Speaker 1: Kabooms.
Speaker 2: If you thought four hours a day, twelve hundred minutes
Speaker 2: a week was enough, think again. He's the last remnants
Speaker 2: of the old Republic, a soul fashion of fairness. He
Speaker 2: treats crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the
Speaker 2: rich pill poppers in the penthouse.
Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller starts right now.
Speaker 3: In the air everywhere, The Fifth Hour with Ben Mahler
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Speaker 3: with us on today's pod as we kick off the weekend,
Speaker 3: because hey, four hours a night on the overnight clearly
Speaker 3: not enough.
Speaker 1: In this podcast available wherever you have found the podcast
Speaker 1: in pretty much everywhere in the iHeart podcast network. You
Speaker 1: knew all that stuff. And we'll get the Komodo dragon
Speaker 1: out of the room as we begin the pod. Why
Speaker 1: are you doing the podcast but you didn't do the
Speaker 1: overnight show yet? So I was away from my post
Speaker 1: and some of you went batshit crazy because I was
Speaker 1: away from my post for a couple of nights here
Speaker 1: doing the family thing at a family assignment. But it's
Speaker 1: only a couple of nights. And I still am doing
Speaker 1: the podcast. The podcast is easy to do because it's
Speaker 1: not in the middle of the night. I'm not tied
Speaker 1: down somewhere where people are sleeping and all that. I
Speaker 1: can do the podcast when a more proper time, a
Speaker 1: more proper time to enjoy audio content and to do
Speaker 1: audio content, which is just terrific. So we're doing the podcast.
Speaker 1: I'll have the pod all weekend. Obviously. Today is it's
Speaker 1: the twelfth day of April, and I am celebrating a
Speaker 1: teeny bit National Grilled Cheese Sandwich Day, which is always
Speaker 1: a big day in the house. There are a few
Speaker 1: things better than a well made Chris be cheese melted
Speaker 1: on top of the bread, just outstanding, outstanding a National
Speaker 1: grilled Cheese Day, and occasionally you can mix it up. Now,
Speaker 1: at what point does it not become a grilled cheese?
Speaker 1: Is that a when you put like a little pastrami
Speaker 1: in there, and then it's no longer a grilled cheese.
Speaker 1: But it's mostly a grilled cheese. It's just a little pastrami.
Speaker 1: You can put any kind of meat you want it.
Speaker 1: But I'm a big grilled cheese guy, big grilled cheese guy.
Speaker 1: Love it's also big wind day today, so that's always
Speaker 1: a exciting day. On the twelfth of April. Who comes
Speaker 1: up with this crap? Well, on today's podcast, we will
Speaker 1: have a Malor film review. That's right, a Malar film review,
Speaker 1: just the content you've been looking forward to. Also have
Speaker 1: the phrase of the week as well, and whatever else
Speaker 1: pops up on the pod. But we begin with this.
Speaker 1: So I got tipped off a couple of weeks back.
Speaker 1: Some of my radio minions were like, Hey, did you
Speaker 1: hear there's this documentary about a radio guy? And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, really, I didn't think they made documentaries
Speaker 1: about radio guys anymore. It's all about those cool podcasters, right,
Speaker 1: everyone wants to be a podcaster. But sure enough I
Speaker 1: heard a little more about it, and then I had
Speaker 1: to track it down. Now the documentary, let's see if
Speaker 1: you can figure out who it's about. This is. This
Speaker 1: is not a dead giveaway at all, right, not a
Speaker 1: dead giveaway at all. The documentary is called Henry. Who
Speaker 1: could that possibly be about? Who could that possibly be about?
Speaker 1: A documentary named Henry ding Ding ding ding nang. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well it turns out that is a dead giveaway. So
Speaker 1: this thing just came out at least I just became
Speaker 1: aware of it. And it is a documentary that tracks
Speaker 1: the career of a Hall of famer in radio, Phil Henry,
Speaker 1: as it's described in the bio for the film, a
Speaker 1: radio genius whose satirical brilliance reshaped comedy. And then and
Speaker 1: they brought in a bunch of these real heavyweights in Hollywood,
Speaker 1: like Judd Apatow and people all on that line. There's
Speaker 1: some one of the people from the Simpsons who were
Speaker 1: fans of Phil Henry liked Phil Henry, and then they
Speaker 1: had Phil was in there as well, and then it
Speaker 1: went behind the microphone. The Impact of the Phil Henry
Speaker 1: Show is a documentary ran for like a hour and
Speaker 1: a half, a little over an hour and a half.
