cut same with copp you know. Yeah, these teams

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Speaker 3: that put out there, you know they're on the block,

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Speaker 3: are basically saying we're gonna cut them soon unless you

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Speaker 2: You know. All right. So they're saying it's going to

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Speaker 2: take a second, but we're gonna get something more back.

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Speaker 3: I'm not even close to that.

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Speaker 2: So what they're what they're saying, the offer would have

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Speaker 2: to be, they're guessing, is the second round pick and

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Speaker 2: we would get one eleven back. I can force more

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Speaker 2: about we just say we signed somebody that we could

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Speaker 2: a fifth round draft pick for Deebo Samuel.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I honestly think he's gonna get cut and you

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Speaker 3: can get him pretty cheap right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm gonna I'm gonna force that trade and

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Speaker 2: I would give that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that's fair. You know you have them

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Speaker 2: So now I'm gonna start to draft. We don't have

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Speaker 2: They bumped him way up on the Yeah, Geodd Campbell,

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Speaker 3: The Wow, not much there, I love. I mean, no, Grant,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Nolan went at seventeen, Grant went at thirteen.

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Speaker 3: I like the player a lot. I don't think trading

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Speaker 2: Not insane. No, Yeah, I just don't know that we

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Speaker 2: need to go create, we need we can't do three,

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Speaker 3: I'd say let's entertain one here and be done.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm fine going that far because I didn't love

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Speaker 2: He said, all right, so if we trade twenty one

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Speaker 2: twenty eight, so obviously involved talking to Detroit first. They're

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Speaker 2: they're hard to trade with, right, they get one thirty two.

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Speaker 2: So if we give twenty one and sixty, we're gonna

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Speaker 3: See, Yeah, I wouldn't mind recouping the five we gave

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Speaker 2: Say one ninety or something like that. So we're moving

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Speaker 2: This time, they moved up to come get our mom membo. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Derek think that's crazy. Derek Carmon went with the next pick.

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Speaker 2: There's yea. They adjusted some players out of their first round.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that there's Grant will give you more

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Speaker 2: I think Tyler Williams is the better run stopper.

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Speaker 3: whoa and then, you know, especially when you watch him

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Speaker 3: where Grant's like, you could have done a little more there, son,

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we're taking Tyler Williams.

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Speaker 3: I'm fine there, I'm fine with that. Yeah, national champion.

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Speaker 2: He can learn from Cam.

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Speaker 3: End, Buckeye buddies. Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 2: So we're up now at pick fifty three, top players available,

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Speaker 2: Tyler Booker. That's more realistic than him going early in

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he'd last that long.

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Speaker 2: But those he's going in round two, he's a guard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, those guys go early round two usually.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, would you consider Tyler Booker in round two?

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Speaker 2: I'm just worried how long to be right? And I

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's looking at Gift Horse in the Mountaer

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Speaker 3: And he's a really good player, and he's fits what

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Speaker 3: Some attractive running backs. I'm kind of like Higgins.

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Speaker 3: State your case. I mean, I love the play explosion.

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Speaker 2: Explosion style will be damned.

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Speaker 2: Give me the best pure runner, and he might be

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Speaker 3: He tore up the playoffs. He is a home run.

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Speaker 3: I don't have any problem with the player. I just

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Speaker 2: And it's not like he's two hundred and ten pounds.

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Speaker 3: No, he's not, he's not.

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Speaker 2: He's not a true inside runner. But I don't know that.

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Speaker 3: We already have a buck guy. We could do it.

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Speaker 2: You want to take him there over some of these

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Speaker 2: But he's a good football player.

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Speaker 3: It's the conversation we just had about the Bamma guard,

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Speaker 3: He could be possible, possible. I mean, I'm not trying

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Speaker 2: At the very least, you've you've prepared down the road yeah.

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Speaker 3: Would you consider trading see them all if you get

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Speaker 2: but we should trade for these guys, and then everybody

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Speaker 3: Plus he's also the leader and the adult and all

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Speaker 2: So probably not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna be other guys available.

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Speaker 3: It might not be on next year, but i'man limeon lineman.

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Speaker 2: He's twenty two years old. Like, let's do it. Well,

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Speaker 2: are we just only going to draft Ohio State guys? Apparently?

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Speaker 2: Apparently that's what we're doing here. So we'll take Will

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Speaker 3: Right, right right, They got plenty to pick from.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Donovan Jackson is a pick.

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Speaker 3: Okay, they have to fight with who, rooms with who.

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Speaker 2: At eighty five we were up. The top player available

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Speaker 2: is Lathan Ransom, the safety out of Advice, not going

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Speaker 2: there all right. Isaiah Bond, wide receiver out of Texas,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Anthony Belton is also available. One of those two. Guys.

