1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson 3 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: and I'm Holly Fry. We talked about Unearthed all this week. 4 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: We sure did. 5 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: That quote darning tool or maybe not a darning tool 6 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: that was found? 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Son Bendolin. It's very funny. 8 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: And also if you see a picture of it, you 9 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 2: might wonder why anybody described it as like a darning 10 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: tool in the first place, because it does have a 11 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 2: very suggestive visual appearance. I don't know if it looks 12 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: that way from every angle, but from the photos that are, 13 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: you know, accompanying articles about it, it does look very 14 00:00:59,160 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: suggestive to me. 15 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: I was tickled when at the end of the second one, 16 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: the second episode, Uh huh, you read a listener mail 17 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: that mentioned Star Trek, because I had a note in 18 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: my notes that I take as we're talking about what 19 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: might go behind the scenes about Star Trek, which is 20 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: that I just was suddenly thinking about doctor Bones being 21 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: horrified by trepanation. Oh yeah, and how completely like prehistoric 22 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: the idea was. I forget what his exact line is, 23 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: but he saves Chekhov from being trepanned when they're yeah 24 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: back in the twentieth century, and I was. 25 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, nowadays. Trepenation to me brings up two immediate 26 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: associations from literature slash television, and one of them is Outlander. 27 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: There's an episode in Outlander where somebody has a head 28 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: injury and clear wants to save them, and the way 29 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: to save them is like relieving the pressure on their brain, 30 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 2: and she knows what to ask for, which is a triphine, 31 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 2: which is what the tool was called that was used 32 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 2: to make the whole entrepidation. And the other I think 33 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 2: the very first time I ever came across that term 34 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: was reading the His Dark Materials. There's like a reference 35 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: to a skull that's found that has has had a 36 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: hole made in it, or I feel like early on 37 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: in those books. I don't remember if it made it 38 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 2: into the TV show or not, because I think if 39 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 2: it had been, it would have been like one of 40 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 2: the early seasons of the show, which is a while 41 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: back now. 42 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: I don't know where the first place I would have been. 43 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: I feel like I had a either a science or 44 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: a history teacher who had like a ghoulish moment of 45 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: enjoying explaining that to us, while I was sure writhed 46 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: in our desks. 47 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: It's also possible that I learned about it in like 48 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 2: some course that I don't remember now. I increasingly, as 49 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 2: I get older, will realize that like I just have 50 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: no I have no memory at all of some something 51 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 2: that I will discover later. Oh No, I definitely was 52 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 2: there when that happened. I interacted with that thing once 53 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 2: before that. Yes, I'm also gonna pat myself on the 54 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: back for you know, not breaking into any sort of 55 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: song or giggle fits when we talked. 56 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: About Cusco me, oh sure, sure. Emperor's New Groove one 57 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: of my favorite Disney movies. Yeah, yeah. 58 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 2: The thefts from the new Bedford Whaling Museum, whoo are 59 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: just there's a couple of things that when I was 60 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: researching that kind of made me go what. And one 61 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: of them was the thefts from the new Bedford Whaling Museum, 62 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: which I became aware of because a friend of mine 63 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: sent me a link about one of the articles. And 64 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: at that point, like it was some weeks after these 65 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: thefts were discovered, and I was like, what, this whole 66 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: story is just wild. 67 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: It is like wild and just a. 68 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: Lot of different ways. And the fact that apparently multiple 69 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 2: like antique and collectable dealers were like, this piece just 70 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: seems too nice for somebody to just be selling it 71 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 2: to me. So like that, I was very captivated by 72 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: that whole thing. And also I had seen the headlines 73 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 2: about the sword believed to be a replica turning out 74 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: to be real. Like I had seen those headlines, I 75 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 2: had bookmarked them to look at them later, I did 76 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 2: not realize that this was not just like a sword 77 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 2: that somebody had somewhere. It was a sword in the 78 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: collection of the Field Museum. And that was what made 79 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: me get white. Wait this happened that the Field. That 80 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 2: adds a whole new layer of me being fascinated by 81 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: the story. Whoops, yeps. 82 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: I also got a giggle about the heart shaped pendant 83 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: that we talked about. Yeah, that was made of high 84 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: quality materials but not high quality workmanship, and how this 85 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: has led researchers to be like, oh, it may have 86 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: been made for like a situation where it wouldn't be 87 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: seen up close. And I was like, here's what this 88 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: sounds like to me, Okay, And I'm obviously this is 89 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: pure speculation. In my own ding Darnery, somebody's like idle child, 90 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: by which I mean probably an adult child with more 91 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: money than sense, thought that they were gonna make jewelry, 92 00:05:55,200 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: and they bought really nice, expensive crafting supplies. Kind of 93 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: made a piece of joke, like, yeah, that happens all 94 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: the time, now, sure. 95 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: Sure, I'm also like somebody's apprentice took from the wrong cabinet. 96 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: Right, also very possible. These are my head canons of 97 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 1: what really was going on with that. 98 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the head canons that I often have 99 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: when I think I've mentioned this before. Sometimes when I'm 100 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: putting these together, I will find two news releases from 101 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:36,239 Speaker 2: two different universities about the same study. And most likely 102 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 2: it's just that each university has their own PR department 103 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 2: and each university like wants to send out the thing. 104 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: But in my head, I always imagine that some sort 105 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 2: of intense, maybe bitter rivalry toll among the coordinating universities 106 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: and now they're not speaking to each other. I mean, 107 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 2: aways possible, right, that's actually going to come up soon 108 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: in a non unearthed episode, which you know, we'll talk 109 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: more about when we get to that. Which is I 110 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: just I have I've written a whole mental backstory about 111 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: what I think happened, and why there is a discrepancy 112 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: involving somebody's birth year. It is not a real thing. 113 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: It is my own made up fantasy land. I feel 114 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: like that's a thing that we as humans are prone 115 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: to doing, is like filling in the gaps. Oh yeah, 116 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: and that the important thing to remember is that, like 117 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: try not to get mad about the gaps that your 118 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 2: brain filled in when you don't actually know what happened. 119 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: Right. I feel like this could be applied to a 120 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: media literacy course. Yeah, because people think, like especially I mean, 121 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: as you know, I'm a big star Wars nerd, and 122 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: there's always so much speculation about what's going on behind 123 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: the scenes, said Lucasfilm. And it's like usually the for 124 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: any any situation of like seeming corporate intrigue or whatever, 125 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: the explanation is usually really boring. Right, Oh no, they're 126 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: pr people just like lost each other's email, or like 127 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: they just decided they would each do their own or 128 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: But I mean, it's fun to speculate, and it's a 129 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: great way to be creative. But yeah, yeah, as long 130 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,679 Speaker 1: as you're not married to that as an expectation golden. 131 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, uh, I'm still enjoying putting these episodes together. 132 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 2: This Uh, this time was a little bit unusual because 133 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: I put these together while Holly was on vacation, and 134 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 2: so often I will uh. I think there were a 135 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: couple things that I had run into before you had left, 136 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: and I think I had told you, Like the field 137 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 2: was one of the things that I was. 138 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: Like, do this thing happen at the field? 139 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: But a bunch of this I worked on while you 140 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 2: were not there, and so you did not get peppered 141 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: with as many weird things that I stumbled across while 142 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: working on them. 143 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: Okay, cheese, yeah, yeah, milk. I had never been a 144 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: milk drinker. Cheese, We'll eat it by the pound. Yeah, magic. Yeah. 145 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 2: So Happy Friday, everybody. 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