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Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King.

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Speaker 2: It's me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and

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Speaker 2: one of the most sought after executive producers in reality

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Speaker 2: television with over ten years a production experience. Twice a

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Speaker 2: week on Reality with the King, we'll sit down with

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Speaker 2: my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality

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Speaker 2: shows and revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking

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Speaker 2: and tweeting about.

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Speaker 1: Hey, rain drops.

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Speaker 2: On today's episode of Reality with the King, I'm reunited

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Speaker 2: with my favorite blonde as you all know, my girl

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Speaker 2: from the OC. No not Tam or Judge girls. I'm

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Speaker 2: talking about the amazing kid kc.

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Speaker 3: Oh. Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: We have so much to talk about, and I have

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Speaker 4: to tell you I've been on I couldn't sleep last

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Speaker 4: night because I was so excited.

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Speaker 3: I was so excited about this episode. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's just dive right into a girl.

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Speaker 2: So band the Pump Rules Part one reunion was salacious.

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Speaker 2: A lot of information came out, and obviously the reunions

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Speaker 2: started out with the conversation about the artist formly known

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Speaker 2: as ray.

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Speaker 1: Kal, which is Rachel. So you want to just dive

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Speaker 1: right into a k because I have so many questions

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Speaker 1: for you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, first I want to just establish something before

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Speaker 4: we move forward. We have to all acknowledge that this

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Speaker 4: show lives in the very strange vortex, where like, do

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Speaker 4: we believe any of the people are really true true friends?

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Speaker 4: Probably not? Will they be friends after the show, probably not? Like,

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Speaker 4: are they part of a social experiment. Yes, are a

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Speaker 4: lot of the decisions they make wrapped around opportunities, financial opportunity, unities,

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Speaker 4: like opportunities connected to fame. Yes, So these are not

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Speaker 4: like regular people that we know in town. So we

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Speaker 4: have to look through that lens. So before people send

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Speaker 4: out the pitchforks, we're just watching the show.

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Speaker 3: We don't have favorites.

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Speaker 4: We're just seeing it as it is through the lens

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Speaker 4: of people that have been on a television show for

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Speaker 4: eleven years, who are now in the phase of how

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Speaker 4: do we get calibrated to life after a show that

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Speaker 4: we were on for many years that was probably being

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Speaker 4: driven off of a cliff became mainstream popular because of

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Speaker 4: an affair, a very relatable topic for most people in life,

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Speaker 4: you know, like The Housewives of Beverly Hills and air gajriority.

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Speaker 4: It's a complex financial legal issue, so not everybody's going

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Speaker 4: to get wrapped up in dissecting it.

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Speaker 3: Everybody can dissect an affair.

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Speaker 4: They've had one, they've known someone that's had an affair,

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Speaker 4: they felt betrayed, So there's this common thread to that

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Speaker 4: that I think connected people to the story and thus

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Speaker 4: why it became this mainstream story.

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Speaker 3: However, they are.

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Speaker 4: Still people that have been involved in a social experiment

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Speaker 4: on television. They are paid to become reality or paid

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Speaker 4: our daily lives. So let's just start with that. Because

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Speaker 4: I see people on social media who are so invested

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Speaker 4: and I always want to go, wait, Let's just remember

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Speaker 4: they are not people that we could typically relate to

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Speaker 4: they are all very aware that this is a very

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and we saw that last week in the finale,

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Speaker 2: it's it's it's put a fork in it.

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Speaker 2: And that's why this part where reunion, I just see

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Speaker 2: it as sort of like the ending chapter of this novel. Right,

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Speaker 2: And they shot the season immediately after the scandal because look,

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Speaker 2: I think we all just wanted to see the after

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Speaker 2: seeing it, we all realized, like we're kind of just

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Speaker 2: It was a very stagnant season in the sense that

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Speaker 2: sometimes for years. And that's the reason why, you know, Listen,

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Speaker 2: I've been very honest about like Arianna, like, let's try

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Speaker 2: feel like I will never understand why she had to

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Speaker 1: I won't ever get that.