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Speaker 3: I think you jump on that.

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Speaker 2: I can just take Azeria Thomas, cornerback out of Florida State. Good, Okay, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Now we don't have another pick though until to twenty four.

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Speaker 3: And we kind of got shut out on d ends,

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Receiver still something I would love the address

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Speaker 2: were all right at two twenty four. The top players

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Speaker 3: It in this league. Yeah, he might not be he's

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Speaker 2: And there's two quarterbacks, three quarterbacks really still available there

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Speaker 3: I don't know much about him. I don't Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: don't do anything for me, but maybe he's wonderful.

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Speaker 2: So Clay Webb guard out of Jacksonville State, Holland Pierce

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Speaker 2: He would be much higher, but yeah, field stuff, Jordan Hancock,

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Speaker 3: Not terrible, He's okay, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Greg Penn linebackert of LSU, Dan Jackson the safety out

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Speaker 2: corner Tonka Hemingway safe defensive lineman out of South Carolina,

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Speaker 3: They're a safety or receiver you like, or quarterback, but

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Speaker 3: we only mentioned two quarterbacks. Yeah, they were super exciting

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Speaker 2: Brew McCoy out of Tennessee do anything for you do worse.

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Speaker 2: Carson Vincent the big offensive tackle out of Texas or

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Speaker 2: Was there.

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Speaker 3: There was a couple o linemen I didn't dislike, but

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Speaker 3: I can't see drafting.

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Speaker 2: Two line yeah, yeah, can't see that. Let's look at

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Speaker 2: the running backs available. You're looking at Donovan Edwards is

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Speaker 3: I kind of like Felton. I kind of like McCoy.

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Speaker 2: Felton's a big guy, I think so. Yeah, not a

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Speaker 2: ton of production, but he's six five two sixteen. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: different than what you have. Yeah, we'll take him. Okay,

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Speaker 2: all right, day Kwon Felton. It is okay, that's our

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Speaker 3: Right, what's kept drafting Ohio State guys. Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 2: So we made one trade down in the first round.

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Speaker 2: Just watch it to move to say, to take TYLERK Williams. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm really sure up in the middle of that D line.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't either, I really don't. That's one the

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Speaker 2: We took Donovan Jackson at sixty that was the other

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Speaker 2: but offensive tackle lot of Ohio State. We took Azerie A.

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Speaker 2: He's different from Tyler Williams.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if him and Logan Lee would be two

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, with the new kickoff roles too, you can

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, to be they could be out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh. And then daykue Felton, the wide receiver at

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Speaker 2: But just don't know. But right, I'll take the extra

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, that was enough sweetener to make that

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't love it.

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Speaker 2: as well and leave comments, give us a thumbs up.

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Speaker 2: We like that, as does the algorithm apparently on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: But anyways, let's get to that break. He's Matt Williamson,

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Speaker 2: I'm Dal Lolly. We'll be back with more after this.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers in radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I am Dale Lowy. He is the Matt

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Speaker 2: Williamson and this is the Drive on the Steelers Audio

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Speaker 2: Network and just recounting what happens on our drive the

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Speaker 2: five hours Indy every five plus hours to Indy. You

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Speaker 2: and West sit in the front seat because I get

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Speaker 2: picked up.

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Speaker 3: We get picked up.

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Speaker 2: Laughs.

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Speaker 3: West picks up one of these ridiculous vehicles that has

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Speaker 3: all kinds of logos and stuff all over it, and

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Speaker 3: people beat.

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Speaker 2: You zip across the Ohio and West drives like a maniac.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I say he nearly killed. I hit the air

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Speaker 3: brake in the front.

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Speaker 2: When West is driving, I don't mind sitting in the

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Speaker 2: back seat.

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Speaker 3: Right, And if you notice, he doesn't get any drive

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Speaker 3: time on the way home. The way Mont, you sit

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Speaker 3: in the back and do whatever you do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The one year this is he's scared? Were you?

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Speaker 2: Was it me and you and Tom Offerman? The one

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Speaker 2: year when Tom went with us and we drove back

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Speaker 2: and Tom slept in the back seat the entire time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a tough time hanging with the big dogs. He

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Speaker 3: was a little sleepy after He's an entire way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't hear a peep out of the Tom

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Speaker 2: and he kept his shirt on.

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Speaker 3: He got his shirt on, right, didn't need all candy

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Speaker 3: like he does here.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, that's what we're looking forward to next week. A

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Speaker 2: great one too. Yeah. Uh thirty third team Matt has

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Speaker 2: broken down this year's uh superlatives for the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: five defensive line draft. Oh okay, fun James Foster did that.

