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Speaker 2: And we are back. Welcome to our number two of

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Speaker 2: the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. And Matt

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Speaker 2: as it all. He's his time for here, ower number two.

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Speaker 2: We're going to continue to look here unless unless the

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Speaker 2: Landon Roberts wants to give us a call. Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 2: He can interfere, he can interfere with Trantasy Football focus.

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Speaker 2: But everybody's been waiting. We're going to go through the

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Speaker 2: tight ends. Okay. I think it's a deep group, deeper

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Speaker 2: than usual, deeper than usual.

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Speaker 3: The two and two notes I'd have on tight ends

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Speaker 3: as a whole are deeper than usual. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: can live with tight end ten, eleven, twelve and still

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Speaker 3: probably compete. And I don't see any reason one to

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Speaker 3: take the first tight end off the board, and certainly

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Speaker 3: not as high as like Kelsey's gone the last couple

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Speaker 3: of years. I mean, he's been like a first round

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Speaker 3: pick lately. Crazy, that's yea yeah, and he's been worth it.

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Speaker 2: But in those years when there was nobody near him,

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Speaker 2: and now there's several of these young guys that are

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Speaker 2: pushing him exactly, and it's you know.

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Speaker 3: He's not even the decisive number one at this point.

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Speaker 3: But I thought there was years that he was truly

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Speaker 3: the fantasy MVP.

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Speaker 2: I mean, when he has one hundred more points than

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Speaker 2: the next closest guy. Yeah, you take him in the

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Speaker 2: first round, right, and maybe it gives you such an advantage.

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Speaker 3: To maybe take him first overall in hindsight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, no, imagine if that would have happened.

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Speaker 2: I know, like I'm taking that, I get the number

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Speaker 2: one pick, I'm gonna take Travis Kelcey.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it still gives you a huge advantage over

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Speaker 3: every opponent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Looking here at fantasypros dot Com, we have these

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Speaker 2: guys tiered out and the first three tiers go down

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Speaker 2: to fourteen to your point.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, there's some guys that aren't gonna be starters,

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Speaker 3: that are pretty quality players.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So they have Sam laporta number one.

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Speaker 3: I understand it. I mean, could Kelsey be on somewhat

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Speaker 3: of a pitch count, you know, he was a little

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Speaker 3: bit last year. They have three other receiving weapons. You know,

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Speaker 3: maybe he's only out there ten percent less than he

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Speaker 3: used to be, or he's ten percent slower than he

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Speaker 3: used to be. I know this sounds goofy, but my

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Speaker 3: hunch is spending the off season on Taylor Swift's Hero's

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Speaker 3: Tour isn't great for conditioning and making a better player.

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Speaker 2: Just a hunch. You don't think he was out there

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Speaker 2: running on the sand, And.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure he found a weight room in

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Speaker 3: the hotel or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But that was probably even tough though for him, because now,

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Speaker 2: I mean, he can't go anywhere, but he knows who he.

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Speaker 3: Is, yeah, exactly. He can't do anything. Yeah, and I'm

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Speaker 3: sure post concert there's fun things going on in Belgium

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Speaker 3: or Switzerland or wherever they're at too. That doesn't involve

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Speaker 3: being a better tight end.

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Speaker 2: It has for Taylor Swift. But anyway, done. Kelsey is

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Speaker 2: number two.

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Speaker 3: Okay, quick note on Laporta, which I don't put a

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Speaker 3: lot of stock into, but he's one of these huge

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Speaker 3: touchdown regression candidates because a very high number of his

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Speaker 3: catches ended up going for touchdowns. The chance of that

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Speaker 3: percentage being as high is pretty low, but he's still

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Speaker 3: the number two receiver on a really good on a

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Speaker 2: H Yeah, so Kelsey number two the third player in

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Speaker 2: a preference of those two, I don't get. I really

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Speaker 2: Mark Andrews is number three.

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Speaker 3: I think he is for me too, I mean, really

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Speaker 3: consistent when he's health.

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Speaker 2: When he's healthy, that's that's the problem. I took him

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Speaker 2: last year, I think. Yeah, I remember in our draft

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Speaker 3: The other thing, too, is if he's questionable, likely being

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Speaker 3: what I mean, He's he's probably the best handcuff tight

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you might want a draft if you take take

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Speaker 2: take likely as your number two and then just pick

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Speaker 2: So he don't really have to worry.

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Speaker 3: About it because just think with for a long time,

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Speaker 3: what likely would cost if Andrews were to miss the year. Ye,

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Speaker 3: I mean it'd be a huge fab dollar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Going into Tier two. Number four on fantasypros dot

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Speaker 2: Com is Trey McBride. I tend to agree you're gonna

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Speaker 3: That I was about to say is the knock is

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Speaker 3: he did his best work when the receivers were hurt,

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Speaker 3: and it was late in the year and he didn't

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Speaker 3: do anything really as a rookie. But he also did

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Speaker 3: his best work when Kyler Murray was back in which

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Speaker 3: you know, and he as Steeler fans saw, he passed

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Speaker 3: the eyeball test. He's a good player.

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Speaker 2: George Kittle at five, I prefer Kinkaid. I do too,

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Speaker 2: I might prefer Pits to prefer Pits as well, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: just because of what they're going to mean in their

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Incaid's But how many targets do you

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Speaker 3: say McBride got whatever it is more? Yeah, I think

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Speaker 3: and Kaid will out target a lot of these guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think he is with you. Yeah, he might be

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Speaker 3: the one on his team considering the receivers. I think

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Speaker 3: Pitts was just injured last year. Yeah, And if people

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Speaker 3: give Arthur Smith a hard time. People give Pitts a

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Speaker 3: hard time. You know, a thousand yards as a rookie.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's like unheard of. He just didn't score

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Speaker 3: there on a bad knee one and running deep downfield

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Speaker 2: It's tough. So they have Pits at six, Okay, Kincaid

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Speaker 3: That's pretty I'll gladly take Kinkaid with six tight ends

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Speaker 2: At eight, they have Jake Ferguson. And I know you're

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Speaker 2: not a Jake Ferguson volumes great, but you were again

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Speaker 2: the number two receiver and a really good passing offense.

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Speaker 3: I know, and I was wrong, But it's the same

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Speaker 3: thing that we have the same conversations with Schultz when

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Speaker 3: he was there. Just because they're not a special tight end.

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Speaker 3: Dak loves throwing the tight end. They scheme it up well.

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Speaker 3: He'll probably have more Fantasy points than Brandon Cooks, I

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Speaker 3: don't feel enough with more targets, but he'll have more touchdowns,

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Speaker 3: more production. You know, he's not a terrible talent. I

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Speaker 3: but I think there's a line after the top seven.