Speaker 1: So I found out about it and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I want to get it, and how do you get it?
Speaker 1: And then you're like, well, it wasn't streaming that many places.
Speaker 1: It was on Amazon Prime for like five bucks, and
Speaker 1: since I'm in radio, I'm like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I want to do that. So then I started snooping around,
Speaker 1: like how can I watch it without having to pay
Speaker 1: the five bucks? And I found this weird app on
Speaker 1: my dive into the dark web, and I came across
Speaker 1: this thing called let me let me find it on
Speaker 1: my phone here and just beare with me. It's called Hooplah.
Speaker 1: Never heard of that. It is a app through your
Speaker 1: local library and you can watch documentaries, TV shows, audio
Speaker 1: books for free. But you gonna have a library card.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I don't have a library card, so I had to
Speaker 1: pivot and I had to find one. I could have
Speaker 1: signed up and that would have been easy to do
Speaker 1: online and all that, but I was like, I don't why.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to ease my wife, though she of
Speaker 1: course loves loves the books, all about the books and
Speaker 1: all that, and so she was able to track down
Speaker 1: the library card, which then allowed me to get on
Speaker 1: said app. Well, originally it was the website. It was
Speaker 1: on the website watching it. I tried to watch it.
Speaker 1: I had to save it, but then you had to
Speaker 1: come back after midnight because only a certain number of
Speaker 1: people could get it, and there was a lot of
Speaker 1: hoops he had to jump through. But I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: it's free, I'll save five bucks. Why not That'll buy
Speaker 1: like one chicken nugget or something like that. When I'm
Speaker 1: out to eat. So I go on the website, I
Speaker 1: type in the past code, library card, wife's information and
Speaker 1: get to the thing is all right, you've saved the
Speaker 1: Hendri documentary. I'm like, all right, hallelujah, I have saved
Speaker 1: the Hendri documentary. I'm ready to go. So then I
Speaker 1: clicked to watch it and it was like, well, no,
Speaker 1: you have to You can't watch it on this device.
Speaker 1: It's only available you have to download our app. And
Speaker 1: so I'm like, oh, well, this is a pain in
Speaker 1: the ass, but I wanted to watch it. I was
Speaker 1: motivated because I appreciate radio people, because this is my
Speaker 1: professional career, what I've done my entire adult life. And
Speaker 1: so I downloaded the stupid app and then I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I will just connect it from the app to the
Speaker 1: big TV. Right, you do that phone the TV thing,
Speaker 1: and you can send the stream and you can watch
Speaker 1: it on your television and it's just like you're watching
Speaker 1: it the regular way, and that's how you do it.
Speaker 1: And so then I kept clicking on the anything wouldn't work,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, oh, I'm fuxing around with it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the hell? And I just would not work.
Speaker 1: I could not get the documentary. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: how stupid are the people behind this app? Wouldn't you
Speaker 1: think the whole point of it is for people to
Speaker 1: enjoy the content they're getting from their tax dollars that
Speaker 1: they're going to subsidize the library, and they would like
Speaker 1: to watch on the television. But it wouldn't work. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe it was a user error. It's possible right that
Speaker 1: something I did did not resonate with the phone and
Speaker 1: the TV. But either way, it did not work, and
Speaker 1: so I ended up having to watch this thing on
Speaker 1: my phone. But I enjoyed it. In fact, I liked
Speaker 1: it so much I actually watched it a couple of times.