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Speaker 2: He's one of their NFL analysts here and he's taking

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Speaker 2: a different look at some different players who plays the run. Well,

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Speaker 2: who's the best best doing this? And so let's take

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Speaker 2: a look at this and see who the best guys are.

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Speaker 2: So the most complete player in his opinion, is Mason Graham.

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Speaker 3: That's safe, that's safe to say.

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Speaker 2: But he said he didn't qualify as the number one

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Speaker 2: player in any of the other superlatives, but he's the best.

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Speaker 2: He's the best overall player of the group.

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Speaker 3: That's safe to say. He's not the insane pass rusher

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Speaker 3: or the best athlete. Yeah, a little bit shorter arms,

484
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Speaker 3: but I mean he's the best overall football player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, honorable mention for that. TYLERK Williams, who we just

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Speaker 2: took in the first round.

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Speaker 3: Okay, And what was the superlative was how exactly did

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Speaker 3: they word it?

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Speaker 2: Their best rounded, well rounded player. He's the best defensive

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Speaker 2: tackle in this class overall and extremely well rounded as

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Speaker 2: a prospect. Okay, he said he's explosive off the line

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Speaker 2: of scrimmage. He has lateral quickness across the opponent's face

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Speaker 2: and slicing the gaps after he wins. With leverage, He's

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Speaker 2: He's able to bend the rush angle from the edge

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Speaker 2: of the block directly to the quarterback. He also channels

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Speaker 2: a burst into a potent bull rush. As a run defender,

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Speaker 2: Graham has rare technical prowess for a player his age.

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Speaker 2: He stacks and sheds and all that fun stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all true.

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Speaker 2: He has a higher floor than any defensive tackle in

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Speaker 2: this class, extremely high likelihood of being of at least

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Speaker 2: being a quality starter. And then TYLERK. Williams is the

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Speaker 2: mansion there.

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Speaker 3: I like how he finished that about Graham because maybe

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Speaker 3: he won't be Jalen Carter or Aaron Donald or you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, Chris Jones or whatever, but he's not gonna

507
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Speaker 3: be bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll be a good player.

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Speaker 3: For whoever takes player, they're probably happy they took him

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Speaker 3: fifth overall or whatever.

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Speaker 2: And that's just this draft. Yeah, yeah, like that's what

512
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Speaker 2: this draft turns into because that that top of the

513
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Speaker 2: board isn't, you know, even last year's You compare this

514
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Speaker 2: year's draft of last year's draft you're.

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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, agreed, yea real quick on the Ohio State Dude,

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Speaker 3: I hope we didn't haven't given the misconception that he's

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Speaker 3: just run. I mean like, yeah, he can push the pocket,

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Speaker 3: he can get under centers. I mean he can bully

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Speaker 3: the two ninety five pounds sounds got a good motor,

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Speaker 3: he does, and he moved pretty well latterly to he'll

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Speaker 3: chase the ball. He's not just a stiff in an

522
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Speaker 3: anchor in the middle of your defense. He brings more

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Speaker 3: than that.

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Speaker 2: Best athlete. I wonder who, Yes one he is Shamar Turner.

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Speaker 3: Oh, interesting one because I mentioned that McShay podcast was

526
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Speaker 3: listening to today Turner. They didn't say which bone, but

527
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Speaker 3: he played all year with a broken bone. Oh, and

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Speaker 3: they expect him to be a phenomenal tester. He might

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Speaker 3: be a riser, you know. The more that I find

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Speaker 3: out about him, and they think he's going to be

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Speaker 3: great in Indy. You know, good interview and well, I

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Speaker 3: guess you went to the Senior Bowl and they said

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Speaker 3: you have a broken bone, you probably shouldn't do this.

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Speaker 2: He's like, okay, yeah, you know. Interesting. His number two guy,

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Speaker 2: Jordan Phillips out of Maryland.

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Speaker 3: More of a wrestler type. Yeah, athlete, you know. I

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Speaker 3: mean that doesn't mean he's the fastest or jumps the highest,

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Speaker 3: but balance and athleticism is such a right.

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Speaker 2: When you're talking about a three twenty pound person, right,

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Speaker 2: you're not talking about the athleticism of a five ft

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Speaker 2: ten cornerback.

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Speaker 3: I also think he has like a powerlifting background too,

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Speaker 3: and you know, yeah, I like his makeup, yeah, anchor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I.

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Speaker 3: Was just thinking that the physicality that he provides.

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Speaker 2: Best speed, slash, finesse rusher, I don't know who that'd be,

547
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Speaker 2: Omar Norman lot, that's a good one out of Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: Quick off the ball, yeah, you know, kind of a

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Speaker 3: designated interior pass rusher maybe. I mean, like I could

550
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Speaker 3: see his rookie year on third downs, He's out there,

551
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Speaker 3: you know.

552
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Speaker 2: Getting off the ball.

