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Speaker 1: learned something new every day. Thank you see. And you

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Speaker 1: did you see this? President Trump's talking about the impact

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Speaker 1: And it's a disgrace because this process was not supposed

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Speaker 1: essentially with Kamala Harris dropping out Patrick, I mean size

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Speaker 1: They I don't think they're they're bluffing here. I mean

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Speaker 1: It's kind of gotten away from that. We have, you know,

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Speaker 1: We got a long road ahead with you know, Mayor

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg getting in. It's all going to get you know,

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Speaker 1: not just going for broken. I've heard everything on this.

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Speaker 1: I've heard that he presents a foil for Bernie Sanders.

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Speaker 1: Crystal Ball has a column out She's a Democratic insider

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Speaker 1: And if you're falling along at home, the fundraising consistency

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Speaker 1: do you size that dynamic up? I mean, it's hard

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Speaker 1: And so it's it's really interesting how he was able

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Speaker 1: I mean we loved it. We loved watching that dissension

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Speaker 1: out to hurt her big time. But you know, we're

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Speaker 1: don't think Sanders drops out. Maybe there's a coalition that

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Speaker 1: election like where That's a good point, right, because you

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Speaker 1: there's a long way to go with with this election.

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Speaker 1: And Booker the superpack for Booker. Corey Booker released an

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Speaker 1: and this was not an attack ad. Okay, But they

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Speaker 1: to show you you're only as good as your next play.

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Speaker 1: Think feels like he's just fighting on for relevance. Didn't

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Speaker 1: you like save someone from a fire too. I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: old enough to remember that story, all right? Just as

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Speaker 1: all right, it's time now for my favorite segment of

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Speaker 1: the show. I'm sorry, I just just shoulder. I can

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Speaker 1: not my job. So what, um, what's on the panel's radar? Patrick?

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Speaker 1: What's on your radar? What's on the radar? Not not

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Speaker 1: Maybe something isn't getting enough coverage. Obviously, it's whether it's

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Speaker 1: like the tactics that President Trump and the administration are

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Speaker 1: It's just like tariff, tariff, tariff everywhere you look, constantly

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Speaker 1: potential for new tariffs. All right, Ran, what's on the radar? Well,

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Speaker 1: besides planning our Christmas party? UM, I'm looking at how

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Speaker 1: A package, you know, a trade package. How does that

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Speaker 1: could that ever fly here? And uh not that we

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Speaker 1: have a very different system than Israel. But you wonder

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Speaker 1: if there would ever be a tipping point. And I

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Speaker 1: know we began started the show by saying Republicans are

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Speaker 1: firmly united with the president, but Ron in the minute

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Speaker 1: that we have left, would there ever be a tipping

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Speaker 1: point where that support we'll go away? I don't see

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Speaker 1: From the president. Sorry I didn't connect that dot there

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Speaker 1: back here abroad, it seems like there was a support

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Speaker 1: support would break if he is no longer authentic to

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Speaker 1: his base, if he became If he became what a

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Speaker 1: lot of people do is they go what they've gone Washington,

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Speaker 1: so to speak, meaning they they've become part of the problem.

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Speaker 1: And as long as he stays the anti smash establishment

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Speaker 1: he somehow, you know, I remember, um, you know when

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Speaker 1: he was going to agree to government funding to a

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Speaker 1: of it and he shut that government down for a

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Speaker 1: long time. Alright, alright, thanks for coming on, guys, would

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Speaker 1: you come back? It was an honor to It was

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Speaker 1: an honor, and old Ken it's so cold up here.

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Speaker 1: All right. That's it for me. Thank you Patrick, Thank

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Speaker 1: you Ron. I'm Kevin Cirelli. You're listening to Bloomberg ninety

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