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Speaker 2: And listen, I also will say this, I think everybody

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Speaker 2: the day, Arianna got the most out of this situation

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Speaker 2: in terms of the access that she was able to receive,

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Speaker 2: you know, and like Santamal said, like this was on

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Speaker 2: every major news station. Everybody benefit from this scandal, even

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Speaker 2: the cast who was not even a part of it,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I didn't think Rachel

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Speaker 2: should have done the Bethany Franklin interview, it did nothing

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Speaker 1: I felt like after she got.

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Speaker 2: The treatment she deserved and really needed at that time,

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Speaker 2: it was sort of like, let's just sort of figure

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Speaker 2: so explain to me what she sooned?

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Speaker 1: Thefore is revenge porn? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I think the assumption is that, I mean, without being

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Speaker 4: she allegedly may have screenshot it and then sent it

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Speaker 3: It just it's very dark. I will say this.

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Speaker 4: I think that an element of the Ariana Tom's story.

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Speaker 4: level of betrayal that she felt was less about you

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Speaker 3: Me on this show.

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Speaker 4: Because in normal life, our friendships it's like, you know,

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Speaker 4: that's more of the betrayal she felt. So for the

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Speaker 4: And then Tom Sannibal would say, well, of course I'm

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Speaker 4: any action, it's still a betrayal.

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Speaker 3: He betrayed her.

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Speaker 4: I also felt, like I've said this for weeks, I

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Speaker 4: people handled a like post scandal. Yes, I'm show about

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Speaker 4: So we're show we're watching them. And I thought they

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Speaker 4: The show is about like the thing I love, which

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Speaker 4: That's essentially what he did with his like cocktail book, right,

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Speaker 4: so I thought.

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Speaker 4: Think she thought the show was going to play back,

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Speaker 4: and I think that's probably why she didn't watch it,

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Speaker 4: was I'm going to tell the story of like my postpartum.

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Speaker 3: Experience and how I'm.

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Speaker 4: Worried about having another baby, and I want people to see, like,

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Speaker 3: To be about, or at least her scenes.

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Speaker 4: I think Laala thought the show was going to be

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Speaker 4: I think Tom Sandoval was disappointed because he thought the

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Speaker 3: Like they all thought something else was.

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, No, I agree with you.

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Speaker 4: He was happy about it. By the way, I don't

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Speaker 4: Reality stars have celebrity syndrome, where they think all their

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Speaker 1: So did you buy his statement?

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Speaker 4: Not only do I think it didn't occur to him.

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Speaker 4: How outlandish is that is to say I don't think

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Speaker 4: Scene with Erica Jane last season where she's talking to

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Speaker 1: Do you think he's just selfish?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Interesting.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, I'm fascinated by that because he doesn't have any

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Speaker 2: I think his PR team prepped him for that comment.

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Speaker 2: And then Laah's like, well, if you meant it that way,

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Speaker 1: Stuff is bullshit.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, Kate, that he loves the attention.

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Speaker 2: He's very much a narcissist and anything that has to

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Speaker 2: But I will say this, you also have to somewhat

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Speaker 2: will say this, it is some of the media's fault,

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Speaker 2: Like why is he on CNN? Why is this story

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Speaker 2: captivating enough to have? I was gagging because you know,

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Speaker 2: I love the View. I was gagging when Arianna had

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Speaker 2: set around Kate to mimic band the Pumpreuls restaurant.

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Speaker 1: What did you see this?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: Okay, but by the way, does that audience watch and

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Speaker 3: her prumb rolls?

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Speaker 1: That was my point.

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Speaker 2: I'm like the only person who watched it, and guess what,

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Speaker 1: Obviously they were trying to.

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Speaker 2: Get the younger audience, but no one cared about that

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Speaker 4: Section, I believed that I do. I mean, I think

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Speaker 3: But I think what.

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Speaker 4: Laala forgets is like normal people in real life have

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Speaker 4: moments where they're frustrated in business, and yeah, they are

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Speaker 4: probably going to complain. So believed that Katie was like,

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Speaker 4: is probably like, guys, this show can't all be about

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Speaker 4: scandabal if you guys don't want to talk about it,

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Speaker 4: like got to give us other stuff. And they're probably

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Speaker 4: frustrated that for two years they haven't been able to

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Speaker 4: follow this sandwich store opening, which I mean, it doesn't

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Speaker 2: My honey, a sandwich shop at that. I don't care

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Speaker 2: about your deli. I don't care about the baloney, the male,

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Speaker 2: the pickles. I don't want to see that shit. I

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Speaker 2: just don't. But what I do want to see is

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Speaker 3: Well, it's such a disconnect too.