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Speaker 2: I would have him ahead of the guys ranked right

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Speaker 2: behind him for sure, and that's David and Joku and

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Speaker 2: I think in Djoku, for of his targets last year

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Speaker 2: Joe Flacco was the quarterback. Yeah, and is not the

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Speaker 2: now it's going to be Jameis Winston. Jameis Winston is

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Speaker 2: not a guy who's going to check down to the

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Speaker 2: tight ends. No, no, no, no, definitely not. You're going to

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Speaker 2: be throwing the ball down the field.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, I think Stefancy loves Najoku and they

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Speaker 3: schemed a lot of stuff up for him. But your

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Speaker 3: point's strong with Flacco. Flacco's a smart, veteran dump it

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Speaker 3: lot in the joke, probably more than any of these

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Speaker 3: tight ends. A lot of the Joku's receiving numbers were

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Speaker 3: after the catch. Yeah, and he's good after the catch,

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Speaker 3: but he's not special. I mean he's not the best.

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Speaker 3: He's not Deebo Samuel, right. I mean, he's a good

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Speaker 3: after the catch player. This might shock people, though, but

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Speaker 3: Evan Ingram was the second highest fantasy tight end last

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Speaker 2: He was the most targeted tight end in the league.

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Speaker 2: Was he most targeted? Okay? I mean, I say it's

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Speaker 2: a lot of volume.

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Speaker 3: And I know they drafted a receiver in the first

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know his role changed as much

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Speaker 2: Let's put this on. I'm looking here at David and

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Speaker 2: Joku's stats from last year. You mentioned he's a big

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Speaker 2: run after the catch guy. Yeah, he's still on the

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Speaker 2: average ten point nine yards of catch. Anyone watched him.

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Speaker 2: He caught a lot of balls at the line of scrimmage. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and you look at it. It was really from Week

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Speaker 2: ten on that his production spiked fifteen targets, nine targets,

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Speaker 2: Before that, when Deshaun Watson was in there, three targets,

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Speaker 2: gonna get by taking David and Joku. Let somebody else

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I've heard this argument, which is the counter

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Speaker 3: to that is, well, the Browns finally figured out what

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Speaker 3: looked at it like, well, they they were quarterback, they

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Speaker 2: They were paying him going into last season. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he didn't change. He didn't change. One thing changed was

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Speaker 2: the guy's getting the ball. The quarterback doesn't want to

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Speaker 2: throw the ball to the tight end. He's not going

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Speaker 2: to throw the ball to the tight end. No.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, those three, I think I have him Ingram

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Speaker 3: ferguson the JOKU.

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Speaker 2: And I would have some guys who are rated behind

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Speaker 2: in DJOKU on this list. Tier in tier three. Tier

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Speaker 2: three is four guys. That's Brock Bouers.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what to do with him. I'm he's

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Speaker 3: a really hard guy for me to rank.

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Speaker 2: Dallas Goddard. I think this trade hurts him. Trade hurts him. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Pat Fryarmouth and Dalton Schultz. Now I know you're not

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Speaker 2: a Shultz guy either. Schultz the last of that group.

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Speaker 2: For me. I might have Schultz ahead in the Joku. Oh,

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Speaker 2: I can't get that far. Where are you at the Bauers.

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Speaker 2: I think they're gonna they're gonna incorporate him into the offense.

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Speaker 2: They didn't take him into the top ten to not.

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Speaker 3: Use him, right, And they've played a lot of twelve

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Speaker 3: personnel in the preseason, which I think is absolutely on purpose,

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Speaker 3: and they have a role for him.

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Speaker 2: I just didn't wear to rank them. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Like, it doesn't mean he's gonna Adams is gonna get

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Speaker 3: more targets. Is myers a gonna get more targets? I probably,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what to do them. He probably is

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Speaker 3: just not gonna be on my team.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I look at Dalton Schultz. He's had a

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Speaker 2: good career. He had eighty eight targets last year in

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Speaker 2: Just I just think to me and Joku, I don't

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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't want him where he's ranked, but I

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, is he gonna have better numbers than Schultz?

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Speaker 2: But different coordinator. I know we talked about quarterback who

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Speaker 2: I mean because the year before, friar Mouth had more

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Speaker 3: And you see the Bengals game and you know it's

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Speaker 3: I mean we've talked Friar to death. Of course I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it. Moving into Tier four. TJ. Hawkinson.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you do in the job. You

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Speaker 2: hear things the wild card. Taysom Hill. Oh, I think

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Speaker 3: I just don't trust him because I always feel like

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Speaker 2: Oh the good games. You're gonna be like, oh, look

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's gonna be games he plays eight snaps. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's hard for me.

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Speaker 2: You gotta be able to live with it.

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Speaker 2: Luke muskrove is at seventeen.

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Speaker 3: I'm a fan. I just wish Craft wasn't there. If

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Speaker 2: Hunter Henry at eighteen too boring, not real exciting, cole comet.

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Speaker 2: I want nothing to do with him anymore. Yeah, they

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Speaker 3: Be three receivers, and Everett might be a better receiver

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Speaker 2: to throw. He does hit the tight ends down close. No,

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Speaker 2: he's not a bad player. I just don't think he can.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to see. By the way, this is just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you only have twelve yards to operate

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Speaker 2: After Conkland, you have Kate Oughten. Yeah, no offense at

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Speaker 2: twenty two May people seem to be all gung ho

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Speaker 2: Juwan Johnson at twenty three. I think he's hurt too.

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Speaker 2: He's back now. Yeah, it was early in camp. Isaiah

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Speaker 3: We talked about him. I think anywhere else I would

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Speaker 2: Chig On Kwonkwo at twenty five.

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Speaker 3: I was in on him last year. I would probably

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Speaker 2: Uh Ben Sinnet at twenty six. He's going to rotate

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Speaker 3: They'll move them around and the dots in trade probably

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike is sick. He at twenty seven. They never end. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: essentially just another receiver. That's a weird signing for me.

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Speaker 3: They didn't mention my guy. John news Smith's the starting

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Speaker 2: That absolutely was. I can't believe he's all the way

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Speaker 2: I mean, David, look what the Dolphins did. They extended

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Speaker 2: go sign a bad contract for Odell and you draft

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Speaker 2: too tight or two receivers like they they know that

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Speaker 2: It might be Jonas Smith. Yeah, I'm with you. I

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Speaker 2: think that's just fast. He fits their profile. I mean again,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you had him in Tennessee, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's good with the ball in his hands,

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Speaker 3: your stride. I think he's like the best sleeper in

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's quite I got him for like nothing in

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Speaker 2: every one of my dynasty league's in the last month.

