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Speaker 1: Welcome to two percent. I'm your host, Michael Easter. This

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Speaker 1: weekend is UFC Freedom two fifty, the biggest fight in

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Speaker 1: UFC history. It is happening on the White House Lawn

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Speaker 1: of all places. Now, I live in Las Vegas, and

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Speaker 1: the official sport of Las Vegas is UFC. This town

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Speaker 1: is crawling with fighters. We have some of the best

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Speaker 1: fighters in the world, all living in Las Vegas. So

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Speaker 1: this week on two percent, it is all about fighting

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Speaker 1: and the life lessons that you can gain from it.

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Speaker 1: So I called up one of those fighters who happens

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Speaker 1: to live in Las Vegas, one of the all time greats,

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Speaker 1: Misha Tate. She's a former champion. She came and hung

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Speaker 1: out with me in the studio. We talked about her

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Speaker 1: rise in the UFC, what she learned walking on the

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Speaker 1: All Boys of Wrestling team, which is how she got

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Speaker 1: her start in fighting. She told me about life lessons

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Speaker 1: she got by being punched in the face. Turns out

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Speaker 1: there are some really wonderful things you can learn about presence,

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Speaker 1: focus and performance from that. And then she also talked

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Speaker 1: about how when she started working with her biology as

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Speaker 1: a woman, how that totally changed how she was able

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Speaker 1: to perform because the problem with the UFC how they

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Speaker 1: approached women for most of time is that they assumed

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Speaker 1: that they were just smaller men. But it turns out

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Speaker 1: if you, as a woman, start to think of that biology,

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Speaker 1: you can do a lot more in life. So this

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Speaker 1: is a great conversation. Misha has some of the most

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Speaker 1: insane stories I've ever heard, but they're delivered with such

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Speaker 1: a calm and a presence that I think really acts

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Speaker 1: as a metaphor how putting yourself into hard positions where

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Speaker 1: you have to figure things out that can teach you

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Speaker 1: a lot about life. So with all that SAIDs bring

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Speaker 1: Mesha on right now. First thing we're going to have

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Speaker 1: you do is just choke out Robbie on camera.

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Speaker 2: Oh perfect, it'd be a hot start.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be good for our you know, just get

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Speaker 1: people in and get a lot of views from that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: where I want to start is your very first experience

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Speaker 1: fighting wrestling on the boys team in high school?

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Speaker 3: Why did you get into that? Like?

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Speaker 1: What drew you to that? Given that you I assume

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Speaker 1: you're the only girl on the team.

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Speaker 4: My first year, I was one of two. So my

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Speaker 4: best friend and I decided to join and it was

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Speaker 4: actually her idea. So all the good ideas that seemed

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Speaker 4: like terrible ideas but turned out, you know, in hindsight

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Speaker 4: to be the pivotal moment haven't been my idea. So,

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Speaker 4: you know, to say that I was drawn to wrestling

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Speaker 4: isn't even true.

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Speaker 2: I honestly wasn't.

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Speaker 4: I thought guys rolling around in skin tight singlets was

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Speaker 4: very weird. It is in fairness, in fairness, I mean,

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Speaker 4: when you watch it from an outsider's perspective, you're like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's so strange. But she was like, you know, do

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Speaker 4: you want to go out for wrestling? And I said,

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Speaker 4: well why not? It's just that's it's my personality. It's like,

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Speaker 4: why not, what's the worst that can happen? You're willing

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Speaker 4: to try, So I'm willing to try things. I'm willing

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Speaker 4: to get out of the comfort zone. So so I said, yeah, sure,

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Speaker 4: let's do it. So I went home. I asked my

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Speaker 4: Like you're not going to like this. And I was like, well,

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Speaker 4: can I just go out for wrestling because try it tomorrow?

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Speaker 2: And she was like, yeah, sure, I'm not going to.

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Speaker 4: Tell you can't because you're a girl, which I'm very

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Speaker 4: grateful for because I would say ninety nine percent of

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Speaker 3: Go out for us.

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Speaker 4: Now, yeah, it was a boy sport, So I did,

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Speaker 4: and then my first day I fell in love with it.

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Speaker 2: It was the hardest thing I had ever ever done.

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Speaker 3: Is because it was hard, because it was weird.

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Speaker 4: Because it was hard, Yeah, because it was so hard

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Speaker 4: sports before.

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Speaker 2: I had done sports before, so I was used to

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Speaker 4: You know, I'd run a cross country, I'd played volleyball,

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Speaker 4: I mean the physical contact, the challenge, and you know,

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Speaker 4: And I didn't know what the hell I was doing,

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Speaker 4: so I was absolutely getting mopped.

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Speaker 3: But how did they accept you or not accept you?

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Speaker 4: Was it?

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Speaker 3: Did they think it was weird? Or were they like.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they basically treated us like we were misplaced and

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Speaker 4: that we missed the memo. Yeah, so it's just like

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Speaker 2: But my mentality was like, holy shit.

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Speaker 4: I was like I remember, like leaving practice, my hair

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Speaker 4: was a mess. I had matt burns all over me,

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Speaker 4: even my face, and I was just like so discombobulated,

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Speaker 4: and I was like that was fucking awesome.

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Speaker 2: Like I just loved it.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, because it was so hard and I

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Speaker 4: And I think that was the difference is that basketball

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Speaker 4: was the only women's sport offered in the winter season. Okay,

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Speaker 4: and basketball is not my sport. I just don't like it.

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Speaker 4: I'm not I'm very white, I don't jump high, I

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Speaker 4: can't shoot the ball, I don't have good I hand coordination.

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Speaker 4: It's not those are not my strength.

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Speaker 3: So everything working against you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not that I was any better at wrestling, but

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Speaker 4: I had a draw towards wrestling, so I said, I'm

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Speaker 4: of diminishing return. I definitely got better faster because I

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Speaker 4: sucked so bad at the beginning. What's I was competing

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Speaker 4: against Sky, So it was rare that I won. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I don't even know if I ever. No, I never

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Speaker 4: won a match against any male athlete.

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Speaker 1: That says something because I feel like most people, if

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Speaker 1: they're not the win is ultimately kind of the goal, right,

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Speaker 1: and getting a win reinforces you to keep going. But

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Speaker 1: you were just like, screwed. I'm going to keep going

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Speaker 1: whether or not I get the win or not. So

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Speaker 1: is it just kind of of this was what was

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Speaker 4: It was for me, it was redefining what a win is.

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Speaker 4: So you know, a win technically is you know, you

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Speaker 4: since that wasn't an option, my win was not getting pinned.

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Speaker 4: If I could not get pinned, that was a win.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: I gave up five points for the team and not six,

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Speaker 4: that was a win. So I just changed the standard

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Speaker 4: in my own mind, in my own book of what

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Speaker 4: I thought a victory looked like for me and what

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Speaker 4: in practice was not quitting, not giving up, you know,

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Speaker 4: just getting my ass kicked basically and still managing to

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Speaker 2: So every single practice was a giant victory for me.

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Speaker 4: And you know, sometimes we would be running strength we

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Speaker 4: end of practice is very common.

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Speaker 2: We would have these kind of life.

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Speaker 4: So it'd be like you would do like ten back

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Speaker 4: remember that was like my time to shine where I

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Speaker 4: the will and determination to push harder than they would.

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Speaker 4: That would be the time where some of them would

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Speaker 4: be like I'm tired and they'd start slacking off and

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Speaker 4: I absolutely would not, So that was where I would win.

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Speaker 4: I might be passing them on and they'd be like oh,

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Speaker 4: and they'd be like trying to run faster and like

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Speaker 4: catch up to me, like oh, I can't let the

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Speaker 4: girl beat me. But sometimes I would and that was

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Speaker 4: the win for me. So those were my victories.

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Speaker 1: So then how did that shift into MMA? So do

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Speaker 1: wrestling in high school and then what leads to MMA.

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Speaker 4: So I'm going to give you a little context. So

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Speaker 4: it's not that I never got a win either, because

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Speaker 4: there was sometimes I would wrestle girls. It's rare, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but every once in a while, I would.

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Speaker 1: Were there any so you grew up in Washington, were

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Speaker 1: there any high schools that had like a women's wrestling team?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: Not while I was there. It was the year after

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I would argue you're probably the reason why

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Speaker 1: we don't care, We're going to show up and do it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: everyone's going to say, let's get them out of here.

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Speaker 1: We're going to just try and keep their ass. They'll quit,

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Speaker 1: But you didn't quit and then not open the door

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Speaker 1: to a whole new thing for a lot of other girls,

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Speaker 1: which is awesome.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I although I didn't have any verbal say in it,

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Speaker 4: I hope that maybe my example of just what you know,

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Speaker 4: that it would be a lot more fair if we

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Speaker 4: a women's program, And so that ended up happening and

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Speaker 4: that was great, and still to this day, my high

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Speaker 4: think most of the high schools across Washington State and

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Speaker 4: women have their own state championships and it's really great.

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Speaker 4: So my senior year, actually my junior year, was the

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Speaker 4: first year that they implemented a women's state sort of presence.

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Speaker 4: So we didn't have regionals, you know, districts and all

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Speaker 4: this elimination because there weren't enough women. But what we

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Speaker 4: did have happen was that during the men's state wrestling

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Speaker 4: and they would collectively kind of do a round robin,

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Speaker 4: so it was like four of us in a bracket

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Speaker 4: and we would wrestle there in the Tagomadome under the lights,

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Speaker 4: and it was just still so amazing.

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Speaker 2: So that was really cool.