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Speaker 3: I know he is a real high pass rush rush

554
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Speaker 3: win rate, you know, like it's the highest of anyone

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Speaker 3: in the class.

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Speaker 2: But it also should he'd be average seventeen snaps a

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Speaker 2: game last year. Right, That's like you were a designatet

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Speaker 2: you just go get the quarterback. Yeah, and Pierce has

559
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Speaker 2: some of that too.

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Speaker 3: With Tennessee. I guess they used like ten or eleven

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Speaker 3: defensive lineman routinely.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. His honorable mentions. Another guy that I like and

563
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 2: it's very similar, Anias Peebles out of Virginia Tech. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's undersize, but man is he quick. He gets off

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Speaker 2: the ball.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying he's Grady Jarrett, but he's kind

567
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Speaker 3: of has that feel.

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Speaker 2: To him, you know. Yeah, he'll be not for the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you're I could see him hitting early

570
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: fourth or fifth round draft pick. How do the sky

571
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 2: fall this far? Well, he's six ninety pounds, but he's not.

572
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Speaker 3: Easy to block them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Best power rusher, I'm not sure who that would be.

574
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Speaker 2: Darius Alexander from Toledo. Really heavy hand, he's got like arm.

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00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 3: They're like clubs, bull grown man, a little bit older

576
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 3: against mac guys, just moving them against their will.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, good one. Uh. The honorable mention in that

578
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Speaker 2: was Walter Nolan from All miss Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean he gets off the ball super well. He's

580
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 3: a great run stuffer. Two his pass rush you see flashes,

581
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Speaker 3: but it is a lot of bull you know.

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Speaker 2: Now we move on to best run defender. I've bet

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Speaker 2: Nolan's tie on that list. Alfred Collins, that's a good

584
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Speaker 2: one too. Yeah, Like, where would you be in the

585
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 2: Alfred Collins business. I don't know if you get him

586
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Speaker 2: in three. I don't know if i'd take him in two.

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Speaker 2: That's the problem.

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00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's why I brought it up. But he's

589
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Speaker 3: more nosy.

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00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 2: He doesn't really give you anything as a is a

591
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: true pass rusher.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm curious what kind of athleticism he shows in Indy.

593
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 3: That's the end all be all, but I don't think

594
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: it'll be bad.

595
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: But he's almost he's almost sixty six, he's three hundred

596
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 2: and nineteen pounds. The arms are thirty four almost thirty

597
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Speaker 2: five inches long. Like he has not built like your

598
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: typical nose tack.

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00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 3: No, he's not. I mean I wonder does he have

600
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 3: padded level issues? But his length also helps with that stuff.

601
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Speaker 3: How many snaps is he going to give you? I'm

602
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 3: quite sure I haven't painted his picture yet.

603
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

604
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 3: Who's the runner up, Tyler Williams? Yeah okay, so yeah, yeah, yeah,

605
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Speaker 3: that's what he is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean those guys are fire plugs in the middle.

607
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: Some fire plugs are bigger than others, different, different style,

608
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,239
Speaker 2: but you would you would think with a guy like

609
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: Alfred Collins. I mean again, you see that size six '

610
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Speaker 2: five almost sixty six, three hundred and nineteen pounds, like

611
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: thirty four inch, Why isn't the pass rush better? Yeah?

612
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Speaker 2: Can he improve on that?

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Speaker 3: I mean he was a backup last year. Two really

614
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Speaker 3: good players, two good yeahs. You know, had a big

615
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: time program obviously, so maybe that's still developing. I mean

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Speaker 3: he would have started at Pitt, started a lot of

617
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: everywhere basically, right, So maybe that's just work in progress.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, I mean he's he's a

619
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Speaker 2: bull in a china shop to get out of the middle.

620
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, but most guys with his bill, to your point,

621
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Speaker 3: aren't the fire plug run stuffers. Right, He's already got that,

622
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 3: which is impressive.

623
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that is his grouping of the superlatives for

624
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Speaker 2: the defensive line draft. That's James Foster. A lot of

625
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Speaker 2: the names we've been talking about there.

626
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, it's an unbelievably good class. One name

627
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 3: I might want to reconsider is the South Carolina dude.

628
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:56,239
Speaker 3: I mean, he is more three technique upfield penetrator. But

629
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Speaker 3: I didn't realize he was six or four with long

630
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Speaker 3: arms and two ninety five too, you know, like.

631
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: When you were telling you kept saying he's undersized, and

632
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, he plays like a smaller Geno act in

633
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: ninety plus pounds.

634
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I thought he was six two, not six

635
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 3: four in change, like I think he might be six

636
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 3: four and a half. He may be if Steeler typed

637
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 3: a yet.

638
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to ride the ride.

