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Speaker 2: We'll see Are you forced? Really? Like, are you forced

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Speaker 2: like they almost did. Do does do their fortunes change?

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Speaker 1: Maybe?

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Speaker 2: No? I mean you can't get you can't forget Altuve,

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Speaker 1: It's not just about that. I'm just saying the complexion,

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Speaker 2: But you have to have an answer to it. You

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Speaker 3: I think we might get someone who might know the answers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well he has the answer. Jack is just really

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Speaker 1: Let's do a good ten minutes here with Jack Fritz

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Speaker 1: from a ninety four to one wip in Philadelphia. Jack,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us, and let's actually start with the

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Speaker 4: Well, first off, I'm excited to be here. I can't believe.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure they're gonna move on from some core pieces,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned far away, not too far away, but

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's uh, he hits tanks. Unfortunately for the Phillies,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of the way the game ended yesterday, what

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Speaker 4: I think like four to one twenty feels about right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, good stuff, Well we got all our questions in

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Speaker 1: a good ten. Jack We appreciate the time, man, have

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Speaker 1: fun as you can talk them sports for a living.

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Speaker 1: At least Mat Kratz, I'm trying to give him a

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Speaker 2: On Philly Flyers, Eagles and Philly's lost. It's a tough day,

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Speaker 2: great day for you, Jackie boy.

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Speaker 4: Heads are falling off with the Eagles and uh and yeah,

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Speaker 1: Hey, hot corner, let's sizzle. This news just came out.

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Speaker 1: Jose Gleasias has been slapped with a one game suspension

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Speaker 1: Are we suspending guys for next year?

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Speaker 3: Let things that happen last year die with their season

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Speaker 2: So the umpires go like when there's like a separate

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Speaker 2: It just felt like everybody was set up for failure

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Speaker 1: It's not good, okay. I think most people agree that

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Speaker 2: You can't you Okay, the answer, The answer is there's

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Speaker 3: let's just make sure that the get off the field

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Speaker 1: But last point here too, there is security that MLB

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Speaker 1: Bingo. I really think that's the move. Good. We have solved.

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Speaker 1: We have solved world.

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Speaker 5: You're welcome.

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Speaker 3: You're welcome, rob.

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Speaker 1: Baseball world problem that has plagued us all Pick Your

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Speaker 1: Poison is a now famous series where you suddenly have

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Speaker 1: to root for a different team because you love baseball

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Speaker 1: too damn much and you don't want to just watch

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Speaker 1: to watch, So which team do you want to ride

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Speaker 1: the rest of the way? And it becomes more difficult

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Speaker 1: as we progress here in the postseason. But it's the

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Speaker 1: perfect day to have KP on the show to talk

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Speaker 1: about the Toronto Blue Jays and why some baseball fans

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Speaker 1: should adopt the team in Canada. The rest of the way,

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Speaker 1: KP played for this team for a long time. You

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Speaker 1: know this franchise well. The way they treat their fans,

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Speaker 1: the way they treat players. The fact that they haven't

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Speaker 1: won since nineteen ninety three, over thirty years ago, tell

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Speaker 1: us why some fans who don't know the Blue Jays

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Speaker 1: organization well should grab them for the next few weeks.

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Speaker 3: Where do I start?

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Speaker 5: Where do I start?

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Speaker 3: Unbelievable fan base, super deserving of winning, very passionate. Like

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Speaker 3: you mentioned, they haven't won since the early nineties, but

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Speaker 3: they still come out and support their team. They love baseball,

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Speaker 3: they love all their sports. They're starving for a winner.

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Speaker 3: They come in year out, year year in and year out.

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Speaker 3: Support this team. Reasons if you're a fan and your

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Speaker 3: team's no longer in it, why you should root for

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Speaker 3: the Blue Jays. I have a couple of notes here,

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Speaker 3: wrote down during that Yankee series, they had eight guys

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Speaker 3: with two plus RBIs, They had eighteen two strike hits,

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Speaker 3: and in Game four, facing a guy in cam who

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Speaker 3: struck out twelve Red Sox in the wild cut round.