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Speaker 4: You can tell the part of the reason it's not

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Speaker 4: opening is they really don't have these, like, really hard

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Speaker 4: to heart conversations because when Lisa vander Pump who, I

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Speaker 4: one moment where Andy asks her, well, what do you

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Speaker 4: was like, well, I mean she hasn't been around far

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Speaker 3: Looked at her like what are you talking about?

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Speaker 4: I mean you can't have a business and not have

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Speaker 3: Are you gonna be away? What's gonna happen? How much

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Speaker 3: is it?

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Speaker 4: Like all this red tape that was going on with this,

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Speaker 4: I think believed all of the people in that situation,

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Speaker 4: But that can't be the show story. You can't have

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Speaker 4: the show about a sandwich store opening.

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Speaker 3: You can't.

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Speaker 4: And you can't also have these scenes with each other

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Speaker 4: because I don't even believe they're friends at all. I

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Speaker 4: think they actually all kind of hate each other. But

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Speaker 4: I also think that's what happens when the story goes

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Speaker 4: mainstream and you have more opportunities than you've ever been

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Speaker 4: asked and people are sizing it up. I mean on

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Speaker 4: each season they're all angry about, well, that person and

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Speaker 4: got a better deal. This is like, Okay, how much

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Speaker 4: is Applebee's paying you for that? How much did you get.

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Speaker 3: From Uber eats?

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm, Like, oh, you got a razor deal, like

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Speaker 4: a like a disposable razor, Like how much is she

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Speaker 4: getting for that? And that's why I think they get

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Speaker 4: as probably a normal life who go like he's awful, Like,

442
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 4: it's more like, did you just make one point two

443
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 4: million dollars on that deal? Because there are other people

444
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 4: that they encircle themselves that are in their ear too,

445
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 4: we're forgetting about them, like if we're going to really

446
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 4: break the fourth wall, tell the whole story. They're agents,

447
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 4: they're managers, their lawyers, they're publicists. They're all telling them

448
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 4: what the other cast members are getting in terms of deals.

449
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 2: For sure, yes, And I want to explain to the

450
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 2: audience because the way it works is the moment a

451
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 2: reality star pops, it's like these vultures of people start

452
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 2: to swarm them like bees to a honey, and they

453
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 2: want to represent them and they because they want to

454
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 2: be able to like milk every opportunity that comes their way.

455
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: Some of them have good attentions, a lot of them

456
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 2: do not. And Kate is saying exactly what happens, which

457
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 2: is these vultures will find out what other people are

458
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 2: making and they be in your ear. You're the star

459
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 2: of the show. You should be having this. You don't

460
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 2: don't address that. I cannot tell you how many times

461
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 2: Kate my career, I've had to deal with these people,

462
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 2: not all some of them who would tell my reality

463
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 2: stars Kate, don't bring that up, don't talk about that,

464
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: don't film with her, don't We don't want to make

465
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 2: you the villain this season.

466
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 1: We need to get And it's sort of.

467
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 2: Like, motherfucker, the only reason you're talking to this reality

468
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 2: start in the first place is because more than using

469
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 2: the show, and because they were probably you know, the

470
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 2: force multiplier or the villain, but they popped.

471
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: You're not talking to and this is no shade. This

472
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: is no shade.

473
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: You're not talking to Joyce from Beverly Hills Housewives, you

474
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like you're talking to Lisa, Renna,

475
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 2: You're you're talking to Erica Jane. You're not talking to Crystal,

476
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like you're talking to the

477
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: people who bring something, and.

478
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 4: Those people don't even understand the vortex either. Oh baby,

479
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 4: It's like they also represent like somebody who well I

480
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 4: don't know that like was in a circus.

481
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 3: I don't know.

482
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 4: It's like, what the hell do you know about this?

483
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 4: This ecosystem next to nothing? And then they're in their

484
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 4: ear telling them things.

485
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: Yes, and and and that's the reason why.