639
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 3: Maybe I just got him wrong from the start or

640
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 3: getting them just late to the party on him, but

641
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: it makes a lot of plays. Yeah, Yeah, he's an

642
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 3: intriguing dude.

643
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean there's so many of them, just

644
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: dudes all through this draft that you know, if you

645
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: don't get one in round one, you decide to go

646
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: a different direction. You take Ashton genty as we did. Yeah,

647
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: right right, Micshee did or not Michee? Daniel Jared Maya did?

648
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeh did that right? There are a lot of different

649
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 2: ways you can go in this particular draft to get

650
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Speaker 2: what you need.

651
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: The day to d linemen are going to be plentiful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you just got to get the right one, and

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Speaker 2: you got to get the right one in the first

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Speaker 2: round too, of course.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's just that's not a d line issue.

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Speaker 3: That's with all positions. But what's the best way to

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Speaker 3: build the puzzle. Yeah, we'll see, but free agency will

658
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Speaker 3: lot to do it too. Absolutely, let's get to another break.

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Speaker 3: He is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on

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Speaker 2: the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I'll be back to

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Speaker 2: finish up the show right after this.

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 1: the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back on Dale Lolly. He is the Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: and Matt on CBS Sports here dot Com, I'm looking

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Speaker 2: and Chris trap Trapasso is donald mock draft predicting the

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Speaker 2: stars of the NFL combine into the first round. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's a good action. When he says that maybe.

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Speaker 3: You shouldn't say rise into the first round.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, because those guys are probably already ranked at

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Speaker 2: high by team. This just that's the Again, we just

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Speaker 2: did a mock draft on on Pro Football Focus and

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Speaker 2: they changed their rankings around.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is an ever and ever. I

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Speaker 3: want to get it right day one.

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Speaker 2: But when we started this process, for example, we were

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Speaker 2: getting a guy like Darius Alexander in the third or

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Speaker 2: fourth round. Yeah, and then Josh Farmer in the fourth

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Speaker 2: or fifth round.

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Speaker 3: And Alexander we could then he was like you pretty

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Speaker 3: much always get him in two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now I think now he's up in the one, like, okay,

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Speaker 2: what changed? Well, their perception of the player.

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Speaker 3: A lot of it's because a lot of us are

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Speaker 3: late to the party, won't do this year round. But

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Speaker 3: the more you watch them, the more you you stack

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Speaker 3: your your ballot too. And you know, boy, you put

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Speaker 3: your foot to the fire. Do I want him or

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Speaker 3: do I want the other d line? I'm going with him,

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Speaker 3: you know. And then they raise up a little bit.

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Speaker 2: So he's saying, Abdull Carter goes number one overall to

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Speaker 2: the Tennessee Titans.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so he's I thought he was doing a mock.

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00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 3: I misunderstood what the I thought he was gonna like say,

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00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: these dudes are all ready to.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're gonna we'll get to that one guy. He's

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Speaker 2: cam word to Travis Hunter, three to the Browns. The

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Speaker 2: Giant's making a little swap there. No, Well, Campbell to

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Speaker 2: the Patriots. Nick m you wori it picked five to

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Speaker 2: the Jaguars.

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Speaker 3: Really, I mean he could go crazy at the column,

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Speaker 3: he could go crazy to the crazy crazy.

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Speaker 2: Could he go that crazy?

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. I mean, like.

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Speaker 2: If he ran like a four to three something at

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Speaker 2: six three, two hundred and twenty seven pounds, maybe, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I mean everybody knows he's fast right now. Of course,

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Speaker 2: of course probably he put it this way. He's higher,

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Speaker 2: likely higher on NFL draft boards than the mock then

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Speaker 2: where he's been being mocked because he's a safety.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I mean, like I'm going old, But is

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Speaker 3: he Sean Taylor? Like, I mean, there aren't many safeties

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Speaker 3: that are top ten. I mean Hamilton was fifteen or

716
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Speaker 3: something like that, Troy was, Ed Reid was, I mean

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Speaker 3: not close to top ten. Sean Taylor is only on

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Speaker 3: what I can remember recently. Dude, though Taylor was a

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Speaker 3: total freak. But yeah, those guys are didn't look like him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh. At six, then the Shador Sanders goes to Vegas. Okay,

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00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: Mason Graham goes at seven to the Jets.

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Speaker 3: I would think they'd be pretty happy that put in

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Speaker 3: Mexic Quentin and Williams.

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Speaker 2: At eight, James Pierce goes to the Carolina and.

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Speaker 3: Those people love him or question him. He's got some

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Speaker 3: good tape. He has some good tape going back years,

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Speaker 3: you know. I mean he has a lot of trade.