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Speaker 4: I broke my ankle two weeks before the very first

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Speaker 4: state tournament for women, and I was like, oh, I

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Speaker 4: was so sad. But luckily I had my senior year,

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Speaker 4: so I came back my senior year and I won it.

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Speaker 4: So when I did get to wrestle females. I won,

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Speaker 4: but I never really beat the guys. They were just

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Speaker 4: too far ahead of me and too strong. So then

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Speaker 4: I went into college and I went to Central Washington

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Speaker 4: University and my friend Rosalie, who does carr, she was

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Speaker 4: my neighbor in my dorm, and she said, Misha, I

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Speaker 4: found this mixed martial arts club sport. I think that

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Speaker 4: I rejected the idea the first time because I thought

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Speaker 4: you know, that was just a little too far. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's all these different disciplines you can draw

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Speaker 4: Yes, So that high pressure problem solving situation really appealed

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Speaker 2: Why not?

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Speaker 4: So I just went down there, no manager, no coach,

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Speaker 2: Had to go, well, okay, let me.

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Speaker 4: Tell you I didn't win. I'm gonna start you with that. Okay,

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Speaker 4: I didn't win.

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Speaker 3: You only had three weeks. Yeah, I three weeks in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, three weeks in a dream. I don't even know

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Speaker 4: Honestly, I was just like flying by the seat of

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Speaker 4: I think too back that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, UFC is huge now, But to your point

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Speaker 4: And at that time it was commonly phrased as human

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Speaker 4: It was not seen as something that you know, women

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Speaker 2: It was meant to be.

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Speaker 4: But I okay, So my first fight, so I'm fighting

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Speaker 4: And then I just kind of think I just wrestled

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like that sounded like my nose breaking, you know,

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Speaker 4: I've got my neck, you know, sucked into my shoulders,

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Speaker 2: Still see it so vividly.

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Speaker 3: It's like a movie.

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Speaker 4: It's such a surreal moment for me. And that's really

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Speaker 4: And there was the first moment of clarity that I

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Speaker 2: Was that I'm going to kick her ass.

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Speaker 1: So I began That's so interesting because it is there's

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Speaker 3: Or I'm going to kill this person. And you went

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Speaker 4: Yep, and I lost. Is it the only time I

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Speaker 4: And I got mad and I started to do like

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Speaker 4: was very calm coming out. I wasn't nervous, and I

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00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 4: was very calm. It wasn't until I really realized what

441
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,479
Speaker 4: I had gotten myself into and that I had to

442
00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,640
Speaker 4: fight my way out. It's not a wrestling match. This

443
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 4: is a fistfight and a knee fight, evidently, And so

444
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,479
Speaker 4: I went back in my corners looked like they had

445
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 4: seen a ghost. They didn't know what to do with

446
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,680
Speaker 4: this information. They'd never cornered a girl that had been

447
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,400
Speaker 4: taking this kind of damage.

448
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 2: And they threw the towel.

449
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 1: And.

450
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 4: So you're ready to go. I'm ready to go, and

451
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,199
Speaker 4: they disagree. They disagree, they have the towel, they have

452
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 4: the tel Okay, yeah, interesting. What did you feel after

453
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 4: that happened? Three pissed? I was frustrated, But I also

454
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 4: I didn't I also was only a nineteen year old

455
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 4: girl and kind of I wasn't very strong and confident yet.

456
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,120
Speaker 4: So I also, while I was bummed out, I looked

457
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 4: at it as like my fault. I didn't necessarily look

458
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 4: at it as like they had made the wrong decision.

459
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, they must know. It was still kind

460
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 4: of like a child in some ways, so you know,

461
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 4: I mean nineteen, I was still like and I wasn't

462
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 4: a super sassy, strong girl at that point. I was

463
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 4: very much like I was still introverted. I was still

464
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 4: like unsure of like who I am. And I think

465
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,919
Speaker 4: that's why I like these individual challenges because it was

466
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 4: like proving something to me about that I am strong

467
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 4: and that I do have a sense of confidence. But

468
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 4: in every other way, I think I lacked that in

469
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 4: the way that I expressed myself. So I was thinking that,

470
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 4: you know, I didn't do enough. This is my fault.

471
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 4: It's more of a self doubt and a self reflection.

472
00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,080
Speaker 4: I was like, I have to do better, but I

473
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 4: wanted to go out for the third round, and I

474
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 4: just didn't have the courage to protest or to you know,

475
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,439
Speaker 4: or to think any different than what I did, you know.

476
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 4: So I never did get a chance at redemption in

477
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 4: that one. But I did continue fighting, and I won

478
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 4: my next six fights and then I turned pro.

479
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 1: When did you feel like you started to get the

480
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: m M?

481
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:19,400
Speaker 3: I think.

482
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 4: I would say over the next six fights, I feel

483
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 4: like winning was you know, it redefined what winning was

484
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 4: because it was going up against women, so now winning

485
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,199
Speaker 4: could actually be just you know, the actual objective of

486
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 4: like getting your hand raised.

487
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,120
Speaker 2: So I think I started to.

488
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 4: Feel like I understand the full context after that first fight,

489
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 4: and I understand that I just need to prepare differently.

490
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 4: And that's really what it boiled down to me was

491
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 4: a lack of preparation. There's nothing in this world that

492
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 4: I can think of that you'd want to be great

493
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 4: at and you would only prepare for three weeks. Yeah,

494
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,239
Speaker 4: you just needed to put the time in. I just

495
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 4: need to put the time resources. So and I knew

496
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,360
Speaker 4: that from wrestling. I knew that if I show up

497
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 4: every day and I worked hard, that I would get better.

498
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 2: And so that's what I dedicated myself to doing.

499
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,239
Speaker 1: We're going to take a break and then after that

500
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: she's just going to talk to us about her mindset

501
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 1: going into a fight and what you can learn from

502
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: that about how do you improve your own mindset when

503
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 1: you got a stressful event in life. So then you

504
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 1: you get in the eosa, you start winning a bunch.

505
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 1: What is I want to hear about the mental side

506
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: of that? Like what's going through your head during the walkout?

507
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: Are you calm? Are you ramped up?

508
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 4: Like?

509
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 3: What were those like?

510
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,360
Speaker 2: It's almost like a possession.

511
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 4: Interesting, it's almost like being slightly possessed because there's there's

512
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 4: this alternate realm.

513
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 2: I guess is the only way that I could explain it.

514
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 4: We're something from within you that's normally like locked in

515
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 4: a cage and is put away, and you're very unaware

516
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 4: of this power that exists within you. But once the

517
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 4: walkout begins, it's like that just floodgate opened and all

518
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 4: of a sudden, you become this super charged version that

519
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 4: you're almost unaware of.

520
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it feels so.

521
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 4: Surreal and almost not like you, but it's like being

522
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 4: in this flow state at the same time. So it's

523
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 4: a very interesting experience. I think walking out and feeling

524
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 4: the change, you know, but I've experienced different walkouts. I

525
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 4: would say that that is something I developed more into.

526
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 4: I think maybe you're a little bit earlier in my career,

527
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 4: I was still kind of like it was a little

528
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 4: bit more fun and light, but then winning became more

529
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 4: important and it became more serious, and it became everything

530
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 4: because higher stakes get high, the starke correct. So the

531
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 4: pressure I think also developed into this sort of like

532
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 4: alternate I had to break into like new heights I

533
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 4: feel like to really be the best version of myself,

534
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 4: And it's quite an experience.

535
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 2: I will say.

536
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: So your possession almost sounds like you're super energized, but

537
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 1: you're also.

538
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 2: Kind of calm exactly.

539
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 3: You're just like you got a mission.

540
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 2: Yes, laser focused. I mean, like nothing else matters.

541
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 4: You are honed in and you have one goal and

542
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 4: you're willing to die for that goal. Yeah, and so

543
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 4: whatever it takes to come from within you for that

544
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 4: goal for that night, for those fifteen minutes, is just

545
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 4: everything that you have.

546
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

547
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 3: So when the belt are you, Are you afraid at

548
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 3: any point?

549
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 2: No?

550
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 3: No, No, Why do you think that is?

551
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 2: I think that.

552
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 4: I think that fear isn't necessary to be honest for

553
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 4: a goal. I mean you could define it, you know,

554
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 4: as in a way that fear is a motivator. You

555
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 4: could say that there's fear. But when most people who

556
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 4: are not fighters think of fear, they're like run away scared, right, Like, oh,

557
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,479
Speaker 4: that's scary, I don't want to do that. It's like

558
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 4: it's it's a different type of fear.

559
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: It is.

560
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 4: There is a heavy appreciation for the cost of loss.

561
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 4: There's a heavy appreciation for the cost of injury, and

562
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 4: so because you so badly don't want those things, you

563
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 4: fear them in a respect way. It's like you don't

564
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 4: want that and you know that it could happen, so

565
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 4: you therefore, you must overcome it and you must not

566
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 4: let it.

567
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 2: You can't handicap, set almost yeah, set it aside.

568
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 4: And or use it as a motivator. So it's like

569
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 4: a translation of fear in a sense.

570
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: How do you I imagine you have to be very

571
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: present in the fight, right, you have to always be

572
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: paying attention and.

573
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: Supposed to be.

574
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 4: I've had a couple of fights where I wasn't and

575
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 4: that was an extremely odd situation.

576
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: Well I threw it off. Do you think did you

577
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: have to learn to do things to remain present or

578
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: would that just sort of fade and you can't figure

579
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: it out or what?