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Speaker 2: Just throwing Jonny Smith a good deal, all right, he

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Speaker 2: there you go, sign me up. Yeah. After that, there's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think almost all twelve teams will be happy

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Speaker 2: Yeah, at least they start and then that's a position.

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Speaker 2: However that guys tend to get nicked up because you're

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Speaker 3: I probably won't invest heavy in them, though, but I

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Speaker 3: and Kincaid's still sitting there, and then I might pull

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. The interesting thing here

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Speaker 3: Keep it only drafting one tight ends not a terrible idea.

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Speaker 2: You can you can do that, yeah, with those kind

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Speaker 2: But some other guys Kyle, Pittston and Kate are both twelve.

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Speaker 2: B just no going into that. If you only draft

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Speaker 2: looking at the waiver wire that week. Yeah. Yeah, twelve,

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Speaker 2: you might need to win one. That's usable. Yeah, you're

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Speaker 3: I like the group overall, though, Yeah, it's much better

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and only two of them really hit, you know, right,

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Speaker 2: for the Fantasy Football Focus. He is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lelly. You're listening to the Drive here

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Speaker 2: And we are back. I'm Dale LOLLI he is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. This is to drive on the Steelers Audio

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Speaker 2: Network and Matt looking here. Pro Football Focus has come

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Speaker 2: out with their top ten offensive and defensive coordinators heading

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Speaker 2: into the postseason, and so I thought we'd go through these.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not easy. I would want to do those rankings.

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Speaker 3: You don't know what goes on behind the scenes, yea,

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Speaker 2: So do they count like Andy Reid? No?

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Speaker 3: Okay, the play callers, I know, but he's play caller.

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Speaker 3: I understand that, gotcha?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Uh So at ten in the offensive coordinator list,

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Speaker 3: both sides of the ball. They're a pretty well coached team,

434
00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,359
Speaker 3: and now the offense has weapons weapons. I mean, I

435
00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,760
Speaker 3: think I mentioned this in our fantasy segment last yesterday.

436
00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,320
Speaker 3: I expect shootouts in Arizona. They don't have any good

437
00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,600
Speaker 3: defensive players. They can seam it up all they want.

438
00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,919
Speaker 2: You're not going to say their defensive coordinat in the

439
00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,440
Speaker 2: top ten here, Number nine is Greg Roman with the Chargers.

440
00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,080
Speaker 3: He's a certain style, you know, like he kind of

441
00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,800
Speaker 3: wore out his welcome in Baltimore'll.

442
00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,240
Speaker 2: Be interesting to see how he fits with Herbert.

443
00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an odd fit for sure. It's a lot

444
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,440
Speaker 3: different than Lamar obviously, But I guess I said that wrong.

445
00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,560
Speaker 3: If he if he wore out his welcome in Baltimore,

446
00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,840
Speaker 3: a Harball brother wouldn't have hired him. I mean he's

447
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,240
Speaker 3: still buddies with the Harbor.

448
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,800
Speaker 2: Yeah right. Eight is Ken Dorsey with the Browns. They

449
00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 2: have fired last year. He fired last year and he's

450
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,360
Speaker 2: not even going to be necessarily the play calling. Yeah,

451
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,880
Speaker 2: the last of the ones we mentioned. Yeah, I don't

452
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,359
Speaker 2: I don't know that he belongs on this list.

453
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 3: I mean those Bills offenses when he got let go,

454
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,440
Speaker 3: they were like the top five offense in the league.

455
00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,840
Speaker 3: But they also Josh Allen. Yeah, you know it's kind

456
00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,480
Speaker 3: of important. Yeah, I don't think it'd be my top ten.

457
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,840
Speaker 2: Seven is Joe Brady with the Bills.

458
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,280
Speaker 3: They did do a lot of different stuff and it

459
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,720
Speaker 3: was successful, but I wonder can you do it another year?

460
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:32,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

461
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 3: I mean like they featured Kincage more and yeah, and

462
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,040
Speaker 3: didn't get the ball to Diggs as much, ran the

463
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:37,800
Speaker 3: ball a little more.

464
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 2: We'll see. Six is Shane Waldron with the Bears. Oh,

465
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Speaker 2: I don't think Seahawks fans would agree with you, and

466
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,399
Speaker 2: I don't think they would either. No, I mean he

467
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:48,879
Speaker 2: were not.

468
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 3: He was not particularly popular with the Seahawks last year.

469
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, five.

470
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,680
Speaker 3: I mean the problem is you can't catch Shanahan and

471
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:57,920
Speaker 3: McVeigh and Reed.

472
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Speaker 2: You know, ten, it's hard to come up with five.

473
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 2: Is Arthur Smith with the Steelers, So he better be

474
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 2: on the list. I mean he's given some of these

475
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 2: other guys on that. Oh yeah, I take him over

476
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,359
Speaker 2: everyone listing. Yeah, and he said, look, people in Atlanta

477
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 2: are going to complain about that, and they're going to

478
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:14,639
Speaker 2: say this, and they're going to say that, but you

479
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,640
Speaker 2: forget his positive work as an offensive coordinator in Tennessee.

480
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 2: Quarterbacks in Atlanta either he had none none. He said.

481
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,160
Speaker 2: When he was in Tennessee, he got the best out

482
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,959
Speaker 2: of Ryan Tannehill, whose only seasons with the PFF grades

483
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 2: over ninety came when Smith was his offensive coordinator.

484
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,640
Speaker 3: I know PFF grades aren't everything, but there was two

485
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 3: years in a row Tannehill was second in PFF grades

486
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,920
Speaker 3: amongst all quarterbacks after they trade a fifth round pick

487
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 3: for him.

488
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,160
Speaker 2: During those two seasons, the Titans offense generated the fourth

489
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 2: most EPA per play behind only the Chiefs, the Chiefs, Ravens,

490
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 2: and Packers, all who had franchise quarterbacks. So this is

491
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 2: Rogers in his prime and right exactly. That's why I'm

492
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 2: willing to give the offense in the preseason a bit

493
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 2: of a pass, because they're really not doing any of

494
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,120
Speaker 2: that stuff, right right, right, yeah, no, once you I've

495
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,679
Speaker 2: seen it work in practice. I've seen it work a

496
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 2: lot in practice.

497
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 3: And I've seen a lot of stuff in practice that

498
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 3: I haven't seen again, it's right right.

499
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,919
Speaker 2: Right at four. Yeah, I disagree with this one. Kellen

500
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 2: Moore at the Eagles, No, me too. I think he's

501
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 2: he's the most overrated guy in the end. Whoever his

502
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,360
Speaker 2: agent or hype guy is is what I know who

503
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 2: it is is Troy Aikman. Yeah, it's all these Romo Johnston, Yeah, Romo, Kellen.