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Speaker 2: And it's not just bending the edge. It's like, no,

729
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: he's got a variety. He's got a variety of moves. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I get the allure. Yeah. At nine, Tyler Warren goes

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Speaker 2: to the New Orleans Saints.

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Speaker 3: I think he has a chance to go really high.

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Speaker 2: At ten, Arianta Ursery to the Bears. Really yeah.

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Speaker 3: Is he considered an elite crazy athlete?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's. I mean the fact that he's

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Speaker 2: a tackle six six thirty pounds, he goes out and

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Speaker 2: runs well mirrors. Yeah, yeah, like you're gonna he's got

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Speaker 2: classic size.

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Speaker 3: I could see him being a riser. I mean that's

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Speaker 3: quite the rise obviously, but still I know that that's

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Speaker 3: the exercise here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. At eleven, Mike Green goes to the forty nine

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Speaker 2: ers Drusher ad of Marshall. That wouldn't surprise me either. Twelve,

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Speaker 2: Ashton genty goes to the Cowboys. Fair enough. At thirteen,

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Speaker 2: Kelvin Banks Junior to the Miami Dolphins. I would think

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Speaker 2: they'd be pretty happy with that. And i'd think, so

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00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: they're a tackle or a guard for him. At fourteen,

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Speaker 2: Will Johnson goes to the Colts.

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Speaker 3: It's not about his floor. I would think somewhere in

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Speaker 3: that range. Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Uh. At fifteen, Jaylen Walker goes to the Atlanta Falcons.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he's for everyone, but people are

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Speaker 3: gonna think he's Michael Parsons and he's got some explosive

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Speaker 3: explosiveness to him.

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Speaker 2: I mean yeah. Sixteen, Kenneth Grant goes to the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: I think he's gonna put on a show. And yeah,

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00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 3: he was a freaks liss guy, and you know, I

758
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 3: mean that's what he does.

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Speaker 2: Seventeen, Walter Nolan goes to the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't like both those guys being gone, but Worley was

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Speaker 3: thinking that Nolan probably won't make.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would get it. At eighteen, Landon Jackson, the

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Speaker 2: edge rusher out of Arkansas, goes to the Seattle Seahawks.

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Speaker 3: He has some freaky traits. I mean, I see what

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Speaker 3: he's doing here that got the trade students or.

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Speaker 2: The trade students or who we're talking about. Yeah, these

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00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 2: are guys that you should know who, and the.

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Speaker 3: Coaches are more involved and give me that, give me

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Speaker 3: those trades, I'll coach them up.

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Speaker 2: You know. At nineteen, tedor Roe mc millan goes to

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Speaker 2: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

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Speaker 3: Put him next to Evans.

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Speaker 2: There's your Mike Evans replace right. Yeah. At twenty Colston Loveland,

774
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: the tight end out of Michigan, goes to the Broncos.

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Speaker 2: I think they'd be very happy with that. At twenty one,

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Speaker 2: Darius Alexander Wow goes to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 3: That might not sound crazy, I mean it really not.

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Speaker 3: I mean we had a hard time saying anything bad

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Speaker 3: about him when we were taking him around two and right,

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00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: all that stuff. You know, small school.

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Speaker 2: Small school. I guess he's primed for a big workout

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Speaker 2: and he's six four three ten, long arm, yeah, big hands,

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Speaker 2: you know, right?

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Speaker 3: Good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah again. I talked to him for five minutes at

786
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Speaker 2: the Combine or at the Senior Bowl. But seemed like

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Speaker 2: a pretty good kid. It seemed like he had a

788
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Speaker 2: good head on his shoulders. And you know, okay, at

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Speaker 2: twenty two, you're gonna like this one. Bayshelle touton running

790
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Speaker 2: back out of Virginia Tech. I think he's going to

791
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Speaker 2: have yeah, but he's ugly in the first he's not

792
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: going to go in the first round. But he's getting

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Speaker 2: the name.

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Speaker 3: I see what he's doing. Yeah, okay, I'm starting to

795
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Speaker 3: warm up to the whole exercise.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna he will run well oh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. I mean there's explosive traits and he'll he

798
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 3: have some breakaway speed too.

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Speaker 2: Uh. At twenty three, Chavon.

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Speaker 3: Ravel hopefully shows he's healthy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

802
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Speaker 3: I don't think he's gonna work out, but if he

803
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 3: can right get the clean barrel.

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00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: Hell, that's the key for him is he's got to

805
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: show that he's healthy because you want to have to

806
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: come back for the retrack the tape. The tape looks good,

807
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: the results are good. Now you've got to see if

808
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: you know the tape, it's just something. I'll no, if

809
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 2: he's got it, he's still got something wrong with him.

810
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: We're going to you know, Yeah, he's not gonna be

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Speaker 2: able to do his pro day and that kind of stuff.