580
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say the latter part of my career

581
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 4: before I retired, so we're talking maybe twenty fourteen to

582
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen seventeen, I so slowly started to become less

583
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 4: and less present in my fight, so it was harder

584
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 4: for me to access that exact point. I didn't feel

585
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 4: like I was honed in quite as well as I

586
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 4: needed to be, and I either, you know, I ignore

587
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 4: if I won, I ignored that that was there. But if

588
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 4: I lost, you know, I was a loser. And it

589
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 4: was the worst thing in the world to experience to

590
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 4: be hard on yourself, very hard on myself and also

591
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 4: the rest of my life, like my personal life. That's

592
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 4: really what I think drowned out my ability to hone in.

593
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 4: I had some really bad coping skills, and because I

594
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 4: was a strong person who could endure, I did, but

595
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 4: in many ways that I shouldn't have.

596
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 2: So it was in a really toxic relationship for nine years.

597
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 3: It was mane of my relationship stuff that wash that was.

598
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, so my significant other at the time was also

599
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 4: a fighter and also sort of my coach and trainer.

600
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: And just kind of claws deep.

601
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 4: Was this the very controlling kind of person, a very

602
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 4: like belittling kind of person. And I guess that's that's

603
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 4: like lightly glossing over it. But it was tough. It

604
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 4: was really tough for me to be able to maintain

605
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 4: everything that I needed to when I felt like I

606
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 4: was drowning. You know, it's like trying to tread water

607
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 4: with you know, a twenty pound weight on your foot,

608
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 4: almost impossible.

609
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 3: Especially as it ramps up over time.

610
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 2: Correct thing more tired.

611
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, those things tend to you know, the relationship doesn't

612
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: become like that overnight. It probably progresses, and meanwhile you're

613
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: also progressing in your career. So it's kind of like

614
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: these two things getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and tell.

615
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: It comes to ahead.

616
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

617
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

618
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 4: And I had really convinced myself that if I won

619
00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 4: my world title that I would become happy. The happiness

620
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 4: was on the other side of becoming a champion, So

621
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 4: instead of addressing all the things that were going on,

622
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 4: I just simply moved it over and said, well, this

623
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 4: is why, because I haven't become a world champion the title. Yeah,

624
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 4: and when I become a world champion, everything will be fixed.

625
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 4: Every fening will be dandy and golden. And then when

626
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 4: I got to the other side of being the champ,

627
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 4: my whole world came crashing down.

628
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 3: What happened.

629
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: I went into a deep depression.

630
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 4: I thought that I needed to fight again, because that's

631
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 4: what I did in the past. Was like when things

632
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 4: got really bad, I just fought and I would win,

633
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 4: and it was kind of like this temporary fix, you know,

634
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 4: it's temporary high. But ultimately what happened is that I

635
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 4: saw behind the curtain. I saw that that it wasn't

636
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 4: It didn't fix anything.

637
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the.

638
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: Problem wasn't winning or losing.

639
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 4: It was me and it was my life, and it

640
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 4: was my current situation and the things that I was

641
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 4: allowing to happen in my life. And I needed to

642
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 4: do some soul searching and fix some things and move

643
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 4: through some trauma and unpack things.

644
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: So I was just so.

645
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 4: Busy, always being busy, always in the pursuit of something,

646
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 4: never really sitting with myself or listening to myself. And

647
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 4: dare I listened to myself because that wasn't important. The

648
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 4: mission was when these fights that was important, and that

649
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 4: required no listening to yourself. You show up like a

650
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 4: soldier and you just do what you have to do

651
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 4: all the plan, like a robot. And so I had

652
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,239
Speaker 4: disregarded and disassociated myself in so many ways that by

653
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 4: the time I got to being a world champion, I

654
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 4: was so broken and I had no idea. I had

655
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 4: no idea until I won the championship, and I was like,

656
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 4: this didn't fix anything. And then the illusion was gone.

657
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 4: So I was like, well that doesn't fix anything, then

658
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 4: what will now?

659
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 3: What?

660
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? What will?

661
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 4: I was like, Well, maybe I need to fight again,

662
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 4: Maybe I need to defend the belt, because once you

663
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 4: defend the belt, then you're truly a champion, right, so

664
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 4: you've got to defend the belt. So I was like, well,

665
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 4: then then that must be what's wrong, right, I'm still

666
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 4: under this, you know. And I was just a mess

667
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 4: in every single way going into my title fight and

668
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 4: going into my defense fight, and a lot of the

669
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 4: fights before that. But the competition thickens, and the more

670
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 4: that you take away from yourself and your ability to

671
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 4: show up at a higher level matters, because it's just,

672
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 4: you know, a game of slim margins. So I managed

673
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 4: to get it done in the fifth round against Holly

674
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 4: Home with the re naked choke when I was up

675
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 4: against it with the you know, then.

676
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 3: Fight.

677
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so I'll tell you about the fight.

678
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 4: So first round, Holly Home gets a ten to nine,

679
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 4: so this is like ten point my system, and so

680
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 4: she wins the round. So she stay, we stay on

681
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 4: the feet, we don't hit the ground. I'm clearly the grappler,

682
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 4: she's clearly the striker. Now, she just knocked out rounda

683
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 4: Rousey with the headkick. The headkick that was heard around

684
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 4: the world. That was huge, you know. And she's got

685
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 4: all this boxing experience, so you know, she's she's she's

686
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 4: a great striker and she's a legit threat. And first

687
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 4: round I don't get it to the ground, So, okay,

688
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 4: come back. Coaches are like, hey, it's all right, you know,

689
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 4: let's go back out there. They're like, now we are

690
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 4: we timing and let's get this one. So second round,

691
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 4: I get it to the ground very quickly, and I'm

692
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 4: doing damage. I'm dropping elbows. I'm on top of her

693
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 4: the entire round. She doesn't get back up. I think

694
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 4: I get close to a roar naked in that round,

695
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 4: but I didn't get the joke. So this judges score

696
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 4: that round to ten eight. Now we don't know that

697
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 4: because they don't have open scoring, right, So in the

698
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 4: second round, I'm technically up around on her even though

699
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 4: the third round hasn't happened. But nobody really knows that.

700
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 4: So we go into the third round. She skirts around,

701
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 4: she does a thing. I don't get her down, so

702
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 4: she wins that round. Fourth round happens, she does her thing,

703
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 4: she moves around, she sticks the moves. Yeah, I'm not

704
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 4: hurt at all, but I'm losing rounds. So we're thinking

705
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 4: it's three to one round. Technically it was three to two,

706
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 4: but either way, and the fifth round is a do

707
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 4: or die round. All the things that we had gone

708
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 4: into that first round or the whole fight conceptually was like, hey,

709
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 4: let's be smart and let's get the right timing and

710
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 4: let's not get knocked out trying to pursue a takedown.

711
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 4: So I'm in the fifth round and we're basically like,

712
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 4: we got to throw it all to the wind, We

713
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 4: got to throw all the caution. I was like, I

714
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 4: realized that in my mind that if I wanted to

715
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 4: become a world champion, I had to be okay with

716
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 4: getting knocked out. I had to be okay with the

717
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 4: most brutal, difficult loss of my life on the major

718
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 4: platform of you know, Carnor McGregor versus Nadas, you know,

719
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 4: all eyeballs on, this's going to be seen by millions

720
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 4: of people. Had to be okay with like the worst

721
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 4: outcome in order to get have a chance.

722
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 3: I can'd you accept that or flip that switch?

723
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 4: I think I just knew it, and I was willing

724
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 4: to do it. I was willing to do it, you know.

725
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 4: I really every time that I've stepped into the octagon

726
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 4: have been willing to essentially pay the ultimate sacrifice. I

727
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 4: think that changed a little bit after I had kids,

728
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 4: but at that point I was absolutely ready to literally die.

729
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 4: I mean I would have died for that opportunity, no

730
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 4: questions asked. So to get knocked out if it had

731
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 4: to be on such a you know, the gravity of

732
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 4: the scale, I was willing to risk it. And you know,

733
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 4: that was the only chance I had to win, So

734
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 4: I had to risk it. So I go out in

735
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 4: that round and I take a hail Mary takedown. It

736
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 4: wasn't very good, and it was far away, and I

737
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 4: barely got my hands around her hips. She was a

738
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 4: little too far away. So I swung myself around outside

739
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 4: and kind of behind her and kind of like threw

740
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 4: her down. So think of like throwing an anchor off

741
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 4: of a ship or something. And it was kind of

742
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 4: this like glooping thing that I did. And I scrambled

743
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 4: onto her back and she's trying to stand up, and

744
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 4: I'm trying to get this choke in and I get

745
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 4: I lock an arm under her throat and then I

746
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 4: feel that I secure the choke with the second arm,

747
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 4: and she is, you know, she's doing everything she can

748
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 4: to get out of this choke. So we're standing here

749
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 4: kind of against the fence in and she tries to

750
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 4: like basically flip me off of her back over her head,

751
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 4: which causes both of us to kind of do a

752
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 4: summersault because I wasn't letting go. I was like, at

753
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 4: this point, I'm like dog on a boat. I'm locked on.

754
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: So she probably has the opposite approach going into this.

755
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,959
Speaker 1: She goes, if I can just keep this person away

756
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: from yes, I'll probably win.

757
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 2: Correct.

758
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 3: So it's like you, it's this crazy question put where

759
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 3: your styles are totally opposite.

760
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: Totally opposite.

761
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, So she's trying to create space and get me

762
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 4: off of her. But I have the choke and I

763
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 4: know that I have it, and so I am hanging on.