Speaker 1: And so now it is the Malor film review for
Speaker 1: Henry the Documentary. I should start out first of all
Speaker 1: with the fact that you might not know who Phil
Speaker 1: Henry is, Like, I know who Phil Henry is because
Speaker 1: I've worked in RAID. I should have met Phil Henry
Speaker 1: a couple of times. More on that later in this podcast,
Speaker 1: so I know the act. He was a big star
Speaker 1: in radio in the late nineties early two thousand. In fact,
Speaker 1: right around the time that I came to Fox Sports Radio,
Speaker 1: FOXS Radio lodged Phil Henry was nationally syndicated at the
Speaker 1: Premiere Networks, which is where I work at. Fox Sports
Speaker 1: Radio is a part of the Premiere Radio Networks. It
Speaker 1: was of the Premier radio networks. Now it's just Premiere
Speaker 1: Networks that got rid of the radio. And Phil was
Speaker 1: doing a syndicated show at night, and his whole shtick
Speaker 1: is he is the host, he is the guest, and
Speaker 1: he just has this amazing ability of sashing his way
Speaker 1: through a steeplechase on a nightly basis, and he's able
Speaker 1: to hornswaggle the listeners and it it's great if you
Speaker 1: get it, it's great. If you don't get it, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: And there was a point I didn't really get to
Speaker 1: Phil Hendry show. He started out. When I first heard him,
Speaker 1: he was on KFI in Los Angeles, big news talk station,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, this is kind of stupid.
Speaker 1: And then the more I listened, and I was doing
Speaker 1: radio at the time, and I realized what he was
Speaker 1: doing and how he was using the people that call
Speaker 1: the show as putty, I thought, well, that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: So that was my first running with Phil Henry, is
Speaker 1: that I knew of him at KFI in LA and
Speaker 1: then I worked at Premiere and he had a syndicated
Speaker 1: show Premiere, so our paths crossed a couple of times.
Speaker 1: But he was doing satire. He was doing satire of
Speaker 1: talk radio, which I have been accused of doing when
Speaker 1: I talked to Marcel and Brooklyn or Cowboy and windsor
Speaker 1: or some of the other characters that call the show.
Speaker 1: The only difference between me and Phil Henry is I
Speaker 1: am not doing impersonations. They're real. They are real, they
Speaker 1: call in, they find me. I am not the one
Speaker 1: that is doing the voice right. I might bust the balls,
Speaker 1: I do that a lot. I like to bust balls,
Speaker 1: right and all that, but I'm not the one that
Speaker 1: is on the other side of the phone. Phil was
Speaker 1: the person on the other side of the phone as
Speaker 1: the guest, and he created all these fugazi characters. But
Speaker 1: his story. If you watch the documentary, I don't want
Speaker 1: to give the whole thing away, but I do recommend it.
Speaker 1: Help another radio guy out. Now. Phil's going to get
Speaker 1: some credit. Even though I'm a tightwad. And I went
Speaker 1: through the library to watch the documentary. You can even
Speaker 1: just cut out the middle man. Watch it on Amazon.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there'll be some other ways the way these
Speaker 1: things work down the line. If you're hell bent on
Speaker 1: getting the documentary for cheaper, probably get a cheaper down
Speaker 1: the line and all that. But I already watched it.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can get cheaper than free. And
Speaker 1: so it was fascinating as someone that has worked in
Speaker 1: the business a long time. Phil started out as a DJ,
Speaker 1: a regular disc jockey on music radio for seventeen years.
Speaker 1: This guy was your generic radio DDRE and just did
Speaker 1: the normal radio crap. And there was video of him
Speaker 1: as a DJ at KLAX here in Los Angeles ninety
Speaker 1: seven point one, which was a music station for a
Speaker 1: long time, became a talk station and now it's a
Speaker 1: news talk station. But Phil was there when it was
Speaker 1: a music station as a just a generic, boring ass DJ.
Speaker 1: And he said in the documentary that he had a
Speaker 1: midlife crisis he wanted to do talk radio. One of
Speaker 1: the inspirations was Rush Limbaugh of all people, that that
Speaker 1: was about the time when he decided early nineties. Henry
Speaker 1: in the documentary talks about how he decided, Hey, I
Speaker 1: want to go that direction because I'm tired of playing music.