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00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 2: Twenty four Minnesota takes Donovan Jackson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Twenty five the Houston Texans take a Mecca EGGBYCA.

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Speaker 3: Receiver is a huge to need for them. Yeah, I

816
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 3: would want someone that's pretty NFL ready, and he fits that.

817
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: Twenty six, the Rams take Josh Farmer, offensive lineman from

818
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Speaker 2: Florida State.

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Speaker 3: I've they say he's going to test quite well. Yeah,

820
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 3: he's very balanced. The drills will look good, you know,

821
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Speaker 3: I understand all that.

822
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 2: At twenty seven, the Ravens take Josh Simmons, the offensive tackle.

823
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Speaker 3: On another state. Let's see where you're automatically. I don't

824
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 3: think he'll work out or anything right.

825
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 2: At twenty eight, the Lions get Shamar Stewart, the defensive

826
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Speaker 2: lineman from Texas A and M.

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Speaker 3: He was paying a little more attention to him too,

828
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: and boy the traits are crazy. But one of the

829
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Speaker 3: reasons he doesn't get sacks is I don't think he

830
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 3: has any clue he's doing. I mean, like some of

831
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Speaker 3: his run defense stuff, it's like, I mean, he's just

832
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 3: such a bors.

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Speaker 2: So. I can remember when the Steelers draft a bud Dupree. Yeah, yeah,

834
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 2: in the first round. I was on the air on

835
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Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio at the team for and the Steelers.

836
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 2: The pick comes in. Steelers take bud Dupree outside linebacker Kentucky. Yeah,

837
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'd watched him and I'm like, look,

838
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: he doesn't know what he's doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah he doesn't.

839
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Speaker 2: He's freaky athlete he has.

840
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 3: He looks wonderful. You watch the tape and.

841
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: You see the ball running by him and then all

842
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: of a sudden he turned to look.

843
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 3: Oh now he's now he's gonna go get it. Yeah,

844
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 3: this guy is some of those trades.

845
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 2: And that proved to be the case for a couple

846
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: of years. Yeah. Then when it when it finally turned on, like, okay,

847
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: now he's a good football player.

848
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 3: He ended his Steeler career. He's wrong, you know, right,

849
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 3: you gotta be patient though, right, Yeah, you gotta be

850
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 3: patient to be similar. Yeah, because he'll do great in Indye, right,

851
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 3: I know that part.

852
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: And Bud Dupree was a ridiculous athlete.

853
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. His vertical with all his stuff was speed,

854
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: all that stuff, and boy he looked a part.

855
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: Uh. At twenty nine, the Commanders take Michael Williams. He

856
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 2: had rusher out of Georgia. He's another one.

857
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 3: He's a I think he's like twenty right now, five

858
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 3: star recruit six ' five to seventy long arms doesn't

859
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 3: make a ton of plays.

860
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. Uh, Buffalo at thirty takes Prince Hugh,

861
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 2: the edge rusher out of Ole miss I can.

862
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 3: See him being fast, pretty long strider. Yeah, yeah, I

863
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: could see him do.

864
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: The Chiefs take Jihad Campbell, the linebacker out of Alabama.

865
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: Certainly an athlete. Yeah, and then Nick Scalurton finishes off

866
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: the first round going to the Philadelphia weigh.

867
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Speaker 3: In at is he going to try to be the

868
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Speaker 3: power end, the Aaron Smith Cam Hayward or is he

869
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 3: going to try to be the Bud Dupre.

870
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: You know, I would guess he probably comes now he's

871
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 2: listed at six four to two eighty five. Bet I

872
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: bet he comes in around two.

873
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 3: Eighty seventy five to eighty. I would try to be

874
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 3: a little leaner than what he played.

875
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,959
Speaker 2: It it's easier to put that weight back on than it.

876
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 3: Is to ian what team takes you. But I would

877
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 3: want to test well in Indy. Yeah, that's the NBA

878
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 3: as explosives, I could ten yard splits all that kind

879
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 3: of stuff too.

880
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, jumps, and that's one thing, you know, I think

881
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 2: when when you get to Indianapolis and we'll start getting

882
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: those heights and weights and all that stuff. You need

883
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: to pay attention to those things because if the guy's

884
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: listed it, well he's listed at six to two, he's

885
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 2: actually six to one where he's six foot and a

886
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 2: half and he's listed at two hundred and fifteen pounds,

887
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 2: but he's actually won ninety eight like that. Man. That

888
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: stuff matters.

889
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 3: It absolutely matters, not to mention. We constant reminder this

890
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 3: time of year. Okay, boy, he's bigger than I thought

891
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 3: he would be, but he didn't run. Yeah, why then

892
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 3: his pro day he runs and waited in a little less.