764
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 4: And I've been an all kinds of positions upside down, north, south,

765
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 4: like you name it. I mean, there's not a position

766
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 4: on the ground I have experienced. So her trying to

767
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 4: throw me off from a standing back position was like

768
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 4: just like a fun little roller coaster ride.

769
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: You know.

770
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 4: I just rolled right through, flipped, you know, and I

771
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 4: still had the choke, and then you know, it was

772
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 4: a few seconds later she was punching the air because

773
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 4: she was dreaming and then the yeah she was out

774
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 4: and she didn't tap in the coaches that not the

775
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 4: coach excuse me, The referee pulled me off, and then

776
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 4: I realized that one I was the new UFC Bantawaeite

777
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 4: Women's It was the most incredible feeling in my life.

778
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 2: Where was that fight?

779
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 4: Was at the MGM Grand Okay, yeah, I want to

780
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 4: say Tmobile Arena for that's where they do them now.

781
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 4: But I was like, no, this is back when it

782
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 4: was the MGM.

783
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then how long did it take where you're like, oh,

784
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 1: that didn't solve everything?

785
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: Two weeks?

786
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 3: Two weeks, So we got a nice rode, a nice

787
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: high for two weeks.

788
00:36:59,120 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

789
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 4: I don't think I slept for like two days. And

790
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 4: I wasn't tired. I mean I was absolutely wired. I

791
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 4: was so pumped. Yeah, but then life goes back to normal.

792
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 4: The media moves on, the fans all that stuff. It's like,

793
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 4: it's cool, but it just once the thing settled, they settle,

794
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 4: they settled. Yeah, once it best settled, I knew.

795
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 5: I was like, oh no, this was supposed to be like,

796
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 5: this was supposed to be the high point, This was

797
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 5: supposed to be the best point, and I would say

798
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 5: it was that I started to be at one of

799
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 5: my worst points at that point.

800
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you take another fight. How far away

801
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: was the defending your title?

802
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: It was I think about six months.

803
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 3: Six months, Yeah, and that was was that in New

804
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 3: York that one.

805
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 4: No, that was two fights later. So I fought Amanda

806
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 4: Nunez also at the actually we were at the T

807
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 4: Mobile Okay, yeah, I fought her there. I think it

808
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 4: was maybe the first card there UFC two hundred or two,

809
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 4: A five two hundred so long ago now, so and

810
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 4: you get hit in the.

811
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: Head for a living.

812
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 4: But I fought her, and you know, I was really

813
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 4: I feel like that kind of that big catalyst of

814
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 4: you know, when she beat me, it was like she

815
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 4: went on a run and she just demolished the division

816
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 4: for a really long time.

817
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: She sure did, and now she's coming back, so that's cool.

818
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 4: But she Yeah, she hit really hard and I had

819
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 4: a horrible weight cut. I didn't realize at the time

820
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 4: that my hashimotos had gotten so bad. So I had

821
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 4: been well, you realized I had hypothyroidism, and I've since

822
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 4: been diagnosed with hashimotos, but I did not know I

823
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 4: wasn't diagnosed with hashimotos at the time, but the doctor

824
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 4: diagnosed me with hashmotoves was like, well, how long have

825
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 4: you had a slow thyroid? I was like, well, I

826
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 4: first got diagnosed when I was nineteen, but I kind

827
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 4: of like poo pooed it. I like took the medication

828
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 4: for like a little bit, but I don't like digging medications.

829
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 4: I won't even take an aspirin or an advil unless

830
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 4: I absolutely like have to, like even surgeries things like that.

831
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 4: I try to take zero medicaid. So I was like,

832
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 4: I think I'll just I researched it, and I was like,

833
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 4: I'll just eat healthier, And it didn't really seem to

834
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 4: make a difference until way later, ten years later in

835
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 4: my career that I was having trouble bringing my weight down.

836
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 4: It was eating like a rabbit and working out like insane,

837
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 4: and I still wasn't dropping the weight that I would

838
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 4: normally move. So the weightcuts became hillacious, and that's not

839
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 4: a good combination. When you have hard weight cuts and

840
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 4: then you are getting hit in the head, you're more

841
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 4: likely to get rocked and knocked out because you can

842
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 4: pull water actually from your Basically the fluid in your brain,

843
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 4: which is wild, and that increases your chances of experiencing

844
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 4: a knockout or just an equilibrium issue when you're pulling

845
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 4: that much weight and you're in that much heat for

846
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 4: that long. So meant usually do this in majority at

847
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 4: that time, majority of the weight cuts were either in a

848
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 4: very hot bath or in a in asauna.

849
00:39:58,560 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: Asauna.

850
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned you have to stay present when you're fighting, right,

851
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: but someone might punch you in the face. Yeah, it's

852
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 1: like that Mike Tyson quote. Everyone has a plan until

853
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: they get punched in the face.

854
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

855
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: How would you react to that and try and stay

856
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: present even after you just get smashed?

857
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 4: Oh it would. That is like the ultimate. If you're

858
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 4: not present, you are now, So it's only helpful.

859
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: So that helps.

860
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you were not totally sewed in or honed in,

861
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 4: then you are after you get hit in the face.

862
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 4: I mean, at least I was. I think most fighters

863
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 4: experience that. I can't speak for all, but sometimes certain

864
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 4: fighters need to get hit before they what they call

865
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 4: wake up, you know, like, oh, and they get hit,

866
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 4: they like wake up and they turn it on even more.

867
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 4: That was me, Yeah, I kind of like I went

868
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 4: in like focused, but then when I would get hit,

869
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 4: it helped me reach a new level of like competitive

870
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 4: you know, focus, presence really just snap to be right

871
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 4: into the moment.

872
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

873
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: Do you find there's a transferability for the average person

874
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: or even in your day to day life where it's

875
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: like sometimes something needs to happen for a person to.

876
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 3: Kind of wake up, as you put it.

877
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, sometimes people just got to get hit in

878
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 4: the face metaphorically. I mean that's life though, it will

879
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 4: you know, hand you your ass sometimes. And I think

880
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 4: that it's all for a reason. And I think that

881
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 4: it would be beneficial for people to step outside of

882
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 4: what is like comfortable for them more often, because that

883
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 4: is usually when you experience something that's really difficult and

884
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 4: kind of shakes you or shakes your foundation or challenges

885
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 4: you in a way. And I think when we have

886
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 4: those challenge moments, there's the that's where the opportunity is.

887
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 4: That's where the opportunity is to get to the other side.

888
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 4: But if we never even approach the bridge, like how

889
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 4: do we how do we ever get to their side?

890
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 4: How do we ever figure out, you know, what opportunities

891
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 4: lie ahead of us, what we're really made of what

892
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 4: we're really drawn to, what we're really great at, unless

893
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 4: you're willing to put yourself out there a little bit,

894
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 4: and you've got to be willing to fail to. I

895
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 4: absolutely think that failure is such an important part. And

896
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 4: I've read a lot of books on you know, the

897
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 4: psychology and how the human brain works, and how the

898
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 4: female brain works. And one thing that I've learned which

899
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 4: I implemented much later on my career. So I retired

900
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 4: after I lost, not when I lost my belt, but

901
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 4: I came back and I felt one more time in

902
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 4: New York, as you have mentioned, and I was absolutely

903
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 4: not present in that fight.

904
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 2: It was somewhere else entirely, which is such a weird experience.

905
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: Because you've had you you win the belt, you have

906
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 1: this two week Hi. Now all of a sudden, life

907
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: starts to get real. You all and solved of my problems.

908
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: You lose the belt, and you're like, all right, was

909
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: the idea if I get the if I get.

910
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 3: The one Mark started getting at all.

911
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 4: Yes, even though I kind of I knew already that

912
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 4: it wasn't, but I it was the only thing I

913
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 4: had because I had not taken the time to resolve

914
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 4: any issues with myself. Yeah, so I was still using

915
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 4: the same broken system, and I thought it was it

916
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 4: would work if I did it better somehow, even though

917
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 4: I was like coming to the harsh realization that there

918
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 4: was way more that needed to be done than just

919
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 4: winning fights. So oh, what I was going to say, though,

920
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 4: was that when you do something incorrectly, So let's say

921
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 4: I'll say this about training in a gym setting. Let's

922
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 4: say that I am drilling a double egg and I'm

923
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 4: going to do it a hundred times every time I

924
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 4: do it well. In your brain the way the human

925
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 4: brain works, it's like, that's great, but it's not really

926
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 4: like acknowledged. I think you're reinforcing the wiring the myelin.

927
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 4: But when you do it wrong, your body really cues

928
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 4: on on how to do it right. So it's only

929
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 4: because of the incorrect that you really really hone in

930
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 4: on how to do it correctly. So it's really trying

931
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 4: to remember what that book was now, But it was

932
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 4: fascinating about the milin and the brain is basically how

933
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 4: I look at it in like a layman's terms, it's

934
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 4: like we have these pathways that we call it muscle

935
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 4: memory and fighting. It's like the term that we use.

936
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 4: But these pathways that run through your brain, and the

937
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 4: more that you do this certain path that the more

938
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 4: efficient that the firing of that network and connection that

939
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 4: you're going to do it correctly, it strengthened. So you

940
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 4: lay this like you wrap around that, so you make

941
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 4: sure that this doesn't fire off to the left or

942
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 4: the right, but it goes right where it's supposed to go.

943
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 4: That's muscle memory, the things that you don't have to

944
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 4: think about doing anymore. It's like whenever you've done a

945
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 4: craft or you've done anything, your yard work, whatever, you

946
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 4: become more efficient at it as you're going because you're

947
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 4: learning to hone in on it. Right.

