WEBVTT - Thirsty Thursdays: Pump Rules REUNION Pt. 1 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:01.800 Hey rain Drops. Yes. 0:00:02.000 --> 0:00:05.200 So, as you know, my podcast Reality with the King 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:09.880 is on tour and my next stop is live in 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:14.200 New York City with the one the Only Queen of 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:20.440 New Jersey, Teresa Judais. Yes, on Tuesday, June eighteenth at 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:25.120 the City Winery, Teresa Judais and I will have a 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:29.920 live conversation in front of a live audience. Make sure 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:34.400 you get your tickets now. Log onto my website Kingdom 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:40.920 raint dot com. That's Kingdom r E I G N 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:45.360 e n T dot com. Or if you're on social 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.040 media and follow me, click on the link of my bio. 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:51.600 To purchase your tickets. 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:56.880 Once again, the website is Kingdom rainnt dot com. Hit 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:00.280 the tab that says tour and me and to Lisa 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:05.039 Judais cannot wait to see you on Tuesday, June eighteenth 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:06.360 in New York City. 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:10.520 Welcome to Reality with the King. 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:14.600 It's me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:18.399 one of the most sought after executive producers in reality 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:22.840 television with over ten years a production experience. Twice a 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:25.480 week on Reality with the King, we'll sit down with 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:29.920 my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:33.920 shows and revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:37.320 and tweeting about. 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:39.040 Hey, rain drops. 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:42.600 On today's episode of Reality with the King, I'm reunited 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:45.679 with my favorite blonde as you all know, my girl 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:49.680 from the OC. No not Tam or Judge girls. I'm 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:52.320 talking about the amazing kid kc. 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:54.640 Oh. Oh my god. 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:56.880 We have so much to talk about, and I have 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.480 to tell you I've been on I couldn't sleep last 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:00.720 night because I was so excited. 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.800 I was so excited about this episode. I'm so excited. 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:06.960 Well, let's just dive right into a girl. 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:13.880 So band the Pump Rules Part one reunion was salacious. 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:17.720 A lot of information came out, and obviously the reunions 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:22.520 started out with the conversation about the artist formly known 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:23.080 as ray. 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:26.079 Kal, which is Rachel. So you want to just dive 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.160 right into a k because I have so many questions 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:28.480 for you? 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:32.200 Yeah, Well, first I want to just establish something before 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:35.280 we move forward. We have to all acknowledge that this 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:39.760 show lives in the very strange vortex, where like, do 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:43.440 we believe any of the people are really true true friends? 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:48.520 Probably not? Will they be friends after the show, probably not? Like, 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:54.480 are they part of a social experiment. Yes, are a 0:02:54.560 --> 0:03:00.519 lot of the decisions they make wrapped around opportunities, financial opportunity, unities, 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:04.880 like opportunities connected to fame. Yes, So these are not 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:08.440 like regular people that we know in town. So we 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.079 have to look through that lens. So before people send 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:15.240 out the pitchforks, we're just watching the show. 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:16.440 We don't have favorites. 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:19.800 We're just seeing it as it is through the lens 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.480 of people that have been on a television show for 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:27.480 eleven years, who are now in the phase of how 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:31.400 do we get calibrated to life after a show that 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:33.919 we were on for many years that was probably being 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:39.680 driven off of a cliff became mainstream popular because of 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:44.760 an affair, a very relatable topic for most people in life, 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:47.960 you know, like The Housewives of Beverly Hills and air gajriority. 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:51.360 It's a complex financial legal issue, so not everybody's going 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:53.560 to get wrapped up in dissecting it. 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.960 Everybody can dissect an affair. 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.000 They've had one, they've known someone that's had an affair, 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:04.520 they felt betrayed, So there's this common thread to that 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:07.040 that I think connected people to the story and thus 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:09.000 why it became this mainstream story. 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:10.800 However, they are. 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.960 Still people that have been involved in a social experiment 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:18.479 on television. They are paid to become reality or paid 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:23.599 to be reality stars, and that job requires them to 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.040 be far more open than we need to be in 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:30.160 our daily lives. So let's just start with that. Because 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:33.280 I see people on social media who are so invested 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.000 in this show and so invested on one side or another, 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:38.560 and I always want to go, wait, Let's just remember 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.359 they are not people that we could typically relate to 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:45.000 in this scenario, because they are people on a reality 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.240 show who have been on television for eleven years, and 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:50.840 they are all very aware that this is a very 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:52.320 fleeting period of time. 