Speaker 1: I hate and I don't even get to pick the music,
Speaker 1: and it stinks and all that stuff, and I would
Speaker 1: like to use my personality, and so he decided to
Speaker 1: getting talk radio. But Rush Limbaugh was one of his
Speaker 1: inspirations because Rush at that time was blowing up and
Speaker 1: was coming the voice most listened to guy and news
Speaker 1: talk radio and a lightning Rod and all that, and
Speaker 1: wasn't under control like a DJ had to be. When
Speaker 1: you're at DJ, you had to be under control. And
Speaker 1: so anyway, henteres sid, I'm gonna do it. And he
Speaker 1: got a couple of weekend shows at KFI, ironically enough
Speaker 1: where he would end up and just did boring generic
Speaker 1: news talk radio, which according I didn't hear any of it,
Speaker 1: but they said in the documentary it was just bad.
Speaker 1: You know. He was doing radio talk radio the way
Speaker 1: he thought talk radio needed to be. Anyway, he got
Speaker 1: laid off from that job or fired everyone to say
Speaker 1: it it was such as snooze that he lost the gig.
Speaker 1: And then he ended up getting a job mid days
Speaker 1: just north of La Proper in Ventura, in Ventur, which
Speaker 1: is north of La Some of the people that work
Speaker 1: at Fox Sports Radio live in Ventur it's that close
Speaker 1: to the San Fernando Valley studios of Fox Sports Radio,
Speaker 1: and so he went out there and that's where he
Speaker 1: was in his own element, and he just used his
Speaker 1: mind and created what became his life's work. All these
Speaker 1: dopey characters were part of his little neighborhood on the
Speaker 1: Phil Henry Show, and he talked about how that worked,
Speaker 1: the creative process behind it. So if you're really into
Speaker 1: Phil Hendry, it's great. I knew a little bit about him,
Speaker 1: like I said, but it's kind of cool to learn
Speaker 1: the art, the ancient art of broadcasting. So they talked
Speaker 1: about his time there and very controversial because as I
Speaker 1: have noticed from my work in radio and my years
Speaker 1: of doing the Overnight Show, there is a percentage. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shure what percentage is. It might be twenty percent,
Speaker 1: might be ten percent. Maybe it's only five percent that
Speaker 1: do not get the sarcasm, that don't get the bit.
Speaker 1: They're not in on it. They're completely beguiled by the bit,
Speaker 1: right They just they to them, it's a turd in
Speaker 1: the punch bowl, and they are just fair upset that
Speaker 1: this voice on the radio is mocking whatever they're mocking.
Speaker 1: In this case, Phil Henry was mocking the very medium
Speaker 1: of talk radio. And so those people are very voiceters.
Speaker 1: They're upset and they scream and shout and yell and
Speaker 1: they go lightning and thunder and all that. And so
Speaker 1: Phil Henry had to deal with this at this little
Speaker 1: small station in southern California that didn't have a very
Speaker 1: big transmitter and Mack, in those days, you couldn't listen
Speaker 1: to radio on an audio device like a phone. You
Speaker 1: had to listen on the old radio, like the old
Speaker 1: radio station that was it. You couldn't hear anything other
Speaker 1: than the transmitter. And so he created this show and
Speaker 1: they show did very well according to the documentary, but
Speaker 1: there were the haters and so the people that ran
Speaker 1: the radio station didn't know quite how to deal with this.
Speaker 1: But he had good ratings and so that's important. He
Speaker 1: was tearing up the dance floor, if you will, behind
Speaker 1: the microphone, and the ratings were coming in and he
Speaker 1: was doing very well, so that was great. So eventually
Speaker 1: he moved on. He said, well, I want to go
Speaker 1: to a bigger place, and I want to I want
Speaker 1: to create this into something bigger than it is. And
Speaker 1: the jibber jabber, continue, you got a job in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: They talked about his time in Atlanta. Not a good fit.
Speaker 1: Worked in Minneapolis. And these are a big heritage news
Speaker 1: talk stations. And when the term heritage is it's like
Speaker 1: a blue blood. They've been around forever. They have a
Speaker 1: built in audience. There's a certain pedigree of the listener
Speaker 1: to these type of operations. And so Phil Henry was
Speaker 1: not a fit because, again by his own admission, he
Speaker 1: was mocking the very medium that he was working on.