504
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 3: Moore, Cowboy, former Cowboy quarterback.

505
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:29,880
Speaker 2: They're so good. Why is he on his third team

506
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 2: in three years?

507
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 3: He was Romo's backup, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not

508
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 3: old enough to be Akmans.

509
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 2: He's on his third team as a coordinator in the

510
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 2: last three years. Now. He keeps getting jobs. I don't

511
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 2: think he's terrible at his job.

512
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 3: I must say that he shouldn't be one of the

513
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 3: thirty two coordinators. But number four, yeah that's all.

514
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 2: Uh. Number three Bobby Slowick with the Texans.

515
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, only do it one year though, but yeah, I

516
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 3: mean really impressive year with a rookie quarterback. Looks like

517
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 3: a special player. But I mean he's direct Shanahan disciple

518
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,439
Speaker 3: to is Todd Monkin with the Ravens were ready to

519
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 3: go there yet, no about having pretty high I don't

520
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 3: think their offense was particularly explosive last year. I don't know, efficient,

521
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 3: efficient kind of reinventing things too. I mean it's a

522
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 3: lot different than the guy before him, who we just

523
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,479
Speaker 3: talked about Chargers coordinator.

524
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 2: Roman one year.

525
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 3: I mean, I know he was a coordinator before that

526
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 3: with the Browns, he'd be in my top ten.

527
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 2: I mean he's over like Brady and Dorsey and those guys. Yeah,

528
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 2: and then number one is Ben Johnson. Yeah sure. I

529
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 2: mean I think if you're not going to include the

530
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 2: head coaches into this, right, you know, the Andy Reids

531
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 2: and guys like that, I get it.

532
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he turned on headut jobs. He's done

533
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 3: great things for the Lions offense. That is a defensive

534
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 3: head coach. I know he's a tight end, but at heart,

535
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 3: Campbell's a defensive tight head coach.

536
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 2: The defensive coordinators are top ten list is a little

537
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 2: bit different in that you don't have as many head

538
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 2: coaches now the Toper list to make Yeah, these guys,

539
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 2: actually most of the all of these guys probably call

540
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 2: their plays. Oh, I would think so, yeah, you know

541
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 2: some of the like again, I don't I don't know

542
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 2: that Dorsey and Cleveland is going to be the play called.

543
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 2: I don't think. Yeah, right, I mean that's that was

544
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 2: always the argument that I had when people would talk

545
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 2: about Eric b Enemy right right, and then he was

546
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: in Washington. It was he was play caller in Washington

547
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: and did it didn't work?

548
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 3: That would worry me from the Titans, you know, you

549
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 3: hire Callahan. He didn't even call plays with the Bengals.

550
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and now he's going to call plays

551
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: as the hand the head guy. Yeah yeah right. Uh.

552
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 2: Number ten in terms of defensive coordinators, Arrell Austin.

553
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 3: With the Steelers never gets the credit, never, But he's

554
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 3: been putting good defenses out there for a pretty long

555
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 3: stretch now, Yeah, and it definitely hurts him that he

556
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 3: is a defensive minded, highly successful head coach to just

557
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 3: in the world. I bet there's people don't know who

558
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 3: Steel defense coordinator is. Not our listeners, but I mean,

559
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 3: like if this was shows in San Diego right now

560
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 3: or whatever.

561
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, uh Number nine Patrick Graham with the Raiders.

562
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 3: He is a decent track record. I know he's very

563
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 3: well respected.

564
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. Eight is Mike Zimmer with the Cowboys.

565
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 3: Did some really interesting stuff with Minnesota with a lot

566
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,719
Speaker 3: of like mugging up the a gaps with the He's aggressive,

567
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 3: he's got a good mind style. Yeah, he's got a

568
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 3: certain style too. I think he'll do good things with Dallas.

569
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 2: Uh seven Gus Bradley. This is the interesting thing here

570
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 2: is you see a lot of guys who are former

571
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 2: head coaches defensive coordinators because they don't necessarily get that

572
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: second chance, right right.

573
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 3: It's not like he developed a quarterback or whatever. I mean,

574
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 3: Bradley's had some good defenses, but it's a little too

575
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 3: Seattle cover three still for.

576
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 2: Me, you know. Yeah. Uh six is a hero of

577
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: ever ro with the Panthers. He's always on these lists.

578
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: People love them, and I don't see I don't see

579
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 2: what I don't see the results. I don't see the results, right,

580
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 2: I mean he has a great reputation. Everyone talks about

581
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: how smart he is, Okay, I mean and now he's

582
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: worst players. Yeah. I mean it's not gonna be a

583
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: top ten defense, no promise you that. No, nothing close.

584
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 2: And I don't know if he belongs that list for

585
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 2: a lot not. Yeah. Five is a guy who gets

586
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 2: a lot of credit. And quite frankly, the defense was

587
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: awful last year Santa Umo was the Bengals.

588
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have no problem with that a year ago.

589
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maybe even higher. They got a lot

590
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 2: out of I don't think they have great talent either.

591
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: I think they don't have a lot of holes. I

592
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: think it's.

593
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: A good talent in terms of defense.

594
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: Paid a lot. They paid a lot of money though

595
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 2: for this defense is a few years ago, and now

596
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 2: it's gotten worse.

597
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 3: Like they don't have a Micah Parsons. Who's my point?

598
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 3: You know, that's just a straw that starts a drink.

599
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 3: And I think that reflects well on them. They were

600
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 3: a bad defense last year. Yeah, and they weren't run

601
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 3: at will yeah, and really bad tackling and they didn't

602
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 3: wasn't like they were crushed by injuries.

603
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, other than the reader injuries. I mean there was

604
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: a couple, but they weren't destroyed by injuries. Uh. Four

605
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: Brian Floores with the Vikings.

606
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 3: I agree, I agree, I mean really aggressive. I mean

607
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 3: he does different things too, but every step of the

608
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 3: way he's been quite good.

609
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 2: Did you get another chance as a head coach?

610
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 3: Not with a lawsuit pending against one of the.

611
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: Right Yeah, are going to look at that and go,

612
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, although a team like I could see

613
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 2: a team like the Raiders, the Raiders say Al Davis

614
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: don't right. In fact, that would make them want to

615
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: high yeah, and say if al Davis was live, he'd

616
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 2: be a head guys to speak. Uh. Three is Jim

617
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: Schwartz with the Browns.

618
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got a really good reputation too, and he

619
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 3: has good players, but he's done good things everywhere. Very aggressive,

620
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: they're very aggressive. Why nine, you know, play the run

621
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 3: on the way. The quarterback players love playing for him.

622
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 2: Two is Vic Fangio with the Eagles.

623
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 3: Okay, there was a big trend that everyone was starting

624
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 3: to mimic his stuff.