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:56.479 Oh yeah, and we saw that last week in the finale, 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:58.479 which I think all of us are calling it this 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:02.880 series finale because the way it ended kind of showcased 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:05.559 that there's no place to go anymore when it comes 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.560 to this show. Like it's a rap, it's a Rentals rap, 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:10.440 it's it's it's put a fork in it. 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:11.200 It's done. 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.320 And that's why this part where reunion, I just see 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:19.360 it as sort of like the ending chapter of this novel. Right, 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:24.240 And they shot the season immediately after the scandal because look, 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.080 I think we all just wanted to see the after 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:29.240 math of it, and we did, but I think after 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:31.159 seeing it, we all realized, like we're kind of just 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:34.240 over the story because there was there was no there 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:35.159 was no movement. 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:35.919 It was. 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:39.719 It was a very stagnant season in the sense that 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:43.280 everybody was stuck in its place. And listen, if you're 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:45.760 not on television, sure you'd be stuck in that place, 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:50.000 sometimes for years. And that's the reason why, you know, Listen, 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:52.600 I've been very honest about like Arianna, like, let's try 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:56.400 to get over this. I listen, I'm going to always 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:58.880 feel like I will never understand why she had to 0:05:58.880 --> 0:05:59.520 stay in the house. 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:01.760 I won't ever get that. 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:05.200 And listen, I also will say this, I think everybody 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:07.400 got something out of it. And at the end of 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:10.520 the day, Arianna got the most out of this situation 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:14.000 in terms of the access that she was able to receive, 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:17.640 the brand deals, having your own segment on the view, 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.599 you know, and like Santamal said, like this was on 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:28.160 every major news station. Everybody benefit from this scandal, even 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:30.560 the cast who was not even a part of it, 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:34.200 you know what I mean. So I didn't think Rachel 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:36.680 should have done the Bethany Franklin interview, it did nothing 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:42.680 for her, nothing at all, And even having a podcast. 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.080 I felt like after she got. 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:48.440 The treatment she deserved and really needed at that time, 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.159 it was sort of like, let's just sort of figure 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:55.600 things out. But now she is suing Arianna and Tom, 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:57.880 so explain to me what she sooned? 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:00.839 Thefore is revenge porn? Yeah? 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.320 I think the assumption is that, I mean, without being 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:06.640 privy to the all of the you know, the paperwork, 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:09.520 one can only just go off of what's been reported 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:13.080 of the news. But apparently the moment where she saw 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:17.800 the video of her in an intimate situation on Tom's phone, 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:21.320 she allegedly may have screenshot it and then sent it 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:25.120 to someone else. However, they both say that that did 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:29.040 not happen as it has been alleged, So I don't 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:30.560 I think you're not going to really know what the 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:35.040 truth is until that those core proceedings happen. 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:40.320 It just it's very dark. I will say this. 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:44.760 I think that an element of the Ariana Tom's story. 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.280 Two things that I was mindful of watching last night 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:51.120 is that I feel like they were probably not in 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:54.679 an intimate relationship, a romantic relationship for a very long time, 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.400 but as many couples do, they kind of have this 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:02.640 like quasi partnership, the added element that they're on this 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:04.920 TV show, like we're a couple on the show, like 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:07.600 we rely on each other to some degree in order 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:11.640 to be like part of this show. I think the 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:15.480 level of betrayal that she felt was less about you 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.040 betrayed me as an intimate partner and more as you 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:20.960 betrayed me as a very close friend to. 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:21.720 Me on this show. 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:25.440 Because in normal life, our friendships it's like, you know, 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:28.320 our friendships are deep. But if you have an alliance 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.680 someone on a reality show and you feel like they 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:35.760 betray you, and that's somebody that you are living with 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:38.480 and you've been with them for eleven years, I think 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.920 that's more of the betrayal she felt. So for the 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:44.800 people that go, I mean, they weren't even like having sex. 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.360 They never made it seem like they ever had sex. 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:49.440 And then Tom Sannibal would say, well, of course I'm 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:51.400 going to be with Raquel because like I'm not getting 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:53.599 any action, it's still a betrayal. 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:55.920 He betrayed her. 