Speaker 1: And they talked about that, and he was beaming with
Speaker 1: pride how he was doing it, and he was very
Speaker 1: good at it. But when you're dropped in to one
Speaker 1: of these stations, it's kind of like showing up. The
Speaker 1: analogy I will use, it's like showing up to Yankee
Speaker 1: Stadium putting on the pench ripes and you've got rainbow
Speaker 1: hair and a bunch of piercings in your nose, and
Speaker 1: you've got a beard that looks like you're from a
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties metal band. Wouldn't fit, right, wouldn't fit. That's
Speaker 1: the Yankees, that's the iconic New York Yankees. You have
Speaker 1: to have your facial hair trimmed, and you have to
Speaker 1: be prim and proper, because that's what the Yankees doing.
Speaker 1: If not, you can blow it out right and blow
Speaker 1: it out you took us. And so that was what
Speaker 1: Henry did to talk radio. So anyway, bunced around, didn't
Speaker 1: work in Atlanta, got fired, went to Minnesota kind of work.
Speaker 1: And then a guy that fired him in Atlanta or
Speaker 1: helped his dismissal Atlanta, hired him for Miami. And that
Speaker 1: is where things really took off for him in Miami
Speaker 1: and the Phil Henry Show. And keep in mind that
Speaker 1: can't really happen now that this career path that Phil
Speaker 1: Henry went on is all but impossible in modern radio
Speaker 1: because there's not enough local programming and there's not enough
Speaker 1: people willing to pay for you to relocate the difference,
Speaker 1: and you would have to pay your own moving expenses
Speaker 1: to move around there. There was a point when I
Speaker 1: remember I went to school at Saddleback to learn about radio,
Speaker 1: and they put up one of the things we did
Speaker 1: in class. They had this DJ, and I forget the
Speaker 1: guy's name, and I apologize, but they talked about his
Speaker 1: DJ who had written some book about his life in radio,
Speaker 1: and this guy was like a military brat. He had
Speaker 1: lived and I'm not exaggerating here. It was like twenty
Speaker 1: five or twenty six cities. And he was a middle
Speaker 1: aged dude. He started in radio when around the age
Speaker 1: I started. I started in radio when I was nineteen.
Speaker 1: Danny started. He's not here today, but Danny started when
Speaker 1: he was younger, a little younger than me. But we
Speaker 1: were kids, right, We were teenagers starting in radio. And
Speaker 1: so at that time you could start out at eighteen
Speaker 1: or nineteen and move on up to a penthouse on
Speaker 1: the Upper East Side and work your way up and
Speaker 1: create the magic and all that, and move from city
Speaker 1: to city. And there's another old radio guy who he's
Speaker 1: had on the podcast, Ken Levine or ken Levine rather,
Speaker 1: and he's also talked about that experience where he was
Speaker 1: a DJ, and you work at different radio stations and
Speaker 1: move up. But you really can't do that anymore anyway.
Speaker 1: So Henry did it. He went to Miami, showed it
Speaker 1: very well in Miami, and then he ended up getting
Speaker 1: a gig back in Los Angeles at the station that
Speaker 1: had gotten rid of him originally, at KFI in LA.
Speaker 1: So he's come full circle. And then he gets a
Speaker 1: syndication with Premiere, So not only is he doing the
Speaker 1: night show locally in LA but now it's a syndicated show.
Speaker 1: And moving on. In the review the Malor Film review
Speaker 1: of the documentary, this one hit a little close to home.
Speaker 1: If you watch this documentary, they interviewed the program director
Speaker 1: of KFI, as they used to say back in Howard
Speaker 1: Stearns Day's well, pig vomit the pig vomit of KFI,
Speaker 1: and his name was David G. Hall. Still is fun fact,
Speaker 1: fun fact for you. I and Phil Hendry have something
Speaker 1: in common. I, Phil Henry, and Tom Likeas have something
Speaker 1: in common. Tom Like has a radio legend back in
Speaker 1: the day. Who's out of the business now as far
Speaker 1: as I know. But Phil Henry, Tom Likeas and me
Speaker 1: all were fired by David G. Hall. We all got
Speaker 1: let go by David G. Hall. And it was odd.