486
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 2: So Arianna has a lot of fans and high fans

487
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 2: who are listening, we love you. A lot of the

488
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 2: fans have been mad at me because I'm like, Arianna,

489
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 2: get over everywhere, over D D D D and listen. Yes,

490
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 2: but I've always I've always said this rain drops that

491
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 2: what she went through was horrific. What I was saying

492
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: about Arianna is, look, you sign on to do the

493
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 2: season again, no one forced you. One thing will get rachel.

494
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 2: She said, I'm out, And I respect that.

495
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: Do I like it?

496
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 2: No, because I want to see the conversation, but I

497
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: respect it. When you sign on to do the show,

498
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 2: that means you're signing on to have these uncomfortable conversations

499
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 2: where you know, three weeks after the reunion you're filming again,

500
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: so you know what needs.

501
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 3: To happen, and you're contractually obligated.

502
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's at the end of the day, it's a job,

503
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: and I think people are forgetting that.

504
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: Yes, it is your real life, but it's also a job.

505
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: So it's it's.

506
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 2: Really saying to us, like, well, when Teresa got sentenced

507
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 2: to jail, we are going to respect the fact that

508
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 2: she doesn't want to.

509
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: Talk to Joe.

510
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 2: Judaices, huh, like, we want to, we want to see

511
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 2: everything we if you sign on to do something. So

512
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 2: with Ariana's like, this guy is living in your house.

513
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 2: Clearly you're comfortable being around him. Stop me when I'm wrong.

514
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,959
Speaker 2: If you are okay with cohabitating in the house with

515
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: this motherfucker, then to me, that means you're comfortable of

516
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 2: being around him in some space. What I'm saying is

517
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 2: she is the example to me, allegedly of a person

518
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 2: who was advised by the team to not talk about it.

519
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: Don't address it. You're bigger than him, don't give him

520
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 2: a storyline. We want him off the show anyway, this

521
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: is this is your show. Now let's focus on like

522
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 2: your business and your coffee and your sandwiches, and you're

523
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 2: dancing and all this other stuff. So now, that and that,

524
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: that guy is the reason why to me, she gave

525
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: us nothing because she was advised improperly.

526
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I said, I would have really enjoyed hearing

527
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 4: more about how he had held her hopes and dreams captive.

528
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 4: I think that would have been really, very, very helpful

529
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,239
Speaker 4: for other people that watch the show too, who I

530
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 4: think a lot of people felt seen in her storyline

531
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 4: like they were with somebody who betrayed them but also

532
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 4: disallowed them from moving forward in their life.

533
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 3: Like she said something interesting too.

534
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 4: I don't know if it was an interview orf her

535
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 4: it was on the show, but something about how freezing

536
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 4: her eggs, like he made her seem like she didn't

537
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 4: want a family, but she did go ahead and freeze

538
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 4: her eggs.

539
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 3: And I was like, Oh, that's interesting, Like why.

540
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 1: Don't they talk about that bingo.

541
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 4: Because yeah, I feel like he and I remember I

542
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 4: interviewed him many years ago, and I feel like that

543
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 4: was the vibe that he was giving, like she's totally

544
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 4: disinterested in having a family, so like what am I

545
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 4: supposed to do?

546
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 3: That must have been infuriating.

547
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 4: So that's the kind of stuff I would have, So

548
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 4: she doesn't necessarily have to film with him or have

549
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 4: this like big like Jets versus Shark's West Side story

550
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 4: moment at the end where she's like, you know what,

551
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 4: you can shove it up, you know whatever, but you

552
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 4: could still like give some context of like this is

553
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 4: why it's so important for me to move forward. This

554
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 4: is I was so over him by this point in

555
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 4: terms of like an emotional and physical connection. The minute

556
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 4: I met this guy Dan and he gave me just

557
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 4: a quarter of like what Tom gave me, I was

558
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 4: so eager to explore it because I've been devoid of

559
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 4: any connection emotionally or physically for so long, and I'm

560
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 4: not willing to do that anymore. If anything about this

561
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 4: scandal coming out is that now I know the love

562
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 4: and support I have of people, but I also found

563
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 4: a part of myself that had died inside over the

564
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 4: course of like eight.

565
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 3: Or whatever they were.

566
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 4: I think that like I would have had more of

567
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 4: that element, like because people are ripping on her on

568
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 4: the show too, like, oh you met this guy and

569
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 4: there it's like eight days or they met at a wedding.