625
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: I think that's starting to fade a little bit.

626
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 3: Like he's not innovative anymore, you know what I mean,

627
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 3: So he might have to have another chapter, and he's

628
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 3: pretty far into the book to have another chapter him.

629
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: He's an older guy, yeah.

630
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 3: But really well respected, Like he would be a potential

631
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 3: assistant coach hall of famer, you know, over his career.

632
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 2: This has to be Spagnola's number one is Steve Spagnola,

633
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: Like to me, he should go to the Hall of Fame.

634
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 2: I mean, he'd big part of the Chiefs dynasty before

635
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 2: the lead does not dabble with the defense, doesn't even

636
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: touch it, beauty of it.

637
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 3: I mean, like Spags do your own stuff. Yeah, we're

638
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 3: gonna go four and fourth and whatever and put you

639
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 3: in bad situations.

640
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: You'll be all right, you know, you'll be fine. You'll

641
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: be fine. Interesting to note, I think he's like Lebow

642
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 2: to me. On the defensive side of things. Here, three

643
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 2: of the AFC North teams are represented.

644
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 3: And Baltimore would have been.

645
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: Baltimore is the one that's not because they lost because

646
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: they lost basically their entire defensive staffs. Yeah.

647
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and say if this was a year ago, they

648
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: might be four. Yeah, I mean could potentially the best

649
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 3: one left. I mean he's the only became a head guy. Yeah,

650
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Speaker 3: so there are definitely good defenses and the well coached division.

651
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Speaker 2: It really is. And we'll get more into that in

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Speaker 2: the next segment. Here, and the Steelers coming in with

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Speaker 2: both of their coordinators in the top ten on this list.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's interesting. I think I know where

655
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Speaker 3: you're going, and I'll save my comments for that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's get to a break here. He

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening

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Speaker 2: to the Drive here on Steelers Audio Network when we

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Speaker 2: come back. ESPN has done a little different ranking, ranking

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Speaker 2: each of the league's teams via their staff, their entire staff,

661
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Speaker 2: head coach and assistant coordinatorstors. Yeah, assistant tight end coaches.

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Speaker 2: But right, you see where the Steelers come in on

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Speaker 2: that one. Yep, yep. Right after this.

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Speaker 1: List is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Nation Radio, and we're back. I'm Dale LOLLI he is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and Matt I alluded to. ESPN has

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Speaker 2: ranked all thirty two NFL teams coaching staffs slash coordinators.

670
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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty four, Benjamin Slik did this. Yeah, he'd

671
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Speaker 2: Ben does good work, and he said, ranking all thirty

672
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Speaker 2: two coaching staffs is an impossible exercise. At least when

673
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Speaker 2: we were out players, we have exact metrics by which

674
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Speaker 2: degrade them. With coaches, we have win loss record, and

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00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: that's not even a good barometer for coaching talent.

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Speaker 3: And how do you adjudge Canalis who's never been a

677
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: head coach? Yeah, I mean some of those dudes at least,

678
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Speaker 3: and the coaching hires, about half of them were Harbaugh's

679
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 3: and former head coaches at least, but someone's never done it.

680
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Speaker 3: I don't know how you'd have to have to put

681
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Speaker 3: him at the bottom.

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Speaker 2: So at thirty two he has the Raiders with Antonio Pierce,

683
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 2: Luke Getsy is the OC and patrio'valle is the DC.

684
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: I get it. I really worry about Pierce. You can't

685
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 2: put to him behind guys though, who haven't coached.

686
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 3: To your point, yeah, exactly, I mean, at least he

687
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: has some experience, but he hasn't been a coach very long.

688
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: Their DC was on the list last second. Yeah, you

689
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. The DC is gets he's at

690
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: least done it before.

691
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Luke didn't do great with Chicago. I mean,

692
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 3: and maybe that's fields me, it's him. Maybe it's a

693
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 3: bad situation. Who knows, but that seems a little rough

694
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Speaker 3: to be thirty two with teams that don't have experience

695
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Speaker 3: at all at head coach.

696
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty one Dan Quinn. He has Cliff Kingsbury as

697
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: his offensive coordinator, who didn't make the list. I might

698
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Speaker 2: add all the people in Pittsburgh who wanted Cliff Kingsbury.

699
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Speaker 2: Young Cliff kings They gotta get young, and I'd have

700
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: been really disappointed with that higher. Arthur Smith is three

701
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 2: years younger than Cliff Brick and Kling Kingsbury. I know

702
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 2: he looks like that's not the case, doesn't.

703
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're already talking about like McLaurin has only lined

704
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 3: up at left receiver or right.

705
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: So all they do, that's all they do. It's very static.

706
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: It's not how the league works anymore. Yeah, Joey Witt

707
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: Junior is the defensive coordinator. Okay, don't know a thing

708
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: about him. I knows Dad, Bobby Witt. Uh thirty the

709
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: New England Patriots. They should be in my eyes, thirty

710
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 2: two total unknowns. Rod Mayo has been an insistent coach

711
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 2: for four years. Say was It's kind of him and

712
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: Peerce have not been coach as long. Alex van Pelt

713
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: is the offensive coordinator. The defensive coordator coordinator is DeMarcus Covington.

714
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: Who I know nothing about. Yeah, so Van Pelt's a

715
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 3: former pit quarterback. Great, you know, but he's been a

716
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 3: coordinator for one hundred years and I've never heard him.

717
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: As a head coaching candidate. Never.

718
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Speaker 3: I mean, if you're an offensive coordinator successful, you get sniffs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Twenty nine is the Saints with Dennis Allen, Clint Kubiak,

720
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Speaker 2: another guy that that Steeler fans wanted. I get them

721
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: one in Joe Woods. Okay.

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Speaker 3: I heard someone saying that when and I heard him

723
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 3: talk about it, I thought you might be right. This

724
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 3: might be the first coaching firing of the year. Don't

725
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 3: you think that that whole thing is kind of worn out?

726
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 3: He seems like a defensive coordinator. The Sean Payton era

727
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 3: is gone. He was Sean Payton's right hand man. Defense

728
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 3: is fine, but they just never go anywhere.

729
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, I don't think they're gonna be good

730
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: this year. No, I think they're seven or eight wins,

731
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: you know. Uh, twenty eight, these guys should be lower

732
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: than twenty eight The Tennessee Titans with Brian Callahans. Nick

733
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: Holtz is the offensive coording Denard Wilson is the DC. Yeah,

734
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: none of them have ever done it. They've never done

735
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: their jobs. Right, I don't know how you pick them.

736
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: They would be last for me.