Speaker 1: It was odd seeing him on the documentary You fired,
Speaker 1: and he was in there several times. Bill Handel, who's
Speaker 1: a very talented broadcaster himself, who also used to make
Speaker 1: fat jokes at me when I worked across the hall
Speaker 1: near KFI back in the old days. But he was there.
Speaker 1: Phil Handle's handle on the Law, which is syndicated by
Speaker 1: the Premiere networks. Hear that occasionally on the weekend. So
Speaker 1: it was odd seeing some people that I knew in
Speaker 1: the documentary who were very loud and proud. Henry came
Speaker 1: back to La Got the syndicates show and they were
Speaker 1: pointing out one of the blessings and the curse. It's
Speaker 1: a double edged sword about Phil Henry. Those that worshiped
Speaker 1: him didn't have a problem with Phil Henry. Obviously a
Speaker 1: lot of people didn't. I said the percentage maybe twenty percent,
Speaker 1: maybe ten, maybe only five, but a certain percentage of
Speaker 1: people that listen to radio content audio content just it
Speaker 1: goes right over their head. They don't understand that there's
Speaker 1: a gag. Even though Henry legally had to announce the
Speaker 1: beginning of every hour that this is satire, these are
Speaker 1: not real people and all that, and yet people tune
Speaker 1: in when the show starts. As we say in radio,
Speaker 1: the show starts when you turn the show on. We
Speaker 1: do a four hour show at night on the radio,
Speaker 1: the Ben Mallor Show with my name on It is
Speaker 1: four hours, but a lot of people will either tune
Speaker 1: in for twenty minutes the beginning of the show, or
Speaker 1: maybe you're getting up early to get a jump on
Speaker 1: the traffic. We get to do very well. We have
Speaker 1: more people listening to the last hour of the show
Speaker 1: than the first hour of the show. Because up and
Speaker 1: down the Eastern Seaboard, in the I ninety five corridors
Speaker 1: we like to call it on all the big East
Speaker 1: Coast affiliates, people are getting up and trying to beat
Speaker 1: the traffic, and they're running out of their house and
Speaker 1: they turn on the show. And maybe they turn it
Speaker 1: on at like five twenty in the morning or five thirty,
Speaker 1: and they listened for half an hour and that's it,
Speaker 1: and that's great. So that's all they hear. They don't
Speaker 1: hear what happened three hours earlier, two hours earlier, an hour.
Speaker 1: So the show starts, you turn it on, and that's
Speaker 1: giving a disclaimer at the beginning. Legally it allows you
Speaker 1: to get out of trouble, but it does not prevent
Speaker 1: the knuckleheads from calling up and screaming and shouting and
Speaker 1: all that. So Phil became syndicated, and as it was
Speaker 1: pointed out, every affiliate that he went on, it became
Speaker 1: a nightmare. It was. It was death by a thousand affiliates,
Speaker 1: or in this case, five hundred affiliates, because every radio
Speaker 1: station Phil would go on, the same process would start
Speaker 1: over where people were a little off balanced there. They
Speaker 1: were bobbing and weaving with the show. They didn't know
Speaker 1: what was going on, and so it was endless, endless
Speaker 1: complaints and you blow, you suck, you're terrible and all that.
Speaker 1: And so there was this upsurge right in this talk zilla,
Speaker 1: this monster, this fire breathing monster from Phil Henry and
Speaker 1: his show. And so that was a problem. But here's
Speaker 1: and you'll learn this in the documentary. And again I'm
Speaker 1: probably going too far into it, but trust me, the
Speaker 1: documentary is better than me recapping the documentary on this
Speaker 1: Mallard podcast edition the fifth Hour review of the Henry Documentary.
Speaker 1: But there was one point that was the point of demarcation,
Speaker 1: i'll call it for the Phil Hendry Show. It was
Speaker 1: something that affected me and what I did and everyone
Speaker 1: in radio because we were essentially told to shut the
Speaker 1: f up, shut the f up because of a booby.
Speaker 1: That's right, a booby. If you remember Janet Jackson and
Speaker 1: Justin Timberlake at halftime of the Super Bowl, they were
Speaker 1: performing and we had the wardrobe malfunction heard around the world.