570
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, it doesn't really matter, because when you're really

571
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 4: over someone, when you meet somebody that like actually gives

572
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 4: you just a little bit of something, you're like, oh,

573
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 4: I'm going all in right.

574
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: And that's the reason why I felt disconnected in that relationship,

575
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: because to me, it was one of those things where

576
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, talk us through this, do you know what

577
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: I mean? Like, I mean, listen, did you see any chemistry.

578
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: I just thought, I mean, honey rebound Dennis Rodman on

579
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 2: the court playing the.

580
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: Laker like it was. It just gave rebound to me,

581
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: and it gave sort of.

582
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,959
Speaker 4: Like there wasn't it something like years ago where he

583
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 4: had said, well, we're a brand. Oh the previous season

584
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 4: when they were having problems, he said, well, some one

585
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 4: of them said, well, we stayed together because of the brand.

586
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,479
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying again, as I said in the beginning,

587
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 4: like it's hard for us to understand a lot of

588
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 4: this because we're not a couple on a reality show.

589
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: Mm hm.

590
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 4: So I think people kind of lose their marbles sometimes,

591
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 4: like we're a brand. Like to me, they were not

592
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 4: this captivating couple together like at all, Like no, like

593
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 4: a power couple or anything.

594
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: They were no Kyle and Mauricio. They were you know,

595
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: they were not the couple that you sort of like

596
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: looked at like, oh my god, they're so good looking,

597
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: they're so great And we.

598
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 4: Just remember he paid for James's whole engagement thing for Raquel.

599
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 3: Remember that.

600
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, what strong couple is, Like, let's

601
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 4: pay for someone else's engagement party.

602
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: I know and think you love it how they blamed

603
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: James or bring her by keel to the forefront of

604
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: the first place.

605
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, but by the way, let's go back to whether

606
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 4: or not she was complicit or not, like she targeted

607
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 4: James to get on the show.

608
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 3: Like, let's not forget that she wanted to be on

609
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 3: the show.

610
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: She was like super fan interesting and James ooh.

611
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 4: I think she was a pageant girl who was like

612
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 4: ending the pageant circuit and she's like, I want to

613
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 4: be on TV. And I think it's pretty alarning to

614
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 4: be the idea of being on a show like vander

615
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 4: Pump Rules, where this escalator to social media success. You're

616
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 4: all of a sudden on this show. I never really

617
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 4: saw Keemi between James and Raquel either or Rachel or whatever.

618
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,239
Speaker 3: I'm like, is she just phoning this in just so

619
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 3: she could stay on the show. I just don't like.

620
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 4: Again, all of them are sort of like odd to me,

621
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 4: Like I'm always trying to figure them out, as we

622
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 4: all do. Let's be honest, we watched the show for entertainment,

623
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 4: but also, I say, smart people watch shows like this

624
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 4: because it's a study of human behavior. So we're studying

625
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 4: and we're cross referencing previous things. We're just trying to

626
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 4: figure out someone's personality profile, and we keep getting more

627
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 4: evidence and we're just trying to put it all together.

628
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 4: And when I look at Rachel Slush Raquel that the

629
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 4: name is odd too, her name's Rachel, but she she

630
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 4: like was creating this personality for TV. But she absolutely did.

631
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 4: I mean, and I think that it seems like James

632
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 4: may have done the same thing to date Kristen to

633
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 4: get on the show too. So, like Allegrino said something

634
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 4: like on Twitter, it was so funny and so true.

635
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 3: He was like, just remember guys like it.

636
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 4: I'm phrasing it wrong, but like they all are horrible,

637
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 4: Like they all made shitty mistakes. Like let's not forget that.

638
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 4: Like as soon as we're all clear with that, then

639
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 4: we can move forward. Like no one's hands are clean

640
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 4: in this business at all.

641
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: Yes, And that's the reason why listen once again, I'll

642
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: say this over and over again. Was Sandoval day was horrible.

643
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: But when you look at the order of advanced when

644
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: it comes to each cast member on this Shelsa's Day one,

645
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: they've all done.

646
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: Some shady shit to each other. Yeah, they've all done it.

647
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 4: That's why, Okay, I'm gonna have a hot take too.

648
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 4: I think people are surprised that the Valley is doing

649
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 4: so well because the idea of the Vanner Pump people

650
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 4: having children.

651
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 3: They're like, well, that would never work.