948
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 2: It's like with everything that you do, negatives like reinforcing exactly,

949
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: they're more powerful. Correct, Yes, they're more powerful.

950
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 4: So that's what I started doing, was realizing that it's

951
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 4: not about being perfect in every gym session. It's honestly

952
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 4: about showing up and being willing to learn from your mistakes.

953
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 3: To have the mistakes.

954
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: And so I think it's.

955
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: Like the extreme case is, how do you learn how

956
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: not to touch the stove that's red?

957
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 3: You touch it once and you never do it again.

958
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, exactly, because you can tell your kids, you

959
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 4: know till your bloom and face will touch it.

960
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 2: Because it's hot.

961
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 4: But every kid has to burn themselves at some point

962
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 4: before they really get it because they can't have your

963
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 4: experience by living through you vicariously. You could try, but

964
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 4: it just doesn't work, Like that's not how humans were designed.

965
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 4: So I encourage people to try to do things where

966
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 4: they know they're going to fail. You like, do something

967
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 4: on purpose where you know, like you're definitely not going

968
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 4: to get this right.

969
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: Get out on a wakeboard, yeah.

970
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 4: You know, go skiing, go snowboarding for the first time,

971
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 4: Like you know you're not going to get it. You're

972
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 4: not going to have this toll you right, But it's

973
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 4: it's fun. So it's great to learn and be expansive

974
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 4: on I think the way that you approach your life

975
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 4: and that does translate into everyday life.

976
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: I think we're going to take a break and then

977
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: Misha is going to tell us how she takes the

978
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: lessons that she learned and the Octagon and you and

979
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: applies them to parenting and her kids. You have two

980
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: kids six and eight, is that right? How do you

981
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: apply this with them in parenting.

982
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 4: That's a great that's a really great question. Well, I

983
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 4: put them in situations where I know that they're not

984
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 4: going to totally be successful, and a big part.

985
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: Of that is sport.

986
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, A big part of it is where they well

987
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 4: what sports do they play? So my son does jiu jitsu,

988
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 4: my daughter does kicksboxing.

989
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 3: I was going to ask, if you let them fight?

990
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 4: I mean let that's a loose term. I don't think

991
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 4: I have a choice in that. But if they I

992
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 4: hope that they don't do.

993
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 3: Is your husband has a fighting background, right he does?

994
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope that they don't because it's a mother

995
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 4: and me is like, I don't want to see them.

996
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: Go down that path.

997
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 4: But if they do, I would do everything that I

998
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 4: can to make them the best, and I will support that.

999
00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 3: They'd have a good fight team.

1000
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 4: I'll say, yeah, I think so, well, you know, maybe

1001
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 4: a little better start than most. But I try to

1002
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 4: put them in situations where I know that they are

1003
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 4: going to struggle. And I don't do everything for them.

1004
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 2: I don't.

1005
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 4: I refuse to. I know that if it's difficult for them,

1006
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 4: I'm like, that's good. So it's situations of like I

1007
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 4: could think of like swimming or something like that. You know,

1008
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 4: it's like, Mom, I can't get that coin off the

1009
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 4: bottom of the pool. You know, can you get it

1010
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 4: for me? It's like, well, let's think about this for

1011
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 4: a second. But if you take a few deep breaths

1012
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 4: and you really focus, take a couple peaks of the war,

1013
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 4: and I try to like guide them through. It was like,

1014
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 4: but you can do it, I'm not going to do

1015
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 4: it for you. So it's a matter of putting those

1016
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 4: them constantly in those situations of like something that's difficult

1017
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 4: and they're asking for help and me saying basically, I'm

1018
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 4: here for you, but I'm not doing it for you

1019
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 4: because I know you're capable of that within reason. Obviously,

1020
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 4: you know, there's things that they really can't do. That's like, okay,

1021
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 4: I can't step in as a parent and be an

1022
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 4: example and show them how to do it. But now,

1023
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 4: I like, I love every challenge that comes to my kids,

1024
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 4: and I don't want to solve the problem for them.

1025
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 4: I want to know that when they're on their own,

1026
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 4: that they can problem solve and that's an important skill set, so,

1027
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 4: you know.

1028
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: And teaching them that the failure like with the coin

1029
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the pool. They're going to go down.

1030
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 1: They're probably going to miss it the first three times. Yeah,

1031
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: but that's how they learn ultimately. So you're just there

1032
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 1: kind of going, here's what I do in your situation,

1033
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: But why don't you try it?

1034
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 3: Oh you didn't get it? What'd you learn from that?

1035
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 3: Try it again? Yes?

1036
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, instead of just being like don't get it,

1037
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 4: or yeah, I'll get it for you or you know,

1038
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 4: just and that goes in every single situation. It's how

1039
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 4: I approach each opportunity. And a lot of the opportunities

1040
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 4: are not planned. It's not something that I'm trying to

1041
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 4: do for them, but it's like I just try to

1042
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 4: give them the skills that I can give them, but

1043
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 4: I want them to problem solve for themselves.

1044
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 3: Okay, So with.

1045
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: Kind of getting your mind right before a fight, a

1046
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: lot of it you said comes from you know, you fail,

1047
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 1: you learn things along the way. Did you do anything

1048
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: specific though to get present, Like would you do things

1049
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: like visualization or meditation and what would that look like?

1050
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did a lot of visualization a lot.

1051
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 4: I would sit and I would I would I would

1052
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 4: have my walk out and I would be laying in

1053
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 4: bed and I would think of these things, or sitting

1054
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 4: in a chair, and then I always visualized and I'm

1055
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 4: not going to say that this was necessarily was it's interesting,

1056
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 4: let's play this out. So I would visualize, you know,

1057
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 4: getting knocked down and getting back up. I would visualize

1058
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 4: that of like not giving up that moment of adversity

1059
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 4: where you assume you're going to experience that in a

1060
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 4: fight and then you've got to get back up. Now,

1061
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 4: the problem was is that I would experience this almost

1062
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 4: every fight. I think because I kind of talked it

1063
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 4: into existence. It was like, Okay, I need that moment

1064
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 4: to happen and then the win happens. So maybe a

1065
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 4: little short sighted and like what I was actually trying

1066
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 4: to accomplish, but done differently, I think.

1067
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 2: Now I would do.

1068
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 4: I would do it a little different in the sense that, well,

1069
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 4: I did start to do it differently. I started to

1070
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 4: focus more on the things that I really really wanted

1071
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 4: out of each moment, not the things that I needed

1072
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 4: to fall back on, but the best things, like what

1073
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 4: I really wanted out of every single moment in the fight,

1074
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 4: and that was getting the takedown, getting this, getting the ground,

1075
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 4: pound getting So I focused on all those positives because

1076
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 4: and maybe there was something to be said about having

1077
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 4: the preparation of like getting through the hard times, but

1078
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 4: at this point I knew that the proof was in

1079
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,479
Speaker 4: the pudding, Like I know that I'm tough. I don't

1080
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 4: think that I have to prove it or that I

1081
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 4: have to focus on visualizing that, because that's not what

1082
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 4: I want to happen in a fight.

1083
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 2: That's what will happen.

1084
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 4: And I know that I already trust out myself because

1085
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 4: I've already put myself in this situation. So I've built

1086
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 4: that trust response that I know that I'll keep pushing.

1087
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 4: I know that I will keep fighting. I know that

1088
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 4: I won't give up. So we're not going to plan

1089
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 4: for it. We know that it's there, but what we

1090
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 4: are going to focus on is the things that we

1091
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 4: want to accomplish in this fight. And so that was

1092
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 4: kind of my approach later, and I think that it worked.

1093
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 4: I worked really well. I thought my very best fight

1094
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 4: against Julia Avila December twenty third, No December third, twenty

1095
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 4: twenty three.

1096
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 3: And uh, what made that fight your best?

1097
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 4: You know, synergistic? It was everything came together. It was

1098
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 4: the first fight in my life that I prepared for

1099
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 4: as a woman. That's going to sound really strange. I know,

1100
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 4: I knew that was going to be the question. So

1101
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 4: I'm a guy, right, So every fight before that I

1102
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 4: had prepared according to a male model. I had never

1103
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 4: even crossed my mind that there would be a benefit

1104
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 4: for me to prepare as a woman with the programming

1105
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 4: for a woman instead of just following exactly what the

1106
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 4: guys do. And I guess the biggest benefits for me

1107
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 4: was learning how to work with my biology as opposed

1108
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 4: to pretending it doesn't exist and then wondering why things

1109
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 4: are not working as well. You know, you can override

1110
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 4: things for a really long time, and I became a

1111
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 4: world champion overriding. But I hurt myself. I hurt myself hormonally.

1112
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 4: I hurt myself mentally. I hurt myself emotionally. And it's

1113
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 4: very catastrophic for women when we mess with our hormones

1114
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 4: because we need twenty eight days in order to try

1115
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 4: to do it again. All right, you're on a twenty

1116
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 4: four hour hormone cycle. For you, it's like you have

1117
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 4: different fluctuations, but stosterone's high in the morning. It's a

1118
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 4: little bit lower in the evening, and then you do

1119
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 4: it again the next day. For us, essentially, noaday is

1120
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 4: the same. We're constantly either building or rapidly declining in

1121
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 4: two primary sex hormones, estrogen and pgesterone. And while we see,

1122
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 4: you know, an eight I think it's eight to ten

1123
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 4: time increase of estrogen in the first flicular part of

1124
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 4: our cycle, and we get a little bit of testosterone

1125
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 4: and then we nose dive into the ludio phase, which

1126
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 4: can feel like being shoved off of a cliff comparatively

1127
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 4: to the first half this like, and it's not the

1128
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 4: best time that I have found. I think most women

1129
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 4: also will find to push an eleven out of ten

1130
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 4: type of workout because pagesterone is a bit more of

1131
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 4: like it's that nesting hormone sort of. It's the hormone

1132
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 4: that just goes wild and it increases tremendously during pregnancy.