Speaker 1: Who knew that a nipple would cause corporate broadcasting to
Speaker 1: lose their minds? But that's exactly what happened, and it
Speaker 1: was it touched close to home because I know what
Speaker 1: I had to deal with at the time, and I'm
Speaker 1: a small time player, right, I'm not a big time player.
Speaker 1: I'm a small time player, especially at that time. And so, okay, fine.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of uproar, and Henry pretty much
Speaker 1: said that was the beginning of the end of his
Speaker 1: show as the boss of Premiere and one of the
Speaker 1: coolest people. I don't know anyone that's ever said anything
Speaker 1: bad about this guy. His name is Craig Kitchen. He's
Speaker 1: now an agent, but he ran the Premiere Radio Networks
Speaker 1: when I when I started, he was the guy that
Speaker 1: had one rule. I mentioned a while back on the
Speaker 1: on the show this week, I think I mentioned it
Speaker 1: that he is His one rule was no popcorn because
Speaker 1: he did not like the smell of burned popcorn. That
Speaker 1: would just said. But Craig Kitchen went to Washington, d
Speaker 1: C with a bunch of other radio muckety MUCKs and
Speaker 1: they all went to d C after Janet Jackson showed
Speaker 1: her her nipple the nip Slip, because they were worried
Speaker 1: about the FCC dragging all of their radio stations down
Speaker 1: a right, so they were like, all right, we're gonna
Speaker 1: go and we're gonna say all right, well we're not
Speaker 1: We're playing. And Phil Hendrys, as he pointed out in
Speaker 1: the documentary, like, well, this is a television thing. This
Speaker 1: is not radio. We can have and this is my line,
Speaker 1: not his line. We can show nipples all we want.
Speaker 1: Radio we were allowed to show nipple because you can't
Speaker 1: see them. It's radio. Hello, it's radio. But anyway, there
Speaker 1: was the shock jock, the over the top shock jock
Speaker 1: that was a lot of ripoffs of Howard Stern who
Speaker 1: also there was some b roll on Stern in this
Speaker 1: number of radio legends, the Greaseman from DC. There was
Speaker 1: a big radio guy in Miami that was prominently mentioned
Speaker 1: in this as well. I mean, there's some heavy hitters.
Speaker 1: If you're a radio nerd, this documentary is great. Anyway
Speaker 1: gets the point. So Phil Henry the way he really
Speaker 1: the story. This guy, Craig Kitchen, our boss, went to
Speaker 1: DC to meet with the FCC and then they had
Speaker 1: to come back and edit a bunch of stuff. And
Speaker 1: it was a big, big to do, right, big to
Speaker 1: do and all that, and they'd to bleep some things.
Speaker 1: And that really was the beginning of the end. As
Speaker 1: Phil said, he had reached the pinnacle of broadcasting and
Speaker 1: it was supposed to be fun, and it wasn't that
Speaker 1: much fun, right, because there's a lot of micromanaging that
Speaker 1: goes on when you get to that level, especially with
Speaker 1: the show like that. And and the other thing is
Speaker 1: the advertisers, you know, and my experience, often the people
Speaker 1: that have no sense of humor are advertised. They're so paranoid,
Speaker 1: they're so over the top, freaking out over one person
Speaker 1: complaining that they don't have any wiggle room for humor
Speaker 1: because they are afraid that someone might take it the
Speaker 1: wrong way. When I think, as an advertiser, if you
Speaker 1: can get people laughing and make your product part of
Speaker 1: the show, whatever show that is, you're killing it, right,
Speaker 1: You're absolutely killing it. That's great for the sponsor. It
Speaker 1: just becomes a part of the experience. Anyway, long story,
Speaker 1: short documentary which just came out, Henry, I'll give it
Speaker 1: on the Malor report card. I'll give it a solid
Speaker 1: give it in a minus, and I have a play,
Speaker 1: I'll give it a minds. But if you're you gotta
Speaker 1: be into radio. If you're not into radio, if you
Speaker 1: don't know who Phil Henry is, that's fine. But if
Speaker 1: you're into radio, that's great and audio content and all that.