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00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 3: Probably done it. Yeah, they might be great, but I

738
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 3: don't know how you rank them. My heead of guys

739
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 3: have done it. Another interesting one I heard just heard

740
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: this the other day. Almost all of Seattle's staff has.

741
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: Never done it. Yeah.

742
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 3: I mean they're all promising and YadA, YadA, but they're

743
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 3: all extremely young and they've not Their resumes are really light.

744
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 3: They should be up coming up soon.

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00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: Twenty seven is the Carolina Panthers with Dave Canalis at

746
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: head coach, Brian brad Idzick as the OC, and Varro

747
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: as the DC.

748
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Speaker 3: Okay, I mean again, first time head coach, you'd be low.

749
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Twenty six the Seahawks with like McDonald, Ryan Grubb

750
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: and Aiden thirty as the DC. So I gotta kick

751
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: out this. Let's talking about Seattle today.

752
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: A lot of like fantasy people are like, look at

753
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 3: what Ryan Grubb did with Washington. They had three receivers

754
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 3: that were all, you know, highly drafted, super productive, so

755
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 3: they'll support that in the NFL. And I'm like, they

756
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 3: had a first round left tackle, a second round right tackle,

757
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 3: the eighth overall pick at quarterback, three NFL receivers, including

758
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 3: one that went in the top ten. And you're not

759
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: playing UCLA in Arizona State.

760
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: Washington State is not on the schedule right And people

761
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 2: don't think about this, like designing a play on an

762
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: NFL field with the hash marks. The landmarks isn't the same.

763
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: It isn't the same. Twenty five the Chicago Bears. It's

764
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Speaker 2: another team that Semee Waldron was on that OC.

765
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Speaker 3: List, but most people don't think Shane Wader should be

766
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 3: on that list.

767
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: Eberflus, Seane Waldron, defensive coordinators, Eric Washington.

768
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 3: I don't think about Washington, but if Eberflus doesn't win

769
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 3: this year, I would be worried if iver.

770
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for is the Giants, Brian Daball, the OC

771
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: is Mike Kafka, the DC is Shane Bowen. Probably have

772
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: them a little higher. They're on very good players. Yeah,

773
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: you know is what it is. Twenty three the Denver Broncos,

774
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: Sean Payton, Joe Lombardi, the OC Vance, Joseph the DC.

775
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: They'll either be higher or lower. Yeah, you know what

776
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: I mean. He finally has his guy. He inherited Russell Wilson.

777
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 2: Is the thing though with with Peyton. Somebody asked me

778
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: this today. I was talking to somebody who doesn't work

779
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 2: in the business or anything, and we were talking. Theyre

780
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: asked me questions about Russell Wilson. Why didn't it work

781
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: out in Denver. I'm like, because he wasn't because Sean

782
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 2: Payton has to play his style football. Yeah, he's not

783
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 2: a square peg. He's not a coach who adjust to

784
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 2: what he has. No, No, we got to run my system.

785
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: And that is the biggest coaching mistake that is made

786
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 2: on a consistent basis. Crazy, you fall in love with

787
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 2: my system, my systems while we win. No, you're you

788
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: won because you had Brees right right right? You know.

789
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 3: Agree, his system is revered and it's studied, and he's

790
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,959
Speaker 3: considered a great offensive mind.

791
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 2: And I lost.

792
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: That's the head coach. But you can't just be a

793
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 3: round hole and not you know, square pegs have to

794
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 3: fit too, you know.

795
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I'm not. I'm not. Some of the

796
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 2: shine has come off for me on Sean Payton based

797
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 2: on what I've seen.

798
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 3: And this is unfair, but I think he's like the

799
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 3: highest paid head coach in the league. I mean, I

800
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 3: know Denver's got a ton of money. So I'm wondering, like,

801
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 3: did I come out of retirement just to get a

802
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 3: nice paycheck?

803
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

804
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: Draft by quarterback doesn't work out, just retire, Yeah, you know,

805
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 3: if they're terrible's here, just quit?

806
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: Who Cares? Twenty two is Tampa Bay with Todd Bowles

807
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 2: as the head coach. Liam Cohen is the OC and

808
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 2: Bowles is basically the DC, and I think he's better

809
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 2: at the DC than he is a HC. Yeah. The

810
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 2: Falcons at twenty one with Raheem Morris, Zach Robinson and

811
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: Jimmy Lake as the DC.

812
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 3: I remember he Morris fan. I'm kind of rooting for him. Yeah,

813
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 3: and I was highly interested in Zach Robinson as he

814
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 3: was rumored for Steeler.

815
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: John twenty is Arizona. I've kicked their coverage. Jonathan Gannon,

816
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 2: Drew Petsing, who was on that list, and the DC

817
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: is Nick Rollis.

818
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean they weren't revered, but they out kicked

819
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 3: their coverage last year.

820
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: Nineteen. The Jets, they would I don't know what the thing,

821
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: they would be much lower on my list. It's Robert

822
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: Sala Nathaniel Hackett, who has shown he can't hack it right.

823
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 2: And then the defensive coordinator is jeff Oldbritch.

824
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: I think Sala called which he's mostly the DC. I

825
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 3: don't know what to think of him as a head coach.

826
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 3: I tend to think they underachieve. They always have a

827
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 3: good defense. Yeah, I think he might be a coordinator.

828
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 3: I don't know that Hackett is.

829
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: That's I don't think so. Aaron Rodgers the offense coordinator. Yeah.

830
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: At eighteen are the Jaguars Doug Peterson their average, The

831
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: offensive coordinators Press Taylor. The defensive coordinator is Ryan Nielsen. Okay.

832
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 3: Again, I think they're right in the Moller road, which

833
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: is where they should be.

834
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: At seventeen. The Chargers with Jim Harbaugh, Greg Roman is

835
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 2: the OC. Jesse Mintor is the d C.

836
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 3: Mentor is another one of these Raven Harbaugh Michigan guys.

837
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 3: That I mean he's his turn. Now I would have

838
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 3: them higher. I mean, Harbaugh has done some really good things.

839
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 3: I think one of our favorite bets is betting Chargers

840
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: under window. But that doesn't mean he's not a really

841
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 3: good head coach.

842
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 2: At sixteen are the Cowboys with Mike McCarthy. Brian Schottenheimer

843
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: is the OC, Mike Zimmer is the DC. Zimmer adds

844
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 2: something to bring short of the table. Yeah. McCarthy's got

845
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 2: a really good winning percentage.

846
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he never gets thrown around with like

847
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 3: Tomlin and Harbaugh and guys his age that have, you know,

848
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 3: coached similar amount of games. I don't know that they should,

849
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 3: but he's often maligned for his winning person considering his

850
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 3: winning percentage, you know.

851
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean one one super Bowl that's album.