652
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 4: The Valley works because they're new people and we met

653
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 4: them at an age where they just got married and

654
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 4: they're having a family. I don't think people can accept

655
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 4: vander Pump people becoming parents because we met them when

656
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 4: they were at like twenty six and they made horrible decisions.

657
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 4: Like we accept Stossy as a mom because she went

658
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 4: off the show and she started to build a life

659
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 4: away from cameras. Yes, they've been on film this whole time,

660
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 4: but we can't forget a lot of the cast members too,

661
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 4: is we all are studying human behaviors. The tricky thing

662
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 4: with this show is a lot of people can't let

663
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 4: go of certain things that happened before. So I think

664
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 4: the cast get frustrated because they're like, well, this.

665
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 3: Is who I am. Can't you accept how I am

666
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 3: right now?

667
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 4: But the problem with being a reality show is like

668
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 4: people don't forget, you know, they can't forget where maybe

669
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 4: you shame somebody because they didn't have good enough tits

670
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 4: to get on a private jet. Like they can't. They

671
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 4: have a hard time letting go of it. That's the

672
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 4: plight of the cast member. It's no different than housewives either,

673
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 4: Like you know, like the Bachelor, you're only on for

674
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 4: one season, so they kind of like say something stupid

675
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 4: and three weeks later you're kicked off the show and

676
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 4: we don't see you again for years and years to come.

677
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 4: But if you're consistently on a show for years and

678
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 4: years and years, people don't forget what happened seasons before.

679
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 3: They just don't.

680
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 4: Like, I think it was very hard for people to

681
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 4: come around to Brock. I still think people are trying

682
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 4: to like still come around a Brock because they remember

683
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 4: who he was when Katie and all the others kind

684
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 4: of highlighted that he had this strange relationship with children,

685
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 4: and now he's like, but look, I'm a great dad

686
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 4: to my child. I'm like, yeah, but you're also on

687
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 4: a reality show where this information came out and the

688
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 4: audience doesn't get over it, you know. I feel like

689
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 4: reality stars they try to like get over things quickly

690
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 4: for the sake of TV. It's like this expedited, expedited process.

691
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 3: It's not for the audience. If we don't, they don't forget.

692
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: So when it comes to Brock, do you believe that

693
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: his intentions was pure in terms of like trying to

694
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: have a relationship with his kids all of a sudden.

695
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 3: I would assume.

696
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 4: So, I mean, he seems sincere. But then, you know,

697
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 4: the audience has comprised a lot of it of women

698
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 4: who may have had like the father of their child

699
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 4: not show up financially and physically, and maybe they're like,

700
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 4: I can't get past this because I mean, at least

701
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 4: Lalla acknowledged that. I think in the reunion she was like,

702
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 4: I am very bad at projecting, you know, like we

703
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 4: all project in our own ways. But yeah, I mean,

704
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 4: he seems like a lovely person. But I'm just telling you,

705
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,959
Speaker 4: like a lot of women who've gone through some shit

706
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 4: with like bothers of their children are not like, oh,

707
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 4: you know what, he does seem great. Like they people

708
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 4: have a hard time getting past stuff, and they're not

709
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 4: going to get past Town Sandoval anytime soon.

710
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 2: No, not at all, not at all. Do you think

711
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: Lala and Katie can get so because I think they're.

712
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 4: Too similar that they go below the belt. You attack them,

713
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 4: they will rip.

714
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 3: Your eyeballs out, oh for sure.

715
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 4: And I don't know if friends can coexist when they're

716
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 4: when they both have that archetype.

717
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, because one person needs to be the more yeah, mature,

718
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: balanced one to offset the one who's a little bit

719
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: more of the activator.

720
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

721
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 4: Like in my house, you know, when my kids get obnoxious,

722
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 4: one of us has to go hard and like discipline them,

723
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 4: and then the other one has to be soft for friendship,

724
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 4: and especially on a reality show, like you cannot have

725
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 4: two alphas that will like eviscerate anyone who comes their

726
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 4: way co exists into friendship.

727
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 3: I just don't think that's possible.

728
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: No.