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:01.160 I also felt, like I've said this for weeks, I 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:03.439 felt like the season was like a docuseriies on how 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:09.959 people handled a like post scandal. Yes, I'm show about 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:13.120 a group of friends and like how they're coping. To 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:15.839 me as a viewer, we're like, oh, we're watching how 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.240 people handle it when they think their show's about to 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:21.880 go off the air. Something happens and they get this 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:24.480 crazy amount of fame for a very short window of time. 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:28.400 So we're show we're watching them. And I thought they 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:32.120 all were filming different shows in their head. The producers 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.680 are making a whole other show that doesn't calibrate with 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:39.080 what they think the show is. Like Arianna thought the 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.600 show that season, I think was going to be about 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.840 her rise to success and all these opportunities, like well, 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:46.560 of course you're going to show me going to Chicago 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:49.600 and dancing with stars. I think that she had assumed 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:51.720 that was the footage that you guys would see, like 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:53.880 look at me, Like I was kind of on the 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:57.520 show and Tom ignored me. I think this is someone 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.240 who has put her needs on the back burner, not 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.800 in just a romantic way. I'm seeing like as a friendship, 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:06.680 Like that's even messed up as a friend, Like who 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:08.240 do that? Like if you were like, Oh, I'm going 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.000 to write this book, and then I said, you know, 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:11.400 I really should co write it with you. 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:12.839 Pete the Kate. 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.440 The show is about like the thing I love, which 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.000 is like basket weaving, and I'm like, yeah, but I 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.800 love to basket weave too, so we should do it together. 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.440 That's essentially what he did with his like cocktail book, right, 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:24.800 so I thought. 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:26.440 I guess I. 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.920 Think she thought the show was going to play back, 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:30.720 and I think that's probably why she didn't watch it, 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:32.600 because people are probably like, Oh, they're not covered. They're 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:34.240 not including any of the Dancing with the Star stuff, 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:36.000 they're not doing any of the Chicago sub She's like, 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.280 wait what. And then I think Sena thought the show 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:43.000 was I'm going to tell the story of like my postpartum. 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:43.880 Experience and how I'm. 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:48.760 Worried about having another baby, and I want people to see, like, 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:51.000 Brock is this great dad, and maybe he was saw 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:52.840 a sliver of that, but I think she was disappointed 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:54.199 because she thought that's what the show was going. 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:55.319 To be about, or at least her scenes. 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:57.440 I think Laala thought the show was going to be 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:03.720 about this fertility journey and reclaiming her power by doing 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:08.080 the fertility route on her own. I think she was disappointed. 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:10.439 I think Tom Sandoval was disappointed because he thought the 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:13.360 show was going to be about Yeah, like this happened 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:15.840 to me, but now with my newfound fame, I'm like 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:17.200 a cover band all star. 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:19.960 Like they all thought something else was. 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:23.400 Gonna air, which is so strange to me because the 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.600 show was really about this group of friends from the beginning, 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:28.920 and none of them seem to hang out at all. 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:32.160 So what is left for the cruisers to do? They 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.200 have to make a show about what happened in the 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:38.640 aftermath of the scandal, but the anchor person on it 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:41.920 is not on the show like Raquel Dion's show up, 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:43.960 who has like, yeah, o going to put all the 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:44.920 puzzle pieces together? 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.319 So what are they left with? All of these. 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:50.240 People who want to tell independent stories and their lives 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:54.320 very rarely intersect, and the only intersection story really is 0:11:54.440 --> 0:12:00.240 probably the Sandwich Shop, and that didn't happen. So I mean, 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:02.560 I feel like empathy in some way to all the 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:06.000 players because none of the cast members really feel like 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:08.360 they got out of it what they thought they. 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:09.040 Were going to get out of it. 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:13.160 And I feel bad for the film crew because they 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.559 could only do, they could only make with what they 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.520 were given totally, and then I'm sure the network was like, 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:23.000 go get Raquel. I'd go to Arizona, drive to her house. 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.160 We got to make this work. And she just maybe 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.920 that was her way of establishing her like taking back 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:32.320 her own powers, like fuck you guys. But I think 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.160 that's what we needed. 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:34.920 The show. 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:38.959 Really, this season was again like a docuseries about or 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:42.080 documentary about like what happens in the aftermath, and the 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:45.000 person at the center of this scandal is not there. 