852
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 3: It Aaron Rodgers, Rogers, right, Scott. I know he's had

853
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 3: some nice situations.

854
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: Fifteen is the Eagles, which you wouldn't think because the

855
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: Eagles have both of their coordinators were in the top

856
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: ten list we just did from Pro Football Focus.

857
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: But they're both new because it was such a disaster

858
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: last year.

859
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nick Sirianni with Kellam Moore and Vic Fangio. I

860
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: think Sirianni's on the hot seat. He definitely is. Yeah. Yeah.

861
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: Fourteen is Cincinnati was Zach Taylor, Dan Pitcher as the

862
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: OC and lou Onnarumo as the DC. Taylor is the

863
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator there. Yeah, plays.

864
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 3: I really like what they did when Browning got in there,

865
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 3: and I think the Taylors come a long way as

866
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 3: a head coach. I used to just say he became

867
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 3: a really good head coach when they drafted Joe Burrow.

868
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: Once he got Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase.

869
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, a genius. He became a really good head coach.

870
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 3: But I like what he's done lately. I think he's

871
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 3: gotten better.

872
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: At thirteen, the Browns good Stefanski, Ken Dorsey, Jim Schwartz.

873
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 3: Coach of the Year is not a real accurate Yeah,

874
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 3: bella chick a chucking o'll have you know, like some

875
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 3: of the great coaches don't get that.

876
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just did not deserve that. Isn't deserved it

877
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 2: either year. No, really right, I mean in the grand

878
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 2: scheme of.

879
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 3: Things, their defense coordinators high on my list. Yeah, we've

880
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 3: just mentioned him too.

881
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 2: Twelve is Buffalo with Sean McDermott, Joe Brady, Bobby Babbage

882
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: the DC. It's another one. I mean he's got a

883
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: really good winning percentage.

884
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Josh Allen helps, but I mean he's in that

885
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 3: world where kind of like Levy, like got really close

886
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 3: a lot. If you've got one bounce here and there,

887
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,959
Speaker 3: and maybe you have a ring in your fifth on.

888
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: This list, Yeah, but you didn't. You haven't gotten over that, right,

889
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 2: and you might not. Eleven are the Colts with Shane Steiken,

890
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 2: Jim Bob Cooter the best name in football, and Gus

891
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 2: Bradley is a DC.

892
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 3: I'm okay with that, and I think Sichen's gotten a

893
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 3: lot out of what he's been dealt. That might be

894
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 3: a little high, but it's pretty strong.

895
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: Strong. Ten is the Vikings with who I'm a fan

896
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: of his, Kevin O. Connell. Wes Phillips is the Occonnell

897
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: and Flora.

898
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: That's a pretty good combo. Yeah, yeah, they would be in.

899
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: My top ten. At nine the Miami Dolphins Mike McDaniel,

900
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: he's the O C. Frank Smith is the de facto OC,

901
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: and then her name only, I should say, and then

902
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 2: Anthony Weaver is the defensive coordinator. We don't think about it.

903
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 2: He's so innovative in such a fun offensive mind. But

904
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 2: that's different than being a head guy. You know, like

905
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 2: when in December, right, you know what I mean, when

906
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 2: it matters, Yeah, when when it's cold out and it's

907
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: windy and you're not on a fast track. And I

908
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 2: don't think you can give the defense coordinator much credit yet. No,

909
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 2: I don't think you can give him any credits, right, right,

910
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 2: he's total undone it, right, So that's a one man

911
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: operation in terms of these rankings. At eight is Green

912
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: Bay with Mile Lafloor, Adam Stenovich the OC and a

913
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: new defensive coordinator Jeff Halfley.

914
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a head coach at BC. I remember

915
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 3: when Jeff Hafley was actually a GA at Ohio State.

916
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: When I was a GA at pitt We had a

917
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 3: beverage or two at Pitts passing camps. He went further

918
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 3: in life than me.

919
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: Everybody with me. This is about as low as it goes.

920
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 3: Bell Lafloor post Rogers has gained a lot of credit

921
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: for me. I mean, they're they've been competitive every step

922
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 3: of the way, and I think he's a good coach.

923
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. At seven, the Pittsburgh Steelers, Yeah, I saw that.

924
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin, Arthur Smith, Terra Austin. Now Arthur Smith and

925
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: Tarot Austin were both on that assistant coach list. Different site,

926
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 2: but different website. Right, But you give it tom and

927
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: they give it Tomlin a ton of credit. So how's he?

928
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 2: How's this group seven?

929
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 3: I mean, we could figure out who the other six are,

930
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 3: and they're all formidable, don't get me wrong, but I

931
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 3: would have them higher.

932
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

933
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 3: I mean, if you think the coordinators are both assets,

934
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 3: if they're both upper half of the league, your head

935
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 3: guy's pretty proven. Yeah right, I mean I've said this

936
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 3: a million times in the last month. If you give

937
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 3: him a top ten quarterback, they compete for Super Bowls.

938
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 3: If you give him a bottom ten quarterback, they're five

939
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 3: hundred or better. Yeah, that's pretty good.

940
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: It's pretty good. Yeah, and there's a lot of proof.

941
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 2: He closes up by saying, this is a strong staff. Well,

942
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: obviously they're seven. Yeah. So yeah, no one expected me seventeen. No, no,

943
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: so but the way some Steeler fans talk, no, I

944
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 2: gotta fire that guy. You gotta fire them all. Yeah,

945
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: it's clear it's just number seven on this list, and

946
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: we both think it might be a little too long

947
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: right right right.

948
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 3: If they were four on here, I wouldn't have beat it, not.

949
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 2: Not a bit, not a bit. Six is Houston with

950
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: the Meco Ryans, Bobby Slok Met Burke.

951
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: I can't put them that high yet. Yeah, they've done

952
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 3: it one year, one year, and it was really impressive.

953
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 3: And I do think the offense coordinator is very real

954
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 3: and his play calling and all that's great. But a

955
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 3: one year head coach, let's see how they deal with success.

956
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, they caught everybody by surprise. Now you're the hunted.

957
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 3: I mean, keep the Steelers out of it. Like I'm

958
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 3: putting the floor in his staff over them. It seemed

959
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: more Yeah.

960
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh five of the Baltimore Ravens with Harbaugh, Todd Monkin,

961
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 2: Zach Orr. Zach Worr is a complete unknown. Yeah. The

962
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: defensive staff doesn't have any juice. No team got hit

963
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 2: harder right on the defensive staff with really any staff

964
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: right right right? Offensive war Dalals division got hit hard. Yeah,

965
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: except the Steelers got approved. So I don't know. I

966
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: don't know.

967
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 3: Tomlin versus Harwall. We can argue all day long. Yeah,

968
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 3: give me the guy we got.