1133
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 4: And you'll hear about that like, oh, my wife is

1134
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 4: like reading the house, she's doing all these things right,

1135
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 4: or my girlfriend or a woman in general, when she

1136
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 4: has that higher pagestone phase, she's a little bit more

1137
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 4: likely to want to be like inside and reflective and

1138
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 4: calm and securing the nest.

1139
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 3: Not taking punches in the face.

1140
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1141
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 4: Correct, So it's not that we can't do those things

1142
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 4: during that, but it helps to be aware that we

1143
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 4: may interpret or produce different results.

1144
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1145
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 4: And here's where it used to be really bad. Is

1146
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 4: I never used to understand this and show in that

1147
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 4: ludio phase. I would go and spa and I'd be like,

1148
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 4: why do I suck today? I actually I suck. I'm

1149
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 4: gonna lose this fight, and I would go down this

1150
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 4: mental spy.

1151
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 3: You get in your head.

1152
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, I would get in my.

1153
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 4: Head so bad, and I would cry and be so

1154
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 4: fresh because you're more emotional during that time.

1155
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 2: Anyway, it's more.

1156
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 4: Likely so the it was disastrous just because I didn't

1157
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 4: understand like, oh, well, I'm just not hormonally at the

1158
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 4: most optimal time to test myself. But that's difficult to

1159
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 4: navigate as a female athlete because obviously we really we

1160
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 4: still have to navigate and we still have to compete

1161
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 4: sometimes in the less optimal times in our cycle.

1162
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean we can't do that.

1163
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: Right, the date for the fight gets set correct four

1164
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: months in advance, right, something you can't be like pay biology, Yes,

1165
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: mark this on the calendar. We need certain things to

1166
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: have in your body doesn't care.

1167
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 4: Right, body doesn't care. No, essentially from that ovulation middle

1168
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 4: of the cycle where bodies considered are as pregnant. And

1169
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 4: here's another thing is I always was following a strict

1170
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 4: calorie plan and it did not include the ludio face

1171
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 4: for a woman. So every women, every single day and

1172
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,439
Speaker 4: the phase burn one to three hundred more calories per

1173
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 4: day doing nothing, doing nothing else, just metabolically because the

1174
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 4: body is doing all these things and changing and pgestone

1175
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 4: is increasing tenfold. So we hear estrogen as like a

1176
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 4: woman's hormone, right, But I would argue pgestone is even

1177
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 4: more prominent than estrogen because estrogen raises like eight eight

1178
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 4: to ten times, and then it's like ten times that

1179
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 4: for the pgestone part. So it's massive increase in what

1180
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 4: progesterone is doing. And there's just two different hormones. And

1181
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 4: we can experience, like our smooth muscle tissue slows down

1182
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 4: in the ludiophase, which is really interesting. So even the

1183
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 4: way we digest things and bloat, you know, you hear

1184
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 4: women complain about that, So what I was saying, is

1185
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 4: that when I started training according to that, when I

1186
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 4: started saying, well, expectation is here. I'm going to do

1187
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 4: more of my longer endurance type workouts in the follicular phase,

1188
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 4: and I'm going to lift priorize my heaviest lifting week

1189
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 4: when I have a little put shop to stosterone present,

1190
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 4: because that's nice for building muscle, Like why not you know, prioritize.

1191
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 4: It doesn't mean I wasn't working out or lifting or

1192
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 4: pushing myself at all at all phases. But I gave

1193
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 4: my self permission in my ludio phase to show up differently.

1194
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,959
Speaker 4: And it's usually for me, it is only about two

1195
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 4: days of the ludio phase where I really feel this heaviness.

1196
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 4: It's almost like I'm moving through water and things are

1197
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 4: really difficult, but it's somewhere usually in that week before

1198
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 4: my cycle begins, somewhere in there, and it's like, okay,

1199
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 4: So for these couple days today I'm not feeling it.

1200
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 4: I'm going to adjust my workout plan and I'm going

1201
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 4: I'm not going to spar today to sell my coaches.

1202
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 4: I went with it, and that's it. And then then

1203
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 4: what happens instead of digging myself such a hole by

1204
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 4: still forcing myself to show up the same way and

1205
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 4: this small window of time when I really don't feel

1206
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 4: like I'm capable of that. But I could do it

1207
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 4: if I manually overwrote it. But what does it take

1208
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 4: for me in the long run? Then when my better

1209
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 4: phases cycle shows up again, I'm buried?

1210
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 3: Okay? So would you then?

1211
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: How did this affect your weightcuts? When you started thinking

1212
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: from a woman's point of view? Did that change how

1213
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: you would do the weightcut thing?

1214
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 4: Absolutely? Yeah, the weightcut was so much easier when I started.

1215
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 3: What would you change?

1216
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: So you changed basically the type of training you would do.

1217
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: You change some of your eating day to day based

1218
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: on your cycle, and then but you still have to

1219
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: do the weight cut. So how would that change?

1220
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1221
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 4: So I would, Well, first of all, I would do

1222
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 4: my best to schedule the fight even months out. If

1223
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 4: I had any say or preference, I would schedule it

1224
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 4: in my fullicular phase. It's just much easier. Yeah, and

1225
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 4: preferably right around ovulation. So remember that fight. I was

1226
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 4: just telling you about it that it was like everything

1227
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 4: was synergistic. It was like right over ovulation, which was

1228
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 4: like t Stafstern was as highest, it's just easier to

1229
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 4: be aggressive. I don't know how to explain this, right,

1230
00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 4: it's like ready to go. I'm just ready to take

1231
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 4: a head off, you know, ready to.

1232
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 3: Take a head off, as we all are some days.

1233
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 4: So it was it was just perfect and the weight

1234
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 4: cut was great. But it's if you have to compete

1235
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 4: and or cut weight in the ludio phase, there's an

1236
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 4: extra preparation. I think that needs to be accounted for.

1237
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 4: So you may need to try to diet and get

1238
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 4: your weight a little bit lower. You may need more

1239
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 4: time to prepare for something like that. So if you're like, oh, man, okay,

1240
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 4: if it's got to be this day, like I need

1241
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 4: at least three months because I don't want to be

1242
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 4: on too strict of a calorie deficit otherwise hormones start

1243
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 4: to shut down. But I experience I've experienced this multiple

1244
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 4: times where I've dipped into a men areea so.

1245
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 2: Like completely lost?

1246
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 3: What does that feel like?

1247
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 2: Are you just horrible, You're just super tired or what?

1248
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 4: Yes, it's exhausting, not I mean you're exhausted in a

1249
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 4: fight camp anyways, but hormonally very flat, I guess it's

1250
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 4: the ways you just feel extremely like like not really,

1251
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 4: it's really hard to get there or present in a

1252
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 4: fight or to care about much of an because you

1253
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 4: just feel like a bit of a zombie.

1254
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: And then the worst.

1255
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 4: Part of it is the aftermath of trying to get

1256
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 4: back onto a normal hormonal cycle, just letting your body

1257
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 4: regulate itself, because again it takes twenty eight days before

1258
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 4: you get to try again and see if it's any better.

1259
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: It takes a while for those things to come back,

1260
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: even in men. So I after I did that long hike,

1261
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: I had Andy Galpin. He tested a bunch of different

1262
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: stuff right before I left and right after I left,

1263
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: and my testosterone just cratered, and even forty five days later,

1264
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: it hadn't built back up, because hormones are one of

1265
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: the last things your body starts to like, all right,

1266
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: let's figure these things out.

1267
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 3: It takes a while, yeah.

1268
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 4: Because they're not immediately eminent to your survival that day, right,

1269
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 4: but they if you have good hormone levels and good

1270
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 4: fertility and these things, it's a sign that you're very

1271
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 4: like robust and like your longevity is headed in a

1272
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 4: good direction. Yeah, So crashing that what was that like

1273
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 4: for you, I'm curious, did you feel the difference of

1274
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 4: like your testosterone being you know.

1275
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: I just felt I mean, right after the hike, of course,

1276
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: I just felt way more tired. I'd been walking, you know,

1277
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: twenty five miles a day for a month and a half.

1278
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: And once I got back in my garage gym just

1279
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: over there and tried to list something, I was so

1280
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: weak and it just felt like death. It was just

1281
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: the worst. Yeah, but I feel okay now.

1282
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 3: And it took a while.

1283
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't like you know, I think people sometimes think, oh,

1284
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: I'll be back in two days, not two days.

1285
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it was probably two months.

1286
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, And and for me when I experienced say Maria,

1287
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 4: it would take like a year.

1288
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 3: Wow, a year? Year?

1289
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 2: Well, a year is only twelve cycles. Yeah, we think

1290
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 2: about it.

1291
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and been if your cycle skewed and off,

1292
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 4: then it can be anywhere between that day and it

1293
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 4: could just be like you missed one for a month,

1294
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 4: like so it's a really long, arduous process to get

1295
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 4: your hormones back online.

1296
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 2: So that was rough.

1297
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 3: Did that teach anything about patience?

1298
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 4: Taught me a lot about not being so stupid play

1299
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 4: that much I'm like, Wow, there's a lot I still

1300
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 4: need to learn. And you know, like women in general,

1301
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 4: like this is not something that's talked about enough. Yeah,

1302
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 4: women are not researched enough. We're really kind of underserved

1303
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 4: in the medical community and the science community.