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:48.360 Yeah, which was a huge mistake because I think that's 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:51.760 the reason why everything fell stagnant, because the person who 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.680 was literally in the middle of all of this, right 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.560 is not even there to talk about her experience, giving 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:02.160 her point of view, seeing her make amends hopefully with Arianna, 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.480 if that was going to be her intention, and seeing 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:08.079 her have the conversations with Tom because even last year's 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.400 reunion where we saw them in the trailer talking and backstage, 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:14.360 and it just felt very much like they just had 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:18.160 like this plan, right, like we have a plan. We're 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:20.520 going to stick to the script and we're going to 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.080 you know, come out of this hopefully, you know, less 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:26.960 unscathed than we could have been, and then that went haywires. 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:31.120 So it is very interesting because Raquel could have easily 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:36.640 made this season different if she felt comfortable going. She 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:38.440 did not, so she didn't do it, which, you know, 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.880 respect to her for not stepping into a situation where 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:45.400 she wasn't mentally and physically ready to have these conversations, because, 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:49.560 like we said earlier, in real life, without cameras, you 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:54.880 were probably wait years to confront the person who portrayed you, 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:56.440 because it is all about portrayal. 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:59.000 By the way, I would have liked Ariana to have said, 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:01.760 I know that she just did not want to film 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:03.920 with him, It's very obvious, but if you're not going 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.440 to film with him, I wanted her to really put 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:11.680 out there, like the level of not just but betrayal, 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.760 but like what she had been going through all those years, 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.080 like she needed to go into that. Remember the Cocktail book. 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:21.120 I put my desires on the back burner. I included 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:23.240 him when I didn't want to, because he was so 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.680 persistent all the time. I had this opportunity, and he 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:30.120 convinced me that I wasn't interesting enough for TV. He 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.760 convinced me of this like I needed that in for me. 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.480 If you're not going to film with him, that would 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.360 have been really powerful too, and would have I think 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:40.120 glued the show together. 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:44.480 A little bit more, because I feel like she. 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:47.440 Was going maybe to a therapist's office and close the door, 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:50.000 and I'm like outside going wait, wait, what is that? 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:50.320 Wait? 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:50.440 What? 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:53.240 Yeah? Yeah, No, I agree with you. 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.120 I really agree with you, which is why when Tom 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:59.000 Sandoval said that this was on every news station. 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:00.840 He was happy about it. By the way, I don't 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:04.960 think he cares that he looks terrible. I think he thinks. 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.720 You know, I always say most people have like a 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:10.360 level of imposter syndrome, where you're like, I don't know 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:11.440 if I belong in this job. 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:12.480 They're going to figure me out. 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:18.000 Reality stars have celebrity syndrome, where they think all their 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:21.000 lives like, well, of course I'm a movie star, of course, 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:24.240 like where are the cameras? Like Jennifer Aiden celebrity syndrome. 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.400 Dan of All has celebrity syndrome. He doesn't care that 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.480 everybody's like you're a piece of shit. You destroy these 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.520 women's lives, Like what is wrong with you? Because he's like, well, 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:35.920 am I selling tickets to my show, Like, I'm like, 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:37.360 I don't think he cares. 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:40.320 You think he only cared when the backlash came when 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:43.360 he compared himself to George Floyd and Ode Simpson, which 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:45.160 was ridiculous. 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.600 So did you buy his statement? 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:51.080 Not only do I think it didn't occur to him. 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:54.000 How outlandish is that is to say I don't think 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:57.520 he really cared. I mean I think everything he does 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:00.320 is like, I don't know if he has empathy. He's 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:02.160 like Erica Jane a little bit like that. 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:03.640 Like remember that. 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:05.680 Scene with Erica Jane last season where she's talking to 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.200 the therapist and she's like, well, how do you have empathy? 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:12.680 I think he's like that. It doesn't occur to him 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:17.160 that he put this woman, Ariana's life on hold, like, 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.360 you know, like he kept her captive in some ways, 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:25.480 her hopes and dreams. He kept her hopes and dreams 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:29.640 captive for the duration of their relationship. He did the 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.040 same for Rakhal. He does the same to everybody. I 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:33.840 think in his life. I don't think he has such 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:37.240 much empathy. He is the star of his own show. 