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Speaker 3: I need someone to check these stats, but I think

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Speaker 3: they only had four swing and misses. So if you

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Speaker 3: want to watch exciting and a fun brand of baseball

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Speaker 3: where you're not just waiting for one guy at a

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Speaker 3: home run or they're going to strike out, or they're

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Speaker 3: going to walk, and be this three outcome team. This

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Speaker 3: team is always exciting to watch. Their bats are incredible.

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Speaker 3: They're so selfless, they never want to talk about themselves.

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Speaker 3: This is the definition of a team, and I think

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Speaker 3: this is why you should get behind them.

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Speaker 2: If you're going to join a team, if you're going

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Speaker 2: to join a fan base that you have, or follow

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Speaker 2: a team that you haven't, you got to at least

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Speaker 2: follow one player. I talked about the Mariners Cal Raley.

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Speaker 2: This team just minted. I mean the ink is still

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Speaker 2: drying on the Vladi Guerrero extension. A guy who was

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Speaker 2: drafted by this team, not traded over and found like

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Speaker 2: he was drafted by the Blue Jays. He came up

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Speaker 2: through their system. His manager now in the big leagues

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Speaker 2: was his double a manager in in New Hampshire. They

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Speaker 2: won championships there. That combination of two guys is going

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Speaker 2: to give you that. Like, man, I can get behind

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Speaker 2: these guys every single day. I can get behind Vladdie.

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Speaker 2: The lineage of his ability to hit comes from his dad,

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Speaker 2: and yet now he also added to that plate discipline.

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Speaker 2: He added to that this postseason. I don't remember his

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Speaker 2: final numbers, but it was like six something that he

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Speaker 2: was hitting like he is rising to the moment. And

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Speaker 2: to me, if I'm joining a fan base, I can

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Speaker 2: I know I'm gonna I know, I'm gonna look at

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Speaker 2: this roster. I'm gonna be like, I know, Vladdie's playing

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Speaker 2: every single day, so I'm gonna other organizations it's like, oh, man, Like, okay,

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Speaker 2: well we're platooning. So my favorite guys hitting first. Now

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Speaker 2: it's a lefty. Now he's gonna hit six. No, Vladdie's

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Speaker 2: the heart and soul of that order, and everybody else

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Speaker 2: just kind of follows along.

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Speaker 1: For me, KP, I consider myself a new school and

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Speaker 1: old school fan. I like certain stats. I think they're

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Speaker 1: super helpful. I think we were too reliant fifteen, twenty

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Speaker 1: years ago or whatever when I was growing up on

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Speaker 1: stats that you know, didn't necessarily tell the whole picture. Okay,

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, there were parts of the

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Speaker 1: game that I fell in love with that I felt

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Speaker 1: like we got so far away from during one of

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Speaker 1: the more dead times in our sport, where I think

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Speaker 1: we lost a lot of young fans. Three true outcome,

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Speaker 1: super super slow paced games. We are getting away from that,

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Speaker 1: and for me, if you're a fan of the time

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Speaker 1: period before that and the time period that I think

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Speaker 1: we're getting out of, where it's faster, it is more contact,

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Speaker 1: there's more emphasis on defense, and that's what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: Our defensive metrics perfect by no means, but we had

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Speaker 1: nothing for a long period of time growing up. So

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Speaker 1: at least we have something, and that's something tells us

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Speaker 1: When you look at Toronto aside from the Game three

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Speaker 1: loss over the last three years, and you watch them

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Speaker 1: play defense, you're like, Yeah, that's fun, that's clean, that's good.

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Speaker 1: That's what young kids should look at. Right. So for me,

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Speaker 1: if you want that brand of baseball to become more

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Speaker 1: of a thing, then you want that team to win

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Speaker 1: the World Series because it's a copycat league, and then

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Speaker 1: front offices are going to be like, oh wait, they're

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Speaker 1: going to go jumping back to their computers. Wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: what are the Blue Jays doing? We aren't doing this.

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Speaker 1: We got to get more into contact defense, a little

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Speaker 1: bit more of an old school style that Eric Chabez,

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Speaker 1: former hitting coach for the Mets, just talked about with

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Speaker 1: us on foul territory a day ago. So I think

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Speaker 1: that actually is a factor here. If you enjoy a

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Speaker 1: certain brand of baseball, then you want that brand of

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Speaker 1: baseball to win, and you will see more of it

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Speaker 1: in the sport.