729
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 4: I also think that like those people like the Audience

730
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 4: where she's like, I can't get past that this happened

731
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 4: when I first met you, I think she is one

732
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 4: of those people. She's clocked, she's taking inventory of all

733
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 4: the information at all time. And I don't think she's

734
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 4: someone that lets things go. You know, like when I

735
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 4: was a kid and my mom, like i'd have a

736
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 4: fight with a friend. My mom would never like let

737
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 4: it go with my friend. No, she'd remind me of

738
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 4: it she'd be like, remember that asshole, Kelly Thompson, you know,

739
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 4: remember she did that? You know, and it's like, oh, sorry,

740
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 4: Kelly Thompson, I love it, but you know, like and

741
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 4: I'd be like, Mom, that was like three weeks ago,

742
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 4: and she's like, I don't forget that's who Katie is.

743
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, which which is good.

744
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 4: Because if you're going to tell the story of like friendships,

745
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 4: like they all have different archetypes, but if you have

746
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 4: two of those people, I don't think either of them

747
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 4: will ever want to feel vulnerable in front of the other,

748
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 4: if that makes sense, because you don't know how that

749
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 4: information is going to be used against you at a

750
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 4: later date. They play, you know it is they play

751
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 4: the same game of monopoly they do.

752
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: No, I agree with you, I really do, which is

753
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,479
Speaker 2: why to your point, as we sort of conclude part

754
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: one and we have two more parts to go, well.

755
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 4: Too, I'm assuming is just sort of like fluff, right,

756
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 4: Like it keeps kind of excited.

757
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 3: We're really jonesing for.

758
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 4: What does that May twenty whatever? Yeah, well that's the

759
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 4: one what I'm most looking forward to. I feel like

760
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 4: Andy Cohen has been so funny when it comes to

761
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 4: Vanner pump stuff. I feel like he's almost trolling them

762
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 4: in this reunion in a very subtle, funny way. But

763
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 4: the idea that it's going to be the end of

764
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 4: the reunion, and they saved the last part of footage

765
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 4: for them all to witness, but what we saw at

766
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 4: the end, which is like showing them as they were

767
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 4: when they first joined the show and now so they

768
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 4: can collectively have a joint response to oh God, it's

769
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 4: the end of the road, like boys to men Hewitt

770
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 4: like it's the end of the road friends.

771
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 3: And I think that is going to.

772
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 4: Be really good TV where you're like or they're like,

773
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 4: oh god, because they're inevitably going to run through the

774
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 4: whole season. Oh my god, is it the end? Maybe

775
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 4: I should have done this, Maybe I should have done that.

776
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 3: I think some of them are.

777
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 4: Gonna go, yeah, shitheads, this is what we've been trying

778
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 4: to tell you.

779
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 3: You got a film together. We don't want to show anymore.

780
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 3: We're not going to have income.

781
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: You know why.

782
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 2: You're so right and you're so smart as always to

783
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: start the reunion by letting them know like, oh, by

784
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: the way, we haven't seen the final episode, and I

785
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: was like, well, that's weird because as so the audience knows.

786
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 2: As a producer, you get to bench watch the entire

787
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: season two days prior to the reunion to get caught

788
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: up on everything. So the fact that they would have

789
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: held the finale, Kate, is so smart in the sense of, yes,

790
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 2: they're going to show them that whole like montage of

791
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 2: like where they were and pretty much like you said,

792
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: the boys to Men's Song the end of the Road.

793
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 2: And that's the reason why, Kate, did you know this

794
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: becast removed pump rules from their bio.

795
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 3: Well, they should have, because I think it's end.

796
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 4: But you know, I said, I don't remember this, but

797
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 4: I said after skin of All when they started filming,

798
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 4: I know this last season.

799
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 3: It's the end of it.

800
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 4: And I've had so many people that when you're out

801
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 4: of your mind the ratings are too high, I'm like,

802
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 4: this is it. There's not much more to tell after this.

803
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 4: It's done, and I think they're doing a wise thing

804
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 4: by ending the show. By the way, I would like

805
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 4: to say too, they should. We should give them some

806
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 4: accolades because it is, as you know, pretty unheard of.

807
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 4: It's like eleven seasons of a show or something. Yeah,

808
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 4: that is a long time, and that's a that's very successful,

809
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 4: So they shouldn't feel so bad about it ending because

810
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 4: that's a long time to be on TV.

811
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: No.

812
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. So do you think some people will

813
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: go to the Valley?