1304
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 2: It's tough. I knew that we were talking about it

1305
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 2: on my podcast yesterday.

1306
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, so you started a podcast it talks a

1307
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: lot about these things. That was we recorded yesterday, so

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Speaker 1: it's our second day recording, just different podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you.

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Speaker 1: Tell how do you tell women to work with these

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Speaker 1: things if they're just generally active, like they're not, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're not they're not holding the belt over their head

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Speaker 1: anytime soon, but they are active.

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Speaker 4: They do want to feel better and certainly affect the

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Speaker 4: average everyday women too, because there are a lot you know,

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Speaker 4: women have a lot of pressure on us to you know,

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Speaker 4: be thinner, and to do more and to you know,

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Speaker 4: take care of the family and to still work and

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Speaker 4: do all the things. We put a lot of pressure

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Speaker 4: on ourselves. So eighty percent of all autoimmune diseases exists

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Speaker 4: in women. Diseases exist in women, And I think that

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Speaker 4: to me says we're working against our biology and really

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Speaker 4: hurting ourselves. And it's easier to do that again as

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Speaker 4: a woman who is like fluctuating and these two hormones,

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Speaker 4: and pagestone is basically the once the opposite of stress,

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Speaker 4: so it's very impacted by stress. I think all hormones

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Speaker 4: can be impacted by stress, but pagestroone is vital. It's

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Speaker 4: a hormone that you need access to to carry a

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Speaker 4: successful pregnancy. It is such an important hormone for regulating

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Speaker 4: your cycle. So some women have really long cycles or

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Speaker 4: really horrible painful cycles. This is usually an indication. It

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Speaker 4: could be something else, but it's worth looking into if

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Speaker 4: it's your hormones. And so I think as a woman,

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Speaker 4: what I would say the very first step is to

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Speaker 4: start tracking your cycle and anything you notice with that

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Speaker 4: jot it down voice noted if you have to. Not

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Speaker 4: everybody likes the bus out of pen and paper these days.

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Speaker 4: You can handwrite it. Great if not, but start noticing

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Speaker 4: any trends. Because what I will say is that men

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Speaker 4: have a predictable hormonal cycle, and so do women. They're

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Speaker 4: very different, but it's actually quite predictable if you pay attention.

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Speaker 3: You just got to pay attention.

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Speaker 4: Just got to pay attention, and if you're not paying attention,

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Speaker 4: it can get really difficult. It can get really difficult

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Speaker 4: for you, and it can get really difficult for your

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Speaker 4: significant other because men want to help out and they

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Speaker 4: want to fix things, but they have no idea how

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Speaker 4: volatile it can be being a woman, so they don't

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Speaker 4: understand how to show up for you unless you can

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Speaker 4: explain this. And luckily there's some science now showing what

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Speaker 4: women are kind of going through and like what these

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Speaker 4: hormones do to our brains and the way that we

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Speaker 4: show up differently and how you can be supportive.

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Speaker 2: But I still feel like this is not talked about enough.

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Speaker 4: So in a nutshell for you, guys, don't bring up

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Speaker 4: anything hard or like the thing to talk about a

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Speaker 4: week before her period.

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Speaker 2: It's the worst time to do that, So don't talk.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just basically shut up and do more like show

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Speaker 4: up for her, schedule a massage, make dinner, or just

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Speaker 4: you know, communicate with her how like let me know

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Speaker 4: how you're feeling. And I want to try to show

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Speaker 4: up for you in the ways that I can, and

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Speaker 4: it's like such a beautiful synergy when that happens. I

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Speaker 4: know that was a big game changer for my partner

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Speaker 4: and I. You know, Johnny, he was clueless and so

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Speaker 4: was I, and we would fight and he would have

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Speaker 4: no idea why. It was like, I don't understand why

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Speaker 4: I can show up the exact same way last week

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Speaker 4: and this week it doesn't work the same for you.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, that's because I'm a different person this week, basically,

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Speaker 4: Like that's what it feels like. So I think tracking

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Speaker 4: your cycle, understanding if there are any like reoccurring things,

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Speaker 4: and just pay attention to that and then and then

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Speaker 4: adjust accordingly. So if you you're like, oh, I noticed

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Speaker 4: that's really interesting. You know day you know, day twelve

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Speaker 4: to fourteen, I'm feeling really great. It's like Estron's high.

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Speaker 4: You get ovulation and it's like feeling okay after that,

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Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden boom, like I noticed

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Speaker 4: that there's and it's always like on these okay, okay,

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Speaker 4: Well maybe that's a time when you plan ahead, you

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Speaker 4: have the massage schedule during that time, you know, say honey,

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Speaker 4: like I'd like you to pick up the kids from

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Speaker 4: school this day, or maybe he will offer. If you're

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Speaker 4: both communicating well and like you kind of know that

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Speaker 4: this trend is coming, so then it's like maybe we

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Speaker 4: could actually look forward to it.

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Speaker 2: So many women dread the ludio phase because it sucks.

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Speaker 4: If you're trying to operate the same way you have

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Speaker 4: been with the same workload, with the same expectation, with

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Speaker 4: the same management, with the same everything. It gets much

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Speaker 4: harder typically to do that. In the ludio phase, we can,

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Speaker 4: but at what cost? What do we do to our hormones?

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Speaker 1: And it's almost like you found with trying to do

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Speaker 1: the same workouts and wondering why why do I suck?

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Speaker 1: That can be used full information, whether someone's exercising, whether

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Speaker 1: they're at work, going why does this feel so much

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Speaker 1: harder just putting some awareness of like, oh, okay, that

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Speaker 1: makes sense, and guess what things are going to be

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Speaker 1: fine in X amount of days, so I'll just adapt

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Speaker 1: to the yeah, circumstances exactly.

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Speaker 4: So it's like those really subtle changes, a little bit

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Speaker 4: of awareness just goes a long way.

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Speaker 3: We're going to break.

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Speaker 1: And then we'll talk about why Misha, after retiring, decided

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Speaker 1: to un retire and get back into the ring. What

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Speaker 1: prompted you to go back to fighting?

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Speaker 2: After I had retired.

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Speaker 4: I was gone for about four years and I met

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Speaker 4: Johnny and we had two kids, and the pandemic hit

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Speaker 4: and I think that was a time of self reflection

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Speaker 4: for a lot of us. Right we were kind of

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Speaker 4: stuck indoors as there was less things going on. It's

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Speaker 4: just like, Okay. I started to asking myself, like what

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Speaker 4: do I want o't life? And I kind of quickly

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Speaker 4: came to the realization that I wasn't done with fighting.

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Speaker 4: I had fallen out of love with fighting. I had

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Speaker 4: a bitter taste in my mouth for fighting, but not

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Speaker 4: so much because of fighting, but because I lacked the

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Speaker 4: ability to show up in the ways that were good

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Speaker 4: and healthy for me. And now that I was in

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Speaker 4: a different position with a supportive partner and to kill.

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Speaker 1: Basically, once you got out of that relationship, that started

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Speaker 1: to fix a lot of things.

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Speaker 3: That I found someone who.

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Speaker 4: Well, removing the toxicity helps, That helps, remove the poison

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Speaker 4: that does help.

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Speaker 2: That helps.

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Speaker 4: But I also had to do a lot of soul

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Speaker 4: searching I went after I retired, I basically packed my

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Speaker 4: car and I just started driving. Interesting I was in

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Speaker 4: Las Vegas. I just literally got in the car with

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Speaker 4: my little dog and I headed towards the coast, and

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Speaker 4: then I drove up the coastline, and for the first

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Speaker 4: time in my life, I really just tried to see

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Speaker 4: what came to me, like, what spoke to me, and

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Speaker 4: what did I want? What did I want at that moment,

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Speaker 4: what choice that I want to make? And I just

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01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 4: allowed myself to be a very free person. I had

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Speaker 4: been so diligent and regimented and tried to be as

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Speaker 4: perfect as I could be with every single meal I

1442
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 4: had eaten down to every single you know, two three,

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Speaker 4: four workouts a day. I've just been so locked down

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01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 4: for so many years of my life, basically all of

1445
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Speaker 4: my twenties, that I didn't know how to just be

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Speaker 4: a free bird. And so when I retired after that fight,

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Speaker 4: I remember hitting a very dark moment where I was

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01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 4: onto contemplating take in my own life because I didn't.

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Speaker 4: I thought I was a loser. It was the first

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01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:44,719
Speaker 4: time I'd lost two fights in a row. I didn't

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Speaker 4: have any value in myself other than being a fighter,

1452
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:51,759
Speaker 4: or very very little, and I remember in that moment

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01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 4: really thinking about it, is my life still worth living

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01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 4: or should I just end it now? And there was

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Speaker 4: like a pinhole of light in the room, and to me,

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01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 4: that was my spirituality. That was the only thing in

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Speaker 4: that moment that I had. It didn't have a person

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01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 4: around me, I didn't have anyone that I felt like

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Speaker 4: would understand exactly what I was going through except for God.

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Speaker 2: And so I said a prayer and that was my

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Speaker 2: saving grace.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, So I didn't know what to do, but I

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01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:26,759
Speaker 4: knew it wasn't working, so I had half of the answer.

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Speaker 4: I was like, well, this isn't working, so I don't

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Speaker 4: know what will, but I'm going to stop doing this

1466
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 4: because right the definition of insanity is to keep doing

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Speaker 4: the same thing and expecting a different outcome. So I

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Speaker 4: just did something totally different and it basically started my

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Speaker 4: healing journey. I started guiding, and then I met people

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Speaker 4: and I talked with experts and I read books.