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Speaker 3: I do believe that they're a top five, maybe number

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Speaker 3: one in base running. Two. So let's changed the narrative

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Speaker 3: on the on the three true outcomes. Let's talk about

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Speaker 3: the Blue Jays three outcomes. They're gonna put the ball

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Speaker 3: in play, they're gonna run the base as well, and

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Speaker 3: they're gonna play defense. Those are your new three true outcomes.

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Speaker 3: Most teams should follow that recipe. It helps you win.

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Speaker 2: Games, but you gotta put a value on it. You

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Speaker 2: gotta put a value on it. What do you mean

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Speaker 2: there's any elite value in stolen strikes. There's an elite

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Speaker 2: value in home runs, there's an elite value for pitchers

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Speaker 2: striking out. You have to put a value on it.

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Speaker 2: That's going to be manipulated and be able to be taught,

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Speaker 2: because you can never have hit and you can be

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Speaker 2: taught to swing really hard and hit the ball far.

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Speaker 2: You can't have ever, never played and be taught and

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Speaker 2: teach somebody. Okay, here's how your base run. You're Dave McKay.

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Speaker 2: That's I mean, that's really what Dalton Varshow brought over

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Speaker 2: to the Blue Jays his elite based running, and everybody

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Speaker 2: followed suit from what he was taught by Dave McKay.

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Speaker 2: So you have to find that value and you have

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Speaker 2: to prove to the organizations that that value is more

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Speaker 2: than the extreme value of a home run, extreme value

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Speaker 2: of strikeouts by pitchers.

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Speaker 1: I'll throw one other pick your poison example out there,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we have plenty of Canadians that watch

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Speaker 1: this show. We have many Americans that watch this show.

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Speaker 1: I often root for fan bases that don't get a

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Speaker 1: lot of winning because I think it's cool when you

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Speaker 1: haven't seen it for a long period of time. And

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Speaker 1: I just mentioned the team right, the Blue Jays not

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Speaker 1: winning since nineteen ninety three. I think I have this right, KP.

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Speaker 1: Because I did work for NHL Network for a while

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Speaker 1: and I looked it up real quick. But the last

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Speaker 1: Canadian team to win the Stanley Cup, it's hard to

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Speaker 1: believe it, but I think it's nineteen ninety three, right,

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Speaker 1: the Montreal Canadians think that's what they say.

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Speaker 5: Right, I definitely knows the country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not the Leafs. When's the last time the.

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Speaker 3: Leaves are much the Leafs are? You know, in Toronto,

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Speaker 3: it's a big thing. They haven't won in forever, but

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Speaker 3: people still love the team like they go out and

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Speaker 3: support them, like the country, the city of Toronto. But

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Speaker 3: you have to mention the entire country of Canada wants

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Speaker 3: a winner so bad, and basketball is not even that

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Speaker 3: big of a deal. In it's a big deal in

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Speaker 3: Toronto and maybe a little bit on the east coast

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Speaker 3: of Canada. As you get out west, it's not a

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Speaker 3: big thing. They had over four million people at the

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Speaker 3: parade for when the Raptors wanted a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 3: So these people are just wanting to see a winner

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Speaker 3: so bad.

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Speaker 1: If you want baseball to continue to be in an

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Speaker 1: international sport, then every once in a while, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: get another country pulling off a dub, especially when there's

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Speaker 1: only one team in Canada, there's one team outside of

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Speaker 1: the United States, right so we've seen the sport really

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Speaker 1: go to the next level globally, especially in Japan with

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Speaker 1: the emergence of Sho Heeo Tani as one of the

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Speaker 1: best players we've really ever seen. So for Canada purposes

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Speaker 1: right now, this is a country that hasn't seen any

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Speaker 1: winner in their favorite sports since nineteen ninety three. Toronto

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Speaker 1: specifically hasn't won since nineteen sixty seven. So there's some

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Speaker 1: cool history here that could be cracked and it'd be

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Speaker 1: funny if finally they get a title from sports that

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Speaker 1: they truly love, on the baseball side before the hockey side.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, if there's something else that you think we're missing,

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Speaker 1: reason whyse drop it in the comments if you're looking

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Speaker 1: at this later