814
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I really like the Valley as

815
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 4: it is. I like the idea of people that were,

816
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 4: as I've always said, plucked from obscurity to some degree.

817
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 4: We didn't really know any of them, and they had

818
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 4: the joint experience of doing the show together. And I

819
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 4: think if you add people that are seasoned reality people,

820
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 4: it changes the dynamic. There's a bond that exists when

821
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 4: you know Gina and Emily on Orange County. I'm sure

822
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 4: they have a bond because they joined the same season, right,

823
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 4: you have a whole cast that joins the show at

824
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 4: the same time, and they were not really famous before.

825
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 4: I don't think they should change that algorithm you throw

826
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 4: in like Shena or Lala. I feel like it wouldn't

827
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 4: Then they may be they may suck some of the

828
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 4: air out of the room because they're bigger personalities. I

829
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 4: like that they're just a group of friends who are

830
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 4: just trying to keep their heads above water raising very

831
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 4: small children.

832
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 1: Would you like to see a whole new crop of cast?

833
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 4: No, just get rid of the show. It was good,

834
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 4: it was eleven years. Like, put it to bed, let's

835
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 4: do something new. I feel like in the last couple

836
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 4: of years, because of COVID and the strikes, that networks

837
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 4: are apt to just bring in old inventory, old ip

838
00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 4: reinvent things. And I think it's like a risk averse move,

839
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 4: you know, like they don't want to invest in something new.

840
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 4: But I think the audience is so hungry for new

841
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 4: people and new stories. There have probably been superb pitches

842
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 4: sent their way. I know I have sent some, and

843
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 4: I think that like people are really excited about telling new,

844
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 4: modern stories.

845
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's true.

846
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: And like you said, the industry is filled with just

847
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 2: rebooting known ips. So for the audience, that's intellectual property.

848
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: Is the reason why you're seeing all of these like remakes,

849
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 2: like even from movies to reality shows, like it was

850
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: just announced that Paris and The Call are going to

851
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 2: reboot The Simple Life because people nowadays they want what

852
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 2: they're used to.

853
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, people watch old episodes at the office and the

854
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 4: old episodes of Friends.

855
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 3: They want that.

856
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and suits yeah, it's is.

857
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 3: Super super popular right now.

858
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: Okaate, Well, look girl, as always, you dropped plenty of

859
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: gems for the audience, and I can't wait to see

860
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 2: what's going to happen with this show, because I think

861
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 2: you're onto something.

862
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: Once the cast sees.

863
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: That montage of the finale is going to make sense

864
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: why Pump Rules was removed from the bio before part

865
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 2: one reunion even aired, because obviously they know what happened, so.

866
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 4: You know it's gonna be a really good interview, and

867
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 4: like three years from now, circling back to all of them,

868
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 4: they go, Okay, what did you really think that last season?

869
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 4: I suspect Laala was going to say I felt tremendous

870
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 4: pressure to keep the.

871
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 3: Show alive, and I felt like she did.

872
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 4: I was doing the work to try to keep the

873
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 4: show alive and I was completely disrespected for it.

874
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 3: I think Sena is going to say something similar.

875
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 4: I think Arianna's going to go I had already, like

876
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 4: I said on my show before she reminded me the

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Speaker 4: season of someone who is already packing up her stuff

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Speaker 4: in the office because she's got a new office at

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Speaker 4: another Company's not she wasn't really present because She's like,

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Speaker 4: I'm so moved on from here. I don't belong here.

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Speaker 4: This isn't me anymore. I've outgrown this it. It'll be

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Speaker 4: interesting to hear, like a couple of years from now,

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Speaker 4: like how she really felt. And I feel like Schwartz

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Speaker 4: is just gonna be like, oh, I don't know. I

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Speaker 4: was just like showing up to work, you know what

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Speaker 4: I mean. But and then of course the producers like

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Speaker 4: what was really happening?

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Speaker 3: I want to know that, don't you?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? I want like a Brady Bunch, where are they now?

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Speaker 2: I think every years like yeah, yeah, and sort of

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Speaker 2: like recapping the moment and the history of the show,

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Speaker 2: and like did you know was the end?

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Speaker 1: And I could not agree with you more.

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Speaker 2: I think Laala did everything in her pinky finger to

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Speaker 2: save the show.

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