Speaker 1: I guess Phil is still doing a podcast where he's
Speaker 1: just doing his characters and all that, and so anyway,
Speaker 1: check that out. It is available right now again Amazon
Speaker 1: streaming and some other places. We should try to probably
Speaker 1: get Phil on the show. Phil would do it. I
Speaker 1: think Phil would come on. I met Phil a couple
Speaker 1: of times. Typical radio guy. I'm in introvert. He seemed
Speaker 1: like an introvert. I didn't really talk to him much.
Speaker 1: It was at one of the holiday parties, the premiere
Speaker 1: holiday parties, and so I recall he was there and
Speaker 1: there were some heavy hitters, Art Bell, the Legend, Doctor
Speaker 1: Laura was a huge star at that time, Jim Rome,
Speaker 1: Matt Drudge. Mean, these are some big time players. And
Speaker 1: one of the bosses was trying to show off and
Speaker 1: he was introducing me to all these people, you know,
Speaker 1: because it was like a major flex for the boss, like, hey,
Speaker 1: look cool, I know, you know, and all this stuff
Speaker 1: and oh that's cool. I'm a radio nerd, so why not.
Speaker 1: So anyway, check that out. And before we get out
Speaker 1: of here, on this Friday edition of the Fifth Hour,
Speaker 1: time now for the phrase of the week. The phrase
Speaker 1: of the week on this one by request a important
Speaker 1: media mogul by request asking for the origin of Punch
Speaker 1: and Judy Hitter. Now, if you're unfamiliar with Punch and Judy,
Speaker 1: this is an old baseball colloquial term. As we're into
Speaker 1: the baseball term portion of the show, we did two
Speaker 1: baseball terms last weekend on the pod. So this one,
Speaker 1: Punch and Judy is actually a reference. This is very hot.
Speaker 1: This is a baseball term, but it is a reference
Speaker 1: to a huppet show from Italy in the sixteenth century
Speaker 1: that didn't really get in embraced until it went to
Speaker 1: the United Kingdom. So we're going back hundreds and hundreds
Speaker 1: of years. Who goofed, I've got to know. So Punch
Speaker 1: and Judy Hitter. Punch and Judy Hitter a famous we
Speaker 1: are told marinette performance that did begin in Italy back
Speaker 1: in the day, but became popular in the UK years later,
Speaker 1: and the popularity thought it went down because of some
Speaker 1: controversial themes, including Punch's infamous tendency to pound the heck
Speaker 1: out of his wife to beat up his wife as
Speaker 1: part of the Marinet Show. And so, a punch and
Speaker 1: judy hitter, it's a baseball term, to my knowledge, does
Speaker 1: not involve anything to do with domestic violence. A punch
Speaker 1: and judy hitter in baseball, it's kind of a slap hitter, right,
Speaker 1: banjo hitter. You're a punch and judy hitter. You're a
Speaker 1: banjo hitter. You don't have a good exit velocity. You
Speaker 1: don't have good exit velocity. Uh, and you know, hits
Speaker 1: hit the ball kind of soft, but you find ways
Speaker 1: to get the ball through the infield and past you know,
Speaker 1: past the infield and in front of the outfield and
Speaker 1: all that, and so uh, it's that's what it's a
Speaker 1: banjo hitter. And that plunk playing the punch, the puppet
Speaker 1: held the bat very awkwardly, and that led to punch
Speaker 1: and judy being a hitter, has a poor batting stance,
Speaker 1: and as a banjo hitter doesn't have good exit velocity
Speaker 1: but is able to hit. So a baseball term that
Speaker 1: goes all the way back, way before baseball, way before
Speaker 1: baseball too, Italiano in the sixteenth century, punch in, Judy, Hitter,
Speaker 1: have a wonderful rest of your of your day today,
Speaker 1: enjoy your weekend as we slide on in here. We'll
Speaker 1: have new pods all weekend long here on the fifth hour.
Speaker 1: Danny is scheduled to be with me tomorrow. He is
Speaker 1: on assignment today, but he should be back tomorrow. We'll
Speaker 1: have a fresh weekend of pods and we will catch
Speaker 1: you next time. And as Danny would say if he
Speaker 1: was here, Asta pasta got a murder. I gotta go.