893
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 3: But no one ever pays attention to the way in

894
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 3: at the pro day, you know, like fans don't. I

895
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: mean the teams do, of course, right, you know what,

896
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 3: how did you run for your size that given day?

897
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 3: These guys can change your bodies draftically.

898
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: That's the beautiful thing about the combine is that they're

899
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 2: all running on the same track. That too, and they're

900
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 2: all working out on the same track, they're all working

901
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: out in the same drills. It goes a long way.

902
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: Like these quarterbacks go to their pro days, they're throwing

903
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 2: to hand picked receivers scripted. They're making the throws that

904
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: they want to make not what the NFL wants to

905
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: see necessarily.

906
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 3: Right, and they're not right next to their buddy.

907
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: The assembly line stuff where you can see all that

908
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 2: barble he jumps out of that guy's hands.

909
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 3: Oh, who's that?

910
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: Not as much as that.

911
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 3: Guy though exactly exactly doing the exact same throws. Yeah,

912
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: now there's a lot to take away from it. I

913
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 3: mean the drills too. I really like the drills for

914
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 3: the defensive backs to the pedal drills. Can you find

915
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 3: the football stuff like that too?

916
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: Do you think we started to see in some recent

917
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: years more guys not working out at the combine? Hmm.

918
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 2: If they're quote unquote think they're going to be some

919
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 2: of the top guys taken.

920
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 3: Maybe the one thing I'm not in tune with is

921
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 3: I know the players didn't like some of the schedule

922
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 3: changes where for TV reasons they're running late in the day. Yeah,

923
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 3: it was like ten pm. Sometimes they're asking them to

924
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 3: do you know, shuttles and stuff, and they're like, you've

925
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 3: had me up since five in the morning. Yeah, I

926
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 3: can get it. I'm on my best. Why would I

927
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 3: put that out there? Yeah, totally get that.

928
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: At the other side of The equation, though, is you

929
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 2: can't have them doing their interviews and stuff at three

930
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning, right right, right right.

931
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 3: I mean it's a lot squashed into weather there four days.

932
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, do the They could do the running earlier in

933
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: the day and just save it for TV. They don't

934
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 2: have to do it live.

935
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 3: No, no one's in the building anyway, right, might sneak

936
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 3: out what some of the numbers are.

937
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 2: But so we'll still turn it on. Over that guy

938
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 2: ran a four three three, I'm gonna turn on and watch.

939
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 3: It, especially the drill stuff. Yeah, you can put that

940
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 3: out on later. Yeah, But but I knew the players

941
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 3: were upset about it. I didn't blame it.

942
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: It does give us something to watch when we're out

943
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 2: and about later in the day.

944
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no questions, Just funny. I was I forget.

945
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 3: I was talking to you today about, oh, you'renna be

946
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: at the combine. I'm like, yeah, but I missed the

947
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 3: combine moment. They don't see them you were at the combo.

948
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: If I was home, I'd watch every drill in my

949
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 3: lazy boy, you know, But I missed the combine. And

950
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: then you get home and it's like I already know

951
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: Darth Vader's Luke's dad. You know, like I do watch

952
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 3: them again.

953
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: But we mentioned that, you know, the drive the drive out,

954
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 2: we talk about whatever on the drive back. A lot

955
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: of times we're looking at Twitter or ex Twitter as

956
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: it were, and seeing what because we leave on right

957
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 2: because there's no reason for us to stay there for

958
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 2: the weekend, and so we're just oh, this guy ran

959
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: a for you know, four two seven, this guy.

960
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 3: Was jumped whoever, it's not driving's like, you know, go

961
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 3: and score, you know, all the different stuff. But I

962
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 3: do like when they come out, go look at the

963
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 3: top ten percent in the bottom ten percent right away,

964
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 3: who are the outliers in every drill, you know, for

965
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 3: their position group.

966
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 2: And you can sort all that stuff on NFL dot com.

967
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: It's not hard to find at all. But Matt, that's

968
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 2: going to do it for the show today, Oki Doki.

969
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 2: We will be back again tomorrow and Friday, and then

970
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 2: of course Monday will be in Indianapolis and we'll be

971
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 2: there all week long. You can hear all of our

972
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 2: programming from Steelers Nation Radio will be in Indianapolis. So

973
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 2: it's going to be wall to wall basically nine to

974
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 2: five every day a lot of people involved can't wait

975
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,959
Speaker 2: for that. But for my partner Matt Williamson, for Justin

976
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: Miller here running the Justin Miller Hotline and getting a

977
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 2: spob Labriola today, and for Teven Dandrews making sure our

978
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: video gets out there onto YouTube. I'm Dale Lollie. We

979
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: thank you for listening to this edition of the Drive

980
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Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network.