969
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: I do know the guy. Which team has won seven

970
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 2: to the last eight matchups exactly right. And I know

971
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: who has more rings and all that stuff too. Yeah.

972
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 2: Uh four San Francisco with Kyle Shanahan, no OC and

973
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 2: Nick Sorenson.

974
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 3: I don't know enough about their defense coordinator, but they

975
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 3: always have a good defense.

976
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. I think last year.

977
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they've drafted well, I'm Warner and Bosa

978
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: help obviously. Yeah. And would him getting a ring this

979
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 3: year put him one or two? I don't think. I mean,

980
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 3: I think he's kind of getting credit for something he

981
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: hasn't quite done yet.

982
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I know, well, he's gotten there.

983
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: We also got there with Atlanta. Yeah, it was a

984
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: big reason when they lost that game. I mean, he's

985
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: certainly in the top five ish. Yeah, but he is

986
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: a real niche I mean he's offense offense offense. Three

987
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: the Rams Sean McVay, Michaelaflor, Chris Shula the defensive coordinator.

988
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 3: Like, if you ask me who am I hiring McVay

989
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 3: or Shanahan, I would hire mcvaigh. I think he's more adaptive.

990
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 3: I think he's a better communicator. I think he's a

991
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: better head guy.

992
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, Yeah, I agree to is Detroit with

993
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell, Ben Johnson, Aaron Glenn. They somehow brought to

994
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: kept that group together. I don't know if they're number

995
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: two though.

996
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 3: I can't put him over Harbaugh and Tomlin and Guy.

997
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 3: I mean it's still they've been good for one year.

998
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, one year.

999
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 3: He's real fun to root for and they biteknee caps

1000
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 3: and he's big and strong, and I like their offensive coordinator.

1001
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 3: And the DC's doing well too. They also have really

1002
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 3: good players and they've been good for one year. Yeah,

1003
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 3: so he would be eighth for me.

1004
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they had a bad year this year, right,

1005
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: what if they win ten games? That wouldna be like

1006
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 2: he's terrible. We're let's say things go realier Ryan in

1007
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: one six they could all get fired. Yeah yea, yeah, yeah,

1008
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 2: you know that's just the reality is impressive. But he

1009
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: would not be two. And then one is Kansas City, sure,

1010
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: and a staff that includes Matt Nagy is number one

1011
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: too much though, well he's not in charge of anything,

1012
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: but right, he'll get another head coaching, you think chance,

1013
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: because well he's learned from Andy Reid. Now yeah, maybe

1014
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: his first go around with so bad again. You know

1015
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 2: when people talk about this assistant coach stuff. Eric b

1016
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 2: enemy Yeah, yeah, yeah, people wanted Eric Bienemy here in Pittsburgh.

1017
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: It didn't look so great last year in Washington when

1018
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 2: he actually got the call the place, it was brutal

1019
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 2: without Mahomes, without Mahomes, right right, right. You know, sometimes

1020
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 2: you have to factor those things into this, and I

1021
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: think when you look at what Tomlin has done, yeah,

1022
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 2: you should factor in the act that really he hasn't

1023
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: had a top level.

1024
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 3: Quarterback in the last five years, right right, right, and

1025
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 3: you're still winning. I think I think that's even in

1026
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 3: the write up, I read only the Steelers thing, but

1027
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 3: it's been a bottom five quarterback room for half a decade.

1028
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they get average quarterback play this year, yeah average, Right,

1029
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: we're not talking. I'm not talking. I don't want you

1030
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 2: give me Mason Rudolph level play from last year. What

1031
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 2: he did in those last three games, Steels is gonna

1032
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: win a lot of football games this year. Yeah.

1033
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 3: I mean they probably beat Arizona in New England with Yeah,

1034
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 3: that's the only reason they lost those games.

1035
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: But I'm just throwing out two wins that they could

1036
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 2: have had, should have had Trubisky was off. He was

1037
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: really briddling, right, yeah, really brutal. I had had one

1038
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: of the writers from the from New England. He was

1039
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: down the other end of the press box and texted

1040
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: me during during the game after watching another overthrows, is

1041
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: he is Mason Rudolph really that bad that he can't

1042
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 2: play over this guy? Oh you're talking about the killer pick? Yeah,

1043
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 2: that's just pass. No, No, I'm talking about during the game.

1044
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 3: You meant the latest overthrow that went for no.

1045
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, this was during the game last year. I'm like,

1046
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: this is looking.

1047
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 3: All County's a great dude, but I was super shocked

1048
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 3: that Buffalo immediately had to have him back.

1049
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean less Allan loves him.

1050
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 3: I mean then okay, you know, right, but but I

1051
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 3: don't look at him like boy, our backup, We're good.

1052
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 2: Hate. I am willing to admit admit I was wrong

1053
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: about mister Biskey. Yeah.

1054
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 3: I remember that off season. It was Winston, Mariota, and

1055
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 3: Trubisky were all free agents, and Mariota was my third choice.

1056
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 3: But I thought let's go down that route, and.

1057
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 2: Honestly, I think they were better off. I'm not saying

1058
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: they were better off mister Biskey. They're better off drafting

1059
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: a quarterback than taking what was there. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1060
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: and the league has told us that Legas told us

1061
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: that Mariota's Mariota's awful, and Winston can't get a starting

1062
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 2: job anyway. Yeah, there's something holding him back. Yeah. So

1063
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 2: I bet we see him in Cleveland's yere a good chance, Yeah,

1064
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 2: good chance. It'll be fun.

1065
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, good list they were seven, I probably

1066
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 3: would add him four something like that. Yeah, man, it's fair, right, Yeah.

1067
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 3: The Lions at high has bothered me. Yeah, I mean

1068
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 3: they're hot right now, and that's fine, and he's easy

1069
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 3: root for.

1070
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 2: But do it for three or four years. Yeah, then

1071
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 2: come back and tell you do it like Flora's done it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right right post Rogers. Yeah, you know, like Houston

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Speaker 3: and Detroit now everyone's gunning for you. You're still going

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Speaker 3: to win your division going away. Yeah, we'll see.

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Speaker 2: It's a little tougher, Matt. That's going to do it

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Speaker 2: for the show today, all right, do it again tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: We'll do it again tomorrow, we'll be back. We'll we

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Speaker 2: do a little hitting the road for Detroit. Right. Well,

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Speaker 2: preview of the game, what we expect to see there

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Speaker 2: lots of other good stuff. But that's going to do

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Speaker 2: it for our show today. So for my partner Matt Williamson,

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Speaker 2: for Justin Miller here on site keeping us on the air,

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Speaker 2: I'm Dale Lolly. We thank you for listening to this

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Speaker 2: edition of the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network