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Speaker 2: And I was I mean, there's so much more to it.

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Speaker 3: But I.

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Speaker 4: Basically realized, like I was very good at disassociating anything

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01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 4: that came from my childhood. You know, my parents fought

1475
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 4: a lot, and I love my parents. You know, it's

1476
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,719
Speaker 4: never a bash session on them. I don't really believe

1477
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 4: in that because I know that my parents did the

1478
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 4: best that they could with the skills and the tools

1479
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Speaker 4: that they had. But you know, I read three of

1480
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 4: doctor gab Gabor Matt's books and it was it was

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01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:17,640
Speaker 4: life changing for me.

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01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, wow, this is what trauma can do.

1483
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Speaker 4: And he's the one that says, you know, eighty percent

1484
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 4: of gave the statistics eighty percent of autoimmune disease exists

1485
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 4: in women when we operate against ourselves, you know, the

1486
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 4: body autoimmune is like just the body fighting the body,

1487
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 4: the body not distinguishing self from self. Like it's like,

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01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 4: oh this is foreign, but it's you. Well, Like, isn't

1489
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 4: that kind of what we do when we force ourselves

1490
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 4: to live in a stressful environment. It's like our bodies

1491
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:46,600
Speaker 4: saying no. We want to say no, but we override

1492
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:49,799
Speaker 4: it and we fight ourselves. And so is that possible

1493
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 4: that we manifest that deep down into our body, our

1494
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 4: cellular level, where it's like some parts of us are

1495
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 4: saying yes, some parts are saying no, and so all

1496
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 4: of a sudden there's a fight.

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Speaker 2: We know that.

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Speaker 4: Stress is not good for autoimmune disease. We know that

1499
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 4: it can trigger ms, it can flare things. You know,

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01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 4: you get a stressful event, you get your EGZMA pops up.

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01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 4: You know, it's very clear that stress is not good

1502
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 4: for that. So I basically did the opposite. By the

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01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:17,600
Speaker 4: way I used to have EZMA, I used to have

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01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 4: it like pretty chronically during that time in my life.

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Speaker 2: I would have it like my wrists on the top

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01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 2: of my head.

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Speaker 4: I have not had it, wow since then, it is

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01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 4: that wild.

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01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, for years I had it and I was just

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01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 2: so on this.

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Speaker 1: So you pack your car with your dog and you

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01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 1: just start to figure things out and then your life changes.

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01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, one one onion layer at a time. There's a

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01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:41,600
Speaker 2: lot of layers. I mean, if we're really you know,

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Speaker 2: simplifying it in a broad stroke, yeah, that was. That

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Speaker 2: was the start of it. It was. And reconnecting with family.

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Speaker 2: I think that was really big.

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Speaker 4: I'd isolated myself a lot from I hadn't talked to

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Speaker 4: my mom and years and I barely talked to my dad,

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01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,600
Speaker 4: and there's just so much family that I had not

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01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 4: nourished or reconnected a lot of relationships. So I started

1522
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 4: doing that, calling people, texting people on my way, and

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01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 4: then I would randomly end up, you know, meeting with

1524
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 4: people along the way and be like, oh, you know,

1525
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 4: I haven't talked this person before. We're like, oh, great,

1526
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 4: well I'm going through here. I'm going through there, like

1527
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 4: let's meet up. And it was really cool. It was

1528
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 4: a very healing, nice yeah.

1529
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 3: And so then what was the decision to go back

1530
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 3: to fighting.

1531
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 4: Then, Well, as we got to the pandemic part, right,

1532
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:22,759
Speaker 4: I really started to break down why I had stopped

1533
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 4: fighting and revisit the idea of, you know, fighting, because

1534
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 4: I asked myself, what do I want?

1535
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 2: We're in this four slowdown, where am I going?

1536
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 4: I'm living in Singapore by the way right now, and

1537
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 4: I'm like eight and a half months pregnant with my son.

1538
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 4: So it was just a moment of deep self reflection

1539
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 4: and really deciding when trying to figure out what my

1540
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 4: next direction was. And I just knew I wanted to fight.

1541
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 4: I knew I wanted to do it again, and not

1542
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 4: because I wanted to just come back and win and

1543
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 4: all the things. It was because I wanted an opportunity

1544
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 4: to do it the right way. For once I had

1545
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 4: done it the hardest way possible and I'd still managed

1546
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 4: to become a world champion, and I wanted to know

1547
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 4: what it would feel like if I could do it

1548
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 4: with synergy and work with myself. And I wanted to

1549
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 4: really shake the hand of the woman who is the

1550
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 4: best version of me, and I got to do that.

1551
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 4: I got to do that. So that was the feather

1552
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 4: of my cap. And that's what makes me feel like

1553
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 4: there's nothing I'm missing. I've turned over every stone in

1554
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 4: this sport. I've worked through the most, you know, the

1555
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 4: deepest adversities in my life, and I've unpacked things and

1556
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 4: I've done what I set out to.

1557
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,600
Speaker 2: Do, and that was bigger for me than winning a

1558
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:44,520
Speaker 2: world championship.

1559
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 3: What does that tell you about finding your limits?

1560
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 2: You know it?

1561
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 4: I think it tells me that we're limitless. I don't

1562
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 4: even think I've found my limit, to be honest. But

1563
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 4: time will change the ways that you want to approach

1564
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 4: the pursuit of your limits. And when you fulfill certain

1565
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 4: buckets in your life, it feels really good to move

1566
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 4: on to the other ones. So many opportunities and so

1567
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 4: many directions that life can take us, but it's not

1568
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 4: until I think that we sometimes find the buckets that

1569
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 4: don't work for us through failure and success, and then

1570
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 4: we fill the buckets that are meaningful in our life,

1571
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 4: and then we're like, Okay, that's good, that one's full.

1572
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 2: I can move on.

1573
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 4: I wanted to pursue this other bucket, and I think

1574
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 4: for me, I left the sport with a bucket half full,

1575
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 4: so I knew I wanted to come back, and I

1576
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 4: wanted to figure it out, and I wanted to feel

1577
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 4: what it felt like to work, not in spite of anymore.

1578
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:49,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you feel.

1579
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: Like the messages for women in particular? I feel like

1580
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 1: you're an interesting case because in high school you're like,

1581
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm doing that thing where it's only dudes, and you

1582
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 1: followed this career path that is somewhat untraditional and learned

1583
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,599
Speaker 1: a lot along the way. It's like, kind of what's

1584
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 1: the what's the message you would give?

1585
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 6: Oh, I would honestly just say maybe this sounds cliche,

1586
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 6: but I really mean it is like, do the hard things,

1587
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 6: take the risk, because you are going to assume more failures,

1588
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 6: but it's all for the greater good.

1589
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 2: It's all for finding out what you're really made of,

1590
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 2: and that is the that is the best feeling, that

1591
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 2: is the win.

1592
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1593
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 4: I think winning for me has changed definition so many

1594
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 4: times throughout my life and my career, everything from you know,

1595
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 4: wrestling to fighting to winning in life. And I realized

1596
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 4: the biggest wins in life are when you can show

1597
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 4: up and conquer and move through. And it's it's not

1598
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 4: the trying to avoid the hard thing, is knowing that

1599
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:06,639
Speaker 4: you can do the hard thing.

1600
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 2: Knowing that you can get through the hard thing. That

1601
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 2: is my goal.

1602
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 4: That's my goal for my kids, That's my goal for me,

1603
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 4: is to never feel like I can't do something hard.

1604
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 4: If I put my mind to it, I can do

1605
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 4: whatever the challenge is, or I can get through whatever

1606
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:22,759
Speaker 4: the challenge is, whether I planned for it or I didn't.

1607
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 4: Who can't plan for all of them? But I know

1608
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 4: that I have the ability to do hard things and

1609
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 4: it's one of the best wins in life.

1610
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 1: I love it amazing. Final question, do you keep up

1611
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 1: with UFC and upcoming fights?

1612
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1613
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 2: I do somewhat. I'm not a you know, I'm not

1614
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 2: a guru.

1615
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 4: There's a lot of people who do a way better

1616
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 4: job than I do, but I try to.

1617
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 1: Is there a fight in particular for the Freedom two

1618
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: point fifty that you're looking forward to?

1619
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, justin Gaigchee's fight. Yeah, Yeah, I'm a big fan

1620
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:54,719
Speaker 4: of Justin Gachee. I think that he's such a cool

1621
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 4: person and he's such a warrior. I mean, he just

1622
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,839
Speaker 4: encapsulates I think what it means to be a warrior,

1623
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 4: really down to earth person. So I mean it helps

1624
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,720
Speaker 4: when I like the person as well. You know, he's

1625
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 4: a good buddy of Johnny's. He's a friend of mine

1626
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:10,679
Speaker 4: as well. He's a super good guy and he's a savage.

1627
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 4: He's a warrior, So very looking forward to that fight.

1628
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 3: I love it.

1629
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 1: Well, Misha, thanks so much for coming on. Thank you,

1630
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 1: thanks for checking out the show, and thanks to Misha

1631
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 1: for coming in the studio. Our producer Robbie would especially

1632
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 1: like to thank Misha because I tried as hard as

1633
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 1: I could to get her to choke him out on camera.

1634
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:28,839
Speaker 3: She wouldn't do it. Robbie's thankful.

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01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,720
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01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,040
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1639
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:42,360
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1640
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