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:42.400 We're all supporting characters in the show that he believes 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:45.320 in his head, he doesn't really care about any of 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:48.200 the women in breaking their hearts. I think that's pretty apparent. 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:50.560 I don't think he really cares about his own friends. 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:52.200 Do you think he's just selfish? 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:52.720 Yeah? 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:55.520 I do. But you know, that's what we look for 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:57.920 in a roality star. We look for somebody who is 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:01.360 absolutely insane. He lives out out with how selfish he is. 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.600 He's showing us all the time in every scene that 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:05.680 he's ever been on the show. 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:07.800 Interesting. 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:14.200 Interesting, I'm fascinated by that because he doesn't have any 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:18.800 self awareness, and that is super obvious just based on 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:21.199 you know what I've seen this season. In addition to 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:24.000 the part when reunion he's not self aware and I 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:26.240 didn't buy his story about like what I was trying 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.199 to say this about the George Floyd on and buy it. 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.280 I think his PR team prepped him for that comment. 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:34.640 And then Laah's like, well, if you meant it that way, 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:36.399 I'm like, la La sit back, girl, I love you, 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:39.679 But I like, no, his PR team coached him. He 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.320 was prepped to say, well, you know, I was just 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:44.359 saying like these are important news and my. 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:45.240 Stuff is bullshit. 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:49.360 I agree with you, Kate, that he loves the attention. 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:54.520 He's very much a narcissist and anything that has to 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:58.600 do with his profile getting bigger and bigger and bigger. 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.879 But I will say this, you also have to somewhat 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:05.080 blame the media because I will say this much. I 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.639 will say this, it is some of the media's fault, 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:09.880 Like why is he on CNN? Why is this story 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:13.760 captivating enough to have? I was gagging because you know, 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:18.199 I love the View. I was gagging when Arianna had 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:20.680 her own segment on the View and they changed a 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:24.320 set around Kate to mimic band the Pumpreuls restaurant. 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:26.440 What did you see this? 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:27.040 No? 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.920 Okay, but by the way, does that audience watch and 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:31.600 her prumb rolls? 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:33.080 That was my point. 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:36.880 I'm like the only person who watched it, and guess what, 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:40.000 not only does the audience not watch it, the co 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.359 hosts did not watch it. Whoopy Gobert, Joy Behart Sonny 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:45.960 Hostin was like, what are we talking about? Alyssa Fair 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:48.000 Griffin was the only person was like, oh my gosh, 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:50.280 I cause she's the youngest one. 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:51.560 Obviously they were trying to. 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:55.560 Get the younger audience, but no one cared about that 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:59.679 from the audience standpoint. So again it goes back to 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:03.719 everybody benefited from the scandal. And that's the reason why 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:08.320 when Laala said, and I want thousand percent believe this, 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:12.920 when she said that James, Sheena, and Katie were living 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:14.240 in the comments. 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:18.520 Section, I believed that I do. I mean, I think 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:21.440 they all live in the comment section. I think housewives 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:27.159 live in the common section. Confirmed how they behave, or 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:31.240 interact or react on screen in accordance to what they 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:34.920 believe the audience wants. They are absolutely and remember they 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.520 ended that season of Vanner Pump and then they filmed 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:39.439 very soon after. I'm going to say, like what three 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:42.240 four weeks very soon after, so of course they're reading 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:45.359 through all the comments. I also believe the scene with 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.679 Lala saying, yeah, I did get a phone call from 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:48.960 Katie and she was bitching. 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:51.120 But I think what. 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:55.200 Laala forgets is like normal people in real life have 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:58.000 moments where they're frustrated in business, and yeah, they are 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:01.479 probably going to complain. So believed that Katie was like, 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:05.280 ooh my bad, I vented to the wrong person. But 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:08.920 also again, they're on a reality show and the production 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:13.720 is probably like, guys, this show can't all be about 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:15.640 scandabal if you guys don't want to talk about it, 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:18.240 like got to give us other stuff. And they're probably 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:21.119 frustrated that for two years they haven't been able to 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:24.200 follow this sandwich store opening, which I mean, it doesn't 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.280 sound that interesting opening a store. 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.119 My honey, a sandwich shop at that. I don't care 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:34.440 about your deli. I don't care about the baloney, the male, 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:37.159